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44587-44611
44587 From: Eric Marble <emarble3@p...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 8:44pm
Subject: Re: My final post......(please read)
I can confirm the mouth thing... :o)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
> That could be very dangerous for me. :-)) I can't keep my mouth shut.
>
> Clay
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>
> To: "'scramzilla'" <allvol@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:21 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
>
>
> > I hope you continue to lurk and post. It doesn't hurt to shake up the
> > group a little.
> >
> > Later,
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scramzilla [mailto:allvol@c...]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:08 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
> >
> >
> > I would like to thank all the people that took the time to respond to
> > the messages that I have posted over the last few days. I have
> > learned a lot and have made several new friends. Other than a
> > miss/cross post that I had with Stu and the two people that hate me
> > (and I hate them)<Not you Stu :-))) Every single post that I
> > received, (hundreds of them), were all positive for the most part and
> > that is amazing........ I am now going back to posting on my own
> > boards and let the chips fall where they may with regards to what all
> > of "you" decide to do with "your" Club. I was very much an outsider
> > here but many of you have made me feel welcomed and for that I am
> > grateful.
> >
> > Happy Trails,
> >
> > Clay Forrester
> >
> > PS: My email is allvol@c... You can send me an email any time any
> > I will get back to you as soon as possible. I will be subscribed to
> > this message board the rest of the night but after that, I think that
> > I should move on.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Zilla
> >
> >
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44588 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 8:34pm
Subject: RE: My final post......(please read)
You, me, Joe W, and David W included.
LOL
I better take some pills now. My fingers are sore and I've stirred up
enough BS for one night. I wonder why the wife hasn't come and told me
that my daily playtime is over yet? Wait til she sees what I've done,
I'll be in big trouble for sure.
Hehe
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Clay Forrester [mailto:allvol@c...]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:29 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Scott Kruize
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
That could be very dangerous for me. :-)) I can't keep my mouth shut.
Clay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>
To: "'scramzilla'" <allvol@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:21 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
> I hope you continue to lurk and post. It doesn't hurt to shake up the
> group a little.
>
> Later,
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scramzilla [mailto:allvol@c...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:08 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
>
>
> I would like to thank all the people that took the time to respond to
> the messages that I have posted over the last few days. I have learned
> a lot and have made several new friends. Other than a miss/cross post
> that I had with Stu and the two people that hate me (and I hate
> them)<Not you Stu :-))) Every single post that I received, (hundreds
> of them), were all positive for the most part and that is
> amazing........ I am now going back to posting on my own boards and
> let the chips fall where they may with regards to what all of "you"
> decide to do with "your" Club. I was very much an outsider here but
> many of you have made me feel welcomed and for that I am grateful.
>
> Happy Trails,
>
> Clay Forrester
>
> PS: My email is allvol@c... You can send me an email any time any I
> will get back to you as soon as possible. I will be subscribed to this
> message board the rest of the night but after that, I think that I
> should move on.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Zilla
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>
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44589 From: Clay Forrester <allvol@c...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 8:34pm
Subject: Re: My final post......(please read)
Ssssssssssssssptptptptptptptptpt :-)~~~~~~~~
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Marble" <EMarble3@p...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>;
"Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
> I can confirm the mouth thing... :o)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
>
>
> > That could be very dangerous for me. :-)) I can't keep my mouth shut.
> >
> > Clay
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>
> > To: "'scramzilla'" <allvol@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:21 PM
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
> >
> >
> > > I hope you continue to lurk and post. It doesn't hurt to shake up the
> > > group a little.
> > >
> > > Later,
> > >
> > > Scott K
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: scramzilla [mailto:allvol@c...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:08 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
> > >
> > >
> > > I would like to thank all the people that took the time to respond to
> > > the messages that I have posted over the last few days. I have
> > > learned a lot and have made several new friends. Other than a
> > > miss/cross post that I had with Stu and the two people that hate me
> > > (and I hate them)<Not you Stu :-))) Every single post that I
> > > received, (hundreds of them), were all positive for the most part and
> > > that is amazing........ I am now going back to posting on my own
> > > boards and let the chips fall where they may with regards to what all
> > > of "you" decide to do with "your" Club. I was very much an outsider
> > > here but many of you have made me feel welcomed and for that I am
> > > grateful.
> > >
> > > Happy Trails,
> > >
> > > Clay Forrester
> > >
> > > PS: My email is allvol@c... You can send me an email any time any
> > > I will get back to you as soon as possible. I will be subscribed to
> > > this message board the rest of the night but after that, I think that
> > > I should move on.
> > >
> > > Thanks again,
> > >
> > > Zilla
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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44590 From: Clay Forrester <allvol@c...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 8:35pm
Subject: Re: My final post......(please read)
Take care, It's been nice posting with ya!
Clay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>
To: "'Clay Forrester'" <allvol@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:34 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
> You, me, Joe W, and David W included.
>
> LOL
>
> I better take some pills now. My fingers are sore and I've stirred up
> enough BS for one night. I wonder why the wife hasn't come and told me
> that my daily playtime is over yet? Wait til she sees what I've done,
> I'll be in big trouble for sure.
>
> Hehe
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clay Forrester [mailto:allvol@c...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:29 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Scott Kruize
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
>
>
> That could be very dangerous for me. :-)) I can't keep my mouth shut.
>
> Clay
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>
> To: "'scramzilla'" <allvol@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:21 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
>
>
> > I hope you continue to lurk and post. It doesn't hurt to shake up the
> > group a little.
> >
> > Later,
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scramzilla [mailto:allvol@c...]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:08 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
> >
> >
> > I would like to thank all the people that took the time to respond to
> > the messages that I have posted over the last few days. I have learned
>
> > a lot and have made several new friends. Other than a miss/cross post
> > that I had with Stu and the two people that hate me (and I hate
> > them)<Not you Stu :-))) Every single post that I received, (hundreds
> > of them), were all positive for the most part and that is
> > amazing........ I am now going back to posting on my own boards and
> > let the chips fall where they may with regards to what all of "you"
> > decide to do with "your" Club. I was very much an outsider here but
> > many of you have made me feel welcomed and for that I am grateful.
> >
> > Happy Trails,
> >
> > Clay Forrester
> >
> > PS: My email is allvol@c... You can send me an email any time any I
>
> > will get back to you as soon as possible. I will be subscribed to this
>
> > message board the rest of the night but after that, I think that I
> > should move on.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Zilla
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
44591 From: <mbailey345@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 3:39pm
Subject: Re: Re: Organized Clubs
MIke,
I run with a organized club. I've seen both sides of this. Believe me, i
agree with some of the people, organazation creates alot of BS in itself. Add
the egos, etc,etc, and you start to wonder why the hell you joined a club in
the first place.
On the other hand, if it were not for the organized club members on this
list, I think alot of the issues that deal with land clousures, state land
permits, etc, would go unnoticed. I see alot of posts to this site, from
organized club members, informing the list about all the stuf going on. So, I
think each view on this issue has a good points, and bad points.
I've been to some of the BLM (Buera of Lumber and Mines) meetings and heard
some of the dumbest **** come out of blms mouth. They actually used the
criteria of grass growing between the tire trails as proof that the trail is
unused. Had it not been for organized clubs being present at these meetings,
they might have gotten away with it.
The state land permit is another issue. In my view, they just want people to
call this lady to inform her of trips going out on state land so they can
keep track fo how many people use these trails and who they are. Then when
the trail gets screwed up, they have some group to blame.. Just my 2 cents.
And this land use permit, whether you buy it individual or through the club
dues, only covers you (family if you buy iut individually), so if you have a
passenger witth you, he better have his own. I've heard the state, in the
next few years, is going to go as far as to try and confiscate vehicles. May
be off the wall, but the writing is there.
Organazation gives you number in force. If people don't belive it, just look
at what the eco warriors are doing.
Keep up the good work, and keep shaking the coals.
Mike
Low enviormental impact wheeling; a eco warrior on my bumper
44592 From: wishmaaker <wishmaaker@y...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 8:41pm
Subject: Okay now for a repair question? I mean that is if...
My zippers on my soft top suck. I have lost two zippers ( good thing
its getting warmer out) I have seen posts in that past the members
recommended other members to see someone in the east valley for the
repairs. I need to know where that place is.
TIA
~machew
44593 From: Clay Forrester <allvol@c...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 8:41pm
Subject: Re: Re: Organized Clubs
Absolutely brilliant post!!!!!! I agree with every word you said!!!!!!!
Clubs can be two headed monsters but they do a lot of good.
Clay
----- Original Message -----
From: <mbailey345@a...>
To: <azvjc@a...>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Organized Clubs
> MIke,
> I run with a organized club. I've seen both sides of this. Believe me, i
> agree with some of the people, organazation creates alot of BS in itself.
Add
> the egos, etc,etc, and you start to wonder why the hell you joined a club
in
> the first place.
>
> On the other hand, if it were not for the organized club members on this
> list, I think alot of the issues that deal with land clousures, state land
> permits, etc, would go unnoticed. I see alot of posts to this site, from
> organized club members, informing the list about all the stuf going on.
So, I
> think each view on this issue has a good points, and bad points.
>
> I've been to some of the BLM (Buera of Lumber and Mines) meetings and
heard
> some of the dumbest **** come out of blms mouth. They actually used the
> criteria of grass growing between the tire trails as proof that the trail
is
> unused. Had it not been for organized clubs being present at these
meetings,
> they might have gotten away with it.
>
> The state land permit is another issue. In my view, they just want people
to
> call this lady to inform her of trips going out on state land so they can
> keep track fo how many people use these trails and who they are. Then when
> the trail gets screwed up, they have some group to blame.. Just my 2
cents.
>
> And this land use permit, whether you buy it individual or through the
club
> dues, only covers you (family if you buy iut individually), so if you have
a
> passenger witth you, he better have his own. I've heard the state, in the
> next few years, is going to go as far as to try and confiscate vehicles.
May
> be off the wall, but the writing is there.
>
> Organazation gives you number in force. If people don't belive it, just
look
> at what the eco warriors are doing.
> Keep up the good work, and keep shaking the coals.
>
> Mike
> Low enviormental impact wheeling; a eco warrior on my bumper
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>
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44594 From: joeldavid_m <joeldavid_m@y...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 8:45pm
Subject: Re: Thanks (more)
If that is so why would you want to limit yourself by being a "real
club"? I am new to wheeling and love az vjc just the way it is,
I've meet a couple people to go wheeling with and have gotten info
that has helped me work on my jeep. I have every intention of
joining asa4wdc as I know the importance of suporting those that
fight for your right to recreation. I'm also a rock climber hunter
and fly fisher man and all of these pursuits have varring acess
issues so this is not an isolated problem. I feel that az vjc
serves it's purpose as a meeting place and a place to exchange ideas
perfectly and asa4wdc ,at least in the eyes of a newcomer, serves
it's purpose to educate and to protect our privlage to use land for
recreational pursuits.Thats my two cents leave it the way it is and
please suport an orginization that is dedicated to fighting for land
use.
Joel M
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...> wrote:
> It's true.
>
> Clay Forrester
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ross Skinner
> To: AZVJC (E-mail)
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:48 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks (more)
>
>
> On one of the pervious threads someone mentioned that the clubs
were limited to two runs a month on state lands...maybe that is not
true but I would not be surprised if it is.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred [mailto:fredtj@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:49 AM
> Cc: AZVJC (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks (more)
>
>
> Did I miss something (obviously), as this "Thanks" thread got
long, so I didn't read the last several hundred ;)
> Anyway *what* State Limitations are we talking about ??
>
> Cheers,
> Fred
>
>
> Ross Skinner wrote:
>
> After hearing some of the LIMITATIONS being placed upon the clubs
by theState and I am sure the Feds are not far behind...I am
alarmed...who in thehell rolled over and let themselves be boxed in
like that. You are notusing state lands for profit...where is there
an ordinance allowing themthat kind of control?If you don't think
this is not a methodical effort to get your accessultimately removed
or severely limited ...lets say one run a quarter..I havea bridge to
sell you.Yes, clubs can be fun and can focus activism to better
influencebureaucrats, but, it is looking like the usual closed
cliques (you know,care more, know more, better, smarter and so on)
are forming and are doingthings that may not be in the best interest
of our use of our lands. Again,I am not sure of this but it seems to
be a consistent outcome of groups likethis. Now it is our
responsibility as independents to do things and
> say thingsthat represent a broader reality of our desires then
what some smallcliquish clubs think.This has been an interesting
discussion.Ross-----Original Message-----From: Clay Forrester
[mailto:allvol@c...]Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:07 AMTo:
az_vjc@y...; akamofoeSubject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks (more)What
will end up happing is that your land (private property) would be
thelast to go.....that's all. The rest of the public State land and
the rest ofthe country would lose theirs. I for one do not want to
go wheelin' in thesame area over and over and over................Do
you? If we lose theclubs, we lose it allClay----- Original Message --
---From: "akamofoe" <akamoefo@h...>To: <az_vjc@y...>Sent: Wednesday,
February 27, 2002 10:17 PMSubject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks (more)I've
been wheel'n for more than 20 years now and have never been amember
of a club that collects dues. It's always been a good group
offriends, their friends, etc.. Don't get me wrong, I agree that
thoseclubs (or organizations) that are collecting money (I mean
dues) areusing them for good purposes, keeping our lands open.But I
had an Idea. Why don't we get together and start a non-
profitorganization, collect donations (tax deductible), contact a
couple ofthe Big Three Dealers, some Magazines, etc.. With all
thosecontributions we could go out and purchase our own land and
open ourown OHV area. Select a couple of area groups to head a panel
tooversee OUR LANDS.Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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44595 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 8:46pm
Subject: Re: My final post......(please read)
Happy trails then
Chris K
On Thursday, February 28, 2002, at 09:27 PM, Clay Forrester wrote:
> No no....No one has made me feel like I should leave.....I just think
> I'm
> too bias in my stanch opinion that everyone should be involved in some
> way
> or another (most of you are)........ and especially the $25.00 a year to
> ASA. I think if I keep posting here and sticking my nose back in this
> issue,
> it could do more harm that good.......and I just could not help
> myself. :-)
>
> Clay
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
> To: "scramzilla" <allvol@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
>
>
>> Don't feel you have to leave. The info you posted can help people and
> that's
>> a good thing.
>>
>> You are welcome here
>>
>> Chris K
>>
>>> From: "scramzilla" <allvol@c...>
>>> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 04:07:37 -0000
>>> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
>>>
>>> I would like to thank all the people that took the time to respond to
>>> the messages that I have posted over the last few days. I have
>>> learned a lot and have made several new friends. Other than a
>>> miss/cross post that I had with Stu and the two people that hate me
>>> (and I hate them)<Not you Stu :-))) Every single post that I
>>> received, (hundreds of them), were all positive for the most part and
>>> that is amazing........ I am now going back to posting on my own
>>> boards and let the chips fall where they may with regards to what all
>>> of "you" decide to do with "your" Club. I was very much an outsider
>>> here but many of you have made me feel welcomed and for that I am
>>> grateful.
>>>
>>> Happy Trails,
>>>
>>> Clay Forrester
>>>
>>> PS: My email is allvol@c... You can send me an email any time any
>>> I will get back to you as soon as possible. I will be subscribed to
>>> this message board the rest of the night but after that, I think that
>>> I should move on.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>>
>>> Zilla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>>
>>>
>>
>
44596 From: Neal Han**** <azredrocker@y...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 8:50pm
Subject: Re: My final post......(please read)
MEEEEE TOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Eric Marble wrote:
I can confirm the mouth thing... :o)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clay Forrester"
To: ; "Scott Kruize"
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
> That could be very dangerous for me. :-)) I can't keep my mouth shut.
>
> Clay
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Kruize"
> To: "'scramzilla'" ;
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:21 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
>
>
> > I hope you continue to lurk and post. It doesn't hurt to shake up the
> > group a little.
> >
> > Later,
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scramzilla [mailto:allvol@cox.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:08 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
> >
> >
> > I would like to thank all the people that took the time to respond to
> > the messages that I have posted over the last few days. I have
> > learned a lot and have made several new friends. Other than a
> > miss/cross post that I had with Stu and the two people that hate me
> > (and I hate them)> > received, (hundreds of them), were all positive for the most part and
> > that is amazing........ I am now going back to posting on my own
> > boards and let the chips fall where they may with regards to what all
> > of "you" decide to do with "your" Club. I was very much an outsider
> > here but many of you have made me feel welcomed and for that I am
> > grateful.
> >
> > Happy Trails,
> >
> > Clay Forrester
> >
> > PS: My email is allvol@cox.net You can send me an email any time any
> > I will get back to you as soon as possible. I will be subscribed to
> > this message board the rest of the night but after that, I think that
> > I should move on.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Zilla
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
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44597 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 9:05pm
Subject: Mike C. - Personal memberships being discontinued
Mike,
You had mentioned in one of your post about ASA4WDC thinking about
discontinuing individual memberships.
This would be a serious marketing plunder. By this I mean it would alienate
people and more importantly funds away from ASA4WDC. Let's take for example
a freesbie, no one needs one but, they are kind of cool to have and other
people have them. Well now, if the only way to get a freesbie is to join a
club, how many people do you think would have a freesbie? If you continue on
up the line, if you had to belong to a club to get a freesbie and a
companies only income was from freesbie sales, what size do you think that
company would be?
We want, no we need a bigger company. So back to the original statement,
discontinuing personal membership would be a severe determent to our sport.
I know you did not make the statement you were just the messenger. I think
if someone were to say to me what you were told, I would tell them they need
to re-think their position for the good of all.
--James
44598 From: wishmaaker <wishmaaker@y...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 9:04pm
Subject: Cost Of hosting Azvjc
How much and who pays for Azvjc.org being hosted at CRYSTALTECH.COM?
44599 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 9:11pm
Subject: RE: A free Ride... was something about organization...
Joe,
I might be interested. Just so I know you are prepared. Are you keeping
a spare propeller, rudder, ailerons or extra landing gear. How about
some gerry cans for gas? I think if your are going to have any
passengers you will have to put a safari rack on top for your tools to
make room inside. I am sure you have onboard air already so you can run
the air tools to do any necessary in-flight repairs. ROTFLMAO!!!
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 4:51 PM
> To: 'Eric Marble'; 'Brian Hill'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; 'Chris Krieg'
> Subject: [az_vjc] A free Ride... was something about organization...
>
>
> Speaking of the skys...
>
> If anyone is interested in taking a plane ride, let me know.
> I have lots of practicing to do, and I'd just as soon take
> someone with me as not. Shoot me an email if you'd like to
> take a flight over FJ or the lakes or your house (assuming it
> isn't in class B airspace <grin>).
>
> No charge... just fun. I have parachutes if you get scared.
> <evil grin>
>
> Joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eric Marble [mailto:emarble3@p...]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 4:23 PM
> > To: Brian Hill; arizonajeep@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Chris
> > Krieg
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Organized Clubs
> >
> >
> > Rumor has it Joe's going to take his reading program to the
> skies to
> > reach more chillens.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
> > To: "Eric Marble" <EMarble3@p...>; "Brian Hill"
> > <brian@a...>; <arizonajeep@c...>;
> > <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 4:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Organized Clubs
> >
> >
> > > LMAO!!
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > > From: "Eric Marble" <EMarble3@p...>
> > > > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:08:20 -0700
> > > > To: "Brian Hill" <brian@a...>,
> <arizonajeep@c...>,
> > > > <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>, "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
> > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Organized Clubs
> > > >
> > > > If it wasn't for Joes Jeep how would the little ones
> > learn to read?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
> > > > To: "Brian Hill" <brian@a...>;
> <arizonajeep@c...>;
> > > > <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 3:46 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Organized Clubs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> OK, that is way beyond what is called for!
> > > >> Do you know Joe and how many people he has helped? If
> > not, Shut the
> > hell
> > > > up!
> > > >> Joe has contibuted more to this group than a large
> > majority of the
> > > > members.
> > > >> He will drop what he is doing to help a fellow Jeeper.
> > The fact that
> > you
> > > >> don't know this shows your ignorance.
> > > >> Losing Joe would be a major asset loss for this group.
> > If you don't
> > know
> > > >> that, you have a long way to go.
> > > >>
> > > >> Chris
> > > >>
> > > >>> From: "Brian Hill" <brian@a...>
> > > >>> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:35:53 -0700
> > > >>> To: arizonajeep@c..., "'Chatfield, Mike'"
> > <Mike@A...>,
> > > >>> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > >>> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Organized Clubs
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Promise?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>> From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
> > > >>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 3:09 PM
> > > >>> To: 'Chatfield, Mike'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > >>> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Organized Clubs
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Mike,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I'm not talking legal anything... I'm against ANYONE
> > who chooses to
> > > > divide
> > > >>> (shadow... whatever word you choose to use) the Arizona
> > Virtual Jeep
> > > > Club.
> > > >>> Unless you get a simple majority (1 vote greater than
> > half the current
> > > >>> membership count) voting for this shadow club... I will
> > believe that
> > it
> > > > was
> > > >>> the wrong thing to do. If you do manage to get a
> > simple majority for
> > > > this
> > > >>> new "real" club, I will believe that it was the right
> > thing for the
> > club
> > > > to
> > > >>> do... but the wrong thing for me... at which point I
> > will silently go
> > > > away.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I'm against it Mike, because I am all too familiar with the
> > divisiveness
> > > > of
> > > >>> "real" groups... Although you have put a great deal of
> > time into our
> > > > club
> > > >>> webpage, it does not authorize you to take our name and
> > give it to
> > > > another
> > > >>> group. Even the original six members voting for it
> > cannot authorize
> > > > this
> > > >>> change... there must be a majority vote for this to be
> > a fair and
> > honest
> > > >>> change.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The spirit of this club will change Mike... and there
> > is nothing you,
> > or
> > > >>> anyone else, will be able to do to stop it. We don't
> > need rules, or
> > > > bylaws,
> > > >>> or a board of directors and incorporation... You are
> > pressing for
> > > > change
> > > >>> which will ultimately redefine our group and I don't
> > want this to
> > > > happen.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Joe
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>> From: Chatfield, Mike [mailto:Mike@A...]
> > > >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:34 PM
> > > >>>> To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
> > > >>>> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Organized Clubs
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> And why is that? Are you saying that the AzVJC (a non
> > > >>>> entity) has legal
> > > >>>> right to the name "Arizona Virtual Jeep Club?" How
> can it, the
> > > >>>> AzVJC never incorporated, it doesn't exist legally
> so therefore
> > > >>>> it can't own anything
> > > >>>> (including the copyrighted webpages).
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Just something to think about.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> BTW, why are you (or anyone) so against it, if you
> don't want
> > > >>>> to be a part of the shadow club then don't. Nothing
> is going
> > > >>>> to change unless YOU make
> > > >>>> the choice to join the shadow and if you do IT IS
> YOUR CHOICE.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> - Mike
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>> From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
> > > >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:18 PM
> > > >>>> To: 'az_jeeper_mike'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > >>>> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Organized Clubs
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Feel free to create a separate club... I think that
> this is a
> > > >>>> good idea for those who need it... do not however, try to
> > > >>>> relate it to the
> > AZVJC....
> > > >>>> webmaster or not, this is not a decision you can
> make without
> > > >>>> everyone's authorization... and that you ain't gonna
> get. The
> > new club must be
> > > >>>> separate, and must not be liked to our current
> website any more
> > > >>>> than any other club currently is.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > >>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
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> > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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>
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44600 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 9:14pm
Subject: Re: My final post......(please read)
Clay,
Thanks for the input. Although, I haven't read 1/2 the post I know
your input was a good thing.
Please, when you go back to your club(s) and tell them there are
people at AzVJC that care. Check the ASA4WDC registration the number
of members may improve. What a pleasent surprise. Hats off to you if
they do.
Hope to meet you on the trail sometime. Until then, dumpadeeda,
dumpadeeda, dumpadeeda, dumpadeeda, Happy Trails to You.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "scramzilla" <allvol@c...> wrote:
> I would like to thank all the people that took the time to respond
to
> the messages that I have posted over the last few days. I have
> learned a lot and have made several new friends. Other than a
> miss/cross post that I had with Stu and the two people that hate me
> (and I hate them)<Not you Stu :-))) Every single post that I
> received, (hundreds of them), were all positive for the most part
and
> that is amazing........ I am now going back to posting on my own
> boards and let the chips fall where they may with regards to what
all
> of "you" decide to do with "your" Club. I was very much an outsider
> here but many of you have made me feel welcomed and for that I am
> grateful.
>
> Happy Trails,
>
> Clay Forrester
>
> PS: My email is allvol@c... You can send me an email any time any
> I will get back to you as soon as possible. I will be subscribed to
> this message board the rest of the night but after that, I think
that
> I should move on.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Zilla
44601 From: Mike Wixom <h8pvmnt@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 9:17pm
Subject: Heavy Duty Axles for a CJ
Does anyone have any experience with the superior front axles for a wide track Dana 30? Does anyone have any other recommendations for upgrading the axles. Any help/suggestions including parts sources would be appreciated.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7 (Stock Front Axles)
44602 From: Clay Forrester <allvol@c...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 9:46pm
Subject: Re: Re: My final post......(please read)
Thank you. And I hope I have done some good. I will pass the word to other
clubs the information that I have received. I too have learned a few things.
Clay Forrester
----- Original Message -----
From: "jetowle2000" <James.Towle@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:14 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: My final post......(please read)
> Clay,
>
> Thanks for the input. Although, I haven't read 1/2 the post I know
> your input was a good thing.
>
> Please, when you go back to your club(s) and tell them there are
> people at AzVJC that care. Check the ASA4WDC registration the number
> of members may improve. What a pleasent surprise. Hats off to you if
> they do.
>
> Hope to meet you on the trail sometime. Until then, dumpadeeda,
> dumpadeeda, dumpadeeda, dumpadeeda, Happy Trails to You.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "scramzilla" <allvol@c...> wrote:
> > I would like to thank all the people that took the time to respond
> to
> > the messages that I have posted over the last few days. I have
> > learned a lot and have made several new friends. Other than a
> > miss/cross post that I had with Stu and the two people that hate me
> > (and I hate them)<Not you Stu :-))) Every single post that I
> > received, (hundreds of them), were all positive for the most part
> and
> > that is amazing........ I am now going back to posting on my own
> > boards and let the chips fall where they may with regards to what
> all
> > of "you" decide to do with "your" Club. I was very much an outsider
> > here but many of you have made me feel welcomed and for that I am
> > grateful.
> >
> > Happy Trails,
> >
> > Clay Forrester
> >
> > PS: My email is allvol@c... You can send me an email any time any
> > I will get back to you as soon as possible. I will be subscribed to
> > this message board the rest of the night but after that, I think
> that
> > I should move on.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Zilla
>
>
>
>
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44603 From: <itsajeepthing28@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 5:02pm
Subject: Re: Organized Clubs
My official vote is a strong "NO" ... N.... O....
I may be speaking out of turn being that I've only joined within the past
month or two, but was really amazed with this site. DON'T RUIN A GOOD
THING!!!
If one site is being paid for and the other is not...hmm... gee... i wonder...
ONE IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE LEFT UNATTENDED!!!
You say we can make this easy and use PayPal... well, what about the people
that don't pay anything over the Internet. I made one exception myself, and
bought the club stickers, but that will be my first and last purchase over
the Internet.
If you want an organized club, do it completely separate from this one -
ABSOLUTELY NO LINK TO THIS ONE... YOU HAVE A "PERFECT" CLUB ALREADY!!!
Gary Oglesby
44604 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 10:04pm
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Friday, March 22, 2002 - Reminder
Hello All,
Gary Oglesby is leading an Unspecified trail run on Friday, March 22, 2002.
When: Meet @ 10am
Can meet later if needed!!! Can also meet you Saturday if you can't leave work in time...
Where: Ajo, Arizona
Meet @ Dairy Queen on Highway 85
Rating: None
Length: 2nights-Camping
CB Channel: 5
Let's have a weekend of camping and 4 wheeling. Should be great weather before it gets too hot!!! Friday and Saturday night we'll camp... We will go 4 wheeling as wanted, I have ideas for a couple runs then we can just mess around in the desert. Hiking/Exploring is definately an option!!! No water or electricity hookups... There are also just runs we can do without having to go into 4 wheel drive. Should be an easy weekend. Can definately do a lot of SAND!!! Probably 2.5 trail rating max. I'll say Ajo is about 2 hours from Downtown Phoenix...
My number (623) 694-9510. Please respond soon!!!!!!!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
44605 From: vpheiple <vpheiple@m...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 10:35pm
Subject: Uphill Battle
I moved to AZ a month ago, and was amazed to find that you still
have so much room to move, I came from the Northwest, where in the
last 10 years I have seen thousands of acres closed to both
recreational use and industry use, between owls, fish or just
unsightly trails, certain groups are just looking for reasons to
close public and even private lands to hunting, fishing and 4
wheeling. You should all feel lucky that you are able to wheel every
weekend because more than likely that won't be the case forever. I
have read all your posts and thank you for the info on how to help
keep these areas open.
Vern H.
44606 From: Casper <casper@c...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 10:52pm
Subject: XJ Front wheel hub and wheel bearings??
Hello Gang,
I have noise on my Drivers side wheel hub, and I am pretty sure that the bearing are shot and in need of replacements. My questions to you all are: Is it better to replace the bearing and seals in the original hub, or is it better to buy the hub complete? I know that it would be a whole lot easier to just change out the whole unit = the hub with the bearings and seals installed, but it is much more expensive than just the cost of the bearings and seals alone. I can get the bearings and seals from my local parts store, but I have never changed out a set of bearings and seals on an XJ front end hub, and don't know if it is possible to do it myself. Is it quite a job to do the bearings and seals? I have replaced other vehicles wheel bearings, but not on an XJ four wheel drive axle (front). The hub at Checker and AutoZone runs 143.00 to 149.00, where as the bearings and seals run in the range of 40.00 to 55.00 total. If it is not to hard of a job, I will do it myself, and hopefully save a little money. But, the simplicity of changing out the whole unit (hub with bearings installed), is a big Plus so far as time and ease. Any help with this will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Casper
44607 From: Chip Jones <bomsqd1@y...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 11:22pm
Subject: (MS) Mesa
White TJ at Alma School and University around 8:15pm. I wasn't in my Jeep. Here's your wave.
Chip
44608 From: Neal Han**** <azredrocker@y...>
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 4:58am
Subject: Re: Heavy Duty Axles for a CJ
dana 60's :)
Mike Wixom wrote:
Does anyone have any experience with the superior front axles for a wide track Dana 30? Does anyone have any other recommendations for upgrading the axles. Any help/suggestions including parts sources would be appreciated.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7 (Stock Front Axles)
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44609 From: Brian Hill <brian@a...>
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 5:22am
Subject: Nothin' like a day out wheelin'
Nothin like a day out wheelin with friends to make the day a little bit better!
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44610 From: Robert McNeeley <robert.mcneeley@p...>
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 5:22am
Subject: RE: Nothin' like a day out wheelin'
Thats a nice change from the previous day!
LOL
Fat Bob (Robert)
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Hill [mailto:brian@alacartephoto.com]
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 6:22 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Nothin' like a day out wheelin'
Nothin like a day out wheelin with friends to make the day a little bit better!
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44611 From: Brian Hill <brian@a...>
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 5:33am
Subject: Re: Nothin' like a day out wheelin'
Yeah! I figured I'd start the day off right today... Besides, it's Friday!
What are you doin' Bob? Goin wheelin' this weekend?
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert McNeeley
To: 'Brian Hill' ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 6:22 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Nothin' like a day out wheelin'
Thats a nice change from the previous day!
LOL
Fat Bob (Robert)
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Hill [mailto:brian@alacartephoto.com]
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 6:22 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Nothin' like a day out wheelin'
Nothin like a day out wheelin with friends to make the day a little bit better!
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44587 From: Eric Marble <emarble3@p...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 8:44pm
Subject: Re: My final post......(please read)
I can confirm the mouth thing... :o)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
> That could be very dangerous for me. :-)) I can't keep my mouth shut.
>
> Clay
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>
> To: "'scramzilla'" <allvol@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:21 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
>
>
> > I hope you continue to lurk and post. It doesn't hurt to shake up the
> > group a little.
> >
> > Later,
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scramzilla [mailto:allvol@c...]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:08 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
> >
> >
> > I would like to thank all the people that took the time to respond to
> > the messages that I have posted over the last few days. I have
> > learned a lot and have made several new friends. Other than a
> > miss/cross post that I had with Stu and the two people that hate me
> > (and I hate them)<Not you Stu :-))) Every single post that I
> > received, (hundreds of them), were all positive for the most part and
> > that is amazing........ I am now going back to posting on my own
> > boards and let the chips fall where they may with regards to what all
> > of "you" decide to do with "your" Club. I was very much an outsider
> > here but many of you have made me feel welcomed and for that I am
> > grateful.
> >
> > Happy Trails,
> >
> > Clay Forrester
> >
> > PS: My email is allvol@c... You can send me an email any time any
> > I will get back to you as soon as possible. I will be subscribed to
> > this message board the rest of the night but after that, I think that
> > I should move on.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Zilla
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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44588 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 8:34pm
Subject: RE: My final post......(please read)
You, me, Joe W, and David W included.
LOL
I better take some pills now. My fingers are sore and I've stirred up
enough BS for one night. I wonder why the wife hasn't come and told me
that my daily playtime is over yet? Wait til she sees what I've done,
I'll be in big trouble for sure.
Hehe
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Clay Forrester [mailto:allvol@c...]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:29 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Scott Kruize
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
That could be very dangerous for me. :-)) I can't keep my mouth shut.
Clay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>
To: "'scramzilla'" <allvol@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:21 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
> I hope you continue to lurk and post. It doesn't hurt to shake up the
> group a little.
>
> Later,
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scramzilla [mailto:allvol@c...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:08 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
>
>
> I would like to thank all the people that took the time to respond to
> the messages that I have posted over the last few days. I have learned
> a lot and have made several new friends. Other than a miss/cross post
> that I had with Stu and the two people that hate me (and I hate
> them)<Not you Stu :-))) Every single post that I received, (hundreds
> of them), were all positive for the most part and that is
> amazing........ I am now going back to posting on my own boards and
> let the chips fall where they may with regards to what all of "you"
> decide to do with "your" Club. I was very much an outsider here but
> many of you have made me feel welcomed and for that I am grateful.
>
> Happy Trails,
>
> Clay Forrester
>
> PS: My email is allvol@c... You can send me an email any time any I
> will get back to you as soon as possible. I will be subscribed to this
> message board the rest of the night but after that, I think that I
> should move on.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Zilla
>
>
>
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44589 From: Clay Forrester <allvol@c...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 8:34pm
Subject: Re: My final post......(please read)
Ssssssssssssssptptptptptptptptpt :-)~~~~~~~~
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Marble" <EMarble3@p...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>;
"Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
> I can confirm the mouth thing... :o)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
>
>
> > That could be very dangerous for me. :-)) I can't keep my mouth shut.
> >
> > Clay
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>
> > To: "'scramzilla'" <allvol@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:21 PM
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
> >
> >
> > > I hope you continue to lurk and post. It doesn't hurt to shake up the
> > > group a little.
> > >
> > > Later,
> > >
> > > Scott K
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: scramzilla [mailto:allvol@c...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:08 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
> > >
> > >
> > > I would like to thank all the people that took the time to respond to
> > > the messages that I have posted over the last few days. I have
> > > learned a lot and have made several new friends. Other than a
> > > miss/cross post that I had with Stu and the two people that hate me
> > > (and I hate them)<Not you Stu :-))) Every single post that I
> > > received, (hundreds of them), were all positive for the most part and
> > > that is amazing........ I am now going back to posting on my own
> > > boards and let the chips fall where they may with regards to what all
> > > of "you" decide to do with "your" Club. I was very much an outsider
> > > here but many of you have made me feel welcomed and for that I am
> > > grateful.
> > >
> > > Happy Trails,
> > >
> > > Clay Forrester
> > >
> > > PS: My email is allvol@c... You can send me an email any time any
> > > I will get back to you as soon as possible. I will be subscribed to
> > > this message board the rest of the night but after that, I think that
> > > I should move on.
> > >
> > > Thanks again,
> > >
> > > Zilla
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> > >
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44590 From: Clay Forrester <allvol@c...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 8:35pm
Subject: Re: My final post......(please read)
Take care, It's been nice posting with ya!
Clay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>
To: "'Clay Forrester'" <allvol@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:34 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
> You, me, Joe W, and David W included.
>
> LOL
>
> I better take some pills now. My fingers are sore and I've stirred up
> enough BS for one night. I wonder why the wife hasn't come and told me
> that my daily playtime is over yet? Wait til she sees what I've done,
> I'll be in big trouble for sure.
>
> Hehe
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clay Forrester [mailto:allvol@c...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:29 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Scott Kruize
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
>
>
> That could be very dangerous for me. :-)) I can't keep my mouth shut.
>
> Clay
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>
> To: "'scramzilla'" <allvol@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:21 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
>
>
> > I hope you continue to lurk and post. It doesn't hurt to shake up the
> > group a little.
> >
> > Later,
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scramzilla [mailto:allvol@c...]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:08 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
> >
> >
> > I would like to thank all the people that took the time to respond to
> > the messages that I have posted over the last few days. I have learned
>
> > a lot and have made several new friends. Other than a miss/cross post
> > that I had with Stu and the two people that hate me (and I hate
> > them)<Not you Stu :-))) Every single post that I received, (hundreds
> > of them), were all positive for the most part and that is
> > amazing........ I am now going back to posting on my own boards and
> > let the chips fall where they may with regards to what all of "you"
> > decide to do with "your" Club. I was very much an outsider here but
> > many of you have made me feel welcomed and for that I am grateful.
> >
> > Happy Trails,
> >
> > Clay Forrester
> >
> > PS: My email is allvol@c... You can send me an email any time any I
>
> > will get back to you as soon as possible. I will be subscribed to this
>
> > message board the rest of the night but after that, I think that I
> > should move on.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Zilla
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> >
> >
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44591 From: <mbailey345@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 3:39pm
Subject: Re: Re: Organized Clubs
MIke,
I run with a organized club. I've seen both sides of this. Believe me, i
agree with some of the people, organazation creates alot of BS in itself. Add
the egos, etc,etc, and you start to wonder why the hell you joined a club in
the first place.
On the other hand, if it were not for the organized club members on this
list, I think alot of the issues that deal with land clousures, state land
permits, etc, would go unnoticed. I see alot of posts to this site, from
organized club members, informing the list about all the stuf going on. So, I
think each view on this issue has a good points, and bad points.
I've been to some of the BLM (Buera of Lumber and Mines) meetings and heard
some of the dumbest **** come out of blms mouth. They actually used the
criteria of grass growing between the tire trails as proof that the trail is
unused. Had it not been for organized clubs being present at these meetings,
they might have gotten away with it.
The state land permit is another issue. In my view, they just want people to
call this lady to inform her of trips going out on state land so they can
keep track fo how many people use these trails and who they are. Then when
the trail gets screwed up, they have some group to blame.. Just my 2 cents.
And this land use permit, whether you buy it individual or through the club
dues, only covers you (family if you buy iut individually), so if you have a
passenger witth you, he better have his own. I've heard the state, in the
next few years, is going to go as far as to try and confiscate vehicles. May
be off the wall, but the writing is there.
Organazation gives you number in force. If people don't belive it, just look
at what the eco warriors are doing.
Keep up the good work, and keep shaking the coals.
Mike
Low enviormental impact wheeling; a eco warrior on my bumper
44592 From: wishmaaker <wishmaaker@y...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 8:41pm
Subject: Okay now for a repair question? I mean that is if...
My zippers on my soft top suck. I have lost two zippers ( good thing
its getting warmer out) I have seen posts in that past the members
recommended other members to see someone in the east valley for the
repairs. I need to know where that place is.
TIA
~machew
44593 From: Clay Forrester <allvol@c...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 8:41pm
Subject: Re: Re: Organized Clubs
Absolutely brilliant post!!!!!! I agree with every word you said!!!!!!!
Clubs can be two headed monsters but they do a lot of good.
Clay
----- Original Message -----
From: <mbailey345@a...>
To: <azvjc@a...>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Organized Clubs
> MIke,
> I run with a organized club. I've seen both sides of this. Believe me, i
> agree with some of the people, organazation creates alot of BS in itself.
Add
> the egos, etc,etc, and you start to wonder why the hell you joined a club
in
> the first place.
>
> On the other hand, if it were not for the organized club members on this
> list, I think alot of the issues that deal with land clousures, state land
> permits, etc, would go unnoticed. I see alot of posts to this site, from
> organized club members, informing the list about all the stuf going on.
So, I
> think each view on this issue has a good points, and bad points.
>
> I've been to some of the BLM (Buera of Lumber and Mines) meetings and
heard
> some of the dumbest **** come out of blms mouth. They actually used the
> criteria of grass growing between the tire trails as proof that the trail
is
> unused. Had it not been for organized clubs being present at these
meetings,
> they might have gotten away with it.
>
> The state land permit is another issue. In my view, they just want people
to
> call this lady to inform her of trips going out on state land so they can
> keep track fo how many people use these trails and who they are. Then when
> the trail gets screwed up, they have some group to blame.. Just my 2
cents.
>
> And this land use permit, whether you buy it individual or through the
club
> dues, only covers you (family if you buy iut individually), so if you have
a
> passenger witth you, he better have his own. I've heard the state, in the
> next few years, is going to go as far as to try and confiscate vehicles.
May
> be off the wall, but the writing is there.
>
> Organazation gives you number in force. If people don't belive it, just
look
> at what the eco warriors are doing.
> Keep up the good work, and keep shaking the coals.
>
> Mike
> Low enviormental impact wheeling; a eco warrior on my bumper
>
>
>
>
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44594 From: joeldavid_m <joeldavid_m@y...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 8:45pm
Subject: Re: Thanks (more)
If that is so why would you want to limit yourself by being a "real
club"? I am new to wheeling and love az vjc just the way it is,
I've meet a couple people to go wheeling with and have gotten info
that has helped me work on my jeep. I have every intention of
joining asa4wdc as I know the importance of suporting those that
fight for your right to recreation. I'm also a rock climber hunter
and fly fisher man and all of these pursuits have varring acess
issues so this is not an isolated problem. I feel that az vjc
serves it's purpose as a meeting place and a place to exchange ideas
perfectly and asa4wdc ,at least in the eyes of a newcomer, serves
it's purpose to educate and to protect our privlage to use land for
recreational pursuits.Thats my two cents leave it the way it is and
please suport an orginization that is dedicated to fighting for land
use.
Joel M
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...> wrote:
> It's true.
>
> Clay Forrester
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ross Skinner
> To: AZVJC (E-mail)
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:48 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks (more)
>
>
> On one of the pervious threads someone mentioned that the clubs
were limited to two runs a month on state lands...maybe that is not
true but I would not be surprised if it is.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred [mailto:fredtj@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:49 AM
> Cc: AZVJC (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks (more)
>
>
> Did I miss something (obviously), as this "Thanks" thread got
long, so I didn't read the last several hundred ;)
> Anyway *what* State Limitations are we talking about ??
>
> Cheers,
> Fred
>
>
> Ross Skinner wrote:
>
> After hearing some of the LIMITATIONS being placed upon the clubs
by theState and I am sure the Feds are not far behind...I am
alarmed...who in thehell rolled over and let themselves be boxed in
like that. You are notusing state lands for profit...where is there
an ordinance allowing themthat kind of control?If you don't think
this is not a methodical effort to get your accessultimately removed
or severely limited ...lets say one run a quarter..I havea bridge to
sell you.Yes, clubs can be fun and can focus activism to better
influencebureaucrats, but, it is looking like the usual closed
cliques (you know,care more, know more, better, smarter and so on)
are forming and are doingthings that may not be in the best interest
of our use of our lands. Again,I am not sure of this but it seems to
be a consistent outcome of groups likethis. Now it is our
responsibility as independents to do things and
> say thingsthat represent a broader reality of our desires then
what some smallcliquish clubs think.This has been an interesting
discussion.Ross-----Original Message-----From: Clay Forrester
[mailto:allvol@c...]Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:07 AMTo:
az_vjc@y...; akamofoeSubject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks (more)What
will end up happing is that your land (private property) would be
thelast to go.....that's all. The rest of the public State land and
the rest ofthe country would lose theirs. I for one do not want to
go wheelin' in thesame area over and over and over................Do
you? If we lose theclubs, we lose it allClay----- Original Message --
---From: "akamofoe" <akamoefo@h...>To: <az_vjc@y...>Sent: Wednesday,
February 27, 2002 10:17 PMSubject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks (more)I've
been wheel'n for more than 20 years now and have never been amember
of a club that collects dues. It's always been a good group
offriends, their friends, etc.. Don't get me wrong, I agree that
thoseclubs (or organizations) that are collecting money (I mean
dues) areusing them for good purposes, keeping our lands open.But I
had an Idea. Why don't we get together and start a non-
profitorganization, collect donations (tax deductible), contact a
couple ofthe Big Three Dealers, some Magazines, etc.. With all
thosecontributions we could go out and purchase our own land and
open ourown OHV area. Select a couple of area groups to head a panel
tooversee OUR LANDS.Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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44595 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 8:46pm
Subject: Re: My final post......(please read)
Happy trails then
Chris K
On Thursday, February 28, 2002, at 09:27 PM, Clay Forrester wrote:
> No no....No one has made me feel like I should leave.....I just think
> I'm
> too bias in my stanch opinion that everyone should be involved in some
> way
> or another (most of you are)........ and especially the $25.00 a year to
> ASA. I think if I keep posting here and sticking my nose back in this
> issue,
> it could do more harm that good.......and I just could not help
> myself. :-)
>
> Clay
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
> To: "scramzilla" <allvol@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
>
>
>> Don't feel you have to leave. The info you posted can help people and
> that's
>> a good thing.
>>
>> You are welcome here
>>
>> Chris K
>>
>>> From: "scramzilla" <allvol@c...>
>>> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 04:07:37 -0000
>>> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
>>>
>>> I would like to thank all the people that took the time to respond to
>>> the messages that I have posted over the last few days. I have
>>> learned a lot and have made several new friends. Other than a
>>> miss/cross post that I had with Stu and the two people that hate me
>>> (and I hate them)<Not you Stu :-))) Every single post that I
>>> received, (hundreds of them), were all positive for the most part and
>>> that is amazing........ I am now going back to posting on my own
>>> boards and let the chips fall where they may with regards to what all
>>> of "you" decide to do with "your" Club. I was very much an outsider
>>> here but many of you have made me feel welcomed and for that I am
>>> grateful.
>>>
>>> Happy Trails,
>>>
>>> Clay Forrester
>>>
>>> PS: My email is allvol@c... You can send me an email any time any
>>> I will get back to you as soon as possible. I will be subscribed to
>>> this message board the rest of the night but after that, I think that
>>> I should move on.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>>
>>> Zilla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>>
>>>
>>
>
44596 From: Neal Han**** <azredrocker@y...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 8:50pm
Subject: Re: My final post......(please read)
MEEEEE TOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Eric Marble wrote:
I can confirm the mouth thing... :o)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Clay Forrester"
To: ; "Scott Kruize"
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
> That could be very dangerous for me. :-)) I can't keep my mouth shut.
>
> Clay
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Kruize"
> To: "'scramzilla'" ;
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:21 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
>
>
> > I hope you continue to lurk and post. It doesn't hurt to shake up the
> > group a little.
> >
> > Later,
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scramzilla [mailto:allvol@cox.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:08 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] My final post......(please read)
> >
> >
> > I would like to thank all the people that took the time to respond to
> > the messages that I have posted over the last few days. I have
> > learned a lot and have made several new friends. Other than a
> > miss/cross post that I had with Stu and the two people that hate me
> > (and I hate them)> > received, (hundreds of them), were all positive for the most part and
> > that is amazing........ I am now going back to posting on my own
> > boards and let the chips fall where they may with regards to what all
> > of "you" decide to do with "your" Club. I was very much an outsider
> > here but many of you have made me feel welcomed and for that I am
> > grateful.
> >
> > Happy Trails,
> >
> > Clay Forrester
> >
> > PS: My email is allvol@cox.net You can send me an email any time any
> > I will get back to you as soon as possible. I will be subscribed to
> > this message board the rest of the night but after that, I think that
> > I should move on.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Zilla
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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44597 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 9:05pm
Subject: Mike C. - Personal memberships being discontinued
Mike,
You had mentioned in one of your post about ASA4WDC thinking about
discontinuing individual memberships.
This would be a serious marketing plunder. By this I mean it would alienate
people and more importantly funds away from ASA4WDC. Let's take for example
a freesbie, no one needs one but, they are kind of cool to have and other
people have them. Well now, if the only way to get a freesbie is to join a
club, how many people do you think would have a freesbie? If you continue on
up the line, if you had to belong to a club to get a freesbie and a
companies only income was from freesbie sales, what size do you think that
company would be?
We want, no we need a bigger company. So back to the original statement,
discontinuing personal membership would be a severe determent to our sport.
I know you did not make the statement you were just the messenger. I think
if someone were to say to me what you were told, I would tell them they need
to re-think their position for the good of all.
--James
44598 From: wishmaaker <wishmaaker@y...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 9:04pm
Subject: Cost Of hosting Azvjc
How much and who pays for Azvjc.org being hosted at CRYSTALTECH.COM?
44599 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 9:11pm
Subject: RE: A free Ride... was something about organization...
Joe,
I might be interested. Just so I know you are prepared. Are you keeping
a spare propeller, rudder, ailerons or extra landing gear. How about
some gerry cans for gas? I think if your are going to have any
passengers you will have to put a safari rack on top for your tools to
make room inside. I am sure you have onboard air already so you can run
the air tools to do any necessary in-flight repairs. ROTFLMAO!!!
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 4:51 PM
> To: 'Eric Marble'; 'Brian Hill'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; 'Chris Krieg'
> Subject: [az_vjc] A free Ride... was something about organization...
>
>
> Speaking of the skys...
>
> If anyone is interested in taking a plane ride, let me know.
> I have lots of practicing to do, and I'd just as soon take
> someone with me as not. Shoot me an email if you'd like to
> take a flight over FJ or the lakes or your house (assuming it
> isn't in class B airspace <grin>).
>
> No charge... just fun. I have parachutes if you get scared.
> <evil grin>
>
> Joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eric Marble [mailto:emarble3@p...]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 4:23 PM
> > To: Brian Hill; arizonajeep@c...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Chris
> > Krieg
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Organized Clubs
> >
> >
> > Rumor has it Joe's going to take his reading program to the
> skies to
> > reach more chillens.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
> > To: "Eric Marble" <EMarble3@p...>; "Brian Hill"
> > <brian@a...>; <arizonajeep@c...>;
> > <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 4:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Organized Clubs
> >
> >
> > > LMAO!!
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > > From: "Eric Marble" <EMarble3@p...>
> > > > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:08:20 -0700
> > > > To: "Brian Hill" <brian@a...>,
> <arizonajeep@c...>,
> > > > <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>, "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
> > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Organized Clubs
> > > >
> > > > If it wasn't for Joes Jeep how would the little ones
> > learn to read?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
> > > > To: "Brian Hill" <brian@a...>;
> <arizonajeep@c...>;
> > > > <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 3:46 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Organized Clubs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> OK, that is way beyond what is called for!
> > > >> Do you know Joe and how many people he has helped? If
> > not, Shut the
> > hell
> > > > up!
> > > >> Joe has contibuted more to this group than a large
> > majority of the
> > > > members.
> > > >> He will drop what he is doing to help a fellow Jeeper.
> > The fact that
> > you
> > > >> don't know this shows your ignorance.
> > > >> Losing Joe would be a major asset loss for this group.
> > If you don't
> > know
> > > >> that, you have a long way to go.
> > > >>
> > > >> Chris
> > > >>
> > > >>> From: "Brian Hill" <brian@a...>
> > > >>> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:35:53 -0700
> > > >>> To: arizonajeep@c..., "'Chatfield, Mike'"
> > <Mike@A...>,
> > > >>> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > >>> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Organized Clubs
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Promise?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>> From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
> > > >>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 3:09 PM
> > > >>> To: 'Chatfield, Mike'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > >>> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Organized Clubs
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Mike,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I'm not talking legal anything... I'm against ANYONE
> > who chooses to
> > > > divide
> > > >>> (shadow... whatever word you choose to use) the Arizona
> > Virtual Jeep
> > > > Club.
> > > >>> Unless you get a simple majority (1 vote greater than
> > half the current
> > > >>> membership count) voting for this shadow club... I will
> > believe that
> > it
> > > > was
> > > >>> the wrong thing to do. If you do manage to get a
> > simple majority for
> > > > this
> > > >>> new "real" club, I will believe that it was the right
> > thing for the
> > club
> > > > to
> > > >>> do... but the wrong thing for me... at which point I
> > will silently go
> > > > away.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I'm against it Mike, because I am all too familiar with the
> > divisiveness
> > > > of
> > > >>> "real" groups... Although you have put a great deal of
> > time into our
> > > > club
> > > >>> webpage, it does not authorize you to take our name and
> > give it to
> > > > another
> > > >>> group. Even the original six members voting for it
> > cannot authorize
> > > > this
> > > >>> change... there must be a majority vote for this to be
> > a fair and
> > honest
> > > >>> change.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The spirit of this club will change Mike... and there
> > is nothing you,
> > or
> > > >>> anyone else, will be able to do to stop it. We don't
> > need rules, or
> > > > bylaws,
> > > >>> or a board of directors and incorporation... You are
> > pressing for
> > > > change
> > > >>> which will ultimately redefine our group and I don't
> > want this to
> > > > happen.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Joe
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>> From: Chatfield, Mike [mailto:Mike@A...]
> > > >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:34 PM
> > > >>>> To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
> > > >>>> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Organized Clubs
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> And why is that? Are you saying that the AzVJC (a non
> > > >>>> entity) has legal
> > > >>>> right to the name "Arizona Virtual Jeep Club?" How
> can it, the
> > > >>>> AzVJC never incorporated, it doesn't exist legally
> so therefore
> > > >>>> it can't own anything
> > > >>>> (including the copyrighted webpages).
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Just something to think about.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> BTW, why are you (or anyone) so against it, if you
> don't want
> > > >>>> to be a part of the shadow club then don't. Nothing
> is going
> > > >>>> to change unless YOU make
> > > >>>> the choice to join the shadow and if you do IT IS
> YOUR CHOICE.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> - Mike
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>> From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
> > > >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:18 PM
> > > >>>> To: 'az_jeeper_mike'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > >>>> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Organized Clubs
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Feel free to create a separate club... I think that
> this is a
> > > >>>> good idea for those who need it... do not however, try to
> > > >>>> relate it to the
> > AZVJC....
> > > >>>> webmaster or not, this is not a decision you can
> make without
> > > >>>> everyone's authorization... and that you ain't gonna
> get. The
> > new club must be
> > > >>>> separate, and must not be liked to our current
> website any more
> > > >>>> than any other club currently is.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > >>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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44600 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 9:14pm
Subject: Re: My final post......(please read)
Clay,
Thanks for the input. Although, I haven't read 1/2 the post I know
your input was a good thing.
Please, when you go back to your club(s) and tell them there are
people at AzVJC that care. Check the ASA4WDC registration the number
of members may improve. What a pleasent surprise. Hats off to you if
they do.
Hope to meet you on the trail sometime. Until then, dumpadeeda,
dumpadeeda, dumpadeeda, dumpadeeda, Happy Trails to You.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "scramzilla" <allvol@c...> wrote:
> I would like to thank all the people that took the time to respond
to
> the messages that I have posted over the last few days. I have
> learned a lot and have made several new friends. Other than a
> miss/cross post that I had with Stu and the two people that hate me
> (and I hate them)<Not you Stu :-))) Every single post that I
> received, (hundreds of them), were all positive for the most part
and
> that is amazing........ I am now going back to posting on my own
> boards and let the chips fall where they may with regards to what
all
> of "you" decide to do with "your" Club. I was very much an outsider
> here but many of you have made me feel welcomed and for that I am
> grateful.
>
> Happy Trails,
>
> Clay Forrester
>
> PS: My email is allvol@c... You can send me an email any time any
> I will get back to you as soon as possible. I will be subscribed to
> this message board the rest of the night but after that, I think
that
> I should move on.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Zilla
44601 From: Mike Wixom <h8pvmnt@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 9:17pm
Subject: Heavy Duty Axles for a CJ
Does anyone have any experience with the superior front axles for a wide track Dana 30? Does anyone have any other recommendations for upgrading the axles. Any help/suggestions including parts sources would be appreciated.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7 (Stock Front Axles)
44602 From: Clay Forrester <allvol@c...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 9:46pm
Subject: Re: Re: My final post......(please read)
Thank you. And I hope I have done some good. I will pass the word to other
clubs the information that I have received. I too have learned a few things.
Clay Forrester
----- Original Message -----
From: "jetowle2000" <James.Towle@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:14 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: My final post......(please read)
> Clay,
>
> Thanks for the input. Although, I haven't read 1/2 the post I know
> your input was a good thing.
>
> Please, when you go back to your club(s) and tell them there are
> people at AzVJC that care. Check the ASA4WDC registration the number
> of members may improve. What a pleasent surprise. Hats off to you if
> they do.
>
> Hope to meet you on the trail sometime. Until then, dumpadeeda,
> dumpadeeda, dumpadeeda, dumpadeeda, Happy Trails to You.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "scramzilla" <allvol@c...> wrote:
> > I would like to thank all the people that took the time to respond
> to
> > the messages that I have posted over the last few days. I have
> > learned a lot and have made several new friends. Other than a
> > miss/cross post that I had with Stu and the two people that hate me
> > (and I hate them)<Not you Stu :-))) Every single post that I
> > received, (hundreds of them), were all positive for the most part
> and
> > that is amazing........ I am now going back to posting on my own
> > boards and let the chips fall where they may with regards to what
> all
> > of "you" decide to do with "your" Club. I was very much an outsider
> > here but many of you have made me feel welcomed and for that I am
> > grateful.
> >
> > Happy Trails,
> >
> > Clay Forrester
> >
> > PS: My email is allvol@c... You can send me an email any time any
> > I will get back to you as soon as possible. I will be subscribed to
> > this message board the rest of the night but after that, I think
> that
> > I should move on.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Zilla
>
>
>
>
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>
>
44603 From: <itsajeepthing28@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 5:02pm
Subject: Re: Organized Clubs
My official vote is a strong "NO" ... N.... O....
I may be speaking out of turn being that I've only joined within the past
month or two, but was really amazed with this site. DON'T RUIN A GOOD
THING!!!
If one site is being paid for and the other is not...hmm... gee... i wonder...
ONE IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE LEFT UNATTENDED!!!
You say we can make this easy and use PayPal... well, what about the people
that don't pay anything over the Internet. I made one exception myself, and
bought the club stickers, but that will be my first and last purchase over
the Internet.
If you want an organized club, do it completely separate from this one -
ABSOLUTELY NO LINK TO THIS ONE... YOU HAVE A "PERFECT" CLUB ALREADY!!!
Gary Oglesby
44604 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 10:04pm
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Friday, March 22, 2002 - Reminder
Hello All,
Gary Oglesby is leading an Unspecified trail run on Friday, March 22, 2002.
When: Meet @ 10am
Can meet later if needed!!! Can also meet you Saturday if you can't leave work in time...
Where: Ajo, Arizona
Meet @ Dairy Queen on Highway 85
Rating: None
Length: 2nights-Camping
CB Channel: 5
Let's have a weekend of camping and 4 wheeling. Should be great weather before it gets too hot!!! Friday and Saturday night we'll camp... We will go 4 wheeling as wanted, I have ideas for a couple runs then we can just mess around in the desert. Hiking/Exploring is definately an option!!! No water or electricity hookups... There are also just runs we can do without having to go into 4 wheel drive. Should be an easy weekend. Can definately do a lot of SAND!!! Probably 2.5 trail rating max. I'll say Ajo is about 2 hours from Downtown Phoenix...
My number (623) 694-9510. Please respond soon!!!!!!!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
44605 From: vpheiple <vpheiple@m...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 10:35pm
Subject: Uphill Battle
I moved to AZ a month ago, and was amazed to find that you still
have so much room to move, I came from the Northwest, where in the
last 10 years I have seen thousands of acres closed to both
recreational use and industry use, between owls, fish or just
unsightly trails, certain groups are just looking for reasons to
close public and even private lands to hunting, fishing and 4
wheeling. You should all feel lucky that you are able to wheel every
weekend because more than likely that won't be the case forever. I
have read all your posts and thank you for the info on how to help
keep these areas open.
Vern H.
44606 From: Casper <casper@c...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 10:52pm
Subject: XJ Front wheel hub and wheel bearings??
Hello Gang,
I have noise on my Drivers side wheel hub, and I am pretty sure that the bearing are shot and in need of replacements. My questions to you all are: Is it better to replace the bearing and seals in the original hub, or is it better to buy the hub complete? I know that it would be a whole lot easier to just change out the whole unit = the hub with the bearings and seals installed, but it is much more expensive than just the cost of the bearings and seals alone. I can get the bearings and seals from my local parts store, but I have never changed out a set of bearings and seals on an XJ front end hub, and don't know if it is possible to do it myself. Is it quite a job to do the bearings and seals? I have replaced other vehicles wheel bearings, but not on an XJ four wheel drive axle (front). The hub at Checker and AutoZone runs 143.00 to 149.00, where as the bearings and seals run in the range of 40.00 to 55.00 total. If it is not to hard of a job, I will do it myself, and hopefully save a little money. But, the simplicity of changing out the whole unit (hub with bearings installed), is a big Plus so far as time and ease. Any help with this will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Casper
44607 From: Chip Jones <bomsqd1@y...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2002 11:22pm
Subject: (MS) Mesa
White TJ at Alma School and University around 8:15pm. I wasn't in my Jeep. Here's your wave.
Chip
44608 From: Neal Han**** <azredrocker@y...>
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 4:58am
Subject: Re: Heavy Duty Axles for a CJ
dana 60's :)
Mike Wixom wrote:
Does anyone have any experience with the superior front axles for a wide track Dana 30? Does anyone have any other recommendations for upgrading the axles. Any help/suggestions including parts sources would be appreciated.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7 (Stock Front Axles)
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44609 From: Brian Hill <brian@a...>
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 5:22am
Subject: Nothin' like a day out wheelin'
Nothin like a day out wheelin with friends to make the day a little bit better!
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44610 From: Robert McNeeley <robert.mcneeley@p...>
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 5:22am
Subject: RE: Nothin' like a day out wheelin'
Thats a nice change from the previous day!
LOL
Fat Bob (Robert)
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Hill [mailto:brian@alacartephoto.com]
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 6:22 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Nothin' like a day out wheelin'
Nothin like a day out wheelin with friends to make the day a little bit better!
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44611 From: Brian Hill <brian@a...>
Date: Fri Mar 1, 2002 5:33am
Subject: Re: Nothin' like a day out wheelin'
Yeah! I figured I'd start the day off right today... Besides, it's Friday!
What are you doin' Bob? Goin wheelin' this weekend?
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert McNeeley
To: 'Brian Hill' ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 6:22 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Nothin' like a day out wheelin'
Thats a nice change from the previous day!
LOL
Fat Bob (Robert)
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Hill [mailto:brian@alacartephoto.com]
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 6:22 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Nothin' like a day out wheelin'
Nothin like a day out wheelin with friends to make the day a little bit better!
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