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BRUZR
11-16-2006, 11:45 AM
And PM me a price on the 4.5" SA Soopah Flex kit for the same Jeep (03 TJ, 5 speed 4.0L), too please...
joedokes28
11-16-2006, 11:52 AM
Can you PM me a price for the 5.5 RE LA Kit? And then a price for the tri-link kit with the rear cradle welded in? 2005 SWB Rubicon 6spd, Thanks!
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Dave
480-288-4213
zeitlerusmc
11-16-2006, 01:41 PM
Hey dave the wife has a 2003 rubicon, and I was looking into the RE 3.5 superflex, seems to be most economical/capable for the money! what do you think? I have priced it and found it for 850 without shocks. Do you think this is the best lift for a daily driver, and if so can you beat that price?
RokNRich
11-21-2006, 07:41 PM
Can you PM me a price for the 5.5 RE LA Kit? And then a price for the tri-link kit with the rear cradle welded in? 2005 SWB Rubicon 6spd, Thanks!
Have you pulled the trigger on one of these lifts Joe ? What happened to keeping the CoG down low, I know at one point in time we'd talked about that. Those 5.5 RE springs are tall, especially if you end up putting a body lift on it as well, unless you're gonna run 37's or something.
Low and slow bro !
xFallen
11-21-2006, 08:11 PM
Have you pulled the trigger on one of these lifts Joe ? What happened to keeping the CoG down low, I know at one point in time we'd talked about that. Those 5.5 RE springs are tall, especially if you end up putting a body lift on it as well, unless you're gonna run 37's or something.
Low and slow bro !
TJ + 4" lift + sawzall = 37" tires
WalterD
11-21-2006, 08:20 PM
What's the price for the LA 5.5 for an 04 Unlimited?
Walter
RokNRich
11-21-2006, 09:52 PM
TJ + 4" lift + sawzall = 37" tires
That's what I'm talking about, plan on doing eventually. :D
joedokes28
11-22-2006, 07:33 AM
Have you pulled the trigger on one of these lifts Joe ? What happened to keeping the CoG down low, I know at one point in time we'd talked about that. Those 5.5 RE springs are tall, especially if you end up putting a body lift on it as well, unless you're gonna run 37's or something.
Low and slow bro !
You are right. One of the vendors talked me out of the 5.5" lift pretty quick. I won't be going over 4.5" when I lift. I'm still having the short arm vs. long arm debate in my head as well. If I didn't use my jeep as a daily driver and tow vehicle, it would be much easier to decide.
xFallen
11-22-2006, 07:43 AM
You are right. One of the vendors talked me out of the 5.5" lift pretty quick. I won't be going over 4.5" when I lift. I'm still having the short arm vs. long arm debate in my head as well. If I didn't use my jeep as a daily driver and tow vehicle, it would be much easier to decide.
Not only does the LA perform better off-road, it drives so much better at speed than the short arm. You will find it to be a lot less choppy and extremely stable on the highway. The only people who seem to promote the SA kits are the ones that have them. I have had both on the same vehicle. There is absolutely zero question in my mind -- LA all the way on all counts. It is just better.
Barry
DsrtJeeper
11-22-2006, 10:23 AM
Not only does the LA perform better off-road, it drives so much better at speed than the short arm. You will find it to be a lot less choppy and extremely stable on the highway. The only people who seem to promote the SA kits are the ones that have them. I have had both on the same vehicle. There is absolutely zero question in my mind -- LA all the way on all counts. It is just better.
Barry
Ya know; I used to agree full heartedly with the above until I went with an RE SA lift. The above statement can be conditional. I'd say that anything over the 3.5" lift should be LA so as to obtain better handling and more desireable angles on the control arms. With 3.5" of lift or less; stick with the SA lift for greater clearance and great handling. My previous LA lift rode much worse than my current 3.5" RE SA lift. The previous lift had softer coils, but used the same Rancho 9000x shocks. I won't confuse you further by getting into the unloading of taller coils. :)
My suggestion nowadays... 3-4" of lift max utilizing mid-length (Currie J-arm) or SA's. As stated before; cut metal for fitment of larger tires. I run 35's with the 3.5" RE SA and a 1" BL. No rubbing whatsoever. Add a tummy tucker and you have one stealth crawler. The rest is all up to the driver.
Hope this helps.
mingoglia
11-22-2006, 10:36 AM
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DsrtJeeper
11-22-2006, 10:40 AM
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Stop stirring the pot! Bastid! :D
My post is my personal experience and not meant to start a flame war. After I break in my gears; I can test this theory farther.
desertfabmotors
11-22-2006, 11:33 AM
Ya know; I used to agree full heartedly with the above until I went with an RE SA lift. The above statement can be conditional. I'd say that anything over the 3.5" lift should be LA so as to obtain better handling and more desireable angles on the control arms. With 3.5" of lift or less; stick with the SA lift for greater clearance and great handling. My previous LA lift rode much worse than my current 3.5" RE SA lift. The previous lift had softer coils, but used the same Rancho 9000x shocks. I won't confuse you further by getting into the unloading of taller coils. :)
My suggestion nowadays... 3-4" of lift max utilizing mid-length (Currie J-arm) or SA's. As stated before; cut metal for fitment of larger tires. I run 35's with the 3.5" RE SA and a 1" BL. No rubbing whatsoever. Add a tummy tucker and you have one stealth crawler. The rest is all up to the driver.
Hope this helps.
You are not comparing apples to apples here. Your new rig is a longer wheel base which will handle different on the road. But SA or LA these kits ride and handle very nice on and offroad.
fatbob309
11-22-2006, 02:47 PM
Not only does the LA perform better off-road, it drives so much better at speed than the short arm. You will find it to be a lot less choppy and extremely stable on the highway. The only people who seem to promote the SA kits are the ones that have them. I have had both on the same vehicle. There is absolutely zero question in my mind -- LA all the way on all counts. It is just better.
Barry
What about it unloading on the trail? I have heard that from a few long arm people.
joedokes28
11-22-2006, 03:07 PM
Is one better than the other for towing a 1500# trailer? The choice is say a RE 3.5" SF SA kit with a 1" BL and an RE 4.5" SF LA kit. Which one will tow a trailer better down the highway. Assume new drive shafts motor mounts etc.. are installed where needed. Just want to know which will work better. I realize towing is the last reason anyone here would ever be concerned about, but if I'm not out in the jeep, I'm out riding my quad. Buying a pickup or another vehicle of any kind is not an option.
xFallen
11-22-2006, 04:33 PM
What about it unloading on the trail? I have heard that from a few long arm people.
I figured that would come up. The fact is that any suspension can unload be it leaf, coil or air. It is largely a function of the spring rates. Part of the reason the LA systems allege to unload more is because they flex a lot. One simple answer is to limit the center droop which still allows for plenty of articulation. This largely prevents the springs from pushing the axle and chassis away from each other under conditions where this might otherwise occur.
Barry
DsrtJeeper
11-23-2006, 10:34 AM
You are not comparing apples to apples here. Your new rig is a longer wheel base which will handle different on the road. But SA or LA these kits ride and handle very nice on and offroad.
Agreed. All I have to do is hop in one of my buddies TJ's with the same lift I had and the memories come back. It's important to have the correct springs and RE has done a great job. That's all I was saying in so many words. That and the fact that I wouldn't go to a LA lift until I went over 4" of lift. I can give you countless accounts of LA's stopping a Jeep in it's tracks where a leaf sprung or SA lifted TJ went right up and over the obstacle.
It's funny that noone has even taken into consideration what Joe plans on wheeling with his Jeep. Like I said; the lift choice is "conditional."
DsrtJeeper
11-23-2006, 11:06 AM
I figured that would come up. The fact is that any suspension can unload be it leaf, coil or air. It is largely a function of the spring rates. Part of the reason the LA systems allege to unload more is because they flex a lot. One simple answer is to limit the center droop which still allows for plenty of articulation. This largely prevents the springs from pushing the axle and chassis away from each other under conditions where this might otherwise occur.
Barry
This came up because it's a fact. We are here to educate Joe and to try to make him aware of all pros and cons. It is a fact that longer coils cause more unloading. Suspension design will increase or decrease the effect. Yes; it can be remedied.
Just look at Chris's TJ with Skyjacker SA lift. It flexes just as well if not more than many LA kits. Flex is driven into our heads on these boards yet SPUA YJ's and CJ's are still wheeling the Hammers yearly. Lifting a wheel is not a disgrace and you can always find a trail where the flexiest of kits can't keep all 4 wheels on the ground.
I do prefer LA's for onroad handling. :)
AZLugz
11-24-2006, 08:02 AM
And PM me a price on the 4.5" SA Soopah Flex kit for the same Jeep (03 TJ, 5 speed 4.0L), too please...
This is the kit I have on my 06 LJ and I love it!!!!!
Eric,
I run an LA and I regularly haul two trailers. (one at a time) One is an old 1955 Comet that I use for hunting and the otehr is a 5'x10' flatbed that is used for trail clean ups, moving and hauling my antique Harley's.
It hauls them very well and with less rear-end droop than my SA lift had. Then again, that's why I got the 'B' rate springs with my LA kit, instead of the 'A' rate springs. (the 'B' rates are for heavy TJ's)
Those are my thoughts and if you come over to SWR your CB, you can see the trailers I haul.
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