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37577 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 5:22am
Subject: Read the Archives... was RE: wheel spacers
Shaun,
Check the archives... we just had a HUGE discussion about wheel spacers.
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: imagineero [mailto:imagineero@x...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 5:58 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] wheel spacers
>
>
> Hi All,
> I've been looking around at wheel spacers lately after seeing
> some on some
> rigs while trailing. The rigs that I saw trailing had pretty
> big meats
> (35") and seemed to have a lot of spacer fitted, I'd guess
> maybe 3" to
> 5". What is the deal with these spacers? I've seen them for
> sale lots of
> times in different styles etc, but I don't really understand the
> benefits. Theoretically I guess they'd lower the center of
> gravity, maybe
> reduce the risk of rollover and in corners at speed probably
> reduce body
> roll, but by how much? Is there a noticeable difference
> after fitting
> these things? Are they likely to damage the wheel
> bearings/brakes etc? I
> think that most people probably fit them for the look, or
> maybe to get a
> bit more space so they can fit wider tires, but are there any
> other real
> benefits to them?
>
> Thanks,
> Shaun
> South Korea
>
>
>
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37578 From: imagineero <imagineero@x...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 5:53am
Subject: reversing shackles
if I were aiming to improve both my on and off road performance, especially
in relation to bump absorbing ability in the front, then which of the
following would be my best bet;
revolving shackles, or a shackle reversal?
Thanks,
Shaun
South Korea
37579 From: J & P Visic <jpvisic@n...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 6:24am
Subject: Re: [az_vj new SOA question??
Robert,
You can get good information, advice, and prices online at Tom Woods Custom
Drive Shafts @ 4xshaft.com. I bought a CV rear for my CJ there.
John V
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Holmes" <flamable_liquid@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:17 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] [az_vj new SOA question??
> With cost in mind how much (approx) does a rear driveshaft cost (83 CJ-8)
> the only cost i cant calculate is really the driveshaft. and while im at
it
> anyone know a good place to get it too. I really want to finish this by
then
> end of next month (really optimistic but reasonable) So as always any help
> would be really helpfull
>
> Yes ill weld this on :)
>
>
> >From: "Matt Ulepic" <mulepic@h...>
> >To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>, "steve94yj" <azjeeper@n...>
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Bolt on SOA question??
> >Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:51:38 -0700
> >
> >Hi, I have an '87 grand wagoneer that I did the SOA on. Just like you, I
> >wasn't a welder and used my engineering talent to create a bolt on
> >application. It worked. But not for long. When it was all said and
done
> >I
> >had to learn to weld and weld the perches. I won't say anything more
> >except
> >an SOA is anything but a 'bolt-on' type of modification.
> >Good luck,
> >Matt
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "steve94yj" <azjeeper@n...>
> >To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:11 AM
> >Subject: [az_vjc] Bolt on SOA question??
> >
> >
> > > I read the concerns of the people who commented on the FTS bolt on
> > > kit. I'm not an expert by any means so I take any advice from this
> > > club that I can get. One problem mentioned was that the straight bolts
> > > instead of u bolts wouldn't be enough to keep the axle in place under
> > > a pretty good load (climbing 3' rock). Couldn't you just place some
> > > small welds on the perch to fix this? Something of this caliber I
> > > could handle, but a full weld on soa is out of my league. If I'm
> > > wrong, please correct me. On that note, would anyone possibly know
> > > about how much I could get an soa (standard type) installed for? I
> > > already have the stock springs. I know about the shocks, SYE, etc.,
> > > I'm just concerned about the cost of the soa itself. Thanks for any
> > > advice.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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37580 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 6:29am
Subject: (OT)Sponsorship - funny
kinda makes you feel warm and fuzzy all over....
TJ Gill
75 CJ5
327/TH350
If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made with meat???
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37581 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 6:39am
Subject: RE: [azdd] Welding an AMC 20
Hay Michael how is it going? I have done this. It is one of the few week spots the model 20 has and not everyone has the problem. It is very easy to do and takes very little time. Call me at you convenience and I will explain how to do it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Wixom [mailto:certifiedinsp@msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:51 PM
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club
Cc: Arizona Dust Devils
Subject: [azdd] Welding an AMC 20
I have read in magazine articles, and seen a few mentions on here about welding the tubes to the housing on an AMC 20. Has anyone done this or have knowledge of how to do it. I will have some free time next week and was thinking of doing it to mine. Can it be done with the axles / gears in place. Does it need to be welded all the way around or just tacked? Any information, pictures, suggestions etc. would be helpful
Thanks,
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
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37582 From: Gary Holmes <niitoyis@w...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 6:41am
Subject: Re: Re: [az_az-vgc is REAL (just ask YAHOO)
Joe:
Can we talk about Jeeps there? I carry a big one but I do try to conceal it
(Camo Cow.)
Gary Holmes
Joe W wrote:
> Of Course the Arizona Virtual Gun Club (az_vgc) is real. There are enough
> people on this list who use, reload, conceal carry and have fun with their
> weapons... it made sense to create a new group to talk about guns and gun
> related items.
> It is certainly better than cluttering up this group with gun talk...
> although I suspect that a great many Jeepers carry or use weapons, it isn't
> really appropriate to force Jeepers to read about guns.
>
> So a new group was created.
>
> Make sense Marv? Come join us... it will be a hoot!
>
> Joe West
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marv Miller [mailto:mervalt@f...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 9:29 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [az_az-vgc is REAL (just ask YAHOO)
> >
> >
> > this message has been selectively censored. It started as a
> > diatribe to
> > whatever. It has now been cut to 18 words.
> > Yeah, carry a BIG gun, SAFELY.
> > Yeah, have lots of fun.
> > marv
> > (no, I didn't count to see if all 18 showed up in this verbal spew.)
> > Now I don't just have to watch what I'm rolling over, I have
> > to watch my
> > back.....
> > I gotta think that a group of responsible 4x4's don't even
> > need to think
> > about firepower, especially with a group. However. I
> > wouldn't blame anyone
> > for bringing a piece along for "security" reasons. The
> > trouble, again, is
> > "THOSE OTHER PEOPLE" Let us not be "those other people". PEACE
> > Just 0.02$ IMHO
> >
> >
> >
> >
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37583 From: cruzeunit <cruzeunit@y...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 6:41am
Subject: Re: reversing shackles
Why not do both?
Or just do a spring over axle conversion.
But, that will give you a lot of lift you may not want.
A few months ago there was some good discussions on both these
topics. Do a search under "revolvers" or "shackle reversal"
I have both a SR & Revolver shackles. You can e-mail me direct if
you have any specific questions.
If I had to do it all over again I would have started with an SOA.
Dan Siegel
37584 From: keithberkshire <keithberkshire@y...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 6:42am
Subject: [MS] Member Sighting I-10
Yellow TJ With liscense plate "GIRL4X4"
Here is your wave
Keith
http://www.desertCJ7.com
37585 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 6:51am
Subject: RE: [azdd] Welding an AMC 20
You want to be very careful welding around the pumpkin. Remember the pumpkin is cast and to properly weld on cast you should use a high nickel rod like 7018 and preheat the cast. If you don't you will just make the cast brittle. The best way to fix this AMC 20 issue is to weld the holes. fill the hole with weld but keep the weld on the axle tubing that is inside the hole and try not to concentrate to much heat on the cast pumpkin.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Hedger [mailto:birdup@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 7:02 AM
To: certifiedinsp@msn.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Cc: azdd@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [azdd] Welding an AMC 20
Michael,
There are 2 ways to weld the tubes in place. You can either run 1/2 inch beads about 1/2 inch apart around the tube where it meets the pumpkin. You should be able to get about 4 welds in there. DON'T put one continuous weld on it, that'll make it even weaker. Or, you can fill the "holes" with weld where you would put a case spreader. This seems to work just as well, and is a little bit "easier".
>From: "Michael Wixom"
>To: "AZ Virtual Jeep Club"
>CC: "Arizona Dust Devils"
>Subject: [azdd] Welding an AMC 20
>Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:51:29 -0700
>
>I have read in magazine articles, and seen a few mentions on here about welding the tubes to the housing on an AMC 20. Has anyone done this or have knowledge of how to do it. I will have some free time next week and was thinking of doing it to mine. Can it be done with the axles / gears in place. Does it need to be welded all the way around or just tacked? Any information, pictures, suggestions etc. would be helpful
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mike Wixom
>85 CJ-7
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37586 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 6:51am
Subject: Re: todays run?
Marv,
JoeyK, RussellG & I (JamesT) did Upper Woodpecker 12/19.
Since it was a middle of the week run and there was only two of us
willing to commit, there was no official trip posting. Thus, no
official trip report. If there was more interest I would be happy to
make an official trip listing and trip report. I did post a link to
the pics for all to see what they missed along with taking a jab at
ScottK :).
I hope this clears some confussion.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Marv Miller" <mervalt@f...> wrote:
> didn't somebody go out today? I forgot where.
>
> trip reports?
> (I know this is not my job. I just ran out of things to talk about)
> I put the winter top and the doors on the CJ today and man it looks
funny. full coverage, when it hardly ever rains in AZ. But now I
can wear my Stetson inside the jeep w/o feeling too overwhelming to
all my fans. Marv
37587 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 7:05am
Subject: Re: reversing shackles
Revolving shackles are typically also folding shackles and their
purpose is to give you more articulation (with a side effect of
longer spring life due to less twisting). I don't know for sure
but I don't think they do anything for bump absorbing ability.
A shackle reversal can improve bump absorbing ability but I believe
only if you have arched springs. With arched springs, a shackle
reversal allows the wheels to move rearward when they hit a bump
and the springs compress. With flat springs, a shackle reversal
would cause the wheels to move forward - into the bump - when the
springs compress making the ride more harsh.
-Roger
imagineero wrote:
>
> if I were aiming to improve both my on and off road performance, especially
> in relation to bump absorbing ability in the front, then which of the
> following would be my best bet;
>
> revolving shackles, or a shackle reversal?
>
> Thanks,
> Shaun
> South Korea
>
>
>
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37588 From: David R. W. Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 7:03am
Subject: Member sighting
Raintree and 90th ST.
Tj with tan hardtop.
Here's your wave. I'm one of those lazy pathetic members without a sticker.
David R. W. Withers
Desk: 480.551.4667
Mobile: 480.215.6992
37589 From: paparoach85251 <lespaparoach@m...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 7:43am
Subject: Re: Member sighting
When are you gonna spend the 8 bucks for a couple stickers? :)
Les
--- In az_vjc@y..., "David R. W. Withers" <dr_ww@h...> wrote:
> Raintree and 90th ST.
> Tj with tan hardtop.
> Here's your wave. I'm one of those lazy pathetic members without a
> sticker.
>
> David R. W. Withers
> Desk: 480.551.4667
> Mobile: 480.215.6992
37590 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 7:47am
Subject: FW: I could use your help
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Chastain [mailto:tazman85305@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:27 PM
To: Webmaster@AzVJC.org
Subject: I could use your help
I am a member of AZVJC and am looking for help. My XJ was stolen last night from where I work(39th ave. & VanBuren) and the police haven't found it. I have posted a reward poster on Off-Road.com and would like to get everyones help here in keeping an eye out. Is there anyway you could post the same thing here to get the members to help out? Or maybe even a e-mail asking for help? Below is a link to my post.
This is the second time in less than 40 days that it has been stolen and I really want it back. Thanks for any help.
http://bbs.off-road.com/wwwthreads//showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=offroadjeepcherokee&Number=626322&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5
37591 From: David R. W. Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 8:08am
Subject: RE: Re: Member sighting
When the boss lets me, LOL.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: paparoach85251 [mailto:lespaparoach@m...]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:44 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Member sighting
When are you gonna spend the 8 bucks for a couple stickers? :)
Les
--- In az_vjc@y..., "David R. W. Withers" <dr_ww@h...> wrote:
> Raintree and 90th ST.
> Tj with tan hardtop.
> Here's your wave. I'm one of those lazy pathetic members without a
> sticker.
>
> David R. W. Withers
> Desk: 480.551.4667
> Mobile: 480.215.6992
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37592 From: imagineero <imagineero@x...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 7:56am
Subject: ...and I lived to tell about it
I thought I'd publicly confess about something stupid that I did
recently. Feel free to skip this message, but I feel that it might offer a
small lesson in risk assessment.......
A few days ago I was heading home, I live in a fairly populated suburb, but
I pass through some areas where not many people live. I live in South
Korea which is composed of about 80% mountains so there's lots of
off-roading to be had, even in heavily populated areas. I'd just got some
new tires fitted to my jeep (baja claw) and was very keen to test them
out. I had been running second hand road tires for a couple of months and
before that BFG MT's. There's a small stream that I pass pretty much every
day and I'd often driven across it or along it, even in 2WD with road
tires. It's only about 6"~8" deep, but it's composed of bottomless gravel
and sand, so it's important to keep moving.
I decided to have a quick blast through it on my way home, so I drive off
the road and approached the stream as I had done many time in the past. I
didn't anticipate any problems, I'd been there many times before and
besides, it was only 100 yards from a main road, what could go wrong? I
entered the stream in 2wd, I have manual locking hubs and hadn't bothered
to engage them. All was fine, but suddenly my cell phone rang. Answering
it was a natural reflex, but when I paused to pick up the jeep suddenly
bogged. I gave it a little gas in the hope of getting it moving, but it
just dug in further. I dropped the phone, stopped and figured I'd better
engage 4WD. I climbed out, crawled over my rig and engaged the manual hub
locks, got back inside and went for 4Low. I have open diffs at both
ends. After carefully trying to drive out I succeeded only in bogging
myself further. It was about -15C outside and the stream was frozen in a
lot of places. It was about 11pm. I still hadn't really stopped to
consider what I was doing, but decided on impulse to air down. I got out
and aired down to maybe about 10psi (I run 20 on road). If I had paused to
consider it I would have realized that airing down would lower my rig. I
was now dug in to the axles front and rear. The exhaust was underwater.
I started to realize the seriousness of the situation, but was still
optimistic about getting out and driving home, this was after all just a
local stream and a small one at that. There were cars wizzing by not far
away. I had a quick think about what I had to work with; There was a
small 3 ton hydraulic jack, a headlamp, a shovel. I decided to try to dig
around the jeep a little and then drive out. I figured it would be best to
remove my sneakers. Into the water i went. It was cold, but it didn't
really feel that bad. I started digging, front and rear, I realized too
late (about 20 minutes later) that the whole rig was pretty much sitting on
the gravel (gas tank, axles, the whole works) and that the digging wasn't
doing me much good. I had a go at driving out again and only sunk
further. I started to realize how cold it was when I tried to open my door
and my hand got stuck to the steel. Skin got ripped off.
I got back inside and thawed my feet for a short time. I had kept the
engine running the whole time. I figured I'd have to jack the jeep up and
stick things under the wheels. I decided to put my shoes on since I'd got
a few cuts on my feet. I got out again and started scouting around the
area for materials. I was hoping for some nice long metal poles. I'd had
success in the past with leaving the jeep in gear and driving by itself
then levering it out with poles. It's surprisingly easy to lift the entire
front end of a rig off the ground given enough leverage. Unfortunately the
only thing I could find was concrete blocks which were cumbersome and
heavy. They were at an abandoned half demolished building about 200 yards
away. I started to carry the blocks back 2 at a time. 5 trips later (in a
T-shirt) I figured I had enough blocks.
I got back into the stream, and put a block under the rig to start jacking
from. I needed a lot of lift, but the jack only gave me maybe 5 inches at
a time. Getting enough lift to put a block under the tire required jacking
the rig up, blocking it, then putting another brick under the jack and
jacking again, maybe 3 or 4 times to get up enough. Multiply this by 4
wheels and I was finished about an hour and a half later. All this was
done half way up to my knees in water. I realized pretty quick that my
hands were sticking to stuff that was made of steel. I used some rags to
prevent this. All was done, and I was tired, I'd lost all feeling in my
feet but still didn't really consider this to be a serious situation. I
climbed back in the rig and tried carefully to drive out. The blocks were
pushed aside straight into the bottomless gravel and I was right back where
I started. I felt pretty down. I still didn't think of it as being and
emergency, though in retrospect I was in serious danger of hyperthermia
after having been exposed to the cold air and ice water for 2 hours running
with nothing more than a T-shirt to wear.
I had a tow rope, so I got up to the main road and flagged down a truck. I
noticed that it was difficult to walk at that time. The truck drove down,
but wouldn't go near the stream for fear of being bogged. The rope was
about 50 feet long and rated to 3 tonnes, but it didn't reach far
enough. He offered to call a tow truck and I accepted. I waited for the
tow truck to arrive. During this time I noticed that the water in my shoes
had frozen to ice. I tried to remove the shoes, this resulted in skin being
ripped off my feet. The tow truck arrived and refused to go anywhere near
the water. He said he could arrange for a tow out, but it would require a
large truck that would cost a few hundred dollars. I thanked him for his
time and told him I could take care of it myself. I was barefoot and still
in a T-shirt. Definitely not thinking clearly. The engine was still
running, but I was getting low on gas. I decided finally, to leave it and
return the next day. I turned off the engine, locked up and headed to
catch a taxi home. It cost me $30.
I tried hailing a cab for about 30 minutes, unfortunately being a foreigner
in a conservative asian country at 3am wearing a T-shirt with no shoes
didn't help much. I finally decide to start walking down the road
(barefoot) and arrived about 40 minutes later at a gas station where they
called a cab for me. After getting home I couldn't sleep, I was shivering,
and my feet felt as though they were on fire. I went down to the emergency
center at my local hospital, they told me I had mild hyper thermia and
frostbite in my feet. They gave me some shots, and soaked my feet in
water. I got home again, and managed to drift off to sleep. I was too
sick to go to work the next day.
I woke up late, and figured I could spend the day pulling my rig out. I
hunted around the peninsula and found a hi-lift jack distributor. They
wanted $170 for a 48" cast iron model. Highway robbery? Sure, but I
needed it. They wanted another $30 for 2 hour delivery. I rode my
motorbike down there, the stream had frozen over more. I decided to try
jacking the rig up further and putting more blocks under and then try
winching out (using the hi-lift). Jacking the rig up was Oh-so-easy using
the hi-lift. I could jack up both rear wheels at the same time, high
enough to put blocks under them. Same deal at the front. It took only 30
minutes to get the rig jacked and get it blocked, but while I was lowering
the rig onto the blocks I slipped on the ice and lost control of the
jack. It smashed one of my side windows. The rig was raised now, but it
wouldn't start. The battery was dead. This battery had been on its way
out for some time and I had never gotten around to replacing it. I was now
paying for not having replaced it. The rig had spent the night half
immersed in water and there was ice all over it. I called my local
mechanic and he agreed to come out and replace the battery. He got out and
installed it, it started up 1st go. I tried to wheel out, but again the
blocks were pushed away and the rig sunk straight down again. I needed
some other materials to work with, but there was nothing. The guy offered
to pull me out, he had come out in a jeep and said he'd do the outcall fee
plus the pull out for $100. I didn't have much choice. I got successfully
out, but while getting back onto the road i turned too sharp on my aired
down tires (about 3psi in them) and one dropped a bead on one of the
rears. I had to wheel about 3 miles down the road to the nearest gas
station to get air. There was no damage to the tires or the rims. Baja
Claws are remarkable tires. The water that had gotten into the valves
prevented me from putting air in them. I had to melt the ice off. Valve
covers are important. I had lost (the only copy of) my motorbike key while
in the river. I had to pay another $30 to have a locksmith drive out and
make up a new key.
I had finally gotten my rig out, but what was the cost? To the rig, only a
broken window and a battery (which needed replacing anyway) $150 all
up. To me? Frostbite in my feet, hyperthermia, a ligering cold, numerous
cuts and abrasions to my hands and feet. A hi-lift jack $200 including
delivery. $100 for a tow out fee. $30 for the taxi, $30 for the bike
key. $510 all up. I still can't walk without limping, but it should be
fine in a few more days.
Lessons learned? Hard to say. I had always thought of myself as a person
who can assess risk accurately. I have held a mountain rescue license for
the past 6 years and have participated in many rescues. I am usually the
one helping out others. Coming from Australia I was pretty unprepared for
dealing with the cold though. I had no idea of the dangers involved. I
just didn't stop to assess the situation, it seemed like it wasn't that
serious. The people in the hospital told me I could easily have lost a toe
or a finger to frostbite given the cold that I was exposed to.
*A hi lift jack is not an accessory, it's basic equipment.
*if you are going to play in water, expect to go for a swim
*valve covers will stop water from freezing up your valves
*carry water proof rubber shoes up to your knees if you want to play in water.
*you can still get into trouble close to home, especially in the cold.
*don't be afraid to just walk away.
What would I do differently in the future given my hard-earned
knowledge? I'd avoid water in winter for a start. If I was going to play
then I'd engage my hub locks and 4wd before entering the nasty stuff. I'd
bring a buddy to help me out. I would definitely not enter the water
without water proof shoes.
Stay safe,
Shaun
South Korea
37593 From: David R. W. Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 8:11am
Subject: RE: FW: I could use your help
No alarm with starter kill?
-----Original Message-----
From: Chatfield, Mike [mailto:Mike@AzChatfield.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:48 AM
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [az_vjc] FW: I could use your help
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Chastain [mailto:tazman85305@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:27 PM
To: Webmaster@AzVJC.org
Subject: I could use your help
I am a member of AZVJC and am looking for help. My XJ was stolen last night from where I work(39th ave. & VanBuren) and the police haven't found it. I have posted a reward poster on Off-Road.com and would like to get everyones help here in keeping an eye out. Is there anyway you could post the same thing here to get the members to help out? Or maybe even a e-mail asking for help? Below is a link to my post.
This is the second time in less than 40 days that it has been stolen and I really want it back. Thanks for any help.
http://bbs.off-road.com/wwwthreads//showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=offroadjeepcherokee&Number=626322&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5
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37594 From: RAM <ramaz@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 8:20am
Subject: Bought a CJ-7
Morning
Well my son and I bought a CJ-7 (it is a roll-over) to redo and turn into a rock crawler. It will be out numbered by the XJs but it will be fine.
I will be starting from scratch.
In the end we would like to run 35-36 tires on it, I was planning on dong a SOA conversion.
If we do a SOA how much additional lift will be needed to but 35-36 tires on it?
If anyone has their CJ-7 on their web site I would like to see them.
Looking forward to all the fun :-)
Randy
Randall A. Mutter 95XJ
ramaz@home.com
Thank goodness there are no 12 step programs for Jeeping...
37595 From: az_jeeper_mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 8:29am
Subject: Re: AZ VJC chat problems
I was on a mini-vacation this week, just now reading this.
The problem is that you need to "attach" your david.kozak@b...
address to your Yahoo ID. To do this, goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups
(you may need to log into Yahoo)
Then click on the link that says something like "Don't see all of
your groups? Click Here." and then follow the directions.
- Mike
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Witt" <k7ant@t...> wrote:
> I think your AZVJC and Yahoo accounts have to be the same name or
email address. I posted this to the group to see if maybe someone
else can help also David.
> Anyone with a better idea? Mike or Stu, Joe. Hello?? Anyone else
here on Sunday morning?
> Bill W
> K7ANT
> 97 TJ with a few mods.
> http://k7ant.rockcrawler.com/
> Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and 4 wheeler's country.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Kozak
> To: k7ant@t...
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 11:16 AM
> Subject: AZ VJC chat problems
>
>
> I hope you can help me, Bill. I am a member of AZ VJC. I also
have a Yahoo account, and I registered my Yahoo account to AZ_VJC.
My Yahoo account name is kozakdavid. My Yahoo e-mail is
kozakdavid@y..., which is different than my AZ VJC e-mail of
david.kozak@b... I don't know if this is my problem, but, when I try
to access anything within Yahoo, Yahoo welcomes me by name
(kozakdavid), but says I am not a member of az_vjc. Can you help me
get past this roadblock. Thanks.
37596 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 9:05am
Subject: RE: Bought a CJ-7
Welcome fellow Real Jeeper |;-0
Don't waste money on 35-36 if you are really just rocking with it. Go straight to 38s and all that and save money from redoing it later...
Ross
84CJ7
-----Original Message-----
From: RAM [mailto:ramaz@home.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:20 AM
To: Azvjc
Subject: [az_vjc] Bought a CJ-7
Morning
Well my son and I bought a CJ-7 (it is a roll-over) to redo and turn into a rock crawler. It will be out numbered by the XJs but it will be fine.
I will be starting from scratch.
In the end we would like to run 35-36 tires on it, I was planning on dong a SOA conversion.
If we do a SOA how much additional lift will be needed to but 35-36 tires on it?
If anyone has their CJ-7 on their web site I would like to see them.
Looking forward to all the fun :-)
Randy
Randall A. Mutter 95XJ
ramaz@home.com
Thank goodness there are no 12 step programs for Jeeping...
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37597 From: <hillb@s...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 9:09am
Subject: RE: FW: I could use your help
Man, I'm sorry to hear about your rig. I'll keep an eye out for it.
This brings up a good point. I can't remember if it was here or on JU that
I read about some guys putting in a "home brew" starter/ignition kill
switch. Does anyone have any experience with this or heard of anyone doing
it.
Thanks,
Ben
Grape Ape XJ
"David R. W.
Withers" To: "'Chatfield, Mike'" <Mike@A...>,
<dr_ww@hotmai <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
l.com> cc:
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] FW: I could use your help
12/20/2001
09:11 AM
No alarm with starter kill?
-----Original Message-----
From: Chatfield, Mike [mailto:Mike@A...]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:48 AM
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [az_vjc] FW: I could use your help
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Chastain [mailto:tazman85305@e...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:27 PM
To: Webmaster@A...
Subject: I could use your help
I am a member of AZVJC and am looking for help. My XJ was stolen last
night from where I work(39th ave. & VanBuren) and the police haven't
found it. I have posted a reward poster on Off-Road.com and would like
to get everyones help here in keeping an eye out. Is there anyway you
could post the same thing here to get the members to help out? Or
maybe even a e-mail asking for help? Below is a link to my post.
This is the second time in less than 40 days that it has been stolen
and I really want it back. Thanks for any help.
http://bbs.off-road.com/wwwthreads//showflat.pl?Cat
=&Board=offroadjeepcherokee&Number=626322&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5
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37598 From: ROBERT NYBERG <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 9:09am
Subject: Re: ASA Members
Mike
The applications have to go to the treasurer, Elliott, first and then to
myself. I am not sure if the Board would approve of this or not. The
explanation on the AZVJC site would be great. Do you have a link to the
ASA site? You might want to ask Wendi Kawa our web person if you haven't
already. wendi@t... Thanks for all your support.
Bob
az_jeeper_mike wrote:
> Bob,
>
> Do you think it would be possible for me to create an "online"
> application for the ASA4WDC? I could set up an online form that
> would e-mail you all of the required information and then the
> applicants could send the money via Paypall or Snail-Mail?
>
> Either way I want to add a page to the AzVJC that encourages and
> explains how to join the ASA4WDC as an Individual.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Mike
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., ROBERT NYBERG <r.nyberg@w...> wrote:
> > I am for now, the Membership Chairman for the ASA. If anyone in
> AZVJC
> > has sent in a check for membership and not received your packet and
> > membership card, please send me your name, address and date you
> sent it
> > in. Thanks.
> >
> > Bob
37599 From: Darren Richards <r50880@e...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 9:19am
Subject: Re: FW: I could use your help
I have something almost as effective as a kill switch. I installed an
electric fuel pump and completely bypassed the mechanical pump. I put a
switch in a fairly inconspicuous place that turns the pump on and off.
I always just flip the switch when I park the jeep. If someone decided
to steal it, they'd get about one block away before running out of gas.
hillb@s... wrote:
>
> Man, I'm sorry to hear about your rig. I'll keep an eye out for it.
> This brings up a good point. I can't remember if it was here or on JU that
> I read about some guys putting in a "home brew" starter/ignition kill
> switch. Does anyone have any experience with this or heard of anyone doing
> it.
>
> Thanks,
> Ben
> Grape Ape XJ
>
>
> "David R. W.
> Withers" To: "'Chatfield, Mike'" <Mike@A...>,
> <dr_ww@hotmai <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> l.com> cc:
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] FW: I could use your help
> 12/20/2001
> 09:11 AM
>
>
>
> No alarm with starter kill?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chatfield, Mike [mailto:Mike@A...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:48 AM
> To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: [az_vjc] FW: I could use your help
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Chastain [mailto:tazman85305@e...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:27 PM
> To: Webmaster@A...
> Subject: I could use your help
>
> I am a member of AZVJC and am looking for help. My XJ was stolen last
> night from where I work(39th ave. & VanBuren) and the police haven't
> found it. I have posted a reward poster on Off-Road.com and would like
> to get everyones help here in keeping an eye out. Is there anyway you
> could post the same thing here to get the members to help out? Or
> maybe even a e-mail asking for help? Below is a link to my post.
> This is the second time in less than 40 days that it has been stolen
> and I really want it back. Thanks for any help.
> http://bbs.off-road.com/wwwthreads//showflat.pl?Cat
> =&Board=offroadjeepcherokee&Number=626322&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>
>
>
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37600 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 9:19am
Subject: RE: Bought a CJ-7
Thats what I did. I still have the I6 but it is getting Howell injection rightnow.
My sight is www.azcj7wide.alloffroad.com
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: RAM [mailto:ramaz@home.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 10:19 AM
To: 'Ross Skinner'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Bought a CJ-7
Hi Ross
It currently is a I6, auto with AMC20 and a D30 up front and I was afraid 38s were to big for the drive train. I was hoping to do 36s with the current stuff (just to get out there) then over time get a v-8 and some D60s to swap in.
RAM
Randall A. Mutter 95XJ
ramaz@home.com
Thank goodness there are no 12 step programs for Jeeping...
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s2bsi.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 10:05 AM
To: AZVJC (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Bought a CJ-7
Welcome fellow Real Jeeper |;-0
Don't waste money on 35-36 if you are really just rocking with it. Go straight to 38s and all that and save money from redoing it later...
Ross
84CJ7
-----Original Message-----
From: RAM [mailto:ramaz@home.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:20 AM
To: Azvjc
Subject: [az_vjc] Bought a CJ-7
Morning
Well my son and I bought a CJ-7 (it is a roll-over) to redo and turn into a rock crawler. It will be out numbered by the XJs but it will be fine.
I will be starting from scratch.
In the end we would like to run 35-36 tires on it, I was planning on dong a SOA conversion.
If we do a SOA how much additional lift will be needed to but 35-36 tires on it?
If anyone has their CJ-7 on their web site I would like to see them.
Looking forward to all the fun :-)
Randy
Randall A. Mutter 95XJ
ramaz@home.com
Thank goodness there are no 12 step programs for Jeeping...
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37601 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 9:30am
Subject: In otherwords, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year...
Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit my best wishes for an
environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive,
gender neutral celebration of the winter solstice
holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious
persuasion or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the
religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or their
choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all;"
and
"a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and medically uncomplicated
recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year, but not
without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose
contributions to society have helped make America great, (not to imply that
America is necessarily greater than any other country or is the only
"AMERICA" in the western hemisphere), and without regard to the race, creed,
color, age, physical ability, religious faith, choice of computer platform,
or sexual preference of the wisher."
(Disclaimer: By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This
greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely
transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no
promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for
her/himself or others, and is void where prohibited by law, and is revocable
at the sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as
expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of one
year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever
comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or issuance
of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher who assumes no
responsibility for any unintended emotional stress these greetings may bring
to those not caught up in the holiday spirit.)
- Mike
(Yes, this is a Joke...)
37577 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 5:22am
Subject: Read the Archives... was RE: wheel spacers
Shaun,
Check the archives... we just had a HUGE discussion about wheel spacers.
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: imagineero [mailto:imagineero@x...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 5:58 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] wheel spacers
>
>
> Hi All,
> I've been looking around at wheel spacers lately after seeing
> some on some
> rigs while trailing. The rigs that I saw trailing had pretty
> big meats
> (35") and seemed to have a lot of spacer fitted, I'd guess
> maybe 3" to
> 5". What is the deal with these spacers? I've seen them for
> sale lots of
> times in different styles etc, but I don't really understand the
> benefits. Theoretically I guess they'd lower the center of
> gravity, maybe
> reduce the risk of rollover and in corners at speed probably
> reduce body
> roll, but by how much? Is there a noticeable difference
> after fitting
> these things? Are they likely to damage the wheel
> bearings/brakes etc? I
> think that most people probably fit them for the look, or
> maybe to get a
> bit more space so they can fit wider tires, but are there any
> other real
> benefits to them?
>
> Thanks,
> Shaun
> South Korea
>
>
>
>
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37578 From: imagineero <imagineero@x...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 5:53am
Subject: reversing shackles
if I were aiming to improve both my on and off road performance, especially
in relation to bump absorbing ability in the front, then which of the
following would be my best bet;
revolving shackles, or a shackle reversal?
Thanks,
Shaun
South Korea
37579 From: J & P Visic <jpvisic@n...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 6:24am
Subject: Re: [az_vj new SOA question??
Robert,
You can get good information, advice, and prices online at Tom Woods Custom
Drive Shafts @ 4xshaft.com. I bought a CV rear for my CJ there.
John V
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Holmes" <flamable_liquid@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:17 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] [az_vj new SOA question??
> With cost in mind how much (approx) does a rear driveshaft cost (83 CJ-8)
> the only cost i cant calculate is really the driveshaft. and while im at
it
> anyone know a good place to get it too. I really want to finish this by
then
> end of next month (really optimistic but reasonable) So as always any help
> would be really helpfull
>
> Yes ill weld this on :)
>
>
> >From: "Matt Ulepic" <mulepic@h...>
> >To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>, "steve94yj" <azjeeper@n...>
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Bolt on SOA question??
> >Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:51:38 -0700
> >
> >Hi, I have an '87 grand wagoneer that I did the SOA on. Just like you, I
> >wasn't a welder and used my engineering talent to create a bolt on
> >application. It worked. But not for long. When it was all said and
done
> >I
> >had to learn to weld and weld the perches. I won't say anything more
> >except
> >an SOA is anything but a 'bolt-on' type of modification.
> >Good luck,
> >Matt
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "steve94yj" <azjeeper@n...>
> >To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:11 AM
> >Subject: [az_vjc] Bolt on SOA question??
> >
> >
> > > I read the concerns of the people who commented on the FTS bolt on
> > > kit. I'm not an expert by any means so I take any advice from this
> > > club that I can get. One problem mentioned was that the straight bolts
> > > instead of u bolts wouldn't be enough to keep the axle in place under
> > > a pretty good load (climbing 3' rock). Couldn't you just place some
> > > small welds on the perch to fix this? Something of this caliber I
> > > could handle, but a full weld on soa is out of my league. If I'm
> > > wrong, please correct me. On that note, would anyone possibly know
> > > about how much I could get an soa (standard type) installed for? I
> > > already have the stock springs. I know about the shocks, SYE, etc.,
> > > I'm just concerned about the cost of the soa itself. Thanks for any
> > > advice.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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37580 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 6:29am
Subject: (OT)Sponsorship - funny
kinda makes you feel warm and fuzzy all over....
TJ Gill
75 CJ5
327/TH350
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37581 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 6:39am
Subject: RE: [azdd] Welding an AMC 20
Hay Michael how is it going? I have done this. It is one of the few week spots the model 20 has and not everyone has the problem. It is very easy to do and takes very little time. Call me at you convenience and I will explain how to do it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Wixom [mailto:certifiedinsp@msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:51 PM
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club
Cc: Arizona Dust Devils
Subject: [azdd] Welding an AMC 20
I have read in magazine articles, and seen a few mentions on here about welding the tubes to the housing on an AMC 20. Has anyone done this or have knowledge of how to do it. I will have some free time next week and was thinking of doing it to mine. Can it be done with the axles / gears in place. Does it need to be welded all the way around or just tacked? Any information, pictures, suggestions etc. would be helpful
Thanks,
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
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37582 From: Gary Holmes <niitoyis@w...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 6:41am
Subject: Re: Re: [az_az-vgc is REAL (just ask YAHOO)
Joe:
Can we talk about Jeeps there? I carry a big one but I do try to conceal it
(Camo Cow.)
Gary Holmes
Joe W wrote:
> Of Course the Arizona Virtual Gun Club (az_vgc) is real. There are enough
> people on this list who use, reload, conceal carry and have fun with their
> weapons... it made sense to create a new group to talk about guns and gun
> related items.
> It is certainly better than cluttering up this group with gun talk...
> although I suspect that a great many Jeepers carry or use weapons, it isn't
> really appropriate to force Jeepers to read about guns.
>
> So a new group was created.
>
> Make sense Marv? Come join us... it will be a hoot!
>
> Joe West
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marv Miller [mailto:mervalt@f...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 9:29 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [az_az-vgc is REAL (just ask YAHOO)
> >
> >
> > this message has been selectively censored. It started as a
> > diatribe to
> > whatever. It has now been cut to 18 words.
> > Yeah, carry a BIG gun, SAFELY.
> > Yeah, have lots of fun.
> > marv
> > (no, I didn't count to see if all 18 showed up in this verbal spew.)
> > Now I don't just have to watch what I'm rolling over, I have
> > to watch my
> > back.....
> > I gotta think that a group of responsible 4x4's don't even
> > need to think
> > about firepower, especially with a group. However. I
> > wouldn't blame anyone
> > for bringing a piece along for "security" reasons. The
> > trouble, again, is
> > "THOSE OTHER PEOPLE" Let us not be "those other people". PEACE
> > Just 0.02$ IMHO
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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37583 From: cruzeunit <cruzeunit@y...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 6:41am
Subject: Re: reversing shackles
Why not do both?
Or just do a spring over axle conversion.
But, that will give you a lot of lift you may not want.
A few months ago there was some good discussions on both these
topics. Do a search under "revolvers" or "shackle reversal"
I have both a SR & Revolver shackles. You can e-mail me direct if
you have any specific questions.
If I had to do it all over again I would have started with an SOA.
Dan Siegel
37584 From: keithberkshire <keithberkshire@y...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 6:42am
Subject: [MS] Member Sighting I-10
Yellow TJ With liscense plate "GIRL4X4"
Here is your wave
Keith
http://www.desertCJ7.com
37585 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 6:51am
Subject: RE: [azdd] Welding an AMC 20
You want to be very careful welding around the pumpkin. Remember the pumpkin is cast and to properly weld on cast you should use a high nickel rod like 7018 and preheat the cast. If you don't you will just make the cast brittle. The best way to fix this AMC 20 issue is to weld the holes. fill the hole with weld but keep the weld on the axle tubing that is inside the hole and try not to concentrate to much heat on the cast pumpkin.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Hedger [mailto:birdup@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 7:02 AM
To: certifiedinsp@msn.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Cc: azdd@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [azdd] Welding an AMC 20
Michael,
There are 2 ways to weld the tubes in place. You can either run 1/2 inch beads about 1/2 inch apart around the tube where it meets the pumpkin. You should be able to get about 4 welds in there. DON'T put one continuous weld on it, that'll make it even weaker. Or, you can fill the "holes" with weld where you would put a case spreader. This seems to work just as well, and is a little bit "easier".
>From: "Michael Wixom"
>To: "AZ Virtual Jeep Club"
>CC: "Arizona Dust Devils"
>Subject: [azdd] Welding an AMC 20
>Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:51:29 -0700
>
>I have read in magazine articles, and seen a few mentions on here about welding the tubes to the housing on an AMC 20. Has anyone done this or have knowledge of how to do it. I will have some free time next week and was thinking of doing it to mine. Can it be done with the axles / gears in place. Does it need to be welded all the way around or just tacked? Any information, pictures, suggestions etc. would be helpful
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mike Wixom
>85 CJ-7
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37586 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 6:51am
Subject: Re: todays run?
Marv,
JoeyK, RussellG & I (JamesT) did Upper Woodpecker 12/19.
Since it was a middle of the week run and there was only two of us
willing to commit, there was no official trip posting. Thus, no
official trip report. If there was more interest I would be happy to
make an official trip listing and trip report. I did post a link to
the pics for all to see what they missed along with taking a jab at
ScottK :).
I hope this clears some confussion.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Marv Miller" <mervalt@f...> wrote:
> didn't somebody go out today? I forgot where.
>
> trip reports?
> (I know this is not my job. I just ran out of things to talk about)
> I put the winter top and the doors on the CJ today and man it looks
funny. full coverage, when it hardly ever rains in AZ. But now I
can wear my Stetson inside the jeep w/o feeling too overwhelming to
all my fans. Marv
37587 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 7:05am
Subject: Re: reversing shackles
Revolving shackles are typically also folding shackles and their
purpose is to give you more articulation (with a side effect of
longer spring life due to less twisting). I don't know for sure
but I don't think they do anything for bump absorbing ability.
A shackle reversal can improve bump absorbing ability but I believe
only if you have arched springs. With arched springs, a shackle
reversal allows the wheels to move rearward when they hit a bump
and the springs compress. With flat springs, a shackle reversal
would cause the wheels to move forward - into the bump - when the
springs compress making the ride more harsh.
-Roger
imagineero wrote:
>
> if I were aiming to improve both my on and off road performance, especially
> in relation to bump absorbing ability in the front, then which of the
> following would be my best bet;
>
> revolving shackles, or a shackle reversal?
>
> Thanks,
> Shaun
> South Korea
>
>
>
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37588 From: David R. W. Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 7:03am
Subject: Member sighting
Raintree and 90th ST.
Tj with tan hardtop.
Here's your wave. I'm one of those lazy pathetic members without a sticker.
David R. W. Withers
Desk: 480.551.4667
Mobile: 480.215.6992
37589 From: paparoach85251 <lespaparoach@m...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 7:43am
Subject: Re: Member sighting
When are you gonna spend the 8 bucks for a couple stickers? :)
Les
--- In az_vjc@y..., "David R. W. Withers" <dr_ww@h...> wrote:
> Raintree and 90th ST.
> Tj with tan hardtop.
> Here's your wave. I'm one of those lazy pathetic members without a
> sticker.
>
> David R. W. Withers
> Desk: 480.551.4667
> Mobile: 480.215.6992
37590 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 7:47am
Subject: FW: I could use your help
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Chastain [mailto:tazman85305@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:27 PM
To: Webmaster@AzVJC.org
Subject: I could use your help
I am a member of AZVJC and am looking for help. My XJ was stolen last night from where I work(39th ave. & VanBuren) and the police haven't found it. I have posted a reward poster on Off-Road.com and would like to get everyones help here in keeping an eye out. Is there anyway you could post the same thing here to get the members to help out? Or maybe even a e-mail asking for help? Below is a link to my post.
This is the second time in less than 40 days that it has been stolen and I really want it back. Thanks for any help.
http://bbs.off-road.com/wwwthreads//showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=offroadjeepcherokee&Number=626322&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5
37591 From: David R. W. Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 8:08am
Subject: RE: Re: Member sighting
When the boss lets me, LOL.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: paparoach85251 [mailto:lespaparoach@m...]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:44 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Member sighting
When are you gonna spend the 8 bucks for a couple stickers? :)
Les
--- In az_vjc@y..., "David R. W. Withers" <dr_ww@h...> wrote:
> Raintree and 90th ST.
> Tj with tan hardtop.
> Here's your wave. I'm one of those lazy pathetic members without a
> sticker.
>
> David R. W. Withers
> Desk: 480.551.4667
> Mobile: 480.215.6992
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37592 From: imagineero <imagineero@x...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 7:56am
Subject: ...and I lived to tell about it
I thought I'd publicly confess about something stupid that I did
recently. Feel free to skip this message, but I feel that it might offer a
small lesson in risk assessment.......
A few days ago I was heading home, I live in a fairly populated suburb, but
I pass through some areas where not many people live. I live in South
Korea which is composed of about 80% mountains so there's lots of
off-roading to be had, even in heavily populated areas. I'd just got some
new tires fitted to my jeep (baja claw) and was very keen to test them
out. I had been running second hand road tires for a couple of months and
before that BFG MT's. There's a small stream that I pass pretty much every
day and I'd often driven across it or along it, even in 2WD with road
tires. It's only about 6"~8" deep, but it's composed of bottomless gravel
and sand, so it's important to keep moving.
I decided to have a quick blast through it on my way home, so I drive off
the road and approached the stream as I had done many time in the past. I
didn't anticipate any problems, I'd been there many times before and
besides, it was only 100 yards from a main road, what could go wrong? I
entered the stream in 2wd, I have manual locking hubs and hadn't bothered
to engage them. All was fine, but suddenly my cell phone rang. Answering
it was a natural reflex, but when I paused to pick up the jeep suddenly
bogged. I gave it a little gas in the hope of getting it moving, but it
just dug in further. I dropped the phone, stopped and figured I'd better
engage 4WD. I climbed out, crawled over my rig and engaged the manual hub
locks, got back inside and went for 4Low. I have open diffs at both
ends. After carefully trying to drive out I succeeded only in bogging
myself further. It was about -15C outside and the stream was frozen in a
lot of places. It was about 11pm. I still hadn't really stopped to
consider what I was doing, but decided on impulse to air down. I got out
and aired down to maybe about 10psi (I run 20 on road). If I had paused to
consider it I would have realized that airing down would lower my rig. I
was now dug in to the axles front and rear. The exhaust was underwater.
I started to realize the seriousness of the situation, but was still
optimistic about getting out and driving home, this was after all just a
local stream and a small one at that. There were cars wizzing by not far
away. I had a quick think about what I had to work with; There was a
small 3 ton hydraulic jack, a headlamp, a shovel. I decided to try to dig
around the jeep a little and then drive out. I figured it would be best to
remove my sneakers. Into the water i went. It was cold, but it didn't
really feel that bad. I started digging, front and rear, I realized too
late (about 20 minutes later) that the whole rig was pretty much sitting on
the gravel (gas tank, axles, the whole works) and that the digging wasn't
doing me much good. I had a go at driving out again and only sunk
further. I started to realize how cold it was when I tried to open my door
and my hand got stuck to the steel. Skin got ripped off.
I got back inside and thawed my feet for a short time. I had kept the
engine running the whole time. I figured I'd have to jack the jeep up and
stick things under the wheels. I decided to put my shoes on since I'd got
a few cuts on my feet. I got out again and started scouting around the
area for materials. I was hoping for some nice long metal poles. I'd had
success in the past with leaving the jeep in gear and driving by itself
then levering it out with poles. It's surprisingly easy to lift the entire
front end of a rig off the ground given enough leverage. Unfortunately the
only thing I could find was concrete blocks which were cumbersome and
heavy. They were at an abandoned half demolished building about 200 yards
away. I started to carry the blocks back 2 at a time. 5 trips later (in a
T-shirt) I figured I had enough blocks.
I got back into the stream, and put a block under the rig to start jacking
from. I needed a lot of lift, but the jack only gave me maybe 5 inches at
a time. Getting enough lift to put a block under the tire required jacking
the rig up, blocking it, then putting another brick under the jack and
jacking again, maybe 3 or 4 times to get up enough. Multiply this by 4
wheels and I was finished about an hour and a half later. All this was
done half way up to my knees in water. I realized pretty quick that my
hands were sticking to stuff that was made of steel. I used some rags to
prevent this. All was done, and I was tired, I'd lost all feeling in my
feet but still didn't really consider this to be a serious situation. I
climbed back in the rig and tried carefully to drive out. The blocks were
pushed aside straight into the bottomless gravel and I was right back where
I started. I felt pretty down. I still didn't think of it as being and
emergency, though in retrospect I was in serious danger of hyperthermia
after having been exposed to the cold air and ice water for 2 hours running
with nothing more than a T-shirt to wear.
I had a tow rope, so I got up to the main road and flagged down a truck. I
noticed that it was difficult to walk at that time. The truck drove down,
but wouldn't go near the stream for fear of being bogged. The rope was
about 50 feet long and rated to 3 tonnes, but it didn't reach far
enough. He offered to call a tow truck and I accepted. I waited for the
tow truck to arrive. During this time I noticed that the water in my shoes
had frozen to ice. I tried to remove the shoes, this resulted in skin being
ripped off my feet. The tow truck arrived and refused to go anywhere near
the water. He said he could arrange for a tow out, but it would require a
large truck that would cost a few hundred dollars. I thanked him for his
time and told him I could take care of it myself. I was barefoot and still
in a T-shirt. Definitely not thinking clearly. The engine was still
running, but I was getting low on gas. I decided finally, to leave it and
return the next day. I turned off the engine, locked up and headed to
catch a taxi home. It cost me $30.
I tried hailing a cab for about 30 minutes, unfortunately being a foreigner
in a conservative asian country at 3am wearing a T-shirt with no shoes
didn't help much. I finally decide to start walking down the road
(barefoot) and arrived about 40 minutes later at a gas station where they
called a cab for me. After getting home I couldn't sleep, I was shivering,
and my feet felt as though they were on fire. I went down to the emergency
center at my local hospital, they told me I had mild hyper thermia and
frostbite in my feet. They gave me some shots, and soaked my feet in
water. I got home again, and managed to drift off to sleep. I was too
sick to go to work the next day.
I woke up late, and figured I could spend the day pulling my rig out. I
hunted around the peninsula and found a hi-lift jack distributor. They
wanted $170 for a 48" cast iron model. Highway robbery? Sure, but I
needed it. They wanted another $30 for 2 hour delivery. I rode my
motorbike down there, the stream had frozen over more. I decided to try
jacking the rig up further and putting more blocks under and then try
winching out (using the hi-lift). Jacking the rig up was Oh-so-easy using
the hi-lift. I could jack up both rear wheels at the same time, high
enough to put blocks under them. Same deal at the front. It took only 30
minutes to get the rig jacked and get it blocked, but while I was lowering
the rig onto the blocks I slipped on the ice and lost control of the
jack. It smashed one of my side windows. The rig was raised now, but it
wouldn't start. The battery was dead. This battery had been on its way
out for some time and I had never gotten around to replacing it. I was now
paying for not having replaced it. The rig had spent the night half
immersed in water and there was ice all over it. I called my local
mechanic and he agreed to come out and replace the battery. He got out and
installed it, it started up 1st go. I tried to wheel out, but again the
blocks were pushed away and the rig sunk straight down again. I needed
some other materials to work with, but there was nothing. The guy offered
to pull me out, he had come out in a jeep and said he'd do the outcall fee
plus the pull out for $100. I didn't have much choice. I got successfully
out, but while getting back onto the road i turned too sharp on my aired
down tires (about 3psi in them) and one dropped a bead on one of the
rears. I had to wheel about 3 miles down the road to the nearest gas
station to get air. There was no damage to the tires or the rims. Baja
Claws are remarkable tires. The water that had gotten into the valves
prevented me from putting air in them. I had to melt the ice off. Valve
covers are important. I had lost (the only copy of) my motorbike key while
in the river. I had to pay another $30 to have a locksmith drive out and
make up a new key.
I had finally gotten my rig out, but what was the cost? To the rig, only a
broken window and a battery (which needed replacing anyway) $150 all
up. To me? Frostbite in my feet, hyperthermia, a ligering cold, numerous
cuts and abrasions to my hands and feet. A hi-lift jack $200 including
delivery. $100 for a tow out fee. $30 for the taxi, $30 for the bike
key. $510 all up. I still can't walk without limping, but it should be
fine in a few more days.
Lessons learned? Hard to say. I had always thought of myself as a person
who can assess risk accurately. I have held a mountain rescue license for
the past 6 years and have participated in many rescues. I am usually the
one helping out others. Coming from Australia I was pretty unprepared for
dealing with the cold though. I had no idea of the dangers involved. I
just didn't stop to assess the situation, it seemed like it wasn't that
serious. The people in the hospital told me I could easily have lost a toe
or a finger to frostbite given the cold that I was exposed to.
*A hi lift jack is not an accessory, it's basic equipment.
*if you are going to play in water, expect to go for a swim
*valve covers will stop water from freezing up your valves
*carry water proof rubber shoes up to your knees if you want to play in water.
*you can still get into trouble close to home, especially in the cold.
*don't be afraid to just walk away.
What would I do differently in the future given my hard-earned
knowledge? I'd avoid water in winter for a start. If I was going to play
then I'd engage my hub locks and 4wd before entering the nasty stuff. I'd
bring a buddy to help me out. I would definitely not enter the water
without water proof shoes.
Stay safe,
Shaun
South Korea
37593 From: David R. W. Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 8:11am
Subject: RE: FW: I could use your help
No alarm with starter kill?
-----Original Message-----
From: Chatfield, Mike [mailto:Mike@AzChatfield.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:48 AM
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [az_vjc] FW: I could use your help
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Chastain [mailto:tazman85305@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:27 PM
To: Webmaster@AzVJC.org
Subject: I could use your help
I am a member of AZVJC and am looking for help. My XJ was stolen last night from where I work(39th ave. & VanBuren) and the police haven't found it. I have posted a reward poster on Off-Road.com and would like to get everyones help here in keeping an eye out. Is there anyway you could post the same thing here to get the members to help out? Or maybe even a e-mail asking for help? Below is a link to my post.
This is the second time in less than 40 days that it has been stolen and I really want it back. Thanks for any help.
http://bbs.off-road.com/wwwthreads//showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=offroadjeepcherokee&Number=626322&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5
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37594 From: RAM <ramaz@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 8:20am
Subject: Bought a CJ-7
Morning
Well my son and I bought a CJ-7 (it is a roll-over) to redo and turn into a rock crawler. It will be out numbered by the XJs but it will be fine.
I will be starting from scratch.
In the end we would like to run 35-36 tires on it, I was planning on dong a SOA conversion.
If we do a SOA how much additional lift will be needed to but 35-36 tires on it?
If anyone has their CJ-7 on their web site I would like to see them.
Looking forward to all the fun :-)
Randy
Randall A. Mutter 95XJ
ramaz@home.com
Thank goodness there are no 12 step programs for Jeeping...
37595 From: az_jeeper_mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 8:29am
Subject: Re: AZ VJC chat problems
I was on a mini-vacation this week, just now reading this.
The problem is that you need to "attach" your david.kozak@b...
address to your Yahoo ID. To do this, goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups
(you may need to log into Yahoo)
Then click on the link that says something like "Don't see all of
your groups? Click Here." and then follow the directions.
- Mike
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Witt" <k7ant@t...> wrote:
> I think your AZVJC and Yahoo accounts have to be the same name or
email address. I posted this to the group to see if maybe someone
else can help also David.
> Anyone with a better idea? Mike or Stu, Joe. Hello?? Anyone else
here on Sunday morning?
> Bill W
> K7ANT
> 97 TJ with a few mods.
> http://k7ant.rockcrawler.com/
> Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and 4 wheeler's country.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Kozak
> To: k7ant@t...
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 11:16 AM
> Subject: AZ VJC chat problems
>
>
> I hope you can help me, Bill. I am a member of AZ VJC. I also
have a Yahoo account, and I registered my Yahoo account to AZ_VJC.
My Yahoo account name is kozakdavid. My Yahoo e-mail is
kozakdavid@y..., which is different than my AZ VJC e-mail of
david.kozak@b... I don't know if this is my problem, but, when I try
to access anything within Yahoo, Yahoo welcomes me by name
(kozakdavid), but says I am not a member of az_vjc. Can you help me
get past this roadblock. Thanks.
37596 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 9:05am
Subject: RE: Bought a CJ-7
Welcome fellow Real Jeeper |;-0
Don't waste money on 35-36 if you are really just rocking with it. Go straight to 38s and all that and save money from redoing it later...
Ross
84CJ7
-----Original Message-----
From: RAM [mailto:ramaz@home.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:20 AM
To: Azvjc
Subject: [az_vjc] Bought a CJ-7
Morning
Well my son and I bought a CJ-7 (it is a roll-over) to redo and turn into a rock crawler. It will be out numbered by the XJs but it will be fine.
I will be starting from scratch.
In the end we would like to run 35-36 tires on it, I was planning on dong a SOA conversion.
If we do a SOA how much additional lift will be needed to but 35-36 tires on it?
If anyone has their CJ-7 on their web site I would like to see them.
Looking forward to all the fun :-)
Randy
Randall A. Mutter 95XJ
ramaz@home.com
Thank goodness there are no 12 step programs for Jeeping...
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37597 From: <hillb@s...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 9:09am
Subject: RE: FW: I could use your help
Man, I'm sorry to hear about your rig. I'll keep an eye out for it.
This brings up a good point. I can't remember if it was here or on JU that
I read about some guys putting in a "home brew" starter/ignition kill
switch. Does anyone have any experience with this or heard of anyone doing
it.
Thanks,
Ben
Grape Ape XJ
"David R. W.
Withers" To: "'Chatfield, Mike'" <Mike@A...>,
<dr_ww@hotmai <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
l.com> cc:
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] FW: I could use your help
12/20/2001
09:11 AM
No alarm with starter kill?
-----Original Message-----
From: Chatfield, Mike [mailto:Mike@A...]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:48 AM
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [az_vjc] FW: I could use your help
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Chastain [mailto:tazman85305@e...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:27 PM
To: Webmaster@A...
Subject: I could use your help
I am a member of AZVJC and am looking for help. My XJ was stolen last
night from where I work(39th ave. & VanBuren) and the police haven't
found it. I have posted a reward poster on Off-Road.com and would like
to get everyones help here in keeping an eye out. Is there anyway you
could post the same thing here to get the members to help out? Or
maybe even a e-mail asking for help? Below is a link to my post.
This is the second time in less than 40 days that it has been stolen
and I really want it back. Thanks for any help.
http://bbs.off-road.com/wwwthreads//showflat.pl?Cat
=&Board=offroadjeepcherokee&Number=626322&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5
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37598 From: ROBERT NYBERG <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 9:09am
Subject: Re: ASA Members
Mike
The applications have to go to the treasurer, Elliott, first and then to
myself. I am not sure if the Board would approve of this or not. The
explanation on the AZVJC site would be great. Do you have a link to the
ASA site? You might want to ask Wendi Kawa our web person if you haven't
already. wendi@t... Thanks for all your support.
Bob
az_jeeper_mike wrote:
> Bob,
>
> Do you think it would be possible for me to create an "online"
> application for the ASA4WDC? I could set up an online form that
> would e-mail you all of the required information and then the
> applicants could send the money via Paypall or Snail-Mail?
>
> Either way I want to add a page to the AzVJC that encourages and
> explains how to join the ASA4WDC as an Individual.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Mike
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., ROBERT NYBERG <r.nyberg@w...> wrote:
> > I am for now, the Membership Chairman for the ASA. If anyone in
> AZVJC
> > has sent in a check for membership and not received your packet and
> > membership card, please send me your name, address and date you
> sent it
> > in. Thanks.
> >
> > Bob
37599 From: Darren Richards <r50880@e...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 9:19am
Subject: Re: FW: I could use your help
I have something almost as effective as a kill switch. I installed an
electric fuel pump and completely bypassed the mechanical pump. I put a
switch in a fairly inconspicuous place that turns the pump on and off.
I always just flip the switch when I park the jeep. If someone decided
to steal it, they'd get about one block away before running out of gas.
hillb@s... wrote:
>
> Man, I'm sorry to hear about your rig. I'll keep an eye out for it.
> This brings up a good point. I can't remember if it was here or on JU that
> I read about some guys putting in a "home brew" starter/ignition kill
> switch. Does anyone have any experience with this or heard of anyone doing
> it.
>
> Thanks,
> Ben
> Grape Ape XJ
>
>
> "David R. W.
> Withers" To: "'Chatfield, Mike'" <Mike@A...>,
> <dr_ww@hotmai <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> l.com> cc:
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] FW: I could use your help
> 12/20/2001
> 09:11 AM
>
>
>
> No alarm with starter kill?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chatfield, Mike [mailto:Mike@A...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:48 AM
> To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: [az_vjc] FW: I could use your help
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Chastain [mailto:tazman85305@e...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:27 PM
> To: Webmaster@A...
> Subject: I could use your help
>
> I am a member of AZVJC and am looking for help. My XJ was stolen last
> night from where I work(39th ave. & VanBuren) and the police haven't
> found it. I have posted a reward poster on Off-Road.com and would like
> to get everyones help here in keeping an eye out. Is there anyway you
> could post the same thing here to get the members to help out? Or
> maybe even a e-mail asking for help? Below is a link to my post.
> This is the second time in less than 40 days that it has been stolen
> and I really want it back. Thanks for any help.
> http://bbs.off-road.com/wwwthreads//showflat.pl?Cat
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37600 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 9:19am
Subject: RE: Bought a CJ-7
Thats what I did. I still have the I6 but it is getting Howell injection rightnow.
My sight is www.azcj7wide.alloffroad.com
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: RAM [mailto:ramaz@home.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 10:19 AM
To: 'Ross Skinner'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Bought a CJ-7
Hi Ross
It currently is a I6, auto with AMC20 and a D30 up front and I was afraid 38s were to big for the drive train. I was hoping to do 36s with the current stuff (just to get out there) then over time get a v-8 and some D60s to swap in.
RAM
Randall A. Mutter 95XJ
ramaz@home.com
Thank goodness there are no 12 step programs for Jeeping...
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s2bsi.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 10:05 AM
To: AZVJC (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Bought a CJ-7
Welcome fellow Real Jeeper |;-0
Don't waste money on 35-36 if you are really just rocking with it. Go straight to 38s and all that and save money from redoing it later...
Ross
84CJ7
-----Original Message-----
From: RAM [mailto:ramaz@home.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 9:20 AM
To: Azvjc
Subject: [az_vjc] Bought a CJ-7
Morning
Well my son and I bought a CJ-7 (it is a roll-over) to redo and turn into a rock crawler. It will be out numbered by the XJs but it will be fine.
I will be starting from scratch.
In the end we would like to run 35-36 tires on it, I was planning on dong a SOA conversion.
If we do a SOA how much additional lift will be needed to but 35-36 tires on it?
If anyone has their CJ-7 on their web site I would like to see them.
Looking forward to all the fun :-)
Randy
Randall A. Mutter 95XJ
ramaz@home.com
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37601 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Thu Dec 20, 2001 9:30am
Subject: In otherwords, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year...
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