Imus?

[John_P]

Symbol of free speech OR blithering bigot?

Discuss. :D

[jeff krause]

More tame than Stern befoer Satelite...... Just a new person to pick on...

[Antman]

Symbol of free speech OR blithering bigot?

Discuss. :D

BOTH! Stern's nemesis to say the least, but come on, he apologized. Sharpton
and the black community need to get off it. Like they haven't ever called anyone
a name or made fun of them. Sharpton's kind just feed on the attention!

Just call Imus a Bigot or a Cracker and be done with it.

[Kiwi]

I dunno - isn't that the whole idea behind 'freedom of speech' - freedom? We have to allow for bigots, racists, vast right wing conspiracies, et al...

Larry Flint?

[Renob]

What if we just call him what he actually is?

A savvy business man who knows how to sell himself by being controversial.

It gets ratings which in turn raises his income. Which I'm sure is way more than any of us are making.

[jeff krause]

100% agree with you

[Wind_Danzer]

I can be the first to say he was telling the truth. ;)

Grew up out there and played hockey there in the summers, he ain't lying. :D

EDIT: BTW, I didn't realize "nappy haired" has become a racist insult. :rolleyes:

[azdesertrhino]

Not racist, not a savvy business man, not free speech! The guy is a freakin moron. Long before this! This time he just decided to show his ignorance in a way that ticked off a whole group of vocal people.

I agree a person can say whatever they want to say BUT, if you are in the national spotlight, be prepared accept responsibility for what you do and say. I hope they fry him, not as a bigot, just because he's dumber than a box of rocks! IMHO! AND it's my right to say so!!

[DREDnot]

Is being a bigot illegal or something?
Al Sharpton is one of the biggest bigots of all time and nobody is calling for his ouster.
I think the real crime here is someone who makes a fantastic living off of being offended for other people.

[Renob]

AND it's my right to say so!!It's also your right to be wrong.

What happened to this country? You can't even describe a persons appearance anymore without someone screaming racism.

[mingoglia]

We had free HBO this past weekend and I found myself watching some standup comedy. If the african american/afro american/black/negro (I really don't know what's politically correct this month to describe this group) was ever forced to not make fun of the "white man" the comedy industry would go under. Other than the Bill Cosby's of the world, 90+% of their jokes are all on the "white man". I know they're a minority and perhaps we have to give them a little bit of slack, but come on? When's enough enough? I'm sure these same people laugh at the "white man" jokes, but get pissed when one of "them" is referred to as being "articulate".

BTW, I'm making a point based on how this group normally interprets comments from white members of the community.... I actually didn't hear about this whole Imus incident to comment on it specifically.

Mike

[mingoglia]

Is being a bigot illegal or something?
Al Sharpton is one of the biggest bigots of all time and nobody is calling for his ouster.
I think the real crime here is someone who makes a fantastic living off of being offended for other people.

It's my opinion that the biggest racists are the black community. JMHO though. Just as I feel affirmative action is reverse discrimination.

Keep in mind a couple things. My customer service manager is a Mexican woman over 40. My project manager is a woman.... AND, I just hired 2 weeks ago a Chinese DEAF developer. I don't discriminate... but it makes me crazy when groups of people expect special treatment only because of race... that's not equality, that's racism pure and simple.

Mike

[jpotts]

Imus is an idiot, but he has the right to be an idiot and say whatever he wants. In my opinion it is in very bad taste to call the Rutgers women "Nappy Headed Hoes." They're just basketball players who have worked very hard to achieve an impressive goal. They are young women who don't deserve those remarks. The good thing is that I am not forced to turn on the Don Imus show, so I don't.

I think Sharpton has the right to be offended and call for his removal. I don't think there was any kind of crime that was committed by either side.

What I do like is that the censorship of Imus was done the right way - not by the FCC. He pissed off the sponsors, so NBC suspended him. It's a free market decision not the government limiting free speech, so all is good.

[SavageSun4x4]

I dunno - isn't that the whole idea behind 'freedom of speech' - freedom? We have to allow for bigots, racists, vast right wing conspiracies, et al...

Larry Flint?



EDIT: BTW, I didn't realize "nappy haired" has become a racist insult. :rolleyes:

I have watched Imus a little bit, a very little bit and find him dull and uninteresting, but to each his own I suppose.

That said it is the public airwaves and last I heard we still have freedom of speech in this country. Which if it were up to JJ and Rev Al we wouldn't. Of course if you really think we have Freedom of Speech, then stand on any street corner and start shouting the "N" word which in fact we are not even allowed to write but have to call it "N".

In that light lets switch to Rosie O Donnell and her latest tirade of accusations that our government staged 9/11 etc. Howz come JJ and the Rev Al are not asking her to resign?

Or the Rev. Louie the Lip Farrakhan's racial hatred spewed across our country.

Any one listen to any Rap music lately? How about those words? Makes anything Imus said tame. But that is on the radio!!!!

Then we have "nappy haired" or was it "nappy headed", either way we are allowing JJ and Rev Al to define what is a "racial slur".

What makes a racial slur or epithet? [Epithet: A term used as a descriptive substitute for the name or title of a person, such as The Great Emancipator for Abraham Lincoln. Usage Note: Strictly speaking, an epithet need not be derogatory.]

We need to remember JJ and Rev Al are the same folks that called for the firing of the fellow several years ago that wrote in a financial report and used the term "niggardly". Is that a racial slur or epithet?

Interestingly what he did say that I found offensive, was he called the women "ho's" The term "ho" goes way back in the black community and was meant to describe a woman as a whore or hole and has always been very derogatory. I first heard this in the mid-70's.

So what Imus called these women was "black whores". Using that logic, I see no problem with calling them black since they were, but whether or not they were "ho's" is a questionable call at best. Certainly if I were the Dad of one of these girls I would call Imus up and have a few words with him.

"nappy haired ho's", a racial slur or epithet? You make the call.

I don't think he should be fired for that, maybe fired 'cause I think is a poor talk show host but that is just my opinion.

Just not sure this is a "tar baby" we want to tackle.:rolleyes:

[xFallen]

What makes a racial slur or epithet? [Epithet: A term used as a descriptive substitute for the name or title of a person, such as The Great Emancipator for Abraham Lincoln. Usage Note: Strictly speaking, an epithet need not be derogatory (http://www.answers.com/topic/epithet).] If you're going to cite things, at least cite them completely.

Check the link folks. Make your own call. The revisionist approach to making one's case might float in some circles, but some of us can think for ourselves and readily see through the half-truths.

[QUOTE=SavageSun4x4;168526]
I don't think he should be fired for that, maybe fired 'cause I think is a poor talk show host but that is just my opinion.

Just not sure this is a "tar baby" we want to tackle.:rolleyes:

Romney and McCain would be flattered I am sure.

Copied and pasted verbatim from Merriam-Webster online version, the de facto American English language dictionary (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/epithet), link included for one's own reference,

Main Entry: ep·i·thet
Pronunciation: 'e-p&-"thet also -th&t
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin epitheton, from Greek, from neuter of epithetos added, from epitithenai to put on, add, from epi- + tithenai to put -- more at DO
1 a : a characterizing word or phrase accompanying or occurring in place of the name of a person or thing b : a disparaging or abusive word or phrase c : the part of a taxonomic name identifying a subordinate unit within a genus
2 obsolete : EXPRESSION
- ep·i·thet·ic /"e-p&-'the-tik/ or ep·i·thet·i·cal /-ti-k&l/ adjective

Very clearly seeing the entire definition and most importantly the relevent definition as itapplies here it is very clear that the characterization of a black female as a nappy ho is a derogatory racial slur, just as is your tar baby reference attempt at humor, the same thing Imus was doing. The only apparent difference, he's trying to make a buck.

Here's a new quote for your bogusisms, my term for Yogi's toilet bowl wisdom.

"What we're saying today is that you're either part of the solution, or you're part of the problem" -- Eldridge Cleaver

Kind of rings true, no matter the context nor the intent nor the quality iof the human beings involved. And yes, the same yardstick should be held against Sharpton and the rest. Repeated wrongs don't make anyone right. That sport of school yard or lowbrow argument is nothing but smoke some people choose to hide behind to avoid acknowledgement of the real issues. My apologies to all the lowbrows reading this. News conference to be amnnounced.

[jr4asu]

[QUOTE=SavageSun4x4;168526]
either way we are allowing JJ and Rev Al to define what is a "racial slur".

Now who should define what a "racial slur" is, is another question.

I think this is the main point...
Members of a minority group can call themselves whatever they want... make joke, insults, etc... However, when someone from outside their groups hears it and then repeats it and that group doesn't like it being said by the outsider then they cry "racial slur".

This can go for any minority group... And I don't think it will ever change.

[John_P]

[QUOTE=SavageSun4x4;168526]
either way we are allowing JJ and Rev Al to define what is a "racial slur".

Now who should define what a "racial slur" is, is another question.

I think this is the main point...
Members of a minority group can call themselves whatever they want... make joke, insults, etc... However, when someone from outside their groups hears it and then repeats it and that group doesn't like it being said by the outsider then they cry "racial slur".

This can go for any minority group... And I don't think it will ever change.

I kind of agree. The problem lies in the appropriate usage of the word. This is defined by context, relationships, and history. All of these are usually known qualities within an in-group making these terms palatable, even acceptable. However the out-group must tread lightly, as those same qualities are usually only viewed through one's own cultural spectacles, usually increasing the chance of an inappropriate comment.

[SavageSun4x4]

[QUOTE=SavageSun4x4;168526]What makes a racial slur or epithet? [Epithet: A term used as a descriptive substitute for the name or title of a person, such as The Great Emancipator for Abraham Lincoln. Usage Note: Strictly speaking, an epithet need not be derogatory (http://www.answers.com/topic/epithet).] If you're going to cite things, at least cite them completely.

Check the link folks. Make your own call. The revisionist approach to making one's case might float in some circles, but some of us can think for ourselves and readily see through the half-truths.



Romney and McCain would be flattered I am sure.

Copied and pasted verbatim from Merriam-Webster online version, the de facto American English language dictionary (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/epithet), link included for one's own reference,

Main Entry: ep·i·thet
Pronunciation: 'e-p&-"thet also -th&t
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin epitheton, from Greek, from neuter of epithetos added, from epitithenai to put on, add, from epi- + tithenai to put -- more at DO
1 a : a characterizing word or phrase accompanying or occurring in place of the name of a person or thing b : a disparaging or abusive word or phrase c : the part of a taxonomic name identifying a subordinate unit within a genus
2 obsolete : EXPRESSION
- ep·i·thet·ic /"e-p&-'the-tik/ or ep·i·thet·i·cal /-ti-k&l/ adjective

Very clearly seeing the entire definition and most importantly the relevent definition as itapplies here it is very clear that the characterization of a black female as a nappy ho is a derogatory racial slur, just as is your tar baby reference attempt at humor, the same thing Imus was doing. The only apparent difference, he's trying to make a buck.

Here's a new quote for your bogusisms, my term for Yogi's toilet bowl wisdom.

"What we're saying today is that you're either part of the solution, or you're part of the problem" -- Eldridge Cleaver

Kind of rings true, no matter the context nor the intent nor the quality iof the human beings involved. And yes, the same yardstick should be held against Sharpton and the rest. Repeated wrongs don't make anyone right. That sport of school yard or lowbrow argument is nothing but smoke some people choose to hide behind to avoid acknowledgement of the real issues. My apologies to all the lowbrows reading this.

Somewhere in there you are struggling to make a point, but its lost in the diatribe. Most likely due to the fact you simply did not comprehend the points I was putting across. As I said "you make the call".

Tarbaby: "tar baby" is metaphorically any "sticky situation"[1] that is only aggravated by efforts to solve it. [from your reference guide]

In context of the link you provided, I will display it here: "USAGE NOTE Strictly speaking, an epithet need not be derogatory, but the term is commonly used as a simple synonym for term of abuse or slur, as in There is no place for racial epithets in a police officer's vocabulary."

Did that change anything?:rolleyes: In fact it remains the same, "strictly speaking";)

"bogusisms" :confused: :D I assume that is a Barryism;)

Got some bad news for you, Eldridge Cleaver might have said it somewhere, but he NEVER coined the phrase:D :D

Enjoy...:D

[azrubyman]

Interesting thread.
These are college kids. Young people playing college sports that never did a thing to Imus.
And some big shot idiot sitting in his radio booth called them all a Ho.
That's OK?
I'm wondering.....
Do any of you have daughters in college?
Would you stand behind your "free speech" mantra if Imus had singled out your daughters and called your little princess an uppity toe headed ho?
My opinion. He needs to look those girls in the face and tell them it was just a joke and he is sorry, not Al Sharpton and not anyone else.
Hopefully his listeners will tune him out, his ratings will fall and his career will end.
Ken

[SavageSun4x4]

[QUOTE=jr4asu;168536]

I kind of agree. The problem lies in the appropriate usage of the word. This is defined by context, relationships, and history. All of these are usually known qualities within an in-group making these terms palatable, even acceptable. However the out-group must tread lightly, as those same qualities are usually only viewed through one's own cultural spectacles, usually increasing the chance of an inappropriate comment.

BINGO! John your dead on. We can quickly see the danger of letting anyone define definitions at will. Which is exactly what JJ and Rev Al wish to do.

Some weeks ago I posted on the term "tarbaby". MY frame of reference tells me it is a sticky situation. I have used and heard used that term in that context all my life. I have NEVER head it used as a racial slur and at first blush I am not sure how it would be. Albeit I am sure JJ and Rev Al can think of a way.

Agreed that some would say its a "black baby" but not in the context of a black person. Its a black baby since it is made of tar, small because it looks like a baby.

How about "porch monkeys", or "yard apes". A reference or slur towards blacks? Not where I come from. Its just kids playing in the yard. Get a bunch of kids, boys, and let them loose in the yard/porch and what do they do? Climb trees, swing sets and the lattice works around the porch to get on the roof. At least I did. I never thought my Mama or Daddy was calling me a black kid, we were just outside acting like monkeys no more, no less. In fact a 10 year old boy + a tree = climbing and acting like a monkey.

As I said, I really object to the term "ho" and Imus should be taken to task for that. Lose his job, dunno, don't listen to him and not sure that JJ and Rev Al, who are both open bigots should be setting in judgement. Which brings to mind a recent college LaCross team...

[John_P]

[QUOTE=John_P;168542]

BINGO! John your dead on. We can quickly see the danger of letting anyone define definitions at will. Which is exactly what JJ and Rev Al wish to do.

Some weeks ago I posted on the term "tarbaby". MY frame of reference tells me it is a sticky situation. I have used and heard used that term in that context all my life. I have NEVER head it used as a racial slur and at first blush I am not sure how it would be. Albeit I am sure JJ and Rev Al can think of a way.

Agreed that some would say its a "black baby" but not in the context of a black person. Its a black baby since it is made of tar, small because it looks like a baby.

How about "porch monkeys", or "yard apes". A reference or slur towards blacks? Not where I come from. Its just kids playing in the yard. Get a bunch of kids, boys, and let them loose in the yard/porch and what do they do? Climb trees, swing sets and the lattice works around the porch to get on the roof. At least I did. I never thought my Mama or Daddy was calling me a black kid, we were just outside acting like monkeys no more, no less. In fact a 10 year old boy + a tree = climbing and acting like a monkey.

As I said, I really object to the term "ho" and Imus should be taken to task for that. Lose his job, dunno, don't listen to him and not sure that JJ and Rev Al, who are both open bigots should be setting in judgement. Which brings to mind a recent college LaCross team...


The only problem with your analysis, is that "nappy-headed" coming from a white man, evokes a history that we do not share with Al and his friends.

[xFallen]

[QUOTE=xFallen;168533]

Somewhere in there you are struggling to make a point, but its lost in the diatribe. Most likely due to the fact you simply did not comprehend the points I was putting across. As I said "you make the call".

Tarbaby: "tar baby" is metaphorically any "sticky situation"[1] that is only aggravated by efforts to solve it. [from your reference guide]

In context of the link you provided, I will display it here: "USAGE NOTE Strictly speaking, an epithet need not be derogatory, but the term is commonly used as a simple synonym for term of abuse or slur, as in There is no place for racial epithets in a police officer's vocabulary."

Did that change anything?:rolleyes: In fact it remains the same, "strictly speaking";)

"bogusisms" :confused: :D I assume that is a Barryism;)

Got some bad news for you, Eldridge Cleaver might have said it somewhere, but he NEVER coined the phrase:D :D

Enjoy...:D

Oh I understand very well but from your statements you clealry do not. Metaphor. Uh huh. Confused, well, not surprised by that.

Cleaver made the original statement I quoted. It has been misquoted over the years, maybe by right wing revisionists, who knows.

[SavageSun4x4]

[QUOTE=SavageSun4x4;168555]


The only problem with your analysis, is that "nappy-headed" coming from a white man, evokes a history that we do not share with Al and his friends.
Possibly, correct. But again its your frame of reference. If someone told me "that guy is "nappy headed". I would not think he is black. If someone said he is "nappy haired" and I was a cook I would think it was a cooking dish.

My analysis doesn't really draw conclusion other than frame of reference. You say it "evokes a history we do not share". What history? Are you saying that blacks were called "nappy haired" at some point in time? Is nappy haired generally a true statement? Is it degrading? I don't have any answers and I doubt you do either. No one has ever called me nappy haired. Not because I am not black, but because I don't have kinky hair. In my frame of reference I struggle to see the bad in nappy hair, but then I have never heard nappy hair used in a derogatory way, in fact never heard it used.

nap·py 1 (np)
adj. nap·pi·er, nap·pi·est
1. Having a nap; fuzzy.
2. Kinky; frizzy.
nap·py 2 (np)
n. pl. nap·pies
A round, shallow cooking or serving dish with a flat bottom and sloping side.

Most likely I would surmise the guy was fuzzy in his thoughts.

My last thought would be he had kinky hair or was a black guy, in fact that thought would have never entered my mind. I would have asked if he was fuzzy in thought and if the answer was negative then I would have asked what was meant.

Its all in the frame of reference and if that is the case, then an apology, if one took the statement incorrectly, would be in order. Not asking for someone to be fired.

In the Imus case I am not sure that Imus knows exactly what "ho" means. My guess is he thinks a woman. My frame of reference it means a black whore or hole as they are called. I got that from my days in the Army in the 70's. At that time about 50 % of the Army was black and of that 50% about 75% were in the combat arms, in this case Infantry. So I had a lot of exposure to blacks, their culture, speaking and terms they used. I learned a lot.

I think what it comes down to is this. If I say something that offends you, the question has to be: Did I INTEND to offend or was my frame of reference just different than yours.

I don't think I can sit in judgement of Imus, but I would say that nothing in my frame of reference tells me that calling a college girls basketball team "nappy haired ho's" sounds acceptable, especially the "ho" part.

[SavageSun4x4]

[QUOTE=SavageSun4x4;168544]

Oh I understand very well but from your statements you clealry do not. Metaphor. Uh huh. Confused, well, not surprised by that.

Cleaver made the original statement I quoted. It has been misquoted over the years, maybe by right wing revisionists, who knows.

Yea your right I "clealry" do not.

If you subscribe to the revisionists statement held attributable to Cleaver then it must be a left wing thing. But that statement has been around long before Cleaver was alive.

That said I just as soon not waste anymore effort replying to your drivel and I will concede you are an expert on all things Jeep and non-Jeep...enjoy

[kjflowers]

Televisions, radios, and on another note even computers, have a ON and OFF switch for a reason.

[Wzzl13]

People are anal now adays.... BUT a little common sence goes along way.

[1BLKJP]

I thought it was kind of funny however in poor taste. I really see no problem with the Nappy Headed part, but calling them ho's wasn't very cool. Imus is paid for his opinions to be put on the air. For as long as there has been radio or TV there has been someone pushing the limits. Stern found a way to beat the system, but Imus seems to have met his match. Performing for the public is all about the audience. If enough people don't like you anymore then you are gone.

However the sensitization (Word?) of America is a kiling us these days. I don't know about you all, but I like America's position as a Super Power. I don't want to be in a place like Canada or Zimbabwe. By the time most of our kids grow up everything is going to white washed and "Correct" that we will lose our place in the world as the ones everyone looks to. It will be a sad day.

Hey PMFG, you said the other day you were black. Did Imus' comments offend you. :D

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

Imus is a tool and does horrible radio...I think he is on cnbc in the mornings??

Jason

[Miles2go1979]

Never heard of him until he started getting all this free publicity

[azdesertrhino]

Apparently you misread my post: I have copied and highlighted it for you.

"Not racist, not a savvy business man, not free speech! The guy is a freakin moron."

Never said he was a racist. Moron and dumber than a box of rocks better describes him, as I stated!! More in context, my point was, take responsibility for what you do and say. (Not you personally) A novel idea in this day and age!!

It's also your right to be wrong.

What happened to this country? You can't even describe a persons appearance anymore without someone screaming racism.

[SavageSun4x4]

Apparently you misread my post: I have copied and highlighted it for you.

"Not racist, not a savvy business man, not free speech! The guy is a freakin moron."

Never said he was a racist. Moron and dumber than a box of rocks better describes him, as I stated!! More in context, my point was, take responsibility for what you do and say. (Not you personally) A novel idea in this day and age!!
The few times I have listened/watched Imus I came away with the same thought, just a moron who has a talk show. I have never known anyone that was a listener of his show.

I guess I have to admit that when he was on with the Rev Al the other day I got a kick out Rev Al beating him like the neighbors dog. Imus was shaking like a dog trying to pass a peach seed and all but on his knees begging to keep his job. Hell, the beating Rev Al gave him should have been enough for anyone:D There are times I like Rev Al, guess that was one of them. [I think Rev Al could be a stand up guy if JJ was to drop out of the scene. Too often he tries to outdo JJ. I see JJ and I want to shoot the TV.:eek: ]

[macinyart]

I thought the remarks not pleasant for sure. But more important, I didn't think Imus was that important or pleasant either. Does anyone recall Sharptons involvement in the hoax put on by the black community regarding the teenage girl that was "raped" and "covered with feces"?

[SavageSun4x4]

I thought the remarks not pleasant for sure. But more important, I didn't think Imus was that important or pleasant either. Does anyone recall Sharptons involvement in the hoax put on by the black community regarding the teenage girl that was "raped" and "covered with feces"?
Remember it well, very well. IIRC it took place in Virginia Beach. Just one of many in the trail of lies.

[jeeper05]

I think the whole racism thing is crap Ive never owend a cotton plantation,made anyone use a seperate entrance or water fountain or ride in the back a the bus however I yes I am forced to endure BET,Miss Black America and the United Negro college fund I dare anyone down on Imus (dont get me wrong I dont like him myself) to start a WET,Miss White America or a United Whitey College fund and see what kinda response you would get from jessie,al or louis I would be willing to wager you wouldnt even be able to rember Imus let alone spell bigot

[xFallen]

Yea your right I "clealry" do not.

If you subscribe to the revisionists statement held attributable to Cleaver then it must be a left wing thing. But that statement has been around long before Cleaver was alive.

That said I just as soon not waste anymore effort replying to your drivel and I will concede you are an expert on all things Jeep and non-Jeep...enjoy

Well it took you long enough. Maybe you can teach old dogs new tricks.

Now if we can just get you to stop trying to change history and selling that tainted Kool-Aid®.

[danno]

I think the whole racism thing is crap Ive never owend a cotton plantation,made anyone use a seperate entrance or water fountain or ride in the back a the bus however I yes I am forced to endure BET,Miss Black America and the United Negro college fund I dare anyone down on Imus (dont get me wrong I dont like him myself) to start a WET,Miss White America or a United Whitey College fund and see what kinda response you would get from jessie,al or louis I would be willing to wager you wouldnt even be able to rember Imus let alone spell bigot

It is a somewhat valid arguement, but... The reason for the sensitivity is that relatively speaking, all of that happened a very short time ago... You could make the statement "I wish that everyone would just forget about this... We don't do it anymore, so if it is forgotten then there would be less tension" but it has always been true societies that do not understand their history and learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat themselves.

Younger Black people learn about these things from people who are still living and who experienced them first hand, therefore the sensitivity is increased.

Not sure what you mean by forced to endure...

BET? Change the Channel... There are hundreds of other channels out there with majority white. There may not be a WET, but if you watch Spike TV, (formerly TNN) or CMT lets just say if you played a drinking game where you pounded a beer for every black person you saw... It would be nearly impossible to get drunk.

Miss Black America? Again Change the Channel

United Negro College Fund? Hard to find fault with this one... Funded by Blacks for Blacks... Keeps general scholarships from having to focus as much on meeting quotas.

[Renob]

Apparently you misread my post: I have copied and highlighted it for you.

"Not racist, not a savvy business man, not free speech! The guy is a freakin moron."

Never said he was a racist. Moron and dumber than a box of rocks better describes him, as I stated!! More in context, my point was, take responsibility for what you do and say. (Not you personally) A novel idea in this day and age!!I read your post and my two statements where separate.

I do not believe Imus is unintelligent, rather a performer out for ratings (i.e. cash)

The "what happened to this country" was just a general question.

[WalterD]

If a black man had said the same thing, it probably would have been considered a joke. So considering it was a white man it's racist. Is it racist to make a big deal over what a man says because he is white? Blacks put down blacks more than any other race does, listen to that fine rap music that's made many $$$$. If Imus had put those words into rap would it be OK?
No I am not racist. I hate everybody equally.

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

Imus is horrible in my opinion, Getting fired for a commnet like this..WOW. So much for freedom of speech:mad:

The good for Imus is that he will have a new Job next week, I'm sure he is in high demand somewhere like Sat radio:D


Jason

[jeeper05]

It is a somewhat valid arguement, but... The reason for the sensitivity is that relatively speaking, all of that happened a very short time ago... You could make the statement "I wish that everyone would just forget about this... We don't do it anymore, so if it is forgotten then there would be less tension" but it has always been true societies that do not understand their history and learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat themselves.

Younger Black people learn about these things from people who are still living and who experienced them first hand, therefore the sensitivity is increased.

Not sure what you mean by forced to endure...

BET? Change the Channel... There are hundreds of other channels out there with majority white. There may not be a WET, but if you watch Spike TV, (formerly TNN) or CMT lets just say if you played a drinking game where you pounded a beer for every black person you saw... It would be nearly impossible to get drunk.

Miss Black America? Again Change the Channel

United Negro College Fund? Hard to find fault with this one... Funded by Blacks for Blacks... Keeps general scholarships from having to focus as much on meeting quotas.

dont like imus change the channel and you missed the point I tried to make ..no Im not forced to watch only forced to know that should I or any person of non color try to mirror a program or fund for whites only the country would come unglued