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45064 From: Shawn Passmore <smpassmore@e...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 5:58pm
Subject: Re: Re: Burned Toyoya in Martinez Canyon
I have a Dodge fullsize and a 4x8 trailer, and a sawzall!!!!!
If we can get it setup for Sunday, I would love too help.
Shawn Passmore
jeepcj5nut
----- Original Message -----
From: "bermboy2000" <bermboy@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 1:04 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Burned Toyoya in Martinez Canyon
> Yeah, we saw that on Saturday when we went on Martinez, If I remember
> right its just after the first rocky section after the Cabins. Most
> likely would have to take it piece by piece. I'd be willing to help
> out. Anyone with a big trailer want to help????
>
> Scott Maiden
> 93 YJ SOA
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...> wrote:
> > See this thread on JeepsUnlimited BB:
> >
> > http://forums.jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/005585.html
> >
> > What do you folks think? Can we get it out? Seems like we might
> want to do
> > this one since Martinez is possibly on the endangered trails list.
> >
> > Chris K
>
>
>
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45065 From: Ralph Williams <ralphbw@q...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 6:29pm
Subject: Re: Cutting the Wheel Wells
He is talking about a ZJ, a little more involved than on a TJ. I
think you can fold the lip of the wheel well over fairly easily.
This will give you some extra clearance. I have seen people trim
the very front of the rear wheel well for extra clearance as the
tire rotates into droop. Any more trimming will most likely get
you up into the inner fenders. You may want to talk to a body
shop.
Ask on JU in the Grand Cherokee forum and you may find more real
knowledge than I can give you.
Ralph
"Siade, Randy" wrote:
>
> This is not hard to do. With a 3.5" lift and 33s you should clear with very
> minimal trimming if any at all. Your flairs a very flexible and what I have
> done in the past is loosen them up on the ends pull them as far as they will
> go, mark the fenders for the new mounting holes and the cut, remove the
> flairs, trim the metal and drill new mounting holes, reinstall the flairs.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jayke Thorpe [mailto:jeepboy_3@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 7:14 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Cutting the Wheel Wells
>
> > Has anybody ever cut wheel wells? I have a '98 ZJ
> > and
> > my wheel wells are plenty high, just not wide
> > enough.
> > I have 31x10.50's and I want to go to 33's. I have
> > a
> > 3.5" Rancho now. I really don't want to go much
> > higher. So, is cutting my wheel well the answer? If
> > so, what can I expect to pay for something like
> > this?
> > Thank You,
> > Jayke Thorpe
> >
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> >
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45066 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 3:07pm
Subject: [FS] Vendor Items Added
Hello Members of the AzVJC,
[Robert Massey] has just added some items to the Classified section of the AzVJC Website that may be of interest to you. To see these items Click Here or goto the website classifieds and select 'Vendor' from the list.
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
45067 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 7:33am
Subject: RE: The O word is bad Karma
Who is the Arizona Axlebreakers?
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 7:46 PM
To: Azvjc (E-mail)
Subject: [az_vjc] The O word is bad Karma
See what you O lovers did? Yahoo Groups is Down because their server
detected the O word too many times in one day which caused it to crash.
It's all your fault (oh, and it's also the fault of the Arizona Axlebreakers
cause... well... cause they exist) :)
Joe West
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45068 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 4:31pm
Subject: Re: Burned Toyoya in Martinez Canyon
I think we need to extract it as soon as possible. From the looks of it,
we'll need a torch to cut it up.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
To: "Virtual Jeep Club" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 5:24 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Burned Toyoya in Martinez Canyon
> See this thread on JeepsUnlimited BB:
>
> http://forums.jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/005585.html
>
> What do you folks think? Can we get it out? Seems like we might want to do
> this one since Martinez is possibly on the endangered trails list.
>
> Chris K
>
>
>
>
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>
>
45069 From: <zukicrazy@a...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 1:36pm
Subject: 1987 4 runner 50$
i have a 4 runner all parts are there exept tranny engine rear axle and
trasfercase all glass is good everthing else in good cond 50$ you tow it 3
602-232-2084
45070 From: J & P Visic <jpvisic@n...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 6:51pm
Subject: Re: Trail runs next week
Robert,
The Florence Junction, Box Canyon, Martinez Canyon area is almost completely
state and federal land, with a little private land sprinkled around. To the
best of my knowledge access to the Federal land does not require a permit.
You can get a permit for the state land on the spot at the State Land
Department. I've been out there several times and never seen a posting, so
your best bet is to have a permit. Wish I could join you.
John Visic
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Holmes" <flamable_liquid@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 4:47 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Trail runs next week
> I have Spring break all next week so Im planning on lurking out in the FJ
> area. I was wondering if the State Trust land out there is promintly
marked
> to ill know whether or not to enter. Im planning on just running Box
Canyon
> next wendsday and ive never seen any signs so im curious if they exist
>
> Is anyone else free next wendsday who wants to come
>
>
>
> ~Robert Holmes
>
>
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45071 From: Jayke Thorpe <jeepboy_3@y...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 4:28pm
Subject: Re: Burned Toyoya in Martinez Canyon
My 98' ZJ, locked front and rear, 360 engine, might be
able to give it a yank.
--- Robert Holmes <flamable_liquid@h...> wrote:
> Well we can sure as hell try. Ill be out in that
> area on wendsday of next
> week and possibly Thursday. The picture didnt come
> through but it sounds
> like its not a trailer job, especailly in that area.
> This is one of those
> times a flatbed Unimog and a small 4x4 crane would
> be handy :) I dont have a
> vehicle capable of moving very much... well vehicle
> but Ill donate man power
> if nothing else. A portable cutting torch might be
> handy too but like I said
> ill go check it out wendsday as im off School all
> next week
>
>
> >From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
> >To: Virtual Jeep Club <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: [az_vjc] Burned Toyoya in Martinez Canyon
> >Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 17:24:31 -0700
> >
> >See this thread on JeepsUnlimited BB:
> >
>
>http://forums.jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/005585.html
> >
> >What do you folks think? Can we get it out? Seems
> like we might want to do
> >this one since Martinez is possibly on the
> endangered trails list.
> >
> >Chris K
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
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>
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45072 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 7:47am
Subject: RE: ?????????????
yep. There has not been the usual activity.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jayke Thorpe [mailto:jeepboy_3@y...]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 2:12 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] ?????????????
Is this coming thru? I haven't seen any posts all
day. If it is, can you e-mail me directly and let me
know.
Thanks...
Jayke Thorpe
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45073 From: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 3:57pm
Subject: RE: Burned Toyoya in Martinez Canyon
If I don't have to work I'll go.
Clint
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 11:01 AM
To: Chris Krieg
Cc: Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Burned Toyoya in Martinez Canyon
I'll help. We definitely want to get that out of there. If it was
stolen and abandoned there, then I don't feel that reflects on us
wheelers. But if some wheeler left it there, then it does. In either
case, there's no telling what others (gov't agancies, greenies, general
public) might think so we need to get that out of there ASAP.
We probably should report it and, if it is stolen, move it out of
Martinez Canyon to some point where the insurance company or BLM or
whoever can get to it.
If the JU guys want to donate money, let's take it and then send it to
the ASA4WDC or the Blue Ribbon Coalition or some other related charity.
-Roger
Chris Krieg wrote:
>
> See this thread on JeepsUnlimited BB:
>
> http://forums.jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/005585.html
>
> What do you folks think? Can we get it out? Seems like we might want
to do
> this one since Martinez is possibly on the endangered trails list.
>
> Chris K
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45074 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 8:38pm
Subject: Re: Cutting the Wheel Wells
You can do it with very litle inside wheel well trimming if you run
33x9.50s on the stock wheels, but don't take it on ay trails! Any wider
of a tire and you will have to lift it at least to 4.5". I think 6" is
more like it for 33" tires. The added lift gives the tires some place to
go.
Linda
Ralph Williams wrote:
>
> He is talking about a ZJ, a little more involved than on a TJ. I
> think you can fold the lip of the wheel well over fairly easily.
> This will give you some extra clearance. I have seen people trim
> the very front of the rear wheel well for extra clearance as the
> tire rotates into droop. Any more trimming will most likely get
> you up into the inner fenders. You may want to talk to a body
> shop.
> Ask on JU in the Grand Cherokee forum and you may find more real
> knowledge than I can give you.
> Ralph
>
> "Siade, Randy" wrote:
> >
> > This is not hard to do. With a 3.5" lift and 33s you should clear with very
> > minimal trimming if any at all. Your flairs a very flexible and what I have
> > done in the past is loosen them up on the ends pull them as far as they will
> > go, mark the fenders for the new mounting holes and the cut, remove the
> > flairs, trim the metal and drill new mounting holes, reinstall the flairs.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jayke Thorpe [mailto:jeepboy_3@y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 7:14 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Cutting the Wheel Wells
> >
> > > Has anybody ever cut wheel wells? I have a '98 ZJ
> > > and
> > > my wheel wells are plenty high, just not wide
> > > enough.
> > > I have 31x10.50's and I want to go to 33's. I have
> > > a
> > > 3.5" Rancho now. I really don't want to go much
> > > higher. So, is cutting my wheel well the answer? If
> > > so, what can I expect to pay for something like
> > > this?
> > > Thank You,
> > > Jayke Thorpe
> > >
> > > =====
> > > S. Jayke Thorpe
> > >
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> >
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45075 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 3:05am
Subject: I am haveing trouble uploading pics to the gallery??
Anyone else haveing problmes? After I upload, (yes it is a jpg. format) it gives me the web "page not avaialibe". I just did this like 2 weeks ago and was very proud of myself. ( I much more comfortable with a welder than a computer, bare with me) Now it is not working... I am hopeing it is still something funky with the AZVJC Web page/Yahoo service. But was wondering if I was alone in my dilemma...
TIA
John K
45076 From: rubberside_up309 <rubberside_up309@y...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 9:38am
Subject: Need two BFG Mudders
Hi All,
I am looking for two or three BFG MT's. The size I need is
31x10.50x15. Looking for some with a fair amount of tread still on
them. Please let me know what you have. Thanks for your time.
e-mail me @ robert.mcneeley@p...
Robert aka Fat Bob
45077 From: Robert McNeeley <robert.mcneeley@p...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 8:12am
Subject: Wave...
Hi all,
Just wanted to send out a wave to a big green jeep, TJ, with no top or doors
that was heading north on the I-10 yesterday at about 3:10. I was heading
south in a stock yellow TJ.
Robert aka Fat Bob
Robert McNeeley
Financial Intake Specialist
University of Phoenix Online
robert.mcneeley@p...
45078 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 4:33pm
Subject: Re: Pics from Rock Crawling on Sunday
Hey Ralph,
Just wanted to drop a note to say thanks for taking the time and putting that all together. Your pictures were great. I wasnt able to go and it was nice seeing my work and Sharky's jeep get abused, er, used.
Thanks Again
John K
"Hunter"
45079 From: David Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 8:16am
Subject: Any good trails on the way to Vegas?
I'm talking about Wickenburg either.
David R. W. Withers
Desk: 480.551.4667
Mobile: 480.215.6992
45080 From: weasel_ugs <weaselugs@h...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 10:14pm
Subject: vendor section not working?
nothing comes up when vendor section is selected in classifieds,is
that how we have it under control?lol Don
45081 From: gev39 <gev39@y...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 10:00am
Subject: [FS] '73 Jeep Wagoneer $1350 OBO runs, needs work (repost)
Contact Info: Russell Gevarter gev39@y... h623-465-2939 w602-
357-6210
Asking Price: $1350 obo
Classic 1973 Jeep Wagoneer. Great camping/tow rig.
AMC 360, 2bbl carb, headers, glasspacks, TH400 trans,
front d30 w/lockouts, rear d44, 3:73 ratio, Quatratrac (single
range), 29 gallon tank conversion, front springover, 32x11.5
Pathfinder ATR tires. Removable back seat.
Working electric rear window. 4WD works. Trailer hitch.
Has all its glass and lights, & it drives really nice, but needs some
new brake shoes,e-brake cable, engine work (to fix smoke from drivers
side exhaust)
Fuel guage does not work. All other guages are working.
This is a 'fixer upper' I have not had the money or time to devote.
Located in New River, AZ
It will be sold as is: no tags, no emmissions cert.
Here are some pics:
http://www.azvjc.org/pics/150_01914125555.jpg
http://www.azvjc.org/pics/150_01914125428.jpg
http://www.azvjc.org/pics/150_01914125155.jpg
http://www.azvjc.org/pics/150_01914125912.jpg
Must sell ASAP, Make me an offer : )
Russell
- Russell Gevarter
45082 From: jeepthang87yj <jeep_thang@h...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 7:48am
Subject: Re: OT Trivia Beer Drinkers
Don't know, I don't drink it. I drink the cheap stuff.
Sincerely: JEEP THANG
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Witt" <k7ant@t...> wrote:
> My local radio club here in the Heber/Overgaard area has it's mile
of highway on state route 260 to keep clean, (Rim Country Amateur
Radio Club Sponsorship). We usually do this three or four times a
year.
> Anyway, Of all the beer cans and bottles we pick up on every trip,
it seems that Bud Light is America's favorite beer to drink and then
throw the empty out the window. Consistently over the last 3 years,
90 to 98% of beer cans/bottles we pick up are Bud Light. As you drive
down the trail, and pick up the empties you see, I would suspect that
Bud Light is the hands down favorite or does drinking Bud Light make
you stupid?
> Bill W
> K7ANT
> 97 TJ with a few mods.
> http://k7ant.rockcrawler.com/
> Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and 4 wheeler's country.
45083 From: rick_logan2002 <rlogan@d...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 10:06am
Subject: YJ Coil Suspensions
are their any other coil suspensions beside procomp and black diamond
for a yj
45084 From: Eric Marble <emarble3@p...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 7:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: Burned Toyoya in Martinez Canyon
I may have a big trailer and a big jeep to tow it with available. I'll check
with Kerry and see if he can do it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "bermboy2000" <bermboy@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 1:04 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Burned Toyoya in Martinez Canyon
> Yeah, we saw that on Saturday when we went on Martinez, If I remember
> right its just after the first rocky section after the Cabins. Most
> likely would have to take it piece by piece. I'd be willing to help
> out. Anyone with a big trailer want to help????
>
> Scott Maiden
> 93 YJ SOA
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...> wrote:
> > See this thread on JeepsUnlimited BB:
> >
> > http://forums.jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/005585.html
> >
> > What do you folks think? Can we get it out? Seems like we might
> want to do
> > this one since Martinez is possibly on the endangered trails list.
> >
> > Chris K
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
45085 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 7:13pm
Subject: Re: Burned Toyota in Martinez Canyon
Sorry about the double post. I thought Yahoo ate my original message
Chris K
> From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:15:53 -0700
> To: Azvjc (E-mail) <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [az_vjc] Burned Toyota in Martinez Canyon
>
> Check out this thread on the JeepsUnlimited BB:
>
> http://forums.jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/005585.html
>
> Read the comments also in the thread about legality of pulling it out.
>
> Since this is my favorite trail, I hate to see it trashed. It almost
> looks like someone was out wheeling, their truck burned, they stripped
> the good bits, and then left the carcass to rot.
>
> Think we can do something about this?
>
> Chris K
>
>
>
>
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>
>
45086 From: J & P Visic <jpvisic@n...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 7:11pm
Subject: Re: Re: (MS) Blue TJ with snorkel + mucho mods
Ya know. I didn't know how to describe the blue, but alas, it was smurf
blue. Now I know what you guys are talking about. One head-turnin' smurf
blue jeep.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "paparoach85251" <lespaparoach@m...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 10:58 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: (MS) Blue TJ with snorkel + mucho mods
> If it was smurf blue it was probably Chris K.
>
> He hee!!!:)
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "J & P Visic" <jpvisic@n...> wrote:
> > Saw your jeep in a parking lot of 1300 block on N. Alma School Rd.
> in Chandler. Very Nice. Here's your wave.
> >
> > John Visic
>
>
>
>
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45087 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 7:28pm
Subject: Re: Re: Burned Toyoya in Martinez Canyon
I didnt even think to get the VIN, did anyone else? This truck is completely stripped, no axles, t-case, etc etc. It is an awful eyesore on that trail.
Scott "Iron" Maiden
93 Green YJ SOA
01 GSX-R 750....o~`o
http://www.scottmaiden.gixxer.com
bermboy@hotmail.com
>From: "Eric Marble"
>To: , "bermboy2000"
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Burned Toyoya in Martinez Canyon
>Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:22:10 -0700
>
>I may have a big trailer and a big jeep to tow it with available. I'll check
>with Kerry and see if he can do it.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "bermboy2000"
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 1:04 PM
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Burned Toyoya in Martinez Canyon
>
>
> > Yeah, we saw that on Saturday when we went on Martinez, If I remember
> > right its just after the first rocky section after the Cabins. Most
> > likely would have to take it piece by piece. I'd be willing to help
> > out. Anyone with a big trailer want to help????
> >
> > Scott Maiden
> > 93 YJ SOA
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., Chris Krieg wrote:
> > > See this thread on JeepsUnlimited BB:
> > >
> > > http://forums.jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/005585.html
> > >
> > > What do you folks think? Can we get it out? Seems like we might
> > want to do
> > > this one since Martinez is possibly on the endangered trails list.
> > >
> > > Chris K
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
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45088 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 5:33pm
Subject: Re: Re: OT Trivia Beer Drinkers
I once read a hypothetical story about archeologists that do a dig on human civilization 1000 years from now, and they figure out that we must have worshipped the God of BudLight because his symbol is every where. Sad, but true in way. Not the legacy I wouldlike to leave behind.
Your anaylsis might be correct Bill
john k
45064 From: Shawn Passmore <smpassmore@e...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 5:58pm
Subject: Re: Re: Burned Toyoya in Martinez Canyon
I have a Dodge fullsize and a 4x8 trailer, and a sawzall!!!!!
If we can get it setup for Sunday, I would love too help.
Shawn Passmore
jeepcj5nut
----- Original Message -----
From: "bermboy2000" <bermboy@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 1:04 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Burned Toyoya in Martinez Canyon
> Yeah, we saw that on Saturday when we went on Martinez, If I remember
> right its just after the first rocky section after the Cabins. Most
> likely would have to take it piece by piece. I'd be willing to help
> out. Anyone with a big trailer want to help????
>
> Scott Maiden
> 93 YJ SOA
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...> wrote:
> > See this thread on JeepsUnlimited BB:
> >
> > http://forums.jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/005585.html
> >
> > What do you folks think? Can we get it out? Seems like we might
> want to do
> > this one since Martinez is possibly on the endangered trails list.
> >
> > Chris K
>
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45065 From: Ralph Williams <ralphbw@q...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 6:29pm
Subject: Re: Cutting the Wheel Wells
He is talking about a ZJ, a little more involved than on a TJ. I
think you can fold the lip of the wheel well over fairly easily.
This will give you some extra clearance. I have seen people trim
the very front of the rear wheel well for extra clearance as the
tire rotates into droop. Any more trimming will most likely get
you up into the inner fenders. You may want to talk to a body
shop.
Ask on JU in the Grand Cherokee forum and you may find more real
knowledge than I can give you.
Ralph
"Siade, Randy" wrote:
>
> This is not hard to do. With a 3.5" lift and 33s you should clear with very
> minimal trimming if any at all. Your flairs a very flexible and what I have
> done in the past is loosen them up on the ends pull them as far as they will
> go, mark the fenders for the new mounting holes and the cut, remove the
> flairs, trim the metal and drill new mounting holes, reinstall the flairs.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jayke Thorpe [mailto:jeepboy_3@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 7:14 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Cutting the Wheel Wells
>
> > Has anybody ever cut wheel wells? I have a '98 ZJ
> > and
> > my wheel wells are plenty high, just not wide
> > enough.
> > I have 31x10.50's and I want to go to 33's. I have
> > a
> > 3.5" Rancho now. I really don't want to go much
> > higher. So, is cutting my wheel well the answer? If
> > so, what can I expect to pay for something like
> > this?
> > Thank You,
> > Jayke Thorpe
> >
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> >
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45066 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 3:07pm
Subject: [FS] Vendor Items Added
Hello Members of the AzVJC,
[Robert Massey] has just added some items to the Classified section of the AzVJC Website that may be of interest to you. To see these items Click Here or goto the website classifieds and select 'Vendor' from the list.
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
45067 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 7:33am
Subject: RE: The O word is bad Karma
Who is the Arizona Axlebreakers?
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 7:46 PM
To: Azvjc (E-mail)
Subject: [az_vjc] The O word is bad Karma
See what you O lovers did? Yahoo Groups is Down because their server
detected the O word too many times in one day which caused it to crash.
It's all your fault (oh, and it's also the fault of the Arizona Axlebreakers
cause... well... cause they exist) :)
Joe West
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45068 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 4:31pm
Subject: Re: Burned Toyoya in Martinez Canyon
I think we need to extract it as soon as possible. From the looks of it,
we'll need a torch to cut it up.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
To: "Virtual Jeep Club" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 5:24 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Burned Toyoya in Martinez Canyon
> See this thread on JeepsUnlimited BB:
>
> http://forums.jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/005585.html
>
> What do you folks think? Can we get it out? Seems like we might want to do
> this one since Martinez is possibly on the endangered trails list.
>
> Chris K
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
45069 From: <zukicrazy@a...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 1:36pm
Subject: 1987 4 runner 50$
i have a 4 runner all parts are there exept tranny engine rear axle and
trasfercase all glass is good everthing else in good cond 50$ you tow it 3
602-232-2084
45070 From: J & P Visic <jpvisic@n...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 6:51pm
Subject: Re: Trail runs next week
Robert,
The Florence Junction, Box Canyon, Martinez Canyon area is almost completely
state and federal land, with a little private land sprinkled around. To the
best of my knowledge access to the Federal land does not require a permit.
You can get a permit for the state land on the spot at the State Land
Department. I've been out there several times and never seen a posting, so
your best bet is to have a permit. Wish I could join you.
John Visic
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Holmes" <flamable_liquid@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 4:47 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Trail runs next week
> I have Spring break all next week so Im planning on lurking out in the FJ
> area. I was wondering if the State Trust land out there is promintly
marked
> to ill know whether or not to enter. Im planning on just running Box
Canyon
> next wendsday and ive never seen any signs so im curious if they exist
>
> Is anyone else free next wendsday who wants to come
>
>
>
> ~Robert Holmes
>
>
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45071 From: Jayke Thorpe <jeepboy_3@y...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 4:28pm
Subject: Re: Burned Toyoya in Martinez Canyon
My 98' ZJ, locked front and rear, 360 engine, might be
able to give it a yank.
--- Robert Holmes <flamable_liquid@h...> wrote:
> Well we can sure as hell try. Ill be out in that
> area on wendsday of next
> week and possibly Thursday. The picture didnt come
> through but it sounds
> like its not a trailer job, especailly in that area.
> This is one of those
> times a flatbed Unimog and a small 4x4 crane would
> be handy :) I dont have a
> vehicle capable of moving very much... well vehicle
> but Ill donate man power
> if nothing else. A portable cutting torch might be
> handy too but like I said
> ill go check it out wendsday as im off School all
> next week
>
>
> >From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
> >To: Virtual Jeep Club <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: [az_vjc] Burned Toyoya in Martinez Canyon
> >Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 17:24:31 -0700
> >
> >See this thread on JeepsUnlimited BB:
> >
>
>http://forums.jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/005585.html
> >
> >What do you folks think? Can we get it out? Seems
> like we might want to do
> >this one since Martinez is possibly on the
> endangered trails list.
> >
> >Chris K
> >
> >
> >
> >
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45072 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 7:47am
Subject: RE: ?????????????
yep. There has not been the usual activity.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jayke Thorpe [mailto:jeepboy_3@y...]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 2:12 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] ?????????????
Is this coming thru? I haven't seen any posts all
day. If it is, can you e-mail me directly and let me
know.
Thanks...
Jayke Thorpe
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45073 From: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 3:57pm
Subject: RE: Burned Toyoya in Martinez Canyon
If I don't have to work I'll go.
Clint
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 11:01 AM
To: Chris Krieg
Cc: Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Burned Toyoya in Martinez Canyon
I'll help. We definitely want to get that out of there. If it was
stolen and abandoned there, then I don't feel that reflects on us
wheelers. But if some wheeler left it there, then it does. In either
case, there's no telling what others (gov't agancies, greenies, general
public) might think so we need to get that out of there ASAP.
We probably should report it and, if it is stolen, move it out of
Martinez Canyon to some point where the insurance company or BLM or
whoever can get to it.
If the JU guys want to donate money, let's take it and then send it to
the ASA4WDC or the Blue Ribbon Coalition or some other related charity.
-Roger
Chris Krieg wrote:
>
> See this thread on JeepsUnlimited BB:
>
> http://forums.jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/005585.html
>
> What do you folks think? Can we get it out? Seems like we might want
to do
> this one since Martinez is possibly on the endangered trails list.
>
> Chris K
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45074 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 8:38pm
Subject: Re: Cutting the Wheel Wells
You can do it with very litle inside wheel well trimming if you run
33x9.50s on the stock wheels, but don't take it on ay trails! Any wider
of a tire and you will have to lift it at least to 4.5". I think 6" is
more like it for 33" tires. The added lift gives the tires some place to
go.
Linda
Ralph Williams wrote:
>
> He is talking about a ZJ, a little more involved than on a TJ. I
> think you can fold the lip of the wheel well over fairly easily.
> This will give you some extra clearance. I have seen people trim
> the very front of the rear wheel well for extra clearance as the
> tire rotates into droop. Any more trimming will most likely get
> you up into the inner fenders. You may want to talk to a body
> shop.
> Ask on JU in the Grand Cherokee forum and you may find more real
> knowledge than I can give you.
> Ralph
>
> "Siade, Randy" wrote:
> >
> > This is not hard to do. With a 3.5" lift and 33s you should clear with very
> > minimal trimming if any at all. Your flairs a very flexible and what I have
> > done in the past is loosen them up on the ends pull them as far as they will
> > go, mark the fenders for the new mounting holes and the cut, remove the
> > flairs, trim the metal and drill new mounting holes, reinstall the flairs.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jayke Thorpe [mailto:jeepboy_3@y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 7:14 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Cutting the Wheel Wells
> >
> > > Has anybody ever cut wheel wells? I have a '98 ZJ
> > > and
> > > my wheel wells are plenty high, just not wide
> > > enough.
> > > I have 31x10.50's and I want to go to 33's. I have
> > > a
> > > 3.5" Rancho now. I really don't want to go much
> > > higher. So, is cutting my wheel well the answer? If
> > > so, what can I expect to pay for something like
> > > this?
> > > Thank You,
> > > Jayke Thorpe
> > >
> > > =====
> > > S. Jayke Thorpe
> > >
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> >
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> >
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45075 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 3:05am
Subject: I am haveing trouble uploading pics to the gallery??
Anyone else haveing problmes? After I upload, (yes it is a jpg. format) it gives me the web "page not avaialibe". I just did this like 2 weeks ago and was very proud of myself. ( I much more comfortable with a welder than a computer, bare with me) Now it is not working... I am hopeing it is still something funky with the AZVJC Web page/Yahoo service. But was wondering if I was alone in my dilemma...
TIA
John K
45076 From: rubberside_up309 <rubberside_up309@y...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 9:38am
Subject: Need two BFG Mudders
Hi All,
I am looking for two or three BFG MT's. The size I need is
31x10.50x15. Looking for some with a fair amount of tread still on
them. Please let me know what you have. Thanks for your time.
e-mail me @ robert.mcneeley@p...
Robert aka Fat Bob
45077 From: Robert McNeeley <robert.mcneeley@p...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 8:12am
Subject: Wave...
Hi all,
Just wanted to send out a wave to a big green jeep, TJ, with no top or doors
that was heading north on the I-10 yesterday at about 3:10. I was heading
south in a stock yellow TJ.
Robert aka Fat Bob
Robert McNeeley
Financial Intake Specialist
University of Phoenix Online
robert.mcneeley@p...
45078 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 4:33pm
Subject: Re: Pics from Rock Crawling on Sunday
Hey Ralph,
Just wanted to drop a note to say thanks for taking the time and putting that all together. Your pictures were great. I wasnt able to go and it was nice seeing my work and Sharky's jeep get abused, er, used.
Thanks Again
John K
"Hunter"
45079 From: David Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 8:16am
Subject: Any good trails on the way to Vegas?
I'm talking about Wickenburg either.
David R. W. Withers
Desk: 480.551.4667
Mobile: 480.215.6992
45080 From: weasel_ugs <weaselugs@h...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 10:14pm
Subject: vendor section not working?
nothing comes up when vendor section is selected in classifieds,is
that how we have it under control?lol Don
45081 From: gev39 <gev39@y...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 10:00am
Subject: [FS] '73 Jeep Wagoneer $1350 OBO runs, needs work (repost)
Contact Info: Russell Gevarter gev39@y... h623-465-2939 w602-
357-6210
Asking Price: $1350 obo
Classic 1973 Jeep Wagoneer. Great camping/tow rig.
AMC 360, 2bbl carb, headers, glasspacks, TH400 trans,
front d30 w/lockouts, rear d44, 3:73 ratio, Quatratrac (single
range), 29 gallon tank conversion, front springover, 32x11.5
Pathfinder ATR tires. Removable back seat.
Working electric rear window. 4WD works. Trailer hitch.
Has all its glass and lights, & it drives really nice, but needs some
new brake shoes,e-brake cable, engine work (to fix smoke from drivers
side exhaust)
Fuel guage does not work. All other guages are working.
This is a 'fixer upper' I have not had the money or time to devote.
Located in New River, AZ
It will be sold as is: no tags, no emmissions cert.
Here are some pics:
http://www.azvjc.org/pics/150_01914125555.jpg
http://www.azvjc.org/pics/150_01914125428.jpg
http://www.azvjc.org/pics/150_01914125155.jpg
http://www.azvjc.org/pics/150_01914125912.jpg
Must sell ASAP, Make me an offer : )
Russell
- Russell Gevarter
45082 From: jeepthang87yj <jeep_thang@h...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 7:48am
Subject: Re: OT Trivia Beer Drinkers
Don't know, I don't drink it. I drink the cheap stuff.
Sincerely: JEEP THANG
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Witt" <k7ant@t...> wrote:
> My local radio club here in the Heber/Overgaard area has it's mile
of highway on state route 260 to keep clean, (Rim Country Amateur
Radio Club Sponsorship). We usually do this three or four times a
year.
> Anyway, Of all the beer cans and bottles we pick up on every trip,
it seems that Bud Light is America's favorite beer to drink and then
throw the empty out the window. Consistently over the last 3 years,
90 to 98% of beer cans/bottles we pick up are Bud Light. As you drive
down the trail, and pick up the empties you see, I would suspect that
Bud Light is the hands down favorite or does drinking Bud Light make
you stupid?
> Bill W
> K7ANT
> 97 TJ with a few mods.
> http://k7ant.rockcrawler.com/
> Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and 4 wheeler's country.
45083 From: rick_logan2002 <rlogan@d...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 10:06am
Subject: YJ Coil Suspensions
are their any other coil suspensions beside procomp and black diamond
for a yj
45084 From: Eric Marble <emarble3@p...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 7:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: Burned Toyoya in Martinez Canyon
I may have a big trailer and a big jeep to tow it with available. I'll check
with Kerry and see if he can do it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "bermboy2000" <bermboy@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 1:04 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Burned Toyoya in Martinez Canyon
> Yeah, we saw that on Saturday when we went on Martinez, If I remember
> right its just after the first rocky section after the Cabins. Most
> likely would have to take it piece by piece. I'd be willing to help
> out. Anyone with a big trailer want to help????
>
> Scott Maiden
> 93 YJ SOA
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...> wrote:
> > See this thread on JeepsUnlimited BB:
> >
> > http://forums.jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/005585.html
> >
> > What do you folks think? Can we get it out? Seems like we might
> want to do
> > this one since Martinez is possibly on the endangered trails list.
> >
> > Chris K
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
45085 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 7:13pm
Subject: Re: Burned Toyota in Martinez Canyon
Sorry about the double post. I thought Yahoo ate my original message
Chris K
> From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:15:53 -0700
> To: Azvjc (E-mail) <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [az_vjc] Burned Toyota in Martinez Canyon
>
> Check out this thread on the JeepsUnlimited BB:
>
> http://forums.jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/005585.html
>
> Read the comments also in the thread about legality of pulling it out.
>
> Since this is my favorite trail, I hate to see it trashed. It almost
> looks like someone was out wheeling, their truck burned, they stripped
> the good bits, and then left the carcass to rot.
>
> Think we can do something about this?
>
> Chris K
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
45086 From: J & P Visic <jpvisic@n...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 7:11pm
Subject: Re: Re: (MS) Blue TJ with snorkel + mucho mods
Ya know. I didn't know how to describe the blue, but alas, it was smurf
blue. Now I know what you guys are talking about. One head-turnin' smurf
blue jeep.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "paparoach85251" <lespaparoach@m...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 10:58 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: (MS) Blue TJ with snorkel + mucho mods
> If it was smurf blue it was probably Chris K.
>
> He hee!!!:)
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "J & P Visic" <jpvisic@n...> wrote:
> > Saw your jeep in a parking lot of 1300 block on N. Alma School Rd.
> in Chandler. Very Nice. Here's your wave.
> >
> > John Visic
>
>
>
>
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>
>
45087 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 7:28pm
Subject: Re: Re: Burned Toyoya in Martinez Canyon
I didnt even think to get the VIN, did anyone else? This truck is completely stripped, no axles, t-case, etc etc. It is an awful eyesore on that trail.
Scott "Iron" Maiden
93 Green YJ SOA
01 GSX-R 750....o~`o
http://www.scottmaiden.gixxer.com
bermboy@hotmail.com
>From: "Eric Marble"
>To: , "bermboy2000"
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Burned Toyoya in Martinez Canyon
>Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:22:10 -0700
>
>I may have a big trailer and a big jeep to tow it with available. I'll check
>with Kerry and see if he can do it.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "bermboy2000"
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 1:04 PM
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Burned Toyoya in Martinez Canyon
>
>
> > Yeah, we saw that on Saturday when we went on Martinez, If I remember
> > right its just after the first rocky section after the Cabins. Most
> > likely would have to take it piece by piece. I'd be willing to help
> > out. Anyone with a big trailer want to help????
> >
> > Scott Maiden
> > 93 YJ SOA
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., Chris Krieg wrote:
> > > See this thread on JeepsUnlimited BB:
> > >
> > > http://forums.jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum37/HTML/005585.html
> > >
> > > What do you folks think? Can we get it out? Seems like we might
> > want to do
> > > this one since Martinez is possibly on the endangered trails list.
> > >
> > > Chris K
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
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45088 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Tue Mar 5, 2002 5:33pm
Subject: Re: Re: OT Trivia Beer Drinkers
I once read a hypothetical story about archeologists that do a dig on human civilization 1000 years from now, and they figure out that we must have worshipped the God of BudLight because his symbol is every where. Sad, but true in way. Not the legacy I wouldlike to leave behind.
Your anaylsis might be correct Bill
john k