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42760 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 4:25pm
Subject: RE: Awards @ BBQ
More award suggestions.
Rookie of the year !!! Nominate me!
Most improved ??? Me again!!
Joey K
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:35 PM
To: Robert Holmes; dr_ww@h...; Mike@A...;
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Awards @ BBQ
Does anyone like the ideas of
supplier of the year
garage of the year
Member website
tech article
Something for Wrenching parties
As soon as we decide on the categories and time period we can start
nominating.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Holmes [mailto:flamable_liquid@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 8:23 PM
To: dr_ww@h...; Mike@A...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Awards @ BBQ
Im making a list
If you guys seriously want to do this ill take nominations or perhaps Mike
could set somthing up on the site or whatnot but hey I think its fun
>From: "David R. W. Withers" <dr_ww@h...>
>To: "'Robert Holmes'" <flamable_liquid@h...>,
><Mike@A...>, <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Awards @ BBQ
>Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:20:09 -0700
>
>How about:
>Most controversial member (most flamed)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert Holmes [mailto:flamable_liquid@h...]
>Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 7:18 PM
>To: Mike@A...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Awards @ BBQ
>
>
>I think that we should do awards at the BBQ it could be fun and whatnot.
>Anyway these are mike's original ideas I think at this point we should
>go with these or if somone else has a really good one add it. Although
>we should make guidelines for these down here (Mike im looking at you
>here since you thought them up)
> >Things like:
> >"Jeeper of the Year"
> >"Most Often Stuck" (or Broke)
> >"Worst Stuck" (or Broke)
> >"Most Notorious Trip" (awarded to the Trip Leader)
> >"Mechanic of the Year"
> >"Most likely to Flame OT Posts"
>
>-----> Another one I like is Best Rescue Rig - based on which rig people
>would like to see comming down the trail when they break somthing (Rig
>not
>Driver) qualifications being general mods and rescue equipment being
>carried on the Jeep. <----- Hope the driver knows how to fix things
>
>A process that I think is good is
>1 make guidelines for the ones listed
>2 make a nominations string with the award and who you want nominated
>for it (this Might want to be done off list since there will more than
>likely be a lot of them and so votes dont influence others) 3 we take
>the top 5 or so nominees for each award and make a poll for who should
>win. (we could possibly also make a page on the website explaining each
>situation/nominee and why they should win so those people who dont know
>the details could get an idea of what they are voting for)
>
>So with that being said is this a good idea bad idea or what cuz i think
>this may be a good way to do this.
>
>
>
>~Robert Holmes
>
>
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42761 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 5:09pm
Subject: Re: D44 disk brakes
Stu just did this conversion. He may have a write up on his site.
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Haw
To: AzVJC
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:53 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] D44 disk brakes
Anyone done a disk conversion on a flanged 1 piece d44? Any writeups on the net? I want to do it with the disk over the flange not behind it if possible.
Thanks
Keith
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42762 From: AzVJC Website <dookie78@j...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 6:12pm
Subject: [FS] d35c axle shaft
Price: $40.00
Contact: Bob Kennedy
Pass. side d35 axle out of 99 TJ
Bob Kennedy
42763 From: paparoach85251 <lespaparoach@m...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 6:11pm
Subject: It's here! It's here!
Well the palet just got delivered at my house. Strapped to it was my
shiny new Dana 44 with Super 44 axles and an OX locker. Also with it
were my new lower gears for the front end. Unfortunately, it will be
a week to 10 days before my Dana 30 ox gets here b/c it is on
backorder. Any way, as you can all imagine I am quite excited over my
new mods and can't wait to install everything and get her out on the
trails.
So start planning now to attend the big axle swap wrenching party.
Chris and Joe, have we set a date and driveway yet?
Les
P.S. - now I really need those pics and/or tips on installing the ox
cables and shifters.
42764 From: Eric Marble <emarble3@p...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 6:30pm
Subject: stock motor mounts
if anyone needs some stock motor mounts out of a TJ don't know what year. I have 2 laying around. No charge, makes good spares.
Eric
42765 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 6:41pm
Subject: [TR] FR-42 - Saturday, February 16, 2002
Hello All,
Mike Acuna is leading a FR-42 trail run on Saturday, February 16, 2002.
When: Saturday February 16.
Where: Bartlett Lake pay station 10:00am. Start at about 10:15am.
Rating: 3.0+
Length: 3-4 hours
CB Channel: 4
Hopefully someone who has ran this entire run will show and lead the way.
I have made the run from Indian Springs Wash back into the
Verde and seen where FR-42 crossed Indian Springs. I'm not
exactley sure of the starting spot, but I think I can find it.
I would like to run the entire FR-42 from Bartlett to Horseshoe
Dam Rd.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
42766 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 7:07pm
Subject: [FS] 33 x 15.50 Swampers
Price: $200
Contact: chris@azrockcrawler.com
Pictures here http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/forsale/forsale.html. 4 33 x 15.50 TSL/SX's with about 30% tread left. A good way to try em out before your buy new ones at $180 a pop. $200 for all 4.
Chris Villarreal
42767 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 8:14pm
Subject: [FS] 5 30x9.50 BFG AT KOs
Price: $325 OBO
Contact: jakewagner@yahoo.com
I have 4 used 30x9.50 BFG AT KOs with about 31,000 miles on them. 50% tread left great for a daily driver light trail use. Brand new spare, never been on the ground! I want to upgrade to a MT tire need to sell these before I can get my new ones.
They are currently on my 00 TJ and are on the SE factory 15x6 wheels. Buyer takes wheels and tires!
Jake
42768 From: Craig Micek <micekc@e...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 8:36pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Rock Crawl Cancelled?
I was looking forward to this also. Sandy said not enough support, any idea what she means? Was it not enough entries? Or did they need a letter campaign to the BLM? I was not aware of any appeal for assistance.
Craig Micek
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club ; Arizona Dust Devils
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 3:53 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Fw: Rock Crawl Cancelled?
This is the reply I got from Sandee M. of ASA Four Wheel Drive Clubs. To bad I was looking forward to spectating.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandee McCullen
To: Mike
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 3:08 PM
Subject: RE: Rock Crawl Cancelled?
Boy, the grapevine is FAST............... yes, the event as a "competition" has been cancelled due to BLM mucking around getting the permit approved and putting "stipulations" in place that were above the line etc etc. Part of the reason was we did not receive the support from our local rock crawlers to make this event a spectacular event.
The Arizona Rock Crawlers are planning a campout this weekend and will be doing "rock crawling" for fun and exhibition.......... EVERYONE is invited to join in.
Sandee
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike [mailto:h8pvmnt@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:30 AM
To: Sandee McCullen
Subject: Rock Crawl Cancelled?
Sandee,
I just got an e-mail saying the rock crawl had been cancelled is this true?
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
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42769 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 8:55pm
Subject: Gears??
Hey Guys,
I am in need of 4.56 or 4.88 gears for Dana 30 Reverse cut front and an 8.8 rear and a detroit soft locker for the 8.8 (welded the front spiders) Anyone know the scoop on gears? Which are good or bad etc (Superior, Genuine Gear etc.), where is the cheapest place to get them? also who do you reccomend for installation? Four Wheelers Supply? Kongs? I also heard that someone in the club will do gears for 100 bucks, who is this and has anyone had any good bad or other experiences with him? I am looking to do this in the first couple weeks of March, so I am in no hurry. Thanks All
Scott "Iron" Maiden
93 Green YJ SOA
01 GSX-R 750....o~`o
http://www.scottmaiden.gixxer.com
bermboy@hotmail.com
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42770 From: mt_b <mt_b@y...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 9:05pm
Subject: It's alive!!
Well after having the jeep down for almost a month, it's finally
functional again! I built a flat skidplate, new tranny mount, and
new front/rear bumpers, put the spare in the tub on a new rack,
installed an OR-Fab cage...and the Teraflex long-arms are FINALLY
on. Was told the first week of Jan they would ship within a
week....they actually shipped the first week in Feb, guess they
forgot to mention that minor detail. Also cut the front fenders
under the hoodline and built new hood supports...so no more fenders
at all. All that's left is to get an alignment, grind the rest of the
welds off the frame from the old brackets and put in a new starter.
Next up is 4" springs, build some long uppers and get some bigger
meats....it sucks when 33s start to look small!
Dan Coley
42771 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 9:11pm
Subject: Re: It's alive!!
Sounds real good Dan. Any pics yet?
Chris K
On Wednesday, February 13, 2002, at 10:05 PM, mt_b wrote:
> Well after having the jeep down for almost a month, it's finally
> functional again! I built a flat skidplate, new tranny mount, and
> new front/rear bumpers, put the spare in the tub on a new rack,
> installed an OR-Fab cage...and the Teraflex long-arms are FINALLY
> on. Was told the first week of Jan they would ship within a
> week....they actually shipped the first week in Feb, guess they
> forgot to mention that minor detail. Also cut the front fenders
> under the hoodline and built new hood supports...so no more fenders
> at all. All that's left is to get an alignment, grind the rest of the
> welds off the frame from the old brackets and put in a new starter.
> Next up is 4" springs, build some long uppers and get some bigger
> meats....it sucks when 33s start to look small!
>
> Dan Coley
>
>
>
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42772 From: Nick <nnote@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 9:20pm
Subject: Today's Powerline trip
Today's trip was great! I'll have a report on it tommorow.
Nick
42773 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 9:27pm
Subject: [FS] SOA,, geared and Locked F/F D35 and D30 with 35's on 15 x 8 American Eagles, plus more
Price: See below
Contact: Nasser
I am selling a modified front Dana 30 and a rear Dana 35 axles the from my 94 YJ. Here is the list of modifications, I'll sell all or parts.
Dana 35 equipped with the following:
4:10 gears
Warn Full Floater
Power Trax No Slip locker (5 months old)
Spring over with shocks (or spring under)
Rear CV drive Shaft (flange type) with 1310 U joint on
the pinion side (Rubicon express)
Anti-Spring-Wrap Bar for the rear axle
Dana 30 equipped with the following:
4.10 gears
Spring Over with Shocks (or spring under)
Lock Rite locker
35x12.5x15 BFG AT KO tires mounted on 15 x 8 offset American Eagles (quantity 4). Plus a spare 35 x 12.5 x 15 (not a KO) on a steel offset rim.
I am asking $2,600 for all. Perfect for setting up a YJ, just bolt it up. (You'll need SYE, extended brake lines and a drop pitman arm)
You can see some pictures of my jeep in the Gallery
Nasser Pirshafiey
42774 From: vtchopper <jasonandkatiemerrillinaz@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 9:48pm
Subject: Re: [TR] FR-42 - Saturday, February 16, 2002
--- In az_vjc@y..., AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...> wrote:
> hello there, to start 42 you need to go to rattle snake cove road
and go about 2 miles down.. on your right you will se a info
board..across the road is the start of 42 follow that into the desert
and have fun there are a few turns you have to make but trial and ..
I like to call it exploring is alot of fun in there. when you make
your way to the indian springs point you can continue to horseshoe
dam but about half way through it turns to small rocks and shale..
its gets chattery with nothing more than a 2.5 trail. but... the
views are great and the weather will be very nice that day so have a
good time, if you have any questions on the aboout which direction to
turn on the trail give me a call before you go and i can give you a
more detailed map so you wont get lost.. have fun Jason 99 TJ 602-
722-9391
42775 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 6:55am
Subject: Death Wobble with Leaf Springs
OK!!!! I just finished my full width axle swap (D44 from Chevy half ton up
front) and I have death wobble starting around 35 mph. I figure a LOT of you
have coil springs and are VERY familiar with what it took to get rid of
yours. I need some advice as to what might be causing it. Here is all of
the information I can think to give:
1) Caster is around 6-7 degrees right now.
2) Spring over set up
3) Tires are 35X15.50 TSL/SX's that were taken from a truck that was in an
accident. Bent wheel??????
4) All lug nuts are tight.
5) Ball joints are original from axle the first time. I did not change them
out as they "seemed" ok.
6) High clearance steering
7) Toe setting may be a bit "snow plow" right now. I tried to eye ball it
as I didn't have another to measure last night. Should be close.
Any help would be appreciated. I'm wanting to say that it is the fact that I
have a good deal of caster (should be around 2 degrees for this setup) and
that the wheels and tires could be totally messed up such as bent and large
flat spots.
Who is it that works at the alignment shop? I would like to bounce some
questions off of you too.
TIA to everyone. I'm close................
--
----------------------------
Jay Eller (http://www.goodnet.com/~eller)
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
42776 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 7:09am
Subject: Re: Awards @ BBQ
Scott K, hands down! Well, until he got married.....;)
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "David R. W. Withers" <dr_ww@h...> wrote:
> How about:
> Most controversial member (most flamed)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Holmes [mailto:flamable_liquid@h...]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 7:18 PM
> To: Mike@A...; az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Awards @ BBQ
>
>
> I think that we should do awards at the BBQ it could be fun and
whatnot.
> Anyway these are mike's original ideas I think at this point we
should
> go with these or if somone else has a really good one add it.
Although
> we should make guidelines for these down here (Mike im looking at
you
> here since you thought them up)
> >Things like:
> >"Jeeper of the Year"
> >"Most Often Stuck" (or Broke)
> >"Worst Stuck" (or Broke)
> >"Most Notorious Trip" (awarded to the Trip Leader)
> >"Mechanic of the Year"
> >"Most likely to Flame OT Posts"
>
> -----> Another one I like is Best Rescue Rig - based on which rig
people
> would like to see comming down the trail when they break somthing
(Rig
> not
> Driver) qualifications being general mods and rescue equipment being
> carried on the Jeep. <----- Hope the driver knows how to fix things
>
> A process that I think is good is
> 1 make guidelines for the ones listed
> 2 make a nominations string with the award and who you want
nominated
> for it (this Might want to be done off list since there will more
than
> likely be a lot of them and so votes dont influence others) 3 we
take
> the top 5 or so nominees for each award and make a poll for who
should
> win. (we could possibly also make a page on the website explaining
each
> situation/nominee and why they should win so those people who dont
know
> the details could get an idea of what they are voting for)
>
> So with that being said is this a good idea bad idea or what cuz i
think
> this may be a good way to do this.
>
>
>
> ~Robert Holmes
>
>
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42777 From: ROBERT NYBERG <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 7:07am
Subject: RS9000's and Trailer
Still have the shocks and trailer for sale. See them at web site want
ads.
Bob
42778 From: <SKYDIVEMAT@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 2:17am
Subject: Re: April BBQ/Award show????
John,
I enjoyed last years BBQ a lot too. I know last BBQ I was one of the last few to leave and we had quite a bit of chips and dogs left over. I do have one idea for the next one to help avoid this.
I could put together a simple spread sheet to track what food items people will be bringing. As Jeepers are signing up for the BBQ they could send me and e-mail (maybe with "Food 4 BBQ" in the subject box) and I will track the information. I would also send out a few updates as the list grows to let the group know if we have 30 bags of chips and 1 dozen hamburgers.
Also, just as a heads-ups for the group, my e-mail will be changing. My new e-mail will be mmckeon5cox.net.
Matt Mckeon
95 ZJ
42779 From: imagineero <imagineero@x...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 7:10am
Subject: where is the flex?
I recently did a lift on my rig, 2 inches of shackle lift (heavy duty
shackles with crossbar support) plus 2 inches of spring lift. I changed
shocks at the same time to rancho's of suitable length. I've lost a lot of
the flex that I used to have and it's hurting me on the trail. Sway bar is
removed front and rear, same as it was before the lift. Pre-lift shackles
were horrible thin and wimpy, they twisted while steering and caused bad
handling. This is now cured, but my ride is a lot less flexy :-(
Friends have told me that this is common when lifting, they say it's
because of spring twist mostly. What is the answer? I've heard that
revolving (and rotating) shackles are pretty much the way to go, but at
around $400/set over here compared to $50/ set for the shackles I bought
it's hard to justify. I'm running the original rubber bushings, reason
being that I figure poly bushings would just exacerbate the problem. Are
there any easy(or easier) ways to get my flex back?
Thanks,
Shaun
South Korea
42780 From: Jayke Thorpe <jeepboy_3@y...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 7:28am
Subject: 2 Questions
First...How do you find people to go wheelin' with? I
have a '98 Grand Cherokee Laredo, v85.9l, 33', 4"lift,
and air lockers...no one else I know has anything, so
I usually hit the trail alone with my wife...
Second...when I hit around 50-60mph, the front end of
my jeep sometimes shakes pretty bad. A mechanic told
me it was my track bar...Does that sound right...he
was kind of shady.
Thanks All,
Jayke
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42781 From: Darren Richards <r50880@e...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 7:32am
Subject: Re: Death Wobble with Leaf Springs
Check the U-bolts, and make sure they're tight. I've had death wobble
on two different Jeeps that were both caused by loose U-bolts. (I've
found they tend to stretch a bit over time.) That may or may not be
your problem, but it's easy to check and fix.
Jay Eller wrote:
>
> OK!!!! I just finished my full width axle swap (D44 from Chevy half ton up
> front) and I have death wobble starting around 35 mph. I figure a LOT of you
> have coil springs and are VERY familiar with what it took to get rid of
> yours. I need some advice as to what might be causing it. Here is all of
> the information I can think to give:
>
> 1) Caster is around 6-7 degrees right now.
> 2) Spring over set up
> 3) Tires are 35X15.50 TSL/SX's that were taken from a truck that was in an
> accident. Bent wheel??????
> 4) All lug nuts are tight.
> 5) Ball joints are original from axle the first time. I did not change them
> out as they "seemed" ok.
> 6) High clearance steering
> 7) Toe setting may be a bit "snow plow" right now. I tried to eye ball it
> as I didn't have another to measure last night. Should be close.
>
> Any help would be appreciated. I'm wanting to say that it is the fact that I
> have a good deal of caster (should be around 2 degrees for this setup) and
> that the wheels and tires could be totally messed up such as bent and large
> flat spots.
>
> Who is it that works at the alignment shop? I would like to bounce some
> questions off of you too.
>
> TIA to everyone. I'm close................
> --
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller (http://www.goodnet.com/~eller)
> http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
>
>
>
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42782 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 7:58am
Subject: [FS] Trailer
Price:
Contact: mike@kingmanaz.net
Looking for a small trailer to use for camping. Will tow with my Wrangler. 4'X4' or 4'X5' bed. 15" tires.
Mike Hayes
42783 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 8:16am
Subject: RE: Re: Awards @ BBQ
Honorary mention (since I got married):
David W
:)
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepin_in_az [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:10 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Awards @ BBQ
Scott K, hands down! Well, until he got married.....;)
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "David R. W. Withers" <dr_ww@h...> wrote:
> How about:
> Most controversial member (most flamed)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Holmes [mailto:flamable_liquid@h...]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 7:18 PM
> To: Mike@A...; az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Awards @ BBQ
>
>
> I think that we should do awards at the BBQ it could be fun and
whatnot.
> Anyway these are mike's original ideas I think at this point we
should
> go with these or if somone else has a really good one add it.
Although
> we should make guidelines for these down here (Mike im looking at
you
> here since you thought them up)
> >Things like:
> >"Jeeper of the Year"
> >"Most Often Stuck" (or Broke)
> >"Worst Stuck" (or Broke)
> >"Most Notorious Trip" (awarded to the Trip Leader)
> >"Mechanic of the Year"
> >"Most likely to Flame OT Posts"
>
> -----> Another one I like is Best Rescue Rig - based on which rig
people
> would like to see comming down the trail when they break somthing
(Rig
> not
> Driver) qualifications being general mods and rescue equipment being
> carried on the Jeep. <----- Hope the driver knows how to fix things
>
> A process that I think is good is
> 1 make guidelines for the ones listed
> 2 make a nominations string with the award and who you want
nominated
> for it (this Might want to be done off list since there will more
than
> likely be a lot of them and so votes dont influence others) 3 we
take
> the top 5 or so nominees for each award and make a poll for who
should
> win. (we could possibly also make a page on the website explaining
each
> situation/nominee and why they should win so those people who dont
know
> the details could get an idea of what they are voting for)
>
> So with that being said is this a good idea bad idea or what cuz i
think
> this may be a good way to do this.
>
>
>
> ~Robert Holmes
>
>
> __________________________________________________ _______________
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42784 From: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 6:48am
Subject: powerline trip
I want to thank Nick for letting me ride along with him on the run. It's a great trail. Nick has my pics and is going to post them for y'all.
Clint
42760 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 4:25pm
Subject: RE: Awards @ BBQ
More award suggestions.
Rookie of the year !!! Nominate me!
Most improved ??? Me again!!
Joey K
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:35 PM
To: Robert Holmes; dr_ww@h...; Mike@A...;
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Awards @ BBQ
Does anyone like the ideas of
supplier of the year
garage of the year
Member website
tech article
Something for Wrenching parties
As soon as we decide on the categories and time period we can start
nominating.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Holmes [mailto:flamable_liquid@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 8:23 PM
To: dr_ww@h...; Mike@A...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Awards @ BBQ
Im making a list
If you guys seriously want to do this ill take nominations or perhaps Mike
could set somthing up on the site or whatnot but hey I think its fun
>From: "David R. W. Withers" <dr_ww@h...>
>To: "'Robert Holmes'" <flamable_liquid@h...>,
><Mike@A...>, <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Awards @ BBQ
>Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:20:09 -0700
>
>How about:
>Most controversial member (most flamed)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert Holmes [mailto:flamable_liquid@h...]
>Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 7:18 PM
>To: Mike@A...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Awards @ BBQ
>
>
>I think that we should do awards at the BBQ it could be fun and whatnot.
>Anyway these are mike's original ideas I think at this point we should
>go with these or if somone else has a really good one add it. Although
>we should make guidelines for these down here (Mike im looking at you
>here since you thought them up)
> >Things like:
> >"Jeeper of the Year"
> >"Most Often Stuck" (or Broke)
> >"Worst Stuck" (or Broke)
> >"Most Notorious Trip" (awarded to the Trip Leader)
> >"Mechanic of the Year"
> >"Most likely to Flame OT Posts"
>
>-----> Another one I like is Best Rescue Rig - based on which rig people
>would like to see comming down the trail when they break somthing (Rig
>not
>Driver) qualifications being general mods and rescue equipment being
>carried on the Jeep. <----- Hope the driver knows how to fix things
>
>A process that I think is good is
>1 make guidelines for the ones listed
>2 make a nominations string with the award and who you want nominated
>for it (this Might want to be done off list since there will more than
>likely be a lot of them and so votes dont influence others) 3 we take
>the top 5 or so nominees for each award and make a poll for who should
>win. (we could possibly also make a page on the website explaining each
>situation/nominee and why they should win so those people who dont know
>the details could get an idea of what they are voting for)
>
>So with that being said is this a good idea bad idea or what cuz i think
>this may be a good way to do this.
>
>
>
>~Robert Holmes
>
>
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42761 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 5:09pm
Subject: Re: D44 disk brakes
Stu just did this conversion. He may have a write up on his site.
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Haw
To: AzVJC
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:53 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] D44 disk brakes
Anyone done a disk conversion on a flanged 1 piece d44? Any writeups on the net? I want to do it with the disk over the flange not behind it if possible.
Thanks
Keith
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42762 From: AzVJC Website <dookie78@j...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 6:12pm
Subject: [FS] d35c axle shaft
Price: $40.00
Contact: Bob Kennedy
Pass. side d35 axle out of 99 TJ
Bob Kennedy
42763 From: paparoach85251 <lespaparoach@m...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 6:11pm
Subject: It's here! It's here!
Well the palet just got delivered at my house. Strapped to it was my
shiny new Dana 44 with Super 44 axles and an OX locker. Also with it
were my new lower gears for the front end. Unfortunately, it will be
a week to 10 days before my Dana 30 ox gets here b/c it is on
backorder. Any way, as you can all imagine I am quite excited over my
new mods and can't wait to install everything and get her out on the
trails.
So start planning now to attend the big axle swap wrenching party.
Chris and Joe, have we set a date and driveway yet?
Les
P.S. - now I really need those pics and/or tips on installing the ox
cables and shifters.
42764 From: Eric Marble <emarble3@p...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 6:30pm
Subject: stock motor mounts
if anyone needs some stock motor mounts out of a TJ don't know what year. I have 2 laying around. No charge, makes good spares.
Eric
42765 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 6:41pm
Subject: [TR] FR-42 - Saturday, February 16, 2002
Hello All,
Mike Acuna is leading a FR-42 trail run on Saturday, February 16, 2002.
When: Saturday February 16.
Where: Bartlett Lake pay station 10:00am. Start at about 10:15am.
Rating: 3.0+
Length: 3-4 hours
CB Channel: 4
Hopefully someone who has ran this entire run will show and lead the way.
I have made the run from Indian Springs Wash back into the
Verde and seen where FR-42 crossed Indian Springs. I'm not
exactley sure of the starting spot, but I think I can find it.
I would like to run the entire FR-42 from Bartlett to Horseshoe
Dam Rd.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
42766 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 7:07pm
Subject: [FS] 33 x 15.50 Swampers
Price: $200
Contact: chris@azrockcrawler.com
Pictures here http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/forsale/forsale.html. 4 33 x 15.50 TSL/SX's with about 30% tread left. A good way to try em out before your buy new ones at $180 a pop. $200 for all 4.
Chris Villarreal
42767 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 8:14pm
Subject: [FS] 5 30x9.50 BFG AT KOs
Price: $325 OBO
Contact: jakewagner@yahoo.com
I have 4 used 30x9.50 BFG AT KOs with about 31,000 miles on them. 50% tread left great for a daily driver light trail use. Brand new spare, never been on the ground! I want to upgrade to a MT tire need to sell these before I can get my new ones.
They are currently on my 00 TJ and are on the SE factory 15x6 wheels. Buyer takes wheels and tires!
Jake
42768 From: Craig Micek <micekc@e...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 8:36pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Rock Crawl Cancelled?
I was looking forward to this also. Sandy said not enough support, any idea what she means? Was it not enough entries? Or did they need a letter campaign to the BLM? I was not aware of any appeal for assistance.
Craig Micek
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club ; Arizona Dust Devils
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 3:53 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Fw: Rock Crawl Cancelled?
This is the reply I got from Sandee M. of ASA Four Wheel Drive Clubs. To bad I was looking forward to spectating.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandee McCullen
To: Mike
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 3:08 PM
Subject: RE: Rock Crawl Cancelled?
Boy, the grapevine is FAST............... yes, the event as a "competition" has been cancelled due to BLM mucking around getting the permit approved and putting "stipulations" in place that were above the line etc etc. Part of the reason was we did not receive the support from our local rock crawlers to make this event a spectacular event.
The Arizona Rock Crawlers are planning a campout this weekend and will be doing "rock crawling" for fun and exhibition.......... EVERYONE is invited to join in.
Sandee
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike [mailto:h8pvmnt@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:30 AM
To: Sandee McCullen
Subject: Rock Crawl Cancelled?
Sandee,
I just got an e-mail saying the rock crawl had been cancelled is this true?
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
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42769 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 8:55pm
Subject: Gears??
Hey Guys,
I am in need of 4.56 or 4.88 gears for Dana 30 Reverse cut front and an 8.8 rear and a detroit soft locker for the 8.8 (welded the front spiders) Anyone know the scoop on gears? Which are good or bad etc (Superior, Genuine Gear etc.), where is the cheapest place to get them? also who do you reccomend for installation? Four Wheelers Supply? Kongs? I also heard that someone in the club will do gears for 100 bucks, who is this and has anyone had any good bad or other experiences with him? I am looking to do this in the first couple weeks of March, so I am in no hurry. Thanks All
Scott "Iron" Maiden
93 Green YJ SOA
01 GSX-R 750....o~`o
http://www.scottmaiden.gixxer.com
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42770 From: mt_b <mt_b@y...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 9:05pm
Subject: It's alive!!
Well after having the jeep down for almost a month, it's finally
functional again! I built a flat skidplate, new tranny mount, and
new front/rear bumpers, put the spare in the tub on a new rack,
installed an OR-Fab cage...and the Teraflex long-arms are FINALLY
on. Was told the first week of Jan they would ship within a
week....they actually shipped the first week in Feb, guess they
forgot to mention that minor detail. Also cut the front fenders
under the hoodline and built new hood supports...so no more fenders
at all. All that's left is to get an alignment, grind the rest of the
welds off the frame from the old brackets and put in a new starter.
Next up is 4" springs, build some long uppers and get some bigger
meats....it sucks when 33s start to look small!
Dan Coley
42771 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 9:11pm
Subject: Re: It's alive!!
Sounds real good Dan. Any pics yet?
Chris K
On Wednesday, February 13, 2002, at 10:05 PM, mt_b wrote:
> Well after having the jeep down for almost a month, it's finally
> functional again! I built a flat skidplate, new tranny mount, and
> new front/rear bumpers, put the spare in the tub on a new rack,
> installed an OR-Fab cage...and the Teraflex long-arms are FINALLY
> on. Was told the first week of Jan they would ship within a
> week....they actually shipped the first week in Feb, guess they
> forgot to mention that minor detail. Also cut the front fenders
> under the hoodline and built new hood supports...so no more fenders
> at all. All that's left is to get an alignment, grind the rest of the
> welds off the frame from the old brackets and put in a new starter.
> Next up is 4" springs, build some long uppers and get some bigger
> meats....it sucks when 33s start to look small!
>
> Dan Coley
>
>
>
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42772 From: Nick <nnote@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 9:20pm
Subject: Today's Powerline trip
Today's trip was great! I'll have a report on it tommorow.
Nick
42773 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 9:27pm
Subject: [FS] SOA,, geared and Locked F/F D35 and D30 with 35's on 15 x 8 American Eagles, plus more
Price: See below
Contact: Nasser
I am selling a modified front Dana 30 and a rear Dana 35 axles the from my 94 YJ. Here is the list of modifications, I'll sell all or parts.
Dana 35 equipped with the following:
4:10 gears
Warn Full Floater
Power Trax No Slip locker (5 months old)
Spring over with shocks (or spring under)
Rear CV drive Shaft (flange type) with 1310 U joint on
the pinion side (Rubicon express)
Anti-Spring-Wrap Bar for the rear axle
Dana 30 equipped with the following:
4.10 gears
Spring Over with Shocks (or spring under)
Lock Rite locker
35x12.5x15 BFG AT KO tires mounted on 15 x 8 offset American Eagles (quantity 4). Plus a spare 35 x 12.5 x 15 (not a KO) on a steel offset rim.
I am asking $2,600 for all. Perfect for setting up a YJ, just bolt it up. (You'll need SYE, extended brake lines and a drop pitman arm)
You can see some pictures of my jeep in the Gallery
Nasser Pirshafiey
42774 From: vtchopper <jasonandkatiemerrillinaz@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 13, 2002 9:48pm
Subject: Re: [TR] FR-42 - Saturday, February 16, 2002
--- In az_vjc@y..., AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...> wrote:
> hello there, to start 42 you need to go to rattle snake cove road
and go about 2 miles down.. on your right you will se a info
board..across the road is the start of 42 follow that into the desert
and have fun there are a few turns you have to make but trial and ..
I like to call it exploring is alot of fun in there. when you make
your way to the indian springs point you can continue to horseshoe
dam but about half way through it turns to small rocks and shale..
its gets chattery with nothing more than a 2.5 trail. but... the
views are great and the weather will be very nice that day so have a
good time, if you have any questions on the aboout which direction to
turn on the trail give me a call before you go and i can give you a
more detailed map so you wont get lost.. have fun Jason 99 TJ 602-
722-9391
42775 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 6:55am
Subject: Death Wobble with Leaf Springs
OK!!!! I just finished my full width axle swap (D44 from Chevy half ton up
front) and I have death wobble starting around 35 mph. I figure a LOT of you
have coil springs and are VERY familiar with what it took to get rid of
yours. I need some advice as to what might be causing it. Here is all of
the information I can think to give:
1) Caster is around 6-7 degrees right now.
2) Spring over set up
3) Tires are 35X15.50 TSL/SX's that were taken from a truck that was in an
accident. Bent wheel??????
4) All lug nuts are tight.
5) Ball joints are original from axle the first time. I did not change them
out as they "seemed" ok.
6) High clearance steering
7) Toe setting may be a bit "snow plow" right now. I tried to eye ball it
as I didn't have another to measure last night. Should be close.
Any help would be appreciated. I'm wanting to say that it is the fact that I
have a good deal of caster (should be around 2 degrees for this setup) and
that the wheels and tires could be totally messed up such as bent and large
flat spots.
Who is it that works at the alignment shop? I would like to bounce some
questions off of you too.
TIA to everyone. I'm close................
--
----------------------------
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http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
42776 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 7:09am
Subject: Re: Awards @ BBQ
Scott K, hands down! Well, until he got married.....;)
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "David R. W. Withers" <dr_ww@h...> wrote:
> How about:
> Most controversial member (most flamed)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Holmes [mailto:flamable_liquid@h...]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 7:18 PM
> To: Mike@A...; az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Awards @ BBQ
>
>
> I think that we should do awards at the BBQ it could be fun and
whatnot.
> Anyway these are mike's original ideas I think at this point we
should
> go with these or if somone else has a really good one add it.
Although
> we should make guidelines for these down here (Mike im looking at
you
> here since you thought them up)
> >Things like:
> >"Jeeper of the Year"
> >"Most Often Stuck" (or Broke)
> >"Worst Stuck" (or Broke)
> >"Most Notorious Trip" (awarded to the Trip Leader)
> >"Mechanic of the Year"
> >"Most likely to Flame OT Posts"
>
> -----> Another one I like is Best Rescue Rig - based on which rig
people
> would like to see comming down the trail when they break somthing
(Rig
> not
> Driver) qualifications being general mods and rescue equipment being
> carried on the Jeep. <----- Hope the driver knows how to fix things
>
> A process that I think is good is
> 1 make guidelines for the ones listed
> 2 make a nominations string with the award and who you want
nominated
> for it (this Might want to be done off list since there will more
than
> likely be a lot of them and so votes dont influence others) 3 we
take
> the top 5 or so nominees for each award and make a poll for who
should
> win. (we could possibly also make a page on the website explaining
each
> situation/nominee and why they should win so those people who dont
know
> the details could get an idea of what they are voting for)
>
> So with that being said is this a good idea bad idea or what cuz i
think
> this may be a good way to do this.
>
>
>
> ~Robert Holmes
>
>
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42777 From: ROBERT NYBERG <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 7:07am
Subject: RS9000's and Trailer
Still have the shocks and trailer for sale. See them at web site want
ads.
Bob
42778 From: <SKYDIVEMAT@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 2:17am
Subject: Re: April BBQ/Award show????
John,
I enjoyed last years BBQ a lot too. I know last BBQ I was one of the last few to leave and we had quite a bit of chips and dogs left over. I do have one idea for the next one to help avoid this.
I could put together a simple spread sheet to track what food items people will be bringing. As Jeepers are signing up for the BBQ they could send me and e-mail (maybe with "Food 4 BBQ" in the subject box) and I will track the information. I would also send out a few updates as the list grows to let the group know if we have 30 bags of chips and 1 dozen hamburgers.
Also, just as a heads-ups for the group, my e-mail will be changing. My new e-mail will be mmckeon5cox.net.
Matt Mckeon
95 ZJ
42779 From: imagineero <imagineero@x...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 7:10am
Subject: where is the flex?
I recently did a lift on my rig, 2 inches of shackle lift (heavy duty
shackles with crossbar support) plus 2 inches of spring lift. I changed
shocks at the same time to rancho's of suitable length. I've lost a lot of
the flex that I used to have and it's hurting me on the trail. Sway bar is
removed front and rear, same as it was before the lift. Pre-lift shackles
were horrible thin and wimpy, they twisted while steering and caused bad
handling. This is now cured, but my ride is a lot less flexy :-(
Friends have told me that this is common when lifting, they say it's
because of spring twist mostly. What is the answer? I've heard that
revolving (and rotating) shackles are pretty much the way to go, but at
around $400/set over here compared to $50/ set for the shackles I bought
it's hard to justify. I'm running the original rubber bushings, reason
being that I figure poly bushings would just exacerbate the problem. Are
there any easy(or easier) ways to get my flex back?
Thanks,
Shaun
South Korea
42780 From: Jayke Thorpe <jeepboy_3@y...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 7:28am
Subject: 2 Questions
First...How do you find people to go wheelin' with? I
have a '98 Grand Cherokee Laredo, v85.9l, 33', 4"lift,
and air lockers...no one else I know has anything, so
I usually hit the trail alone with my wife...
Second...when I hit around 50-60mph, the front end of
my jeep sometimes shakes pretty bad. A mechanic told
me it was my track bar...Does that sound right...he
was kind of shady.
Thanks All,
Jayke
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42781 From: Darren Richards <r50880@e...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 7:32am
Subject: Re: Death Wobble with Leaf Springs
Check the U-bolts, and make sure they're tight. I've had death wobble
on two different Jeeps that were both caused by loose U-bolts. (I've
found they tend to stretch a bit over time.) That may or may not be
your problem, but it's easy to check and fix.
Jay Eller wrote:
>
> OK!!!! I just finished my full width axle swap (D44 from Chevy half ton up
> front) and I have death wobble starting around 35 mph. I figure a LOT of you
> have coil springs and are VERY familiar with what it took to get rid of
> yours. I need some advice as to what might be causing it. Here is all of
> the information I can think to give:
>
> 1) Caster is around 6-7 degrees right now.
> 2) Spring over set up
> 3) Tires are 35X15.50 TSL/SX's that were taken from a truck that was in an
> accident. Bent wheel??????
> 4) All lug nuts are tight.
> 5) Ball joints are original from axle the first time. I did not change them
> out as they "seemed" ok.
> 6) High clearance steering
> 7) Toe setting may be a bit "snow plow" right now. I tried to eye ball it
> as I didn't have another to measure last night. Should be close.
>
> Any help would be appreciated. I'm wanting to say that it is the fact that I
> have a good deal of caster (should be around 2 degrees for this setup) and
> that the wheels and tires could be totally messed up such as bent and large
> flat spots.
>
> Who is it that works at the alignment shop? I would like to bounce some
> questions off of you too.
>
> TIA to everyone. I'm close................
> --
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller (http://www.goodnet.com/~eller)
> http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
>
>
>
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42782 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 7:58am
Subject: [FS] Trailer
Price:
Contact: mike@kingmanaz.net
Looking for a small trailer to use for camping. Will tow with my Wrangler. 4'X4' or 4'X5' bed. 15" tires.
Mike Hayes
42783 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 8:16am
Subject: RE: Re: Awards @ BBQ
Honorary mention (since I got married):
David W
:)
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepin_in_az [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:10 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Awards @ BBQ
Scott K, hands down! Well, until he got married.....;)
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "David R. W. Withers" <dr_ww@h...> wrote:
> How about:
> Most controversial member (most flamed)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Holmes [mailto:flamable_liquid@h...]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 7:18 PM
> To: Mike@A...; az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Awards @ BBQ
>
>
> I think that we should do awards at the BBQ it could be fun and
whatnot.
> Anyway these are mike's original ideas I think at this point we
should
> go with these or if somone else has a really good one add it.
Although
> we should make guidelines for these down here (Mike im looking at
you
> here since you thought them up)
> >Things like:
> >"Jeeper of the Year"
> >"Most Often Stuck" (or Broke)
> >"Worst Stuck" (or Broke)
> >"Most Notorious Trip" (awarded to the Trip Leader)
> >"Mechanic of the Year"
> >"Most likely to Flame OT Posts"
>
> -----> Another one I like is Best Rescue Rig - based on which rig
people
> would like to see comming down the trail when they break somthing
(Rig
> not
> Driver) qualifications being general mods and rescue equipment being
> carried on the Jeep. <----- Hope the driver knows how to fix things
>
> A process that I think is good is
> 1 make guidelines for the ones listed
> 2 make a nominations string with the award and who you want
nominated
> for it (this Might want to be done off list since there will more
than
> likely be a lot of them and so votes dont influence others) 3 we
take
> the top 5 or so nominees for each award and make a poll for who
should
> win. (we could possibly also make a page on the website explaining
each
> situation/nominee and why they should win so those people who dont
know
> the details could get an idea of what they are voting for)
>
> So with that being said is this a good idea bad idea or what cuz i
think
> this may be a good way to do this.
>
>
>
> ~Robert Holmes
>
>
> __________________________________________________ _______________
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42784 From: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2002 6:48am
Subject: powerline trip
I want to thank Nick for letting me ride along with him on the run. It's a great trail. Nick has my pics and is going to post them for y'all.
Clint