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37527 From: ROBERT NYBERG <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 6:34am
Subject: ASA Members
I am for now, the Membership Chairman for the ASA. If anyone in AZVJC
has sent in a check for membership and not received your packet and
membership card, please send me your name, address and date you sent it
in. Thanks.
Bob
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37528 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 6:50am
Subject: RE: Fire Extinquisher
Lynch,
CO2 will kill a person just as dead as Halon will. The last time I checked,
they both displace oxygen and without, you are not doing well anymore. If
memory serves me correctly, they are both "heavier than air" (I'm sure
someone will correct me on that if I am wrong).
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: lynch [mailto:lynch@v...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:55 PM
To: Gary Holmes
Cc: jeepin_in_az; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Fire Extinquisher
I wasn't sure if the 'corrosion' bit was true or not.. and with halon one
runs the risk of asphyxiating people too. Ya can't win! As long as you
aren't spraying me with halon, by all means don't ignore my rig! :P
(i.e. no offense was intended)
At least with the old CO2 units you could spray people -- perhaps not
recommended behavior, but a science teacher way back in high school
blasted me with one for not paying attention in class. :/
-lynch
On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 09:04:10PM -0700, Gary Holmes wrote:
> Lynch:
>
> You're right, it was ABC and there is some concern about that but then
again, if
> you let the fire go it becomes a mote point. The Halon extinguishers were
about
> $180.00 each for 5 lb. If you want, I will ignore a fire on your rig.
>
> Gary Holmes
>
> lynch wrote:
>
> > Gary and Mike:
> >
> > On both of your extinguishers, were they CO2 or the ABC dry type? I
believe
> > the ABC type can corrode electronics and such, can anyone verify this?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > lynch
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 04:49:38PM -0700, Gary Holmes wrote:
> > > Mike and Crew:
> > >
> > > I went to Roadrunner Fire Extinguisher etc. company recently and
picked up
> > > used (but guaranteed) 5 lb. fire extinguishers for approx. $32.00
each. Put
> > > 2 in the Camo Cow. Can't have enough fire extinguishers when you need
them
> > > (from personal experience.)
> > >
> > > Gary Holmes
> > >
> > > Yeah, they were fully charged!
> > >
> > > jeepin_in_az wrote:
> > >
> > > > Just got back from Sam's Club (I gotta stay away from there!), and
> > > > picked up a 2 pack of 2.5 lbs fire extinquishers for $17. That is
> > > > pretty cheap from what I have seen. I am going to wrap mine up and
> > > > put it under the tree, "To: Mike, From: Santa!"
> > > >
> > > > Mike Baney
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> > >
> > >
>
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37529 From: Gary Holmes <niitoyis@w...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 7:07am
Subject: Re: Fire Extinquisher
Stu:
With the CO2 you also run the risk of freezing things you might not want
frozen. Thermal shock comes to mind along with rapid contraction of hot metal
or other types of surfaces.
Gary Holmes
Stu Olson wrote:
> Lynch,
>
> CO2 will kill a person just as dead as Halon will. The last time I checked,
> they both displace oxygen and without, you are not doing well anymore. If
> memory serves me correctly, they are both "heavier than air" (I'm sure
> someone will correct me on that if I am wrong).
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lynch [mailto:lynch@v...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:55 PM
> To: Gary Holmes
> Cc: jeepin_in_az; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Fire Extinquisher
>
> I wasn't sure if the 'corrosion' bit was true or not.. and with halon one
> runs the risk of asphyxiating people too. Ya can't win! As long as you
> aren't spraying me with halon, by all means don't ignore my rig! :P
> (i.e. no offense was intended)
>
> At least with the old CO2 units you could spray people -- perhaps not
> recommended behavior, but a science teacher way back in high school
> blasted me with one for not paying attention in class. :/
>
> -lynch
>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 09:04:10PM -0700, Gary Holmes wrote:
> > Lynch:
> >
> > You're right, it was ABC and there is some concern about that but then
> again, if
> > you let the fire go it becomes a mote point. The Halon extinguishers were
> about
> > $180.00 each for 5 lb. If you want, I will ignore a fire on your rig.
> >
> > Gary Holmes
> >
> > lynch wrote:
> >
> > > Gary and Mike:
> > >
> > > On both of your extinguishers, were they CO2 or the ABC dry type? I
> believe
> > > the ABC type can corrode electronics and such, can anyone verify this?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > lynch
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 04:49:38PM -0700, Gary Holmes wrote:
> > > > Mike and Crew:
> > > >
> > > > I went to Roadrunner Fire Extinguisher etc. company recently and
> picked up
> > > > used (but guaranteed) 5 lb. fire extinguishers for approx. $32.00
> each. Put
> > > > 2 in the Camo Cow. Can't have enough fire extinguishers when you need
> them
> > > > (from personal experience.)
> > > >
> > > > Gary Holmes
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, they were fully charged!
> > > >
> > > > jeepin_in_az wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Just got back from Sam's Club (I gotta stay away from there!), and
> > > > > picked up a 2 pack of 2.5 lbs fire extinquishers for $17. That is
> > > > > pretty cheap from what I have seen. I am going to wrap mine up and
> > > > > put it under the tree, "To: Mike, From: Santa!"
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Baney
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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37530 From: msa12171 <msa12171@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 7:51am
Subject: Attn: O-R Fab
I've been trying to schedule a date to come in for some work, but
have not had very good luck getting someone that is very interested.
If someone on here works for O-R Fab, or knows someone, can you have
them call me. Thanks.
Mike Anderson
602-433-3740 wk
602-361-2259 cell
37531 From: phxsteele2000 <phxsteele2000@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 8:44am
Subject: Wire Feed Welder Suggestions
I am getting ready to buy myself a wire feed welder for christmas.
I have about 300 bucks to spend and I have been looking at a craftman
as Sears. Is this a good welder to get. I have only used a wire feed
welder 1 time. I seemed to catch on pretty quickly. The one I am
looking at has the gas option. But it is not required. TIA......Steele
37532 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 9:23am
Subject: Re: Wire Feed Welder Suggestions
My brother has that one, not too bad for small stuff. Definatly get
the gas for it, without it, it sucks. If you can hold onto the money
and not let it burn a hole in your pocket, keep on looking.
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "phxsteele2000" <phxsteele2000@a...> wrote:
> I am getting ready to buy myself a wire feed welder for
christmas.
> I have about 300 bucks to spend and I have been looking at a
craftman
> as Sears. Is this a good welder to get. I have only used a wire
feed
> welder 1 time. I seemed to catch on pretty quickly. The one I am
> looking at has the gas option. But it is not required.
TIA......Steele
37533 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 9:25am
Subject: RE: Guns and self defense
I read that from Tom but it does not make sense. What I think I read him say
was that if some one was threading my family with deadly force I can not
defend them without killing the that person unless it is on my property.
Sorry but If I can counter a threat of deadly force against my family by
brandishing a weapon to detour the threat I will. If you ever read an NRA
mag. section called the armed citizen this is done all the time.
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred [mailto:fredtj@h...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:40 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Tom LaFrance
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Guns and self defense
Thanks for clearing it up Tom. I dropped it, as no one was going to believe
it. Like I mentioned, unless laws have changed in the last 4 or 5 years,
that's what was drilled into us when I took a the class, and is in the "blue
book", as I remember it . I have the book still somewhere).. You can't
threaten, you just do, if the case justifies it, and, as I mentioned, if it
ever happens, remember that one of the two (the shooter or the shootee) has
committed a very serious crime.
The tresspassing part has another thing that I found interesting, regarding
the state laws. You *can't* legally shoot someone for criminal tresspass,
however you *can* threaten to. Strange state ;)
I should probably stay updated on state laws, as maybe somethings changed.
When I took the class, rape has another time where deadly force could be
used.
:)
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom LaFrance" <tlafrance@j...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 4:54 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Guns and self defense
> Only when someone is about to kill you (or a 3rd party) can you use
> deadly force to prevent their actions.
>
> You may ONLY threaten the use of deadly force to prevent criminal
> trespass.
>
> Anything else can be considered brandishing under the disorderly conduct
> code and is a class 6 felony with an average sentence of 3 years in
> prison.
>
> JW: A SIG 220 only carries 8 + 1, thats 1 more than my revo :-) I'll
> take you up on some friendly competition anytime to change your mind
> regarding reloading with speed loaders as well. BTW you can chose which
> hand I use to make it fair :-p
>
> Tom LaFrance
>
>
>
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>
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37534 From: Tom LaFrance <tlafrance@j...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 9:44am
Subject: Re: Guns and self defense
Randy,
I said you can only THREATEN the use of deadly force to prevent criminal
trespass. However, should you (or a third party) be threatened with a
dangerous instrument or deadly weapon you CAN use deadly force. I
suggest you or anyone take a CCW class to get the specifics regarding the
law in AZ. The most important thing I teach is how NOT to have to use
deadly force by AVOIDING the problems in the first place. Using deadly
force is a last resort and threatening (brandishing) to use it (and
giving up a tactical advantage) may cause a situation to escalate.
Tom
On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:25:33 -0600 "Siade, Randy"
<randy.siade@u...> writes:
> I read that from Tom but it does not make sense. What I think I read
> him say
> was that if some one was threading my family with deadly force I can
> not
> defend them without killing the that person unless it is on my
> property.
> Sorry but If I can counter a threat of deadly force against my
> family by
> brandishing a weapon to detour the threat I will. If you ever read
> an NRA
> mag. section called the armed citizen this is done all the time.
>
------------------------------------------------------------
"Those who live by the sword, get shot by those who don't"
37535 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 9:58am
Subject: Re: ........GUNS----->Please read this
I use good ol' luisville slugger left side between the seat and side
of the jeep!! ;) I take a 410 out with me when I camp, and sometimes
the ol glock .40, but I hardly ever take it with me on a run. I wheel
in groups, so I am not worried about yahoos because they dont
normally mess with you if there is more than one Jeep. Sure 1 is easy
to catch but two or more, they know someone can get away. As far as
gun going off while driving, a little velcro goes a long way!! I just
have a little strip in the glove box, so that the gun doesnt bounce
arround, plus I dont have one in the chamber, I usually even have the
mag next to the gun in the case and not in it!! (I have kids, the
safer the better... I even have a little lock on the zipper to kid
proof it when they are in the Jeep) -Rob
37536 From: Sullivan, Len <kermit@e...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 10:05am
Subject: RE: Re: ........GUNS----->Please read this
"There's nothing like a nice piece of hickory"
Hi Rob
I have to agree with you on the slugger. Pam keeps a Bianchi aluminum
nightstick in her truck, and I have an old hickory nightstick in my car.
There's really only one thing you can do with a gun.....the stick gives you
many other options if you know how to use it.
Len
On Wednesday, December 19, 2001 10:59 AM, g_rob_williams
[SMTP:g_rob_williams@y...] wrote:
> I use good ol' luisville slugger left side between the seat and side
> of the jeep!! ;) I take a 410 out with me when I camp, and sometimes
> the ol glock .40, but I hardly ever take it with me on a run. I wheel
> in groups, so I am not worried about yahoos because they dont
> normally mess with you if there is more than one Jeep. Sure 1 is easy
> to catch but two or more, they know someone can get away. As far as
> gun going off while driving, a little velcro goes a long way!! I just
> have a little strip in the glove box, so that the gun doesnt bounce
> arround, plus I dont have one in the chamber, I usually even have the
> mag next to the gun in the case and not in it!! (I have kids, the
> safer the better... I even have a little lock on the zipper to kid
> proof it when they are in the Jeep) -Rob
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
37537 From: steve94yj <azjeeper@n...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 10:11am
Subject: Bolt on SOA question??
I read the concerns of the people who commented on the FTS bolt on
kit. I'm not an expert by any means so I take any advice from this
club that I can get. One problem mentioned was that the straight bolts
instead of u bolts wouldn't be enough to keep the axle in place under
a pretty good load (climbing 3' rock). Couldn't you just place some
small welds on the perch to fix this? Something of this caliber I
could handle, but a full weld on soa is out of my league. If I'm
wrong, please correct me. On that note, would anyone possibly know
about how much I could get an soa (standard type) installed for? I
already have the stock springs. I know about the shocks, SYE, etc.,
I'm just concerned about the cost of the soa itself. Thanks for any
advice.
Steve
37538 From: Nick <nnote@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 10:40am
Subject: Re: Bolt on SOA question??
There are people in the group that have made an SOA for so much cheaper than
that kit! An SOA isn't really that expensive. The new shocks and
driveshaft and steering correction peices are.
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve94yj" <azjeeper@n...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:11 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Bolt on SOA question??
> I read the concerns of the people who commented on the FTS bolt on
> kit. I'm not an expert by any means so I take any advice from this
> club that I can get. One problem mentioned was that the straight bolts
> instead of u bolts wouldn't be enough to keep the axle in place under
> a pretty good load (climbing 3' rock). Couldn't you just place some
> small welds on the perch to fix this? Something of this caliber I
> could handle, but a full weld on soa is out of my league. If I'm
> wrong, please correct me. On that note, would anyone possibly know
> about how much I could get an soa (standard type) installed for? I
> already have the stock springs. I know about the shocks, SYE, etc.,
> I'm just concerned about the cost of the soa itself. Thanks for any
> advice.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
37539 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 10:41am
Subject: RE: Bolt on SOA question??
Very true. Spring perches are $34 a pair. Most every thing else is nickel
time except the items Nick listed.
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick [mailto:nnote@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:41 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; steve94yj
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Bolt on SOA question??
There are people in the group that have made an SOA for so much cheaper than
that kit! An SOA isn't really that expensive. The new shocks and
driveshaft and steering correction peices are.
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve94yj" <azjeeper@n...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:11 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Bolt on SOA question??
> I read the concerns of the people who commented on the FTS bolt on
> kit. I'm not an expert by any means so I take any advice from this
> club that I can get. One problem mentioned was that the straight bolts
> instead of u bolts wouldn't be enough to keep the axle in place under
> a pretty good load (climbing 3' rock). Couldn't you just place some
> small welds on the perch to fix this? Something of this caliber I
> could handle, but a full weld on soa is out of my league. If I'm
> wrong, please correct me. On that note, would anyone possibly know
> about how much I could get an soa (standard type) installed for? I
> already have the stock springs. I know about the shocks, SYE, etc.,
> I'm just concerned about the cost of the soa itself. Thanks for any
> advice.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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37540 From: dionbozman <amstaff@e...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 10:55am
Subject: Re: Bolt on SOA question??
You should contact Bill Mish, a VJC member. He's done several
springovers (including mine) and I'm incredibly pleased with the
results.
Dion
--- In az_vjc@y..., "steve94yj" <azjeeper@n...> wrote:
> I read the concerns of the people who commented on the FTS bolt on
> kit. I'm not an expert by any means so I take any advice from this
> club that I can get. One problem mentioned was that the straight bolts
> instead of u bolts wouldn't be enough to keep the axle in place under
> a pretty good load (climbing 3' rock). Couldn't you just place some
> small welds on the perch to fix this? Something of this caliber I
> could handle, but a full weld on soa is out of my league. If I'm
> wrong, please correct me. On that note, would anyone possibly know
> about how much I could get an soa (standard type) installed for? I
> already have the stock springs. I know about the shocks, SYE, etc.,
> I'm just concerned about the cost of the soa itself. Thanks for any
> advice.
>
> Steve
37541 From: cmandrick007 <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 11:04am
Subject: Re: ........GUNS----->Please read this
My 4 D-cell Mag lite took the fight out of an assailant this summer.
I have a CCW, but I was not carrying when a drunk teen ager rear-
ended my Jeep on a Saturday night after I left work @ Chilis. IMHO,
I think everyone involved is far better off than if I had my .38
close at hand.
Chris M
87 YJ turd brown
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Sullivan, Len" <kermit@e...> wrote:
> "There's nothing like a nice piece of hickory"
>
> Hi Rob
>
> I have to agree with you on the slugger. Pam keeps a Bianchi
aluminum
> nightstick in her truck, and I have an old hickory nightstick in my
car.
> There's really only one thing you can do with a gun.....the stick
gives you
> many other options if you know how to use it.
>
> Len
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 19, 2001 10:59 AM, g_rob_williams
> [SMTP:g_rob_williams@y...] wrote:
> > I use good ol' luisville slugger left side between the seat and
side
> > of the jeep!! ;) I take a 410 out with me when I camp, and
sometimes
> > the ol glock .40, but I hardly ever take it with me on a run. I
wheel
> > in groups, so I am not worried about yahoos because they dont
> > normally mess with you if there is more than one Jeep. Sure 1 is
easy
> > to catch but two or more, they know someone can get away. As far
as
> > gun going off while driving, a little velcro goes a long way!! I
just
> > have a little strip in the glove box, so that the gun doesnt
bounce
> > arround, plus I dont have one in the chamber, I usually even have
the
> > mag next to the gun in the case and not in it!! (I have kids, the
> > safer the better... I even have a little lock on the zipper to
kid
> > proof it when they are in the Jeep) -Rob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
37542 From: David R. W. Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 11:06am
Subject: RE: Re: Bolt on SOA question??
Although Bill didn't do a spring over for me, he did some welding. He
did a great job and took the time to make sure it was right. If he'll
do the work for you, you be very thankful.
Plus you need to see his crazy rig.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: dionbozman [mailto:amstaff@e...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:56 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Bolt on SOA question??
You should contact Bill Mish, a VJC member. He's done several
springovers (including mine) and I'm incredibly pleased with the
results. Dion
--- In az_vjc@y..., "steve94yj" <azjeeper@n...> wrote:
> I read the concerns of the people who commented on the FTS bolt on
> kit. I'm not an expert by any means so I take any advice from this
> club that I can get. One problem mentioned was that the straight bolts
> instead of u bolts wouldn't be enough to keep the axle in place under
> a pretty good load (climbing 3' rock). Couldn't you just place some
> small welds on the perch to fix this? Something of this caliber I
> could handle, but a full weld on soa is out of my league. If I'm
> wrong, please correct me. On that note, would anyone possibly know
> about how much I could get an soa (standard type) installed for? I
> already have the stock springs. I know about the shocks, SYE, etc.,
> I'm just concerned about the cost of the soa itself. Thanks for any
> advice.
>
> Steve
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37543 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 11:01am
Subject: RE: Re: ........GUNS----->Please read this
Maybe you should have both. Don't bring a stick to a knife or gun fight..
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: cmandrick007 [mailto:cmandrick@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:04 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: ........GUNS----->Please read this
My 4 D-cell Mag lite took the fight out of an assailant this summer.
I have a CCW, but I was not carrying when a drunk teen ager rear-
ended my Jeep on a Saturday night after I left work @ Chilis. IMHO,
I think everyone involved is far better off than if I had my .38
close at hand.
Chris M
87 YJ turd brown
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Sullivan, Len" <kermit@e...> wrote:
> "There's nothing like a nice piece of hickory"
>
> Hi Rob
>
> I have to agree with you on the slugger. Pam keeps a Bianchi
aluminum
> nightstick in her truck, and I have an old hickory nightstick in my
car.
> There's really only one thing you can do with a gun.....the stick
gives you
> many other options if you know how to use it.
>
> Len
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 19, 2001 10:59 AM, g_rob_williams
> [SMTP:g_rob_williams@y...] wrote:
> > I use good ol' luisville slugger left side between the seat and
side
> > of the jeep!! ;) I take a 410 out with me when I camp, and
sometimes
> > the ol glock .40, but I hardly ever take it with me on a run. I
wheel
> > in groups, so I am not worried about yahoos because they dont
> > normally mess with you if there is more than one Jeep. Sure 1 is
easy
> > to catch but two or more, they know someone can get away. As far
as
> > gun going off while driving, a little velcro goes a long way!! I
just
> > have a little strip in the glove box, so that the gun doesnt
bounce
> > arround, plus I dont have one in the chamber, I usually even have
the
> > mag next to the gun in the case and not in it!! (I have kids, the
> > safer the better... I even have a little lock on the zipper to
kid
> > proof it when they are in the Jeep) -Rob
> >
> >
> >
> >
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37544 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 11:21am
Subject: [FS] (wanted) one 245/75/16 tire new or used
Price:
Contact: sparkyman222@aol.com
37545 From: Michael Wixom <certifiedinsp@m...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 11:51am
Subject: Welding an AMC 20
I have read in magazine articles, and seen a few mentions on here about welding the tubes to the housing on an AMC 20. Has anyone done this or have knowledge of how to do it. I will have some free time next week and was thinking of doing it to mine. Can it be done with the axles / gears in place. Does it need to be welded all the way around or just tacked? Any information, pictures, suggestions etc. would be helpful
Thanks,
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
37546 From: Matt Ulepic <mulepic@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 11:51am
Subject: Re: Bolt on SOA question??
Hi, I have an '87 grand wagoneer that I did the SOA on. Just like you, I
wasn't a welder and used my engineering talent to create a bolt on
application. It worked. But not for long. When it was all said and done I
had to learn to weld and weld the perches. I won't say anything more except
an SOA is anything but a 'bolt-on' type of modification.
Good luck,
Matt
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve94yj" <azjeeper@n...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:11 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Bolt on SOA question??
> I read the concerns of the people who commented on the FTS bolt on
> kit. I'm not an expert by any means so I take any advice from this
> club that I can get. One problem mentioned was that the straight bolts
> instead of u bolts wouldn't be enough to keep the axle in place under
> a pretty good load (climbing 3' rock). Couldn't you just place some
> small welds on the perch to fix this? Something of this caliber I
> could handle, but a full weld on soa is out of my league. If I'm
> wrong, please correct me. On that note, would anyone possibly know
> about how much I could get an soa (standard type) installed for? I
> already have the stock springs. I know about the shocks, SYE, etc.,
> I'm just concerned about the cost of the soa itself. Thanks for any
> advice.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
37547 From: brent_lizakowski <brent_lizakowski@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 11:58am
Subject: Re: Wire Feed Welder Suggestions
Do it right the first time so you don't have to do it again.
I'll admit, I'm not an expert on welding, or on welders... but I say
save up a bit more and pick up something you know will last. When I
researched what I wanted to get, two names kept popping up - Miller
and Hobart. Most Hobart machines have pretty much the same internals
as the Miller machines, but they're a bit cheaper. So, I went with a
Hobart.
Another thing I read over and over again, is to pick up a 220V
machine over a 110V, especially if you plan on welding anything 1/4"
or thicker.
I heeded both bits of advice and picked up a Hobart 175 for $535
(shipped and no taxes) from http://www.tollgas.com. I'm pretty happy
with the choice I made.
I made my own 220V extension/adapter cord that I can run from my
dryer outlet into the garage. The machine comes with a gas regulator
too, so all you need is a bottle (and the gas).
Brent
--- In az_vjc@y..., "phxsteele2000" <phxsteele2000@a...> wrote:
> I am getting ready to buy myself a wire feed welder for
christmas.
> I have about 300 bucks to spend and I have been looking at a
craftman
> as Sears. Is this a good welder to get. I have only used a wire
feed
> welder 1 time. I seemed to catch on pretty quickly. The one I am
> looking at has the gas option. But it is not required.
TIA......Steele
37548 From: David R. W. Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 0:10pm
Subject: RE: Re: Wire Feed Welder Suggestions
Sounds like the advice I got when I asked everyone about lifts. One of
the big dogs told me: "save the your money and buy a lift you won't want
to replace for a few years. Trust me I have had 3 lifts and finally got
one I like" I think you can find that 220 v adapter at a RV store (side
note). I too was considering a 110 V mig, especially since I rent a
house. After talking to a few guys who just gave some opinions, I think
220 is the way to go. Funny how one person saying something seems like
an opinion, and 3 saying the same thing doesn't seem like one.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: brent_lizakowski [mailto:brent_lizakowski@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:58 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Wire Feed Welder Suggestions
Do it right the first time so you don't have to do it again.
I'll admit, I'm not an expert on welding, or on welders... but I say
save up a bit more and pick up something you know will last. When I
researched what I wanted to get, two names kept popping up - Miller and
Hobart. Most Hobart machines have pretty much the same internals as the
Miller machines, but they're a bit cheaper. So, I went with a Hobart.
Another thing I read over and over again, is to pick up a 220V machine
over a 110V, especially if you plan on welding anything 1/4" or thicker.
I heeded both bits of advice and picked up a Hobart 175 for $535
(shipped and no taxes) from http://www.tollgas.com. I'm pretty happy
with the choice I made.
I made my own 220V extension/adapter cord that I can run from my dryer
outlet into the garage. The machine comes with a gas regulator too, so
all you need is a bottle (and the gas).
Brent
--- In az_vjc@y..., "phxsteele2000" <phxsteele2000@a...> wrote:
> I am getting ready to buy myself a wire feed welder for
christmas.
> I have about 300 bucks to spend and I have been looking at a
craftman
> as Sears. Is this a good welder to get. I have only used a wire
feed
> welder 1 time. I seemed to catch on pretty quickly. The one I am
> looking at has the gas option. But it is not required.
TIA......Steele
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37549 From: brent_lizakowski <brent_lizakowski@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 0:48pm
Subject: Re: Wire Feed Welder Suggestions
You can try asking the same question at
http://www.hobartwelders.com/talk (It's also a good place to get
welding info). Sure, it's on a Hobart site, but the place is sort of
just like this, as it's everyday people coming together to share info
on a particular subject. So, you should get a fairly unbiased opinion.
Brent
--- In az_vjc@y..., "David R. W. Withers" <dr_ww@h...> wrote:
> Sounds like the advice I got when I asked everyone about lifts.
One of
> the big dogs told me: "save the your money and buy a lift you won't
want
> to replace for a few years. Trust me I have had 3 lifts and
finally got
> one I like" I think you can find that 220 v adapter at a RV store
(side
> note). I too was considering a 110 V mig, especially since I rent a
> house. After talking to a few guys who just gave some opinions, I
think
> 220 is the way to go. Funny how one person saying something seems
like
> an opinion, and 3 saying the same thing doesn't seem like one.
> David
>
/
37550 From: Scott Thomas <sthomas@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 0:53pm
Subject: Member Sightings by 4
Going to lunch in Mesa I saw 4 members.
1. Red Tj with 33's and a rear cargo rack above the tire carrier. At Rio
Salado and the 101 freeway. 12:35ish
2. Green Sahara looked stock. Parked at Country Club and around 8th St.
12:35ish
3. Green Yj with about 31's to 33's with a hard top. Between Price and
McClintock on University. 1:35ish
4. Red Xj with 33's a roof rack. stopped at the light at McClintock and
University. 1:35ish
Here the waves for those of you that missed them.
Scott Thomas
97' Tj
37551 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 1:13pm
Subject: Re: Member Sightings by 4
Hey Scott, did the red xj have a spare on the roof rack? It was prob
my brother, his company is right off McClintock and Curry.
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Thomas" <sthomas@a...> wrote:
> Going to lunch in Mesa I saw 4 members.
>
> 1. Red Tj with 33's and a rear cargo rack above the tire carrier.
At Rio
> Salado and the 101 freeway. 12:35ish
>
> 2. Green Sahara looked stock. Parked at Country Club and around
8th St.
> 12:35ish
>
> 3. Green Yj with about 31's to 33's with a hard top. Between
Price and
> McClintock on University. 1:35ish
>
> 4. Red Xj with 33's a roof rack. stopped at the light at
McClintock and
> University. 1:35ish
>
> Here the waves for those of you that missed them.
>
> Scott Thomas
> 97' Tj
37527 From: ROBERT NYBERG <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 6:34am
Subject: ASA Members
I am for now, the Membership Chairman for the ASA. If anyone in AZVJC
has sent in a check for membership and not received your packet and
membership card, please send me your name, address and date you sent it
in. Thanks.
Bob
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37528 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 6:50am
Subject: RE: Fire Extinquisher
Lynch,
CO2 will kill a person just as dead as Halon will. The last time I checked,
they both displace oxygen and without, you are not doing well anymore. If
memory serves me correctly, they are both "heavier than air" (I'm sure
someone will correct me on that if I am wrong).
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: lynch [mailto:lynch@v...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:55 PM
To: Gary Holmes
Cc: jeepin_in_az; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Fire Extinquisher
I wasn't sure if the 'corrosion' bit was true or not.. and with halon one
runs the risk of asphyxiating people too. Ya can't win! As long as you
aren't spraying me with halon, by all means don't ignore my rig! :P
(i.e. no offense was intended)
At least with the old CO2 units you could spray people -- perhaps not
recommended behavior, but a science teacher way back in high school
blasted me with one for not paying attention in class. :/
-lynch
On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 09:04:10PM -0700, Gary Holmes wrote:
> Lynch:
>
> You're right, it was ABC and there is some concern about that but then
again, if
> you let the fire go it becomes a mote point. The Halon extinguishers were
about
> $180.00 each for 5 lb. If you want, I will ignore a fire on your rig.
>
> Gary Holmes
>
> lynch wrote:
>
> > Gary and Mike:
> >
> > On both of your extinguishers, were they CO2 or the ABC dry type? I
believe
> > the ABC type can corrode electronics and such, can anyone verify this?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > lynch
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 04:49:38PM -0700, Gary Holmes wrote:
> > > Mike and Crew:
> > >
> > > I went to Roadrunner Fire Extinguisher etc. company recently and
picked up
> > > used (but guaranteed) 5 lb. fire extinguishers for approx. $32.00
each. Put
> > > 2 in the Camo Cow. Can't have enough fire extinguishers when you need
them
> > > (from personal experience.)
> > >
> > > Gary Holmes
> > >
> > > Yeah, they were fully charged!
> > >
> > > jeepin_in_az wrote:
> > >
> > > > Just got back from Sam's Club (I gotta stay away from there!), and
> > > > picked up a 2 pack of 2.5 lbs fire extinquishers for $17. That is
> > > > pretty cheap from what I have seen. I am going to wrap mine up and
> > > > put it under the tree, "To: Mike, From: Santa!"
> > > >
> > > > Mike Baney
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
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37529 From: Gary Holmes <niitoyis@w...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 7:07am
Subject: Re: Fire Extinquisher
Stu:
With the CO2 you also run the risk of freezing things you might not want
frozen. Thermal shock comes to mind along with rapid contraction of hot metal
or other types of surfaces.
Gary Holmes
Stu Olson wrote:
> Lynch,
>
> CO2 will kill a person just as dead as Halon will. The last time I checked,
> they both displace oxygen and without, you are not doing well anymore. If
> memory serves me correctly, they are both "heavier than air" (I'm sure
> someone will correct me on that if I am wrong).
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lynch [mailto:lynch@v...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:55 PM
> To: Gary Holmes
> Cc: jeepin_in_az; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Fire Extinquisher
>
> I wasn't sure if the 'corrosion' bit was true or not.. and with halon one
> runs the risk of asphyxiating people too. Ya can't win! As long as you
> aren't spraying me with halon, by all means don't ignore my rig! :P
> (i.e. no offense was intended)
>
> At least with the old CO2 units you could spray people -- perhaps not
> recommended behavior, but a science teacher way back in high school
> blasted me with one for not paying attention in class. :/
>
> -lynch
>
> On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 09:04:10PM -0700, Gary Holmes wrote:
> > Lynch:
> >
> > You're right, it was ABC and there is some concern about that but then
> again, if
> > you let the fire go it becomes a mote point. The Halon extinguishers were
> about
> > $180.00 each for 5 lb. If you want, I will ignore a fire on your rig.
> >
> > Gary Holmes
> >
> > lynch wrote:
> >
> > > Gary and Mike:
> > >
> > > On both of your extinguishers, were they CO2 or the ABC dry type? I
> believe
> > > the ABC type can corrode electronics and such, can anyone verify this?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > lynch
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 18, 2001 at 04:49:38PM -0700, Gary Holmes wrote:
> > > > Mike and Crew:
> > > >
> > > > I went to Roadrunner Fire Extinguisher etc. company recently and
> picked up
> > > > used (but guaranteed) 5 lb. fire extinguishers for approx. $32.00
> each. Put
> > > > 2 in the Camo Cow. Can't have enough fire extinguishers when you need
> them
> > > > (from personal experience.)
> > > >
> > > > Gary Holmes
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, they were fully charged!
> > > >
> > > > jeepin_in_az wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Just got back from Sam's Club (I gotta stay away from there!), and
> > > > > picked up a 2 pack of 2.5 lbs fire extinquishers for $17. That is
> > > > > pretty cheap from what I have seen. I am going to wrap mine up and
> > > > > put it under the tree, "To: Mike, From: Santa!"
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Baney
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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37530 From: msa12171 <msa12171@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 7:51am
Subject: Attn: O-R Fab
I've been trying to schedule a date to come in for some work, but
have not had very good luck getting someone that is very interested.
If someone on here works for O-R Fab, or knows someone, can you have
them call me. Thanks.
Mike Anderson
602-433-3740 wk
602-361-2259 cell
37531 From: phxsteele2000 <phxsteele2000@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 8:44am
Subject: Wire Feed Welder Suggestions
I am getting ready to buy myself a wire feed welder for christmas.
I have about 300 bucks to spend and I have been looking at a craftman
as Sears. Is this a good welder to get. I have only used a wire feed
welder 1 time. I seemed to catch on pretty quickly. The one I am
looking at has the gas option. But it is not required. TIA......Steele
37532 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 9:23am
Subject: Re: Wire Feed Welder Suggestions
My brother has that one, not too bad for small stuff. Definatly get
the gas for it, without it, it sucks. If you can hold onto the money
and not let it burn a hole in your pocket, keep on looking.
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "phxsteele2000" <phxsteele2000@a...> wrote:
> I am getting ready to buy myself a wire feed welder for
christmas.
> I have about 300 bucks to spend and I have been looking at a
craftman
> as Sears. Is this a good welder to get. I have only used a wire
feed
> welder 1 time. I seemed to catch on pretty quickly. The one I am
> looking at has the gas option. But it is not required.
TIA......Steele
37533 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 9:25am
Subject: RE: Guns and self defense
I read that from Tom but it does not make sense. What I think I read him say
was that if some one was threading my family with deadly force I can not
defend them without killing the that person unless it is on my property.
Sorry but If I can counter a threat of deadly force against my family by
brandishing a weapon to detour the threat I will. If you ever read an NRA
mag. section called the armed citizen this is done all the time.
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred [mailto:fredtj@h...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:40 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Tom LaFrance
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Guns and self defense
Thanks for clearing it up Tom. I dropped it, as no one was going to believe
it. Like I mentioned, unless laws have changed in the last 4 or 5 years,
that's what was drilled into us when I took a the class, and is in the "blue
book", as I remember it . I have the book still somewhere).. You can't
threaten, you just do, if the case justifies it, and, as I mentioned, if it
ever happens, remember that one of the two (the shooter or the shootee) has
committed a very serious crime.
The tresspassing part has another thing that I found interesting, regarding
the state laws. You *can't* legally shoot someone for criminal tresspass,
however you *can* threaten to. Strange state ;)
I should probably stay updated on state laws, as maybe somethings changed.
When I took the class, rape has another time where deadly force could be
used.
:)
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom LaFrance" <tlafrance@j...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 4:54 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Guns and self defense
> Only when someone is about to kill you (or a 3rd party) can you use
> deadly force to prevent their actions.
>
> You may ONLY threaten the use of deadly force to prevent criminal
> trespass.
>
> Anything else can be considered brandishing under the disorderly conduct
> code and is a class 6 felony with an average sentence of 3 years in
> prison.
>
> JW: A SIG 220 only carries 8 + 1, thats 1 more than my revo :-) I'll
> take you up on some friendly competition anytime to change your mind
> regarding reloading with speed loaders as well. BTW you can chose which
> hand I use to make it fair :-p
>
> Tom LaFrance
>
>
>
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37534 From: Tom LaFrance <tlafrance@j...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 9:44am
Subject: Re: Guns and self defense
Randy,
I said you can only THREATEN the use of deadly force to prevent criminal
trespass. However, should you (or a third party) be threatened with a
dangerous instrument or deadly weapon you CAN use deadly force. I
suggest you or anyone take a CCW class to get the specifics regarding the
law in AZ. The most important thing I teach is how NOT to have to use
deadly force by AVOIDING the problems in the first place. Using deadly
force is a last resort and threatening (brandishing) to use it (and
giving up a tactical advantage) may cause a situation to escalate.
Tom
On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:25:33 -0600 "Siade, Randy"
<randy.siade@u...> writes:
> I read that from Tom but it does not make sense. What I think I read
> him say
> was that if some one was threading my family with deadly force I can
> not
> defend them without killing the that person unless it is on my
> property.
> Sorry but If I can counter a threat of deadly force against my
> family by
> brandishing a weapon to detour the threat I will. If you ever read
> an NRA
> mag. section called the armed citizen this is done all the time.
>
------------------------------------------------------------
"Those who live by the sword, get shot by those who don't"
37535 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 9:58am
Subject: Re: ........GUNS----->Please read this
I use good ol' luisville slugger left side between the seat and side
of the jeep!! ;) I take a 410 out with me when I camp, and sometimes
the ol glock .40, but I hardly ever take it with me on a run. I wheel
in groups, so I am not worried about yahoos because they dont
normally mess with you if there is more than one Jeep. Sure 1 is easy
to catch but two or more, they know someone can get away. As far as
gun going off while driving, a little velcro goes a long way!! I just
have a little strip in the glove box, so that the gun doesnt bounce
arround, plus I dont have one in the chamber, I usually even have the
mag next to the gun in the case and not in it!! (I have kids, the
safer the better... I even have a little lock on the zipper to kid
proof it when they are in the Jeep) -Rob
37536 From: Sullivan, Len <kermit@e...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 10:05am
Subject: RE: Re: ........GUNS----->Please read this
"There's nothing like a nice piece of hickory"
Hi Rob
I have to agree with you on the slugger. Pam keeps a Bianchi aluminum
nightstick in her truck, and I have an old hickory nightstick in my car.
There's really only one thing you can do with a gun.....the stick gives you
many other options if you know how to use it.
Len
On Wednesday, December 19, 2001 10:59 AM, g_rob_williams
[SMTP:g_rob_williams@y...] wrote:
> I use good ol' luisville slugger left side between the seat and side
> of the jeep!! ;) I take a 410 out with me when I camp, and sometimes
> the ol glock .40, but I hardly ever take it with me on a run. I wheel
> in groups, so I am not worried about yahoos because they dont
> normally mess with you if there is more than one Jeep. Sure 1 is easy
> to catch but two or more, they know someone can get away. As far as
> gun going off while driving, a little velcro goes a long way!! I just
> have a little strip in the glove box, so that the gun doesnt bounce
> arround, plus I dont have one in the chamber, I usually even have the
> mag next to the gun in the case and not in it!! (I have kids, the
> safer the better... I even have a little lock on the zipper to kid
> proof it when they are in the Jeep) -Rob
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
37537 From: steve94yj <azjeeper@n...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 10:11am
Subject: Bolt on SOA question??
I read the concerns of the people who commented on the FTS bolt on
kit. I'm not an expert by any means so I take any advice from this
club that I can get. One problem mentioned was that the straight bolts
instead of u bolts wouldn't be enough to keep the axle in place under
a pretty good load (climbing 3' rock). Couldn't you just place some
small welds on the perch to fix this? Something of this caliber I
could handle, but a full weld on soa is out of my league. If I'm
wrong, please correct me. On that note, would anyone possibly know
about how much I could get an soa (standard type) installed for? I
already have the stock springs. I know about the shocks, SYE, etc.,
I'm just concerned about the cost of the soa itself. Thanks for any
advice.
Steve
37538 From: Nick <nnote@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 10:40am
Subject: Re: Bolt on SOA question??
There are people in the group that have made an SOA for so much cheaper than
that kit! An SOA isn't really that expensive. The new shocks and
driveshaft and steering correction peices are.
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve94yj" <azjeeper@n...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:11 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Bolt on SOA question??
> I read the concerns of the people who commented on the FTS bolt on
> kit. I'm not an expert by any means so I take any advice from this
> club that I can get. One problem mentioned was that the straight bolts
> instead of u bolts wouldn't be enough to keep the axle in place under
> a pretty good load (climbing 3' rock). Couldn't you just place some
> small welds on the perch to fix this? Something of this caliber I
> could handle, but a full weld on soa is out of my league. If I'm
> wrong, please correct me. On that note, would anyone possibly know
> about how much I could get an soa (standard type) installed for? I
> already have the stock springs. I know about the shocks, SYE, etc.,
> I'm just concerned about the cost of the soa itself. Thanks for any
> advice.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
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37539 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 10:41am
Subject: RE: Bolt on SOA question??
Very true. Spring perches are $34 a pair. Most every thing else is nickel
time except the items Nick listed.
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick [mailto:nnote@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:41 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; steve94yj
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Bolt on SOA question??
There are people in the group that have made an SOA for so much cheaper than
that kit! An SOA isn't really that expensive. The new shocks and
driveshaft and steering correction peices are.
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve94yj" <azjeeper@n...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:11 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Bolt on SOA question??
> I read the concerns of the people who commented on the FTS bolt on
> kit. I'm not an expert by any means so I take any advice from this
> club that I can get. One problem mentioned was that the straight bolts
> instead of u bolts wouldn't be enough to keep the axle in place under
> a pretty good load (climbing 3' rock). Couldn't you just place some
> small welds on the perch to fix this? Something of this caliber I
> could handle, but a full weld on soa is out of my league. If I'm
> wrong, please correct me. On that note, would anyone possibly know
> about how much I could get an soa (standard type) installed for? I
> already have the stock springs. I know about the shocks, SYE, etc.,
> I'm just concerned about the cost of the soa itself. Thanks for any
> advice.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
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37540 From: dionbozman <amstaff@e...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 10:55am
Subject: Re: Bolt on SOA question??
You should contact Bill Mish, a VJC member. He's done several
springovers (including mine) and I'm incredibly pleased with the
results.
Dion
--- In az_vjc@y..., "steve94yj" <azjeeper@n...> wrote:
> I read the concerns of the people who commented on the FTS bolt on
> kit. I'm not an expert by any means so I take any advice from this
> club that I can get. One problem mentioned was that the straight bolts
> instead of u bolts wouldn't be enough to keep the axle in place under
> a pretty good load (climbing 3' rock). Couldn't you just place some
> small welds on the perch to fix this? Something of this caliber I
> could handle, but a full weld on soa is out of my league. If I'm
> wrong, please correct me. On that note, would anyone possibly know
> about how much I could get an soa (standard type) installed for? I
> already have the stock springs. I know about the shocks, SYE, etc.,
> I'm just concerned about the cost of the soa itself. Thanks for any
> advice.
>
> Steve
37541 From: cmandrick007 <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 11:04am
Subject: Re: ........GUNS----->Please read this
My 4 D-cell Mag lite took the fight out of an assailant this summer.
I have a CCW, but I was not carrying when a drunk teen ager rear-
ended my Jeep on a Saturday night after I left work @ Chilis. IMHO,
I think everyone involved is far better off than if I had my .38
close at hand.
Chris M
87 YJ turd brown
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Sullivan, Len" <kermit@e...> wrote:
> "There's nothing like a nice piece of hickory"
>
> Hi Rob
>
> I have to agree with you on the slugger. Pam keeps a Bianchi
aluminum
> nightstick in her truck, and I have an old hickory nightstick in my
car.
> There's really only one thing you can do with a gun.....the stick
gives you
> many other options if you know how to use it.
>
> Len
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 19, 2001 10:59 AM, g_rob_williams
> [SMTP:g_rob_williams@y...] wrote:
> > I use good ol' luisville slugger left side between the seat and
side
> > of the jeep!! ;) I take a 410 out with me when I camp, and
sometimes
> > the ol glock .40, but I hardly ever take it with me on a run. I
wheel
> > in groups, so I am not worried about yahoos because they dont
> > normally mess with you if there is more than one Jeep. Sure 1 is
easy
> > to catch but two or more, they know someone can get away. As far
as
> > gun going off while driving, a little velcro goes a long way!! I
just
> > have a little strip in the glove box, so that the gun doesnt
bounce
> > arround, plus I dont have one in the chamber, I usually even have
the
> > mag next to the gun in the case and not in it!! (I have kids, the
> > safer the better... I even have a little lock on the zipper to
kid
> > proof it when they are in the Jeep) -Rob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
37542 From: David R. W. Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 11:06am
Subject: RE: Re: Bolt on SOA question??
Although Bill didn't do a spring over for me, he did some welding. He
did a great job and took the time to make sure it was right. If he'll
do the work for you, you be very thankful.
Plus you need to see his crazy rig.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: dionbozman [mailto:amstaff@e...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:56 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Bolt on SOA question??
You should contact Bill Mish, a VJC member. He's done several
springovers (including mine) and I'm incredibly pleased with the
results. Dion
--- In az_vjc@y..., "steve94yj" <azjeeper@n...> wrote:
> I read the concerns of the people who commented on the FTS bolt on
> kit. I'm not an expert by any means so I take any advice from this
> club that I can get. One problem mentioned was that the straight bolts
> instead of u bolts wouldn't be enough to keep the axle in place under
> a pretty good load (climbing 3' rock). Couldn't you just place some
> small welds on the perch to fix this? Something of this caliber I
> could handle, but a full weld on soa is out of my league. If I'm
> wrong, please correct me. On that note, would anyone possibly know
> about how much I could get an soa (standard type) installed for? I
> already have the stock springs. I know about the shocks, SYE, etc.,
> I'm just concerned about the cost of the soa itself. Thanks for any
> advice.
>
> Steve
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37543 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 11:01am
Subject: RE: Re: ........GUNS----->Please read this
Maybe you should have both. Don't bring a stick to a knife or gun fight..
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: cmandrick007 [mailto:cmandrick@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:04 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: ........GUNS----->Please read this
My 4 D-cell Mag lite took the fight out of an assailant this summer.
I have a CCW, but I was not carrying when a drunk teen ager rear-
ended my Jeep on a Saturday night after I left work @ Chilis. IMHO,
I think everyone involved is far better off than if I had my .38
close at hand.
Chris M
87 YJ turd brown
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Sullivan, Len" <kermit@e...> wrote:
> "There's nothing like a nice piece of hickory"
>
> Hi Rob
>
> I have to agree with you on the slugger. Pam keeps a Bianchi
aluminum
> nightstick in her truck, and I have an old hickory nightstick in my
car.
> There's really only one thing you can do with a gun.....the stick
gives you
> many other options if you know how to use it.
>
> Len
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 19, 2001 10:59 AM, g_rob_williams
> [SMTP:g_rob_williams@y...] wrote:
> > I use good ol' luisville slugger left side between the seat and
side
> > of the jeep!! ;) I take a 410 out with me when I camp, and
sometimes
> > the ol glock .40, but I hardly ever take it with me on a run. I
wheel
> > in groups, so I am not worried about yahoos because they dont
> > normally mess with you if there is more than one Jeep. Sure 1 is
easy
> > to catch but two or more, they know someone can get away. As far
as
> > gun going off while driving, a little velcro goes a long way!! I
just
> > have a little strip in the glove box, so that the gun doesnt
bounce
> > arround, plus I dont have one in the chamber, I usually even have
the
> > mag next to the gun in the case and not in it!! (I have kids, the
> > safer the better... I even have a little lock on the zipper to
kid
> > proof it when they are in the Jeep) -Rob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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37544 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 11:21am
Subject: [FS] (wanted) one 245/75/16 tire new or used
Price:
Contact: sparkyman222@aol.com
37545 From: Michael Wixom <certifiedinsp@m...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 11:51am
Subject: Welding an AMC 20
I have read in magazine articles, and seen a few mentions on here about welding the tubes to the housing on an AMC 20. Has anyone done this or have knowledge of how to do it. I will have some free time next week and was thinking of doing it to mine. Can it be done with the axles / gears in place. Does it need to be welded all the way around or just tacked? Any information, pictures, suggestions etc. would be helpful
Thanks,
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
37546 From: Matt Ulepic <mulepic@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 11:51am
Subject: Re: Bolt on SOA question??
Hi, I have an '87 grand wagoneer that I did the SOA on. Just like you, I
wasn't a welder and used my engineering talent to create a bolt on
application. It worked. But not for long. When it was all said and done I
had to learn to weld and weld the perches. I won't say anything more except
an SOA is anything but a 'bolt-on' type of modification.
Good luck,
Matt
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve94yj" <azjeeper@n...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:11 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Bolt on SOA question??
> I read the concerns of the people who commented on the FTS bolt on
> kit. I'm not an expert by any means so I take any advice from this
> club that I can get. One problem mentioned was that the straight bolts
> instead of u bolts wouldn't be enough to keep the axle in place under
> a pretty good load (climbing 3' rock). Couldn't you just place some
> small welds on the perch to fix this? Something of this caliber I
> could handle, but a full weld on soa is out of my league. If I'm
> wrong, please correct me. On that note, would anyone possibly know
> about how much I could get an soa (standard type) installed for? I
> already have the stock springs. I know about the shocks, SYE, etc.,
> I'm just concerned about the cost of the soa itself. Thanks for any
> advice.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
37547 From: brent_lizakowski <brent_lizakowski@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 11:58am
Subject: Re: Wire Feed Welder Suggestions
Do it right the first time so you don't have to do it again.
I'll admit, I'm not an expert on welding, or on welders... but I say
save up a bit more and pick up something you know will last. When I
researched what I wanted to get, two names kept popping up - Miller
and Hobart. Most Hobart machines have pretty much the same internals
as the Miller machines, but they're a bit cheaper. So, I went with a
Hobart.
Another thing I read over and over again, is to pick up a 220V
machine over a 110V, especially if you plan on welding anything 1/4"
or thicker.
I heeded both bits of advice and picked up a Hobart 175 for $535
(shipped and no taxes) from http://www.tollgas.com. I'm pretty happy
with the choice I made.
I made my own 220V extension/adapter cord that I can run from my
dryer outlet into the garage. The machine comes with a gas regulator
too, so all you need is a bottle (and the gas).
Brent
--- In az_vjc@y..., "phxsteele2000" <phxsteele2000@a...> wrote:
> I am getting ready to buy myself a wire feed welder for
christmas.
> I have about 300 bucks to spend and I have been looking at a
craftman
> as Sears. Is this a good welder to get. I have only used a wire
feed
> welder 1 time. I seemed to catch on pretty quickly. The one I am
> looking at has the gas option. But it is not required.
TIA......Steele
37548 From: David R. W. Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 0:10pm
Subject: RE: Re: Wire Feed Welder Suggestions
Sounds like the advice I got when I asked everyone about lifts. One of
the big dogs told me: "save the your money and buy a lift you won't want
to replace for a few years. Trust me I have had 3 lifts and finally got
one I like" I think you can find that 220 v adapter at a RV store (side
note). I too was considering a 110 V mig, especially since I rent a
house. After talking to a few guys who just gave some opinions, I think
220 is the way to go. Funny how one person saying something seems like
an opinion, and 3 saying the same thing doesn't seem like one.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: brent_lizakowski [mailto:brent_lizakowski@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:58 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Wire Feed Welder Suggestions
Do it right the first time so you don't have to do it again.
I'll admit, I'm not an expert on welding, or on welders... but I say
save up a bit more and pick up something you know will last. When I
researched what I wanted to get, two names kept popping up - Miller and
Hobart. Most Hobart machines have pretty much the same internals as the
Miller machines, but they're a bit cheaper. So, I went with a Hobart.
Another thing I read over and over again, is to pick up a 220V machine
over a 110V, especially if you plan on welding anything 1/4" or thicker.
I heeded both bits of advice and picked up a Hobart 175 for $535
(shipped and no taxes) from http://www.tollgas.com. I'm pretty happy
with the choice I made.
I made my own 220V extension/adapter cord that I can run from my dryer
outlet into the garage. The machine comes with a gas regulator too, so
all you need is a bottle (and the gas).
Brent
--- In az_vjc@y..., "phxsteele2000" <phxsteele2000@a...> wrote:
> I am getting ready to buy myself a wire feed welder for
christmas.
> I have about 300 bucks to spend and I have been looking at a
craftman
> as Sears. Is this a good welder to get. I have only used a wire
feed
> welder 1 time. I seemed to catch on pretty quickly. The one I am
> looking at has the gas option. But it is not required.
TIA......Steele
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37549 From: brent_lizakowski <brent_lizakowski@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 0:48pm
Subject: Re: Wire Feed Welder Suggestions
You can try asking the same question at
http://www.hobartwelders.com/talk (It's also a good place to get
welding info). Sure, it's on a Hobart site, but the place is sort of
just like this, as it's everyday people coming together to share info
on a particular subject. So, you should get a fairly unbiased opinion.
Brent
--- In az_vjc@y..., "David R. W. Withers" <dr_ww@h...> wrote:
> Sounds like the advice I got when I asked everyone about lifts.
One of
> the big dogs told me: "save the your money and buy a lift you won't
want
> to replace for a few years. Trust me I have had 3 lifts and
finally got
> one I like" I think you can find that 220 v adapter at a RV store
(side
> note). I too was considering a 110 V mig, especially since I rent a
> house. After talking to a few guys who just gave some opinions, I
think
> 220 is the way to go. Funny how one person saying something seems
like
> an opinion, and 3 saying the same thing doesn't seem like one.
> David
>
/
37550 From: Scott Thomas <sthomas@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 0:53pm
Subject: Member Sightings by 4
Going to lunch in Mesa I saw 4 members.
1. Red Tj with 33's and a rear cargo rack above the tire carrier. At Rio
Salado and the 101 freeway. 12:35ish
2. Green Sahara looked stock. Parked at Country Club and around 8th St.
12:35ish
3. Green Yj with about 31's to 33's with a hard top. Between Price and
McClintock on University. 1:35ish
4. Red Xj with 33's a roof rack. stopped at the light at McClintock and
University. 1:35ish
Here the waves for those of you that missed them.
Scott Thomas
97' Tj
37551 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 19, 2001 1:13pm
Subject: Re: Member Sightings by 4
Hey Scott, did the red xj have a spare on the roof rack? It was prob
my brother, his company is right off McClintock and Curry.
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Thomas" <sthomas@a...> wrote:
> Going to lunch in Mesa I saw 4 members.
>
> 1. Red Tj with 33's and a rear cargo rack above the tire carrier.
At Rio
> Salado and the 101 freeway. 12:35ish
>
> 2. Green Sahara looked stock. Parked at Country Club and around
8th St.
> 12:35ish
>
> 3. Green Yj with about 31's to 33's with a hard top. Between
Price and
> McClintock on University. 1:35ish
>
> 4. Red Xj with 33's a roof rack. stopped at the light at
McClintock and
> University. 1:35ish
>
> Here the waves for those of you that missed them.
>
> Scott Thomas
> 97' Tj