House Bill 2443 - Copper Sticker ?

[RokNRich]

This came in my email,

On Wednesday, Feb. 7, the Arizona House of Representatives Natural Resources and Public Safety Committee approved House Bill 2443, an OHV recreation bill introduced by Dist. 12 Rep. Jerry Weiers, R-Glendale. The Off-highway Vehicle Legislative Workgroup, comprised of OHV recreationists and outdoor user groups, land management agencies, county and local governments, sportsmen, and Arizona Game and Fish Department, worked together with Rep. Weiers to develop House Bill 2443 to improve OHV recreation and management in Arizona . This bill will now continue to move through the legislature.



The reason for the proposed legislation is the expanding popularity of OHV activities in the state. Off-highway vehicle recreational use has increased by roughly 350 percent, or nearly 39 percent per year since 1998. During this time, funding for off-highway vehicle recreation has grown by an average of approximately 4 percent, not keeping pace with the dramatic increase in OHV recreation in Arizona .

House Bill 2443 provisions include:



An annual flat fee that replaces the Vehicle License Tax for the registration of all-terrain vehicles. This would:
Reduce costs to consumers.
Allow for “street legal” registration at no extra cost.
Include all-terrain vehicles (ATV), all-terrain cycles (ATC) and utility vehicles (UTVs).


Additional funding to bolster resources for OHV management in key areas, including off-highway vehicle facilities, access, law enforcement, education and safety.


New laws that will better protect Arizona ’s natural resources from inappropriate use of OHVs.


Improved safety standards, including a requirement for individuals younger than 18 to wear appropriate headgear.


A dedicated funding source for OHV enthusiasts to protect opportunities to ride in Arizona for generations to come.


To read the full text of House Bill 2443, visit the Arizona State Legislature Web site at azleg.gov. Also, visit the Arizona Game and Fish Department’s Web site, azgfd.gov, for more information on the bill.

Sounds alot like the copper sticker, I thought that was dead in the water........

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http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=%2Flegtext%2F48leg%2F1r%2 Fproposed%2Fh%2E2443jw%2Edoc%2Ehtm

[azrubyman]

This came in my email,



Sounds alot like the copper sticker, I thought that was dead in the water........

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http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=%2Flegtext%2F48leg%2F1r%2 Fproposed%2Fh%2E2443jw%2Edoc%2Ehtm

Interesting
So If I read this thing correctly...4x4 pick ups will get hit with this tax (ahem, cough cough) I mean permit fee as well?

[RufftyTuffty]

OMG!!!....the two faced backstabbing fawkers :mad:

[Sean K.]

The CopperState Sticker Program has been brought to the floor for six (I believe) straight years and is always killed at the last minute b/c it is not what we need/want.

Personally, I can't ever see it being beneficial to us even if passed in the form some of our proponents have suggested....but the devil's in the details.

Sean

[Sandee McCullen]

The CopperState Sticker Program has been brought to the floor for six (I believe) straight years and is always killed at the last minute b/c it is not what we need/want.

Personally, I can't ever see it being beneficial to us even if passed in the form some of our proponents have suggested....but the devil's in the details.

Sean

Copper Sticker went to legislation session in 2006 for the first time. OHV killed this bill (actually two separate bills) due to only helping G&F. OHV received almost nothing and there was NO PENALTY for any laws that were approved.

G&F have been working on some sort of "bill" for 5 years but called OHV to the table a bit over two years ago. The task team worked from late 2005 to develop a bill for legislative session 2006. When these 2006 bills failed the team joined back at the table in Sept. 2006 for submission of another bill for the 2007 session. In Sept. G&F asked the OHV folks from the task team to develop a proposal to present to the task team. This was done and the task team agreed to it................. G&F did not so they again went behind backs and joined forces with Representative Jerry Weiers to present another bill....... the original proposal was worse than last years. It has changed some prior to going to the Resource Comm. today but it is not anywhere close to being positive for OHV as a whole. 4x4's are basically not included but the laws and issues mean nothing. The ATV's, bikes and UTV's are going to have to carry the load for the time being but there is still NO ACCOUNTABILITY for G&F and they receive the largest portion of the dollars. They have screwed us re the $800,000.00 they receive from the OHV Gas Tax and now they want more than double ...... again with no accountability. As the numbers are looking right now OHV will receive less than we're receiving from the OHV Gas Tax funds we get today. The OHV Coalition has hired a lobbyist (NOT CHEAP) to help us and he certainly earned his fee today in the Resource Comm. Rep. Weiers tried to shut out everyone from speaking other than those he "thought" were on his side. Wrong. Three of the four allowed to speak shut him down and said they would not support the bill as written. Then when we were not allowed to speak our lobbyist stepped up and basically demanded he be allowed to speak. It did pass the Resource Comm. but Rep. Weiers has called a meeting for tomorrow afternoon so I'll know more after this meeting. Hopefully he now realizes OHV mean business and we will NOT support G&F budget.

Yes it can be beneficial in the fact we can receive up to $5 M for ON THE GROUND PROJECTS, STAGING AREAS, DEVELOPING SPECIAL AREAS (EXTREME TECHNICAL AREAS/TRAILS), NEW TRAILS, PARKS ETC ETC........... The OHV Gas Tax gives us less than $1M............ IF we do not receive at least 50% of the funds we'll simply kill the bill again.

LICENSED 4x4's, trucks etc do not require a sticker. An unlicensed Jeep, buggy, etc MIGHT need to have a sticker.?????????? It's been proposed for "full sized vehicles" to be on a voluntary basis. This is still in debate.

[Sean K.]

The problem is that the $1M we are supposed to be getting to fund "on the ground projects" is being misappropriated......and giving them 5 times that much will likely only lead to more abuse as well as plenty of funding to enforce and sign closures.

Sean

[rockwerks]

There has to be accountability written into this bill

[Sandee McCullen]

The problem is that the $1M we are supposed to be getting to fund "on the ground projects" is being misappropriated......and giving them 5 times that much will likely only lead to more abuse as well as plenty of funding to enforce and sign closures.

Sean

Not one penny of the dollars to OHV are being "misappropriated". Please don't make comments you know NOTHING about Sean.

The OHV Advisory Group working with State Parks work daily on getting funds to OHV and can account for every penny. The OHV Gas Tax dollars are going out through agreements to get to the ground fast, the RTP Federal dollars are through a grant process.

The ones "misappropriating" money are G&F. They receive 30% off the top of the Gas Tax funds for OHV Law Enforcement and OHV Education. This gives them approx. $800,000.00 each year. They claim they use $600,000.00 for OHV Law enforcement............ of which they also claim there are no "OHV laws" thusly cannot enforce anything. If they so much as TALK to an ATV rider during a shift of habitat or hunting issues they write the entire day off on the OHV funds. The additional $200,000.00 goes towards brochures, quads, quad trailer toy box, tow vehicle etc. OHV have had use of the trailer for events or education weekends exactly 4 times in 13 years. Most of the time we're told............ "It's opening hunting season; we need it elsewhere" etc. The toy box trailer at this time (and the past 4-5 months) is parked at Ben Avery Shooting Range being used as an OFFICE. THIS IS MISAPPROPRIATION of funds......... not grants to OHV by State Parks.

Accountability is not the only issue within the existing bill but it certainly is the most important. The Coalition has hired a lobbyist that is going at them like a ramcharger. He's not letting them doggy OHV into a corner. If OHV does not get what is needed in this bill to make it workable as well as fair to OHV it will be killed. We did it last year.......... we can do it again but this is NOT the time. Please let OUR lobbyist handle and guide us through this for now.

[xFallen]

The way that bill is written is total crap. Little of any input from us apparently reached it. I didn't expect much and therefore am not disappointed.

Pouring crap into a toilet and expecting anything other than sewage on the other end wouldn't be realistic.


Barry

[Sandee McCullen]

The way that bill is written is total crap. Little of any input from us apparently reached it. I didn't expect much and therefore am not disappointed.

Pouring crap into a toilet and expecting anything other than sewage on the other end wouldn't be realistic.


Barry

Yes, the bill as written is crap. The OHV contingent is fighting HARD FOR OHV to make this right. AMA; SEMA; ORBA and MIC are also on board. If we win........ and we will......... this via responsible, respectful ways it will hold OHV a step higher as a stakeholder in the future. It does already as Representative Weiers asked us back to the table for a meeting today following what he thought was a slam dunk in his favor at yesterdays Resource meeting. Please just trust our lobbyist for now. He's ON OUR SIDE, he understands our side and has some power as well as knowledge.

G&F URGENT NOTICES are what is "crap". There points are correct................... but none of their "issues" are covered in the bill. The only thing they're pushing for is the bigger share of the dollars and I, for one, have no intention of FUNDING G&F DEPT. GENERAL BUDGET.

[RufftyTuffty]

......and remove the AZ OHV commission/coaliation from the decision making loop so that they can do whatever they want.

Good catch Rich....you da man :D

[Sean K.]

Not one penny of the dollars to OHV are being "misappropriated". Please don't make comments you know NOTHING about Sean.



The ones "misappropriating" money are G&F. They receive 30% off the top of the Gas Tax funds for OHV Law Enforcement and OHV Education. This gives them approx. $800,000.00 each year. They claim they use $600,000.00 for OHV Law enforcement............ of which they also claim there are no "OHV laws" thusly cannot enforce anything. If they so much as TALK to an ATV rider during a shift of habitat or hunting issues they write the entire day off on the OHV funds. The additional $200,000.00 goes towards brochures, quads, quad trailer toy box, tow vehicle etc. OHV have had use of the trailer for events or education weekends exactly 4 times in 13 years. Most of the time we're told............ "It's opening hunting season; we need it elsewhere" etc. The toy box trailer at this time (and the past 4-5 months) is parked at Ben Avery Shooting Range being used as an OFFICE. THIS IS MISAPPROPRIATION of funds......... not grants to OHV by State Parks.



You just proved my point Sandee..... or can you not read what you just wrote? If G&F are getting money from the current gas tax that's supposed to be for OHV and they are using it for other things (like the trailer incident).....then the money's being MISAPPROPRIATED.


Sean

[Sandee McCullen]

You just proved my point Sandee..... or can you not read what you just wrote? If G&F are getting money from the current gas tax that's supposed to be for OHV and they are using it for other things (like the trailer incident).....then the money's being MISAPPROPRIATED.


Sean

Only the 30% directed to G&F. The OHV dollars are not, nor have been, misappropriated. We cannot do anything about the portion to G&F. This is within statute that was done in the early 90's. OHV "proponents" as you referenced, HAVE HAD A SAY in this process. Last year's bill the "administrators" of the WHOLE deal were to be G&F. This year's bill keeps State Parks, along with the OHV Advisory Group, as administrators. G&F will still get a portion for "OHV law enforcement and OHV Education" but this is what we're demanding they be ACCOUNTABLE for. This is a key issue in supporting this bill. Rep. Weiers wants accountability also but he also wants SOMETHING to go through this year with the intent of "fixing" it next year. OHV delegation are not willing to bet on "fixing" anything at a later day.
There needs to be a compromise somewhere......... we cannot have it all either.

[Sandee McCullen]

COPPER STICKER UPDATE

As most of you know, HB 2443 went to the Natural Resouces committee on wed. 2/7/07. What you do not know are the 4 groups/individuals that Rep. Weiers thought were supporting HIM did not do so. Each of them testified before the Resource Committee stating: Did not trust G&F; G&F needs to be totally accountable for funds they receive; and did not support the bill until several other issues were addressed. The bill is truly "mumbo jumbo" at this time for two reasons. 1) Representative Jerry Weiers truly wants something to go through to help OHV issues, but what he's NOT yet understanding is OHV will receive almost nothing and what G&F receive will be misappropriated as the OHV Gas Tax dollars have been used over the past 13 years. 2) Until last week when the AZ OHV Coalition was able to come up with "a portion" of the funds to hire a lobbyist we were not looked at as substantive stakeholders. To the end result showing at the hearing yesterday: Following the 4 speakers supposedly siding with Rep. Weiers presentation he called the end to any more testimony. OUR lobbyist stepped up and DEMANDED time............. He got it. Yes, it passed this committee but there were numerous questions from the members following the meeting. Remember, Jerry Weiers is the chair of Resources and his brother, Jim Weiers is Speaker of the House. As a result Rep. Weiers called another meeting for today. I'll be there.

Jeff and I have worked with our lobbyist for 2 weeks now and we have met with the Sportsmans Lobbyist and the Dealers Lobbyist (2/5/07) , from this meeting it was decided that all 3 groups would go to Rep Weiers with the same message............."the bill is unsupportable as written". As a result of G&F "pleading" to TRUST them............ The dealers assoc. stayed with G&F. The sportsmen group were tempted but backed off at the last minute prior to the Committee meeting and supported the OHV side.

The options for Weiers were :
Change the bill to suit our requested changes.
We vote neutral on the bill but explain in committee what is wrong with the bill(Weiers losses face) MAke Changes so we can support thru this hearing.
OR..........We vote against bill.
It's not felt we could, or should, stop the bill in this committee, but we will have set the stage for the Senate side when the bill moves over.
The bill actually is looking better after each of our meetings , surprisingly , Weiers is actually making most of the changes we've outlined............there are only 4 key issues right now , and though big , I think Weiers really wants a bill to go thru, and we really want a good bill .............making his a good bill is not to far off.

Key issues:
Where money goes and accountability.

how trails are designated: Open unless posted closed or closed unless posted open??? Example G&F continue stating the "state can dictate to the feds". They now have gone so far as to accuse Jeff and I of lieing that they've spoken with FS AND the Attorney Generals office (as though the AG has a say in land management) and that BOTH have stated trails will be SIGNED OPEN. FS specifically explained the new directives mandating "DESIGNATIONS" which mean "open, closed, or limited". In other words.......... USE.

Actual cost of indicia plate /sticker. Department of Transportation sets the price in bill. No cap, no advisory group.

Another issue right now is after everyone takes their share OHV receives about $600,000.00 more than we receive right now from the OHV Gas Tax fund.
The OHV Gas Tax fund starts at $2.5 M.......... We receive about $900,000.00 of $2.5.
The combination of the OHV Gas Tax and the Use Sticker will revenue $10 M............ We only receive $1.5 of $10 M. This is WRONG and I, for one, will not support G&F general budget. BUT.......... we must compromise somewhere. The Copper Sticker Task Team has agreed from the beginning (two years ago) that if at least 50% came back to OHV we could live with that allowing for a review every 3 years as well as ACCOUNTABILITY for ALL funds. G&F refused to support this even though it was unanimous within the rest of the Task Team.

Another bill HB3445, is about an amber front plate and I have not gotten to that yet, it to is about OHV use and applies to this bill in a round about way ...............

CLARIFICATION: At this time the 4x4's are NOT INCLUDED in this bill. It's directed at ATV's, bikes & UTV's. It also does NOT, nor is it intended to, OPEN TRAILS. It's dollars to help MANAGE what we have. Opening new trails has nothing to do with this fee. Opening trails/areas are up to the land management agency. We CAN help pay for NEPA, signing, maintenance etc but please don't get into your heads all monies directed to OHV is to OPEN TRAILS. Arizona probably has more trails that the combination of the entire rest of the country put together. We need MANAGEMENT and EDUCATION and PROTECTION or ENFORCEMENT.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE.......... DO NOT move forward with letters or complaints at this time. Our lobbyist says we can kill this at any time if it goes to the Senate without OHV support. We must be positive right now...........

IF YOU WANT TO HELP.......... DONATIONS TO THE COALITION TO CONTINUE PAYING OUR LOBBYIST WOULD BE APPRECIATED. HE'S DOING A GREAT JOB FOR "US" BUT THE COALITION DOESN'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO CONTINUE THROUGH 2007 LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

More as I know it.

[xFallen]

The bill as written does not specifically preclude 4x4s or dune buggies or sand rails and in fact as written can be applied to vehicles other than ATVs. It doesn't matter what someone says. What is in the bill is what becomes law.

This bill as written is not good. I believe supporting it in its current form is a bad idea.

If people are serious about making it move forward then I would think it would be worth waiting to get more support for better wording.

If that bill passes as it stands, it is very plain to me that we lose.


Barry

[Sandee McCullen]

The bill as written does not specifically preclude 4x4s or dune buggies or sand rails and in fact as written can be applied to vehicles other than ATVs. It doesn't matter what someone says. What is in the bill is what becomes law.

This bill as written is not good. I believe supporting it in its current form is a bad idea.

If people are serious about making it move forward then I would think it would be worth waiting to get more support for better wording.

If that bill passes as it stands, it is very plain to me that we lose.


Barry

You are correct. They did put the section in that UNLICENSED 4x4's must have a sticker if they travel off highway but there is still a problem with this because where the ATV's and UTV's [if they have street legal equipment and insurance] can have street registration/license for the $20.00/$25.00 Use Sticker Fee. Full sized vehicles do not have this option BUT they have still not clarified if the Use Sticker will allow buggies, sand rails or jeeps/trucks/etc on County Maintained roads with the Use Sticker.

If we can get a couple of issues clarified ............ like absolute ACCOUNTABILITY we CAN LIVE with this bill and it does NOT slam OHV.

We ARE working at improving the wording. That's why the Coalition has put out $10,000.00 for a lobbyist. We need another $10,000.00 to complete this drive. That's why I, and several others, are spending several hours every day in meetings with Rep. Weiers, or his aide, or our lobbyist, and/or the lobbyists from the sportsman group and the OHV dealers group. Screaming and hollaring and/or whining about "what it should/could be" isn't going to get anything done.

Again, .......... The OHV Coalition does NOT support the existing bill but it is close enough to working for us that we're taking a "neutral" stand at this time while working towards wording that does not allow G&F wiggle room to do as they please. We can kill the entire bill down the line if we cannot reach an agreement. It has a long way to go through the floor of the House and then into Senate committees. There is no way to "NOT CONTINUE" at this time. The existing bill was submitted at the 11th hour as it was. Changes and amendments can be made as it moves through it's courses. That's what is happening.

We have no intention of letting the existing bill go through to law.

[Sandee McCullen]

OHV enthusiasts et al...........

I am writing this to clarify a couple of important issues regarding the OHV "Indicia" sticker, HB2443 presented by Representative Jerry Weiers..........

Evidently our page is being viewed and monitored by someone that is deliberately going back to Representative Weiers with false reports that "Sandee McCullen" is rabble rousing to "KILL the bill". So................. whomever you are this is to you.

Neither I, nor the OHV Coalition, is out to kill this bill at this time. Are we really stupid enough to hire a lobbyist and attend way too many meetings if either I or the Coalition is looking to kill this bill at this time? Give a break.

To those that are monitoring you have also seen the numerous outraged recreationists stating this bill is "garbage" or "crap". As written, it is!!!! I have NEVER encouraged anyone to kill this bill at this time. I have sat at this screen until 3:00 a.m. trying to explain what has happened and why. I have said over and over we "are very close to a good bill"; the "concept is good........ There are issues under the surface that need addressing". I have also stated OHV may not need to do anything………. It may be killed in the Senate. I do SUPPORT an OHV bill, specifically the one the Task Team AGREED to………… hopefully this bill will end up being close to this approved proposal.

Different issues are hot for different people but the overall consensus is the existing bill is not acceptable as written. NO ONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT IT SAYS…………… hmmmmmmmmmmm maybe done intentionally to create loopholes? My personal thoughts on this is Representative Weiers simply wants "something" in and is very concerned what the House and Senate Committee members will do. He simply does not understand the many issues an ambiguous bill will cause. We may get everything we want in Weiers bill but the Senate could morph it the same as last year. Will we kill it if that happens again? Absolutely but ONLY if nothing else can be done to salvage this bill.

I have stated over and over there must be compromise but there are several issues such as ACCOUNTABILITY that will determine whether OHV will continue supporting this bill. The Coalition realizes everyone is not going to support this bill or the concept but for the majority the Coalition members support a funding source that is fair and not supporting any agency general budget. These dollars are intended for OHV issues. Yes, administrative fees, overhead, etc need funds but not support of a general agency budget. Many members of the OHV community are very very wary of the dollars being swept by the legislature again......... There is not a lot of trust out there.

Bottom line monitors……………….. We will not support any bill that doesn't help support OHV but at this time I AM SUPPORTING MOVING FORWARD and will continue doing so. It's that simple.

[dunernr]

its all garbage and there never will be accountability... thats how the goeverment works after all!

[rockwerks]

its all garbage and there never will be accountability... thats how the goeverment works after all!


Then we got to war to defeat it like we did before.

[My1stJeep]

Whomever is spreading these lies needs to man up and stop. There have been several on this page that have spouted off about starting the kill the bill proposal already, however Sandee has said we have time and said we need to hold off. The bill is moving forward and the lobbyist has seen some signs that say we should hold off and this was communicated to the board, via Sandee. At no time has she asked for this current bill to be stopped, instead she has said there is plenty of time to stop it. Guess there is someone who is anti-ohv on here that would like to see their agenda passed and is using lie tactics to do it. That only goes to prove that they are worried or spineless, take your pick.

One suggestion, if you can't do it face to face, don't do it. Obviously someone is doing this behind her back and that leads me to believe this person is spineless. Whom ever you are please go away quietly and actually be a person of character rather than a blob (not saying anything about the persons size, only referencing that a person with no spine would fall apart into a blob).

[Sandee McCullen]

Whomever is spreading these lies needs to man up and stop. There have been several on this page that have spouted off about starting the kill the bill proposal already, however Sandee has said we have time and said we need to hold off. The bill is moving forward and the lobbyist has seen some signs that say we should hold off and this was communicated to the board, via Sandee. At no time has she asked for this current bill to be stopped, instead she has said there is plenty of time to stop it. Guess there is someone who is anti-ohv on here that would like to see their agenda passed and is using lie tactics to do it. That only goes to prove that they are worried or spineless, take your pick.

One suggestion, if you can't do it face to face, don't do it. Obviously someone is doing this behind her back and that leads me to believe this person is spineless. Whom ever you are please go away quietly and actually be a person of character rather than a blob (not saying anything about the persons size, only referencing that a person with no spine would fall apart into a blob).

Thanks for the support Chris but quite frankly I don't believe it's anyone from this forum. I have my beliefs and most likely "they" know who I'm pointing a finger at. I'd rather leave it at that for the time being. I'll settle directly with Representative Weiers tomorrow.

[AzCoyote]

I just received this from Game and Fish today...

Also more info seen here...
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/48leg/1r/proposed/h.2443jw.doc.htm

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News from the Arizona Game and Fish Commission

Off-Highway Recreational Bill heads to Senate floor for crucial vote
Contact your Senator today and ask them to support HB 2443
House Bill 2443, the Off-Highway Recreational Bill, will head to the Arizona Senate floor shortly for a critical vote to improve off-highway vehicle (OHV) recreation and management in Arizona. At this stage in the legislative process, it is vital to contact your senators and ask them to continue to support HB 2443. To locate and contact individual senators, visit azleg.gov/memberroster. To read the full text of HB 2443, visit the Arizona State Legislature Web site at azleg.gov/bills. Also, visit the Arizona Game and Fish Department’s Web site, azgfd.gov, for more information on the bill.
The bill is supported not only by the Arizona Game and Fish commission but by a broad and diverse coalition comprised of sportsmen clubs and organizations, OHV recreationists, outdoor user groups, law enforcement agencies and county and local governments.
House Bill 2443:
• Would bolster resources for OHV management, including trails and facilities, access, law enforcement, education, safety and mitigation for damage.
• Would create a small, annual flat fee for a license plate for off-highway vehicle use.
• Would enact new laws that will better protect Arizona’s natural resources from inappropriate use of OHVs.
• Would expand safety standards.
• Would improve equipment standards, such as muffler and sound requirements.
• Would dramatically reduce the current Vehicle License Tax to just $3. This tax allows properly equipped all-terrain cycles (dirt bikes), all-terrain vehicles (quads), and utility vehicles on streets and highways.

The Arizona Game and Fish Department prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, sex, national origin, age, or disability in its programs and activities. If anyone believes that they have been discriminated against in any of the AGFD’s programs or activities, including employment practices, they may file a complaint with the Deputy Director, 2221 W. Greenway Rd. Phoenix, AZ 85023, (602) 942-3000, or with the Fish and Wildlife Service, 4040 N. Fairfax Dr. Ste. 130, Arlington, VA 22203. Persons with a disability may request a reasonable accommodation or this document in an alternative format by contacting the Deputy Director as listed above.
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[Antman]

Just received an email:

From: Tom O'Halleran
Date: 4/25/2007 9:21:23 AM
To: Bill Witt
Subject: RE: URGENT HB 2443


Bill:

We defeated the amendment and the bill has moved to third read.

Tom