Will if this does not take the cake (cookie)

[SavageSun4x4]

City of Scottsdale is looking for some folks that were in Vietnam for a project that have. So I contact them and we had a meeting at the Mustang library yesterday eve.

Our meeting is over at about 7pm and we come out, but there is another meeting starting up in the room next to us. They have some displays and papers on a table as I come out. So I stop to see what its all about. Well this is a heck of a note to have a meeting next of us of "Democrats Against the War" going on.:D

I am reading some of their hate and lie filled papers, peace symbol buttons and stuff and its like I am having flash backs. JEEEEZ, what is this crap.

So my eyeballs are looking around and they have a box of nice high-end Macadamia nut chocolate chip cookies sitting next to a cooler of water bottles.

Its 7pm, I haven't eaten and those look like some good cookies. I eat one and WOW, tasty!! So tasty I eat another, then I think, screw'um I'll take the whole dang box...so I do. Wife and I enjoyed them immensely.:D

Now I know some of you will be offended that I took thier cookies. Guess that is just too dang bad. MAYBE if they had offered me some cookies as I deplaned in SEATAC airport that cold rainy day in '68 instead of calling me names and spitting on me:confused: :eek: , maybe I would have just ate some and moved on. But they did not and in that flashback so vivid it was like it happened yesterday I decided to take their cookies. I enjoyed it and feel good about it.:cool:

So I will just consider this a bit of a payback...39 years later;) how sweet it is:D

So if you were there last nite and you didn't get a cookie, you know why:D

[corwyyn]

Nice one Don :D

Of course, you could have added some 'extra flavoring' and given them back, but they might not have noticed :p

[shannonmac]

I'm gonna go ahead and guess that those weren't the "democrats" doing this.
No I wasn't alive during that time, however, seeing as my father-in-law is a Marine Vietnam Vet with a well-earned purple heart (still gets stopped at airport security every time he flies for the metal still in him) and a life-long democrat, we can't all be that bad...

[amber.hodge]

I almost fell out of my chair! ROTFLMAO!!!!! I would have taken their cookies too in your position. Or, with my big mouth, I would have walked into the meeting and made some sort of "If you haven't been there, shut your g.d. mouth" quip....but that is just me.

On the Vietnam war vet thing - do they need any more? I actually work with a couple that were in the war and are still in the Guard (they have more time in service than my son AND I have on earth)....I could put out the word. Let me know.

[SavageSun4x4]

I'm gonna go ahead and guess that those weren't the "democrats" doing this.
No I wasn't alive during that time, however, seeing as my father-in-law is a Marine Vietnam Vet with a well-earned purple heart (still gets stopped at airport security every time he flies for the metal still in him) and a life-long democrat, we can't all be that bad...
You bring up a legit point and whether or not it was "Democrats Against the War" in '68 or not I do not know, I do know it "Democrats Against the War" last night:D But what has happened over the years has been a shifting or sliding of the Democrat party to the left. Most likely in '68 it was just "People" Against the War, Today its "Democrats Against the War".:eek:

I believe in the very old saying: "a wolf in sheep's clothing" applies. The Democrat Party is laced with with the extreme left wing-communist-socialist wolves in sheep's clothing...sadly:(

I am from Texas and come from a Texas Democrat family and still consider myself a Texas Democrat. But, Texas has never been known for being a liberal state by any measure. Hence the term, Texas Democrat.;)

[amber.hodge]

I'm gonna go ahead and guess that those weren't the "democrats" doing this.
No I wasn't alive during that time, however, seeing as my father-in-law is a Marine Vietnam Vet with a well-earned purple heart (still gets stopped at airport security every time he flies for the metal still in him) and a life-long democrat, we can't all be that bad...

No, you aren't. One of my best friends - skip - is a democrat and he is in Afghanistan by choice right now. My best friend is a democrat and we could not be farther apart on our beliefs - but she is proud of what I do and thanks me all the time for what I do. I think that it is possible to be a democrat and be pro-military. As far as the anti war protestors and the Cindy Shehan types - I don't agree with them. If I had a problem going to war, I wouldn't have enlisted - I'm sure you will hear that from 99% of troops. Therefore, don't presumatively think we are being mistreated or this is bad and we must be saved. We proudly do what we do, and ironically, it is because we go to war that those people have the right to do the dumb things they do...We go to war and serve to protect their right to do things that offend us. :)

[shannonmac]

well i don't agree with this war, but this is my choice...and i come from a family with active military, none of us agree with it...
it's our choice not to
do i support the troops... ABSOLUTELY without a doubt
i support my family, i support my friends that are over there, i however do not support our reasons for being over there, i understand this is a hot topic, and i respect others views, in the same way i would like (but not expect...) people to respect mine


now Don gimme my cookies back :D

[amber.hodge]

well i don't agree with this war, but this is my choice...and i come from a family with active military, none of us agree with it...
it's our choice not to
do i support the troops... ABSOLUTELY without a doubt
i support my family, i support my friends that are over there, i however do not support our reasons for being over there, i understand this is a hot topic, and i respect others views, in the same way i would like (but not expect...) people to respect mine


now Don gimme my cookies back :D

LOL!! I might want to clarify. I do not state whether or not I agree with the war. I have mixed feelings, but that doesn't matter. If my boss (Mr. Bush) says we need to go to war, then we must need to go to war. Being in the military you give up certain freedoms - specifically the freedom of some public opinion and speech. (its in army regulation - I could cite it but I don't feel like going to USAPPA right now) At any rate, I'm not going to get in an anti/pro war debate. I will debate with anyone who does not support this country, this country's military, this country's military members, etc. (Dixie Chicks are on my list of least liked people) Best friend hates the war, but supports me. That is important - that the public does not start blaming the troops who merely follow orders as they did in Vietnam. The public's response only made the PTSD worse for those who suffered from it and the re-integration into society worse for those who didn't.


SUN - are you on the DOW Chemicals lawsuit list or were you spared the "agent orange" defolient effects?

[06GrnRubi]

Wish I was there so we could have carried out the water also.

[amber.hodge]

LOL! Or you could have just used it to fill water balloons and set up a strategic ambush outside of their door.... ha ha

[SavageSun4x4]

IRAQ: I will only briefly touch on this but as a Vietnam veteran and a career military soldier I have many many thoughts on the war. Few if any of my inner thoughts about the war have I ever mentioned here or in any post.

What I will say is that the war causes me a lot of angst, far more than you can conceive. That is all I will say on a personal level.

[amber.hodge]

IRAQ: I will only briefly touch on this but as a Vietnam veteran and a career military soldier I have many many thoughts on the war. Few if any of my inner thoughts about the war have I ever mentioned here or in any post.

What I will say is that the war causes me a lot of angst, far more than you can conceive. That is all I will say on a personal level.

i feel the same way as you do - well, as far as having a lot of thoughts on the war and that I really don't share them publicly. I share that over dinner with my husband - I don't feel that any thoughts I have on it (pro or anti) would be appropriate for me to share publicly as a soldier. I can say I do what the president tells me to do without question - 51% or more of the nation decided he was trustworthy enough to make these decisions and I follow them.

[Hunter]

LOL Don, that is a good one. I will have to tell my Dad that story. He will get a kick out of it.

[TRobertsRN]

What is it that Scottsdale is interested in?

I ask because my father is a Retired Marine. Was a drill Sergent here and was a Tank Company Commander in Vietnam.

Teaches Vietnam history with his own photo's.

Thanks,

Tom

[Kiwi]

cookies, welfare, food stamps, what ever it takes to get a vote, I guess!!

PS, tell them now that you've had one box of cookies, you're 'entitled' to a box of cookies per week for life!!

[FlexyXJ]

City of Scottsdale is looking for some folks that were in Vietnam for a project that have. So I contact them and we had a meeting at the Mustang library yesterday eve.

Our meeting is over at about 7pm and we come out, but there is another meeting starting up in the room next to us. They have some displays and papers on a table as I come out. So I stop to see what its all about. Well this is a heck of a note to have a meeting next of us of "Democrats Against the War" going on.:D

I am reading some of their hate and lie filled papers, peace symbol buttons and stuff and its like I am having flash backs. JEEEEZ, what is this crap.

So my eyeballs are looking around and they have a box of nice high-end Macadamia nut chocolate chip cookies sitting next to a cooler of water bottles.

Its 7pm, I haven't eaten and those look like some good cookies. I eat one and WOW, tasty!! So tasty I eat another, then I think, screw'um I'll take the whole dang box...so I do. Wife and I enjoyed them immensely.:D

Now I know some of you will be offended that I took thier cookies. Guess that is just too dang bad. MAYBE if they had offered me some cookies as I deplaned in SEATAC airport that cold rainy day in '68 instead of calling me names and spitting on me:confused: :eek: , maybe I would have just ate some and moved on. But they did not and in that flashback so vivid it was like it happened yesterday I decided to take their cookies. I enjoyed it and feel good about it.:cool:

So I will just consider this a bit of a payback...39 years later;) how sweet it is:D

So if you were there last nite and you didn't get a cookie, you know why:D





So what makes it right for you to take their cookies, but when someone finds some cans of Chef-boy-r-dee in the street and they take them, there is a bunch of rednecks runnin around looking to hang people???? Rationalize it anyway you want Don, You are just as much of a THIEF as the guy who took your ravioli.


Joe

[SHNIPE]

So I will just consider this a bit of a payback...39 years later how sweet it is

Don youre my hero :D Good isht... wheres my cookie???

[jeeper05]

So what makes it right for you to take their cookies, but when someone finds some cans of Chef-boy-r-dee in the street and they take them, there is a bunch of rednecks runnin around looking to hang people???? Rationalize it anyway you want Don, You are just as much of a THIEF as the guy who took your ravioli.


Joe

Callin it like ya see it huh Joe and I tend to agree

[amber.hodge]

Callin it like ya see it huh Joe and I tend to agree

Yeah, but the guy in the S10 truck was not taking them as a small, yet funny and strategic statement about Don's politics....He was just a jerk......
Don was a jerk with a cause, and had I been there I would have helped the cause

[SavageSun4x4]

So what makes it right for you to take their cookies, but when someone finds some cans of Chef-boy-r-dee in the street and they take them, there is a bunch of rednecks runnin around looking to hang people???? Rationalize it anyway you want Don, You are just as much of a THIEF as the guy who took your ravioli.


Joe

First of all, I never said I was not a THIEF, in fact I was:D and I enjoyed it and the cookies along with it;)

As for the guy who "finds" some cans of ravioli in the street...sorry Joe, he didn't find nothing, he was directly behind me and saw it fall out.

A "bunch of rednecks runnin around looking to hang people????" Not me, nor anyone else here. Heck, I did not even chase the guy, wife and I thought it funny and figured if he wanted it that bad, he could have it. No big deal here.

"So what makes it right for you to take their cookies...?" Well Joe I told you why, but you did not understand and I could even explain some more, but you would not understand. Thief, Joe, THIEF, what was stolen from the 20 year kids coming off the planes that cold rainy day was something they can not and will not ever pay back to me and nearly a million others soldiers. Who is the thief Joe???

So if you think I was such a thief print out my post, run down the VA hospital and ask some of the guys down there that stepped off that plane with me. Many to this day they are battling the demons that opened arms, a cup of coffee and maybe a COOKIE would have told them they were not the bad guys in the war.;)

Fact is I don't have to rationalize nothing Joe, not to you or anyone 'cept my wife, the IRS and my maker:D

Its a war thing Joe, you wouldn't understand;)

Joe, you calling ME a thief, now that is FUNNY...especially coming from you:D

[FlexyXJ]

:D Like I said Don, Rationalize it anyway that makes you feel good. Bottom line is the same thing. They stole your ravioli, you stole the cookies. The bad thing is YOUR PROUD OF IT. I doubt they went and told all of thier friends "hey dude, check out these cans of ravioli we stole" :D I have the UTMOST respect for anyone who fought (or is fighting) for our country but it still does not give you the right to steal. :rolleyes:


Joe

[SavageSun4x4]

:D Like I said Don, Rationalize it anyway that makes you feel good. Bottom line is the same thing. They stole your ravioli, you stole the cookies. The bad thing is YOUR PROUD OF IT. I doubt they went and told all of thier friends "hey dude, check out these cans of ravioli we stole" :D I have the UTMOST respect for anyone who fought (or is fighting) for our country but it still does not give you the right to steal. :rolleyes:


Joe
You right Joe and if I had a chance to do it again, I would have still eaten the cookies and still be glad I did...

Like I said Joe, not only do you NOT understand, you cannot even grasp the concept...you see Joe, I bought those cookies and I paid dearly for them.

The only thing I struggle with to this day is why did they blame us for the war. Until the day rolls around you can walk in the shoes of one of us, you will NEVER, EVER know.

"All gave some, some gave all" In the most divisive, emotional war this country has ever seen outside of the civil war.

Its you Joe that is trying to rationalize here, NOT me, my conscience is clear. Your the one trying to feel good, high and mighty ego-centric struggling to sit atop your pile while judging others, not me. I am but a soldier who picked up his cookies, 39 years later.

My money against your cookies says I could have picked up that box and walked in that auditorium, up to that podium and told them I was taking them. My money says not a single person in the room would have said no. In fact [since they were mostly older folks close to or in my age group] I would bet ever single one to the man and woman would have told me take them and they are very sorry for that cold and rainy day. I also bet everyone has regrets for what happened...I have heard it oh so many, many times over the last 20 years or so.

Go rationalize Joe, it will help you stay atop your pile:D

[06GrnRubi]

I won't pretend to fully understand what anyone that had to go to Vietnam went through, as I was lucky enough to not be sent there, but I am a Vietnam era veteran.

On a recent business trip to Greenbelt, Maryland, I had the oportunity to go into Washington, DC. Among other sites, I went to see the Vietnam Memorial Wall. While people were rushing to, from, and through the other sites, when it came to the Vietnam Wall, everyone was silent. It was definately a different feeling as you walked through the area and read the names on the wall.

http://members.cox.net/ddmorris/pictures/100_0789edited.JPG

To those that had to go, I for one am grateful, and wish you had been treated better for your military service.

[amber.hodge]

:D Like I said Don, Rationalize it anyway that makes you feel good. Bottom line is the same thing. They stole your ravioli, you stole the cookies. The bad thing is YOUR PROUD OF IT. I doubt they went and told all of thier friends "hey dude, check out these cans of ravioli we stole" :D I have the UTMOST respect for anyone who fought (or is fighting) for our country but it still does not give you the right to steal. :rolleyes:


Joe


I think you are missing the whole point, there. But anyway, do you realize you are chastizing him over COOKIES???? It is not like he went and robbed the stereo decks out of their cars as they sat unknowingly in the meeting...he stole a 5 or 6 dollar box of cookies that probably came out of my tax dollars as it was a democrat meeting!
And...If a 'Nam vet wants to steal some cookies after he put in a tour in one of the biggest bloodbaths of the 20th century for America and came back to being spit upon and treated like he was subhuman (no, I wasn't there, but they offer "Vietnam Era" as a year long course in high school and i took it), Then LET THE MAN HAVE HIS DARNED STOLEN COOKIES AND PAT HIM ON THE BACK FOR IT...

I'll be all for chastizing someone for stealing cookies off of an innocent 6 year old girl scout, but this was a statement more than a cookie robbery :) lol! So much drama over so little an issue!

[Billy 4 hp]

I have always heard of the Daro (sp?) effect, now I have witnessed it...

[SHNIPE]

I think you are missing the whole point, there. But anyway, do you realize you are chastizing him over COOKIES????

While likewise youve missed Joes point as well. Its the matter of principle not how extreme the act was. Don knew it would be a controversial move since he automatically knew people could take Joes stance on when he said ow I know some of you will be offended that I took thier cookies. Guess that is just too dang bad.
So for you guys to call Joe out on his morals is completely "RESOURCED" (Since we cant call retarded kids retarded anymore) Is his point made for those that understand his POV? sure it is but he acknowledged that some would find it immoral and possibly hypocritical of previous statements made.

Is it right what Don did? No not to me but yet I happen to find it hilarious that he took them and it meant that much to him :D Hey at least he only took cookies instead of rationalizing takin a few of his guns and taking some lives. Its his life he found humor and satisfaction in it and thats all that matters in the end (so long as no ones hurt).

[shannonmac]

hmmmmm.... so calling people out on their morals IS resourced...interesting...
:rolleyes:

[amber.hodge]

hmmmmm.... so calling people out on their morals IS resourced...interesting...
:rolleyes:

"resourced"
I think this is the first time the "old" people have invented a new slang term before the teenagers... :D

Several times during the run today, instead of calling my husband a "retard" I just told him I wanted my "government resource money" for being married to him....He told me to write my congressman...

On topic - Schnipe - I reread and agree that I missed the point (she admitted she was wrong - print this page because it likely won't happen again), buuuuuuuuut even though it was "wrong" to take the cookies, I still think Don was in the right.....By the way, Don, my husband and I drove by a Gold S10 this morning and has a sudden craving for ravioli.

[1BLKJP]

So Don next time you hear someone talking bad about the war are you going to steal their wallet just because you are a vet? Next time you are at the bank are you going to steal some money because you are owed it because you were in Vietnam? Next time you are at Best Buy and you see anti-war messages on a TV are you going to steal one just to show them that you were a soldier so you are owed the TV?

You stole someone's property and think it's funny? Hell I'd expect those kind of morals from some punk teenage kid, but not from an elder like yourself. As a matter of fact it was pretty Democrat of you to think that you were OWED something isn't it? As a Vet you are OWED the thanks of a grateful nation, you are owed a handshake and a beer at anytime for your service to this country. However No where are you owed enough that it's okay to steal someone's belogings no matter what it is. Hell if you wanted to teach them a lesson you should've sat there and just ate all of the d*mn things.

[trailrunner58]

Am I missing something? Were the cookies for sale? It sounded like they were complementry cookies. If thats the case Don was just a little rude.:D :D So what.

Was the ravioli intended to be complimentry ravioli when it fell out of the back of his jeep.

Thanks for your service Don.

[SavageSun4x4]

1) So Don next time you hear someone talking bad about the war are you going to steal their wallet just because you are a vet? Next time you are at the bank are you going to steal some money because you are owed it because you were in Vietnam? Next time you are at Best Buy and you see anti-war messages on a TV are you going to steal one just to show them that you were a soldier so you are owed the TV?

2) You stole someone's property and think it's funny? Hell I'd expect those kind of morals from some punk teenage kid, but not from an elder like yourself. As a matter of fact it was pretty Democrat of you to think that you were OWED something isn't it?

3) As a Vet you are OWED the thanks of a grateful nation, you are owed a handshake and a beer at anytime for your service to this country. However No where are you owed enough that it's okay to steal someone's belogings no matter what it is. Hell if you wanted to teach them a lesson you should've sat there and just ate all of the d*mn things.

NO WHERE did I say I was OWED anything, NO WHERE, here any other post or any conversation, NO WHERE. In fact I don't know of any Nam vet that thinks we are OWED squat. By that same token, then why were we being CHARGED a price for a war we did not make. I and millions like me were just another draftee, sent to some rotten jungle and hoping to live thru it to come back home.

We didn't ask for anything or anyone to even meet us at the airport other than some loved ones. But we were met at the airport anyhow and it was not nice. In fact it was so bad that the military had to STOP ALL Vietnam returnees from departing/arriving in San Francisco [SFO]. It got so bad we couldn't even go home in UNIFORM on the same planes that took us over there.

Then you tell me: "As a Vet you are OWED the thanks of a grateful nation, you are owed a handshake and a beer at anytime for your service to this country." I can get a beer and a handshake but not a COOKIE? Heck a beer and a handshake would have been fine far as I was concerned;)

On the other hand the cookies might have been for us, dunno, they were just sitting on a table outside our doors with a big cooler of water bottles. In fact it might very well have been the Democrats Against the War eating MY cookies:D I was attending a meeting at the request of the City of Scottsdale Library Volunteer Director in the Library, and the Library Director was there along with the her assistant. I would not doubt that they were my cookies to begin with...but dunno, not the Cookie manager or cookie Monster either:eek:

Nobody was managing the cookies, no sign said they were For Sale or For Democrats ONLY. Of course I know some of the folks on here certainly want to believe that and in spite of their weak rhetoric they would not give a vet the time of day. When you listen to as many folks as I have mumble and struggle to say something decent about our military over the years you learn to separate the wheat from the chafe, the legit thank you from the hypocritical disdain and true hatred in their voice. "Your actions speak so loud I cannot hear your words"...Emerson

You have always seemed like a stand up guy to me so I will BUY YOU the beer next time we meet.;) I just don't think your in the same league as "Holy Joe" and a few others on here whose names I need not mention. But you might want to pass on this link to them: Hypocritical thinking, check out: http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/hypocritical ?:D

[1BLKJP]

Hell Don I didn't have to read anyone else's posts to determine my own opinion on your theivery. You are the one that wrote it and is proud of it for providing you whatever small means of satisfaction you got from sticking it to them.

You took their cookies because they didn't hug you and kiss you when you got off the plane "40" years ago? I think it's time to move on to things a little more current don't you?

[jpotts]

It sounds like the hippies may have been giving away cookies. I surprised that Don actually ate the cookies for fear that there may have been some contraband in the cookies.

Otherwise, maybe we should drop this. Don has served our country and we should be thankful to him for that. I think that this is a sensitive subject for Don and many other vets. It could be much worse than taking some questionable cookies... Have you guys seen Taxi Driver?

[lancetkenyon]

Box of "high end macadamia nut chocolate chip cookies"=$7-10?
Can of Chef-boy-ar-dee Raviolis=$.79?

Hmmm...........and the bigger thief is............

Point blank, stealing is stealing. I respect Don for his service to this country, same as my brother and cousins in Desert Storm and ANY other US Soldier who served in the military. During wartime or not. But lets not sugarcoat it, theft is theft. OK, fire away........

[SavageSun4x4]

Hell Don I didn't have to read anyone else's posts to determine my own opinion on your theivery. You are the one that wrote it and is proud of it for providing you whatever small means of satisfaction you got from sticking it to them.

You took their cookies because they didn't hug you and kiss you when you got off the plane "40" years ago? I think it's time to move on to things a little more current don't you?
Ohh Jack, you let me down:confused:

Sounds like you haven't taken the time to read my post either:(

Sadly Jack you like so many others think its "because they didn't hug you and kiss you when you got off the plane "40" years ago". You could NOT be further from the truth. Sadly not only do you not understand, you can not even grasp the concept...I thought you were much smarter than that:(

Yea "time to move on" sounds so easy. So for you and the rest of your arrogant, holier than thou folks who define the word hypocritical...head on down to the PTSD clinic at the VA and talk with the Doc's and the soldiers from every war that are still trying to move on. Matter of fact just tell the WWII, Korea, Nam, Desert Storm and our current engagement vets you can solve all their problems, tell them to "it's time to move on".

Sorry Jack "Almighty" your just not the man I thought you were...Oh and let me know when you go down to the Vet Center and extend a hand to the vets:rolleyes:

[SavageSun4x4]

Box of "high end macadamia nut chocolate chip cookies"=$7-10?
Can of Chef-boy-ar-dee Raviolis=$.79?

Hmmm...........and the bigger thief is............

Point blank, stealing is stealing. I respect Don for his service to this country, same as my brother and cousins in Desert Storm and ANY other US Soldier who served in the military. During wartime or not. But lets not sugarcoat it, theft is theft. OK, fire away........
Oh Lance:) here from my post #31:
"On the other hand the cookies might have been for us, dunno, they were just sitting on a table outside our doors with a big cooler of water bottles. In fact it might very well have been the Democrats Against the War eating MY cookies I was attending a meeting at the request of the City of Scottsdale Library Volunteer Director in the Library, and the Library Director was there along with the her assistant. I would not doubt that they were my cookies to begin with...but dunno, not the Cookie manager or cookie Monster either

Nobody was managing the cookies, no sign said they were For Sale or For Democrats ONLY. Of course I know some of the folks on here certainly want to believe that and in spite of their weak rhetoric they would not give a vet the time of day. When you listen to as many folks as I have mumble and struggle to say something decent about our military over the years you learn to separate the wheat from the chafe, the legit thank you from the hypocritical disdain and true hatred in their voice. "Your actions speak so loud I cannot hear your words"...Emerson"

Anybody on here trying to accuse me of theft is full of more crap than a Christmas goose.:D Especially since the meetings were over and all I got was what was left, which was 4 cookies, not even a cans worth of ravioli.

Some of the folks on here would rather lie than tell the truth and if that doesn't work then just go off half ****ed while making something up to suit their arrogant and judgmental viewpoints on life. Think some of you are spending WAY too much time at the Church of the First Self-Righteousness.

I am gonna let you slide Lance 'cause it sounds like you have got in on this thread kinda late, and your good guy anyhow...hope you don't let me down like Jack did:(

[amber.hodge]

gas to drive to the meeting in Scottsdale.......3.65
thirstbuster to sit through the meeting with........1.98
stealing cookies from a bunch of anti-war liberals and feeling like you got some little piece of justice after 30 years......Priceless

Thats all I have to say.

[lancetkenyon]

Oh Lance:) here from my post #31:
"On the other hand the cookies might have been for us, dunno, they were just sitting on a table outside our doors with a big cooler of water bottles. In fact it might very well have been the Democrats Against the War eating MY cookies I was attending a meeting at the request of the City of Scottsdale Library Volunteer Director in the Library, and the Library Director was there along with the her assistant. I would not doubt that they were my cookies to begin with...but dunno, not the Cookie manager or cookie Monster either

Nobody was managing the cookies, no sign said they were For Sale or For Democrats ONLY. Of course I know some of the folks on here certainly want to believe that and in spite of their weak rhetoric they would not give a vet the time of day. When you listen to as many folks as I have mumble and struggle to say something decent about our military over the years you learn to separate the wheat from the chafe, the legit thank you from the hypocritical disdain and true hatred in their voice. "Your actions speak so loud I cannot hear your words"...Emerson"

Anybody on here trying to accuse me of theft is full of more crap than a Christmas goose.:D Especially since the meetings were over and all I got was what was left, which was 4 cookies, not even a cans worth of ravioli.

Some of the folks on here would rather lie than tell the truth and if that doesn't work then just go off half ****ed while making something up to suit their arrogant and judgmental viewpoints on life. Think some of you are spending WAY too much time at the Church of the First Self-Righteousness.

I am gonna let you slide Lance 'cause it sounds like you have got in on this thread kinda late, and your good guy anyhow...hope you don't let me down like Jack did:(

All I got to say is.....I don't want to eat Christmas goose at your house!:D I understand where you are coming from, just don't quite condone the methods of your, I don't know, "retaliation"? "Justification"?

[desertrubi]

I don't care about the cookies. I have seen the results of Vietnam. A very sad time in our country. Some of the people completely turned their back on the ones being told they had no choice but to go. Blamed them for the war. I don't pretend for a minute to understand the after affects. But if snagging some of the free cookies(they were not asigned to any group, but placed in the hall outside of the two rooms for any one to take) before the very kind of people that spit in his face got the rest, more power to him. I would loved to see the faces when they came out and expected to find some cookies left over. The only thing I think you should have done Don is left a note, "Thank you from a Vietnam Vet."

[lancetkenyon]

I don't care about the cookies. I have seen the results of Vietnam. A very sad time in our country. Some of the people completely turned their back on the ones being told they had no choice but to go. Blamed them for the war. I don't pretend for a minute to understand the after affects. But if snagging some of the free cookies(they were not asigned to any group, but placed in the hall outside of the two rooms for any one to take) before the very kind of people that spit in his face got the rest, more power to him. I would loved to see the faces when they came out and expected to find some cookies left over. The only thing I think you should have done Don is left a note, "Thank you from a Vietnam Vet."

OK, you make a valid point about being "free" cookies. I guess then maybe it was just bad manners to take them all.

[Hunter]

I am not here to pass judgement on Don's actions. Personaly, I found it funny.. Right or worng, I am not going to say, just that I thought it was funny.

What has me amazed, is how an individual is being roasted for taking the cookies... He walked out with maybe 1 dollar worth of freakin cookies... "But", you say, "its the moral of the issue", you say, "he still stole the cookies, regardless of the amount...." OK fine.

Then may the first person who has not sinned, step foward and throw the stone.

Ever Speed?
Ever squeeze a red light?
Ever smoke in a building that is zoned to be smoke free?
Ever drive your jeep out in the trail and have a few cold ones?
Eat food at a BBQ when you didnt bring anything?

I could go on, but I think you get the point. I have done stupid things. Which is why, I shall not throw a stone. What this thread has turned into is a great example of how this board can turn something so trival into a rip fest.

I will also say, I might have some personal stake in this, and admitm irks me at the thought.

My Father, who most of you have met at my BBQ's, is a Veitnam Vet. He was in 3 years, 82nd/51F and did a tour as LRRP. (Equal to a Ranger) When he came home in '68, he landed in San Fran. He, along with the other who were lucky enough to come home, werent aloud to into the airport. In fact, they werent allowed into the city. They departed in the back of the plane, in the back of an airport and had to wait in a dark budiling, secluded from everyone else. As the crew told my Dad and the others. "Sorry gentleman, its just not safe in there" Meaning the city.

Last year, my Dad and I went on a camping trip for my Bachelor Party. it was a great time. We had one of the best nights together as we sat around the fire, and started talking, about all things, life, marraige, kids, etc.

We started talking about his time in "Nam. First the usual stories of fun and pain, butthen things went deep. It is a odd expiernce and humbling expeirence to watch your father, who has been your rock and guiding support since day one, weep tears for pain and talk of times, names, and places for the first time in 39 years. I was awed and cried too. I can tell you, 40 years is not enough time.

[lancetkenyon]

Ever Speed?
Ever squeeze a red light?
Ever smoke in a building that is zoned to be smoke free?
Ever drive your jeep out in the trail and have a few cold ones?
Eat food at a BBQ when you didnt bring anything?


Yep
It is called an "Orange" light
nope
nope
nope

[SavageSun4x4]

Eat food at a BBQ when you didnt bring anything?

Last year, my Dad and I went on a camping trip for my Bachelor Party. it was a great time. We had one of the best nights together as we sat around the fire, and started talking, about all things, life, marraige, kids, etc.

We started talking about his time in "Nam. First the usual stories of fun and pain, butthen things went deep. It is a odd expiernce and humbling expeirence to watch your father, who has been your rock and guiding support since day one, weep tears for pain and talk of times, names, and places for the first time in 39 years. I was awed and cried too. I can tell you, 40 years is not enough time.

Having twice manned the BBQ pit for the Annual Hunter BBQ and knowing how many pre-made burgers my wife and I brought to the Q and knowing how many folks ate and knowing how many burgers were left over...I would suggest that more folks bring more food for them and their family because a LOT of people are eating free:eek:

I have witnessed so many tears and inner struggles of combat veterans. I am working with a young lad now who is dealing with the demons on a daily basis and he is just 22 years old. I listen as his young wife cries and tries to understand his nightmares, the cold sweat and his tears felt for fallen brothers.

And another veteran friend who has nightmares and still cries when he thinks or talks about those bloody days in combat...IN WW II.

Of course Jack "Almighty" would say "its time to get over it" :rolleyes: "Holy" Joe would call us a thief if we took a cookie and others would say "What makes you think that anyone owes you for serving your country?" as if any of us have made that claim:rolleyes: And they preach this gospel from their Church of the First Self Righteousness while they sit atop their self produced pile of dung:D :D

[Roughian98TJ]

Am I missing something? Were the cookies for sale? It sounded like they were complementry cookies. If thats the case Don was just a little rude.:D :D So what.

Was the ravioli intended to be complimentry ravioli when it fell out of the back of his jeep.

Thanks for your service Don.
best post in the thread :ROTFLMAO:


oh and I wouldn't take the 487, I'd #2 it as a 418 and tell the hippies to get the sand out. :)

[06GrnRubi]

Having twice manned the BBQ pit for the Annual Hunter BBQ and knowing how many pre-made burgers my wife and I brought to the Q and knowing how many folks ate and knowing how many burgers were left over...I would suggest that more folks bring more food for them and their family because a LOT of people are eating free:eek:

I have witnessed so many tears and inner struggles of combat veterans. I am working with a young lad now who is dealing with the demons on a daily basis and he is just 22 years old. I listen as his young wife cries and tries to understand his nightmares, the cold sweat and his tears felt for fallen brothers.

And another veteran friend who has nightmares and still cries when he thinks or talks about those bloody days in combat...IN WW II.

Of course Jack "Almighty" would say "its time to get over it" :rolleyes: "Holy" Joe would call us a thief if we took a cookie and others would say "What makes you think that anyone owes you for serving your country?" as if any of us have made that claim:rolleyes: And they preach this gospel from their Church of the First Self Righteousness while they sit atop their self produced pile of dung:D :D

I think you and I are going to get along, if we ever meet.

[AZLugz]

Yo Don, I retired with 20, USAF and spent time in some ugly places but not Nam. Thanks, if we ever get the privledge to meet I will try and remember some cookies!!!

Thanks for all you did.....even the cookies were ok by me