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44235 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 8:30pm
Subject: Re: Re: Thanks (more)........
I don't belong to any other club. I feel AzVJC has had and will continue to
have a very positive impact.
I'm a dues paying member of ASA and United. I've written many letters,
attended many meetings, participated in many trail clean ups. Many other's
in this group do exactly the same. I think the activism of AzVJC and the
lightning fast mechanism to spread the word about issues can be just as
affective, if not more so, then people who pay dues to a club and attend
monthly meetings.
I think it will take all of us, both in organizations like AzVJC and
structured clubs. No on has a corner on these issues.
Happy Trails...
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "stinger75ih" <stinger75ih@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:39 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks (more)........
> I would agree that you don't HAVE to belong to an organized club to
> do your part. But then comes the second part of the question:
>
> What are you doing to support the sport and give back some of what
> you take?
>
> I would hope you do something other than take, take, take...
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Baja Fleg" <fleigle@h...> wrote:
> > And that is your opinion. I don't feel like I HAVE to join a club
> just to
> > know how to wheel off-road nor do I want to be part of a club that
> has
> > bylaws and all that other B.S. The suggestion that I have to be
> part of a
> > club to make an impact is also just your opinion and in my opinion
> wrong.
> > Notice I said opinion folks! Of course opinions are like.....ah,
> you know
> > how the saying goes. Now I probably could really start a flame war
> here and
> > keep going with the rest of this post but that really isn't what I
> am trying
> > to do, honest. And yes I do know who the "Blue Ribbon Coalition"
> and
> > "United" are thank you. Now to answer your question, surprise
> surprise but
> > I do not belong to an "official" club nor do I want to be part of
> one.
> >
> > Michael
> > Flame Suit activated!!!
> >
> >
> > Message: 24
> > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 02:32:54 -0000
> > From: "scramzilla" <allvol@c...>
> > Subject: Thanks (more)........
> >
> > I want to thank all the people that have email me directly and
> > on the
> > message board. For the most part, they have been very
> > supportive. Now
> > I would like to take the opportunity to address the big picture
> > on
> > trails and land use in general.
> >
> > The Arizona Virtual Jeep club is a large group with many
> > members BUT
> > has no club rights nor bylaws. Now I personally know some of the
> > members and know that they are concurrent members of other clubs
> > so
> > to them, this message does no apply. Now to my question. How
> > many
> > members to the VJC do NOT belong to another affiliated club?
> >
> > Now I'm not suggesting that EVERY Yahoo message/club belong to
> > some
> > sore of recognized club but what we do... (4-wheelin')... very
> > much
> > needs active members that know ALL the rules to keep the
> > ECO-Nazis
> > off our collective backs. Not only will you learn the do's and
> > don'ts
> > of 4-wheelin, but you will also know when to show up for land
> > issue
> > meetings and make your voice heard when it comes to keeping the
> > trails open for you and your children......who may or may not
> > learn
> > to enjoy the sport after you are to old and to heft your butt
> > into
> > the Jeep. :-)
> >
> > There is another BIG reason to join a club.....money! That's
> > right,
> > money. It's what makes the 4-wheelin' world go round. How you
> > ask?
> > Well I'll tell you. There are larger clubs out there that on a
> > DAILY
> > basis are fighting for your right to use public land....Did all
> > of
> > you know that???? I bet you some do not.....and that is very sad
> > indeed. Clubs like the "Blue Ribbon Coalition" and "United" are
> > fighting in courts and calling Public Officials to bend their
> > ear to
> > make OUR voices heard......and it's going on everyday folks,
> > everyday!
> >
> > Now you might know where I'm headed with this by now but just in
> > case, I'll clear it up. The money that "these" clubs get comes
> > from
> > you and me......no where else. Club membership plays a big part
> > in
> > raising money for theses Originations. Part of the money that
> > people
> > pay in "club dues" goes towards land issue battles that end up
> > in
> > court.......and we ALL know that Lawyers don't come cheap. They
> > also
> > use money donated by responsible 4-wheelers like you and I that
> > know
> > it's the only way our voice will be heard.
> >
> > Now you can either blow me off.....or you can listen to what I'm
> > saying and have a HUGE impact on the issues surrounding that
> > area in
> > which we live by joining a local club....learning the do's and
> > don't
> > of 4-wheelin' and send a few $$$$ to help the people that keep
> > Arizona public land open to all. You do NOT have to form
> > an "official" club from the group of people....all I'm saying is
> > visit a local Jeep chapter and get the Jeepin' scooby. There are
> > many "unwritten" rules when it comes to trail riding that
> > involve
> > common courtesy just like in any sport......it's good to know
> > them
> > all.
> >
> >
> > Scramzilla
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________ _______________
> > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger:
> http://messenger.msn.com
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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44236 From: Clay Forrester <allvol@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 8:29pm
Subject: Re: Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail Destroyers"
I agree.....I agree. But I hope that you understood my point also. I was not
thinking about it and I did provide my email address. Also, I think that I'm
the only black Scrambler in town with "Scramzilla" painted on the hood. :-)
I'm easy to see.
Clay Forrester
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
To: "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...>; "Scott Kruize"
<scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Eric Marble"
<emarble3@p...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:28 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail Destroyers"
> Clay,
>
> On line forums are a dime a dozen....and nameless keyboard cowboys that
post
> on them are even more common. I normally pay them as much attention as
the
> moron neighbor that lives down the street.
>
> If you have something worth saying, you have nothing to loose, IMO, if you
> back up your message with a name.
>
> If you can't get by that, then maybe you are wasting my time. Yes, the
gate
> does swing both ways.
>
> Stu
>
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clay Forrester [mailto:allvol@c...]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:15 PM
> To: Scott Kruize; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Stu Olson; Eric Marble
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> Destroyers"
>
>
> Yeah....If they can't get by me not putting my real name.......I might as
> well quit wasting my time. Geeeessseee!
>
>
> Clay Forrester
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Marble" <emarble3@p...>
> To: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>;
> "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
Destroyers"
>
>
> > I thought everyone knew Scramzilla.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
> > To: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:10 PM
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> Destroyers"
> >
> >
> > > I mentioned this to another person earlier this week, Scott.....a lot
of
> > > talk from behind some screen name.
> > >
> > > Basically, I view it as spam crap. It hits the bit bucket with a
touch
> of
> > > the delete key just as fast as the unwanted mortgage refinance junk.
> > >
> > > If this irritates someone who feels compelled to use a screen name
> instead
> > > of their real one....well, that is your option and I am just
exercising
> > mine
> > > as I right this. ;) Life will go on.
> > >
> > > Timber Chucker!
> > >
> > > Stu Olson
> > > www.stu-offroad.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@e...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:57 PM
> > > To: scramzilla; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> > > Destroyers"
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree with you completely. One hint though...your post would be much
> > more
> > > credible if you poasted your real name on it.
> > >
> > > Scott K
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: scramzilla [mailto:allvol@c...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 1:34 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
Destroyers"
> > >
> > >
> > > Pulse found on dead horse!
> > >
> > > OK folks, I'm the guy who wrote the "Nearly Jeepers....Trail
> > > Destroyers" note. Although I did not link it to this group, (I did not
> > > know where it was) I'm glad somebody posted it. Now, I've read most of
> > > the messages and other than the Penis size fetish that this board has,
> > > and the over use of the phrase; "Dead horse," most of the discussion
> > > has been informative. Now with that being said, I'd like to address
> > > some of the other comments about the post and leave
> > > the......ahhhhhh........errrrrrrrr "other stuff" behind.
> > >
> > > My message was intended to drive home the fact that NOT every trail,
> > > is for everybody. BUT, if you absolutely must go on a trail that is
> > > MILES above your Jeeps capability and driving skill, leave the trail
> > > the way you found it!.....Its' that simple folks. Now I have read some
> > > posts that say the same thing and I applaud you. I like to drive on
> > > many types of trails......whatever mood I'm in dictates the trail that
> > > I will run....but here's the kicker; I can run then all! Yep! That's
> > > right. I built a rig that can go from 5+ to a 1. I had another Jeep
> > > that could not do the extreme trails so I built one that
> > > could.......because that's what I liked most.
> > >
> > > Here is the issue at hand with me in regards to the lesser equipped
> > > and inexperienced wheelers. Why in the world would I spend tons of
> > > money on my rig to make it bullet proof and make it capable of doing
> > > the extreme trails only to have it wiped out by a different class of
> > > rigs that only desire to bring it down to "their" level of
> > > capability????? Why waste the time and money? I could just wait till
> > > (someone else) finds the new trail. Finds the entrances and exits and
> > > map it all out for me so I can get a few of my buds with hammers, crow
> > > bars and RR-cross ties and turn a 4/5 trail into a 2/3 trail so "I"
> > > could run it..........That's not right folks!
> > >
> > > Now as far as my "Keep your mouth shut" phrase with regards to "not
> > > tell everyone" where the new trails are.......U-betcha! It's not gonna
> > > happen. Like some of you have said. "I can go on any trail I
> > > want."....Yep! That's right. I can't stop you but you'll have to find
> > > them first. When is the last time you heard of a new trail???? There
> > > are TONS of new trails out there but the word is no longer getting
> > > out.....mostly due to the fact that lesser equipped rigs are
> > > DESTROYING THEM! (bypasses ect) If you ever had to help drag a burnt
> > > out bone stock Jeep off an extreme trail that some yahoo left
> > > there.....maybe you would respect the rating system a little more.
> > >
> > > Oh, one more thing. There is NO better friend to have than someone
> > > with an "Extreme rig" on trail that you just happen to be on. We have
> > > air tanks. On board welders. almost every imaginable tool at parts to
> > > fix almost every imaginable break. I even carry parts that fit other
> > > peoples rigs just in case I could be of some help to someone. It's a
> > > great feeling to help a total stranger get out of a hopeless situation
> > > with no expectation of reward.....I'm happy to help. BUT......After
> > > what just happened to the "Highway to Hell" trail, my heart is just
> > > not into like it once was.....
> > >
> > > I'll get off my soap box not but just remember, there are a LOT of
> > > Jeepers in AZ. that spend TONS of money, go to land issue meeting to
> > > keep the trails open and love to wheel and camp with our dogs and
> > > family just like you do.......But we also like to go on trails that
> > > make us feel justified in the time and expense that we incurred
> > > building what we are proud to call our own creation.
> > >
> > >
> > > Scramzilla
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
44237 From: Clay Forrester <allvol@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 8:32pm
Subject: Re: Re: Thanks (more)........
That's basically what I said but maybe that part was not clear....and if so,
I apologize. Please keep up the good work.
Clay Forrester
----- Original Message -----
From: "DougB" <azjeep@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "stinger75ih" <stinger75ih@c...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks (more)........
> I don't belong to any other club. I feel AzVJC has had and will continue
to
> have a very positive impact.
>
> I'm a dues paying member of ASA and United. I've written many letters,
> attended many meetings, participated in many trail clean ups. Many other's
> in this group do exactly the same. I think the activism of AzVJC and the
> lightning fast mechanism to spread the word about issues can be just as
> affective, if not more so, then people who pay dues to a club and attend
> monthly meetings.
>
> I think it will take all of us, both in organizations like AzVJC and
> structured clubs. No on has a corner on these issues.
>
> Happy Trails...
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stinger75ih" <stinger75ih@c...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:39 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks (more)........
>
>
> > I would agree that you don't HAVE to belong to an organized club to
> > do your part. But then comes the second part of the question:
> >
> > What are you doing to support the sport and give back some of what
> > you take?
> >
> > I would hope you do something other than take, take, take...
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Baja Fleg" <fleigle@h...> wrote:
> > > And that is your opinion. I don't feel like I HAVE to join a club
> > just to
> > > know how to wheel off-road nor do I want to be part of a club that
> > has
> > > bylaws and all that other B.S. The suggestion that I have to be
> > part of a
> > > club to make an impact is also just your opinion and in my opinion
> > wrong.
> > > Notice I said opinion folks! Of course opinions are like.....ah,
> > you know
> > > how the saying goes. Now I probably could really start a flame war
> > here and
> > > keep going with the rest of this post but that really isn't what I
> > am trying
> > > to do, honest. And yes I do know who the "Blue Ribbon Coalition"
> > and
> > > "United" are thank you. Now to answer your question, surprise
> > surprise but
> > > I do not belong to an "official" club nor do I want to be part of
> > one.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > > Flame Suit activated!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Message: 24
> > > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 02:32:54 -0000
> > > From: "scramzilla" <allvol@c...>
> > > Subject: Thanks (more)........
> > >
> > > I want to thank all the people that have email me directly and
> > > on the
> > > message board. For the most part, they have been very
> > > supportive. Now
> > > I would like to take the opportunity to address the big picture
> > > on
> > > trails and land use in general.
> > >
> > > The Arizona Virtual Jeep club is a large group with many
> > > members BUT
> > > has no club rights nor bylaws. Now I personally know some of the
> > > members and know that they are concurrent members of other clubs
> > > so
> > > to them, this message does no apply. Now to my question. How
> > > many
> > > members to the VJC do NOT belong to another affiliated club?
> > >
> > > Now I'm not suggesting that EVERY Yahoo message/club belong to
> > > some
> > > sore of recognized club but what we do... (4-wheelin')... very
> > > much
> > > needs active members that know ALL the rules to keep the
> > > ECO-Nazis
> > > off our collective backs. Not only will you learn the do's and
> > > don'ts
> > > of 4-wheelin, but you will also know when to show up for land
> > > issue
> > > meetings and make your voice heard when it comes to keeping the
> > > trails open for you and your children......who may or may not
> > > learn
> > > to enjoy the sport after you are to old and to heft your butt
> > > into
> > > the Jeep. :-)
> > >
> > > There is another BIG reason to join a club.....money! That's
> > > right,
> > > money. It's what makes the 4-wheelin' world go round. How you
> > > ask?
> > > Well I'll tell you. There are larger clubs out there that on a
> > > DAILY
> > > basis are fighting for your right to use public land....Did all
> > > of
> > > you know that???? I bet you some do not.....and that is very sad
> > > indeed. Clubs like the "Blue Ribbon Coalition" and "United" are
> > > fighting in courts and calling Public Officials to bend their
> > > ear to
> > > make OUR voices heard......and it's going on everyday folks,
> > > everyday!
> > >
> > > Now you might know where I'm headed with this by now but just in
> > > case, I'll clear it up. The money that "these" clubs get comes
> > > from
> > > you and me......no where else. Club membership plays a big part
> > > in
> > > raising money for theses Originations. Part of the money that
> > > people
> > > pay in "club dues" goes towards land issue battles that end up
> > > in
> > > court.......and we ALL know that Lawyers don't come cheap. They
> > > also
> > > use money donated by responsible 4-wheelers like you and I that
> > > know
> > > it's the only way our voice will be heard.
> > >
> > > Now you can either blow me off.....or you can listen to what I'm
> > > saying and have a HUGE impact on the issues surrounding that
> > > area in
> > > which we live by joining a local club....learning the do's and
> > > don't
> > > of 4-wheelin' and send a few $$$$ to help the people that keep
> > > Arizona public land open to all. You do NOT have to form
> > > an "official" club from the group of people....all I'm saying is
> > > visit a local Jeep chapter and get the Jeepin' scooby. There are
> > > many "unwritten" rules when it comes to trail riding that
> > > involve
> > > common courtesy just like in any sport......it's good to know
> > > them
> > > all.
> > >
> > >
> > > Scramzilla
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________ _______________
> > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger:
> > http://messenger.msn.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
44238 From: ccgaiser <ccgaiser@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 8:34pm
Subject: Re: Scout Dana 44's
Where did you get both axles for that money?!!!!
Chris
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Clint Ramsey" <cwramsey@t...> wrote:
> Just bought front and rear Scout 44's for $50. The front needs R&P
but
> I was gonna change them to 4.56's anyway.
44239 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 8:47pm
Subject: Re: Radio
TJ?
> From: "wishmaaker" <wishmaaker@y...>
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:45:43 -0000
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Radio
>
> okay who knows how to removed the plastic around the radio?
>
>
>
>
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>
>
44240 From: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 8:18pm
Subject: RE: Re: Scout Dana 44's
A guy I grew up with
Clint
-----Original Message-----
From:
sentto-1011514-37051-1014870884-cwramsey=theriver.com@r...
oo.com
[mailto:sentto-1011514-37051-1014870884-cwramsey=theriver.com@r...
oups.yahoo.com] On Behalf Of ccgaiser
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:35 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Scout Dana 44's
Where did you get both axles for that money?!!!!
Chris
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Clint Ramsey" <cwramsey@t...> wrote:
> Just bought front and rear Scout 44's for $50. The front needs R&P
but
> I was gonna change them to 4.56's anyway.
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44241 From: stinger75ih <stinger75ih@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 9:12pm
Subject: AZVJC off on rampage
Clay, I have to hand it to you... I think you now have the record on
one of the longest threads in AZVJC history. Damm I'm glad I have
turned off email from that group and only read it on the web. I think
several people will suffer mailbox overload on this one.
You have probably noticed that there are about a dozen or so that
regularly reply and in general I think those are the ones who have an
understanding and are doing something... problem is they can't put
their egos aside.
Hopefully the hoards of silent members that are out there will pick
up something from this and it will make an impression. There will be
others that could care less what is said and will continue to take
and take with little regard for what the future may be.
I have been on the sidelines out there for quite awhile and it amazes
me what some of these people will say and the disregard they have in
throwing out track information and directions to trails to 1000+
members. People will hand out info to someone they have never even
met to find trails. And we wonder why we are seeing more damage and
yahoos on the trails?
This has been an interesting exchange out there and I'm sure it will
continue some. It has been readily apparant that the people you hear
from out there are the ones already trying to do their share. The
rest you won't hear from when you ask them to stand up and be counted.
Mark
PS: Hang in there... educating the unwilling is a most challenging
chore.
44242 From: wishmaaker <wishmaaker@y...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 9:23pm
Subject: Re: Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail Destroyers"
You know lately it seems that a lot of folks are getting the kicks
addressing the AzVjc in a
negative way. I don't think a lot of these people come to the table
with enough knowledge about
the group to even suggest that we do nothing to preserve our Az public
lands. I have only been a
member since Nov., when I purchased my TJ, and yet I feel that I have
learned so much not only
about my jeeps and what it can do with it, but what I can do to
protect and preserve public and
blm lands . You don't have to be a paid (voted in) member to any
such club to make a
difference. A lot of clubs use the AzVjc 1400+ members to voice and
action many events that
make a difference to protect our rights to use public land. I have
lived in Arizona on and off for
the last 15 years and have seen many closures. Its going to be tough
to keeps the last bit of
unclosed trails open, weather your a voted member or not, its going to
take everyone to protect
our resources. I am proud to be a part of this group of un-organized
organization.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...> wrote:
> I agree.....I agree. But I hope that you understood my point also. I
was not
> thinking about it and I did provide my email address. Also, I think
that I'm
> the only black Scrambler in town with "Scramzilla" painted on the
hood. :-)
> I'm easy to see.
>
> Clay Forrester
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
> To: "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...>; "Scott Kruize"
> <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@y...>; "Eric Marble"
> <emarble3@p...>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:28 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
Destroyers"
>
>
> > Clay,
> >
> > On line forums are a dime a dozen....and nameless keyboard cowboys
that
> post
> > on them are even more common. I normally pay them as much
attention as
> the
> > moron neighbor that lives down the street.
> >
> > If you have something worth saying, you have nothing to loose,
IMO, if you
> > back up your message with a name.
> >
> > If you can't get by that, then maybe you are wasting my time.
Yes, the
> gate
> > does swing both ways.
> >
> > Stu
> >
> >
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Clay Forrester [mailto:allvol@c...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:15 PM
> > To: Scott Kruize; az_vjc@y...; Stu Olson; Eric Marble
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> > Destroyers"
> >
> >
> > Yeah....If they can't get by me not putting my real name.......I
might as
> > well quit wasting my time. Geeeessseee!
> >
> >
> > Clay Forrester
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Eric Marble" <emarble3@p...>
> > To: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@y...>;
> > "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> Destroyers"
> >
> >
> > > I thought everyone knew Scramzilla.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
> > > To: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@y...>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:10 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> > Destroyers"
> > >
> > >
> > > > I mentioned this to another person earlier this week,
Scott.....a lot
> of
> > > > talk from behind some screen name.
> > > >
> > > > Basically, I view it as spam crap. It hits the bit bucket
with a
> touch
> > of
> > > > the delete key just as fast as the unwanted mortgage refinance
junk.
> > > >
> > > > If this irritates someone who feels compelled to use a screen
name
> > instead
> > > > of their real one....well, that is your option and I am just
> exercising
> > > mine
> > > > as I right this. ;) Life will go on.
> > > >
> > > > Timber Chucker!
> > > >
> > > > Stu Olson
> > > > www.stu-offroad.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@e...]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:57 PM
> > > > To: scramzilla; az_vjc@y...
> > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly
Jeepers..Trail
> > > > Destroyers"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree with you completely. One hint though...your post would
be much
> > > more
> > > > credible if you poasted your real name on it.
> > > >
> > > > Scott K
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: scramzilla [mailto:allvol@c...]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 1:34 PM
> > > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> Destroyers"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Pulse found on dead horse!
> > > >
> > > > OK folks, I'm the guy who wrote the "Nearly Jeepers....Trail
> > > > Destroyers" note. Although I did not link it to this group, (I
did not
> > > > know where it was) I'm glad somebody posted it. Now, I've read
most of
> > > > the messages and other than the Penis size fetish that this
board has,
> > > > and the over use of the phrase; "Dead horse," most of the
discussion
> > > > has been informative. Now with that being said, I'd like to
address
> > > > some of the other comments about the post and leave
> > > > the......ahhhhhh........errrrrrrrr "other stuff" behind.
> > > >
> > > > My message was intended to drive home the fact that NOT every
trail,
> > > > is for everybody. BUT, if you absolutely must go on a trail
that is
> > > > MILES above your Jeeps capability and driving skill, leave the
trail
> > > > the way you found it!.....Its' that simple folks. Now I have
read some
> > > > posts that say the same thing and I applaud you. I like to
drive on
> > > > many types of trails......whatever mood I'm in dictates the
trail that
> > > > I will run....but here's the kicker; I can run then all! Yep!
That's
> > > > right. I built a rig that can go from 5+ to a 1. I had another
Jeep
> > > > that could not do the extreme trails so I built one that
> > > > could.......because that's what I liked most.
> > > >
> > > > Here is the issue at hand with me in regards to the lesser
equipped
> > > > and inexperienced wheelers. Why in the world would I spend
tons of
> > > > money on my rig to make it bullet proof and make it capable of
doing
> > > > the extreme trails only to have it wiped out by a different
class of
> > > > rigs that only desire to bring it down to "their" level of
> > > > capability????? Why waste the time and money? I could just
wait till
> > > > (someone else) finds the new trail. Finds the entrances and
exits and
> > > > map it all out for me so I can get a few of my buds with
hammers, crow
> > > > bars and RR-cross ties and turn a 4/5 trail into a 2/3 trail
so "I"
> > > > could run it..........That's not right folks!
> > > >
> > > > Now as far as my "Keep your mouth shut" phrase with regards to
"not
> > > > tell everyone" where the new trails are.......U-betcha! It's
not gonna
> > > > happen. Like some of you have said. "I can go on any trail I
> > > > want."....Yep! That's right. I can't stop you but you'll have
to find
> > > > them first. When is the last time you heard of a new trail????
There
> > > > are TONS of new trails out there but the word is no longer
getting
> > > > out.....mostly due to the fact that lesser equipped rigs are
> > > > DESTROYING THEM! (bypasses ect) If you ever had to help drag a
burnt
> > > > out bone stock Jeep off an extreme trail that some yahoo left
> > > > there.....maybe you would respect the rating system a little
more.
> > > >
> > > > Oh, one more thing. There is NO better friend to have than
someone
> > > > with an "Extreme rig" on trail that you just happen to be on.
We have
> > > > air tanks. On board welders. almost every imaginable tool at
parts to
> > > > fix almost every imaginable break. I even carry parts that fit
other
> > > > peoples rigs just in case I could be of some help to someone.
It's a
> > > > great feeling to help a total stranger get out of a hopeless
situation
> > > > with no expectation of reward.....I'm happy to help.
BUT......After
> > > > what just happened to the "Highway to Hell" trail, my heart is
just
> > > > not into like it once was.....
> > > >
> > > > I'll get off my soap box not but just remember, there are a
LOT of
> > > > Jeepers in AZ. that spend TONS of money, go to land issue
meeting to
> > > > keep the trails open and love to wheel and camp with our dogs
and
> > > > family just like you do.......But we also like to go on trails
that
> > > > make us feel justified in the time and expense that we
incurred
> > > > building what we are proud to call our own creation.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Scramzilla
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
44243 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 9:58pm
Subject: Re: Re: Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail Destroyers"
And you should be proud.
Is pride enough?
Don't know about you, but I spend allot of money on my Jeep every year,
what's 20-30 bucks a year? Even if I do decide to go above and beyond that
to protect my Jeepin' rights by attending meetings as an individual, I
wouldn't consider the Dues as my release from liability to attend meetings
concerning my land use. Vote me in, Yada,Yada, but don't mind me if I become
PROACTIVE!!!
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: "wishmaaker" <wishmaaker@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:23 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail Destroyers"
> You know lately it seems that a lot of folks are getting the kicks
> addressing the AzVjc in a
> negative way. I don't think a lot of these people come to the table
> with enough knowledge about
> the group to even suggest that we do nothing to preserve our Az public
> lands. I have only been a
> member since Nov., when I purchased my TJ, and yet I feel that I have
> learned so much not only
> about my jeeps and what it can do with it, but what I can do to
> protect and preserve public and
> blm lands . You don't have to be a paid (voted in) member to any
> such club to make a
> difference. A lot of clubs use the AzVjc 1400+ members to voice and
> action many events that
> make a difference to protect our rights to use public land. I have
> lived in Arizona on and off for
> the last 15 years and have seen many closures. Its going to be tough
> to keeps the last bit of
> unclosed trails open, weather your a voted member or not, its going to
> take everyone to protect
> our resources. I am proud to be a part of this group of un-organized
> organization.
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...> wrote:
> > I agree.....I agree. But I hope that you understood my point also. I
> was not
> > thinking about it and I did provide my email address. Also, I think
> that I'm
> > the only black Scrambler in town with "Scramzilla" painted on the
> hood. :-)
> > I'm easy to see.
> >
> > Clay Forrester
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
> > To: "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...>; "Scott Kruize"
> > <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@y...>; "Eric Marble"
> > <emarble3@p...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:28 PM
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> Destroyers"
> >
> >
> > > Clay,
> > >
> > > On line forums are a dime a dozen....and nameless keyboard cowboys
> that
> > post
> > > on them are even more common. I normally pay them as much
> attention as
> > the
> > > moron neighbor that lives down the street.
> > >
> > > If you have something worth saying, you have nothing to loose,
> IMO, if you
> > > back up your message with a name.
> > >
> > > If you can't get by that, then maybe you are wasting my time.
> Yes, the
> > gate
> > > does swing both ways.
> > >
> > > Stu
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Stu Olson
> > > www.stu-offroad.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Clay Forrester [mailto:allvol@c...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:15 PM
> > > To: Scott Kruize; az_vjc@y...; Stu Olson; Eric Marble
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> > > Destroyers"
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah....If they can't get by me not putting my real name.......I
> might as
> > > well quit wasting my time. Geeeessseee!
> > >
> > >
> > > Clay Forrester
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Eric Marble" <emarble3@p...>
> > > To: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@y...>;
> > > "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:21 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> > Destroyers"
> > >
> > >
> > > > I thought everyone knew Scramzilla.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
> > > > To: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@y...>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:10 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> > > Destroyers"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I mentioned this to another person earlier this week,
> Scott.....a lot
> > of
> > > > > talk from behind some screen name.
> > > > >
> > > > > Basically, I view it as spam crap. It hits the bit bucket
> with a
> > touch
> > > of
> > > > > the delete key just as fast as the unwanted mortgage refinance
> junk.
> > > > >
> > > > > If this irritates someone who feels compelled to use a screen
> name
> > > instead
> > > > > of their real one....well, that is your option and I am just
> > exercising
> > > > mine
> > > > > as I right this. ;) Life will go on.
> > > > >
> > > > > Timber Chucker!
> > > > >
> > > > > Stu Olson
> > > > > www.stu-offroad.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@e...]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:57 PM
> > > > > To: scramzilla; az_vjc@y...
> > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly
> Jeepers..Trail
> > > > > Destroyers"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree with you completely. One hint though...your post would
> be much
> > > > more
> > > > > credible if you poasted your real name on it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott K
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: scramzilla [mailto:allvol@c...]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 1:34 PM
> > > > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> > Destroyers"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Pulse found on dead horse!
> > > > >
> > > > > OK folks, I'm the guy who wrote the "Nearly Jeepers....Trail
> > > > > Destroyers" note. Although I did not link it to this group, (I
> did not
> > > > > know where it was) I'm glad somebody posted it. Now, I've read
> most of
> > > > > the messages and other than the Penis size fetish that this
> board has,
> > > > > and the over use of the phrase; "Dead horse," most of the
> discussion
> > > > > has been informative. Now with that being said, I'd like to
> address
> > > > > some of the other comments about the post and leave
> > > > > the......ahhhhhh........errrrrrrrr "other stuff" behind.
> > > > >
> > > > > My message was intended to drive home the fact that NOT every
> trail,
> > > > > is for everybody. BUT, if you absolutely must go on a trail
> that is
> > > > > MILES above your Jeeps capability and driving skill, leave the
> trail
> > > > > the way you found it!.....Its' that simple folks. Now I have
> read some
> > > > > posts that say the same thing and I applaud you. I like to
> drive on
> > > > > many types of trails......whatever mood I'm in dictates the
> trail that
> > > > > I will run....but here's the kicker; I can run then all! Yep!
> That's
> > > > > right. I built a rig that can go from 5+ to a 1. I had another
> Jeep
> > > > > that could not do the extreme trails so I built one that
> > > > > could.......because that's what I liked most.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is the issue at hand with me in regards to the lesser
> equipped
> > > > > and inexperienced wheelers. Why in the world would I spend
> tons of
> > > > > money on my rig to make it bullet proof and make it capable of
> doing
> > > > > the extreme trails only to have it wiped out by a different
> class of
> > > > > rigs that only desire to bring it down to "their" level of
> > > > > capability????? Why waste the time and money? I could just
> wait till
> > > > > (someone else) finds the new trail. Finds the entrances and
> exits and
> > > > > map it all out for me so I can get a few of my buds with
> hammers, crow
> > > > > bars and RR-cross ties and turn a 4/5 trail into a 2/3 trail
> so "I"
> > > > > could run it..........That's not right folks!
> > > > >
> > > > > Now as far as my "Keep your mouth shut" phrase with regards to
> "not
> > > > > tell everyone" where the new trails are.......U-betcha! It's
> not gonna
> > > > > happen. Like some of you have said. "I can go on any trail I
> > > > > want."....Yep! That's right. I can't stop you but you'll have
> to find
> > > > > them first. When is the last time you heard of a new trail????
> There
> > > > > are TONS of new trails out there but the word is no longer
> getting
> > > > > out.....mostly due to the fact that lesser equipped rigs are
> > > > > DESTROYING THEM! (bypasses ect) If you ever had to help drag a
> burnt
> > > > > out bone stock Jeep off an extreme trail that some yahoo left
> > > > > there.....maybe you would respect the rating system a little
> more.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, one more thing. There is NO better friend to have than
> someone
> > > > > with an "Extreme rig" on trail that you just happen to be on.
> We have
> > > > > air tanks. On board welders. almost every imaginable tool at
> parts to
> > > > > fix almost every imaginable break. I even carry parts that fit
> other
> > > > > peoples rigs just in case I could be of some help to someone.
> It's a
> > > > > great feeling to help a total stranger get out of a hopeless
> situation
> > > > > with no expectation of reward.....I'm happy to help.
> BUT......After
> > > > > what just happened to the "Highway to Hell" trail, my heart is
> just
> > > > > not into like it once was.....
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll get off my soap box not but just remember, there are a
> LOT of
> > > > > Jeepers in AZ. that spend TONS of money, go to land issue
> meeting to
> > > > > keep the trails open and love to wheel and camp with our dogs
> and
> > > > > family just like you do.......But we also like to go on trails
> that
> > > > > make us feel justified in the time and expense that we
> incurred
> > > > > building what we are proud to call our own creation.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Scramzilla
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
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44244 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 7:49pm
Subject: RE: Foot in mouth disease
Does this mean that Vern has inherited "the Crown" from David Withers as
most controversial member?
Hehehehehe
Scott K - owner of "The Crown" for the first few years of the AZVJC.
-----Original Message-----
From: vpheiple [mailto:vpheiple@m...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:23 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Foot in mouth disease
At the risk of putting it there again I have to say all of your
resonses have been great, I have had trouble finding getalife.com and
the site about the door hitting me in the ***, I would have to say I
could not have been more wrong, I have to admit that part of my
comments had to do with the Nearly Jeepers comment, although I agree
completely with what was said about staying off of trails that you
don't belong on and not ruining the exsisting trails, the way it was
stated made me feel like if I didn't have the experience or right
equipment I didn't belong in this club. That is why I asked about
different clubs with the attitude. From all of the responses I have
gotten and can see that I was completely and totally wrong and spoke
out of turn. Your club rocks and the people seem to be honest and
sincere. I am sorry that I can't take back the statement about small
units, but if the shoe fits. Any of you hardcore people feel like
taking me to the top of a mountain somewhere and leaving me let me
know, my Fiance says I could use the exercise.
Vern Heiple
p.s. My fiance and her friends really do say that about the tires and
lifts. Yes I have a lift and bigger tires, and I am big enough to
admit that I fit the stereotype.
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44245 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 9:54pm
Subject: My front end noises - what we found
Absolutely nothing!
We can't duplicate the sounds at all. DougB came over tonight. We had
the front diff cover off and we look and looked and looked and could not
find anything that looked out of the ordinary or was making noise. So,
we buttoned it all back up and took it for a drive in the dirt. We tried
forward and reverse in 2 high, 4 high, 4 low, and 2 low and could not
get it to make any noises. Everything sounded normal.
We figure that maybe something was caught somewhere in the driveline
hitting something else. I had looked and didn't see anything like that
on the trail, but maybe it was small enough to miss or hidden by
something else. It seemed to go away when I shifted in to 2wd on the
smooth road at the top on the way in to CK. Maybe the extra speed threw
the item out.
I'm going to run it through Box Canyon sometime soon to test it for a
longer period of time and to put the drivetrain under a little stress,
but nothing hard. We'll see what happens.
Chris K
44246 From: Clay Forrester <allvol@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 9:56pm
Subject: Re: Re: Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail Destroyers"
One more time....... If you will re-read my post you will see that I stated
this "Club" does NOT have to become and "official" club. I was merely
stating that the official clubs.....paying clubs dues, have a HUGE part in
keeping trails open for you and everyone else and to consider it as an
option.
Now with that being said. If you attend land closure meetings; Send money
to the originations that keep land usage open; Tread lightly and respect
public property, then you are not the intended audience. As far a "these
people coming to the table without knowledge of the group and not knowing
what VJC does to preserve public lands".........Well this person at the
table has heard plenty. If you are of the opinion that all 1400+ club
members in the VJC are land protecting, Eco-Nazis fighting, Tread lightly
Jeepers........MAN do you have some catching up to do. Just read some of the
treads that have been posted.
Look Stu, I'm not tying to start a pissing contest but I can assure you that
every other affiliated club in Arizona DOES do all the things I have stated
and more.......This is an undisputed fact.
Here, let me quiz you for just a second. Did you know that if someone camps
on public land has to have a permit? (new law) Did you know that ALL clubs
HAVE to post their club runs on their club page in advance? If you dought
any of this, just call you local "BLM" office and ask them for yourself.
Now I'm not talking about "organized permits." I'm talking about club people
camping out at AJ and wheelin over this weekend. I bet you 75% of the people
in this club did not know that.......And if you are a member of another AZ.
4X4 club, that does not count on your behalf........Look it up. Remember,
you ARE a club.....ie, group.
So the next time you or anyone else has a wildcat camping weekend at
AJ.....and do not pay.........Hmmmmmmm.
Clay Forrester
----- Original Message -----
From: "wishmaaker" <wishmaaker@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:23 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail Destroyers"
> You know lately it seems that a lot of folks are getting the kicks
> addressing the AzVjc in a
> negative way. I don't think a lot of these people come to the table
> with enough knowledge about
> the group to even suggest that we do nothing to preserve our Az public
> lands. I have only been a
> member since Nov., when I purchased my TJ, and yet I feel that I have
> learned so much not only
> about my jeeps and what it can do with it, but what I can do to
> protect and preserve public and
> blm lands . You don't have to be a paid (voted in) member to any
> such club to make a
> difference. A lot of clubs use the AzVjc 1400+ members to voice and
> action many events that
> make a difference to protect our rights to use public land. I have
> lived in Arizona on and off for
> the last 15 years and have seen many closures. Its going to be tough
> to keeps the last bit of
> unclosed trails open, weather your a voted member or not, its going to
> take everyone to protect
> our resources. I am proud to be a part of this group of un-organized
> organization.
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...> wrote:
> > I agree.....I agree. But I hope that you understood my point also. I
> was not
> > thinking about it and I did provide my email address. Also, I think
> that I'm
> > the only black Scrambler in town with "Scramzilla" painted on the
> hood. :-)
> > I'm easy to see.
> >
> > Clay Forrester
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
> > To: "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...>; "Scott Kruize"
> > <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@y...>; "Eric Marble"
> > <emarble3@p...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:28 PM
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> Destroyers"
> >
> >
> > > Clay,
> > >
> > > On line forums are a dime a dozen....and nameless keyboard cowboys
> that
> > post
> > > on them are even more common. I normally pay them as much
> attention as
> > the
> > > moron neighbor that lives down the street.
> > >
> > > If you have something worth saying, you have nothing to loose,
> IMO, if you
> > > back up your message with a name.
> > >
> > > If you can't get by that, then maybe you are wasting my time.
> Yes, the
> > gate
> > > does swing both ways.
> > >
> > > Stu
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Stu Olson
> > > www.stu-offroad.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Clay Forrester [mailto:allvol@c...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:15 PM
> > > To: Scott Kruize; az_vjc@y...; Stu Olson; Eric Marble
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> > > Destroyers"
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah....If they can't get by me not putting my real name.......I
> might as
> > > well quit wasting my time. Geeeessseee!
> > >
> > >
> > > Clay Forrester
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Eric Marble" <emarble3@p...>
> > > To: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@y...>;
> > > "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:21 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> > Destroyers"
> > >
> > >
> > > > I thought everyone knew Scramzilla.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
> > > > To: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@y...>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:10 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> > > Destroyers"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I mentioned this to another person earlier this week,
> Scott.....a lot
> > of
> > > > > talk from behind some screen name.
> > > > >
> > > > > Basically, I view it as spam crap. It hits the bit bucket
> with a
> > touch
> > > of
> > > > > the delete key just as fast as the unwanted mortgage refinance
> junk.
> > > > >
> > > > > If this irritates someone who feels compelled to use a screen
> name
> > > instead
> > > > > of their real one....well, that is your option and I am just
> > exercising
> > > > mine
> > > > > as I right this. ;) Life will go on.
> > > > >
> > > > > Timber Chucker!
> > > > >
> > > > > Stu Olson
> > > > > www.stu-offroad.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@e...]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:57 PM
> > > > > To: scramzilla; az_vjc@y...
> > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly
> Jeepers..Trail
> > > > > Destroyers"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree with you completely. One hint though...your post would
> be much
> > > > more
> > > > > credible if you poasted your real name on it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott K
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: scramzilla [mailto:allvol@c...]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 1:34 PM
> > > > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> > Destroyers"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Pulse found on dead horse!
> > > > >
> > > > > OK folks, I'm the guy who wrote the "Nearly Jeepers....Trail
> > > > > Destroyers" note. Although I did not link it to this group, (I
> did not
> > > > > know where it was) I'm glad somebody posted it. Now, I've read
> most of
> > > > > the messages and other than the Penis size fetish that this
> board has,
> > > > > and the over use of the phrase; "Dead horse," most of the
> discussion
> > > > > has been informative. Now with that being said, I'd like to
> address
> > > > > some of the other comments about the post and leave
> > > > > the......ahhhhhh........errrrrrrrr "other stuff" behind.
> > > > >
> > > > > My message was intended to drive home the fact that NOT every
> trail,
> > > > > is for everybody. BUT, if you absolutely must go on a trail
> that is
> > > > > MILES above your Jeeps capability and driving skill, leave the
> trail
> > > > > the way you found it!.....Its' that simple folks. Now I have
> read some
> > > > > posts that say the same thing and I applaud you. I like to
> drive on
> > > > > many types of trails......whatever mood I'm in dictates the
> trail that
> > > > > I will run....but here's the kicker; I can run then all! Yep!
> That's
> > > > > right. I built a rig that can go from 5+ to a 1. I had another
> Jeep
> > > > > that could not do the extreme trails so I built one that
> > > > > could.......because that's what I liked most.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is the issue at hand with me in regards to the lesser
> equipped
> > > > > and inexperienced wheelers. Why in the world would I spend
> tons of
> > > > > money on my rig to make it bullet proof and make it capable of
> doing
> > > > > the extreme trails only to have it wiped out by a different
> class of
> > > > > rigs that only desire to bring it down to "their" level of
> > > > > capability????? Why waste the time and money? I could just
> wait till
> > > > > (someone else) finds the new trail. Finds the entrances and
> exits and
> > > > > map it all out for me so I can get a few of my buds with
> hammers, crow
> > > > > bars and RR-cross ties and turn a 4/5 trail into a 2/3 trail
> so "I"
> > > > > could run it..........That's not right folks!
> > > > >
> > > > > Now as far as my "Keep your mouth shut" phrase with regards to
> "not
> > > > > tell everyone" where the new trails are.......U-betcha! It's
> not gonna
> > > > > happen. Like some of you have said. "I can go on any trail I
> > > > > want."....Yep! That's right. I can't stop you but you'll have
> to find
> > > > > them first. When is the last time you heard of a new trail????
> There
> > > > > are TONS of new trails out there but the word is no longer
> getting
> > > > > out.....mostly due to the fact that lesser equipped rigs are
> > > > > DESTROYING THEM! (bypasses ect) If you ever had to help drag a
> burnt
> > > > > out bone stock Jeep off an extreme trail that some yahoo left
> > > > > there.....maybe you would respect the rating system a little
> more.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, one more thing. There is NO better friend to have than
> someone
> > > > > with an "Extreme rig" on trail that you just happen to be on.
> We have
> > > > > air tanks. On board welders. almost every imaginable tool at
> parts to
> > > > > fix almost every imaginable break. I even carry parts that fit
> other
> > > > > peoples rigs just in case I could be of some help to someone.
> It's a
> > > > > great feeling to help a total stranger get out of a hopeless
> situation
> > > > > with no expectation of reward.....I'm happy to help.
> BUT......After
> > > > > what just happened to the "Highway to Hell" trail, my heart is
> just
> > > > > not into like it once was.....
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll get off my soap box not but just remember, there are a
> LOT of
> > > > > Jeepers in AZ. that spend TONS of money, go to land issue
> meeting to
> > > > > keep the trails open and love to wheel and camp with our dogs
> and
> > > > > family just like you do.......But we also like to go on trails
> that
> > > > > make us feel justified in the time and expense that we
> incurred
> > > > > building what we are proud to call our own creation.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Scramzilla
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
44247 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 9:58pm
Subject: Re: Re: Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail Destroyers"
Is there a place to join online? I'm guilty of not being a member of the
ASA.
Chris K
On Wednesday, February 27, 2002, at 10:58 PM, Bill Mish wrote:
> And you should be proud.
> Is pride enough?
> Don't know about you, but I spend allot of money on my Jeep every year,
> what's 20-30 bucks a year? Even if I do decide to go above and beyond
> that
> to protect my Jeepin' rights by attending meetings as an individual, I
> wouldn't consider the Dues as my release from liability to attend
> meetings
> concerning my land use. Vote me in, Yada,Yada, but don't mind me if I
> become
> PROACTIVE!!!
>
> Bill Mish
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wishmaaker" <wishmaaker@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:23 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> Destroyers"
>
>
>> You know lately it seems that a lot of folks are getting the kicks
>> addressing the AzVjc in a
>> negative way. I don't think a lot of these people come to the table
>> with enough knowledge about
>> the group to even suggest that we do nothing to preserve our Az public
>> lands. I have only been a
>> member since Nov., when I purchased my TJ, and yet I feel that I have
>> learned so much not only
>> about my jeeps and what it can do with it, but what I can do to
>> protect and preserve public and
>> blm lands . You don't have to be a paid (voted in) member to any
>> such club to make a
>> difference. A lot of clubs use the AzVjc 1400+ members to voice and
>> action many events that
>> make a difference to protect our rights to use public land. I have
>> lived in Arizona on and off for
>> the last 15 years and have seen many closures. Its going to be tough
>> to keeps the last bit of
>> unclosed trails open, weather your a voted member or not, its going to
>> take everyone to protect
>> our resources. I am proud to be a part of this group of un-organized
>> organization.
>>
>> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...> wrote:
>>> I agree.....I agree. But I hope that you understood my point also. I
>> was not
>>> thinking about it and I did provide my email address. Also, I think
>> that I'm
>>> the only black Scrambler in town with "Scramzilla" painted on the
>> hood. :-)
>>> I'm easy to see.
>>>
>>> Clay Forrester
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
>>> To: "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...>; "Scott Kruize"
>>> <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@y...>; "Eric Marble"
>>> <emarble3@p...>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:28 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
>> Destroyers"
>>>
>>>
>>>> Clay,
>>>>
>>>> On line forums are a dime a dozen....and nameless keyboard cowboys
>> that
>>> post
>>>> on them are even more common. I normally pay them as much
>> attention as
>>> the
>>>> moron neighbor that lives down the street.
>>>>
>>>> If you have something worth saying, you have nothing to loose,
>> IMO, if you
>>>> back up your message with a name.
>>>>
>>>> If you can't get by that, then maybe you are wasting my time.
>> Yes, the
>>> gate
>>>> does swing both ways.
>>>>
>>>> Stu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stu Olson
>>>> www.stu-offroad.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Clay Forrester [mailto:allvol@c...]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:15 PM
>>>> To: Scott Kruize; az_vjc@y...; Stu Olson; Eric Marble
>>>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
>>>> Destroyers"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah....If they can't get by me not putting my real name.......I
>> might as
>>>> well quit wasting my time. Geeeessseee!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Clay Forrester
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Eric Marble" <emarble3@p...>
>>>> To: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@y...>;
>>>> "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:21 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
>>> Destroyers"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I thought everyone knew Scramzilla.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
>>>>> To: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@y...>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:10 PM
>>>>> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
>>>> Destroyers"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I mentioned this to another person earlier this week,
>> Scott.....a lot
>>> of
>>>>>> talk from behind some screen name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Basically, I view it as spam crap. It hits the bit bucket
>> with a
>>> touch
>>>> of
>>>>>> the delete key just as fast as the unwanted mortgage refinance
>> junk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If this irritates someone who feels compelled to use a screen
>> name
>>>> instead
>>>>>> of their real one....well, that is your option and I am just
>>> exercising
>>>>> mine
>>>>>> as I right this. ;) Life will go on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Timber Chucker!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stu Olson
>>>>>> www.stu-offroad.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@e...]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:57 PM
>>>>>> To: scramzilla; az_vjc@y...
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly
>> Jeepers..Trail
>>>>>> Destroyers"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with you completely. One hint though...your post would
>> be much
>>>>> more
>>>>>> credible if you poasted your real name on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott K
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: scramzilla [mailto:allvol@c...]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 1:34 PM
>>>>>> To: az_vjc@y...
>>>>>> Subject: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
>>> Destroyers"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pulse found on dead horse!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK folks, I'm the guy who wrote the "Nearly Jeepers....Trail
>>>>>> Destroyers" note. Although I did not link it to this group, (I
>> did not
>>>>>> know where it was) I'm glad somebody posted it. Now, I've read
>> most of
>>>>>> the messages and other than the Penis size fetish that this
>> board has,
>>>>>> and the over use of the phrase; "Dead horse," most of the
>> discussion
>>>>>> has been informative. Now with that being said, I'd like to
>> address
>>>>>> some of the other comments about the post and leave
>>>>>> the......ahhhhhh........errrrrrrrr "other stuff" behind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My message was intended to drive home the fact that NOT every
>> trail,
>>>>>> is for everybody. BUT, if you absolutely must go on a trail
>> that is
>>>>>> MILES above your Jeeps capability and driving skill, leave the
>> trail
>>>>>> the way you found it!.....Its' that simple folks. Now I have
>> read some
>>>>>> posts that say the same thing and I applaud you. I like to
>> drive on
>>>>>> many types of trails......whatever mood I'm in dictates the
>> trail that
>>>>>> I will run....but here's the kicker; I can run then all! Yep!
>> That's
>>>>>> right. I built a rig that can go from 5+ to a 1. I had another
>> Jeep
>>>>>> that could not do the extreme trails so I built one that
>>>>>> could.......because that's what I liked most.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is the issue at hand with me in regards to the lesser
>> equipped
>>>>>> and inexperienced wheelers. Why in the world would I spend
>> tons of
>>>>>> money on my rig to make it bullet proof and make it capable of
>> doing
>>>>>> the extreme trails only to have it wiped out by a different
>> class of
>>>>>> rigs that only desire to bring it down to "their" level of
>>>>>> capability????? Why waste the time and money? I could just
>> wait till
>>>>>> (someone else) finds the new trail. Finds the entrances and
>> exits and
>>>>>> map it all out for me so I can get a few of my buds with
>> hammers, crow
>>>>>> bars and RR-cross ties and turn a 4/5 trail into a 2/3 trail
>> so "I"
>>>>>> could run it..........That's not right folks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now as far as my "Keep your mouth shut" phrase with regards to
>> "not
>>>>>> tell everyone" where the new trails are.......U-betcha! It's
>> not gonna
>>>>>> happen. Like some of you have said. "I can go on any trail I
>>>>>> want."....Yep! That's right. I can't stop you but you'll have
>> to find
>>>>>> them first. When is the last time you heard of a new trail????
>> There
>>>>>> are TONS of new trails out there but the word is no longer
>> getting
>>>>>> out.....mostly due to the fact that lesser equipped rigs are
>>>>>> DESTROYING THEM! (bypasses ect) If you ever had to help drag a
>> burnt
>>>>>> out bone stock Jeep off an extreme trail that some yahoo left
>>>>>> there.....maybe you would respect the rating system a little
>> more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, one more thing. There is NO better friend to have than
>> someone
>>>>>> with an "Extreme rig" on trail that you just happen to be on.
>> We have
>>>>>> air tanks. On board welders. almost every imaginable tool at
>> parts to
>>>>>> fix almost every imaginable break. I even carry parts that fit
>> other
>>>>>> peoples rigs just in case I could be of some help to someone.
>> It's a
>>>>>> great feeling to help a total stranger get out of a hopeless
>> situation
>>>>>> with no expectation of reward.....I'm happy to help.
>> BUT......After
>>>>>> what just happened to the "Highway to Hell" trail, my heart is
>> just
>>>>>> not into like it once was.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll get off my soap box not but just remember, there are a
>> LOT of
>>>>>> Jeepers in AZ. that spend TONS of money, go to land issue
>> meeting to
>>>>>> keep the trails open and love to wheel and camp with our dogs
>> and
>>>>>> family just like you do.......But we also like to go on trails
>> that
>>>>>> make us feel justified in the time and expense that we
>> incurred
>>>>>> building what we are proud to call our own creation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scramzilla
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>>>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>>>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>>>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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>>
>>
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>
>
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44248 From: Clay Forrester <allvol@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 9:58pm
Subject: Re: Topic change: Simma down NA!
Yep....I agree.
Clay Forrester
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "stinger75ih" <stinger75ih@c...>; "DougB"
<azjeep@c...>; "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:48 PM
Subject: Topic change: Simma down NA!
> ok, ok, OKAY!!!!!
> I know allot of the people in AZVJC (list), and I know Clay, Eric, Barry
> Sandee and 99.9% of the rest of their membership.
> Primary difference: NONE!!!
> Ohh all right, maybe some difference in vehicle preparation, but
> politically, and at heart, you guys are the same and bickering over the
> finer points. Knock it off!
>
> I may be speaking out of turn here, but I believe the message is:
> "Regardless of where you or your Jeep may be in your off road Evolution,
> there may be an organized true club into which you can fit in and is
> comfortable to you.
> This will actually help you along in growing and supporting your sport
more
> than hurt you."
>
> This doesn't mean you can't be HERE, in the AZVJC, too.
>
> Allot of us who are a little more active in this group (and behind the
> scenes) have tried several clubs and found them lacking. Does that mean we
> quit trying? Does that mean it's OK for us to impose our findings on
> another new member of the AZVJC as gospel? No, it doesn't and as far as I
> know, it hasn't been done, but then again, we all know how this email
thing
> can mislead emotion and meaning to a great degree. Especially when we want
> our voice to be heard.
>
> I would encourage everyone here who has read this far to investigate, ask
> questions about and even attend a meeting or two of an organized club. It
> doesn't mean you can't be here in the AZVJC, another group, or list too.
> If you do not find a club for you, give your money to the Arizona State
> Association Of 4 Wheel Drive Clubs as an individual member. It's the
least
> you can do.....
> If you happen to go to the Rockcrawling Exhibition this weekend, talk to
> people about their club affiliation.
> There's bound to be a club, group or organization for everyone, and if
not,
> there's always the ASA4WDC and whatever method you choose to get on the
> trail responsibly.
> I plan on doing exactly that, as my membership has recently expired.
(Bad
> Jeeper, no rockcrawling!)
> Bill Mish
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "stinger75ih" <stinger75ih@c...>; "DougB"
> <azjeep@c...>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks (more)........
>
>
> > That's basically what I said but maybe that part was not clear....and if
> so,
> > I apologize. Please keep up the good work.
> >
> > Clay Forrester
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "DougB" <azjeep@c...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "stinger75ih" <stinger75ih@c...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks (more)........
> >
> >
> > > I don't belong to any other club. I feel AzVJC has had and will
continue
> > to
> > > have a very positive impact.
> > >
> > > I'm a dues paying member of ASA and United. I've written many letters,
> > > attended many meetings, participated in many trail clean ups. Many
> other's
> > > in this group do exactly the same. I think the activism of AzVJC and
the
> > > lightning fast mechanism to spread the word about issues can be just
as
> > > affective, if not more so, then people who pay dues to a club and
attend
> > > monthly meetings.
> > >
> > > I think it will take all of us, both in organizations like AzVJC and
> > > structured clubs. No on has a corner on these issues.
> > >
> > > Happy Trails...
> > >
> > > Doug
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "stinger75ih" <stinger75ih@c...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:39 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks (more)........
> > >
> > >
> > > > I would agree that you don't HAVE to belong to an organized club to
> > > > do your part. But then comes the second part of the question:
> > > >
> > > > What are you doing to support the sport and give back some of what
> > > > you take?
> > > >
> > > > I would hope you do something other than take, take, take...
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Baja Fleg" <fleigle@h...> wrote:
> > > > > And that is your opinion. I don't feel like I HAVE to join a club
> > > > just to
> > > > > know how to wheel off-road nor do I want to be part of a club that
> > > > has
> > > > > bylaws and all that other B.S. The suggestion that I have to be
> > > > part of a
> > > > > club to make an impact is also just your opinion and in my opinion
> > > > wrong.
> > > > > Notice I said opinion folks! Of course opinions are like.....ah,
> > > > you know
> > > > > how the saying goes. Now I probably could really start a flame
war
> > > > here and
> > > > > keep going with the rest of this post but that really isn't what I
> > > > am trying
> > > > > to do, honest. And yes I do know who the "Blue Ribbon Coalition"
> > > > and
> > > > > "United" are thank you. Now to answer your question, surprise
> > > > surprise but
> > > > > I do not belong to an "official" club nor do I want to be part of
> > > > one.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > > Flame Suit activated!!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Message: 24
> > > > > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 02:32:54 -0000
> > > > > From: "scramzilla" <allvol@c...>
> > > > > Subject: Thanks (more)........
> > > > >
> > > > > I want to thank all the people that have email me directly and
> > > > > on the
> > > > > message board. For the most part, they have been very
> > > > > supportive. Now
> > > > > I would like to take the opportunity to address the big picture
> > > > > on
> > > > > trails and land use in general.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Arizona Virtual Jeep club is a large group with many
> > > > > members BUT
> > > > > has no club rights nor bylaws. Now I personally know some of the
> > > > > members and know that they are concurrent members of other clubs
> > > > > so
> > > > > to them, this message does no apply. Now to my question. How
> > > > > many
> > > > > members to the VJC do NOT belong to another affiliated club?
> > > > >
> > > > > Now I'm not suggesting that EVERY Yahoo message/club belong to
> > > > > some
> > > > > sore of recognized club but what we do... (4-wheelin')... very
> > > > > much
> > > > > needs active members that know ALL the rules to keep the
> > > > > ECO-Nazis
> > > > > off our collective backs. Not only will you learn the do's and
> > > > > don'ts
> > > > > of 4-wheelin, but you will also know when to show up for land
> > > > > issue
> > > > > meetings and make your voice heard when it comes to keeping the
> > > > > trails open for you and your children......who may or may not
> > > > > learn
> > > > > to enjoy the sport after you are to old and to heft your butt
> > > > > into
> > > > > the Jeep. :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > There is another BIG reason to join a club.....money! That's
> > > > > right,
> > > > > money. It's what makes the 4-wheelin' world go round. How you
> > > > > ask?
> > > > > Well I'll tell you. There are larger clubs out there that on a
> > > > > DAILY
> > > > > basis are fighting for your right to use public land....Did all
> > > > > of
> > > > > you know that???? I bet you some do not.....and that is very sad
> > > > > indeed. Clubs like the "Blue Ribbon Coalition" and "United" are
> > > > > fighting in courts and calling Public Officials to bend their
> > > > > ear to
> > > > > make OUR voices heard......and it's going on everyday folks,
> > > > > everyday!
> > > > >
> > > > > Now you might know where I'm headed with this by now but just in
> > > > > case, I'll clear it up. The money that "these" clubs get comes
> > > > > from
> > > > > you and me......no where else. Club membership plays a big part
> > > > > in
> > > > > raising money for theses Originations. Part of the money that
> > > > > people
> > > > > pay in "club dues" goes towards land issue battles that end up
> > > > > in
> > > > > court.......and we ALL know that Lawyers don't come cheap. They
> > > > > also
> > > > > use money donated by responsible 4-wheelers like you and I that
> > > > > know
> > > > > it's the only way our voice will be heard.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now you can either blow me off.....or you can listen to what I'm
> > > > > saying and have a HUGE impact on the issues surrounding that
> > > > > area in
> > > > > which we live by joining a local club....learning the do's and
> > > > > don't
> > > > > of 4-wheelin' and send a few $$$$ to help the people that keep
> > > > > Arizona public land open to all. You do NOT have to form
> > > > > an "official" club from the group of people....all I'm saying is
> > > > > visit a local Jeep chapter and get the Jeepin' scooby. There are
> > > > > many "unwritten" rules when it comes to trail riding that
> > > > > involve
> > > > > common courtesy just like in any sport......it's good to know
> > > > > them
> > > > > all.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Scramzilla
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > __________________________________________________ _______________
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> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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44249 From: Nick <nnote@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 8:13pm
Subject: Re: Lack of power
Bang on your Catalitic converter and see if it rattles. A clogged cat can sneakily do just what you subscribed.
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris benner
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:00 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Lack of power
Okay I'm not a jeep mechanic, but I try to do whatever is needed all on my own. lately I've been feeling like my jeep is lacking power in the upper gears. Like, I don't even shift into 5th anymore on the freeway. Nothing major was changed recently, just feels a little doggy. What should I check? I had the oil changed and recharged my K&N. What are the symptons of bad spark plugs? I'm at 61K miles and I'm sure the dealer never changed the plugs.
- Chris
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44250 From: David Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 10:13pm
Subject: RE: Lift...
the super 35 kit now comes with your choice of a detroit locker or an ox
locker
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Siade, Randy" <randy.siade@u...>
To: "'Robert McNeeley'" <robert.mcneeley@p...>,
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Lift...
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:37:26 -0600
The Super 35 kit is maid my Superior and is comes with a Detroit locker and
bigger chrommoly axels. The D35 is famous for breaking axels, carriers and
bending axel housings.
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert McNeeley [mailto:robert.mcneeley@p...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:23 PM
To: Siade, Randy; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Lift...
Break the bank? What bank? Im still working on me degree ($$$)... I think Im
going to go with the sawzaw method and start hacking till I can fit big
rubber under it. :) Wow the 33's are looking good now. ;>Thank you all for
the info. Fred you asked if I was auto or 5spd... 5spd with a D35 and a
locker running 3.73 as of now. What is a super 35 kit? Like I said I know
nothing :) But I am willing to ask and learn.
Thanks again
Fat Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Siade, Randy [mailto:randy.siade@u...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:41 AM
To: 'Robert McNeeley'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Lift...
I am not a TJ expert(i am a CJ type guy) so I am sure if I get this wrong
some one will let us know.
To clear 35" tires plan on a 5 1/2" lift kit. as for the gears I would go
with 4.56:1 and while you are at it might as well do the super 35 kit in the
rear if you are running the D35. If you are running the D44 than but a
Detroit locker back there and an ARB in the front.
Opps did I just break your bank?
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert McNeeley [mailto:robert.mcneeley@p...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:09 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Lift...
I don't know much (nothing at all) about this. I have a 00TJ and was told
that I should ask all of you what is the best way to go when doing a lift. I
want to end up with 35" rubber under the jeep. I was thinking of only going
33's but if I am spending that much money why not go all the way. What gears
do I need to run? Other modifications? Thanks for any advice or experiences.
Fat Bob
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44251 From: paparoach85251 <lespaparoach@m...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 8:42pm
Subject: great service at OR-Fab
Just thought I would pass along a positive comment about one of our
local vendors. When I tried to put my top up yesterday so I could
wash the Crown King trail dust off my Jeep (you guys know how anal I
am about cleaning my Jeep), I noticed that it would no longer go on
over my new sport cage. I called Mark at OR Fab and he asked me to
bring it by so they could take a look. When I got to the shop today
we discovered that the factory had left my stock roll bar wider than
usual (yes they are adjustable). Mark and Wayne took time out of
their day to pull out my cage, make a minor adjustment to bring it in
some and reinstalled everything. Mark even looked over my tire
carrier that I bought from them and gave me a couple pieces that
seemed to have been left out when I bought it 6 months ago. When I
got home my top went on without any problems and my Jeep is now shiny
and clean. Chalk me up as another very satisfied customer of OR-Fab's.
Thanks Mark and Wayne!
Les
44252 From: David Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 10:32pm
Subject: Re: My front end noises - what we found
a rock in the disc brake sheild?
----Original Message Follows----
From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
To: Azvjc (E-mail) <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [az_vjc] My front end noises - what we found
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:54:24 -0700
Absolutely nothing!
We can't duplicate the sounds at all. DougB came over tonight. We had
the front diff cover off and we look and looked and looked and could not
find anything that looked out of the ordinary or was making noise. So,
we buttoned it all back up and took it for a drive in the dirt. We tried
forward and reverse in 2 high, 4 high, 4 low, and 2 low and could not
get it to make any noises. Everything sounded normal.
We figure that maybe something was caught somewhere in the driveline
hitting something else. I had looked and didn't see anything like that
on the trail, but maybe it was small enough to miss or hidden by
something else. It seemed to go away when I shifted in to 2wd on the
smooth road at the top on the way in to CK. Maybe the extra speed threw
the item out.
I'm going to run it through Box Canyon sometime soon to test it for a
longer period of time and to put the drivetrain under a little stress,
but nothing hard. We'll see what happens.
Chris K
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44253 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 10:42pm
Subject: Re: Foot in mouth disease
Nope, as far as your concerned, all this means is you no longer have the
crown!
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>
To: "vpheiple" <vpheiple@m...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:49 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Foot in mouth disease
> Does this mean that Vern has inherited "the Crown" from David Withers as
> most controversial member?
>
> Hehehehehe
>
> Scott K - owner of "The Crown" for the first few years of the AZVJC.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vpheiple [mailto:vpheiple@m...]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:23 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Foot in mouth disease
>
>
> At the risk of putting it there again I have to say all of your
> resonses have been great, I have had trouble finding getalife.com and
> the site about the door hitting me in the ***, I would have to say I
> could not have been more wrong, I have to admit that part of my
> comments had to do with the Nearly Jeepers comment, although I agree
> completely with what was said about staying off of trails that you
> don't belong on and not ruining the exsisting trails, the way it was
> stated made me feel like if I didn't have the experience or right
> equipment I didn't belong in this club. That is why I asked about
> different clubs with the attitude. From all of the responses I have
> gotten and can see that I was completely and totally wrong and spoke
> out of turn. Your club rocks and the people seem to be honest and
> sincere. I am sorry that I can't take back the statement about small
> units, but if the shoe fits. Any of you hardcore people feel like
> taking me to the top of a mountain somewhere and leaving me let me
> know, my Fiance says I could use the exercise.
>
> Vern Heiple
>
> p.s. My fiance and her friends really do say that about the tires and
> lifts. Yes I have a lift and bigger tires, and I am big enough to
> admit that I fit the stereotype.
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
44235 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 8:30pm
Subject: Re: Re: Thanks (more)........
I don't belong to any other club. I feel AzVJC has had and will continue to
have a very positive impact.
I'm a dues paying member of ASA and United. I've written many letters,
attended many meetings, participated in many trail clean ups. Many other's
in this group do exactly the same. I think the activism of AzVJC and the
lightning fast mechanism to spread the word about issues can be just as
affective, if not more so, then people who pay dues to a club and attend
monthly meetings.
I think it will take all of us, both in organizations like AzVJC and
structured clubs. No on has a corner on these issues.
Happy Trails...
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "stinger75ih" <stinger75ih@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:39 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks (more)........
> I would agree that you don't HAVE to belong to an organized club to
> do your part. But then comes the second part of the question:
>
> What are you doing to support the sport and give back some of what
> you take?
>
> I would hope you do something other than take, take, take...
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Baja Fleg" <fleigle@h...> wrote:
> > And that is your opinion. I don't feel like I HAVE to join a club
> just to
> > know how to wheel off-road nor do I want to be part of a club that
> has
> > bylaws and all that other B.S. The suggestion that I have to be
> part of a
> > club to make an impact is also just your opinion and in my opinion
> wrong.
> > Notice I said opinion folks! Of course opinions are like.....ah,
> you know
> > how the saying goes. Now I probably could really start a flame war
> here and
> > keep going with the rest of this post but that really isn't what I
> am trying
> > to do, honest. And yes I do know who the "Blue Ribbon Coalition"
> and
> > "United" are thank you. Now to answer your question, surprise
> surprise but
> > I do not belong to an "official" club nor do I want to be part of
> one.
> >
> > Michael
> > Flame Suit activated!!!
> >
> >
> > Message: 24
> > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 02:32:54 -0000
> > From: "scramzilla" <allvol@c...>
> > Subject: Thanks (more)........
> >
> > I want to thank all the people that have email me directly and
> > on the
> > message board. For the most part, they have been very
> > supportive. Now
> > I would like to take the opportunity to address the big picture
> > on
> > trails and land use in general.
> >
> > The Arizona Virtual Jeep club is a large group with many
> > members BUT
> > has no club rights nor bylaws. Now I personally know some of the
> > members and know that they are concurrent members of other clubs
> > so
> > to them, this message does no apply. Now to my question. How
> > many
> > members to the VJC do NOT belong to another affiliated club?
> >
> > Now I'm not suggesting that EVERY Yahoo message/club belong to
> > some
> > sore of recognized club but what we do... (4-wheelin')... very
> > much
> > needs active members that know ALL the rules to keep the
> > ECO-Nazis
> > off our collective backs. Not only will you learn the do's and
> > don'ts
> > of 4-wheelin, but you will also know when to show up for land
> > issue
> > meetings and make your voice heard when it comes to keeping the
> > trails open for you and your children......who may or may not
> > learn
> > to enjoy the sport after you are to old and to heft your butt
> > into
> > the Jeep. :-)
> >
> > There is another BIG reason to join a club.....money! That's
> > right,
> > money. It's what makes the 4-wheelin' world go round. How you
> > ask?
> > Well I'll tell you. There are larger clubs out there that on a
> > DAILY
> > basis are fighting for your right to use public land....Did all
> > of
> > you know that???? I bet you some do not.....and that is very sad
> > indeed. Clubs like the "Blue Ribbon Coalition" and "United" are
> > fighting in courts and calling Public Officials to bend their
> > ear to
> > make OUR voices heard......and it's going on everyday folks,
> > everyday!
> >
> > Now you might know where I'm headed with this by now but just in
> > case, I'll clear it up. The money that "these" clubs get comes
> > from
> > you and me......no where else. Club membership plays a big part
> > in
> > raising money for theses Originations. Part of the money that
> > people
> > pay in "club dues" goes towards land issue battles that end up
> > in
> > court.......and we ALL know that Lawyers don't come cheap. They
> > also
> > use money donated by responsible 4-wheelers like you and I that
> > know
> > it's the only way our voice will be heard.
> >
> > Now you can either blow me off.....or you can listen to what I'm
> > saying and have a HUGE impact on the issues surrounding that
> > area in
> > which we live by joining a local club....learning the do's and
> > don't
> > of 4-wheelin' and send a few $$$$ to help the people that keep
> > Arizona public land open to all. You do NOT have to form
> > an "official" club from the group of people....all I'm saying is
> > visit a local Jeep chapter and get the Jeepin' scooby. There are
> > many "unwritten" rules when it comes to trail riding that
> > involve
> > common courtesy just like in any sport......it's good to know
> > them
> > all.
> >
> >
> > Scramzilla
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________ _______________
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44236 From: Clay Forrester <allvol@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 8:29pm
Subject: Re: Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail Destroyers"
I agree.....I agree. But I hope that you understood my point also. I was not
thinking about it and I did provide my email address. Also, I think that I'm
the only black Scrambler in town with "Scramzilla" painted on the hood. :-)
I'm easy to see.
Clay Forrester
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
To: "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...>; "Scott Kruize"
<scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Eric Marble"
<emarble3@p...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:28 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail Destroyers"
> Clay,
>
> On line forums are a dime a dozen....and nameless keyboard cowboys that
post
> on them are even more common. I normally pay them as much attention as
the
> moron neighbor that lives down the street.
>
> If you have something worth saying, you have nothing to loose, IMO, if you
> back up your message with a name.
>
> If you can't get by that, then maybe you are wasting my time. Yes, the
gate
> does swing both ways.
>
> Stu
>
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clay Forrester [mailto:allvol@c...]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:15 PM
> To: Scott Kruize; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Stu Olson; Eric Marble
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> Destroyers"
>
>
> Yeah....If they can't get by me not putting my real name.......I might as
> well quit wasting my time. Geeeessseee!
>
>
> Clay Forrester
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Marble" <emarble3@p...>
> To: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>;
> "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
Destroyers"
>
>
> > I thought everyone knew Scramzilla.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
> > To: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:10 PM
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> Destroyers"
> >
> >
> > > I mentioned this to another person earlier this week, Scott.....a lot
of
> > > talk from behind some screen name.
> > >
> > > Basically, I view it as spam crap. It hits the bit bucket with a
touch
> of
> > > the delete key just as fast as the unwanted mortgage refinance junk.
> > >
> > > If this irritates someone who feels compelled to use a screen name
> instead
> > > of their real one....well, that is your option and I am just
exercising
> > mine
> > > as I right this. ;) Life will go on.
> > >
> > > Timber Chucker!
> > >
> > > Stu Olson
> > > www.stu-offroad.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@e...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:57 PM
> > > To: scramzilla; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> > > Destroyers"
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree with you completely. One hint though...your post would be much
> > more
> > > credible if you poasted your real name on it.
> > >
> > > Scott K
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: scramzilla [mailto:allvol@c...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 1:34 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
Destroyers"
> > >
> > >
> > > Pulse found on dead horse!
> > >
> > > OK folks, I'm the guy who wrote the "Nearly Jeepers....Trail
> > > Destroyers" note. Although I did not link it to this group, (I did not
> > > know where it was) I'm glad somebody posted it. Now, I've read most of
> > > the messages and other than the Penis size fetish that this board has,
> > > and the over use of the phrase; "Dead horse," most of the discussion
> > > has been informative. Now with that being said, I'd like to address
> > > some of the other comments about the post and leave
> > > the......ahhhhhh........errrrrrrrr "other stuff" behind.
> > >
> > > My message was intended to drive home the fact that NOT every trail,
> > > is for everybody. BUT, if you absolutely must go on a trail that is
> > > MILES above your Jeeps capability and driving skill, leave the trail
> > > the way you found it!.....Its' that simple folks. Now I have read some
> > > posts that say the same thing and I applaud you. I like to drive on
> > > many types of trails......whatever mood I'm in dictates the trail that
> > > I will run....but here's the kicker; I can run then all! Yep! That's
> > > right. I built a rig that can go from 5+ to a 1. I had another Jeep
> > > that could not do the extreme trails so I built one that
> > > could.......because that's what I liked most.
> > >
> > > Here is the issue at hand with me in regards to the lesser equipped
> > > and inexperienced wheelers. Why in the world would I spend tons of
> > > money on my rig to make it bullet proof and make it capable of doing
> > > the extreme trails only to have it wiped out by a different class of
> > > rigs that only desire to bring it down to "their" level of
> > > capability????? Why waste the time and money? I could just wait till
> > > (someone else) finds the new trail. Finds the entrances and exits and
> > > map it all out for me so I can get a few of my buds with hammers, crow
> > > bars and RR-cross ties and turn a 4/5 trail into a 2/3 trail so "I"
> > > could run it..........That's not right folks!
> > >
> > > Now as far as my "Keep your mouth shut" phrase with regards to "not
> > > tell everyone" where the new trails are.......U-betcha! It's not gonna
> > > happen. Like some of you have said. "I can go on any trail I
> > > want."....Yep! That's right. I can't stop you but you'll have to find
> > > them first. When is the last time you heard of a new trail???? There
> > > are TONS of new trails out there but the word is no longer getting
> > > out.....mostly due to the fact that lesser equipped rigs are
> > > DESTROYING THEM! (bypasses ect) If you ever had to help drag a burnt
> > > out bone stock Jeep off an extreme trail that some yahoo left
> > > there.....maybe you would respect the rating system a little more.
> > >
> > > Oh, one more thing. There is NO better friend to have than someone
> > > with an "Extreme rig" on trail that you just happen to be on. We have
> > > air tanks. On board welders. almost every imaginable tool at parts to
> > > fix almost every imaginable break. I even carry parts that fit other
> > > peoples rigs just in case I could be of some help to someone. It's a
> > > great feeling to help a total stranger get out of a hopeless situation
> > > with no expectation of reward.....I'm happy to help. BUT......After
> > > what just happened to the "Highway to Hell" trail, my heart is just
> > > not into like it once was.....
> > >
> > > I'll get off my soap box not but just remember, there are a LOT of
> > > Jeepers in AZ. that spend TONS of money, go to land issue meeting to
> > > keep the trails open and love to wheel and camp with our dogs and
> > > family just like you do.......But we also like to go on trails that
> > > make us feel justified in the time and expense that we incurred
> > > building what we are proud to call our own creation.
> > >
> > >
> > > Scramzilla
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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44237 From: Clay Forrester <allvol@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 8:32pm
Subject: Re: Re: Thanks (more)........
That's basically what I said but maybe that part was not clear....and if so,
I apologize. Please keep up the good work.
Clay Forrester
----- Original Message -----
From: "DougB" <azjeep@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "stinger75ih" <stinger75ih@c...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks (more)........
> I don't belong to any other club. I feel AzVJC has had and will continue
to
> have a very positive impact.
>
> I'm a dues paying member of ASA and United. I've written many letters,
> attended many meetings, participated in many trail clean ups. Many other's
> in this group do exactly the same. I think the activism of AzVJC and the
> lightning fast mechanism to spread the word about issues can be just as
> affective, if not more so, then people who pay dues to a club and attend
> monthly meetings.
>
> I think it will take all of us, both in organizations like AzVJC and
> structured clubs. No on has a corner on these issues.
>
> Happy Trails...
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stinger75ih" <stinger75ih@c...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:39 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks (more)........
>
>
> > I would agree that you don't HAVE to belong to an organized club to
> > do your part. But then comes the second part of the question:
> >
> > What are you doing to support the sport and give back some of what
> > you take?
> >
> > I would hope you do something other than take, take, take...
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Baja Fleg" <fleigle@h...> wrote:
> > > And that is your opinion. I don't feel like I HAVE to join a club
> > just to
> > > know how to wheel off-road nor do I want to be part of a club that
> > has
> > > bylaws and all that other B.S. The suggestion that I have to be
> > part of a
> > > club to make an impact is also just your opinion and in my opinion
> > wrong.
> > > Notice I said opinion folks! Of course opinions are like.....ah,
> > you know
> > > how the saying goes. Now I probably could really start a flame war
> > here and
> > > keep going with the rest of this post but that really isn't what I
> > am trying
> > > to do, honest. And yes I do know who the "Blue Ribbon Coalition"
> > and
> > > "United" are thank you. Now to answer your question, surprise
> > surprise but
> > > I do not belong to an "official" club nor do I want to be part of
> > one.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > > Flame Suit activated!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Message: 24
> > > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 02:32:54 -0000
> > > From: "scramzilla" <allvol@c...>
> > > Subject: Thanks (more)........
> > >
> > > I want to thank all the people that have email me directly and
> > > on the
> > > message board. For the most part, they have been very
> > > supportive. Now
> > > I would like to take the opportunity to address the big picture
> > > on
> > > trails and land use in general.
> > >
> > > The Arizona Virtual Jeep club is a large group with many
> > > members BUT
> > > has no club rights nor bylaws. Now I personally know some of the
> > > members and know that they are concurrent members of other clubs
> > > so
> > > to them, this message does no apply. Now to my question. How
> > > many
> > > members to the VJC do NOT belong to another affiliated club?
> > >
> > > Now I'm not suggesting that EVERY Yahoo message/club belong to
> > > some
> > > sore of recognized club but what we do... (4-wheelin')... very
> > > much
> > > needs active members that know ALL the rules to keep the
> > > ECO-Nazis
> > > off our collective backs. Not only will you learn the do's and
> > > don'ts
> > > of 4-wheelin, but you will also know when to show up for land
> > > issue
> > > meetings and make your voice heard when it comes to keeping the
> > > trails open for you and your children......who may or may not
> > > learn
> > > to enjoy the sport after you are to old and to heft your butt
> > > into
> > > the Jeep. :-)
> > >
> > > There is another BIG reason to join a club.....money! That's
> > > right,
> > > money. It's what makes the 4-wheelin' world go round. How you
> > > ask?
> > > Well I'll tell you. There are larger clubs out there that on a
> > > DAILY
> > > basis are fighting for your right to use public land....Did all
> > > of
> > > you know that???? I bet you some do not.....and that is very sad
> > > indeed. Clubs like the "Blue Ribbon Coalition" and "United" are
> > > fighting in courts and calling Public Officials to bend their
> > > ear to
> > > make OUR voices heard......and it's going on everyday folks,
> > > everyday!
> > >
> > > Now you might know where I'm headed with this by now but just in
> > > case, I'll clear it up. The money that "these" clubs get comes
> > > from
> > > you and me......no where else. Club membership plays a big part
> > > in
> > > raising money for theses Originations. Part of the money that
> > > people
> > > pay in "club dues" goes towards land issue battles that end up
> > > in
> > > court.......and we ALL know that Lawyers don't come cheap. They
> > > also
> > > use money donated by responsible 4-wheelers like you and I that
> > > know
> > > it's the only way our voice will be heard.
> > >
> > > Now you can either blow me off.....or you can listen to what I'm
> > > saying and have a HUGE impact on the issues surrounding that
> > > area in
> > > which we live by joining a local club....learning the do's and
> > > don't
> > > of 4-wheelin' and send a few $$$$ to help the people that keep
> > > Arizona public land open to all. You do NOT have to form
> > > an "official" club from the group of people....all I'm saying is
> > > visit a local Jeep chapter and get the Jeepin' scooby. There are
> > > many "unwritten" rules when it comes to trail riding that
> > > involve
> > > common courtesy just like in any sport......it's good to know
> > > them
> > > all.
> > >
> > >
> > > Scramzilla
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________ _______________
> > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger:
> > http://messenger.msn.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
44238 From: ccgaiser <ccgaiser@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 8:34pm
Subject: Re: Scout Dana 44's
Where did you get both axles for that money?!!!!
Chris
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Clint Ramsey" <cwramsey@t...> wrote:
> Just bought front and rear Scout 44's for $50. The front needs R&P
but
> I was gonna change them to 4.56's anyway.
44239 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 8:47pm
Subject: Re: Radio
TJ?
> From: "wishmaaker" <wishmaaker@y...>
> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:45:43 -0000
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Radio
>
> okay who knows how to removed the plastic around the radio?
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
44240 From: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 8:18pm
Subject: RE: Re: Scout Dana 44's
A guy I grew up with
Clint
-----Original Message-----
From:
sentto-1011514-37051-1014870884-cwramsey=theriver.com@r...
oo.com
[mailto:sentto-1011514-37051-1014870884-cwramsey=theriver.com@r...
oups.yahoo.com] On Behalf Of ccgaiser
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:35 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Scout Dana 44's
Where did you get both axles for that money?!!!!
Chris
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Clint Ramsey" <cwramsey@t...> wrote:
> Just bought front and rear Scout 44's for $50. The front needs R&P
but
> I was gonna change them to 4.56's anyway.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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44241 From: stinger75ih <stinger75ih@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 9:12pm
Subject: AZVJC off on rampage
Clay, I have to hand it to you... I think you now have the record on
one of the longest threads in AZVJC history. Damm I'm glad I have
turned off email from that group and only read it on the web. I think
several people will suffer mailbox overload on this one.
You have probably noticed that there are about a dozen or so that
regularly reply and in general I think those are the ones who have an
understanding and are doing something... problem is they can't put
their egos aside.
Hopefully the hoards of silent members that are out there will pick
up something from this and it will make an impression. There will be
others that could care less what is said and will continue to take
and take with little regard for what the future may be.
I have been on the sidelines out there for quite awhile and it amazes
me what some of these people will say and the disregard they have in
throwing out track information and directions to trails to 1000+
members. People will hand out info to someone they have never even
met to find trails. And we wonder why we are seeing more damage and
yahoos on the trails?
This has been an interesting exchange out there and I'm sure it will
continue some. It has been readily apparant that the people you hear
from out there are the ones already trying to do their share. The
rest you won't hear from when you ask them to stand up and be counted.
Mark
PS: Hang in there... educating the unwilling is a most challenging
chore.
44242 From: wishmaaker <wishmaaker@y...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 9:23pm
Subject: Re: Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail Destroyers"
You know lately it seems that a lot of folks are getting the kicks
addressing the AzVjc in a
negative way. I don't think a lot of these people come to the table
with enough knowledge about
the group to even suggest that we do nothing to preserve our Az public
lands. I have only been a
member since Nov., when I purchased my TJ, and yet I feel that I have
learned so much not only
about my jeeps and what it can do with it, but what I can do to
protect and preserve public and
blm lands . You don't have to be a paid (voted in) member to any
such club to make a
difference. A lot of clubs use the AzVjc 1400+ members to voice and
action many events that
make a difference to protect our rights to use public land. I have
lived in Arizona on and off for
the last 15 years and have seen many closures. Its going to be tough
to keeps the last bit of
unclosed trails open, weather your a voted member or not, its going to
take everyone to protect
our resources. I am proud to be a part of this group of un-organized
organization.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...> wrote:
> I agree.....I agree. But I hope that you understood my point also. I
was not
> thinking about it and I did provide my email address. Also, I think
that I'm
> the only black Scrambler in town with "Scramzilla" painted on the
hood. :-)
> I'm easy to see.
>
> Clay Forrester
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
> To: "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...>; "Scott Kruize"
> <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@y...>; "Eric Marble"
> <emarble3@p...>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:28 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
Destroyers"
>
>
> > Clay,
> >
> > On line forums are a dime a dozen....and nameless keyboard cowboys
that
> post
> > on them are even more common. I normally pay them as much
attention as
> the
> > moron neighbor that lives down the street.
> >
> > If you have something worth saying, you have nothing to loose,
IMO, if you
> > back up your message with a name.
> >
> > If you can't get by that, then maybe you are wasting my time.
Yes, the
> gate
> > does swing both ways.
> >
> > Stu
> >
> >
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Clay Forrester [mailto:allvol@c...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:15 PM
> > To: Scott Kruize; az_vjc@y...; Stu Olson; Eric Marble
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> > Destroyers"
> >
> >
> > Yeah....If they can't get by me not putting my real name.......I
might as
> > well quit wasting my time. Geeeessseee!
> >
> >
> > Clay Forrester
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Eric Marble" <emarble3@p...>
> > To: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@y...>;
> > "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> Destroyers"
> >
> >
> > > I thought everyone knew Scramzilla.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
> > > To: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@y...>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:10 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> > Destroyers"
> > >
> > >
> > > > I mentioned this to another person earlier this week,
Scott.....a lot
> of
> > > > talk from behind some screen name.
> > > >
> > > > Basically, I view it as spam crap. It hits the bit bucket
with a
> touch
> > of
> > > > the delete key just as fast as the unwanted mortgage refinance
junk.
> > > >
> > > > If this irritates someone who feels compelled to use a screen
name
> > instead
> > > > of their real one....well, that is your option and I am just
> exercising
> > > mine
> > > > as I right this. ;) Life will go on.
> > > >
> > > > Timber Chucker!
> > > >
> > > > Stu Olson
> > > > www.stu-offroad.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@e...]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:57 PM
> > > > To: scramzilla; az_vjc@y...
> > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly
Jeepers..Trail
> > > > Destroyers"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree with you completely. One hint though...your post would
be much
> > > more
> > > > credible if you poasted your real name on it.
> > > >
> > > > Scott K
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: scramzilla [mailto:allvol@c...]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 1:34 PM
> > > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> Destroyers"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Pulse found on dead horse!
> > > >
> > > > OK folks, I'm the guy who wrote the "Nearly Jeepers....Trail
> > > > Destroyers" note. Although I did not link it to this group, (I
did not
> > > > know where it was) I'm glad somebody posted it. Now, I've read
most of
> > > > the messages and other than the Penis size fetish that this
board has,
> > > > and the over use of the phrase; "Dead horse," most of the
discussion
> > > > has been informative. Now with that being said, I'd like to
address
> > > > some of the other comments about the post and leave
> > > > the......ahhhhhh........errrrrrrrr "other stuff" behind.
> > > >
> > > > My message was intended to drive home the fact that NOT every
trail,
> > > > is for everybody. BUT, if you absolutely must go on a trail
that is
> > > > MILES above your Jeeps capability and driving skill, leave the
trail
> > > > the way you found it!.....Its' that simple folks. Now I have
read some
> > > > posts that say the same thing and I applaud you. I like to
drive on
> > > > many types of trails......whatever mood I'm in dictates the
trail that
> > > > I will run....but here's the kicker; I can run then all! Yep!
That's
> > > > right. I built a rig that can go from 5+ to a 1. I had another
Jeep
> > > > that could not do the extreme trails so I built one that
> > > > could.......because that's what I liked most.
> > > >
> > > > Here is the issue at hand with me in regards to the lesser
equipped
> > > > and inexperienced wheelers. Why in the world would I spend
tons of
> > > > money on my rig to make it bullet proof and make it capable of
doing
> > > > the extreme trails only to have it wiped out by a different
class of
> > > > rigs that only desire to bring it down to "their" level of
> > > > capability????? Why waste the time and money? I could just
wait till
> > > > (someone else) finds the new trail. Finds the entrances and
exits and
> > > > map it all out for me so I can get a few of my buds with
hammers, crow
> > > > bars and RR-cross ties and turn a 4/5 trail into a 2/3 trail
so "I"
> > > > could run it..........That's not right folks!
> > > >
> > > > Now as far as my "Keep your mouth shut" phrase with regards to
"not
> > > > tell everyone" where the new trails are.......U-betcha! It's
not gonna
> > > > happen. Like some of you have said. "I can go on any trail I
> > > > want."....Yep! That's right. I can't stop you but you'll have
to find
> > > > them first. When is the last time you heard of a new trail????
There
> > > > are TONS of new trails out there but the word is no longer
getting
> > > > out.....mostly due to the fact that lesser equipped rigs are
> > > > DESTROYING THEM! (bypasses ect) If you ever had to help drag a
burnt
> > > > out bone stock Jeep off an extreme trail that some yahoo left
> > > > there.....maybe you would respect the rating system a little
more.
> > > >
> > > > Oh, one more thing. There is NO better friend to have than
someone
> > > > with an "Extreme rig" on trail that you just happen to be on.
We have
> > > > air tanks. On board welders. almost every imaginable tool at
parts to
> > > > fix almost every imaginable break. I even carry parts that fit
other
> > > > peoples rigs just in case I could be of some help to someone.
It's a
> > > > great feeling to help a total stranger get out of a hopeless
situation
> > > > with no expectation of reward.....I'm happy to help.
BUT......After
> > > > what just happened to the "Highway to Hell" trail, my heart is
just
> > > > not into like it once was.....
> > > >
> > > > I'll get off my soap box not but just remember, there are a
LOT of
> > > > Jeepers in AZ. that spend TONS of money, go to land issue
meeting to
> > > > keep the trails open and love to wheel and camp with our dogs
and
> > > > family just like you do.......But we also like to go on trails
that
> > > > make us feel justified in the time and expense that we
incurred
> > > > building what we are proud to call our own creation.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Scramzilla
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> >
> >
44243 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 9:58pm
Subject: Re: Re: Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail Destroyers"
And you should be proud.
Is pride enough?
Don't know about you, but I spend allot of money on my Jeep every year,
what's 20-30 bucks a year? Even if I do decide to go above and beyond that
to protect my Jeepin' rights by attending meetings as an individual, I
wouldn't consider the Dues as my release from liability to attend meetings
concerning my land use. Vote me in, Yada,Yada, but don't mind me if I become
PROACTIVE!!!
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: "wishmaaker" <wishmaaker@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:23 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail Destroyers"
> You know lately it seems that a lot of folks are getting the kicks
> addressing the AzVjc in a
> negative way. I don't think a lot of these people come to the table
> with enough knowledge about
> the group to even suggest that we do nothing to preserve our Az public
> lands. I have only been a
> member since Nov., when I purchased my TJ, and yet I feel that I have
> learned so much not only
> about my jeeps and what it can do with it, but what I can do to
> protect and preserve public and
> blm lands . You don't have to be a paid (voted in) member to any
> such club to make a
> difference. A lot of clubs use the AzVjc 1400+ members to voice and
> action many events that
> make a difference to protect our rights to use public land. I have
> lived in Arizona on and off for
> the last 15 years and have seen many closures. Its going to be tough
> to keeps the last bit of
> unclosed trails open, weather your a voted member or not, its going to
> take everyone to protect
> our resources. I am proud to be a part of this group of un-organized
> organization.
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...> wrote:
> > I agree.....I agree. But I hope that you understood my point also. I
> was not
> > thinking about it and I did provide my email address. Also, I think
> that I'm
> > the only black Scrambler in town with "Scramzilla" painted on the
> hood. :-)
> > I'm easy to see.
> >
> > Clay Forrester
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
> > To: "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...>; "Scott Kruize"
> > <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@y...>; "Eric Marble"
> > <emarble3@p...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:28 PM
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> Destroyers"
> >
> >
> > > Clay,
> > >
> > > On line forums are a dime a dozen....and nameless keyboard cowboys
> that
> > post
> > > on them are even more common. I normally pay them as much
> attention as
> > the
> > > moron neighbor that lives down the street.
> > >
> > > If you have something worth saying, you have nothing to loose,
> IMO, if you
> > > back up your message with a name.
> > >
> > > If you can't get by that, then maybe you are wasting my time.
> Yes, the
> > gate
> > > does swing both ways.
> > >
> > > Stu
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Stu Olson
> > > www.stu-offroad.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Clay Forrester [mailto:allvol@c...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:15 PM
> > > To: Scott Kruize; az_vjc@y...; Stu Olson; Eric Marble
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> > > Destroyers"
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah....If they can't get by me not putting my real name.......I
> might as
> > > well quit wasting my time. Geeeessseee!
> > >
> > >
> > > Clay Forrester
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Eric Marble" <emarble3@p...>
> > > To: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@y...>;
> > > "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:21 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> > Destroyers"
> > >
> > >
> > > > I thought everyone knew Scramzilla.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
> > > > To: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@y...>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:10 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> > > Destroyers"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I mentioned this to another person earlier this week,
> Scott.....a lot
> > of
> > > > > talk from behind some screen name.
> > > > >
> > > > > Basically, I view it as spam crap. It hits the bit bucket
> with a
> > touch
> > > of
> > > > > the delete key just as fast as the unwanted mortgage refinance
> junk.
> > > > >
> > > > > If this irritates someone who feels compelled to use a screen
> name
> > > instead
> > > > > of their real one....well, that is your option and I am just
> > exercising
> > > > mine
> > > > > as I right this. ;) Life will go on.
> > > > >
> > > > > Timber Chucker!
> > > > >
> > > > > Stu Olson
> > > > > www.stu-offroad.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@e...]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:57 PM
> > > > > To: scramzilla; az_vjc@y...
> > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly
> Jeepers..Trail
> > > > > Destroyers"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree with you completely. One hint though...your post would
> be much
> > > > more
> > > > > credible if you poasted your real name on it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott K
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: scramzilla [mailto:allvol@c...]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 1:34 PM
> > > > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> > Destroyers"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Pulse found on dead horse!
> > > > >
> > > > > OK folks, I'm the guy who wrote the "Nearly Jeepers....Trail
> > > > > Destroyers" note. Although I did not link it to this group, (I
> did not
> > > > > know where it was) I'm glad somebody posted it. Now, I've read
> most of
> > > > > the messages and other than the Penis size fetish that this
> board has,
> > > > > and the over use of the phrase; "Dead horse," most of the
> discussion
> > > > > has been informative. Now with that being said, I'd like to
> address
> > > > > some of the other comments about the post and leave
> > > > > the......ahhhhhh........errrrrrrrr "other stuff" behind.
> > > > >
> > > > > My message was intended to drive home the fact that NOT every
> trail,
> > > > > is for everybody. BUT, if you absolutely must go on a trail
> that is
> > > > > MILES above your Jeeps capability and driving skill, leave the
> trail
> > > > > the way you found it!.....Its' that simple folks. Now I have
> read some
> > > > > posts that say the same thing and I applaud you. I like to
> drive on
> > > > > many types of trails......whatever mood I'm in dictates the
> trail that
> > > > > I will run....but here's the kicker; I can run then all! Yep!
> That's
> > > > > right. I built a rig that can go from 5+ to a 1. I had another
> Jeep
> > > > > that could not do the extreme trails so I built one that
> > > > > could.......because that's what I liked most.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is the issue at hand with me in regards to the lesser
> equipped
> > > > > and inexperienced wheelers. Why in the world would I spend
> tons of
> > > > > money on my rig to make it bullet proof and make it capable of
> doing
> > > > > the extreme trails only to have it wiped out by a different
> class of
> > > > > rigs that only desire to bring it down to "their" level of
> > > > > capability????? Why waste the time and money? I could just
> wait till
> > > > > (someone else) finds the new trail. Finds the entrances and
> exits and
> > > > > map it all out for me so I can get a few of my buds with
> hammers, crow
> > > > > bars and RR-cross ties and turn a 4/5 trail into a 2/3 trail
> so "I"
> > > > > could run it..........That's not right folks!
> > > > >
> > > > > Now as far as my "Keep your mouth shut" phrase with regards to
> "not
> > > > > tell everyone" where the new trails are.......U-betcha! It's
> not gonna
> > > > > happen. Like some of you have said. "I can go on any trail I
> > > > > want."....Yep! That's right. I can't stop you but you'll have
> to find
> > > > > them first. When is the last time you heard of a new trail????
> There
> > > > > are TONS of new trails out there but the word is no longer
> getting
> > > > > out.....mostly due to the fact that lesser equipped rigs are
> > > > > DESTROYING THEM! (bypasses ect) If you ever had to help drag a
> burnt
> > > > > out bone stock Jeep off an extreme trail that some yahoo left
> > > > > there.....maybe you would respect the rating system a little
> more.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, one more thing. There is NO better friend to have than
> someone
> > > > > with an "Extreme rig" on trail that you just happen to be on.
> We have
> > > > > air tanks. On board welders. almost every imaginable tool at
> parts to
> > > > > fix almost every imaginable break. I even carry parts that fit
> other
> > > > > peoples rigs just in case I could be of some help to someone.
> It's a
> > > > > great feeling to help a total stranger get out of a hopeless
> situation
> > > > > with no expectation of reward.....I'm happy to help.
> BUT......After
> > > > > what just happened to the "Highway to Hell" trail, my heart is
> just
> > > > > not into like it once was.....
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll get off my soap box not but just remember, there are a
> LOT of
> > > > > Jeepers in AZ. that spend TONS of money, go to land issue
> meeting to
> > > > > keep the trails open and love to wheel and camp with our dogs
> and
> > > > > family just like you do.......But we also like to go on trails
> that
> > > > > make us feel justified in the time and expense that we
> incurred
> > > > > building what we are proud to call our own creation.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Scramzilla
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
44244 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 7:49pm
Subject: RE: Foot in mouth disease
Does this mean that Vern has inherited "the Crown" from David Withers as
most controversial member?
Hehehehehe
Scott K - owner of "The Crown" for the first few years of the AZVJC.
-----Original Message-----
From: vpheiple [mailto:vpheiple@m...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:23 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Foot in mouth disease
At the risk of putting it there again I have to say all of your
resonses have been great, I have had trouble finding getalife.com and
the site about the door hitting me in the ***, I would have to say I
could not have been more wrong, I have to admit that part of my
comments had to do with the Nearly Jeepers comment, although I agree
completely with what was said about staying off of trails that you
don't belong on and not ruining the exsisting trails, the way it was
stated made me feel like if I didn't have the experience or right
equipment I didn't belong in this club. That is why I asked about
different clubs with the attitude. From all of the responses I have
gotten and can see that I was completely and totally wrong and spoke
out of turn. Your club rocks and the people seem to be honest and
sincere. I am sorry that I can't take back the statement about small
units, but if the shoe fits. Any of you hardcore people feel like
taking me to the top of a mountain somewhere and leaving me let me
know, my Fiance says I could use the exercise.
Vern Heiple
p.s. My fiance and her friends really do say that about the tires and
lifts. Yes I have a lift and bigger tires, and I am big enough to
admit that I fit the stereotype.
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44245 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 9:54pm
Subject: My front end noises - what we found
Absolutely nothing!
We can't duplicate the sounds at all. DougB came over tonight. We had
the front diff cover off and we look and looked and looked and could not
find anything that looked out of the ordinary or was making noise. So,
we buttoned it all back up and took it for a drive in the dirt. We tried
forward and reverse in 2 high, 4 high, 4 low, and 2 low and could not
get it to make any noises. Everything sounded normal.
We figure that maybe something was caught somewhere in the driveline
hitting something else. I had looked and didn't see anything like that
on the trail, but maybe it was small enough to miss or hidden by
something else. It seemed to go away when I shifted in to 2wd on the
smooth road at the top on the way in to CK. Maybe the extra speed threw
the item out.
I'm going to run it through Box Canyon sometime soon to test it for a
longer period of time and to put the drivetrain under a little stress,
but nothing hard. We'll see what happens.
Chris K
44246 From: Clay Forrester <allvol@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 9:56pm
Subject: Re: Re: Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail Destroyers"
One more time....... If you will re-read my post you will see that I stated
this "Club" does NOT have to become and "official" club. I was merely
stating that the official clubs.....paying clubs dues, have a HUGE part in
keeping trails open for you and everyone else and to consider it as an
option.
Now with that being said. If you attend land closure meetings; Send money
to the originations that keep land usage open; Tread lightly and respect
public property, then you are not the intended audience. As far a "these
people coming to the table without knowledge of the group and not knowing
what VJC does to preserve public lands".........Well this person at the
table has heard plenty. If you are of the opinion that all 1400+ club
members in the VJC are land protecting, Eco-Nazis fighting, Tread lightly
Jeepers........MAN do you have some catching up to do. Just read some of the
treads that have been posted.
Look Stu, I'm not tying to start a pissing contest but I can assure you that
every other affiliated club in Arizona DOES do all the things I have stated
and more.......This is an undisputed fact.
Here, let me quiz you for just a second. Did you know that if someone camps
on public land has to have a permit? (new law) Did you know that ALL clubs
HAVE to post their club runs on their club page in advance? If you dought
any of this, just call you local "BLM" office and ask them for yourself.
Now I'm not talking about "organized permits." I'm talking about club people
camping out at AJ and wheelin over this weekend. I bet you 75% of the people
in this club did not know that.......And if you are a member of another AZ.
4X4 club, that does not count on your behalf........Look it up. Remember,
you ARE a club.....ie, group.
So the next time you or anyone else has a wildcat camping weekend at
AJ.....and do not pay.........Hmmmmmmm.
Clay Forrester
----- Original Message -----
From: "wishmaaker" <wishmaaker@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:23 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail Destroyers"
> You know lately it seems that a lot of folks are getting the kicks
> addressing the AzVjc in a
> negative way. I don't think a lot of these people come to the table
> with enough knowledge about
> the group to even suggest that we do nothing to preserve our Az public
> lands. I have only been a
> member since Nov., when I purchased my TJ, and yet I feel that I have
> learned so much not only
> about my jeeps and what it can do with it, but what I can do to
> protect and preserve public and
> blm lands . You don't have to be a paid (voted in) member to any
> such club to make a
> difference. A lot of clubs use the AzVjc 1400+ members to voice and
> action many events that
> make a difference to protect our rights to use public land. I have
> lived in Arizona on and off for
> the last 15 years and have seen many closures. Its going to be tough
> to keeps the last bit of
> unclosed trails open, weather your a voted member or not, its going to
> take everyone to protect
> our resources. I am proud to be a part of this group of un-organized
> organization.
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...> wrote:
> > I agree.....I agree. But I hope that you understood my point also. I
> was not
> > thinking about it and I did provide my email address. Also, I think
> that I'm
> > the only black Scrambler in town with "Scramzilla" painted on the
> hood. :-)
> > I'm easy to see.
> >
> > Clay Forrester
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
> > To: "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...>; "Scott Kruize"
> > <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@y...>; "Eric Marble"
> > <emarble3@p...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:28 PM
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> Destroyers"
> >
> >
> > > Clay,
> > >
> > > On line forums are a dime a dozen....and nameless keyboard cowboys
> that
> > post
> > > on them are even more common. I normally pay them as much
> attention as
> > the
> > > moron neighbor that lives down the street.
> > >
> > > If you have something worth saying, you have nothing to loose,
> IMO, if you
> > > back up your message with a name.
> > >
> > > If you can't get by that, then maybe you are wasting my time.
> Yes, the
> > gate
> > > does swing both ways.
> > >
> > > Stu
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Stu Olson
> > > www.stu-offroad.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Clay Forrester [mailto:allvol@c...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:15 PM
> > > To: Scott Kruize; az_vjc@y...; Stu Olson; Eric Marble
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> > > Destroyers"
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah....If they can't get by me not putting my real name.......I
> might as
> > > well quit wasting my time. Geeeessseee!
> > >
> > >
> > > Clay Forrester
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Eric Marble" <emarble3@p...>
> > > To: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@y...>;
> > > "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:21 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> > Destroyers"
> > >
> > >
> > > > I thought everyone knew Scramzilla.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
> > > > To: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@y...>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:10 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> > > Destroyers"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I mentioned this to another person earlier this week,
> Scott.....a lot
> > of
> > > > > talk from behind some screen name.
> > > > >
> > > > > Basically, I view it as spam crap. It hits the bit bucket
> with a
> > touch
> > > of
> > > > > the delete key just as fast as the unwanted mortgage refinance
> junk.
> > > > >
> > > > > If this irritates someone who feels compelled to use a screen
> name
> > > instead
> > > > > of their real one....well, that is your option and I am just
> > exercising
> > > > mine
> > > > > as I right this. ;) Life will go on.
> > > > >
> > > > > Timber Chucker!
> > > > >
> > > > > Stu Olson
> > > > > www.stu-offroad.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@e...]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:57 PM
> > > > > To: scramzilla; az_vjc@y...
> > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly
> Jeepers..Trail
> > > > > Destroyers"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree with you completely. One hint though...your post would
> be much
> > > > more
> > > > > credible if you poasted your real name on it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott K
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: scramzilla [mailto:allvol@c...]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 1:34 PM
> > > > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> > Destroyers"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Pulse found on dead horse!
> > > > >
> > > > > OK folks, I'm the guy who wrote the "Nearly Jeepers....Trail
> > > > > Destroyers" note. Although I did not link it to this group, (I
> did not
> > > > > know where it was) I'm glad somebody posted it. Now, I've read
> most of
> > > > > the messages and other than the Penis size fetish that this
> board has,
> > > > > and the over use of the phrase; "Dead horse," most of the
> discussion
> > > > > has been informative. Now with that being said, I'd like to
> address
> > > > > some of the other comments about the post and leave
> > > > > the......ahhhhhh........errrrrrrrr "other stuff" behind.
> > > > >
> > > > > My message was intended to drive home the fact that NOT every
> trail,
> > > > > is for everybody. BUT, if you absolutely must go on a trail
> that is
> > > > > MILES above your Jeeps capability and driving skill, leave the
> trail
> > > > > the way you found it!.....Its' that simple folks. Now I have
> read some
> > > > > posts that say the same thing and I applaud you. I like to
> drive on
> > > > > many types of trails......whatever mood I'm in dictates the
> trail that
> > > > > I will run....but here's the kicker; I can run then all! Yep!
> That's
> > > > > right. I built a rig that can go from 5+ to a 1. I had another
> Jeep
> > > > > that could not do the extreme trails so I built one that
> > > > > could.......because that's what I liked most.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is the issue at hand with me in regards to the lesser
> equipped
> > > > > and inexperienced wheelers. Why in the world would I spend
> tons of
> > > > > money on my rig to make it bullet proof and make it capable of
> doing
> > > > > the extreme trails only to have it wiped out by a different
> class of
> > > > > rigs that only desire to bring it down to "their" level of
> > > > > capability????? Why waste the time and money? I could just
> wait till
> > > > > (someone else) finds the new trail. Finds the entrances and
> exits and
> > > > > map it all out for me so I can get a few of my buds with
> hammers, crow
> > > > > bars and RR-cross ties and turn a 4/5 trail into a 2/3 trail
> so "I"
> > > > > could run it..........That's not right folks!
> > > > >
> > > > > Now as far as my "Keep your mouth shut" phrase with regards to
> "not
> > > > > tell everyone" where the new trails are.......U-betcha! It's
> not gonna
> > > > > happen. Like some of you have said. "I can go on any trail I
> > > > > want."....Yep! That's right. I can't stop you but you'll have
> to find
> > > > > them first. When is the last time you heard of a new trail????
> There
> > > > > are TONS of new trails out there but the word is no longer
> getting
> > > > > out.....mostly due to the fact that lesser equipped rigs are
> > > > > DESTROYING THEM! (bypasses ect) If you ever had to help drag a
> burnt
> > > > > out bone stock Jeep off an extreme trail that some yahoo left
> > > > > there.....maybe you would respect the rating system a little
> more.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, one more thing. There is NO better friend to have than
> someone
> > > > > with an "Extreme rig" on trail that you just happen to be on.
> We have
> > > > > air tanks. On board welders. almost every imaginable tool at
> parts to
> > > > > fix almost every imaginable break. I even carry parts that fit
> other
> > > > > peoples rigs just in case I could be of some help to someone.
> It's a
> > > > > great feeling to help a total stranger get out of a hopeless
> situation
> > > > > with no expectation of reward.....I'm happy to help.
> BUT......After
> > > > > what just happened to the "Highway to Hell" trail, my heart is
> just
> > > > > not into like it once was.....
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll get off my soap box not but just remember, there are a
> LOT of
> > > > > Jeepers in AZ. that spend TONS of money, go to land issue
> meeting to
> > > > > keep the trails open and love to wheel and camp with our dogs
> and
> > > > > family just like you do.......But we also like to go on trails
> that
> > > > > make us feel justified in the time and expense that we
> incurred
> > > > > building what we are proud to call our own creation.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Scramzilla
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
44247 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 9:58pm
Subject: Re: Re: Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail Destroyers"
Is there a place to join online? I'm guilty of not being a member of the
ASA.
Chris K
On Wednesday, February 27, 2002, at 10:58 PM, Bill Mish wrote:
> And you should be proud.
> Is pride enough?
> Don't know about you, but I spend allot of money on my Jeep every year,
> what's 20-30 bucks a year? Even if I do decide to go above and beyond
> that
> to protect my Jeepin' rights by attending meetings as an individual, I
> wouldn't consider the Dues as my release from liability to attend
> meetings
> concerning my land use. Vote me in, Yada,Yada, but don't mind me if I
> become
> PROACTIVE!!!
>
> Bill Mish
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wishmaaker" <wishmaaker@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:23 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
> Destroyers"
>
>
>> You know lately it seems that a lot of folks are getting the kicks
>> addressing the AzVjc in a
>> negative way. I don't think a lot of these people come to the table
>> with enough knowledge about
>> the group to even suggest that we do nothing to preserve our Az public
>> lands. I have only been a
>> member since Nov., when I purchased my TJ, and yet I feel that I have
>> learned so much not only
>> about my jeeps and what it can do with it, but what I can do to
>> protect and preserve public and
>> blm lands . You don't have to be a paid (voted in) member to any
>> such club to make a
>> difference. A lot of clubs use the AzVjc 1400+ members to voice and
>> action many events that
>> make a difference to protect our rights to use public land. I have
>> lived in Arizona on and off for
>> the last 15 years and have seen many closures. Its going to be tough
>> to keeps the last bit of
>> unclosed trails open, weather your a voted member or not, its going to
>> take everyone to protect
>> our resources. I am proud to be a part of this group of un-organized
>> organization.
>>
>> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...> wrote:
>>> I agree.....I agree. But I hope that you understood my point also. I
>> was not
>>> thinking about it and I did provide my email address. Also, I think
>> that I'm
>>> the only black Scrambler in town with "Scramzilla" painted on the
>> hood. :-)
>>> I'm easy to see.
>>>
>>> Clay Forrester
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
>>> To: "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...>; "Scott Kruize"
>>> <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@y...>; "Eric Marble"
>>> <emarble3@p...>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:28 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
>> Destroyers"
>>>
>>>
>>>> Clay,
>>>>
>>>> On line forums are a dime a dozen....and nameless keyboard cowboys
>> that
>>> post
>>>> on them are even more common. I normally pay them as much
>> attention as
>>> the
>>>> moron neighbor that lives down the street.
>>>>
>>>> If you have something worth saying, you have nothing to loose,
>> IMO, if you
>>>> back up your message with a name.
>>>>
>>>> If you can't get by that, then maybe you are wasting my time.
>> Yes, the
>>> gate
>>>> does swing both ways.
>>>>
>>>> Stu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stu Olson
>>>> www.stu-offroad.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Clay Forrester [mailto:allvol@c...]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:15 PM
>>>> To: Scott Kruize; az_vjc@y...; Stu Olson; Eric Marble
>>>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
>>>> Destroyers"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah....If they can't get by me not putting my real name.......I
>> might as
>>>> well quit wasting my time. Geeeessseee!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Clay Forrester
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Eric Marble" <emarble3@p...>
>>>> To: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@y...>;
>>>> "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:21 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
>>> Destroyers"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I thought everyone knew Scramzilla.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
>>>>> To: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>; <az_vjc@y...>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:10 PM
>>>>> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
>>>> Destroyers"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I mentioned this to another person earlier this week,
>> Scott.....a lot
>>> of
>>>>>> talk from behind some screen name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Basically, I view it as spam crap. It hits the bit bucket
>> with a
>>> touch
>>>> of
>>>>>> the delete key just as fast as the unwanted mortgage refinance
>> junk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If this irritates someone who feels compelled to use a screen
>> name
>>>> instead
>>>>>> of their real one....well, that is your option and I am just
>>> exercising
>>>>> mine
>>>>>> as I right this. ;) Life will go on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Timber Chucker!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stu Olson
>>>>>> www.stu-offroad.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@e...]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:57 PM
>>>>>> To: scramzilla; az_vjc@y...
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly
>> Jeepers..Trail
>>>>>> Destroyers"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with you completely. One hint though...your post would
>> be much
>>>>> more
>>>>>> credible if you poasted your real name on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott K
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: scramzilla [mailto:allvol@c...]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 1:34 PM
>>>>>> To: az_vjc@y...
>>>>>> Subject: [az_vjc] Note from author of "Nearly Jeepers..Trail
>>> Destroyers"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pulse found on dead horse!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK folks, I'm the guy who wrote the "Nearly Jeepers....Trail
>>>>>> Destroyers" note. Although I did not link it to this group, (I
>> did not
>>>>>> know where it was) I'm glad somebody posted it. Now, I've read
>> most of
>>>>>> the messages and other than the Penis size fetish that this
>> board has,
>>>>>> and the over use of the phrase; "Dead horse," most of the
>> discussion
>>>>>> has been informative. Now with that being said, I'd like to
>> address
>>>>>> some of the other comments about the post and leave
>>>>>> the......ahhhhhh........errrrrrrrr "other stuff" behind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My message was intended to drive home the fact that NOT every
>> trail,
>>>>>> is for everybody. BUT, if you absolutely must go on a trail
>> that is
>>>>>> MILES above your Jeeps capability and driving skill, leave the
>> trail
>>>>>> the way you found it!.....Its' that simple folks. Now I have
>> read some
>>>>>> posts that say the same thing and I applaud you. I like to
>> drive on
>>>>>> many types of trails......whatever mood I'm in dictates the
>> trail that
>>>>>> I will run....but here's the kicker; I can run then all! Yep!
>> That's
>>>>>> right. I built a rig that can go from 5+ to a 1. I had another
>> Jeep
>>>>>> that could not do the extreme trails so I built one that
>>>>>> could.......because that's what I liked most.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is the issue at hand with me in regards to the lesser
>> equipped
>>>>>> and inexperienced wheelers. Why in the world would I spend
>> tons of
>>>>>> money on my rig to make it bullet proof and make it capable of
>> doing
>>>>>> the extreme trails only to have it wiped out by a different
>> class of
>>>>>> rigs that only desire to bring it down to "their" level of
>>>>>> capability????? Why waste the time and money? I could just
>> wait till
>>>>>> (someone else) finds the new trail. Finds the entrances and
>> exits and
>>>>>> map it all out for me so I can get a few of my buds with
>> hammers, crow
>>>>>> bars and RR-cross ties and turn a 4/5 trail into a 2/3 trail
>> so "I"
>>>>>> could run it..........That's not right folks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now as far as my "Keep your mouth shut" phrase with regards to
>> "not
>>>>>> tell everyone" where the new trails are.......U-betcha! It's
>> not gonna
>>>>>> happen. Like some of you have said. "I can go on any trail I
>>>>>> want."....Yep! That's right. I can't stop you but you'll have
>> to find
>>>>>> them first. When is the last time you heard of a new trail????
>> There
>>>>>> are TONS of new trails out there but the word is no longer
>> getting
>>>>>> out.....mostly due to the fact that lesser equipped rigs are
>>>>>> DESTROYING THEM! (bypasses ect) If you ever had to help drag a
>> burnt
>>>>>> out bone stock Jeep off an extreme trail that some yahoo left
>>>>>> there.....maybe you would respect the rating system a little
>> more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, one more thing. There is NO better friend to have than
>> someone
>>>>>> with an "Extreme rig" on trail that you just happen to be on.
>> We have
>>>>>> air tanks. On board welders. almost every imaginable tool at
>> parts to
>>>>>> fix almost every imaginable break. I even carry parts that fit
>> other
>>>>>> peoples rigs just in case I could be of some help to someone.
>> It's a
>>>>>> great feeling to help a total stranger get out of a hopeless
>> situation
>>>>>> with no expectation of reward.....I'm happy to help.
>> BUT......After
>>>>>> what just happened to the "Highway to Hell" trail, my heart is
>> just
>>>>>> not into like it once was.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll get off my soap box not but just remember, there are a
>> LOT of
>>>>>> Jeepers in AZ. that spend TONS of money, go to land issue
>> meeting to
>>>>>> keep the trails open and love to wheel and camp with our dogs
>> and
>>>>>> family just like you do.......But we also like to go on trails
>> that
>>>>>> make us feel justified in the time and expense that we
>> incurred
>>>>>> building what we are proud to call our own creation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scramzilla
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>>>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>>>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>>>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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44248 From: Clay Forrester <allvol@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 9:58pm
Subject: Re: Topic change: Simma down NA!
Yep....I agree.
Clay Forrester
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "stinger75ih" <stinger75ih@c...>; "DougB"
<azjeep@c...>; "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:48 PM
Subject: Topic change: Simma down NA!
> ok, ok, OKAY!!!!!
> I know allot of the people in AZVJC (list), and I know Clay, Eric, Barry
> Sandee and 99.9% of the rest of their membership.
> Primary difference: NONE!!!
> Ohh all right, maybe some difference in vehicle preparation, but
> politically, and at heart, you guys are the same and bickering over the
> finer points. Knock it off!
>
> I may be speaking out of turn here, but I believe the message is:
> "Regardless of where you or your Jeep may be in your off road Evolution,
> there may be an organized true club into which you can fit in and is
> comfortable to you.
> This will actually help you along in growing and supporting your sport
more
> than hurt you."
>
> This doesn't mean you can't be HERE, in the AZVJC, too.
>
> Allot of us who are a little more active in this group (and behind the
> scenes) have tried several clubs and found them lacking. Does that mean we
> quit trying? Does that mean it's OK for us to impose our findings on
> another new member of the AZVJC as gospel? No, it doesn't and as far as I
> know, it hasn't been done, but then again, we all know how this email
thing
> can mislead emotion and meaning to a great degree. Especially when we want
> our voice to be heard.
>
> I would encourage everyone here who has read this far to investigate, ask
> questions about and even attend a meeting or two of an organized club. It
> doesn't mean you can't be here in the AZVJC, another group, or list too.
> If you do not find a club for you, give your money to the Arizona State
> Association Of 4 Wheel Drive Clubs as an individual member. It's the
least
> you can do.....
> If you happen to go to the Rockcrawling Exhibition this weekend, talk to
> people about their club affiliation.
> There's bound to be a club, group or organization for everyone, and if
not,
> there's always the ASA4WDC and whatever method you choose to get on the
> trail responsibly.
> I plan on doing exactly that, as my membership has recently expired.
(Bad
> Jeeper, no rockcrawling!)
> Bill Mish
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Clay Forrester" <allvol@c...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "stinger75ih" <stinger75ih@c...>; "DougB"
> <azjeep@c...>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks (more)........
>
>
> > That's basically what I said but maybe that part was not clear....and if
> so,
> > I apologize. Please keep up the good work.
> >
> > Clay Forrester
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "DougB" <azjeep@c...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "stinger75ih" <stinger75ih@c...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks (more)........
> >
> >
> > > I don't belong to any other club. I feel AzVJC has had and will
continue
> > to
> > > have a very positive impact.
> > >
> > > I'm a dues paying member of ASA and United. I've written many letters,
> > > attended many meetings, participated in many trail clean ups. Many
> other's
> > > in this group do exactly the same. I think the activism of AzVJC and
the
> > > lightning fast mechanism to spread the word about issues can be just
as
> > > affective, if not more so, then people who pay dues to a club and
attend
> > > monthly meetings.
> > >
> > > I think it will take all of us, both in organizations like AzVJC and
> > > structured clubs. No on has a corner on these issues.
> > >
> > > Happy Trails...
> > >
> > > Doug
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "stinger75ih" <stinger75ih@c...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:39 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Thanks (more)........
> > >
> > >
> > > > I would agree that you don't HAVE to belong to an organized club to
> > > > do your part. But then comes the second part of the question:
> > > >
> > > > What are you doing to support the sport and give back some of what
> > > > you take?
> > > >
> > > > I would hope you do something other than take, take, take...
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Baja Fleg" <fleigle@h...> wrote:
> > > > > And that is your opinion. I don't feel like I HAVE to join a club
> > > > just to
> > > > > know how to wheel off-road nor do I want to be part of a club that
> > > > has
> > > > > bylaws and all that other B.S. The suggestion that I have to be
> > > > part of a
> > > > > club to make an impact is also just your opinion and in my opinion
> > > > wrong.
> > > > > Notice I said opinion folks! Of course opinions are like.....ah,
> > > > you know
> > > > > how the saying goes. Now I probably could really start a flame
war
> > > > here and
> > > > > keep going with the rest of this post but that really isn't what I
> > > > am trying
> > > > > to do, honest. And yes I do know who the "Blue Ribbon Coalition"
> > > > and
> > > > > "United" are thank you. Now to answer your question, surprise
> > > > surprise but
> > > > > I do not belong to an "official" club nor do I want to be part of
> > > > one.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > > Flame Suit activated!!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Message: 24
> > > > > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 02:32:54 -0000
> > > > > From: "scramzilla" <allvol@c...>
> > > > > Subject: Thanks (more)........
> > > > >
> > > > > I want to thank all the people that have email me directly and
> > > > > on the
> > > > > message board. For the most part, they have been very
> > > > > supportive. Now
> > > > > I would like to take the opportunity to address the big picture
> > > > > on
> > > > > trails and land use in general.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Arizona Virtual Jeep club is a large group with many
> > > > > members BUT
> > > > > has no club rights nor bylaws. Now I personally know some of the
> > > > > members and know that they are concurrent members of other clubs
> > > > > so
> > > > > to them, this message does no apply. Now to my question. How
> > > > > many
> > > > > members to the VJC do NOT belong to another affiliated club?
> > > > >
> > > > > Now I'm not suggesting that EVERY Yahoo message/club belong to
> > > > > some
> > > > > sore of recognized club but what we do... (4-wheelin')... very
> > > > > much
> > > > > needs active members that know ALL the rules to keep the
> > > > > ECO-Nazis
> > > > > off our collective backs. Not only will you learn the do's and
> > > > > don'ts
> > > > > of 4-wheelin, but you will also know when to show up for land
> > > > > issue
> > > > > meetings and make your voice heard when it comes to keeping the
> > > > > trails open for you and your children......who may or may not
> > > > > learn
> > > > > to enjoy the sport after you are to old and to heft your butt
> > > > > into
> > > > > the Jeep. :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > There is another BIG reason to join a club.....money! That's
> > > > > right,
> > > > > money. It's what makes the 4-wheelin' world go round. How you
> > > > > ask?
> > > > > Well I'll tell you. There are larger clubs out there that on a
> > > > > DAILY
> > > > > basis are fighting for your right to use public land....Did all
> > > > > of
> > > > > you know that???? I bet you some do not.....and that is very sad
> > > > > indeed. Clubs like the "Blue Ribbon Coalition" and "United" are
> > > > > fighting in courts and calling Public Officials to bend their
> > > > > ear to
> > > > > make OUR voices heard......and it's going on everyday folks,
> > > > > everyday!
> > > > >
> > > > > Now you might know where I'm headed with this by now but just in
> > > > > case, I'll clear it up. The money that "these" clubs get comes
> > > > > from
> > > > > you and me......no where else. Club membership plays a big part
> > > > > in
> > > > > raising money for theses Originations. Part of the money that
> > > > > people
> > > > > pay in "club dues" goes towards land issue battles that end up
> > > > > in
> > > > > court.......and we ALL know that Lawyers don't come cheap. They
> > > > > also
> > > > > use money donated by responsible 4-wheelers like you and I that
> > > > > know
> > > > > it's the only way our voice will be heard.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now you can either blow me off.....or you can listen to what I'm
> > > > > saying and have a HUGE impact on the issues surrounding that
> > > > > area in
> > > > > which we live by joining a local club....learning the do's and
> > > > > don't
> > > > > of 4-wheelin' and send a few $$$$ to help the people that keep
> > > > > Arizona public land open to all. You do NOT have to form
> > > > > an "official" club from the group of people....all I'm saying is
> > > > > visit a local Jeep chapter and get the Jeepin' scooby. There are
> > > > > many "unwritten" rules when it comes to trail riding that
> > > > > involve
> > > > > common courtesy just like in any sport......it's good to know
> > > > > them
> > > > > all.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Scramzilla
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44249 From: Nick <nnote@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 8:13pm
Subject: Re: Lack of power
Bang on your Catalitic converter and see if it rattles. A clogged cat can sneakily do just what you subscribed.
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris benner
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:00 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Lack of power
Okay I'm not a jeep mechanic, but I try to do whatever is needed all on my own. lately I've been feeling like my jeep is lacking power in the upper gears. Like, I don't even shift into 5th anymore on the freeway. Nothing major was changed recently, just feels a little doggy. What should I check? I had the oil changed and recharged my K&N. What are the symptons of bad spark plugs? I'm at 61K miles and I'm sure the dealer never changed the plugs.
- Chris
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44250 From: David Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 10:13pm
Subject: RE: Lift...
the super 35 kit now comes with your choice of a detroit locker or an ox
locker
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Siade, Randy" <randy.siade@u...>
To: "'Robert McNeeley'" <robert.mcneeley@p...>,
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Lift...
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:37:26 -0600
The Super 35 kit is maid my Superior and is comes with a Detroit locker and
bigger chrommoly axels. The D35 is famous for breaking axels, carriers and
bending axel housings.
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert McNeeley [mailto:robert.mcneeley@p...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:23 PM
To: Siade, Randy; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Lift...
Break the bank? What bank? Im still working on me degree ($$$)... I think Im
going to go with the sawzaw method and start hacking till I can fit big
rubber under it. :) Wow the 33's are looking good now. ;>Thank you all for
the info. Fred you asked if I was auto or 5spd... 5spd with a D35 and a
locker running 3.73 as of now. What is a super 35 kit? Like I said I know
nothing :) But I am willing to ask and learn.
Thanks again
Fat Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Siade, Randy [mailto:randy.siade@u...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:41 AM
To: 'Robert McNeeley'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Lift...
I am not a TJ expert(i am a CJ type guy) so I am sure if I get this wrong
some one will let us know.
To clear 35" tires plan on a 5 1/2" lift kit. as for the gears I would go
with 4.56:1 and while you are at it might as well do the super 35 kit in the
rear if you are running the D35. If you are running the D44 than but a
Detroit locker back there and an ARB in the front.
Opps did I just break your bank?
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert McNeeley [mailto:robert.mcneeley@p...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:09 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Lift...
I don't know much (nothing at all) about this. I have a 00TJ and was told
that I should ask all of you what is the best way to go when doing a lift. I
want to end up with 35" rubber under the jeep. I was thinking of only going
33's but if I am spending that much money why not go all the way. What gears
do I need to run? Other modifications? Thanks for any advice or experiences.
Fat Bob
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44251 From: paparoach85251 <lespaparoach@m...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 8:42pm
Subject: great service at OR-Fab
Just thought I would pass along a positive comment about one of our
local vendors. When I tried to put my top up yesterday so I could
wash the Crown King trail dust off my Jeep (you guys know how anal I
am about cleaning my Jeep), I noticed that it would no longer go on
over my new sport cage. I called Mark at OR Fab and he asked me to
bring it by so they could take a look. When I got to the shop today
we discovered that the factory had left my stock roll bar wider than
usual (yes they are adjustable). Mark and Wayne took time out of
their day to pull out my cage, make a minor adjustment to bring it in
some and reinstalled everything. Mark even looked over my tire
carrier that I bought from them and gave me a couple pieces that
seemed to have been left out when I bought it 6 months ago. When I
got home my top went on without any problems and my Jeep is now shiny
and clean. Chalk me up as another very satisfied customer of OR-Fab's.
Thanks Mark and Wayne!
Les
44252 From: David Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 10:32pm
Subject: Re: My front end noises - what we found
a rock in the disc brake sheild?
----Original Message Follows----
From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
To: Azvjc (E-mail) <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [az_vjc] My front end noises - what we found
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:54:24 -0700
Absolutely nothing!
We can't duplicate the sounds at all. DougB came over tonight. We had
the front diff cover off and we look and looked and looked and could not
find anything that looked out of the ordinary or was making noise. So,
we buttoned it all back up and took it for a drive in the dirt. We tried
forward and reverse in 2 high, 4 high, 4 low, and 2 low and could not
get it to make any noises. Everything sounded normal.
We figure that maybe something was caught somewhere in the driveline
hitting something else. I had looked and didn't see anything like that
on the trail, but maybe it was small enough to miss or hidden by
something else. It seemed to go away when I shifted in to 2wd on the
smooth road at the top on the way in to CK. Maybe the extra speed threw
the item out.
I'm going to run it through Box Canyon sometime soon to test it for a
longer period of time and to put the drivetrain under a little stress,
but nothing hard. We'll see what happens.
Chris K
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44253 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2002 10:42pm
Subject: Re: Foot in mouth disease
Nope, as far as your concerned, all this means is you no longer have the
crown!
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>
To: "vpheiple" <vpheiple@m...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:49 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Foot in mouth disease
> Does this mean that Vern has inherited "the Crown" from David Withers as
> most controversial member?
>
> Hehehehehe
>
> Scott K - owner of "The Crown" for the first few years of the AZVJC.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: vpheiple [mailto:vpheiple@m...]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:23 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Foot in mouth disease
>
>
> At the risk of putting it there again I have to say all of your
> resonses have been great, I have had trouble finding getalife.com and
> the site about the door hitting me in the ***, I would have to say I
> could not have been more wrong, I have to admit that part of my
> comments had to do with the Nearly Jeepers comment, although I agree
> completely with what was said about staying off of trails that you
> don't belong on and not ruining the exsisting trails, the way it was
> stated made me feel like if I didn't have the experience or right
> equipment I didn't belong in this club. That is why I asked about
> different clubs with the attitude. From all of the responses I have
> gotten and can see that I was completely and totally wrong and spoke
> out of turn. Your club rocks and the people seem to be honest and
> sincere. I am sorry that I can't take back the statement about small
> units, but if the shoe fits. Any of you hardcore people feel like
> taking me to the top of a mountain somewhere and leaving me let me
> know, my Fiance says I could use the exercise.
>
> Vern Heiple
>
> p.s. My fiance and her friends really do say that about the tires and
> lifts. Yes I have a lift and bigger tires, and I am big enough to
> admit that I fit the stereotype.
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