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38428 From: Brian Harmon <xjnation@h...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 3:57pm
Subject: Hey can someone email me my member name aand password
I deleted the cookie which has held this info for a long time.....can some
one get me this info so I can sign on to the web site?
Brian Harmon
88 XJ Laredo
http://www.cherokee-nation.com
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38429 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 4:19pm
Subject: give away
I have a pair of factory TJ steps that are taking up room in my garage.
Will trade them for a six pack of Pepsi, first come, first served.. You
need to pick them up (near 67th Ave. & Camelback). If they aren't gone in a
couple of days, they go to the trash.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
38430 From: David Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 4:52pm
Subject: Final Expo Ticket list please call if i missed you
I'm going to stop taking requests Saturday 12-29. That way I can pick them up Sunday. They are going to let me give them a check so that way I can collect the money without the wife getting more pissed. So I will need the money(cash or Check) and give you your tickets on or b4 Thursday the 1-3-02. I will be at the in-laws @ 47th Ave and Glendale New Years Eve and Day and if needed may meet at a bar on the west side sometime next week too. you can also come by work or home. Call me if you need anything else, numbers are below. >
> Work:
> 15300 N. 90th ST
> Suite 100
> Scottsdale, AZ 85301
> 'Frank Lloyd Wright & 101'
> Home:
> 4408 E. Tanglewood
> (Pecos North Gated community, Gate Code: #1397)
> Phoenix, AZ 85048
> '44th & Chandler'
> In-Laws:
> 4608 W. Midway
> Glendale, AZ 85301
> '47th Ave & Glendale'
>
Mike Chatfield 2
Scott maiden 2
> KC (Kurt) 3
> Daren 3
> Jim Florence 1
> Rick Norman 2
> Larry Davidson 7
> John R. 1
> Rob Brooks 3
> Rob Williams 3
> Mike Beach 2
> Chris Benner 2
> Gary Holmes 2
> Scott Thomas 4
> Crusher 8
> Mike Baney 2
> Lisa & Barry Bunch 2
> Mike and Karen Acuna 5
> Les 3
> Me 1
> TOTAL = 58
> David R. W. Withers
> Desk: 480.551.4667
> Mobile: 480.215.6992
>
> P.S. I'll update the list a few times a day.
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38431 From: Fred <fredtj@h...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 5:16pm
Subject: D30 and D44 axle weights
Anyone have any idea regarding the weight of the D30 and D44 (TJ) without
the wheels and tires;)
Thanks,
Fred
38432 From: Fred <fredtj@h...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 5:33pm
Subject: TJ weight
Anyone ever weigh their TJ or wonder what it is. Well, I did, as I'm
considering custom springs and I also need the front half and rear half
weight. The local truck stop has a split bed scale.
Ok, '98 TJ Sahara, soft top, 4.0L 6 cyl, 5 speed, A/C, custom bumpers front
and rear, no rear seat, Tuffy Security Box in rear, full armour (rocker
guards, f&R diff guards, engine skid), 4 35x12.50 SSR's on 15x8 AR767 + a
"thin" spare (Q78 15), rear mounted, tight to tailgate. Full tank of gas,
full off road load (tools, CO2 tank, etc), with me (175lbs) in vehicle,
within 20lbs. If you look at your Jeep, you'll notice that the rear axle
carries all the weight of anyone in the vehicle. The front seats are behind
the mid point of the wheel base.
Front axle half: 2040 lbs
Rear axle half: 2460 lbs
Total weight: 4500 lbs !!
Pretty darn heavy !!! Also, as I've always said, these TJ's are really rear
biased, weight wise. Here's an excellent example of why I don't like huge
spares, hanging wayyyyy off the rear of the vehicle (like with the
Bulletproof bumpers) and rear mounted gas cans ;)
:)
Fred
38433 From: <sanfordtm@a...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 0:37pm
Subject: Re: TJ weight
Fred,
Yes, Jeeps are heavier than what people realize. I had a friend buy a 83 with a 6. I have a 93 with a 4. We weighed them on the scale on the Air Base, best I can recall we were both near the 4000 mark with his 83 being just a bit heavier.
Tim
38434 From: Joe Kearney <jkearney3893@e...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 5:48pm
Subject: SUV Pull Pictures
Linda,
Thanks for all you did with this project.
I had fun.
Here are the pictures I took during the day.
It would be nice if we could get a write up in one of the papers about
us doing this.
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/joekphxcj7/lst?.dir=/
GOD BLESS AMERICA
Joe Kearney
Have a good day
-----Original Message-----
From: linda luik [mailto:minihummer@w...]
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 2:29 PM
To: Beckham, Michael
Cc: 'Halverson'; Len Sullivan; Nixon, Scott; DougB; Gary Holmes; Robert
Holmes; Bab****, Charles H; az_vjc; graham, steve
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: SUV Pull is ON for Dec 29!!!!
Here are directions from central Phoenix
* Take the 202 to Country Club in Mesa.
* Go left (north) on the Beeline (SR87?) to the Saquaro Lake turn-off.
It'a about 20 miles out going this way. You Pass Fountain Hills and
cross the Verde River.
* Go right (south) on Bush Hwy (The Saquaro Lake turn-off)
* Go left (east) at the Butcher Jones Recreation Area sign. There is a
fee station, but since we aren't using the facilities, don't bother to
pay unless you plan on staying there a while. The green gate is in the
back by the Great Western Trail Sign.
From Chandler or Gilbert or Mesa
* Go east to Power Rd on any major east-west street.
* Go norht on Power Rd. You'll go over the Salt River and by the Saquaro
Lake Ranch and Marina entrance before getting to the Butcher Jones
Recreation Area.
* Turn right at Butcher Jones and the green gate is in the back of the
parking lot.
Linda
"Beckham, Michael" wrote:
>
> I have had a change in sched, and would like to be there and meet
everyone
> too! Where is Butcher Jones?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Halverson [mailto:byrnec@q...]
> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 8:29 PM
> To: minihummer@w...; Len Sullivan; Nixon, Scott; DougB;
Gary
> Holmes; Robert Holmes; Bab****, Charles H; az_vjc; graham, steve
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: SUV Pull is ON for Dec 29!!!!
>
> Hi Linda --How do I get to Butcher Jones from central Phoenix?
> John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "linda luik" <minihummer@w...>
> To: "Len Sullivan" <kermit@e...>; "Halverson"
<byrnec@q...>;
> "Nixon, Scott" <scnix1@h...>; "DougB" <azjeep@h...>; "Gary
Holmes"
> <Niitoyis@w...>; "Robert Holmes"
<flamable_liquid@h...>;
> "Bab****, Charles H" <charles.h.bab****@i...>; "az_vjc"
> <az_vjc@egroups.com>; "graham, steve" <stevegraham@w...>
> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 5:16 PM
> Subject: SUV Pull is ON for Dec 29!!!!
>
> > Just want to let y'all know. Steve and I took a trip out there this
> > morning and the burned up SUV is still in the 2nd Cove. We hi-lifted
the
> > rear to see if the axle would turn. We could not get it to pudge so
I
> > doubt that putting tires on it will do much good. The roof is caved
in.
> >
> > Steve thinks that most of the hauling will need to be done with
chain.
> > The engine hood needs to be cut off. The body needs to be flipped on
its
> > roof.
> >
> > We selected what we think is the easiest route. Two uphills, two
> > downhills. All are relativley easy slopes (lot of moguls of course
.. we
> > can't make it too easy) and there's a lot of soft sand trail to drag
the
> > SUV through.
> >
> > The 2nd cove is in pretty bad shape. We didn't go to the first cove,
but
> > it is probably even more trashed. The area inside the green gate is
> > really bad.
> >
> > Hope to see you out there!
> >
> > December 29. Meet by the green gate at Butcher Jones Rec Area at
8:30am.
> > Get on the trail by 9:00am. Hopefully get the SUV out before
sundown.
> > The second cove is a long way from the green gate!
> >
> > PS. If you want to try tires, the SUV is a mid-80s Pathfinder,
6-bolt
> > wheels and will most likely require metric lug nuts.
> >
> > Linda
> >
> > linda luik wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, so far it looks like we have a pretty good turnout. I will
post
> > > this as trail ride for Saturday, Dec 29, if that's okay with
everyone. I
> > > will contact the FS with the date. Meet at Butcher Jones at
9:00-9:30am
> > > and go from there. I hope it doesn't rain!
> > >
> > > Sign ups so far are:
> > >
> > > LenS
> > > JohnH
> > > DougB
> > > GaryH
> > > RobertH
> > > CharlesB
> > > SteveG
> > > ScottN
> > >
> > > LindaL
> >
>
>
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38435 From: JoeKPhx <JoeKPhx@h...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 5:49pm
Subject: SUV Pull Pictures
Linda,
Thanks for all you did with this project.
I had fun.
Here are the pictures I took during the day.
It would be nice if we could get a write up in one of the papers about us doing this.
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/joekphxcj7/lst?.dir=/
GOD BLESS AMERICA
Joe Kearney
Have a good day
38436 From: Fred <fredtj@h...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 5:58pm
Subject: Re: TJ weight
Oh, I've known that they are heavy, and thought that mine was close to what it weighed in to. I just posted this as some will find it interesting. Mant people constantly refer to Jeeps as "light" vehicles. They're anything but, especially when loaded. They are also so rear weight biased, it's no wonder they sit up on their tailgates like Tonka Trucks ;)
Cheers,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: sanfordtm@aol.com
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] TJ weight
Fred,
Yes, Jeeps are heavier than what people realize. I had a friend buy a 83 with a 6. I have a 93 with a 4. We weighed them on the scale on the Air Base, best I can recall we were both near the 4000 mark with his 83 being just a bit heavier.
Tim
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38437 From: brian56b <brian56b@y...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 6:35pm
Subject: Looking for a Jeep
Hi All,
I lost the deal on my '98 XJ yesterday after three weeks of driving
it. Lousy dealership! Now looking for a different Jeep. I haven't got
a clue as to who might be honest enough to do business with and I'm
looking for suggestions and or referrals. Needless to say I'm a
little gun shy regarding dealerships right now but I'm willing to do
business with the right person.
My ideal jeep to start would be a stock 1997 Sport or Sahara w/hard
top.
Thanks,
Brian
K7BAL
38438 From: Fred <fredtj@h...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 6:54pm
Subject: Re: Looking for a Jeep
"lost the deal in my '98 XJ yesterday after three weeks of driving it" ?????
Explain please.
:)
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "brian56b" <brian56b@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 7:35 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Looking for a Jeep
> Hi All,
>
> I lost the deal on my '98 XJ yesterday after three weeks of driving
> it. Lousy dealership! Now looking for a different Jeep. I haven't got
> a clue as to who might be honest enough to do business with and I'm
> looking for suggestions and or referrals. Needless to say I'm a
> little gun shy regarding dealerships right now but I'm willing to do
> business with the right person.
>
> My ideal jeep to start would be a stock 1997 Sport or Sahara w/hard
> top.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian
> K7BAL
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
38439 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 7:02pm
Subject: Re: TJ weight
Sounds like you have an wxcuse to throw a winch up front. ;-)
-Roger
Fred wrote:
>
> Anyone ever weigh their TJ or wonder what it is. Well, I did, as I'm
> considering custom springs and I also need the front half and rear half
> weight. The local truck stop has a split bed scale.
> Ok, '98 TJ Sahara, soft top, 4.0L 6 cyl, 5 speed, A/C, custom bumpers front
> and rear, no rear seat, Tuffy Security Box in rear, full armour (rocker
> guards, f&R diff guards, engine skid), 4 35x12.50 SSR's on 15x8 AR767 + a
> "thin" spare (Q78 15), rear mounted, tight to tailgate. Full tank of gas,
> full off road load (tools, CO2 tank, etc), with me (175lbs) in vehicle,
> within 20lbs. If you look at your Jeep, you'll notice that the rear axle
> carries all the weight of anyone in the vehicle. The front seats are behind
> the mid point of the wheel base.
>
> Front axle half: 2040 lbs
> Rear axle half: 2460 lbs
> Total weight: 4500 lbs !!
>
> Pretty darn heavy !!! Also, as I've always said, these TJ's are really rear
> biased, weight wise. Here's an excellent example of why I don't like huge
> spares, hanging wayyyyy off the rear of the vehicle (like with the
> Bulletproof bumpers) and rear mounted gas cans ;)
>
> :)
> Fred
38440 From: Fred <fredtj@h...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 7:08pm
Subject: Re: TJ weight
Yup, winch is coming very shortly, possibly next week, along with moving the
hi-lift to the front. The ideal thing also would be to get the spare inside
the rear. That won't change the weight or the rear bias, but it would bring
a little more of the weight in closer to the center.
:)
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] TJ weight
> Sounds like you have an wxcuse to throw a winch up front. ;-)
>
> -Roger
>
> Fred wrote:
> >
> > Anyone ever weigh their TJ or wonder what it is. Well, I did, as I'm
> > considering custom springs and I also need the front half and rear half
> > weight. The local truck stop has a split bed scale.
> > Ok, '98 TJ Sahara, soft top, 4.0L 6 cyl, 5 speed, A/C, custom bumpers
front
> > and rear, no rear seat, Tuffy Security Box in rear, full armour (rocker
> > guards, f&R diff guards, engine skid), 4 35x12.50 SSR's on 15x8 AR767 +
a
> > "thin" spare (Q78 15), rear mounted, tight to tailgate. Full tank of
gas,
> > full off road load (tools, CO2 tank, etc), with me (175lbs) in vehicle,
> > within 20lbs. If you look at your Jeep, you'll notice that the rear axle
> > carries all the weight of anyone in the vehicle. The front seats are
behind
> > the mid point of the wheel base.
> >
> > Front axle half: 2040 lbs
> > Rear axle half: 2460 lbs
> > Total weight: 4500 lbs !!
> >
> > Pretty darn heavy !!! Also, as I've always said, these TJ's are really
rear
> > biased, weight wise. Here's an excellent example of why I don't like
huge
> > spares, hanging wayyyyy off the rear of the vehicle (like with the
> > Bulletproof bumpers) and rear mounted gas cans ;)
> >
> > :)
> > Fred
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
38441 From: highjeeps <highupjeep@q...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 7:17pm
Subject: Re: Nice trail write-up
What a difference! His is really hurting for some flex, isn't it.
Larry
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Steve Meyer" <steve.j.meyer@h...> wrote:
> Hmmm.. I have a similar shot to the one with him in the squeeze.
But I didn't fall in like he did. Maybe it was the flex difference?
SUA vs. SOA. --Steve
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "highjeeps" <highupjeep@q...>
> To: <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 8:30 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Nice trail write-up
>
>
> > Hey, I remember that. I was on that very same run during the
ASA4WDC
> > Jamboree. That YJ was major stuck in that wedge. He sure does a
good
> > job of writing a trip report.
> > Larry
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "wisardd1" <Wisard1@e...> wrote:
> > > Oh by the way, this is the main webpage
> > > WWW.Gdi-Jeepheads.Com
> > >
38442 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 7:31pm
Subject: Re: TJ weight
If you figure it out, it's 55% rear & 45% front. That's not too far
off center. It is managable.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Fred" <fredtj@h...> wrote:
> Anyone ever weigh their TJ or wonder what it is. Well, I did, as I'm
> considering custom springs and I also need the front half and rear
half
> weight. The local truck stop has a split bed scale.
> Ok, '98 TJ Sahara, soft top, 4.0L 6 cyl, 5 speed, A/C, custom
bumpers front
> and rear, no rear seat, Tuffy Security Box in rear, full armour
(rocker
> guards, f&R diff guards, engine skid), 4 35x12.50 SSR's on 15x8
AR767 + a
> "thin" spare (Q78 15), rear mounted, tight to tailgate. Full tank
of gas,
> full off road load (tools, CO2 tank, etc), with me (175lbs) in
vehicle,
> within 20lbs. If you look at your Jeep, you'll notice that the rear
axle
> carries all the weight of anyone in the vehicle. The front seats
are behind
> the mid point of the wheel base.
>
> Front axle half: 2040 lbs
> Rear axle half: 2460 lbs
> Total weight: 4500 lbs !!
>
> Pretty darn heavy !!! Also, as I've always said, these TJ's are
really rear
> biased, weight wise. Here's an excellent example of why I don't
like huge
> spares, hanging wayyyyy off the rear of the vehicle (like with the
> Bulletproof bumpers) and rear mounted gas cans ;)
>
> :)
> Fred
38443 From: highjeeps <highupjeep@q...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 7:45pm
Subject: Re: give away
I've got a couple of those. too. One is in good condition and the
other one's bent up. I can't seem to throw anything out, though.
Good luck.
Larry
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> I have a pair of factory TJ steps that are taking up room in my
garage.
>
> Will trade them for a six pack of Pepsi, first come, first
served.. You
> need to pick them up (near 67th Ave. & Camelback). If they aren't
gone in a
> couple of days, they go to the trash.
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
38444 From: <sanfordtm@a...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 3:02pm
Subject: Re: Looking for a Jeep
Looking for a deal.
All Models in Tucson on 22nd Street gave me a good and honest deal. After a month the timing chain was making some noise. They replaced it free of charge.
Tim
38445 From: Brian Hill <brian@a...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 8:08pm
Subject: RE: Looking for a Jeep
I agreed to purchase the Jeep from the dealer at a rate of 7 percent
interest and signed the contract. After three weeks I noticed that my down
payment still hadn't cleared the bank. I called to ask why not and they said
because the interest rate would be a little higher than I agreed to.
Actually it doubled from 7 to 14 percent. This seems unscrupulous to me but
that's the way it goes I guess.
If anyone knows of a reputable and fair individual or dealership please let
me know.
Thanks,
Brian
K7BAL
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred [mailto:fredtj@h...]
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 7:54 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Looking for a Jeep
"lost the deal in my '98 XJ yesterday after three weeks of driving it" ?????
Explain please.
:)
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "brian56b" <brian56b@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 7:35 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Looking for a Jeep
> Hi All,
>
> I lost the deal on my '98 XJ yesterday after three weeks of driving
> it. Lousy dealership! Now looking for a different Jeep. I haven't got
> a clue as to who might be honest enough to do business with and I'm
> looking for suggestions and or referrals. Needless to say I'm a
> little gun shy regarding dealerships right now but I'm willing to do
> business with the right person.
>
> My ideal jeep to start would be a stock 1997 Sport or Sahara w/hard
> top.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian
> K7BAL
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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38446 From: Brian Hill <brian@a...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 8:09pm
Subject: RE: Looking for a Jeep
Thanks Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: sanfordtm@aol.com [mailto:sanfordtm@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 9:02 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Looking for a Jeep
Looking for a deal.
All Models in Tucson on 22nd Street gave me a good and honest deal. After a month the timing chain was making some noise. They replaced it free of charge.
Tim
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38447 From: <sanfordtm@a...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 3:09pm
Subject: Re: Looking for a Jeep
Your more than welcome. I haven't been by there since 9/11 but I am sure they have had some problems. I guess I should stop by. They are from Iran. They were as honest as they could be with me and stood by the jeep they sold me, even when they did not have to be.
Tim
38448 From: Kim Monson <MOMSBUMBLEBEE@h...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 8:28pm
Subject: Re: Looking for a Jeep
Hi Brian,
Sorry to hear about your Jeep. That really sucks. We know all about
dealerships. Been dealing with them alot lately. I have a 2000 TJ that I'm
thinking about selling. It's the sport. 4.0L, stock. 34K miles. Asking
$18500 for it. It's yellow. Not really been off road much. Only trails.
Easy stuff. Soft top, hard doors.
Let me know if your interested.
Kim
>From: "brian56b" <brian56b@y...>
>Reply-To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Looking for a Jeep
>Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 02:35:20 -0000
>
>Hi All,
>
>I lost the deal on my '98 XJ yesterday after three weeks of driving
>it. Lousy dealership! Now looking for a different Jeep. I haven't got
>a clue as to who might be honest enough to do business with and I'm
>looking for suggestions and or referrals. Needless to say I'm a
>little gun shy regarding dealerships right now but I'm willing to do
>business with the right person.
>
>My ideal jeep to start would be a stock 1997 Sport or Sahara w/hard
>top.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Brian
>K7BAL
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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38449 From: <sanfordtm@a...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 3:56pm
Subject: Re: Looking for a Jeep
Brian,
Try All Models on 22nd in Tucson. They gave me a fair deal. They were honest with me and they normally have several jeeps to choose from. I told them how much I had to put down, they put it to the bank and then they told me how much the interest would be. Like I said honest people. The bank has to look at the credit you know. Normally the dealer won't know until whoever they finance through tells them. Try them out, they were true to me.
Tim
38450 From: hiett710 <hiett710@y...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 8:58pm
Subject: Re: SUV Pull Pictures
Where are the pics?
It's telling me that the album is empty.
Mike
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe Kearney" <jkearney3893@e...> wrote:
> Linda,
>
> Thanks for all you did with this project.
>
> I had fun.
>
> Here are the pictures I took during the day.
> It would be nice if we could get a write up in one of the papers
about
> us doing this.
>
> http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/joekphxcj7/lst?.dir=/
>
>
>
> GOD BLESS AMERICA
> Joe Kearney
> Have a good day
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: linda luik [mailto:minihummer@w...]
> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 2:29 PM
> To: Beckham, Michael
> Cc: 'Halverson'; Len Sullivan; Nixon, Scott; DougB; Gary Holmes;
Robert
> Holmes; Bab****, Charles H; az_vjc; graham, steve
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: SUV Pull is ON for Dec 29!!!!
>
>
> Here are directions from central Phoenix
>
> * Take the 202 to Country Club in Mesa.
>
> * Go left (north) on the Beeline (SR87?) to the Saquaro Lake turn-
off.
> It'a about 20 miles out going this way. You Pass Fountain Hills and
> cross the Verde River.
>
> * Go right (south) on Bush Hwy (The Saquaro Lake turn-off)
>
> * Go left (east) at the Butcher Jones Recreation Area sign. There
is a
> fee station, but since we aren't using the facilities, don't bother
to
> pay unless you plan on staying there a while. The green gate is in
the
> back by the Great Western Trail Sign.
>
> From Chandler or Gilbert or Mesa
>
> * Go east to Power Rd on any major east-west street.
> * Go norht on Power Rd. You'll go over the Salt River and by the
Saquaro
> Lake Ranch and Marina entrance before getting to the Butcher Jones
> Recreation Area.
> * Turn right at Butcher Jones and the green gate is in the back of
the
> parking lot.
>
>
> Linda
>
> "Beckham, Michael" wrote:
> >
> > I have had a change in sched, and would like to be there and meet
> everyone
> > too! Where is Butcher Jones?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Halverson [mailto:byrnec@q...]
> > Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 8:29 PM
> > To: minihummer@w...; Len Sullivan; Nixon, Scott; DougB;
> Gary
> > Holmes; Robert Holmes; Bab****, Charles H; az_vjc; graham, steve
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: SUV Pull is ON for Dec 29!!!!
> >
> > Hi Linda --How do I get to Butcher Jones from central Phoenix?
> > John
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "linda luik" <minihummer@w...>
> > To: "Len Sullivan" <kermit@e...>; "Halverson"
> <byrnec@q...>;
> > "Nixon, Scott" <scnix1@h...>; "DougB" <azjeep@h...>; "Gary
> Holmes"
> > <Niitoyis@w...>; "Robert Holmes"
> <flamable_liquid@h...>;
> > "Bab****, Charles H" <charles.h.bab****@i...>; "az_vjc"
> > <az_vjc@e...>; "graham, steve" <stevegraham@w...>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 5:16 PM
> > Subject: SUV Pull is ON for Dec 29!!!!
> >
> > > Just want to let y'all know. Steve and I took a trip out there
this
> > > morning and the burned up SUV is still in the 2nd Cove. We hi-
lifted
> the
> > > rear to see if the axle would turn. We could not get it to
pudge so
> I
> > > doubt that putting tires on it will do much good. The roof is
caved
> in.
> > >
> > > Steve thinks that most of the hauling will need to be done with
> chain.
> > > The engine hood needs to be cut off. The body needs to be
flipped on
> its
> > > roof.
> > >
> > > We selected what we think is the easiest route. Two uphills, two
> > > downhills. All are relativley easy slopes (lot of moguls of
course
> .. we
> > > can't make it too easy) and there's a lot of soft sand trail to
drag
> the
> > > SUV through.
> > >
> > > The 2nd cove is in pretty bad shape. We didn't go to the first
cove,
> but
> > > it is probably even more trashed. The area inside the green
gate is
> > > really bad.
> > >
> > > Hope to see you out there!
> > >
> > > December 29. Meet by the green gate at Butcher Jones Rec Area at
> 8:30am.
> > > Get on the trail by 9:00am. Hopefully get the SUV out before
> sundown.
> > > The second cove is a long way from the green gate!
> > >
> > > PS. If you want to try tires, the SUV is a mid-80s Pathfinder,
> 6-bolt
> > > wheels and will most likely require metric lug nuts.
> > >
> > > Linda
> > >
> > > linda luik wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well, so far it looks like we have a pretty good turnout. I
will
> post
> > > > this as trail ride for Saturday, Dec 29, if that's okay with
> everyone. I
> > > > will contact the FS with the date. Meet at Butcher Jones at
> 9:00-9:30am
> > > > and go from there. I hope it doesn't rain!
> > > >
> > > > Sign ups so far are:
> > > >
> > > > LenS
> > > > JohnH
> > > > DougB
> > > > GaryH
> > > > RobertH
> > > > CharlesB
> > > > SteveG
> > > > ScottN
> > > >
> > > > LindaL
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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38451 From: <sanfordtm@a...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 4:01pm
Subject: Re: Looking for a Jeep
If this dealership told you a lie you need to turn it over to the Better Business Bureau ASAP!
38452 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 9:34pm
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Monday, December 31, 2001 - Reminder
Hello All,
Roger Tomas is leading an Unspecified trail run on Monday, December 31, 2001.
When: 9:00am
Where: Mile marker 11 on Carefree Highway (aka SR74).
This is about 10 miles west of Lake Pleasant.
Rating: None
Length: Maybe 3-5 hours depending
CB Channel: 4
This trail run will be to the old P4W Ranch out west of
Lake Pleasant. This area has a variety - hill climbs,
ledges, rocks, notches, off-camber, etc. To do all of the
obstacles, I recommend front and rear lockers, decent
clearance, and 33" or bigger mud tread tires. Lesser
set-ups can take some bypasses but I don't recommend stock
rigs.
We'll meet at the dirt road (aka the haul road due to its
use by a sand and gravel company?) on the north side of SR74
near mile marker 11. Once everyone is there, we'll travel
another mile or so down the freeway before leaving pavement.
I'd guess this trail would rate somewhere between 3.5 and 4.0.
Sign Up List:
Roger Tomas Definite
Stu Olson Definite
Mike Beach Tentative
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
38428 From: Brian Harmon <xjnation@h...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 3:57pm
Subject: Hey can someone email me my member name aand password
I deleted the cookie which has held this info for a long time.....can some
one get me this info so I can sign on to the web site?
Brian Harmon
88 XJ Laredo
http://www.cherokee-nation.com
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38429 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 4:19pm
Subject: give away
I have a pair of factory TJ steps that are taking up room in my garage.
Will trade them for a six pack of Pepsi, first come, first served.. You
need to pick them up (near 67th Ave. & Camelback). If they aren't gone in a
couple of days, they go to the trash.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
38430 From: David Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 4:52pm
Subject: Final Expo Ticket list please call if i missed you
I'm going to stop taking requests Saturday 12-29. That way I can pick them up Sunday. They are going to let me give them a check so that way I can collect the money without the wife getting more pissed. So I will need the money(cash or Check) and give you your tickets on or b4 Thursday the 1-3-02. I will be at the in-laws @ 47th Ave and Glendale New Years Eve and Day and if needed may meet at a bar on the west side sometime next week too. you can also come by work or home. Call me if you need anything else, numbers are below. >
> Work:
> 15300 N. 90th ST
> Suite 100
> Scottsdale, AZ 85301
> 'Frank Lloyd Wright & 101'
> Home:
> 4408 E. Tanglewood
> (Pecos North Gated community, Gate Code: #1397)
> Phoenix, AZ 85048
> '44th & Chandler'
> In-Laws:
> 4608 W. Midway
> Glendale, AZ 85301
> '47th Ave & Glendale'
>
Mike Chatfield 2
Scott maiden 2
> KC (Kurt) 3
> Daren 3
> Jim Florence 1
> Rick Norman 2
> Larry Davidson 7
> John R. 1
> Rob Brooks 3
> Rob Williams 3
> Mike Beach 2
> Chris Benner 2
> Gary Holmes 2
> Scott Thomas 4
> Crusher 8
> Mike Baney 2
> Lisa & Barry Bunch 2
> Mike and Karen Acuna 5
> Les 3
> Me 1
> TOTAL = 58
> David R. W. Withers
> Desk: 480.551.4667
> Mobile: 480.215.6992
>
> P.S. I'll update the list a few times a day.
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38431 From: Fred <fredtj@h...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 5:16pm
Subject: D30 and D44 axle weights
Anyone have any idea regarding the weight of the D30 and D44 (TJ) without
the wheels and tires;)
Thanks,
Fred
38432 From: Fred <fredtj@h...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 5:33pm
Subject: TJ weight
Anyone ever weigh their TJ or wonder what it is. Well, I did, as I'm
considering custom springs and I also need the front half and rear half
weight. The local truck stop has a split bed scale.
Ok, '98 TJ Sahara, soft top, 4.0L 6 cyl, 5 speed, A/C, custom bumpers front
and rear, no rear seat, Tuffy Security Box in rear, full armour (rocker
guards, f&R diff guards, engine skid), 4 35x12.50 SSR's on 15x8 AR767 + a
"thin" spare (Q78 15), rear mounted, tight to tailgate. Full tank of gas,
full off road load (tools, CO2 tank, etc), with me (175lbs) in vehicle,
within 20lbs. If you look at your Jeep, you'll notice that the rear axle
carries all the weight of anyone in the vehicle. The front seats are behind
the mid point of the wheel base.
Front axle half: 2040 lbs
Rear axle half: 2460 lbs
Total weight: 4500 lbs !!
Pretty darn heavy !!! Also, as I've always said, these TJ's are really rear
biased, weight wise. Here's an excellent example of why I don't like huge
spares, hanging wayyyyy off the rear of the vehicle (like with the
Bulletproof bumpers) and rear mounted gas cans ;)
:)
Fred
38433 From: <sanfordtm@a...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 0:37pm
Subject: Re: TJ weight
Fred,
Yes, Jeeps are heavier than what people realize. I had a friend buy a 83 with a 6. I have a 93 with a 4. We weighed them on the scale on the Air Base, best I can recall we were both near the 4000 mark with his 83 being just a bit heavier.
Tim
38434 From: Joe Kearney <jkearney3893@e...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 5:48pm
Subject: SUV Pull Pictures
Linda,
Thanks for all you did with this project.
I had fun.
Here are the pictures I took during the day.
It would be nice if we could get a write up in one of the papers about
us doing this.
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/joekphxcj7/lst?.dir=/
GOD BLESS AMERICA
Joe Kearney
Have a good day
-----Original Message-----
From: linda luik [mailto:minihummer@w...]
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 2:29 PM
To: Beckham, Michael
Cc: 'Halverson'; Len Sullivan; Nixon, Scott; DougB; Gary Holmes; Robert
Holmes; Bab****, Charles H; az_vjc; graham, steve
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: SUV Pull is ON for Dec 29!!!!
Here are directions from central Phoenix
* Take the 202 to Country Club in Mesa.
* Go left (north) on the Beeline (SR87?) to the Saquaro Lake turn-off.
It'a about 20 miles out going this way. You Pass Fountain Hills and
cross the Verde River.
* Go right (south) on Bush Hwy (The Saquaro Lake turn-off)
* Go left (east) at the Butcher Jones Recreation Area sign. There is a
fee station, but since we aren't using the facilities, don't bother to
pay unless you plan on staying there a while. The green gate is in the
back by the Great Western Trail Sign.
From Chandler or Gilbert or Mesa
* Go east to Power Rd on any major east-west street.
* Go norht on Power Rd. You'll go over the Salt River and by the Saquaro
Lake Ranch and Marina entrance before getting to the Butcher Jones
Recreation Area.
* Turn right at Butcher Jones and the green gate is in the back of the
parking lot.
Linda
"Beckham, Michael" wrote:
>
> I have had a change in sched, and would like to be there and meet
everyone
> too! Where is Butcher Jones?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Halverson [mailto:byrnec@q...]
> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 8:29 PM
> To: minihummer@w...; Len Sullivan; Nixon, Scott; DougB;
Gary
> Holmes; Robert Holmes; Bab****, Charles H; az_vjc; graham, steve
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: SUV Pull is ON for Dec 29!!!!
>
> Hi Linda --How do I get to Butcher Jones from central Phoenix?
> John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "linda luik" <minihummer@w...>
> To: "Len Sullivan" <kermit@e...>; "Halverson"
<byrnec@q...>;
> "Nixon, Scott" <scnix1@h...>; "DougB" <azjeep@h...>; "Gary
Holmes"
> <Niitoyis@w...>; "Robert Holmes"
<flamable_liquid@h...>;
> "Bab****, Charles H" <charles.h.bab****@i...>; "az_vjc"
> <az_vjc@egroups.com>; "graham, steve" <stevegraham@w...>
> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 5:16 PM
> Subject: SUV Pull is ON for Dec 29!!!!
>
> > Just want to let y'all know. Steve and I took a trip out there this
> > morning and the burned up SUV is still in the 2nd Cove. We hi-lifted
the
> > rear to see if the axle would turn. We could not get it to pudge so
I
> > doubt that putting tires on it will do much good. The roof is caved
in.
> >
> > Steve thinks that most of the hauling will need to be done with
chain.
> > The engine hood needs to be cut off. The body needs to be flipped on
its
> > roof.
> >
> > We selected what we think is the easiest route. Two uphills, two
> > downhills. All are relativley easy slopes (lot of moguls of course
.. we
> > can't make it too easy) and there's a lot of soft sand trail to drag
the
> > SUV through.
> >
> > The 2nd cove is in pretty bad shape. We didn't go to the first cove,
but
> > it is probably even more trashed. The area inside the green gate is
> > really bad.
> >
> > Hope to see you out there!
> >
> > December 29. Meet by the green gate at Butcher Jones Rec Area at
8:30am.
> > Get on the trail by 9:00am. Hopefully get the SUV out before
sundown.
> > The second cove is a long way from the green gate!
> >
> > PS. If you want to try tires, the SUV is a mid-80s Pathfinder,
6-bolt
> > wheels and will most likely require metric lug nuts.
> >
> > Linda
> >
> > linda luik wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, so far it looks like we have a pretty good turnout. I will
post
> > > this as trail ride for Saturday, Dec 29, if that's okay with
everyone. I
> > > will contact the FS with the date. Meet at Butcher Jones at
9:00-9:30am
> > > and go from there. I hope it doesn't rain!
> > >
> > > Sign ups so far are:
> > >
> > > LenS
> > > JohnH
> > > DougB
> > > GaryH
> > > RobertH
> > > CharlesB
> > > SteveG
> > > ScottN
> > >
> > > LindaL
> >
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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38435 From: JoeKPhx <JoeKPhx@h...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 5:49pm
Subject: SUV Pull Pictures
Linda,
Thanks for all you did with this project.
I had fun.
Here are the pictures I took during the day.
It would be nice if we could get a write up in one of the papers about us doing this.
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/joekphxcj7/lst?.dir=/
GOD BLESS AMERICA
Joe Kearney
Have a good day
38436 From: Fred <fredtj@h...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 5:58pm
Subject: Re: TJ weight
Oh, I've known that they are heavy, and thought that mine was close to what it weighed in to. I just posted this as some will find it interesting. Mant people constantly refer to Jeeps as "light" vehicles. They're anything but, especially when loaded. They are also so rear weight biased, it's no wonder they sit up on their tailgates like Tonka Trucks ;)
Cheers,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: sanfordtm@aol.com
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] TJ weight
Fred,
Yes, Jeeps are heavier than what people realize. I had a friend buy a 83 with a 6. I have a 93 with a 4. We weighed them on the scale on the Air Base, best I can recall we were both near the 4000 mark with his 83 being just a bit heavier.
Tim
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38437 From: brian56b <brian56b@y...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 6:35pm
Subject: Looking for a Jeep
Hi All,
I lost the deal on my '98 XJ yesterday after three weeks of driving
it. Lousy dealership! Now looking for a different Jeep. I haven't got
a clue as to who might be honest enough to do business with and I'm
looking for suggestions and or referrals. Needless to say I'm a
little gun shy regarding dealerships right now but I'm willing to do
business with the right person.
My ideal jeep to start would be a stock 1997 Sport or Sahara w/hard
top.
Thanks,
Brian
K7BAL
38438 From: Fred <fredtj@h...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 6:54pm
Subject: Re: Looking for a Jeep
"lost the deal in my '98 XJ yesterday after three weeks of driving it" ?????
Explain please.
:)
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "brian56b" <brian56b@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 7:35 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Looking for a Jeep
> Hi All,
>
> I lost the deal on my '98 XJ yesterday after three weeks of driving
> it. Lousy dealership! Now looking for a different Jeep. I haven't got
> a clue as to who might be honest enough to do business with and I'm
> looking for suggestions and or referrals. Needless to say I'm a
> little gun shy regarding dealerships right now but I'm willing to do
> business with the right person.
>
> My ideal jeep to start would be a stock 1997 Sport or Sahara w/hard
> top.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian
> K7BAL
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
38439 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 7:02pm
Subject: Re: TJ weight
Sounds like you have an wxcuse to throw a winch up front. ;-)
-Roger
Fred wrote:
>
> Anyone ever weigh their TJ or wonder what it is. Well, I did, as I'm
> considering custom springs and I also need the front half and rear half
> weight. The local truck stop has a split bed scale.
> Ok, '98 TJ Sahara, soft top, 4.0L 6 cyl, 5 speed, A/C, custom bumpers front
> and rear, no rear seat, Tuffy Security Box in rear, full armour (rocker
> guards, f&R diff guards, engine skid), 4 35x12.50 SSR's on 15x8 AR767 + a
> "thin" spare (Q78 15), rear mounted, tight to tailgate. Full tank of gas,
> full off road load (tools, CO2 tank, etc), with me (175lbs) in vehicle,
> within 20lbs. If you look at your Jeep, you'll notice that the rear axle
> carries all the weight of anyone in the vehicle. The front seats are behind
> the mid point of the wheel base.
>
> Front axle half: 2040 lbs
> Rear axle half: 2460 lbs
> Total weight: 4500 lbs !!
>
> Pretty darn heavy !!! Also, as I've always said, these TJ's are really rear
> biased, weight wise. Here's an excellent example of why I don't like huge
> spares, hanging wayyyyy off the rear of the vehicle (like with the
> Bulletproof bumpers) and rear mounted gas cans ;)
>
> :)
> Fred
38440 From: Fred <fredtj@h...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 7:08pm
Subject: Re: TJ weight
Yup, winch is coming very shortly, possibly next week, along with moving the
hi-lift to the front. The ideal thing also would be to get the spare inside
the rear. That won't change the weight or the rear bias, but it would bring
a little more of the weight in closer to the center.
:)
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] TJ weight
> Sounds like you have an wxcuse to throw a winch up front. ;-)
>
> -Roger
>
> Fred wrote:
> >
> > Anyone ever weigh their TJ or wonder what it is. Well, I did, as I'm
> > considering custom springs and I also need the front half and rear half
> > weight. The local truck stop has a split bed scale.
> > Ok, '98 TJ Sahara, soft top, 4.0L 6 cyl, 5 speed, A/C, custom bumpers
front
> > and rear, no rear seat, Tuffy Security Box in rear, full armour (rocker
> > guards, f&R diff guards, engine skid), 4 35x12.50 SSR's on 15x8 AR767 +
a
> > "thin" spare (Q78 15), rear mounted, tight to tailgate. Full tank of
gas,
> > full off road load (tools, CO2 tank, etc), with me (175lbs) in vehicle,
> > within 20lbs. If you look at your Jeep, you'll notice that the rear axle
> > carries all the weight of anyone in the vehicle. The front seats are
behind
> > the mid point of the wheel base.
> >
> > Front axle half: 2040 lbs
> > Rear axle half: 2460 lbs
> > Total weight: 4500 lbs !!
> >
> > Pretty darn heavy !!! Also, as I've always said, these TJ's are really
rear
> > biased, weight wise. Here's an excellent example of why I don't like
huge
> > spares, hanging wayyyyy off the rear of the vehicle (like with the
> > Bulletproof bumpers) and rear mounted gas cans ;)
> >
> > :)
> > Fred
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
38441 From: highjeeps <highupjeep@q...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 7:17pm
Subject: Re: Nice trail write-up
What a difference! His is really hurting for some flex, isn't it.
Larry
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Steve Meyer" <steve.j.meyer@h...> wrote:
> Hmmm.. I have a similar shot to the one with him in the squeeze.
But I didn't fall in like he did. Maybe it was the flex difference?
SUA vs. SOA. --Steve
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "highjeeps" <highupjeep@q...>
> To: <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 8:30 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Nice trail write-up
>
>
> > Hey, I remember that. I was on that very same run during the
ASA4WDC
> > Jamboree. That YJ was major stuck in that wedge. He sure does a
good
> > job of writing a trip report.
> > Larry
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "wisardd1" <Wisard1@e...> wrote:
> > > Oh by the way, this is the main webpage
> > > WWW.Gdi-Jeepheads.Com
> > >
38442 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 7:31pm
Subject: Re: TJ weight
If you figure it out, it's 55% rear & 45% front. That's not too far
off center. It is managable.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Fred" <fredtj@h...> wrote:
> Anyone ever weigh their TJ or wonder what it is. Well, I did, as I'm
> considering custom springs and I also need the front half and rear
half
> weight. The local truck stop has a split bed scale.
> Ok, '98 TJ Sahara, soft top, 4.0L 6 cyl, 5 speed, A/C, custom
bumpers front
> and rear, no rear seat, Tuffy Security Box in rear, full armour
(rocker
> guards, f&R diff guards, engine skid), 4 35x12.50 SSR's on 15x8
AR767 + a
> "thin" spare (Q78 15), rear mounted, tight to tailgate. Full tank
of gas,
> full off road load (tools, CO2 tank, etc), with me (175lbs) in
vehicle,
> within 20lbs. If you look at your Jeep, you'll notice that the rear
axle
> carries all the weight of anyone in the vehicle. The front seats
are behind
> the mid point of the wheel base.
>
> Front axle half: 2040 lbs
> Rear axle half: 2460 lbs
> Total weight: 4500 lbs !!
>
> Pretty darn heavy !!! Also, as I've always said, these TJ's are
really rear
> biased, weight wise. Here's an excellent example of why I don't
like huge
> spares, hanging wayyyyy off the rear of the vehicle (like with the
> Bulletproof bumpers) and rear mounted gas cans ;)
>
> :)
> Fred
38443 From: highjeeps <highupjeep@q...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 7:45pm
Subject: Re: give away
I've got a couple of those. too. One is in good condition and the
other one's bent up. I can't seem to throw anything out, though.
Good luck.
Larry
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> I have a pair of factory TJ steps that are taking up room in my
garage.
>
> Will trade them for a six pack of Pepsi, first come, first
served.. You
> need to pick them up (near 67th Ave. & Camelback). If they aren't
gone in a
> couple of days, they go to the trash.
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
38444 From: <sanfordtm@a...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 3:02pm
Subject: Re: Looking for a Jeep
Looking for a deal.
All Models in Tucson on 22nd Street gave me a good and honest deal. After a month the timing chain was making some noise. They replaced it free of charge.
Tim
38445 From: Brian Hill <brian@a...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 8:08pm
Subject: RE: Looking for a Jeep
I agreed to purchase the Jeep from the dealer at a rate of 7 percent
interest and signed the contract. After three weeks I noticed that my down
payment still hadn't cleared the bank. I called to ask why not and they said
because the interest rate would be a little higher than I agreed to.
Actually it doubled from 7 to 14 percent. This seems unscrupulous to me but
that's the way it goes I guess.
If anyone knows of a reputable and fair individual or dealership please let
me know.
Thanks,
Brian
K7BAL
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred [mailto:fredtj@h...]
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 7:54 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Looking for a Jeep
"lost the deal in my '98 XJ yesterday after three weeks of driving it" ?????
Explain please.
:)
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "brian56b" <brian56b@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 7:35 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Looking for a Jeep
> Hi All,
>
> I lost the deal on my '98 XJ yesterday after three weeks of driving
> it. Lousy dealership! Now looking for a different Jeep. I haven't got
> a clue as to who might be honest enough to do business with and I'm
> looking for suggestions and or referrals. Needless to say I'm a
> little gun shy regarding dealerships right now but I'm willing to do
> business with the right person.
>
> My ideal jeep to start would be a stock 1997 Sport or Sahara w/hard
> top.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian
> K7BAL
>
>
>
>
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38446 From: Brian Hill <brian@a...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 8:09pm
Subject: RE: Looking for a Jeep
Thanks Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: sanfordtm@aol.com [mailto:sanfordtm@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 9:02 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Looking for a Jeep
Looking for a deal.
All Models in Tucson on 22nd Street gave me a good and honest deal. After a month the timing chain was making some noise. They replaced it free of charge.
Tim
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38447 From: <sanfordtm@a...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 3:09pm
Subject: Re: Looking for a Jeep
Your more than welcome. I haven't been by there since 9/11 but I am sure they have had some problems. I guess I should stop by. They are from Iran. They were as honest as they could be with me and stood by the jeep they sold me, even when they did not have to be.
Tim
38448 From: Kim Monson <MOMSBUMBLEBEE@h...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 8:28pm
Subject: Re: Looking for a Jeep
Hi Brian,
Sorry to hear about your Jeep. That really sucks. We know all about
dealerships. Been dealing with them alot lately. I have a 2000 TJ that I'm
thinking about selling. It's the sport. 4.0L, stock. 34K miles. Asking
$18500 for it. It's yellow. Not really been off road much. Only trails.
Easy stuff. Soft top, hard doors.
Let me know if your interested.
Kim
>From: "brian56b" <brian56b@y...>
>Reply-To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Looking for a Jeep
>Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 02:35:20 -0000
>
>Hi All,
>
>I lost the deal on my '98 XJ yesterday after three weeks of driving
>it. Lousy dealership! Now looking for a different Jeep. I haven't got
>a clue as to who might be honest enough to do business with and I'm
>looking for suggestions and or referrals. Needless to say I'm a
>little gun shy regarding dealerships right now but I'm willing to do
>business with the right person.
>
>My ideal jeep to start would be a stock 1997 Sport or Sahara w/hard
>top.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Brian
>K7BAL
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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38449 From: <sanfordtm@a...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 3:56pm
Subject: Re: Looking for a Jeep
Brian,
Try All Models on 22nd in Tucson. They gave me a fair deal. They were honest with me and they normally have several jeeps to choose from. I told them how much I had to put down, they put it to the bank and then they told me how much the interest would be. Like I said honest people. The bank has to look at the credit you know. Normally the dealer won't know until whoever they finance through tells them. Try them out, they were true to me.
Tim
38450 From: hiett710 <hiett710@y...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 8:58pm
Subject: Re: SUV Pull Pictures
Where are the pics?
It's telling me that the album is empty.
Mike
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe Kearney" <jkearney3893@e...> wrote:
> Linda,
>
> Thanks for all you did with this project.
>
> I had fun.
>
> Here are the pictures I took during the day.
> It would be nice if we could get a write up in one of the papers
about
> us doing this.
>
> http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/joekphxcj7/lst?.dir=/
>
>
>
> GOD BLESS AMERICA
> Joe Kearney
> Have a good day
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: linda luik [mailto:minihummer@w...]
> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 2:29 PM
> To: Beckham, Michael
> Cc: 'Halverson'; Len Sullivan; Nixon, Scott; DougB; Gary Holmes;
Robert
> Holmes; Bab****, Charles H; az_vjc; graham, steve
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: SUV Pull is ON for Dec 29!!!!
>
>
> Here are directions from central Phoenix
>
> * Take the 202 to Country Club in Mesa.
>
> * Go left (north) on the Beeline (SR87?) to the Saquaro Lake turn-
off.
> It'a about 20 miles out going this way. You Pass Fountain Hills and
> cross the Verde River.
>
> * Go right (south) on Bush Hwy (The Saquaro Lake turn-off)
>
> * Go left (east) at the Butcher Jones Recreation Area sign. There
is a
> fee station, but since we aren't using the facilities, don't bother
to
> pay unless you plan on staying there a while. The green gate is in
the
> back by the Great Western Trail Sign.
>
> From Chandler or Gilbert or Mesa
>
> * Go east to Power Rd on any major east-west street.
> * Go norht on Power Rd. You'll go over the Salt River and by the
Saquaro
> Lake Ranch and Marina entrance before getting to the Butcher Jones
> Recreation Area.
> * Turn right at Butcher Jones and the green gate is in the back of
the
> parking lot.
>
>
> Linda
>
> "Beckham, Michael" wrote:
> >
> > I have had a change in sched, and would like to be there and meet
> everyone
> > too! Where is Butcher Jones?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Halverson [mailto:byrnec@q...]
> > Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 8:29 PM
> > To: minihummer@w...; Len Sullivan; Nixon, Scott; DougB;
> Gary
> > Holmes; Robert Holmes; Bab****, Charles H; az_vjc; graham, steve
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: SUV Pull is ON for Dec 29!!!!
> >
> > Hi Linda --How do I get to Butcher Jones from central Phoenix?
> > John
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "linda luik" <minihummer@w...>
> > To: "Len Sullivan" <kermit@e...>; "Halverson"
> <byrnec@q...>;
> > "Nixon, Scott" <scnix1@h...>; "DougB" <azjeep@h...>; "Gary
> Holmes"
> > <Niitoyis@w...>; "Robert Holmes"
> <flamable_liquid@h...>;
> > "Bab****, Charles H" <charles.h.bab****@i...>; "az_vjc"
> > <az_vjc@e...>; "graham, steve" <stevegraham@w...>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 5:16 PM
> > Subject: SUV Pull is ON for Dec 29!!!!
> >
> > > Just want to let y'all know. Steve and I took a trip out there
this
> > > morning and the burned up SUV is still in the 2nd Cove. We hi-
lifted
> the
> > > rear to see if the axle would turn. We could not get it to
pudge so
> I
> > > doubt that putting tires on it will do much good. The roof is
caved
> in.
> > >
> > > Steve thinks that most of the hauling will need to be done with
> chain.
> > > The engine hood needs to be cut off. The body needs to be
flipped on
> its
> > > roof.
> > >
> > > We selected what we think is the easiest route. Two uphills, two
> > > downhills. All are relativley easy slopes (lot of moguls of
course
> .. we
> > > can't make it too easy) and there's a lot of soft sand trail to
drag
> the
> > > SUV through.
> > >
> > > The 2nd cove is in pretty bad shape. We didn't go to the first
cove,
> but
> > > it is probably even more trashed. The area inside the green
gate is
> > > really bad.
> > >
> > > Hope to see you out there!
> > >
> > > December 29. Meet by the green gate at Butcher Jones Rec Area at
> 8:30am.
> > > Get on the trail by 9:00am. Hopefully get the SUV out before
> sundown.
> > > The second cove is a long way from the green gate!
> > >
> > > PS. If you want to try tires, the SUV is a mid-80s Pathfinder,
> 6-bolt
> > > wheels and will most likely require metric lug nuts.
> > >
> > > Linda
> > >
> > > linda luik wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well, so far it looks like we have a pretty good turnout. I
will
> post
> > > > this as trail ride for Saturday, Dec 29, if that's okay with
> everyone. I
> > > > will contact the FS with the date. Meet at Butcher Jones at
> 9:00-9:30am
> > > > and go from there. I hope it doesn't rain!
> > > >
> > > > Sign ups so far are:
> > > >
> > > > LenS
> > > > JohnH
> > > > DougB
> > > > GaryH
> > > > RobertH
> > > > CharlesB
> > > > SteveG
> > > > ScottN
> > > >
> > > > LindaL
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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38451 From: <sanfordtm@a...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 4:01pm
Subject: Re: Looking for a Jeep
If this dealership told you a lie you need to turn it over to the Better Business Bureau ASAP!
38452 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 9:34pm
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Monday, December 31, 2001 - Reminder
Hello All,
Roger Tomas is leading an Unspecified trail run on Monday, December 31, 2001.
When: 9:00am
Where: Mile marker 11 on Carefree Highway (aka SR74).
This is about 10 miles west of Lake Pleasant.
Rating: None
Length: Maybe 3-5 hours depending
CB Channel: 4
This trail run will be to the old P4W Ranch out west of
Lake Pleasant. This area has a variety - hill climbs,
ledges, rocks, notches, off-camber, etc. To do all of the
obstacles, I recommend front and rear lockers, decent
clearance, and 33" or bigger mud tread tires. Lesser
set-ups can take some bypasses but I don't recommend stock
rigs.
We'll meet at the dirt road (aka the haul road due to its
use by a sand and gravel company?) on the north side of SR74
near mile marker 11. Once everyone is there, we'll travel
another mile or so down the freeway before leaving pavement.
I'd guess this trail would rate somewhere between 3.5 and 4.0.
Sign Up List:
Roger Tomas Definite
Stu Olson Definite
Mike Beach Tentative
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website