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37652 From: Fab guys <fabguys@o...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 7:00pm
Subject: From: O-R Fab and Kong's
Hello Mike,
Sorry about the delay, We been very busy with Xmas orders and Production has
been taking up Custom times. I think you spoke with our front desk person
and she said see us Sat 11:00 am 12/22 . I will take time out to install
your parts. One of the members told me you was having trouble getting
through.
Also ,"To All you AZVJC members" If you need any Repair work done, Gears,
Axle Conversions, Parts ect., We have moved and teamed up in our new
location with "KONG's 4x4 off road center" at: 2010 West Cheryl Drive,
Phoenix that's one block north of our old location. Kong's is a new business
headed by a great group of guys, Mark Mason, Dan Lewis and Jeff Covey.
Marks truck was on the cover of 4 wheel drive and sport utility a couple of
months ago TOYS on the rocks issue along with write-up. We recommend them
for any of your 4x4 needs. Their # 602-944-2411
You fellow Jeepers Have A Merry Christmas!
Wayne
O-R FAB
----- Original Message -----
From: "msa12171" <msa12171@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 8:51 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Attn: O-R Fab
> I've been trying to schedule a date to come in for some work, but
> have not had very good luck getting someone that is very interested.
> If someone on here works for O-R Fab, or knows someone, can you have
> them call me. Thanks.
>
> Mike Anderson
> 602-433-3740 wk
> 602-361-2259 cell
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37653 From: Steve Meyer <steve.j.meyer@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 7:05pm
Subject: Re: small wire feed welder wanted......any leads?
I have a MIG Hobart Handler 135 that I thinking about posssibly selling. I
am thinking of upgrading to a 220 MIG.
--Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Harmon" <xjnation@h...>
To: <arizonaXJ@yahoogroups.com>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 8:23 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] small wire feed welder wanted......any leads?
> hey all Ive got the welding bug again anybody now of a small mig wire feed
> welder for sale out there....needs to be able to handle 3/16" or 1/4"
steel.
>
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> Brian Harmon
> 88 XJ Laredo
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37654 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 8:18pm
Subject: [FS] need a '97 4.0 valve cover
Price:
Contact: mark
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37655 From: <bbowski66@a...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 3:28pm
Subject: (FS) FOR SALE CJ & SBC
Hello everybody, I have got a few CJ7 parts for sale since i have swapped engines and trans. I live in East Mesa off of power and brown.
-radiator from CJ w/ 2.5 4 cylinder, was just replaced before swap. 50 bucks or make
offer
-LIKE NEW CENTERFORCE pressure plate and 2 clutch discs from 2.5 GM 4 cyl with a T5 $75 FOR ALL.
-full soft doors from 82 CJ7 white in color MAKE OFFER
I also have 2 small block chevy intakes
-One is The "FAMOUS" edelbrock RPM Air-gap Intake Manifold, Designed for 1955-86 262-400 c.i.d. Chevrolet V8s. The award-winning RPM Air-Gap incorporates the same race-winning technology that's used on The Victor Series competition intakes. The air-gap design features an open air space that separates the runners from the hot engine oil resulting in a cooler, denser charge for more power. Includes rear water outlets, two distributor clamp locations and nitrous bosses. Accepts all 1976 and later alternator and A/C brackets for the street. The heater outlet boss is angled for proper fit over the valve cover. The temp sensor boss clears all waternecks. For square-bore carburetors only. No provision for exhaust-heated chokes and no exhaust crossover. Not for 1987 and later cast-iron heads I WOULD LIKE TO GET 150 for this
intake. It is like new
-I also have a dual plane aluminum holley for sale for 50 bucks
37656 From: <bbowski66@a...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 3:29pm
Subject: (FS) parts for CJ & SBC
Hello everybody, I have got a few CJ7 parts for sale since i have swapped engines and trans. I live in East Mesa off of power and brown.
-radiator from CJ w/ 2.5 4 cylinder, was just replaced before swap. 50 bucks or make
offer
-LIKE NEW CENTERFORCE pressure plate and 2 clutch discs from 2.5 GM 4 cyl with a T5 $75 FOR ALL.
-full soft doors from 82 CJ7 white in color MAKE OFFER
I also have 2 small block chevy intakes
-One is The "FAMOUS" edelbrock RPM Air-gap Intake Manifold, Designed for 1955-86 262-400 c.i.d. Chevrolet V8s. The award-winning RPM Air-Gap incorporates the same race-winning technology that's used on The Victor Series competition intakes. The air-gap design features an open air space that separates the runners from the hot engine oil resulting in a cooler, denser charge for more power. Includes rear water outlets, two distributor clamp locations and nitrous bosses. Accepts all 1976 and later alternator and A/C brackets for the street. The heater outlet boss is angled for proper fit over the valve cover. The temp sensor boss clears all waternecks. For square-bore carburetors only. No provision for exhaust-heated chokes and no exhaust crossover. Not for 1987 and later cast-iron heads I WOULD LIKE TO GET 150 for this
intake. It is like new
-I also have a dual plane aluminum holley for sale for 50 bucks
37657 From: Halverson <byrnec@q...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 8:42pm
Subject: OT car repairs
Hi-- Sorry about the OT post, I am wondering if anyone can tell me how to go about replacing the heater core in a '91 Berreta. This is my daughter's car, the heater is out and my mechanic tells me that the heater core is bad. He wants $650 to $700 to fix it. I called the Chevy dealer and a new core was about $70, so I went down and picked it up. I figured that for $600 I could put it in myself, but I have no idea where to start. Any one with experience in these? Maybe a website or forum where I can find out? Again, sorry about the OT, but I thought that maybe you guys could point me in the right direction. Thank you.
John Halverson
37658 From: dthorton_2000 <dt_horton@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 8:59pm
Subject: Yahoo! Groups is an advertising supported service.
I read the messages through the Yahoo Groups website instead
of dealing with receiving all the emails. I click on a link to read a
thread and get, "Yahoo! Groups is an advertising supported
service. Continue to message" I am presented with an ad that
would like me to mention the product name I'm sure. I have to
click on a link to continue on the the post I was trying to read.
This blows! I know it's a service sponsored by advertising but I'd
rather just have a slightly anoying banner off to the side.
It must be random, I went back to the topic and didn't have to
view the ad.
Dan
37659 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 9:08pm
Subject: Re: Yahoo! Groups is an advertising supported service.
Dan,
The same thing happened to me today a few times. Sometimes you have
to read the ad to continue and other times you don't.
Maybe we should set up a Yahoo mail account, set the mail account to
recieve every post and then read all the messages from there. This
way Yahoo would be the cause for people not reading there own ads,
wouldn't that be funny.
I am off on a mission, I have had enough.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "dthorton_2000" <dt_horton@h...> wrote:
> I read the messages through the Yahoo Groups website instead
> of dealing with receiving all the emails. I click on a link to read
a
> thread and get, "Yahoo! Groups is an advertising supported
> service. Continue to message" I am presented with an ad that
> would like me to mention the product name I'm sure. I have to
> click on a link to continue on the the post I was trying to read.
> This blows! I know it's a service sponsored by advertising but I'd
> rather just have a slightly anoying banner off to the side.
>
> It must be random, I went back to the topic and didn't have to
> view the ad.
>
> Dan
37660 From: Eric Kaufmann <edkmann@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 9:10pm
Subject: Whose White TJ from Raw Deal??????
Ok....I promised this guy a copy of this picture....he wrote down his name
and address for me and I lost it. This was from upper and lower Raw Deal
about two months ago....matt Wazny was along in his 2000 WJ, and I was in my
white 95 Grand.......
So....whoever this is, reply and I will get you a nice 5x7...it's already
printed and ready to send out to you...sorry about the wait....
Thanks
Eric Kaufmann
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37661 From: jetowle2000 <jetowle2000@y...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 9:30pm
Subject: Re: Whose White TJ from Raw Deal??????
Russell G. is right behind him.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Eric Kaufmann" <edkmann@h...> wrote:
> Ok....I promised this guy a copy of this picture....he wrote down
his name
> and address for me and I lost it. This was from upper and lower Raw
Deal
> about two months ago....matt Wazny was along in his 2000 WJ, and I
was in my
> white 95 Grand.......
>
> So....whoever this is, reply and I will get you a nice 5x7...it's
already
> printed and ready to send out to you...sorry about the wait....
>
>
> Thanks
> Eric Kaufmann
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37662 From: Mike Beach <mikebeach2002@y...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 11:01pm
Subject: Re: Whose White TJ from Raw Deal??????
Eric Kaufmann wrote:
> ATTACHMENT part 2 image/pjpeg name=rawdealwhitetj.jpg
thats Nick Gasmena's jeep
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37663 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 11:37pm
Subject: RE: ...and I lived to tell about it
Shaun,
That is why I never wheel without at least 1 other vehicle. Everyone that I
run with carries recovery gear and for the most part we all have winches.
It sounds like you had a bad ordeal and I feel sorry for you. What if you
had not been within walking distance of anywhere? That could have been your
death.
I hope you learned something from all of this. If you need any advice
regarding recovery equipment, and other survival related stuff I like to
carry feel free to email me direct.
Take care,
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: imagineero [mailto:imagineero@x...]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:57 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] ...and I lived to tell about it
I thought I'd publicly confess about something stupid that I did
recently. Feel free to skip this message, but I feel that it might offer a
small lesson in risk assessment.......
A few days ago I was heading home, I live in a fairly populated suburb, but
I pass through some areas where not many people live. I live in South
Korea which is composed of about 80% mountains so there's lots of
off-roading to be had, even in heavily populated areas. I'd just got some
new tires fitted to my jeep (baja claw) and was very keen to test them
out. I had been running second hand road tires for a couple of months and
before that BFG MT's. There's a small stream that I pass pretty much every
day and I'd often driven across it or along it, even in 2WD with road
tires. It's only about 6"~8" deep, but it's composed of bottomless gravel
and sand, so it's important to keep moving.
I decided to have a quick blast through it on my way home, so I drive off
the road and approached the stream as I had done many time in the past. I
didn't anticipate any problems, I'd been there many times before and
besides, it was only 100 yards from a main road, what could go wrong? I
entered the stream in 2wd, I have manual locking hubs and hadn't bothered
to engage them. All was fine, but suddenly my cell phone rang. Answering
it was a natural reflex, but when I paused to pick up the jeep suddenly
bogged. I gave it a little gas in the hope of getting it moving, but it
just dug in further. I dropped the phone, stopped and figured I'd better
engage 4WD. I climbed out, crawled over my rig and engaged the manual hub
locks, got back inside and went for 4Low. I have open diffs at both
ends. After carefully trying to drive out I succeeded only in bogging
myself further. It was about -15C outside and the stream was frozen in a
lot of places. It was about 11pm. I still hadn't really stopped to
consider what I was doing, but decided on impulse to air down. I got out
and aired down to maybe about 10psi (I run 20 on road). If I had paused to
consider it I would have realized that airing down would lower my rig. I
was now dug in to the axles front and rear. The exhaust was underwater.
I started to realize the seriousness of the situation, but was still
optimistic about getting out and driving home, this was after all just a
local stream and a small one at that. There were cars wizzing by not far
away. I had a quick think about what I had to work with; There was a
small 3 ton hydraulic jack, a headlamp, a shovel. I decided to try to dig
around the jeep a little and then drive out. I figured it would be best to
remove my sneakers. Into the water i went. It was cold, but it didn't
really feel that bad. I started digging, front and rear, I realized too
late (about 20 minutes later) that the whole rig was pretty much sitting on
the gravel (gas tank, axles, the whole works) and that the digging wasn't
doing me much good. I had a go at driving out again and only sunk
further. I started to realize how cold it was when I tried to open my door
and my hand got stuck to the steel. Skin got ripped off.
I got back inside and thawed my feet for a short time. I had kept the
engine running the whole time. I figured I'd have to jack the jeep up and
stick things under the wheels. I decided to put my shoes on since I'd got
a few cuts on my feet. I got out again and started scouting around the
area for materials. I was hoping for some nice long metal poles. I'd had
success in the past with leaving the jeep in gear and driving by itself
then levering it out with poles. It's surprisingly easy to lift the entire
front end of a rig off the ground given enough leverage. Unfortunately the
only thing I could find was concrete blocks which were cumbersome and
heavy. They were at an abandoned half demolished building about 200 yards
away. I started to carry the blocks back 2 at a time. 5 trips later (in a
T-shirt) I figured I had enough blocks.
I got back into the stream, and put a block under the rig to start jacking
from. I needed a lot of lift, but the jack only gave me maybe 5 inches at
a time. Getting enough lift to put a block under the tire required jacking
the rig up, blocking it, then putting another brick under the jack and
jacking again, maybe 3 or 4 times to get up enough. Multiply this by 4
wheels and I was finished about an hour and a half later. All this was
done half way up to my knees in water. I realized pretty quick that my
hands were sticking to stuff that was made of steel. I used some rags to
prevent this. All was done, and I was tired, I'd lost all feeling in my
feet but still didn't really consider this to be a serious situation. I
climbed back in the rig and tried carefully to drive out. The blocks were
pushed aside straight into the bottomless gravel and I was right back where
I started. I felt pretty down. I still didn't think of it as being and
emergency, though in retrospect I was in serious danger of hyperthermia
after having been exposed to the cold air and ice water for 2 hours running
with nothing more than a T-shirt to wear.
I had a tow rope, so I got up to the main road and flagged down a truck. I
noticed that it was difficult to walk at that time. The truck drove down,
but wouldn't go near the stream for fear of being bogged. The rope was
about 50 feet long and rated to 3 tonnes, but it didn't reach far
enough. He offered to call a tow truck and I accepted. I waited for the
tow truck to arrive. During this time I noticed that the water in my shoes
had frozen to ice. I tried to remove the shoes, this resulted in skin being
ripped off my feet. The tow truck arrived and refused to go anywhere near
the water. He said he could arrange for a tow out, but it would require a
large truck that would cost a few hundred dollars. I thanked him for his
time and told him I could take care of it myself. I was barefoot and still
in a T-shirt. Definitely not thinking clearly. The engine was still
running, but I was getting low on gas. I decided finally, to leave it and
return the next day. I turned off the engine, locked up and headed to
catch a taxi home. It cost me $30.
I tried hailing a cab for about 30 minutes, unfortunately being a foreigner
in a conservative asian country at 3am wearing a T-shirt with no shoes
didn't help much. I finally decide to start walking down the road
(barefoot) and arrived about 40 minutes later at a gas station where they
called a cab for me. After getting home I couldn't sleep, I was shivering,
and my feet felt as though they were on fire. I went down to the emergency
center at my local hospital, they told me I had mild hyper thermia and
frostbite in my feet. They gave me some shots, and soaked my feet in
water. I got home again, and managed to drift off to sleep. I was too
sick to go to work the next day.
I woke up late, and figured I could spend the day pulling my rig out. I
hunted around the peninsula and found a hi-lift jack distributor. They
wanted $170 for a 48" cast iron model. Highway robbery? Sure, but I
needed it. They wanted another $30 for 2 hour delivery. I rode my
motorbike down there, the stream had frozen over more. I decided to try
jacking the rig up further and putting more blocks under and then try
winching out (using the hi-lift). Jacking the rig up was Oh-so-easy using
the hi-lift. I could jack up both rear wheels at the same time, high
enough to put blocks under them. Same deal at the front. It took only 30
minutes to get the rig jacked and get it blocked, but while I was lowering
the rig onto the blocks I slipped on the ice and lost control of the
jack. It smashed one of my side windows. The rig was raised now, but it
wouldn't start. The battery was dead. This battery had been on its way
out for some time and I had never gotten around to replacing it. I was now
paying for not having replaced it. The rig had spent the night half
immersed in water and there was ice all over it. I called my local
mechanic and he agreed to come out and replace the battery. He got out and
installed it, it started up 1st go. I tried to wheel out, but again the
blocks were pushed away and the rig sunk straight down again. I needed
some other materials to work with, but there was nothing. The guy offered
to pull me out, he had come out in a jeep and said he'd do the outcall fee
plus the pull out for $100. I didn't have much choice. I got successfully
out, but while getting back onto the road i turned too sharp on my aired
down tires (about 3psi in them) and one dropped a bead on one of the
rears. I had to wheel about 3 miles down the road to the nearest gas
station to get air. There was no damage to the tires or the rims. Baja
Claws are remarkable tires. The water that had gotten into the valves
prevented me from putting air in them. I had to melt the ice off. Valve
covers are important. I had lost (the only copy of) my motorbike key while
in the river. I had to pay another $30 to have a locksmith drive out and
make up a new key.
I had finally gotten my rig out, but what was the cost? To the rig, only a
broken window and a battery (which needed replacing anyway) $150 all
up. To me? Frostbite in my feet, hyperthermia, a ligering cold, numerous
cuts and abrasions to my hands and feet. A hi-lift jack $200 including
delivery. $100 for a tow out fee. $30 for the taxi, $30 for the bike
key. $510 all up. I still can't walk without limping, but it should be
fine in a few more days.
Lessons learned? Hard to say. I had always thought of myself as a person
who can assess risk accurately. I have held a mountain rescue license for
the past 6 years and have participated in many rescues. I am usually the
one helping out others. Coming from Australia I was pretty unprepared for
dealing with the cold though. I had no idea of the dangers involved. I
just didn't stop to assess the situation, it seemed like it wasn't that
serious. The people in the hospital told me I could easily have lost a toe
or a finger to frostbite given the cold that I was exposed to.
*A hi lift jack is not an accessory, it's basic equipment.
*if you are going to play in water, expect to go for a swim
*valve covers will stop water from freezing up your valves
*carry water proof rubber shoes up to your knees if you want to play in
water.
*you can still get into trouble close to home, especially in the cold.
*don't be afraid to just walk away.
What would I do differently in the future given my hard-earned
knowledge? I'd avoid water in winter for a start. If I was going to play
then I'd engage my hub locks and 4wd before entering the nasty stuff. I'd
bring a buddy to help me out. I would definitely not enter the water
without water proof shoes.
Stay safe,
Shaun
South Korea
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37664 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 11:41pm
Subject: RE: ATTN: RICK BEER was RE: i am SOOO lucky, thanks desert rat.
I always check my lug nuts before I leave the tire shops parking lot. I also
check the tire pressure. When I get home I take out the torque wrench and
retorque them.
This is especially important when you get a new set of wheels.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@h...]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 6:44 PM
To: 'nilar708'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: ATTN: RICK BEER was RE: [az_vjc] i am SOOO lucky, thanks desert
rat.
Nick,
I suspect that our Discount Tire advocate Rick Beer will be somewhat
interested in this story.
I spent some time talking with the manager of Rick's store; and this is a
topic we discussed at length. Discount Tire takes these kind of mistakes
seriously... as they should since our lives depend on it.
Good thing you were not hurt.
Could you please tell everyone which Discount Tire you went to?
Kind Regards,
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nilar708 [mailto:squarelights@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 6:24 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] i am SOOO lucky, thanks desert rat.
>
>
> ok heres the deal...i was fortunate enough to be let out of jury duty
> earlier than expected. so i got in the jeep to go back home (mesa)
> on the way home the jeep was feeling alittle bit squirly. so i pulled
> over and inspected all of the welds, ubolts, shocks, and wheel
> bearings. all of it looked fine. so i got in the jeep and was
> driving the last three miles home. then about a mile from home at
> the intersection of broadway and alma school it was all over the
> road. i applied very little brake and started to merge off the road
> to an enterprise parking lot. when all of a sudden, "bing, crash,
> snap, grind, ka-pow. i was cruzing three-wheel motion. i skidded off
> into the drive way of enterprise with all tires minus the left rear.
> i look to my left and there goes my 35" bfg mt on 15x8 outlaw 1's
> full speed to the intersection. i jumped out of my jeep so fast i
> forgot to turn it off and put the break on, dont worry it wasn't
> going anywhere. here i am chasing my 35 down the street and i caught
> it just before it went into the busy intersection.
>
> so i went back to the jeep and saw that i had no lug nuts, my studs
> were still there, but no lugs. i had just gotten new rims put on by
> discount tire, a week ago. they will be getting a visit from me, you
> can be sure of that.
>
> i didn't have my hi-lift with me, friend borrowing it, but i was only
> 200 ft from desert rat. an attendant at enterprise saw the whole
> thing and gave me a ride home, a mile away. i got the wifes car went
> to desert rat. got to desert rat told the bro i had an emergency, no
> hi-lift and no lug nuts. he went to the back and brought out some
> lugs, and said leave me your credit card and i will let you borrow a
> new hi-lift. THIS WAS SO NICE OF THE GUY.
>
> called a friend and he was there in about 5 mins. put the tire back
> on took some witnesses names, and drove home.
>
> i am sooo lucky to have had no cars or pedestrians around at the time
> of the incident. or to be driving 70 mph on the freeway. and the
> nice guy at desert rat who went totally out of his way to help a
> total stranger yet fellow wheeler out. and a cool friend who dropped
> everything and hauled *** to help me out, can't forget the attendant
> at enterprise who gave me a ride home. so i was lucky today, i guess
> i had some extra karma today :)
>
> thanks for listening...dont forget to torque those lugs after you
> drive 25 miles from having the wheels off.
>
> nick l. one lucky 93 yj soa
>
>
>
>
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37665 From: Gary Holmes <niitoyis@w...>
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 4:13am
Subject: Re: From: O-R Fab and Kong's
Group:
I can vouch for the job Kong's does. I am extramely pleased with the lifi
installation and locker install they did and would not hesitate a minute to go
back to them.
Gary Holmes
Fab guys wrote:
> Hello Mike,
> Sorry about the delay, We been very busy with Xmas orders and Production has
> been taking up Custom times. I think you spoke with our front desk person
> and she said see us Sat 11:00 am 12/22 . I will take time out to install
> your parts. One of the members told me you was having trouble getting
> through.
>
> Also ,"To All you AZVJC members" If you need any Repair work done, Gears,
> Axle Conversions, Parts ect., We have moved and teamed up in our new
> location with "KONG's 4x4 off road center" at: 2010 West Cheryl Drive,
> Phoenix that's one block north of our old location. Kong's is a new business
> headed by a great group of guys, Mark Mason, Dan Lewis and Jeff Covey.
> Marks truck was on the cover of 4 wheel drive and sport utility a couple of
> months ago TOYS on the rocks issue along with write-up. We recommend them
> for any of your 4x4 needs. Their # 602-944-2411
>
> You fellow Jeepers Have A Merry Christmas!
>
> Wayne
> O-R FAB
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "msa12171" <msa12171@a...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 8:51 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Attn: O-R Fab
>
> > I've been trying to schedule a date to come in for some work, but
> > have not had very good luck getting someone that is very interested.
> > If someone on here works for O-R Fab, or knows someone, can you have
> > them call me. Thanks.
> >
> > Mike Anderson
> > 602-433-3740 wk
> > 602-361-2259 cell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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37666 From: Gary Holmes <niitoyis@w...>
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 4:13am
Subject: Re: From: O-R Fab and Kong's
Group:
I can vouch for the job Kong's does. I am extremely pleased with the lift
installation and locker install they did and would not hesitate a minute to go
back to them.
Gary Holmes
Fab guys wrote:
> Hello Mike,
> Sorry about the delay, We been very busy with Xmas orders and Production has
> been taking up Custom times. I think you spoke with our front desk person
> and she said see us Sat 11:00 am 12/22 . I will take time out to install
> your parts. One of the members told me you was having trouble getting
> through.
>
> Also ,"To All you AZVJC members" If you need any Repair work done, Gears,
> Axle Conversions, Parts ect., We have moved and teamed up in our new
> location with "KONG's 4x4 off road center" at: 2010 West Cheryl Drive,
> Phoenix that's one block north of our old location. Kong's is a new business
> headed by a great group of guys, Mark Mason, Dan Lewis and Jeff Covey.
> Marks truck was on the cover of 4 wheel drive and sport utility a couple of
> months ago TOYS on the rocks issue along with write-up. We recommend them
> for any of your 4x4 needs. Their # 602-944-2411
>
> You fellow Jeepers Have A Merry Christmas!
>
> Wayne
> O-R FAB
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 8:51 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Attn: O-R Fab
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> > I've been trying to schedule a date to come in for some work, but
> > have not had very good luck getting someone that is very interested.
> > If someone on here works for O-R Fab, or knows someone, can you have
> > them call me. Thanks.
> >
> > Mike Anderson
> > 602-433-3740 wk
> > 602-361-2259 cell
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37667 From: Ralph Williams <ralphbw@q...>
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 5:58am
Subject: Re: ...and I lived to tell about it
I feel that the biggest mistake was going into the stream in 2
wheel drive.
I have been stuck in 4 wheel drive vehicles (not mine) more times
than I care to think about in exactly the same manner.
The whole situation would have been avoided.
Ralph
Scott Kruize wrote:
>
> Shaun,
>
> That is why I never wheel without at least 1 other vehicle. Everyone that I
> run with carries recovery gear and for the most part we all have winches.
>
> It sounds like you had a bad ordeal and I feel sorry for you. What if you
> had not been within walking distance of anywhere? That could have been your
> death.
>
> I hope you learned something from all of this. If you need any advice
> regarding recovery equipment, and other survival related stuff I like to
> carry feel free to email me direct.
>
> Take care,
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: imagineero [mailto:imagineero@x...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:57 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] ...and I lived to tell about it
>
> I thought I'd publicly confess about something stupid that I did
> recently. Feel free to skip this message, but I feel that it might offer a
> small lesson in risk assessment.......
>
> A few days ago I was heading home, I live in a fairly populated suburb, but
> I pass through some areas where not many people live. I live in South
> Korea which is composed of about 80% mountains so there's lots of
> off-roading to be had, even in heavily populated areas. I'd just got some
> new tires fitted to my jeep (baja claw) and was very keen to test them
> out. I had been running second hand road tires for a couple of months and
> before that BFG MT's. There's a small stream that I pass pretty much every
> day and I'd often driven across it or along it, even in 2WD with road
> tires. It's only about 6"~8" deep, but it's composed of bottomless gravel
> and sand, so it's important to keep moving.
>
> I decided to have a quick blast through it on my way home, so I drive off
> the road and approached the stream as I had done many time in the past. I
> didn't anticipate any problems, I'd been there many times before and
> besides, it was only 100 yards from a main road, what could go wrong? I
> entered the stream in 2wd, I have manual locking hubs and hadn't bothered
> to engage them. All was fine, but suddenly my cell phone rang. Answering
> it was a natural reflex, but when I paused to pick up the jeep suddenly
> bogged. I gave it a little gas in the hope of getting it moving, but it
> just dug in further. I dropped the phone, stopped and figured I'd better
> engage 4WD. I climbed out, crawled over my rig and engaged the manual hub
> locks, got back inside and went for 4Low. I have open diffs at both
> ends. After carefully trying to drive out I succeeded only in bogging
> myself further. It was about -15C outside and the stream was frozen in a
> lot of places. It was about 11pm. I still hadn't really stopped to
> consider what I was doing, but decided on impulse to air down. I got out
> and aired down to maybe about 10psi (I run 20 on road). If I had paused to
> consider it I would have realized that airing down would lower my rig. I
> was now dug in to the axles front and rear. The exhaust was underwater.
>
> I started to realize the seriousness of the situation, but was still
> optimistic about getting out and driving home, this was after all just a
> local stream and a small one at that. There were cars wizzing by not far
> away. I had a quick think about what I had to work with; There was a
> small 3 ton hydraulic jack, a headlamp, a shovel. I decided to try to dig
> around the jeep a little and then drive out. I figured it would be best to
> remove my sneakers. Into the water i went. It was cold, but it didn't
> really feel that bad. I started digging, front and rear, I realized too
> late (about 20 minutes later) that the whole rig was pretty much sitting on
> the gravel (gas tank, axles, the whole works) and that the digging wasn't
> doing me much good. I had a go at driving out again and only sunk
> further. I started to realize how cold it was when I tried to open my door
> and my hand got stuck to the steel. Skin got ripped off.
>
> I got back inside and thawed my feet for a short time. I had kept the
> engine running the whole time. I figured I'd have to jack the jeep up and
> stick things under the wheels. I decided to put my shoes on since I'd got
> a few cuts on my feet. I got out again and started scouting around the
> area for materials. I was hoping for some nice long metal poles. I'd had
> success in the past with leaving the jeep in gear and driving by itself
> then levering it out with poles. It's surprisingly easy to lift the entire
> front end of a rig off the ground given enough leverage. Unfortunately the
> only thing I could find was concrete blocks which were cumbersome and
> heavy. They were at an abandoned half demolished building about 200 yards
> away. I started to carry the blocks back 2 at a time. 5 trips later (in a
> T-shirt) I figured I had enough blocks.
>
> I got back into the stream, and put a block under the rig to start jacking
> from. I needed a lot of lift, but the jack only gave me maybe 5 inches at
> a time. Getting enough lift to put a block under the tire required jacking
> the rig up, blocking it, then putting another brick under the jack and
> jacking again, maybe 3 or 4 times to get up enough. Multiply this by 4
> wheels and I was finished about an hour and a half later. All this was
> done half way up to my knees in water. I realized pretty quick that my
> hands were sticking to stuff that was made of steel. I used some rags to
> prevent this. All was done, and I was tired, I'd lost all feeling in my
> feet but still didn't really consider this to be a serious situation. I
> climbed back in the rig and tried carefully to drive out. The blocks were
> pushed aside straight into the bottomless gravel and I was right back where
> I started. I felt pretty down. I still didn't think of it as being and
> emergency, though in retrospect I was in serious danger of hyperthermia
> after having been exposed to the cold air and ice water for 2 hours running
> with nothing more than a T-shirt to wear.
>
> I had a tow rope, so I got up to the main road and flagged down a truck. I
> noticed that it was difficult to walk at that time. The truck drove down,
> but wouldn't go near the stream for fear of being bogged. The rope was
> about 50 feet long and rated to 3 tonnes, but it didn't reach far
> enough. He offered to call a tow truck and I accepted. I waited for the
> tow truck to arrive. During this time I noticed that the water in my shoes
> had frozen to ice. I tried to remove the shoes, this resulted in skin being
> ripped off my feet. The tow truck arrived and refused to go anywhere near
> the water. He said he could arrange for a tow out, but it would require a
> large truck that would cost a few hundred dollars. I thanked him for his
> time and told him I could take care of it myself. I was barefoot and still
> in a T-shirt. Definitely not thinking clearly. The engine was still
> running, but I was getting low on gas. I decided finally, to leave it and
> return the next day. I turned off the engine, locked up and headed to
> catch a taxi home. It cost me $30.
>
> I tried hailing a cab for about 30 minutes, unfortunately being a foreigner
> in a conservative asian country at 3am wearing a T-shirt with no shoes
> didn't help much. I finally decide to start walking down the road
> (barefoot) and arrived about 40 minutes later at a gas station where they
> called a cab for me. After getting home I couldn't sleep, I was shivering,
> and my feet felt as though they were on fire. I went down to the emergency
> center at my local hospital, they told me I had mild hyper thermia and
> frostbite in my feet. They gave me some shots, and soaked my feet in
> water. I got home again, and managed to drift off to sleep. I was too
> sick to go to work the next day.
>
> I woke up late, and figured I could spend the day pulling my rig out. I
> hunted around the peninsula and found a hi-lift jack distributor. They
> wanted $170 for a 48" cast iron model. Highway robbery? Sure, but I
> needed it. They wanted another $30 for 2 hour delivery. I rode my
> motorbike down there, the stream had frozen over more. I decided to try
> jacking the rig up further and putting more blocks under and then try
> winching out (using the hi-lift). Jacking the rig up was Oh-so-easy using
> the hi-lift. I could jack up both rear wheels at the same time, high
> enough to put blocks under them. Same deal at the front. It took only 30
> minutes to get the rig jacked and get it blocked, but while I was lowering
> the rig onto the blocks I slipped on the ice and lost control of the
> jack. It smashed one of my side windows. The rig was raised now, but it
> wouldn't start. The battery was dead. This battery had been on its way
> out for some time and I had never gotten around to replacing it. I was now
> paying for not having replaced it. The rig had spent the night half
> immersed in water and there was ice all over it. I called my local
> mechanic and he agreed to come out and replace the battery. He got out and
> installed it, it started up 1st go. I tried to wheel out, but again the
> blocks were pushed away and the rig sunk straight down again. I needed
> some other materials to work with, but there was nothing. The guy offered
> to pull me out, he had come out in a jeep and said he'd do the outcall fee
> plus the pull out for $100. I didn't have much choice. I got successfully
> out, but while getting back onto the road i turned too sharp on my aired
> down tires (about 3psi in them) and one dropped a bead on one of the
> rears. I had to wheel about 3 miles down the road to the nearest gas
> station to get air. There was no damage to the tires or the rims. Baja
> Claws are remarkable tires. The water that had gotten into the valves
> prevented me from putting air in them. I had to melt the ice off. Valve
> covers are important. I had lost (the only copy of) my motorbike key while
> in the river. I had to pay another $30 to have a locksmith drive out and
> make up a new key.
>
> I had finally gotten my rig out, but what was the cost? To the rig, only a
> broken window and a battery (which needed replacing anyway) $150 all
> up. To me? Frostbite in my feet, hyperthermia, a ligering cold, numerous
> cuts and abrasions to my hands and feet. A hi-lift jack $200 including
> delivery. $100 for a tow out fee. $30 for the taxi, $30 for the bike
> key. $510 all up. I still can't walk without limping, but it should be
> fine in a few more days.
>
> Lessons learned? Hard to say. I had always thought of myself as a person
> who can assess risk accurately. I have held a mountain rescue license for
> the past 6 years and have participated in many rescues. I am usually the
> one helping out others. Coming from Australia I was pretty unprepared for
> dealing with the cold though. I had no idea of the dangers involved. I
> just didn't stop to assess the situation, it seemed like it wasn't that
> serious. The people in the hospital told me I could easily have lost a toe
> or a finger to frostbite given the cold that I was exposed to.
>
> *A hi lift jack is not an accessory, it's basic equipment.
> *if you are going to play in water, expect to go for a swim
> *valve covers will stop water from freezing up your valves
> *carry water proof rubber shoes up to your knees if you want to play in
> water.
> *you can still get into trouble close to home, especially in the cold.
> *don't be afraid to just walk away.
>
> What would I do differently in the future given my hard-earned
> knowledge? I'd avoid water in winter for a start. If I was going to play
> then I'd engage my hub locks and 4wd before entering the nasty stuff. I'd
> bring a buddy to help me out. I would definitely not enter the water
> without water proof shoes.
>
> Stay safe,
> Shaun
> South Korea
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37668 From: David R. W. Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 6:05am
Subject: RE: ATTN: RICK BEER was RE: i am SOOO lucky, thanks desert rat.
You know, I always take my tj back the next day to have them re-torque
the lugs. Then about a week after. And there is always one that isn't
at the right torque. The managers in the Ahwatukee store never make me
wait. Just say pull it up and I'll be right there.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@e...]
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 12:41 AM
To: arizonajeep@h...; 'nilar708'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: ATTN: RICK BEER was RE: [az_vjc] i am SOOO lucky, thanks
desert rat.
I always check my lug nuts before I leave the tire shops parking lot. I
also check the tire pressure. When I get home I take out the torque
wrench and retorque them.
This is especially important when you get a new set of wheels.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@h...]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 6:44 PM
To: 'nilar708'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: ATTN: RICK BEER was RE: [az_vjc] i am SOOO lucky, thanks desert
rat.
Nick,
I suspect that our Discount Tire advocate Rick Beer will be somewhat
interested in this story. I spent some time talking with the manager of
Rick's store; and this is a topic we discussed at length. Discount Tire
takes these kind of mistakes seriously... as they should since our lives
depend on it.
Good thing you were not hurt.
Could you please tell everyone which Discount Tire you went to?
Kind Regards,
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nilar708 [mailto:squarelights@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 6:24 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] i am SOOO lucky, thanks desert rat.
>
>
> ok heres the deal...i was fortunate enough to be let out of jury duty
> earlier than expected. so i got in the jeep to go back home (mesa) on
> the way home the jeep was feeling alittle bit squirly. so i pulled
> over and inspected all of the welds, ubolts, shocks, and wheel
> bearings. all of it looked fine. so i got in the jeep and was
> driving the last three miles home. then about a mile from home at the
> intersection of broadway and alma school it was all over the road. i
> applied very little brake and started to merge off the road to an
> enterprise parking lot. when all of a sudden, "bing, crash, snap,
> grind, ka-pow. i was cruzing three-wheel motion. i skidded off into
> the drive way of enterprise with all tires minus the left rear. i look
> to my left and there goes my 35" bfg mt on 15x8 outlaw 1's full speed
> to the intersection. i jumped out of my jeep so fast i forgot to
> turn it off and put the break on, dont worry it wasn't going anywhere.
> here i am chasing my 35 down the street and i caught it just before it
> went into the busy intersection.
>
> so i went back to the jeep and saw that i had no lug nuts, my studs
> were still there, but no lugs. i had just gotten new rims put on by
> discount tire, a week ago. they will be getting a visit from me, you
> can be sure of that.
>
> i didn't have my hi-lift with me, friend borrowing it, but i was only
> 200 ft from desert rat. an attendant at enterprise saw the whole thing
> and gave me a ride home, a mile away. i got the wifes car went to
> desert rat. got to desert rat told the bro i had an emergency, no
> hi-lift and no lug nuts. he went to the back and brought out some
> lugs, and said leave me your credit card and i will let you borrow a
> new hi-lift. THIS WAS SO NICE OF THE GUY.
>
> called a friend and he was there in about 5 mins. put the tire back
> on took some witnesses names, and drove home.
>
> i am sooo lucky to have had no cars or pedestrians around at the time
> of the incident. or to be driving 70 mph on the freeway. and the
> nice guy at desert rat who went totally out of his way to help a total
> stranger yet fellow wheeler out. and a cool friend who dropped
> everything and hauled *** to help me out, can't forget the attendant
> at enterprise who gave me a ride home. so i was lucky today, i guess
> i had some extra karma today :)
>
> thanks for listening...dont forget to torque those lugs after you
> drive 25 miles from having the wheels off.
>
> nick l. one lucky 93 yj soa
>
>
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37669 From: imagineero <imagineero@x...>
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 6:08am
Subject: shackle lift?
If I were to go with a mild shackle lift (say 1 1/2" longer shackles which
would give about 1" of real world lift) then what would be the consequences
of not using longer shocks? As an aside, after looking at my current
shackles it is totally obvious that they are bolted up way too tight. They
don't rotate at all with flex giving them more stress. When I replace the
shackles I'd like to put in slightly longer bolts with some nylock nuts so
the bolt doesn't have to be 'too' tight. What's the deal with all this
'grade 8' bolt stuff, and will the nylock nuts come undone by themselves if
not tightened enough?
Thanks as always,
Shaun
South Korea
37670 From: paparoach85251 <lespaparoach@m...>
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 6:22am
Subject: Roosevelt Alignment
Chalk me up as another satisfied customer of Roosevelt Alignment. I
took the baby hauler (my 96 ford taurus grocery getter) in last week
for an alignment. While working on the car, Joe and Vince found a
leaking oil gasket and leak in the coolant reservoir. Not the best
time of year to find out you need major repairs. However, the work
needed to be done so I made an appointment for this week. Joe and
Vince finished the work on time and at over a hundred dollars LESS
than they had originally quoted. Joe even squeezed in my TJ for a
badly needed alignment yesterday afternoon. I especially like the
fact that I got to stand in the bay while they worked on the TJ and
talk jeeps. I got to meet another fellow club member Jim aka Hackle
who was there for an alignment also. I can't say enough positive
things about my experience with their shop. I will definitely go back
to Roosevelt for any automotive repairs I need in the future.
Thanks Joe and Vince!
Hope to see you guys on the trail real soon.
Les Roach
37671 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 6:40am
Subject: RE: OT car repairs
John,
The reason that this job is so expensive is because most likely, you have to take the entire dash, instrument panel, and supporting structure out to get to the heater core.
This was the case with my wife's 97 Mustang. In order to get the heater core out, the ENTIRE dash structure from the firewall back had to be removed.
Isn't this a great example of built-in obsolescence? The engineers at GM (Ford) could have EASILY designed a heater core which can be removed from the engine compartment side of the firewall... but it would probably cost a couple of dollars more so... we'll let the consumer pick up the cost since we're confident that the heater core will not fail under warranty.
Can you tell that this subject pisses me off?
Good luck... and by the way; I absolutely WOULD NOT recommend that you try to do this job yourself... it is an absolute nightmare.
(Oh... and by the way... look at the firewall passenger side where the heater hoses enter the vehicle and make sure that you can't just unbolt a sheetmetal panel to get the heater core out. Also... purchase a GOOD factory manual for your Berreta (can do online). If you have any more questions... call me (602) 524-7632.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Halverson [mailto:byrnec@qwest.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:43 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] OT car repairs
Hi-- Sorry about the OT post, I am wondering if anyone can tell me how to go about replacing the heater core in a '91 Berreta. This is my daughter's car, the heater is out and my mechanic tells me that the heater core is bad. He wants $650 to $700 to fix it. I called the Chevy dealer and a new core was about $70, so I went down and picked it up. I figured that for $600 I could put it in myself, but I have no idea where to start. Any one with experience in these? Maybe a website or forum where I can find out? Again, sorry about the OT, but I thought that maybe you guys could point me in the right direction. Thank you.
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37672 From: Fred <fredtj@h...>
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 6:59am
Subject: Re: Problems with Jeep saging
Mmmmm, shocks won't really make the vehicle higher. They can stiffen up
the ride and reduce body roll, but they won't really raise the vehicle.
Sounds like you just have too much weight in the rear of the vehicle,
and too much hanging way out past the rear. That's a problem with Jeeps,
too much weight in the rear. Those tire carriers that hang the spare
wayyyy off the back, to me, can be problematic when combined with a
large sized spare, and then throw a couple of 5 gallon gas cans out
there, and the Jeep starts acting like a Tonka Toy truck ;) I don't
like how SWB Jeeps drive, especially off road, in rocks, with a lot of
weight in the rear. We (the local club in Tucson) had one end up sitting
on the rear tire, pointing straight up in the air at the Step at
Charloureau Gap.
Anyway, spring stiffness really doesn't have too much to do with the
spring load rate. You probably need springs with a higher load rate, if
you want to hang that much weight off the rear.
It's really tough trying to carry stuff in SWB Jeeps. I've spent a lot
of time trying to figure ways to keep weight out of the rear.
Anway, I don't know what kind of Jeep you have, but if it's a TJ, you
can use some spring spacers in the rear, to level it out, if it's a leaf
spring, maybe something like a add a leaf, or just new springs.
Cheers,
Fred
stallonedev wrote:
>I just finished making my tire carrier, it came out so nice however
>it is making my whole back end sag, and it feels like I am towing
>something behind me anybody have any suggestions to what I should do.
>The tire carrier holds two jerry cans and sticks out pretty far. I am
>thinking about making another tire carrier, but I worked so hard in
>making this one that I do not want to make another. I am installing
>new shocks RS9000 right now to see if it will correct my problem but
>I think its my springs that are really soft. Anybody have any ideas
>on what I can do to stop the sag. I have a 3in blk diamond
>lift. Thanks Anthony.
>
>
>
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37673 From: Joey Martinez <joey@w...>
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 7:22am
Subject: Member Siting
White TJ (I think, didn't get a good look, just saw the sticker) around 78th St and McDowell, in Scottsdale, going East.
Here's your wave!!
Joey
94XJ
37674 From: Scott Thomas <sthomas@a...>
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 7:29am
Subject: RE: Member Siting
Hey Joey I think that might have been me. I was over there this morning picking up a friend at the BMW dealership. Here's your wave.
Scott Thomas
97' Tj
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From: Joey Martinez [mailto:joey@webtechs.net]
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 8:23 AM
To: jeepclub
Subject: [az_vjc] Member Siting
White TJ (I think, didn't get a good look, just saw the sticker) around 78th St and McDowell, in Scottsdale, going East.
Here's your wave!!
Joey
94XJ
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37675 From: Joey Martinez <joey@w...>
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 7:59am
Subject: recomendations
I want to get my XJ a little higher but don't want change out my Ranco 9000's, is the only way to go a body lift? And if so what doe that entail?
TIA
Joey
94XJ
37676 From: jetowle2000 <jetowle2000@y...>
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 8:04am
Subject: What would you do?
Here's the deal...
I didn't tell my wife I was getting the SYE. It came yesterday in
this nice little box that weighs about 35 pounds.
Should I:
a) Wrap it and put it under the tree from Santa?
or
b) Install it and not say anything?
You make the call.
--James
37652 From: Fab guys <fabguys@o...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 7:00pm
Subject: From: O-R Fab and Kong's
Hello Mike,
Sorry about the delay, We been very busy with Xmas orders and Production has
been taking up Custom times. I think you spoke with our front desk person
and she said see us Sat 11:00 am 12/22 . I will take time out to install
your parts. One of the members told me you was having trouble getting
through.
Also ,"To All you AZVJC members" If you need any Repair work done, Gears,
Axle Conversions, Parts ect., We have moved and teamed up in our new
location with "KONG's 4x4 off road center" at: 2010 West Cheryl Drive,
Phoenix that's one block north of our old location. Kong's is a new business
headed by a great group of guys, Mark Mason, Dan Lewis and Jeff Covey.
Marks truck was on the cover of 4 wheel drive and sport utility a couple of
months ago TOYS on the rocks issue along with write-up. We recommend them
for any of your 4x4 needs. Their # 602-944-2411
You fellow Jeepers Have A Merry Christmas!
Wayne
O-R FAB
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Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 8:51 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Attn: O-R Fab
> I've been trying to schedule a date to come in for some work, but
> have not had very good luck getting someone that is very interested.
> If someone on here works for O-R Fab, or knows someone, can you have
> them call me. Thanks.
>
> Mike Anderson
> 602-433-3740 wk
> 602-361-2259 cell
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37653 From: Steve Meyer <steve.j.meyer@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 7:05pm
Subject: Re: small wire feed welder wanted......any leads?
I have a MIG Hobart Handler 135 that I thinking about posssibly selling. I
am thinking of upgrading to a 220 MIG.
--Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Harmon" <xjnation@h...>
To: <arizonaXJ@yahoogroups.com>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 8:23 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] small wire feed welder wanted......any leads?
> hey all Ive got the welding bug again anybody now of a small mig wire feed
> welder for sale out there....needs to be able to handle 3/16" or 1/4"
steel.
>
>
>
> Brian Harmon
> 88 XJ Laredo
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37654 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 8:18pm
Subject: [FS] need a '97 4.0 valve cover
Price:
Contact: mark
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37655 From: <bbowski66@a...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 3:28pm
Subject: (FS) FOR SALE CJ & SBC
Hello everybody, I have got a few CJ7 parts for sale since i have swapped engines and trans. I live in East Mesa off of power and brown.
-radiator from CJ w/ 2.5 4 cylinder, was just replaced before swap. 50 bucks or make
offer
-LIKE NEW CENTERFORCE pressure plate and 2 clutch discs from 2.5 GM 4 cyl with a T5 $75 FOR ALL.
-full soft doors from 82 CJ7 white in color MAKE OFFER
I also have 2 small block chevy intakes
-One is The "FAMOUS" edelbrock RPM Air-gap Intake Manifold, Designed for 1955-86 262-400 c.i.d. Chevrolet V8s. The award-winning RPM Air-Gap incorporates the same race-winning technology that's used on The Victor Series competition intakes. The air-gap design features an open air space that separates the runners from the hot engine oil resulting in a cooler, denser charge for more power. Includes rear water outlets, two distributor clamp locations and nitrous bosses. Accepts all 1976 and later alternator and A/C brackets for the street. The heater outlet boss is angled for proper fit over the valve cover. The temp sensor boss clears all waternecks. For square-bore carburetors only. No provision for exhaust-heated chokes and no exhaust crossover. Not for 1987 and later cast-iron heads I WOULD LIKE TO GET 150 for this
intake. It is like new
-I also have a dual plane aluminum holley for sale for 50 bucks
37656 From: <bbowski66@a...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 3:29pm
Subject: (FS) parts for CJ & SBC
Hello everybody, I have got a few CJ7 parts for sale since i have swapped engines and trans. I live in East Mesa off of power and brown.
-radiator from CJ w/ 2.5 4 cylinder, was just replaced before swap. 50 bucks or make
offer
-LIKE NEW CENTERFORCE pressure plate and 2 clutch discs from 2.5 GM 4 cyl with a T5 $75 FOR ALL.
-full soft doors from 82 CJ7 white in color MAKE OFFER
I also have 2 small block chevy intakes
-One is The "FAMOUS" edelbrock RPM Air-gap Intake Manifold, Designed for 1955-86 262-400 c.i.d. Chevrolet V8s. The award-winning RPM Air-Gap incorporates the same race-winning technology that's used on The Victor Series competition intakes. The air-gap design features an open air space that separates the runners from the hot engine oil resulting in a cooler, denser charge for more power. Includes rear water outlets, two distributor clamp locations and nitrous bosses. Accepts all 1976 and later alternator and A/C brackets for the street. The heater outlet boss is angled for proper fit over the valve cover. The temp sensor boss clears all waternecks. For square-bore carburetors only. No provision for exhaust-heated chokes and no exhaust crossover. Not for 1987 and later cast-iron heads I WOULD LIKE TO GET 150 for this
intake. It is like new
-I also have a dual plane aluminum holley for sale for 50 bucks
37657 From: Halverson <byrnec@q...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 8:42pm
Subject: OT car repairs
Hi-- Sorry about the OT post, I am wondering if anyone can tell me how to go about replacing the heater core in a '91 Berreta. This is my daughter's car, the heater is out and my mechanic tells me that the heater core is bad. He wants $650 to $700 to fix it. I called the Chevy dealer and a new core was about $70, so I went down and picked it up. I figured that for $600 I could put it in myself, but I have no idea where to start. Any one with experience in these? Maybe a website or forum where I can find out? Again, sorry about the OT, but I thought that maybe you guys could point me in the right direction. Thank you.
John Halverson
37658 From: dthorton_2000 <dt_horton@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 8:59pm
Subject: Yahoo! Groups is an advertising supported service.
I read the messages through the Yahoo Groups website instead
of dealing with receiving all the emails. I click on a link to read a
thread and get, "Yahoo! Groups is an advertising supported
service. Continue to message" I am presented with an ad that
would like me to mention the product name I'm sure. I have to
click on a link to continue on the the post I was trying to read.
This blows! I know it's a service sponsored by advertising but I'd
rather just have a slightly anoying banner off to the side.
It must be random, I went back to the topic and didn't have to
view the ad.
Dan
37659 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 9:08pm
Subject: Re: Yahoo! Groups is an advertising supported service.
Dan,
The same thing happened to me today a few times. Sometimes you have
to read the ad to continue and other times you don't.
Maybe we should set up a Yahoo mail account, set the mail account to
recieve every post and then read all the messages from there. This
way Yahoo would be the cause for people not reading there own ads,
wouldn't that be funny.
I am off on a mission, I have had enough.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "dthorton_2000" <dt_horton@h...> wrote:
> I read the messages through the Yahoo Groups website instead
> of dealing with receiving all the emails. I click on a link to read
a
> thread and get, "Yahoo! Groups is an advertising supported
> service. Continue to message" I am presented with an ad that
> would like me to mention the product name I'm sure. I have to
> click on a link to continue on the the post I was trying to read.
> This blows! I know it's a service sponsored by advertising but I'd
> rather just have a slightly anoying banner off to the side.
>
> It must be random, I went back to the topic and didn't have to
> view the ad.
>
> Dan
37660 From: Eric Kaufmann <edkmann@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 9:10pm
Subject: Whose White TJ from Raw Deal??????
Ok....I promised this guy a copy of this picture....he wrote down his name
and address for me and I lost it. This was from upper and lower Raw Deal
about two months ago....matt Wazny was along in his 2000 WJ, and I was in my
white 95 Grand.......
So....whoever this is, reply and I will get you a nice 5x7...it's already
printed and ready to send out to you...sorry about the wait....
Thanks
Eric Kaufmann
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37661 From: jetowle2000 <jetowle2000@y...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 9:30pm
Subject: Re: Whose White TJ from Raw Deal??????
Russell G. is right behind him.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Eric Kaufmann" <edkmann@h...> wrote:
> Ok....I promised this guy a copy of this picture....he wrote down
his name
> and address for me and I lost it. This was from upper and lower Raw
Deal
> about two months ago....matt Wazny was along in his 2000 WJ, and I
was in my
> white 95 Grand.......
>
> So....whoever this is, reply and I will get you a nice 5x7...it's
already
> printed and ready to send out to you...sorry about the wait....
>
>
> Thanks
> Eric Kaufmann
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37662 From: Mike Beach <mikebeach2002@y...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 11:01pm
Subject: Re: Whose White TJ from Raw Deal??????
Eric Kaufmann wrote:
> ATTACHMENT part 2 image/pjpeg name=rawdealwhitetj.jpg
thats Nick Gasmena's jeep
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37663 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 11:37pm
Subject: RE: ...and I lived to tell about it
Shaun,
That is why I never wheel without at least 1 other vehicle. Everyone that I
run with carries recovery gear and for the most part we all have winches.
It sounds like you had a bad ordeal and I feel sorry for you. What if you
had not been within walking distance of anywhere? That could have been your
death.
I hope you learned something from all of this. If you need any advice
regarding recovery equipment, and other survival related stuff I like to
carry feel free to email me direct.
Take care,
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: imagineero [mailto:imagineero@x...]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:57 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] ...and I lived to tell about it
I thought I'd publicly confess about something stupid that I did
recently. Feel free to skip this message, but I feel that it might offer a
small lesson in risk assessment.......
A few days ago I was heading home, I live in a fairly populated suburb, but
I pass through some areas where not many people live. I live in South
Korea which is composed of about 80% mountains so there's lots of
off-roading to be had, even in heavily populated areas. I'd just got some
new tires fitted to my jeep (baja claw) and was very keen to test them
out. I had been running second hand road tires for a couple of months and
before that BFG MT's. There's a small stream that I pass pretty much every
day and I'd often driven across it or along it, even in 2WD with road
tires. It's only about 6"~8" deep, but it's composed of bottomless gravel
and sand, so it's important to keep moving.
I decided to have a quick blast through it on my way home, so I drive off
the road and approached the stream as I had done many time in the past. I
didn't anticipate any problems, I'd been there many times before and
besides, it was only 100 yards from a main road, what could go wrong? I
entered the stream in 2wd, I have manual locking hubs and hadn't bothered
to engage them. All was fine, but suddenly my cell phone rang. Answering
it was a natural reflex, but when I paused to pick up the jeep suddenly
bogged. I gave it a little gas in the hope of getting it moving, but it
just dug in further. I dropped the phone, stopped and figured I'd better
engage 4WD. I climbed out, crawled over my rig and engaged the manual hub
locks, got back inside and went for 4Low. I have open diffs at both
ends. After carefully trying to drive out I succeeded only in bogging
myself further. It was about -15C outside and the stream was frozen in a
lot of places. It was about 11pm. I still hadn't really stopped to
consider what I was doing, but decided on impulse to air down. I got out
and aired down to maybe about 10psi (I run 20 on road). If I had paused to
consider it I would have realized that airing down would lower my rig. I
was now dug in to the axles front and rear. The exhaust was underwater.
I started to realize the seriousness of the situation, but was still
optimistic about getting out and driving home, this was after all just a
local stream and a small one at that. There were cars wizzing by not far
away. I had a quick think about what I had to work with; There was a
small 3 ton hydraulic jack, a headlamp, a shovel. I decided to try to dig
around the jeep a little and then drive out. I figured it would be best to
remove my sneakers. Into the water i went. It was cold, but it didn't
really feel that bad. I started digging, front and rear, I realized too
late (about 20 minutes later) that the whole rig was pretty much sitting on
the gravel (gas tank, axles, the whole works) and that the digging wasn't
doing me much good. I had a go at driving out again and only sunk
further. I started to realize how cold it was when I tried to open my door
and my hand got stuck to the steel. Skin got ripped off.
I got back inside and thawed my feet for a short time. I had kept the
engine running the whole time. I figured I'd have to jack the jeep up and
stick things under the wheels. I decided to put my shoes on since I'd got
a few cuts on my feet. I got out again and started scouting around the
area for materials. I was hoping for some nice long metal poles. I'd had
success in the past with leaving the jeep in gear and driving by itself
then levering it out with poles. It's surprisingly easy to lift the entire
front end of a rig off the ground given enough leverage. Unfortunately the
only thing I could find was concrete blocks which were cumbersome and
heavy. They were at an abandoned half demolished building about 200 yards
away. I started to carry the blocks back 2 at a time. 5 trips later (in a
T-shirt) I figured I had enough blocks.
I got back into the stream, and put a block under the rig to start jacking
from. I needed a lot of lift, but the jack only gave me maybe 5 inches at
a time. Getting enough lift to put a block under the tire required jacking
the rig up, blocking it, then putting another brick under the jack and
jacking again, maybe 3 or 4 times to get up enough. Multiply this by 4
wheels and I was finished about an hour and a half later. All this was
done half way up to my knees in water. I realized pretty quick that my
hands were sticking to stuff that was made of steel. I used some rags to
prevent this. All was done, and I was tired, I'd lost all feeling in my
feet but still didn't really consider this to be a serious situation. I
climbed back in the rig and tried carefully to drive out. The blocks were
pushed aside straight into the bottomless gravel and I was right back where
I started. I felt pretty down. I still didn't think of it as being and
emergency, though in retrospect I was in serious danger of hyperthermia
after having been exposed to the cold air and ice water for 2 hours running
with nothing more than a T-shirt to wear.
I had a tow rope, so I got up to the main road and flagged down a truck. I
noticed that it was difficult to walk at that time. The truck drove down,
but wouldn't go near the stream for fear of being bogged. The rope was
about 50 feet long and rated to 3 tonnes, but it didn't reach far
enough. He offered to call a tow truck and I accepted. I waited for the
tow truck to arrive. During this time I noticed that the water in my shoes
had frozen to ice. I tried to remove the shoes, this resulted in skin being
ripped off my feet. The tow truck arrived and refused to go anywhere near
the water. He said he could arrange for a tow out, but it would require a
large truck that would cost a few hundred dollars. I thanked him for his
time and told him I could take care of it myself. I was barefoot and still
in a T-shirt. Definitely not thinking clearly. The engine was still
running, but I was getting low on gas. I decided finally, to leave it and
return the next day. I turned off the engine, locked up and headed to
catch a taxi home. It cost me $30.
I tried hailing a cab for about 30 minutes, unfortunately being a foreigner
in a conservative asian country at 3am wearing a T-shirt with no shoes
didn't help much. I finally decide to start walking down the road
(barefoot) and arrived about 40 minutes later at a gas station where they
called a cab for me. After getting home I couldn't sleep, I was shivering,
and my feet felt as though they were on fire. I went down to the emergency
center at my local hospital, they told me I had mild hyper thermia and
frostbite in my feet. They gave me some shots, and soaked my feet in
water. I got home again, and managed to drift off to sleep. I was too
sick to go to work the next day.
I woke up late, and figured I could spend the day pulling my rig out. I
hunted around the peninsula and found a hi-lift jack distributor. They
wanted $170 for a 48" cast iron model. Highway robbery? Sure, but I
needed it. They wanted another $30 for 2 hour delivery. I rode my
motorbike down there, the stream had frozen over more. I decided to try
jacking the rig up further and putting more blocks under and then try
winching out (using the hi-lift). Jacking the rig up was Oh-so-easy using
the hi-lift. I could jack up both rear wheels at the same time, high
enough to put blocks under them. Same deal at the front. It took only 30
minutes to get the rig jacked and get it blocked, but while I was lowering
the rig onto the blocks I slipped on the ice and lost control of the
jack. It smashed one of my side windows. The rig was raised now, but it
wouldn't start. The battery was dead. This battery had been on its way
out for some time and I had never gotten around to replacing it. I was now
paying for not having replaced it. The rig had spent the night half
immersed in water and there was ice all over it. I called my local
mechanic and he agreed to come out and replace the battery. He got out and
installed it, it started up 1st go. I tried to wheel out, but again the
blocks were pushed away and the rig sunk straight down again. I needed
some other materials to work with, but there was nothing. The guy offered
to pull me out, he had come out in a jeep and said he'd do the outcall fee
plus the pull out for $100. I didn't have much choice. I got successfully
out, but while getting back onto the road i turned too sharp on my aired
down tires (about 3psi in them) and one dropped a bead on one of the
rears. I had to wheel about 3 miles down the road to the nearest gas
station to get air. There was no damage to the tires or the rims. Baja
Claws are remarkable tires. The water that had gotten into the valves
prevented me from putting air in them. I had to melt the ice off. Valve
covers are important. I had lost (the only copy of) my motorbike key while
in the river. I had to pay another $30 to have a locksmith drive out and
make up a new key.
I had finally gotten my rig out, but what was the cost? To the rig, only a
broken window and a battery (which needed replacing anyway) $150 all
up. To me? Frostbite in my feet, hyperthermia, a ligering cold, numerous
cuts and abrasions to my hands and feet. A hi-lift jack $200 including
delivery. $100 for a tow out fee. $30 for the taxi, $30 for the bike
key. $510 all up. I still can't walk without limping, but it should be
fine in a few more days.
Lessons learned? Hard to say. I had always thought of myself as a person
who can assess risk accurately. I have held a mountain rescue license for
the past 6 years and have participated in many rescues. I am usually the
one helping out others. Coming from Australia I was pretty unprepared for
dealing with the cold though. I had no idea of the dangers involved. I
just didn't stop to assess the situation, it seemed like it wasn't that
serious. The people in the hospital told me I could easily have lost a toe
or a finger to frostbite given the cold that I was exposed to.
*A hi lift jack is not an accessory, it's basic equipment.
*if you are going to play in water, expect to go for a swim
*valve covers will stop water from freezing up your valves
*carry water proof rubber shoes up to your knees if you want to play in
water.
*you can still get into trouble close to home, especially in the cold.
*don't be afraid to just walk away.
What would I do differently in the future given my hard-earned
knowledge? I'd avoid water in winter for a start. If I was going to play
then I'd engage my hub locks and 4wd before entering the nasty stuff. I'd
bring a buddy to help me out. I would definitely not enter the water
without water proof shoes.
Stay safe,
Shaun
South Korea
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37664 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 11:41pm
Subject: RE: ATTN: RICK BEER was RE: i am SOOO lucky, thanks desert rat.
I always check my lug nuts before I leave the tire shops parking lot. I also
check the tire pressure. When I get home I take out the torque wrench and
retorque them.
This is especially important when you get a new set of wheels.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@h...]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 6:44 PM
To: 'nilar708'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: ATTN: RICK BEER was RE: [az_vjc] i am SOOO lucky, thanks desert
rat.
Nick,
I suspect that our Discount Tire advocate Rick Beer will be somewhat
interested in this story.
I spent some time talking with the manager of Rick's store; and this is a
topic we discussed at length. Discount Tire takes these kind of mistakes
seriously... as they should since our lives depend on it.
Good thing you were not hurt.
Could you please tell everyone which Discount Tire you went to?
Kind Regards,
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nilar708 [mailto:squarelights@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 6:24 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] i am SOOO lucky, thanks desert rat.
>
>
> ok heres the deal...i was fortunate enough to be let out of jury duty
> earlier than expected. so i got in the jeep to go back home (mesa)
> on the way home the jeep was feeling alittle bit squirly. so i pulled
> over and inspected all of the welds, ubolts, shocks, and wheel
> bearings. all of it looked fine. so i got in the jeep and was
> driving the last three miles home. then about a mile from home at
> the intersection of broadway and alma school it was all over the
> road. i applied very little brake and started to merge off the road
> to an enterprise parking lot. when all of a sudden, "bing, crash,
> snap, grind, ka-pow. i was cruzing three-wheel motion. i skidded off
> into the drive way of enterprise with all tires minus the left rear.
> i look to my left and there goes my 35" bfg mt on 15x8 outlaw 1's
> full speed to the intersection. i jumped out of my jeep so fast i
> forgot to turn it off and put the break on, dont worry it wasn't
> going anywhere. here i am chasing my 35 down the street and i caught
> it just before it went into the busy intersection.
>
> so i went back to the jeep and saw that i had no lug nuts, my studs
> were still there, but no lugs. i had just gotten new rims put on by
> discount tire, a week ago. they will be getting a visit from me, you
> can be sure of that.
>
> i didn't have my hi-lift with me, friend borrowing it, but i was only
> 200 ft from desert rat. an attendant at enterprise saw the whole
> thing and gave me a ride home, a mile away. i got the wifes car went
> to desert rat. got to desert rat told the bro i had an emergency, no
> hi-lift and no lug nuts. he went to the back and brought out some
> lugs, and said leave me your credit card and i will let you borrow a
> new hi-lift. THIS WAS SO NICE OF THE GUY.
>
> called a friend and he was there in about 5 mins. put the tire back
> on took some witnesses names, and drove home.
>
> i am sooo lucky to have had no cars or pedestrians around at the time
> of the incident. or to be driving 70 mph on the freeway. and the
> nice guy at desert rat who went totally out of his way to help a
> total stranger yet fellow wheeler out. and a cool friend who dropped
> everything and hauled *** to help me out, can't forget the attendant
> at enterprise who gave me a ride home. so i was lucky today, i guess
> i had some extra karma today :)
>
> thanks for listening...dont forget to torque those lugs after you
> drive 25 miles from having the wheels off.
>
> nick l. one lucky 93 yj soa
>
>
>
>
>
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37665 From: Gary Holmes <niitoyis@w...>
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 4:13am
Subject: Re: From: O-R Fab and Kong's
Group:
I can vouch for the job Kong's does. I am extramely pleased with the lifi
installation and locker install they did and would not hesitate a minute to go
back to them.
Gary Holmes
Fab guys wrote:
> Hello Mike,
> Sorry about the delay, We been very busy with Xmas orders and Production has
> been taking up Custom times. I think you spoke with our front desk person
> and she said see us Sat 11:00 am 12/22 . I will take time out to install
> your parts. One of the members told me you was having trouble getting
> through.
>
> Also ,"To All you AZVJC members" If you need any Repair work done, Gears,
> Axle Conversions, Parts ect., We have moved and teamed up in our new
> location with "KONG's 4x4 off road center" at: 2010 West Cheryl Drive,
> Phoenix that's one block north of our old location. Kong's is a new business
> headed by a great group of guys, Mark Mason, Dan Lewis and Jeff Covey.
> Marks truck was on the cover of 4 wheel drive and sport utility a couple of
> months ago TOYS on the rocks issue along with write-up. We recommend them
> for any of your 4x4 needs. Their # 602-944-2411
>
> You fellow Jeepers Have A Merry Christmas!
>
> Wayne
> O-R FAB
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "msa12171" <msa12171@a...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 8:51 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Attn: O-R Fab
>
> > I've been trying to schedule a date to come in for some work, but
> > have not had very good luck getting someone that is very interested.
> > If someone on here works for O-R Fab, or knows someone, can you have
> > them call me. Thanks.
> >
> > Mike Anderson
> > 602-433-3740 wk
> > 602-361-2259 cell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
37666 From: Gary Holmes <niitoyis@w...>
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 4:13am
Subject: Re: From: O-R Fab and Kong's
Group:
I can vouch for the job Kong's does. I am extremely pleased with the lift
installation and locker install they did and would not hesitate a minute to go
back to them.
Gary Holmes
Fab guys wrote:
> Hello Mike,
> Sorry about the delay, We been very busy with Xmas orders and Production has
> been taking up Custom times. I think you spoke with our front desk person
> and she said see us Sat 11:00 am 12/22 . I will take time out to install
> your parts. One of the members told me you was having trouble getting
> through.
>
> Also ,"To All you AZVJC members" If you need any Repair work done, Gears,
> Axle Conversions, Parts ect., We have moved and teamed up in our new
> location with "KONG's 4x4 off road center" at: 2010 West Cheryl Drive,
> Phoenix that's one block north of our old location. Kong's is a new business
> headed by a great group of guys, Mark Mason, Dan Lewis and Jeff Covey.
> Marks truck was on the cover of 4 wheel drive and sport utility a couple of
> months ago TOYS on the rocks issue along with write-up. We recommend them
> for any of your 4x4 needs. Their # 602-944-2411
>
> You fellow Jeepers Have A Merry Christmas!
>
> Wayne
> O-R FAB
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> Subject: [az_vjc] Attn: O-R Fab
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> > I've been trying to schedule a date to come in for some work, but
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> > If someone on here works for O-R Fab, or knows someone, can you have
> > them call me. Thanks.
> >
> > Mike Anderson
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> > 602-361-2259 cell
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37667 From: Ralph Williams <ralphbw@q...>
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 5:58am
Subject: Re: ...and I lived to tell about it
I feel that the biggest mistake was going into the stream in 2
wheel drive.
I have been stuck in 4 wheel drive vehicles (not mine) more times
than I care to think about in exactly the same manner.
The whole situation would have been avoided.
Ralph
Scott Kruize wrote:
>
> Shaun,
>
> That is why I never wheel without at least 1 other vehicle. Everyone that I
> run with carries recovery gear and for the most part we all have winches.
>
> It sounds like you had a bad ordeal and I feel sorry for you. What if you
> had not been within walking distance of anywhere? That could have been your
> death.
>
> I hope you learned something from all of this. If you need any advice
> regarding recovery equipment, and other survival related stuff I like to
> carry feel free to email me direct.
>
> Take care,
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: imagineero [mailto:imagineero@x...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:57 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] ...and I lived to tell about it
>
> I thought I'd publicly confess about something stupid that I did
> recently. Feel free to skip this message, but I feel that it might offer a
> small lesson in risk assessment.......
>
> A few days ago I was heading home, I live in a fairly populated suburb, but
> I pass through some areas where not many people live. I live in South
> Korea which is composed of about 80% mountains so there's lots of
> off-roading to be had, even in heavily populated areas. I'd just got some
> new tires fitted to my jeep (baja claw) and was very keen to test them
> out. I had been running second hand road tires for a couple of months and
> before that BFG MT's. There's a small stream that I pass pretty much every
> day and I'd often driven across it or along it, even in 2WD with road
> tires. It's only about 6"~8" deep, but it's composed of bottomless gravel
> and sand, so it's important to keep moving.
>
> I decided to have a quick blast through it on my way home, so I drive off
> the road and approached the stream as I had done many time in the past. I
> didn't anticipate any problems, I'd been there many times before and
> besides, it was only 100 yards from a main road, what could go wrong? I
> entered the stream in 2wd, I have manual locking hubs and hadn't bothered
> to engage them. All was fine, but suddenly my cell phone rang. Answering
> it was a natural reflex, but when I paused to pick up the jeep suddenly
> bogged. I gave it a little gas in the hope of getting it moving, but it
> just dug in further. I dropped the phone, stopped and figured I'd better
> engage 4WD. I climbed out, crawled over my rig and engaged the manual hub
> locks, got back inside and went for 4Low. I have open diffs at both
> ends. After carefully trying to drive out I succeeded only in bogging
> myself further. It was about -15C outside and the stream was frozen in a
> lot of places. It was about 11pm. I still hadn't really stopped to
> consider what I was doing, but decided on impulse to air down. I got out
> and aired down to maybe about 10psi (I run 20 on road). If I had paused to
> consider it I would have realized that airing down would lower my rig. I
> was now dug in to the axles front and rear. The exhaust was underwater.
>
> I started to realize the seriousness of the situation, but was still
> optimistic about getting out and driving home, this was after all just a
> local stream and a small one at that. There were cars wizzing by not far
> away. I had a quick think about what I had to work with; There was a
> small 3 ton hydraulic jack, a headlamp, a shovel. I decided to try to dig
> around the jeep a little and then drive out. I figured it would be best to
> remove my sneakers. Into the water i went. It was cold, but it didn't
> really feel that bad. I started digging, front and rear, I realized too
> late (about 20 minutes later) that the whole rig was pretty much sitting on
> the gravel (gas tank, axles, the whole works) and that the digging wasn't
> doing me much good. I had a go at driving out again and only sunk
> further. I started to realize how cold it was when I tried to open my door
> and my hand got stuck to the steel. Skin got ripped off.
>
> I got back inside and thawed my feet for a short time. I had kept the
> engine running the whole time. I figured I'd have to jack the jeep up and
> stick things under the wheels. I decided to put my shoes on since I'd got
> a few cuts on my feet. I got out again and started scouting around the
> area for materials. I was hoping for some nice long metal poles. I'd had
> success in the past with leaving the jeep in gear and driving by itself
> then levering it out with poles. It's surprisingly easy to lift the entire
> front end of a rig off the ground given enough leverage. Unfortunately the
> only thing I could find was concrete blocks which were cumbersome and
> heavy. They were at an abandoned half demolished building about 200 yards
> away. I started to carry the blocks back 2 at a time. 5 trips later (in a
> T-shirt) I figured I had enough blocks.
>
> I got back into the stream, and put a block under the rig to start jacking
> from. I needed a lot of lift, but the jack only gave me maybe 5 inches at
> a time. Getting enough lift to put a block under the tire required jacking
> the rig up, blocking it, then putting another brick under the jack and
> jacking again, maybe 3 or 4 times to get up enough. Multiply this by 4
> wheels and I was finished about an hour and a half later. All this was
> done half way up to my knees in water. I realized pretty quick that my
> hands were sticking to stuff that was made of steel. I used some rags to
> prevent this. All was done, and I was tired, I'd lost all feeling in my
> feet but still didn't really consider this to be a serious situation. I
> climbed back in the rig and tried carefully to drive out. The blocks were
> pushed aside straight into the bottomless gravel and I was right back where
> I started. I felt pretty down. I still didn't think of it as being and
> emergency, though in retrospect I was in serious danger of hyperthermia
> after having been exposed to the cold air and ice water for 2 hours running
> with nothing more than a T-shirt to wear.
>
> I had a tow rope, so I got up to the main road and flagged down a truck. I
> noticed that it was difficult to walk at that time. The truck drove down,
> but wouldn't go near the stream for fear of being bogged. The rope was
> about 50 feet long and rated to 3 tonnes, but it didn't reach far
> enough. He offered to call a tow truck and I accepted. I waited for the
> tow truck to arrive. During this time I noticed that the water in my shoes
> had frozen to ice. I tried to remove the shoes, this resulted in skin being
> ripped off my feet. The tow truck arrived and refused to go anywhere near
> the water. He said he could arrange for a tow out, but it would require a
> large truck that would cost a few hundred dollars. I thanked him for his
> time and told him I could take care of it myself. I was barefoot and still
> in a T-shirt. Definitely not thinking clearly. The engine was still
> running, but I was getting low on gas. I decided finally, to leave it and
> return the next day. I turned off the engine, locked up and headed to
> catch a taxi home. It cost me $30.
>
> I tried hailing a cab for about 30 minutes, unfortunately being a foreigner
> in a conservative asian country at 3am wearing a T-shirt with no shoes
> didn't help much. I finally decide to start walking down the road
> (barefoot) and arrived about 40 minutes later at a gas station where they
> called a cab for me. After getting home I couldn't sleep, I was shivering,
> and my feet felt as though they were on fire. I went down to the emergency
> center at my local hospital, they told me I had mild hyper thermia and
> frostbite in my feet. They gave me some shots, and soaked my feet in
> water. I got home again, and managed to drift off to sleep. I was too
> sick to go to work the next day.
>
> I woke up late, and figured I could spend the day pulling my rig out. I
> hunted around the peninsula and found a hi-lift jack distributor. They
> wanted $170 for a 48" cast iron model. Highway robbery? Sure, but I
> needed it. They wanted another $30 for 2 hour delivery. I rode my
> motorbike down there, the stream had frozen over more. I decided to try
> jacking the rig up further and putting more blocks under and then try
> winching out (using the hi-lift). Jacking the rig up was Oh-so-easy using
> the hi-lift. I could jack up both rear wheels at the same time, high
> enough to put blocks under them. Same deal at the front. It took only 30
> minutes to get the rig jacked and get it blocked, but while I was lowering
> the rig onto the blocks I slipped on the ice and lost control of the
> jack. It smashed one of my side windows. The rig was raised now, but it
> wouldn't start. The battery was dead. This battery had been on its way
> out for some time and I had never gotten around to replacing it. I was now
> paying for not having replaced it. The rig had spent the night half
> immersed in water and there was ice all over it. I called my local
> mechanic and he agreed to come out and replace the battery. He got out and
> installed it, it started up 1st go. I tried to wheel out, but again the
> blocks were pushed away and the rig sunk straight down again. I needed
> some other materials to work with, but there was nothing. The guy offered
> to pull me out, he had come out in a jeep and said he'd do the outcall fee
> plus the pull out for $100. I didn't have much choice. I got successfully
> out, but while getting back onto the road i turned too sharp on my aired
> down tires (about 3psi in them) and one dropped a bead on one of the
> rears. I had to wheel about 3 miles down the road to the nearest gas
> station to get air. There was no damage to the tires or the rims. Baja
> Claws are remarkable tires. The water that had gotten into the valves
> prevented me from putting air in them. I had to melt the ice off. Valve
> covers are important. I had lost (the only copy of) my motorbike key while
> in the river. I had to pay another $30 to have a locksmith drive out and
> make up a new key.
>
> I had finally gotten my rig out, but what was the cost? To the rig, only a
> broken window and a battery (which needed replacing anyway) $150 all
> up. To me? Frostbite in my feet, hyperthermia, a ligering cold, numerous
> cuts and abrasions to my hands and feet. A hi-lift jack $200 including
> delivery. $100 for a tow out fee. $30 for the taxi, $30 for the bike
> key. $510 all up. I still can't walk without limping, but it should be
> fine in a few more days.
>
> Lessons learned? Hard to say. I had always thought of myself as a person
> who can assess risk accurately. I have held a mountain rescue license for
> the past 6 years and have participated in many rescues. I am usually the
> one helping out others. Coming from Australia I was pretty unprepared for
> dealing with the cold though. I had no idea of the dangers involved. I
> just didn't stop to assess the situation, it seemed like it wasn't that
> serious. The people in the hospital told me I could easily have lost a toe
> or a finger to frostbite given the cold that I was exposed to.
>
> *A hi lift jack is not an accessory, it's basic equipment.
> *if you are going to play in water, expect to go for a swim
> *valve covers will stop water from freezing up your valves
> *carry water proof rubber shoes up to your knees if you want to play in
> water.
> *you can still get into trouble close to home, especially in the cold.
> *don't be afraid to just walk away.
>
> What would I do differently in the future given my hard-earned
> knowledge? I'd avoid water in winter for a start. If I was going to play
> then I'd engage my hub locks and 4wd before entering the nasty stuff. I'd
> bring a buddy to help me out. I would definitely not enter the water
> without water proof shoes.
>
> Stay safe,
> Shaun
> South Korea
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37668 From: David R. W. Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 6:05am
Subject: RE: ATTN: RICK BEER was RE: i am SOOO lucky, thanks desert rat.
You know, I always take my tj back the next day to have them re-torque
the lugs. Then about a week after. And there is always one that isn't
at the right torque. The managers in the Ahwatukee store never make me
wait. Just say pull it up and I'll be right there.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@e...]
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 12:41 AM
To: arizonajeep@h...; 'nilar708'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: ATTN: RICK BEER was RE: [az_vjc] i am SOOO lucky, thanks
desert rat.
I always check my lug nuts before I leave the tire shops parking lot. I
also check the tire pressure. When I get home I take out the torque
wrench and retorque them.
This is especially important when you get a new set of wheels.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@h...]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 6:44 PM
To: 'nilar708'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: ATTN: RICK BEER was RE: [az_vjc] i am SOOO lucky, thanks desert
rat.
Nick,
I suspect that our Discount Tire advocate Rick Beer will be somewhat
interested in this story. I spent some time talking with the manager of
Rick's store; and this is a topic we discussed at length. Discount Tire
takes these kind of mistakes seriously... as they should since our lives
depend on it.
Good thing you were not hurt.
Could you please tell everyone which Discount Tire you went to?
Kind Regards,
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nilar708 [mailto:squarelights@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 6:24 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] i am SOOO lucky, thanks desert rat.
>
>
> ok heres the deal...i was fortunate enough to be let out of jury duty
> earlier than expected. so i got in the jeep to go back home (mesa) on
> the way home the jeep was feeling alittle bit squirly. so i pulled
> over and inspected all of the welds, ubolts, shocks, and wheel
> bearings. all of it looked fine. so i got in the jeep and was
> driving the last three miles home. then about a mile from home at the
> intersection of broadway and alma school it was all over the road. i
> applied very little brake and started to merge off the road to an
> enterprise parking lot. when all of a sudden, "bing, crash, snap,
> grind, ka-pow. i was cruzing three-wheel motion. i skidded off into
> the drive way of enterprise with all tires minus the left rear. i look
> to my left and there goes my 35" bfg mt on 15x8 outlaw 1's full speed
> to the intersection. i jumped out of my jeep so fast i forgot to
> turn it off and put the break on, dont worry it wasn't going anywhere.
> here i am chasing my 35 down the street and i caught it just before it
> went into the busy intersection.
>
> so i went back to the jeep and saw that i had no lug nuts, my studs
> were still there, but no lugs. i had just gotten new rims put on by
> discount tire, a week ago. they will be getting a visit from me, you
> can be sure of that.
>
> i didn't have my hi-lift with me, friend borrowing it, but i was only
> 200 ft from desert rat. an attendant at enterprise saw the whole thing
> and gave me a ride home, a mile away. i got the wifes car went to
> desert rat. got to desert rat told the bro i had an emergency, no
> hi-lift and no lug nuts. he went to the back and brought out some
> lugs, and said leave me your credit card and i will let you borrow a
> new hi-lift. THIS WAS SO NICE OF THE GUY.
>
> called a friend and he was there in about 5 mins. put the tire back
> on took some witnesses names, and drove home.
>
> i am sooo lucky to have had no cars or pedestrians around at the time
> of the incident. or to be driving 70 mph on the freeway. and the
> nice guy at desert rat who went totally out of his way to help a total
> stranger yet fellow wheeler out. and a cool friend who dropped
> everything and hauled *** to help me out, can't forget the attendant
> at enterprise who gave me a ride home. so i was lucky today, i guess
> i had some extra karma today :)
>
> thanks for listening...dont forget to torque those lugs after you
> drive 25 miles from having the wheels off.
>
> nick l. one lucky 93 yj soa
>
>
>
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37669 From: imagineero <imagineero@x...>
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 6:08am
Subject: shackle lift?
If I were to go with a mild shackle lift (say 1 1/2" longer shackles which
would give about 1" of real world lift) then what would be the consequences
of not using longer shocks? As an aside, after looking at my current
shackles it is totally obvious that they are bolted up way too tight. They
don't rotate at all with flex giving them more stress. When I replace the
shackles I'd like to put in slightly longer bolts with some nylock nuts so
the bolt doesn't have to be 'too' tight. What's the deal with all this
'grade 8' bolt stuff, and will the nylock nuts come undone by themselves if
not tightened enough?
Thanks as always,
Shaun
South Korea
37670 From: paparoach85251 <lespaparoach@m...>
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 6:22am
Subject: Roosevelt Alignment
Chalk me up as another satisfied customer of Roosevelt Alignment. I
took the baby hauler (my 96 ford taurus grocery getter) in last week
for an alignment. While working on the car, Joe and Vince found a
leaking oil gasket and leak in the coolant reservoir. Not the best
time of year to find out you need major repairs. However, the work
needed to be done so I made an appointment for this week. Joe and
Vince finished the work on time and at over a hundred dollars LESS
than they had originally quoted. Joe even squeezed in my TJ for a
badly needed alignment yesterday afternoon. I especially like the
fact that I got to stand in the bay while they worked on the TJ and
talk jeeps. I got to meet another fellow club member Jim aka Hackle
who was there for an alignment also. I can't say enough positive
things about my experience with their shop. I will definitely go back
to Roosevelt for any automotive repairs I need in the future.
Thanks Joe and Vince!
Hope to see you guys on the trail real soon.
Les Roach
37671 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 6:40am
Subject: RE: OT car repairs
John,
The reason that this job is so expensive is because most likely, you have to take the entire dash, instrument panel, and supporting structure out to get to the heater core.
This was the case with my wife's 97 Mustang. In order to get the heater core out, the ENTIRE dash structure from the firewall back had to be removed.
Isn't this a great example of built-in obsolescence? The engineers at GM (Ford) could have EASILY designed a heater core which can be removed from the engine compartment side of the firewall... but it would probably cost a couple of dollars more so... we'll let the consumer pick up the cost since we're confident that the heater core will not fail under warranty.
Can you tell that this subject pisses me off?
Good luck... and by the way; I absolutely WOULD NOT recommend that you try to do this job yourself... it is an absolute nightmare.
(Oh... and by the way... look at the firewall passenger side where the heater hoses enter the vehicle and make sure that you can't just unbolt a sheetmetal panel to get the heater core out. Also... purchase a GOOD factory manual for your Berreta (can do online). If you have any more questions... call me (602) 524-7632.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Halverson [mailto:byrnec@qwest.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:43 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] OT car repairs
Hi-- Sorry about the OT post, I am wondering if anyone can tell me how to go about replacing the heater core in a '91 Berreta. This is my daughter's car, the heater is out and my mechanic tells me that the heater core is bad. He wants $650 to $700 to fix it. I called the Chevy dealer and a new core was about $70, so I went down and picked it up. I figured that for $600 I could put it in myself, but I have no idea where to start. Any one with experience in these? Maybe a website or forum where I can find out? Again, sorry about the OT, but I thought that maybe you guys could point me in the right direction. Thank you.
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37672 From: Fred <fredtj@h...>
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 6:59am
Subject: Re: Problems with Jeep saging
Mmmmm, shocks won't really make the vehicle higher. They can stiffen up
the ride and reduce body roll, but they won't really raise the vehicle.
Sounds like you just have too much weight in the rear of the vehicle,
and too much hanging way out past the rear. That's a problem with Jeeps,
too much weight in the rear. Those tire carriers that hang the spare
wayyyy off the back, to me, can be problematic when combined with a
large sized spare, and then throw a couple of 5 gallon gas cans out
there, and the Jeep starts acting like a Tonka Toy truck ;) I don't
like how SWB Jeeps drive, especially off road, in rocks, with a lot of
weight in the rear. We (the local club in Tucson) had one end up sitting
on the rear tire, pointing straight up in the air at the Step at
Charloureau Gap.
Anyway, spring stiffness really doesn't have too much to do with the
spring load rate. You probably need springs with a higher load rate, if
you want to hang that much weight off the rear.
It's really tough trying to carry stuff in SWB Jeeps. I've spent a lot
of time trying to figure ways to keep weight out of the rear.
Anway, I don't know what kind of Jeep you have, but if it's a TJ, you
can use some spring spacers in the rear, to level it out, if it's a leaf
spring, maybe something like a add a leaf, or just new springs.
Cheers,
Fred
stallonedev wrote:
>I just finished making my tire carrier, it came out so nice however
>it is making my whole back end sag, and it feels like I am towing
>something behind me anybody have any suggestions to what I should do.
>The tire carrier holds two jerry cans and sticks out pretty far. I am
>thinking about making another tire carrier, but I worked so hard in
>making this one that I do not want to make another. I am installing
>new shocks RS9000 right now to see if it will correct my problem but
>I think its my springs that are really soft. Anybody have any ideas
>on what I can do to stop the sag. I have a 3in blk diamond
>lift. Thanks Anthony.
>
>
>
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37673 From: Joey Martinez <joey@w...>
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 7:22am
Subject: Member Siting
White TJ (I think, didn't get a good look, just saw the sticker) around 78th St and McDowell, in Scottsdale, going East.
Here's your wave!!
Joey
94XJ
37674 From: Scott Thomas <sthomas@a...>
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 7:29am
Subject: RE: Member Siting
Hey Joey I think that might have been me. I was over there this morning picking up a friend at the BMW dealership. Here's your wave.
Scott Thomas
97' Tj
-----Original Message-----
From: Joey Martinez [mailto:joey@webtechs.net]
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 8:23 AM
To: jeepclub
Subject: [az_vjc] Member Siting
White TJ (I think, didn't get a good look, just saw the sticker) around 78th St and McDowell, in Scottsdale, going East.
Here's your wave!!
Joey
94XJ
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37675 From: Joey Martinez <joey@w...>
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 7:59am
Subject: recomendations
I want to get my XJ a little higher but don't want change out my Ranco 9000's, is the only way to go a body lift? And if so what doe that entail?
TIA
Joey
94XJ
37676 From: jetowle2000 <jetowle2000@y...>
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2001 8:04am
Subject: What would you do?
Here's the deal...
I didn't tell my wife I was getting the SYE. It came yesterday in
this nice little box that weighs about 35 pounds.
Should I:
a) Wrap it and put it under the tree from Santa?
or
b) Install it and not say anything?
You make the call.
--James