Teacher for wheeling 101 [Archive]

mookee54

12-23-2006, 07:46 PM

I work at the Goodyear Fire Dept. and would like to know if there's anyone out there who can teach, or recommend someone to teach, a class on 4 wheeling basics. I'd really like to have an experienced instructor.

We have a couple of Brush trucks (very heavy 4-bys, one with rear duallys) and several drivers so instruction could include basic how to stay un-stuck, off-camber driving, up/down hill driving, proper winching/recovery methods, and probably lots of what not-to-do. I would guess this to be about a 4 hour class (maybe 6? 8??).

Any help would be appreciated! thanks

Wind_Danzer

12-23-2006, 09:50 PM

Talk to Mike (mingnolia). He was bragging today about an H2 class for 10 or more hours in FJ once he ran. :p ;)

ob1jeeper

12-23-2006, 10:27 PM

PM'd you...:)

twstdtj

12-24-2006, 05:52 PM

I can also help.
Taught in the AF for combat readiness as well as the bigger stuff (5 tons etc)

Jeff

mingoglia

12-24-2006, 06:31 PM

Talk to Mike (mingnolia). He was bragging today about an H2 class for 10 or more hours in FJ once he ran. :p ;)

Actually I didn't conduct it, I was one of 7 or 8 participants. :D Besides, I learned most everything I know from Jamie; and now that she has **censored** I'm expecting to be schooled all over again.

Mike

strider

12-25-2006, 10:28 AM

Talk to Nina at Farabe's in Sadona. That's what they do. If they cant she could prolly tell ya who to call.

SavageSun4x4

12-25-2006, 11:01 AM

I work at the Goodyear Fire Dept. and would like to know if there's anyone out there who can teach, or recommend someone to teach, a class on 4 wheeling basics. I'd really like to have an experienced instructor.

We have a couple of Brush trucks (very heavy 4-bys, one with rear duallys) and several drivers so instruction could include basic how to stay un-stuck, off-camber driving, up/down hill driving, proper winching/recovery methods, and probably lots of what not-to-do. I would guess this to be about a 4 hour class (maybe 6? 8??).

Any help would be appreciated! thanks

I suspect that there are some USAR/NG trucking outfits stationed around here. I would contact them and ask if they know of someone and I am sure they do.

Start with the NG over by Papago [sp]. The state NG is most likely HQ in the Phoenix area call them and ask to speak to the Division G3 Operations Officer. He should hook you up with the Transportation officer. Sounds like you are interested in off road extraction and driving for wheeled vehicles up to about 2 1/2 T truckage which would cover you FD vehicles I think.

There are also some sharp guys on here that have recent experience in doing some teaching on this. Mike [Mingolia] I think is one and can help you find some solutions.

tomfooshee

12-25-2006, 06:21 PM

Someone who has had a military tactical vehicle driving course. Check with Luke AFB. Being you're local government they would more than likely let you in on their course. start with the base commanders office. Also the Navy Marine Corps reserve center on 35th ave. may be able to help.

mookee54

12-25-2006, 09:51 PM

Thanks for all the suggestions. I really appreciate the feedback from all of you. Have a merry, happy...
Thanks again!

Sedona Jeep School

12-26-2006, 06:28 AM

I am expensive...:D Actually, I am out of commission until spring, and our classes are geared for private recreational and commercial guide usage, rather than military (there is a big difference in terms of safety). It sounds like your groups falls somewhere in the middle? PM me if you want to discuss it further, or email me through my website.

DsrtJeeper

12-26-2006, 09:14 AM

Please be cautious of who you deal with here. There's rumor of a pricey Jeep 101 class coming up and led by a known land abuser. Definitely do your homework and learn from those who practice what they preach. ;) The club usually throws one of these classes for free each year. Good luck.

Huck

12-26-2006, 11:51 AM

Please be cautious of who you deal with here. There's rumor of a pricey Jeep 101 class coming up and led by a known land abuser. Definitely do your homework and learn from those who practice what they preach. ;) The club usually throws one of these classes for free each year. Good luck.

Yeah, he's advertising the class heavily in this week's New Times. There is at least 3 references/ads to the class in the issue.:D

I've participated in the Jeep 101 class before,as a teacher. I actually taught w/ Master Daro and others in the White Tanks about two years ago. Joe and I taught the rock crawling and backing down a steep hill classes for our group...... The event was separated into trail preparedness/what to carry with you while trail running, airing down and its benefits, hill climb/backing down a steep hill, rock crawling 101-for newer individuals and fairly stock rigs. For quite a few it was the first time their xfer cases ever scraped anything. The class was divided into groups and stations. The groups rotated with their instructors through each station and then we played in the washes afterwards. TxT was there tesing winches on the big sandhill, that day. It was free, but you get what you pay for;)

Wind_Danzer

12-26-2006, 12:55 PM

Who's throwing this class??? Is it the same person from the CD incident?

Huck

12-26-2006, 01:22 PM

Jamie,
I assume that you are referencing my post where I mentioned the New Times' ads. I can tell you that the TJ pictured in the ad is one of Troy's and it certainly appears like his mug, in the picture. Newsprint can be deceiving, though. Look at a New Times and you can be the judge.
Here's a link to the advertised camp: www.4x4bootcamp.com

I really don't know the connection regarding the CD incident. I ran CD with some others, this Saturday. Barry ran it on Sunday and the trail looks good, now. I saw some posts regarding rock stacking, but was not around to witness any events. No webwheeling for me, just passing along the information I read in this week's New Times. I saw the ads and thought it was interesting.

Wind_Danzer

12-26-2006, 01:25 PM

Huck,

It was just a general question but thanks for the reply. I don't have access to the Times, I'm in Oklahoma City today but I'll check out the link you posted.

EDIT: Interesting site. We had similar stuff like this out in Paragon, not as costly but classes in general. I'm kinda confused as to why a long arm lift for the "major" class they are throwing though on Predator. Plus it's listed as a 4.5 out of 5 (I'm assuming). Is that major obstacle in the beginning of it what makes it rate at 4.5, the one to the right that I haven't mastered yet (but have tried) or is there another one I'm missing?

Personally I would think Ruler would make a better 4.5 trail but that's JMO. :)

I wish there were dates on the site so that they can let people know when they plan to be there so that people who may be wheeling on their own can avoid confrontation. Considering it is an open, free for all trails there trying to keep people off for a class could be problematic.

Huck

12-26-2006, 01:28 PM

No worries:D
After reading up on the camp, it seems that the two instructors are Troy V and Stu O. FWIW

Wind_Danzer

12-26-2006, 01:39 PM

No worries:D
After reading up on the camp, it seems that the two instructors are Troy V and Stu O. FWIW

Read my edit on my thoughts. :)

ThumpAZ

12-26-2006, 01:39 PM

:eek: is all I can say.

For info on experienced and capable instructors here in the Valley, you can contact the ASA4WDC through the website www.asa4wdc.org. That is one of the services provided by the Assn. They offered it every year at Jamboree... but rarely had anyone sign up or attend :shaking:

SavageSun4x4

12-26-2006, 02:37 PM

Jamie,

Here's a link to the advertised camp: www.4x4bootcamp.com

I did notice that in order to be a "Major" level wheeler you MUST have a long arm set up. Well, guess that lets me out:eek:

SHNIPE

12-26-2006, 09:14 PM

I did notice that in order to be a "Major" level wheeler you MUST have a long arm set up. Well, guess that lets me out:eek:

You better run out and buy a TBT long arm so you can be a MAJOR LEVEL WHEELER :D how convenient :D Wheres the section on Exxon Valdez Wheeling and Major Obstacle Removal :D

Wind_Danzer

12-26-2006, 09:51 PM

Now wait a minute. What if you have a SOA YJ (or CJ) with 33's, lockers and such. Will you not be allowed to run the "Major" group? That doesn't make much sence. Sounds as if this is only for TJ's or coiled Jeeps.

SavageSun4x4

12-27-2006, 08:20 AM

Now wait a minute. What if you have a SOA YJ (or CJ) with 33's, lockers and such. Will you not be allowed to run the "Major" group? That doesn't make much sence. Sounds as if this is only for TJ's or coiled Jeeps.
Seems that way, but the GOOD news is that TbT will sell and install one for you, the Alumi-FLex.

mookee54

12-28-2006, 06:32 PM

Hmmm, interesting stuff...

Jeeppeepin

12-30-2006, 05:50 PM

OMG! You've got to be kidding me??
I'm gonna barf now.

Wind_Danzer

12-30-2006, 06:08 PM

Well I lead a group through Terminator... and we all did pretty well on how to use a hi-lift and how to wheel the "moderate/extreme" stuff.

Hope you enjoied my lesson. Please send my $200 to "WTF were y'all thinking letting Danzer lead"

c/o Jamie McClay.

:D :D :D

Jeeppeepin

12-31-2006, 08:40 AM

I think the best way to learn is to go out there and put in some seat time.
I sure wouldn't want to learn to drive like someone else, esp if they only build up roads with rocks to get through a tough spot, then leave an oil slick behind to grace Mother Nature.
Just wheel with some good folks and have fun. You'll spend enough money in gas and repairs/upgrades as you go. No need to pay someone for that.

YJunk

12-31-2006, 12:23 PM

Now wait a minute. What if you have a SOA YJ (or CJ) with 33's, lockers and such. Will you not be allowed to run the "Major" group? That doesn't make much sence. Sounds as if this is only for TJ's or coiled Jeeps.

Yikes... my junk is still sprung under... guess I won't be wheelin with them fancy rigs anytime soon!!