best idea for a xj

[staringxj]

for you xj people what would u say would be the best way to start out in a xj. thank you.

[Renob]

How about, sitting in the drivers seat?

[rockwerks]

depends on its use? explain to us what you will be using it for

[staringxj]

rock crawling mostly proabley in fj

[rockwerks]

check out NAXJA.org for all the XJ info you will ever need.

Things you need to determine is

1) budget

2) how extreme do you wish to take it

that will help answer most of your questions right there

[staringxj]

1. thx for the web site and around 20000



2. more than 2s and less than 5s if that helps

[jbjarko]

uh, 20k including the jeep?

That is a huge range of ratings.

[staringxj]

like wut

[jbjarko]

What do you mean? 20k dollars...is that including the purchase of the vehicle, or is that just modifications?

A 2, you wouldn't really need 4wd. If you're running a 4+, you need a significantly modified vehicle.

[staringxj]

explain how i should


armor it



lockers



lift


tires



and wut do i do with the uno body

[staringxj]

including jeep

[jbjarko]

To be honest, it is entirely dependent on your driving style, what trails you run, etc. I can't just tell you what to do, as it might not be suitable for you. The first thing I would do would be to put a spacer kit on it, and some 30" tires or something and just wheel and decide what you want to do with it. This forum will provide you with a lot of useful info; but the best thing to do is just get out there and wheel it; the mods will come as necessary.

[GLEN REAMS]

if you plan on wheeling it put in a roll cage first, the roof's on a xj suck

[Renob]

depends on its use?

rock crawling mostlyXJ's are for malls, not rocks. Find something with a frame, you will be better off starting from there.

[AZXJ]

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DesertFab cage tied to unibody stiffners
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C-Rok Rear bumper w/Clevis tabs
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All this can be had through DesertFab

Dave
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[rockwerks]

XJ's are for malls, not rocks. Find something with a frame, you will be better off starting from there.

you are a moron. :rolleyes:

[Renob]

you are a moron. :rolleyes:Just because you bought the wrong 4 wheel drive vehicle, don't blame me.

[1toughxj]

XJ's are for malls, not rocks. Find something with a frame, you will be better off starting from there.

My XJ seems to do just fine in the rocks. :confused:

[desertfabmotors]

Don't listen to closed mind's,

XJ's can be built into very capable rigs, just like any 4x4. Have fun with what you want and have. There is no wrong 4x4.;) :)

[GLEN REAMS]

My XJ seems to do just fine in the rocks. :confused:

yeah so does mine :D

[rockwerks]

Just because you bought the wrong 4 wheel drive vehicle, don't blame me.

you are not worth the typing effort :rolleyes:

[Washington_XJ]

XJ's are for malls, not rocks. Find something with a frame, you will be better off starting from there.

Blah blah blah
Just because our XJ's look like real trucks dont be mad

[Renob]

If you had the choice of building a rock crawler from a steel framed or stamped sheet metal/unibody vehicle, what would you choose..............Seriously?

[rockwerks]

This has been hashed over hundreds of times over the last 6 years and has been determined to be a moot point.......with frame stiffeners, and a few other tricks an xj will be on the trails for many many years. many choose an XJ

[1toughxj]

If you had the choice of building a rock crawler from a steel framed or stamped sheet metal/unibody vehicle, what would you choose..............Seriously?


Depends on what your definition of a "rock crawler" is?

[Cherokee-MP]

If you had the choice of building a rock crawler from a steel framed or stamped sheet metal/unibody vehicle, what would you choose..............Seriously?

Hey yeah i have to get in on this!:mad: Honestly i have looked at TJ's YJ's and CJ's... Driving the "grocery getter" IMO is better in the sence that were not like everyone else and thier moms in the typical Jeep, and its nice to hang with the typical TJ style Jeeps on trails and even do better sometimes because the XJ's wheelbase helps us in the sence that we dont sit in the holes all 500 of the TJ's just dug up trying to go up an obsticle...:rolleyes:

[Renob]

Ahhhh the flames!!!

XJs are fine but they do take allot more work and aftermarket parts to be what a vehicle with a frame is.

There are usually two flavors of off road vehicle. Those that are daily drivers that see light to mild wheeling and those that are trailered and built for off road only.

Most XJs that get built for serious crawling were obtained for allot less cash than almost anything else out there. I have nothing against any type of vehicle and will wheel anything I can.

My point was, if you are planning on modifying something to be a rock crawler, running 4.5+ trails, starting with a frame would be easier and more desirable.

[Cherokee-MP]

:) :D Thank you RenoBob i think that was alot better put... Yes XJ's need like 6 inches of lift to equal 3" on a tj lol... and yes i agree with you on all of that i was just busting your "bearings" i intend on building a YJ or TJ when i get stationed back in the states myself, but ill be keeping the XJ for sure :)

[vwkaferman]

XJ's are for malls, not rocks. Find something with a frame, you will be better off starting from there.

I'll pretend I didn't read that this early in the morning. Funny though.

James

[rockwerks]

Ahhhh the flames!!!

you started the flames, like usual, like 90% of all your posts



XJs are fine but they do take allot more work and after market parts to be what a vehicle with a frame is.

at stock height an xj and a TJ have the same BOA. (break over angle That is because the center plate on a TJ drops farther frame the frame than does an XJ. In stock from equally equipted XJ will out wheel a TJ everyday.





There are usually two flavors of off road vehicle. Those that are daily drivers that see light to mild wheeling and those that are trailered and built for off road only. I wheeled many trails with my last XJ From JV, CA axle alley, back in the day and anaconda Most times I went out we got scoffs from the trailer queen crowd. But Ive always been able to do the trail and drive it home afterwards.



Most XJs that get built for serious crawling were obtained for allot less cash than almost anything else out there. I have nothing against any type of vehicle and will wheel anything I can.

My point was, if you are planning on modifying something to be a rock crawler, running 4.5+ trails, starting with a frame would be easier and more desirable.

For you, I like to build dual sport rigs as it where. Its nice to be able to take my rig from the trail head air down, do a 4.5+ air up and drive it home. for many of us we believe if you need to trailer your junk to get to the trail head its no longer a real Jeep, but just a toy. .

I like the fact I can do 4.5 trails and drive home at 80 mph on the highway with the AC on and stereo cranked.

The thread was BEST IDEA FOR AN XJ.....not a Tj or YJ......So kinda leave

[Washington_XJ]

I'd like to add onto that XJNA, yesterday we were passed rudely by a TJ over rough rocks yelling "a bit faster please" (see other post) and I was thinking to myself "man I'll bet their chassis is taking a beating". When we got back to the trail head I saw the TJ again getting loaded up onto a truck. Made me laugh :rolleyes:

To those of you out there who don't understand or have the common sense to allow for enough room in order to pass and rather run us others off the road, just remember who has to drive their jeep home and who loads it up on a trailer.

[RufftyTuffty]

If you have $20k lying around...then buy a used buggy for crying out loud.

There...i just saved you the $20k because in 3-5 years that XJ is gonna be beat to piss if you want to ROCK CRAWL (4.5's..may some 5.0's but unlikely).

XJ/ZJ are good but the unibody will only take so much.

I dumped more than this into my ZJ but once i started running 4.5's it starts taking it's toll....i ended up parting it out and take the rest to the crusher.

So...if you really want to build an XJ do it...but you really have to think of what you WANT TO DO FIRST.

~Mike

[rockwerks]

Well for a 20,000 budget I would not start with any Jeep

Id start from scratch. Tj, YJ too short of wheelbase, XJ, ZJ too much body

Id start with tube

I will have a total of under 4000 for my xj trail ready

[AZXJ]

DesertFab Chassis would suite your needs if you just want a buggy!! :D

[8upXJ]

pm sent my XJ is for sale !!!!

[Renob]

You two guys crack me up.
you started the flames, like usual, like 90% of all your posts
at stock height an xj and a TJ have the same BOA. (break over angle That is because the center plate on a TJ drops farther frame the frame than does an XJ. In stock from equally equipted XJ will out wheel a TJ everyday.

I wheeled many trails with my last XJ From JV, CA axle alley, back in the day and anaconda Most times I went out we got scoffs from the trailer queen crowd. But Ive always been able to do the trail and drive it home afterwards.

For you, I like to build dual sport rigs as it where. Its nice to be able to take my rig from the trail head air down, do a 4.5+ air up and drive it home. for many of us we believe if you need to trailer your junk to get to the trail head its no longer a real Jeep, but just a toy. .

I like the fact I can do 4.5 trails and drive home at 80 mph on the highway with the AC on and stereo cranked.

The thread was BEST IDEA FOR AN XJ.....not a Tj or YJ......So kinda leave

I'd like to add onto that XJNA, yesterday we were passed rudely by a TJ over rough rocks yelling "a bit faster please" (see other post) and I was thinking to myself "man I'll bet their chassis is taking a beating". When we got back to the trail head I saw the TJ again getting loaded up onto a truck. Made me laugh :rolleyes:

To those of you out there who don't understand or have the common sense to allow for enough room in order to pass and rather run us others off the road, just remember who has to drive their jeep home and who loads it up on a trailer.

[RufftyTuffty]

pm sent my XJ is for sale !!!!

Only $5k for a built XJ???...oh my.

Here ya go...not saying this is the ONE...but gives ya an idea.

How much???........................................... ......................................$20k obo as it would happen.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=254954&stc=1&d=1153265822

[SHNIPE]

XJ's are for malls, not rocks. Find something with a frame, you will be better off starting from there.


X2 Why if you had a choice would you pick something without a frame and requiring so much more work to make it equal? Get a tj frame, buy a shaffers tube chassis and some decently strong axles

[GLEN REAMS]

honestly if i could go back in time i would not have picked a xj for my rig to build i twist it up so much and the unibody is so wacked out the doors dont like to oped or close with out alot of force and the back hatch is the same way, now if my xj wasnt my daily driver i would pull the doors and the back hatch and problem solved but it all depends on what your over all plan is.

[SHNIPE]

honestly if i could go back in time i would not have picked a xj for my rig to build i twist it up so much and the unibody is so wacked out the doors dont like to oped or close with out alot of force and the back hatch is the same way, now if my xj wasnt my daily driver i would pull the doors and the back hatch and problem solved but it all depends on what your over all plan is.

Like when we're trying to put a burned up motorcycle in the back to get it off the trails and your dumbass parks off camber so we cant open one door and cant shut the back hatch??

if youre set on an xj, buy one and use it for the easier trails. anything 4.0 or so is gonna need a lot of protection, big lift and more money to build than a beater tj with stout axles and disregard for sheetmetal

[GLEN REAMS]

but dont worry xjs can be built to wheel with the best of them but it sure does cost alot more

[PMFG!ItsaGP]

The thread was BEST IDEA FOR AN XJ.....not a Tj or YJ......So kinda leave
Pull your undies out dude. Its a public forum and Renob is voicing his opinion, if you dont like it you should have stood by your previous response and left it at that.
you are not worth the typing effort :rolleyes:

[rockwerks]

Pull your undies out dude. Its a public forum and Renob is voicing his opinion, if you dont like it you should have stood by your previous response and left it at that.

Renob ragged on others for exactly what he did here. taking the post off topic, I guess its different if he does it?

The guy asked what is the best way to do an XJ,

He did not ask about a ZJ or TJ or YJ or CJ, but an XJ.........or am I wrong?

[SHNIPE]

the fact he didnt already purchase a vehicle was the basis for the argument. Some of us feel that might be a mistake. Im sure he will still go with HIS choice but for us to not voice our opinions and him later decide ti was a bad choice is not how this site works. We're here to help other wheelers based on our own opinions and experiences. I dont see the harm in giving him our opinion. He has free will and can choose to not listen to our advice should he feel it was ill advised.

[rockwerks]

for you xj people what would u say would be the best way to start out in a xj. thank you.


MY bad SHNIPE I guess I misread what the line in this thread says. You are 100% correct he is asking for opinions about TJ's Hell I must have misread it.:rolleyes: thanks for the correction:D ;)

[Washington_XJ]

I wonder what happend to the topic starter. :rolleyes:

[rockwerks]

I wonder what happend to the topic starter. :rolleyes:

LOL Hey its all good, the important thing is that we build what we want and get out as often as possible. I'm itchin to hit the trails again.....even if is gonna be in a lowly, XJ:D

[SHNIPE]

MY bad SHNIPE I guess I misread what the line in this thread says. You are 100% correct he is asking for opinions about TJ's Hell I must have misread it.:rolleyes: thanks for the correction:D ;)

lol brian touche! but still had to be said :D

[LOWTECH]

Yawnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fatbob309]

LOL Hey its all good, the important thing is that we build what we want and get out as often as possible. I'm itchin to hit the trails again.....even if is gonna be in a lowly, XJ:D

Have fun at the mall...

[rockwerks]

Have fun at the mall...

Im sure you can give me directions.......;)

[8upXJ]

Only $5k for a built XJ???...oh my.

Here ya go...not saying this is the ONE...but gives ya an idea.

How much???........................................... ......................................$20k obo as it would happen.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=254954&stc=1&d=1153265822

Was that a hint of sarcasm ?

[RufftyTuffty]

:D

~Mike

[cw50must]

Mine does great at the Mall.

[rockwerks]

Mine does great at the Mall.

its the drive out of my driveway to go to the mall thats important

http://www.fototime.com/%7BC6F3B40D-DCB0-483C-A1DC-3298F50C6593%7D/picture.JPG

[staringxj]

thank u guys i an watin for my dana 60 arbs and 35s to come and other stuff see i about 5 months