Discouint tire - UPDATE

[SavageSun4x4]

Now that Rick Beer is gone I am not sure which DT I should go to or better still, which DT I should avoid in order to get my 37 MTRs balanced.

Anyone have a yay or nay??

[desertdawg]

If you don't mind driving to the one at Power and Mckellips in Mesa, you can talk to Emery, AZCharlie's twin brother. He'll take care of you.

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[mingoglia]

If you don't mind driving to the one at Power and Mckellips in Mesa, you can talk to Emery, AZCharlie's twin brother. He'll take care of you.

480 807-0984

Wow, funny story. I've always used Emery. He's put tires on all my vehicles, trailers, and company vehicles. When I first met AZCharlie I knew he always reminded me of someone. The stranger thing is I knew someone on here was the brother of Emery but forgot who.

Mike

[azcharlie]

:)

[OlneyJeeps]

Ty (nasty lifted XJ) at the tatum/bell location has done very well for me and my Jeeps

[azrubyman]

If you don't mind driving to the one at Power and Mckellips in Mesa, you can talk to Emery, AZCharlie's twin brother. He'll take care of you.

480 807-0984

Do they use the Hunter Balancer http://www.gsp9700.com/pub/features/how.cfm. I know DT do and some don't.
Ken

[desertdawg]

Yeah I believe they do Ken. I'm pretty sure that's what they balanced mine on.

[Sonorancj]

I just bought 5 33-12.50-15 at Ricks old store and got a good price from them.:)

[lancetkenyon]

Ken Murray on 18th St and Camelback? He moves around a lot, hard to keep track of where he is this week.......

[DrewDog]

Spencer at Sears Automotive @ Metro Center hooked me up............D

[Phenomenal]

Brian at Trucks Unique Hooked me up 623-930-9764

[YGOHOME]

Do they use the Hunter Balancer http://www.gsp9700.com/pub/features/how.cfm. I know DT do and some don't.
Ken

The raod force hunter balancer is great but generaly only works on street only AT treads or new tires. My MTRs would bounce on the machine too much and they had to balance it on the normal machines. They always tell me the wheels are out of round and the tread has too many chuncks missing to road force balance.

But last time I was at the Scottsdale DT on Pima and Frank Loyd Writght they forgot to balance one of the 4 tires. I'm going somewhere else next time.

[rockwerks]

I internal balance all tires over 32" with 10 to 12 oz of .20 gram crossman airsoft pellets..........never out of balance again. BigO does not charge to put em in and oly charge for mount and valve stems. 20.00 for 5 tires ans wheels

[Javelinadave]

Call the DT at Bell & Tatum. I delt w/ Dalton when I bought my tires. Most of that shop has some sort of off road rig and they were all happy to help.

[Washington_XJ]

Goto gilbert and ask for Moe, he'll hook you up. Emery over at the power rd. store is also good.

[azrubyman]

The raod force hunter balancer is great but generaly only works on street only AT treads or new tires. My MTRs would bounce on the machine too much and they had to balance it on the normal machines. They always tell me the wheels are out of round and the tread has too many chuncks missing to road force balance.

But last time I was at the Scottsdale DT on Pima and Frank Loyd Writght they forgot to balance one of the 4 tires. I'm going somewhere else next time.

Yeah, DT at Keyrene and Chandler in Chandler, just this morning told me they can't balance them because of te reasons you give. Plus, I have some decent cupping. They are rotating them now. I'll see how they ride and drive in a little while. I do have 32K miles on them....
Ken

[Stu Olson]

I would avoid Rick's old store at 15th Ave. and Bell (I won't be going back there anyway).

I've been there twice since Rick left and have decided I can spend my money elsewhere. The first time, some twit named Paul gave me a bucket load of crap over an MT/R. The next time, I ended up with the same twit....this time, he gets in my face about my bead locks....geez, I only wanted them balanced....I didn't ask him to make love to them. :rolleyes:

[mingoglia]

...geez, I only wanted them balanced....I didn't ask him to make love to them. :rolleyes:

I didn't know that was possible... kinky. :o

[YGOHOME]

does 4 wheelers do tire balancing?

[lilbluej]

all of you drive jeeps right?
my 36's are out o round and not balanced and they don't shake untill i am going way faster than i should

a tire and rim get harder to balance as they grow, so your 33's are going to be easy compared to some 37's on beadlocks. another thing to remember is that when a salesman (who dosn't have any offroad knowlege) sees a rim that has been abused offroad or rims with beadlocks he only knows the rules and the rules are that they won't balance.

haveing the bigger tire is all about sacrifice for the preformance on the trail, your tires will never be perfect

heres a tip: give the tech who is working on your jeep a tip :D before he starts and be sure to ask for a good balance, that could be the key to making it role as smooth as possible

[lancetkenyon]

all of you drive jeeps right?
my 36's are out o round and not balanced and they don't shake untill i am going way faster than i should

a tire and rim get harder to balance as they grow, so your 33's are going to be easy compared to some 37's on beadlocks. another thing to remember is that when a salesman (who dosn't have any offroad knowlege) sees a rim that has been abused offroad or rims with beadlocks he only knows the rules and the rules are that they won't balance.

haveing the bigger tire is all about sacrifice for the preformance on the trail, your tires will never be perfect

heres a tip: give the tech who is working on your jeep a tip :D before he starts and be sure to ask for a good balance, that could be the key to making it role as smooth as possible

Hmmm........you must work at DT. Always out to make the extra buck, hint hint!:D

[lilbluej]

hey i get paid $9.75 to bust *** all day:)

and on top of that i'm a poor college kid that is paying for schoolin and jeepin :D

[katvans]

hey i get paid $9.75 to bust *** all day:)

and on top of that i'm a poor college kid that is paying for schoolin and jeepin :D

So is the shop where you work Jeep friendly as far as VJC discounts and honoring certs??

[xjstocker]

tucker at advanced goodyear has always taken good care of me. he's at warner and 48th st. i haven't had to warrenty a tire, yet. but he dont care bout why it happened. he gets a spiff per tire so if it goes out the door for any reason he gets paid. they sell goodyear michelin bf g just bout anything.and they will add road hazzard to any tire for 10% of the value ie $200 = $20 rh fee

[rockwerks]

Im telling you guys, Internal balancing, the only way to go, and never be out of balance again.....well your tires anyway!

I cant see running rim side wheel weights when you know you are just gonna scrape em off on the trail, and If you have beadlocks it makes it much easier to keep em in balance.

33" or bigger tires.

[danno]

Don,

I just had my tires rotated and one of my wheels balanced at the Discount right down the street at 101 and FLW. Turns out that the Beer boys (CJ and RJ) are working there now while their dad moved on to office work.

I have beadlocks and they did not have a problem with them, it was kind of a don't ask don't tell type of situation. But if they did ask, I was prepared to tell them that the wheels were "pretend" beadlocks.

-Danno

[DesertX04]

I would avoid Rick's old store at 15th Ave. and Bell (I won't be going back there anyway).

I've been there twice since Rick left and have decided I can spend my money elsewhere. The first time, some twit named Paul gave me a bucket load of crap over an MT/R. The next time, I ended up with the same twit....this time, he gets in my face about my bead locks....geez, I only wanted them balanced....I didn't ask him to make love to them. :rolleyes:

Try the one up the road @ 7th Ave and Bell. A couple guys mentioned the Beer family and had nice things to say about them and Jeeps. More importantly, they said the road hazard warranty was good even if the tire is damaged by rocks off-road. Two different people told me that there. Kinda gave me a funny look as to why I'd even question it. I've been going to that one off and on since it opened and they've always done a good job for me.

[Stu Olson]

Try the one up the road @ 7th Ave and Bell. A couple guys mentioned the Beer family and had nice things to say about them and Jeeps. More importantly, they said the road hazard warranty was good even if the tire is damaged by rocks off-road. Two different people told me that there. Kinda gave me a funny look as to why I'd even question it. I've been going to that one off and on since it opened and they've always done a good job for me.
Alan,
Thanks for the information. I will certainly keep that in mind and will most likely give that store a try should I need another balancing session.

I guess I can expand on my last experience with the beadlocks. I mounted new 35" Trepadors on new beadlocks and took them to Discount Tire to balance them. The counter person asked me for the tire size (35" in my case) and took my $75 (ouch!) and told me to wait for about a half hour till they were ready. He told "Paul" to go outside with me to get the tires out of the back of the pickup truck.

As I rolled the first tire onto the tail gate, Paul asks "Do they know you have beadlocks?" I replied "No, they only inquired as to tire size."

At that point, I get a short lecture about an employee cutting his hand on a beadlock wheel a couple of weeks ago. I'm not sure why he thought I would be interested in this, so I just stood there and listened until he was done talking.

When he finished, I reached down, and without even looking at the beadlock, and ran my un-gloved finger completely around the inner diameter of the outer ring. I then displayed the non-bleeding finger (the rings were polished Champion C3 rings) and told him I doubt it would be happening on these. I also mentioned that at my place of work, employees are required to wear leather gloves so as to prevent hand injuries. (he probably didn't like being told the obvious)

At that point, with no injury argument to win, Paul proceeded to tell me that the wheels would most likely not fit on the balance machine. I requested he show me why this would be a problem. He appeared to be disappointed when another technician was able to properly mount the wheel on the balancing machine. I will agree that the outer bead lock ring made for a close fit, but it didn't prevent anything from working as designed.

"Paul" was the same person that gave me a bucket load of crap several months ago when I brought down a MT/R that had gotten a cut side wall. (yes, I had a envelope full of certs) He gave me a long lecture about abusing my tires, etc. When I pointed out that the previous 2 (or it may have been 3) tires displayed on his computer screen indicated I had purchased them (and not warranteed them), that didn't seem to matter at all. He made a rather huge production of it, then announced that he was making an entry in my computer record so I could never redeem another cert on a tire. I guess this is the kind of treatment you get after being a Discount Tire customer for the past 15 years?

It matters little now.....I've switched tire brands and dealers.

Just an FYI....if you go to the 15th Ave. & Bell Road store, avoid "Paul" like a bad case of toe rot.....he just isn't worth talking to, in my opinion.

P.S. For what it is worth, another tech did a nice job balancing the tires. I tested them to 80 MPH...no vibes. That is more than I need....and I'm happy with the results.

[RockSolidTroope]

Im telling you guys, Internal balancing, the only way to go, and never be out of balance again.....well your tires anyway!

I cant see running rim side wheel weights when you know you are just gonna scrape em off on the trail, and If you have beadlocks it makes it much easier to keep em in balance.

33" or bigger tires.

How do you internally balance a tire? with the BBs trick? and if so, how do you do it?

[westy]

There are a couple methods to internally balance with stainless BBs or airsoft pellets. People have also used golf balls and other objects with success.

One of the more accurate ways is to take your wheels and tires and get them balanced (but dont let the shop add weights) just record how much each set is off...and add said amount of BBs/etc inside the tire.

[rockwerks]

There are a couple methods to internally balance with stainless BBs or airsoft pellets. People have also used golf balls and other objects with success.

One of the more accurate ways is to take your wheels and tires and get them balanced (but dont let the shop add weights) just record how much each set is off...and add said amount of BBs/etc inside the tire.

Ive found that a little over never hurts. and then if the tire rotates on the rim it wont matter. golf balls tend to get a little wild in the tire and bb's if the get wet will rust into a ball, not good. Ive tried em all and quality airsoft works best and longest

[westy]

I agree.

It seems kinda worthless to balance tires on beadlock wheels (the standard way) with weights on the wheel since eventually at some point the tires will rotate on the rim over time more and more.

[rockwerks]

How do you internally balance a tire? with the BBs trick? and if so, how do you do it?


to do it? air down the tires place a 2x4 on a tire edge and drive onto it to bust the bead, put in the pellets. reseat the bead with air and you are done

[SavageSun4x4]

Just got back from Discount Tire at Pima/101/Frank Lloyd Wright.

Got with RJ who happens to be Rick's son and RJ said he could balance these puppies smoother than a church mouse skating on a Kotex. He did, they do and the world is good today...:D Ask for RJ.

[ecamp55]

This is what I use.....works great for me, on the Jeep and the tow rig

http://innovativebalancing.com/

[rockwerks]

This is what I use.....works great for me, on the Jeep and the tow rig

http://innovativebalancing.com/

yep I used to use those until I figured out using airsoft pellets I can buy 4 lbs of pellets, top quality 20gram ones for around 9.00 instead of 69.00 and get the same exact results

[YGOHOME]

Just got back from Discount Tire at Pima/101/Frank Lloyd Wright.

Got with RJ who happens to be Rick's son and RJ said he could balance these puppies smoother than a church mouse skating on a Kotex. He did, they do and the world is good today...:D Ask for RJ.

Thanks, I'll ask for RJ. I have a lifetime balanceing at DT that I think I paid $20 for... I might as well give them a shot again.

If they cacn't balance em good enough then I may stop by the local walmart and buy 4 lbs of pellets... wow. 4lb?!? how many containers is that?

[rockwerks]

Thanks, I'll ask for RJ. I have a lifetime balanceing at DT that I think I paid $20 for... I might as well give them a shot again.

If they cacn't balance em good enough then I may stop by the local walmart and buy 4 lbs of pellets... wow. 4lb?!? how many containers is that?
I use 10 oz per tire. about 10.000 .20gram pellets

[westy]

yep I used to use those until I figured out using airsoft pellets I can buy 4 lbs of pellets, top quality 20gram ones for around 9.00 instead of 69.00 and get the same exact results

Yup. I got the .25gram Matrix ones from ebay. Under $20 shipped for 5000 count bag.

I also use the Innovative site.
http://www.innovativebalancing.com/BigTirechart.htm

[rockwerks]

Yup. I got the .25gram Matrix ones from ebay. Under $20 shipped for 5000 count bag.

I also use the Innovative site.
http://www.innovativebalancing.com/BigTirechart.htm

matrix are cool, they are biodegradable if exposed to the sun.

[Crawldit]

I loved the airsofts that I had in my old tires and really need to try it again with my 35's. I used the Innovative site to figure out about how much weight I needed then I just ran over to Walmart and picked up some airsofts. Come to think of it, I just might do it this weekend. My MTR's haven't been balanced since I put them on.

[Antman]

I agree.

It seems kinda worthless to balance tires on beadlock wheels (the standard way) with weights on the wheel since eventually at some point the tires will rotate on the rim over time more and more.

Westy. can you please explain this more? If they rotate over time. what good are beadlocks?

I have used AE aluminum rims for years and regularly run them at 6 pounds or
less, and have yet to have one rotate on me. I know cuz I mark them. Thats
why I stay away from steel rims. I have had tires go out of balance from losing wheel weights. The stick on the inside of the rim kind.

[katvans]

I use 10 oz per tire. about 10.000 .20gram pellets

Can the airsoft pellets from WM be put in by removing the valve core or do you have to break the bead??

[rockwerks]

Can the airsoft pellets from WM be put in by removing the valve core or do you have to break the bead??

have to break the bead

[big jim]

I'm using the air soft pellets in my 35" BFG muds on steel wheels about 8.5 to 9 oz. Perfect balance up to 60-63mph then they go out of balance, sometimes real bad. Whats the cure? More pellets or what? :confused:

Jim

[rockwerks]

sounds like worn front end parts to me, you can try, I always use at min 10 oz per 35 usually 12 oz

[FlexyXJ]

You know what the cure is....:D Mr Evans has the cure.......:D


Joe
Absolute Offroad


I'm using the air soft pellets in my 35" BFG muds on steel wheels about 8.5 to 9 oz. Perfect balance up to 60-63mph then they go out of balance, sometimes real bad. Whats the cure? More pellets or what? :confused:

Jim

[rockwerks]

You know what the cure is....:D Mr Evans has the cure.......:D


Joe
Absolute Offroad

yep right! all tires are always perfect in balance!:rolleyes:

[lancetkenyon]

Alan,
Thanks for the information. I will certainly keep that in mind and will most likely give that store a try should I need another balancing session.

I guess I can expand on my last experience with the beadlocks. I mounted new 35" Trepadors on new beadlocks and took them to Discount Tire to balance them. The counter person asked me for the tire size (35" in my case) and took my $75 (ouch!) and told me to wait for about a half hour till they were ready. He told "Paul" to go outside with me to get the tires out of the back of the pickup truck.

As I rolled the first tire onto the tail gate, Paul asks "Do they know you have beadlocks?" I replied "No, they only inquired as to tire size."

At that point, I get a short lecture about an employee cutting his hand on a beadlock wheel a couple of weeks ago. I'm not sure why he thought I would be interested in this, so I just stood there and listened until he was done talking.

When he finished, I reached down, and without even looking at the beadlock, and ran my un-gloved finger completely around the inner diameter of the outer ring. I then displayed the non-bleeding finger (the rings were polished Champion C3 rings) and told him I doubt it would be happening on these. I also mentioned that at my place of work, employees are required to wear leather gloves so as to prevent hand injuries. (he probably didn't like being told the obvious)

At that point, with no injury argument to win, Paul proceeded to tell me that the wheels would most likely not fit on the balance machine. I requested he show me why this would be a problem. He appeared to be disappointed when another technician was able to properly mount the wheel on the balancing machine. I will agree that the outer bead lock ring made for a close fit, but it didn't prevent anything from working as designed.

"Paul" was the same person that gave me a bucket load of crap several months ago when I brought down a MT/R that had gotten a cut side wall. (yes, I had a envelope full of certs) He gave me a long lecture about abusing my tires, etc. When I pointed out that the previous 2 (or it may have been 3) tires displayed on his computer screen indicated I had purchased them (and not warranteed them), that didn't seem to matter at all. He made a rather huge production of it, then announced that he was making an entry in my computer record so I could never redeem another cert on a tire. I guess this is the kind of treatment you get after being a Discount Tire customer for the past 15 years?

It matters little now.....I've switched tire brands and dealers.

Just an FYI....if you go to the 15th Ave. & Bell Road store, avoid "Paul" like a bad case of toe rot.....he just isn't worth talking to, in my opinion.

P.S. For what it is worth, another tech did a nice job balancing the tires. I tested them to 80 MPH...no vibes. That is more than I need....and I'm happy with the results.

Stu, what Paul failed to inform you of: The "Beadlocks" were mine. They are fake. They are quite torn up. The idiot doing the job was new. He was NOT wearing any kind of protective gloves.(I wear gloves just to air down, cause they are sharp in some places) He also was not wearing any protective eyewear. He can't balance tires to save his life. He was getting VERY frustrated, it took over 20 minutes to get 1 tire off, where experienced guys have done it in about 1 minute. He actually cut his finger when he put it on the balancer with the centering collar on the WRONG side, and had to pull it off, all while it was STILL SPINNING on the machine! I have dealt with Paul twice, and feel your pain. I will NOT be going back to that store.

[big jim]

Well Joe, I'll have to stop by tomorrow and have a talk about Mr. Evans...:D

Jim


You know what the cure is....:D Mr Evans has the cure.......:D


Joe
Absolute Offroad

[FlexyXJ]

If you had ever seen Jim's wheels, you would understand the comment.:D


yep right! all tires are always perfect in balance!:rolleyes:

[BRUZR]

The Discount Tire here in Havasu wants to charge me almost $1800 for 5 33" Hancook Muds and 5 15x8 black steel simulocks... These guys are trying to rip me off...

[katvans]

If you had ever seen Jim's wheels, you would understand the comment.:D

I'm Mr Evans and I don't understand the comment. Maybe he means Jim's wheels are beat to hell and mine aren't because I don't wheel very hard. I'm still running some of Joe's tires I bought from him over a year ago. Although I do have one bent alum rim with a crack in it but I think I got that when I hit a curb at PV Mall. :D Anyway, whatever the cure is, I need it.

[rockwerks]

I stopped buying anything from discount many years ago. I buy online and then have em mounted by a 3rd party for 20 to 40 bucks

the 33" hankook MT should run around 155 each, and the wheels are expensive the simulocks are twice a normal steelie at about 85. each so thats about 240 each plus mounting an balance of 25.00 from discount so 265.00 plus tax so 280 each (or so) plus certs so somewhere between 1400 and 1800

cut back to normal steel wheels and buy online you cn get em for around 1000 to 1200 total

[Antman]

I'm Mr Evans and I don't understand the comment. Maybe he means Jim's wheels are beat to hell and mine aren't because I don't wheel very hard. I'm still running some of Joe's tires I bought from him over a year ago. Although I do have one bent alum rim with a crack in it but I think I got that when I hit a curb at PV Mall. :D Anyway, whatever the cure is, I need it.


Rich, I think their talking about Walker Evans Beadlocks. :D

You know, Walker Evans, that friend of Dan Mick's up in Moab. :rolleyes:

[katvans]

Rich, I think their talking about Walker Evans Beadlocks. :D

You know, Walker Evans, that friend of Dan Mick's up in Moab. :rolleyes:

NO. You think, now I really feel bad. :rolleyes:

[big jim]

Yep, it was Walker Evans...:D

[YGOHOME]

well, I ordered those "beads" from innovative balancing's website.

I tried these about 2 yrs ago when I had some smaller TRXUS MT tires but didn't seem to do a thing so I got rid of them and went back to traditional weights.

But now after reading it sounds like maybe I didn't use enough before so this time I bought a TON of beads. I will also try them with my existing wheel weights still on the wheel instead of just the beads by themselvs. No excuses this time ;)

If they arrive tomrrow I'll post up how it turns out or if I've been suckered again :)

[YGOHOME]

This stuff actually works. I put in 12oz of the beads into the front tires first, without rotating them. Significant improvement. Helped alot if I accelerated at a steady pace so the beads can find their sweet spot and I didn't try any hole-shots.

Still got a little wobble some at around 54 mph sometimes but was alot less than what I was seeing before. So then I rotated the front tires to the back... (the front had cupping or leafing on the treads so is a big part of what contributes to the wobble and the longer I would let that go on the worse it becomes over time)... so I moved the fronts to the back, put 12oz of the beads into the other tires and test drove it on rural streets and then freeway again. The wobble at around 54 mph was gone.

So it ended up a good investment afterall.

Thanks,

Ben

well, I ordered those "beads" from innovative balancing's website.

I tried these about 2 yrs ago when I had some smaller TRXUS MT tires but didn't seem to do a thing so I got rid of them and went back to traditional weights.

But now after reading it sounds like maybe I didn't use enough before so this time I bought a TON of beads. I will also try them with my existing wheel weights still on the wheel instead of just the beads by themselvs. No excuses this time ;)

If they arrive tomrrow I'll post up how it turns out or if I've been suckered again :)