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37252 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 7:06am
Subject: RE: Sunday
Scott Kruize and I were thinking about doing a run in Florence Junction
today... Woodpeckers, Ajax...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wishmaaker [mailto:wishmaaker@y...]
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:00 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Sunday
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> anyone want to go wheeling today?
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37253 From: wishmaaker <wishmaaker@y...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 7:23am
Subject: Re: Sunday
When? where to meet? I am running more on the stock side - a small
lift and quick disconx sitting on 31, do you think I can make that
run?
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> wrote:
> Scott Kruize and I were thinking about doing a run in Florence
Junction
> today... Woodpeckers, Ajax...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wishmaaker [mailto:wishmaaker@y...]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:00 AM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Sunday
> >
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> > anyone want to go wheeling today?
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> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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37254 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 7:37am
Subject: RE: Re: Sunday
You might be able to make it... but I wouldn't recommend it. Are you locked
on either end?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wishmaaker [mailto:wishmaaker@y...]
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:24 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Sunday
>
>
>
> When? where to meet? I am running more on the stock side - a small
> lift and quick disconx sitting on 31, do you think I can make that
> run?
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> wrote:
> > Scott Kruize and I were thinking about doing a run in Florence
> Junction
> > today... Woodpeckers, Ajax...
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wishmaaker [mailto:wishmaaker@y...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:00 AM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Sunday
> > >
> > >
> > > anyone want to go wheeling today?
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> > >
> > >
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> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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37255 From: wishmaaker <wishmaaker@y...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 7:39am
Subject: Re: Sunday
nope not yet.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> wrote:
> You might be able to make it... but I wouldn't recommend it. Are
you locked
> on either end?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wishmaaker [mailto:wishmaaker@y...]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:24 AM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Sunday
> >
> >
> >
> > When? where to meet? I am running more on the stock side - a
small
> > lift and quick disconx sitting on 31, do you think I can make that
> > run?
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> wrote:
> > > Scott Kruize and I were thinking about doing a run in Florence
> > Junction
> > > today... Woodpeckers, Ajax...
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: wishmaaker [mailto:wishmaaker@y...]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:00 AM
> > > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Sunday
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > anyone want to go wheeling today?
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37256 From: J & P Visic <jpvisic@n...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 8:31am
Subject: Re: Sunday
Sounds great, but I promised my mother-in-law (81 yrs young) that I would
put up Christmas lights today. I haven't been out with any club members
yet. Wish I could have made this one.
John
Casa Grande
84 CJ-7
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...>
To: "'wishmaaker'" <wishmaaker@y...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:06 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sunday
> Scott Kruize and I were thinking about doing a run in Florence Junction
> today... Woodpeckers, Ajax...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wishmaaker [mailto:wishmaaker@y...]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:00 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Sunday
> >
> >
> > anyone want to go wheeling today?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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37257 From: wishmaaker <wishmaaker@y...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 8:55am
Subject: Anyone Else for a Sunday Run?
Looking toward Box Canyon something or other.
37258 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 8:56am
Subject: Four Peaks/Mud Springs Run today
Hi Everyone,
Scott Kruize and myself decided to run Mud Springs or go to the top of Four
Peaks to see if there is any snow up there. If anyone is interested in
going along... please send me an email. We won't be leaving for a couple of
hours... we want to do a nice comfortable snow or scenic run.
Joe West
37259 From: nilar708 <squarelights@h...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 9:05am
Subject: how do i get to fr42
can anyone tell me how to get to fr 42 i want to do the trail today.
37260 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 9:06am
Subject: Re: diesel starting problem solved
The Cummins diesel engines use a heating grid instead of glow plugs. The
heating grid tends to have a longer life, but it's hard to say! We have
a Nissan 3.3l TD in the barn with over 250,000 miles on the original
glow plugs. So lifetime is relative.
Here's a book that might help you out.
"Diesel Mechanics, Second Edition" by Erich J. Schulz, ISBN
0-07-055639-3
This is basically a trade school text book and is pretty detailed. The
copy we have does not go into heating grids or electronic fuel injection
systems. There is probably an updated edition available.
Linda
imagineero wrote:
>
> I'd been having a lot of trouble starting my rig this past month. It just
> runs a little 2.2l 4 cyl diesel. It used to start the first cranking, then
> it needed 2, then 3, then 4, till it got to the point that I'd be sitting
> there in the morning, cranking like mad for a good ten minutes almost
> draining my battery flat, pumping away on the gas peddle and sending my
> neighbours insane. Not the best way to start the morning. Once it had
> been started and run for a while it would start first go again as long as I
> didn;t leave ot turned off for more than a few hours. Once it got cold it
> would be a right bugger to start again.
>
> I'd just put it down to cold and resigned myself to having a very long
> winter. Someone on the group mentioned that glowplugs are important, so I
> got myself down to a mechanic I know and trust. Glowplugs preheat the fuel
> to help it ignite when conditions are cold. He said that there are a lot
> of glowplugs available from different manufacturers, and that the OEM items
> are generally crap. He recommended a brand that was made in Japan by an
> aftermarked company (sorry, forgot the name) which were about double the
> price of the OEM item, about $US10 each. This guy has never steered me
> wrong, so I handed over my $40 (1 for each cylinder). This was about 2
> weeks ago, and temperatures have been dropping and dropping. The jeep has
> kicked over on the first revolution every morning without hesitation.
>
> As an aside, he mentioned to me that glowplugs are controlled by a time
> based relay. When the key is set to the 'on' position they turn on for
> 5~10 seconds and then turn back off again. This is so they wouldn't burn
> out if you left your key in 'on' without starting your car. He says the
> best thing to do is first turn the key to 'on', wait 5 seconds and then
> start the engine. It gives the plugs a few seconds to start warming up.
>
> Hope this helps somebody out there..... an inexpensive fix that gave a
> massive improvement.
>
> Shaun
> South Korea
>
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37261 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 9:07am
Subject: Re: Burned SUV in the 2nd Cove
Thanks, Will verify that with the USFS on Monday.
Linda
wishmaaker wrote:
>
> While out at the lake yesterday, saw and off road recovery truck on
> its way to retrieve the burned SUV. Looks like no one will need to
> pull it out after all. bummer
>
>
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37262 From: <aphrodsyak@a...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 4:21am
Subject: PLEASE HELP!!!!
Does anyone have carriers for a TJ . Someones jeep is down and it needs them. please call anytime!!!
These carriers need to be from a 3:55 or lower gear ratio. they can be replaced with new ones in a bit of time but noone is open on sun. Please if you know anyone we really need your help. Thanks
ERIC 480-650-3887
Anyone who has put in a ARB or Detroit
37263 From: rrichards13 <rrichards13@y...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 10:01am
Subject: custom made TUBE benders
Everyone, I apoligize for the recent message sent yesterday on
pipe benders. I just have a habit of calling tube benders, pipe
benders.
I hope any of you would like to have one. Like I said I should get
the info from the fabricator today.
thx
Randy
99Tj
37264 From: Bill Witt <k7ant@t...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 10:06am
Subject: Snow!
I found out last night what 33 MT's and a traclok on snow over ice roads is like! The wife and I went to Show Low to see Harry Potter and do some more shopping. When we got ready to leave for Heber/Overgaard it was snowing a little bit. More ice crystals than anything.
I couldn't go very far without the jeep breaking loose and going sideways. Not just one wheel would spin, but both. I have traclok, and on snow or ice, both rear wheels break loose at about the same time. With the wide tires, 33x12.5 BFG mt's, I don't have as good of traction on plowed roads,(snow over ice or snow/ice pack), as I did with the 31x 10.5 AT's, (MHO), So, I put the jeep in 4x4 HI and after that she did just fine. I don't think I spun a tire on the 38 mile drive back to the H/O area.
I think in deep fresh snow the tires would do a lot better.
Bill W
K7ANT
97 TJ with a few mods.
http://k7ant.rockcrawler.com/
Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and 4 wheeler's country.
37265 From: Beckham, Michael <Michael.Beckham@b...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 10:08am
Subject: RE: Snow!
My TJ is spooled (rear diff only) I have never had trouble with snow, I just do everything slower, and use 4 high. (it's got to have some use. doesn't it?)
of course I only see snow when I go up north. I usually stay here in the warm(comparatively now) desert like God intended. I get cold just seeing snow on TV.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Witt [mailto:k7ant@therim.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 11:07 AM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Snow!
I found out last night what 33 MT's and a traclok on snow over ice roads is like! The wife and I went to Show Low to see Harry Potter and do some more shopping. When we got ready to leave for Heber/Overgaard it was snowing a little bit. More ice crystals than anything.
I couldn't go very far without the jeep breaking loose and going sideways. Not just one wheel would spin, but both. I have traclok, and on snow or ice, both rear wheels break loose at about the same time. With the wide tires, 33x12.5 BFG mt's, I don't have as good of traction on plowed roads,(snow over ice or snow/ice pack), as I did with the 31x 10.5 AT's, (MHO), So, I put the jeep in 4x4 HI and after that she did just fine. I don't think I spun a tire on the 38 mile drive back to the H/O area.
I think in deep fresh snow the tires would do a lot better.
Bill W
K7ANT
97 TJ with a few mods.
http://k7ant.rockcrawler.com/
Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and 4 wheeler's country.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
37266 From: Bill Witt <k7ant@t...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 10:44am
Subject: Re: Snow!
Your right Michael, the key is 4x high. I run all over in my Dodge pickup with AT's and 2 wheel drive. I think the problem is the jeep is so light! I have been in deep snow, up to 2 feet of fairly fresh snow and still going with the jeep in 4 low. I am by far an experienced snow driver having lived up here and worked and driven in it every year for the last 30 years.
I guess my main point was that with a light jeep and 33x 12.5 MT's and a traklok or locker, you don't want to try to drive down a plowed snow over ice road in 2 wheel drive.
Bill W
K7ANT
97 TJ with a few mods.
http://k7ant.rockcrawler.com/
Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and 4 wheeler's country.
----- Original Message -----
From: Beckham, Michael
To: 'Bill Witt' ; AZVJC
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 11:08 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Snow!
My TJ is spooled (rear diff only) I have never had trouble with snow, I just do everything slower, and use 4 high. (it's got to have some use. doesn't it?)
of course I only see snow when I go up north. I usually stay here in the warm(comparatively now) desert like God intended. I get cold just seeing snow on TV.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Witt [mailto:k7ant@therim.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 11:07 AM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Snow!
I found out last night what 33 MT's and a traclok on snow over ice roads is like! The wife and I went to Show Low to see Harry Potter and do some more shopping. When we got ready to leave for Heber/Overgaard it was snowing a little bit. More ice crystals than anything.
I couldn't go very far without the jeep breaking loose and going sideways. Not just one wheel would spin, but both. I have traclok, and on snow or ice, both rear wheels break loose at about the same time. With the wide tires, 33x12.5 BFG mt's, I don't have as good of traction on plowed roads,(snow over ice or snow/ice pack), as I did with the 31x 10.5 AT's, (MHO), So, I put the jeep in 4x4 HI and after that she did just fine. I don't think I spun a tire on the 38 mile drive back to the H/O area.
I think in deep fresh snow the tires would do a lot better.
Bill W
K7ANT
97 TJ with a few mods.
http://k7ant.rockcrawler.com/
Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and 4 wheeler's country.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
37267 From: Bill Witt <k7ant@t...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 10:48am
Subject: Re: AZ VJC chat problems
I think your AZVJC and Yahoo accounts have to be the same name or email address. I posted this to the group to see if maybe someone else can help also David.
Anyone with a better idea? Mike or Stu, Joe. Hello?? Anyone else here on Sunday morning?
Bill W
K7ANT
97 TJ with a few mods.
http://k7ant.rockcrawler.com/
Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and 4 wheeler's country.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Kozak
To: k7ant@therim.com
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 11:16 AM
Subject: AZ VJC chat problems
I hope you can help me, Bill. I am a member of AZ VJC. I also have a Yahoo account, and I registered my Yahoo account to AZ_VJC. My Yahoo account name is kozakdavid. My Yahoo e-mail is kozakdavid@yahoo.com, which is different than my AZ VJC e-mail of david.kozak@bodywise.net. I don't know if this is my problem, but, when I try to access anything within Yahoo, Yahoo welcomes me by name (kozakdavid), but says I am not a member of az_vjc. Can you help me get past this roadblock. Thanks.
37268 From: gandre01 <gandre01@m...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 0:57pm
Subject: TJ radiator
Went to Prescott this last weekend...had great fun with the winter storm
blowing through. It's been a long time since I have played in the snow.
Woke up the next morning and fired up the TJ....and then comes the
distinctive smell of antifreeze. Inspection revealed what appears to be a
very small leak at the brass/plastic interface.
I'm thinking this must be a common problem with new half plastic/half brass
radiators...anybody have this happen?
Next step is to purchase a fully brass unit. Where's the best place to go?
George Andrews
'83 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
'00 TJ
Avondale Arizona
37269 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 1:07pm
Subject: Re: TJ radiator
Sooner of later, all the OEM's leak there. Try www.radiator.com
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "gandre01" <gandre01@m...>
To: "azvjc" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 1:57 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] TJ radiator
> Went to Prescott this last weekend...had great fun with the winter storm
> blowing through. It's been a long time since I have played in the snow.
>
> Woke up the next morning and fired up the TJ....and then comes the
> distinctive smell of antifreeze. Inspection revealed what appears to be a
> very small leak at the brass/plastic interface.
>
> I'm thinking this must be a common problem with new half plastic/half
brass
> radiators...anybody have this happen?
>
> Next step is to purchase a fully brass unit. Where's the best place to go?
>
>
> George Andrews
> '83 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
> '00 TJ
> Avondale Arizona
>
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37270 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 1:31pm
Subject: [FS] Smittybuilt front hoop & 2 spreaders
Price: 80.00
Contact: Craig Micek 623-694-2035
Brand New. 2" tube Fits CJ's with soft top and without padded dash.
Craig Micek
37271 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 1:39pm
Subject: [FS] CJ Seats & Hardware
Price: 60.00 OBO
Contact: Craig Micek 623-694-2035
84 CJ7 Seats with mounts, one slider, both tilt, brown, Decent condition, some torn fabric but not bad. Brand new $40.00 seat covers included, Black &; Grey.
Craig Micek
37272 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 1:45pm
Subject: [FS] WTB 8 lug wheels & small tires
Price: cheap
Contact: Craig Micek 623-694-2035
Need to move my axles around the garage until I can put them under the jeep.
Craig Micek
37273 From: randy richards <rrichards13@y...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 1:54pm
Subject: Fwd: FOR SALE:tube benders
Note: forwarded message attached.
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From: "Randy Richards" rrichards13@h...
To: rrichards13@y...
Subject: FOR SALE:tube benders
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 14:51:11 -0700
Sorry for the delays guys.
This bender is designed after the Hossfeld design. It will bend up to 3
inch. Its design is perfect for your garage or shop. I put all of my trust
in the bender as I do the Fabricator.
Email Randy to purchase your Christmas present today
Price: $2400.00 (less dies)
rrichards13@yahoo.com
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37274 From: flexyxj <flexyxj98@m...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 3:35pm
Subject: Quick Question Concerning run intrest..
Hey gang just a quick question.....Please let me know if there would
be any interest in running axle alley in a few weeks. I would like to
run this and would like some fellow AZVJC people to go....However, I
f you would be interested in going you will most definatly need a
winch and lockers...was there and walked the trail yesterday and
there are some very fun looking waterfalls!!!! I am considering Dec
29.... Any interest???
FlexyXJ
37275 From: J & P Visic <jpvisic@n...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 4:02pm
Subject: Re: Quick Question Concerning run intrest..
Where is axle alley? I have interest. Never been on a trail run with any
of the club before or done anything really rough. Have driven up Martinez
Canyon as far as Silver Bell mine without trouble. (scraped read diff hard)
I'm not sure what to expect, don't want to intentionally break something. I
read about runs with descriptions of the all the broken parts and I think I
read where some of you guys carry spare axles. That's probably over my
head.
I've got a pretty strong CJ-7, but not too flexy. Sway bar disconnects is
about it. I've got lockers, the winch, 2.5" of lift, and 33" BFG mudders.
I'd love to come. Can you tell me a little about the trail?
John
Casa Grande
----- Original Message -----
From: "flexyxj" <flexyxj98@m...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 4:35 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Quick Question Concerning run intrest..
> Hey gang just a quick question.....Please let me know if there would
> be any interest in running axle alley in a few weeks. I would like to
> run this and would like some fellow AZVJC people to go....However, I
> f you would be interested in going you will most definatly need a
> winch and lockers...was there and walked the trail yesterday and
> there are some very fun looking waterfalls!!!! I am considering Dec
> 29.... Any interest???
>
>
> FlexyXJ
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
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37276 From: Nick Gasmena <horizon@h...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 4:04pm
Subject: Re: Quick Question Concerning run intrest..
I think if you havent had much experience, and your rig isnt too flexy you
might stay away from axle alley... Especially if you dont want any broken
parts or body damage. Its a real fun trail, but remember, you gotta pay to
play. It is likely you will need a winch, and when your sitting on 33's you
might hit a few more rocks, that those who would run a 35-38" tire.
Nick Gasmena - nickg@h...
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----- Original Message -----
From: "J & P Visic" <jpvisic@n...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "flexyxj" <flexyxj98@m...>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Quick Question Concerning run intrest..
> Where is axle alley? I have interest. Never been on a trail run with any
> of the club before or done anything really rough. Have driven up Martinez
> Canyon as far as Silver Bell mine without trouble. (scraped read diff
hard)
> I'm not sure what to expect, don't want to intentionally break something.
I
> read about runs with descriptions of the all the broken parts and I think
I
> read where some of you guys carry spare axles. That's probably over my
> head.
>
> I've got a pretty strong CJ-7, but not too flexy. Sway bar disconnects is
> about it. I've got lockers, the winch, 2.5" of lift, and 33" BFG mudders.
> I'd love to come. Can you tell me a little about the trail?
>
> John
> Casa Grande
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "flexyxj" <flexyxj98@m...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 4:35 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Quick Question Concerning run intrest..
>
>
> > Hey gang just a quick question.....Please let me know if there would
> > be any interest in running axle alley in a few weeks. I would like to
> > run this and would like some fellow AZVJC people to go....However, I
> > f you would be interested in going you will most definatly need a
> > winch and lockers...was there and walked the trail yesterday and
> > there are some very fun looking waterfalls!!!! I am considering Dec
> > 29.... Any interest???
> >
> >
> > FlexyXJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
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>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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37252 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 7:06am
Subject: RE: Sunday
Scott Kruize and I were thinking about doing a run in Florence Junction
today... Woodpeckers, Ajax...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wishmaaker [mailto:wishmaaker@y...]
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:00 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Sunday
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> anyone want to go wheeling today?
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37253 From: wishmaaker <wishmaaker@y...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 7:23am
Subject: Re: Sunday
When? where to meet? I am running more on the stock side - a small
lift and quick disconx sitting on 31, do you think I can make that
run?
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> wrote:
> Scott Kruize and I were thinking about doing a run in Florence
Junction
> today... Woodpeckers, Ajax...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wishmaaker [mailto:wishmaaker@y...]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:00 AM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Sunday
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> > anyone want to go wheeling today?
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37254 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 7:37am
Subject: RE: Re: Sunday
You might be able to make it... but I wouldn't recommend it. Are you locked
on either end?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wishmaaker [mailto:wishmaaker@y...]
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:24 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Sunday
>
>
>
> When? where to meet? I am running more on the stock side - a small
> lift and quick disconx sitting on 31, do you think I can make that
> run?
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> wrote:
> > Scott Kruize and I were thinking about doing a run in Florence
> Junction
> > today... Woodpeckers, Ajax...
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wishmaaker [mailto:wishmaaker@y...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:00 AM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Sunday
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> > >
> > > anyone want to go wheeling today?
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37255 From: wishmaaker <wishmaaker@y...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 7:39am
Subject: Re: Sunday
nope not yet.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> wrote:
> You might be able to make it... but I wouldn't recommend it. Are
you locked
> on either end?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wishmaaker [mailto:wishmaaker@y...]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:24 AM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Sunday
> >
> >
> >
> > When? where to meet? I am running more on the stock side - a
small
> > lift and quick disconx sitting on 31, do you think I can make that
> > run?
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> wrote:
> > > Scott Kruize and I were thinking about doing a run in Florence
> > Junction
> > > today... Woodpeckers, Ajax...
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: wishmaaker [mailto:wishmaaker@y...]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:00 AM
> > > > To: az_vjc@y...
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> > > >
> > > > anyone want to go wheeling today?
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37256 From: J & P Visic <jpvisic@n...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 8:31am
Subject: Re: Sunday
Sounds great, but I promised my mother-in-law (81 yrs young) that I would
put up Christmas lights today. I haven't been out with any club members
yet. Wish I could have made this one.
John
Casa Grande
84 CJ-7
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...>
To: "'wishmaaker'" <wishmaaker@y...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:06 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Sunday
> Scott Kruize and I were thinking about doing a run in Florence Junction
> today... Woodpeckers, Ajax...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wishmaaker [mailto:wishmaaker@y...]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 8:00 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Sunday
> >
> >
> > anyone want to go wheeling today?
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37257 From: wishmaaker <wishmaaker@y...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 8:55am
Subject: Anyone Else for a Sunday Run?
Looking toward Box Canyon something or other.
37258 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 8:56am
Subject: Four Peaks/Mud Springs Run today
Hi Everyone,
Scott Kruize and myself decided to run Mud Springs or go to the top of Four
Peaks to see if there is any snow up there. If anyone is interested in
going along... please send me an email. We won't be leaving for a couple of
hours... we want to do a nice comfortable snow or scenic run.
Joe West
37259 From: nilar708 <squarelights@h...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 9:05am
Subject: how do i get to fr42
can anyone tell me how to get to fr 42 i want to do the trail today.
37260 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 9:06am
Subject: Re: diesel starting problem solved
The Cummins diesel engines use a heating grid instead of glow plugs. The
heating grid tends to have a longer life, but it's hard to say! We have
a Nissan 3.3l TD in the barn with over 250,000 miles on the original
glow plugs. So lifetime is relative.
Here's a book that might help you out.
"Diesel Mechanics, Second Edition" by Erich J. Schulz, ISBN
0-07-055639-3
This is basically a trade school text book and is pretty detailed. The
copy we have does not go into heating grids or electronic fuel injection
systems. There is probably an updated edition available.
Linda
imagineero wrote:
>
> I'd been having a lot of trouble starting my rig this past month. It just
> runs a little 2.2l 4 cyl diesel. It used to start the first cranking, then
> it needed 2, then 3, then 4, till it got to the point that I'd be sitting
> there in the morning, cranking like mad for a good ten minutes almost
> draining my battery flat, pumping away on the gas peddle and sending my
> neighbours insane. Not the best way to start the morning. Once it had
> been started and run for a while it would start first go again as long as I
> didn;t leave ot turned off for more than a few hours. Once it got cold it
> would be a right bugger to start again.
>
> I'd just put it down to cold and resigned myself to having a very long
> winter. Someone on the group mentioned that glowplugs are important, so I
> got myself down to a mechanic I know and trust. Glowplugs preheat the fuel
> to help it ignite when conditions are cold. He said that there are a lot
> of glowplugs available from different manufacturers, and that the OEM items
> are generally crap. He recommended a brand that was made in Japan by an
> aftermarked company (sorry, forgot the name) which were about double the
> price of the OEM item, about $US10 each. This guy has never steered me
> wrong, so I handed over my $40 (1 for each cylinder). This was about 2
> weeks ago, and temperatures have been dropping and dropping. The jeep has
> kicked over on the first revolution every morning without hesitation.
>
> As an aside, he mentioned to me that glowplugs are controlled by a time
> based relay. When the key is set to the 'on' position they turn on for
> 5~10 seconds and then turn back off again. This is so they wouldn't burn
> out if you left your key in 'on' without starting your car. He says the
> best thing to do is first turn the key to 'on', wait 5 seconds and then
> start the engine. It gives the plugs a few seconds to start warming up.
>
> Hope this helps somebody out there..... an inexpensive fix that gave a
> massive improvement.
>
> Shaun
> South Korea
>
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>
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37261 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 9:07am
Subject: Re: Burned SUV in the 2nd Cove
Thanks, Will verify that with the USFS on Monday.
Linda
wishmaaker wrote:
>
> While out at the lake yesterday, saw and off road recovery truck on
> its way to retrieve the burned SUV. Looks like no one will need to
> pull it out after all. bummer
>
>
>
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37262 From: <aphrodsyak@a...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 4:21am
Subject: PLEASE HELP!!!!
Does anyone have carriers for a TJ . Someones jeep is down and it needs them. please call anytime!!!
These carriers need to be from a 3:55 or lower gear ratio. they can be replaced with new ones in a bit of time but noone is open on sun. Please if you know anyone we really need your help. Thanks
ERIC 480-650-3887
Anyone who has put in a ARB or Detroit
37263 From: rrichards13 <rrichards13@y...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 10:01am
Subject: custom made TUBE benders
Everyone, I apoligize for the recent message sent yesterday on
pipe benders. I just have a habit of calling tube benders, pipe
benders.
I hope any of you would like to have one. Like I said I should get
the info from the fabricator today.
thx
Randy
99Tj
37264 From: Bill Witt <k7ant@t...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 10:06am
Subject: Snow!
I found out last night what 33 MT's and a traclok on snow over ice roads is like! The wife and I went to Show Low to see Harry Potter and do some more shopping. When we got ready to leave for Heber/Overgaard it was snowing a little bit. More ice crystals than anything.
I couldn't go very far without the jeep breaking loose and going sideways. Not just one wheel would spin, but both. I have traclok, and on snow or ice, both rear wheels break loose at about the same time. With the wide tires, 33x12.5 BFG mt's, I don't have as good of traction on plowed roads,(snow over ice or snow/ice pack), as I did with the 31x 10.5 AT's, (MHO), So, I put the jeep in 4x4 HI and after that she did just fine. I don't think I spun a tire on the 38 mile drive back to the H/O area.
I think in deep fresh snow the tires would do a lot better.
Bill W
K7ANT
97 TJ with a few mods.
http://k7ant.rockcrawler.com/
Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and 4 wheeler's country.
37265 From: Beckham, Michael <Michael.Beckham@b...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 10:08am
Subject: RE: Snow!
My TJ is spooled (rear diff only) I have never had trouble with snow, I just do everything slower, and use 4 high. (it's got to have some use. doesn't it?)
of course I only see snow when I go up north. I usually stay here in the warm(comparatively now) desert like God intended. I get cold just seeing snow on TV.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Witt [mailto:k7ant@therim.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 11:07 AM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Snow!
I found out last night what 33 MT's and a traclok on snow over ice roads is like! The wife and I went to Show Low to see Harry Potter and do some more shopping. When we got ready to leave for Heber/Overgaard it was snowing a little bit. More ice crystals than anything.
I couldn't go very far without the jeep breaking loose and going sideways. Not just one wheel would spin, but both. I have traclok, and on snow or ice, both rear wheels break loose at about the same time. With the wide tires, 33x12.5 BFG mt's, I don't have as good of traction on plowed roads,(snow over ice or snow/ice pack), as I did with the 31x 10.5 AT's, (MHO), So, I put the jeep in 4x4 HI and after that she did just fine. I don't think I spun a tire on the 38 mile drive back to the H/O area.
I think in deep fresh snow the tires would do a lot better.
Bill W
K7ANT
97 TJ with a few mods.
http://k7ant.rockcrawler.com/
Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and 4 wheeler's country.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
37266 From: Bill Witt <k7ant@t...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 10:44am
Subject: Re: Snow!
Your right Michael, the key is 4x high. I run all over in my Dodge pickup with AT's and 2 wheel drive. I think the problem is the jeep is so light! I have been in deep snow, up to 2 feet of fairly fresh snow and still going with the jeep in 4 low. I am by far an experienced snow driver having lived up here and worked and driven in it every year for the last 30 years.
I guess my main point was that with a light jeep and 33x 12.5 MT's and a traklok or locker, you don't want to try to drive down a plowed snow over ice road in 2 wheel drive.
Bill W
K7ANT
97 TJ with a few mods.
http://k7ant.rockcrawler.com/
Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and 4 wheeler's country.
----- Original Message -----
From: Beckham, Michael
To: 'Bill Witt' ; AZVJC
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 11:08 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Snow!
My TJ is spooled (rear diff only) I have never had trouble with snow, I just do everything slower, and use 4 high. (it's got to have some use. doesn't it?)
of course I only see snow when I go up north. I usually stay here in the warm(comparatively now) desert like God intended. I get cold just seeing snow on TV.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Witt [mailto:k7ant@therim.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 11:07 AM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Snow!
I found out last night what 33 MT's and a traclok on snow over ice roads is like! The wife and I went to Show Low to see Harry Potter and do some more shopping. When we got ready to leave for Heber/Overgaard it was snowing a little bit. More ice crystals than anything.
I couldn't go very far without the jeep breaking loose and going sideways. Not just one wheel would spin, but both. I have traclok, and on snow or ice, both rear wheels break loose at about the same time. With the wide tires, 33x12.5 BFG mt's, I don't have as good of traction on plowed roads,(snow over ice or snow/ice pack), as I did with the 31x 10.5 AT's, (MHO), So, I put the jeep in 4x4 HI and after that she did just fine. I don't think I spun a tire on the 38 mile drive back to the H/O area.
I think in deep fresh snow the tires would do a lot better.
Bill W
K7ANT
97 TJ with a few mods.
http://k7ant.rockcrawler.com/
Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and 4 wheeler's country.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
37267 From: Bill Witt <k7ant@t...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 10:48am
Subject: Re: AZ VJC chat problems
I think your AZVJC and Yahoo accounts have to be the same name or email address. I posted this to the group to see if maybe someone else can help also David.
Anyone with a better idea? Mike or Stu, Joe. Hello?? Anyone else here on Sunday morning?
Bill W
K7ANT
97 TJ with a few mods.
http://k7ant.rockcrawler.com/
Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and 4 wheeler's country.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Kozak
To: k7ant@therim.com
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 11:16 AM
Subject: AZ VJC chat problems
I hope you can help me, Bill. I am a member of AZ VJC. I also have a Yahoo account, and I registered my Yahoo account to AZ_VJC. My Yahoo account name is kozakdavid. My Yahoo e-mail is kozakdavid@yahoo.com, which is different than my AZ VJC e-mail of david.kozak@bodywise.net. I don't know if this is my problem, but, when I try to access anything within Yahoo, Yahoo welcomes me by name (kozakdavid), but says I am not a member of az_vjc. Can you help me get past this roadblock. Thanks.
37268 From: gandre01 <gandre01@m...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 0:57pm
Subject: TJ radiator
Went to Prescott this last weekend...had great fun with the winter storm
blowing through. It's been a long time since I have played in the snow.
Woke up the next morning and fired up the TJ....and then comes the
distinctive smell of antifreeze. Inspection revealed what appears to be a
very small leak at the brass/plastic interface.
I'm thinking this must be a common problem with new half plastic/half brass
radiators...anybody have this happen?
Next step is to purchase a fully brass unit. Where's the best place to go?
George Andrews
'83 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
'00 TJ
Avondale Arizona
37269 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 1:07pm
Subject: Re: TJ radiator
Sooner of later, all the OEM's leak there. Try www.radiator.com
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "gandre01" <gandre01@m...>
To: "azvjc" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 1:57 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] TJ radiator
> Went to Prescott this last weekend...had great fun with the winter storm
> blowing through. It's been a long time since I have played in the snow.
>
> Woke up the next morning and fired up the TJ....and then comes the
> distinctive smell of antifreeze. Inspection revealed what appears to be a
> very small leak at the brass/plastic interface.
>
> I'm thinking this must be a common problem with new half plastic/half
brass
> radiators...anybody have this happen?
>
> Next step is to purchase a fully brass unit. Where's the best place to go?
>
>
> George Andrews
> '83 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
> '00 TJ
> Avondale Arizona
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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37270 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 1:31pm
Subject: [FS] Smittybuilt front hoop & 2 spreaders
Price: 80.00
Contact: Craig Micek 623-694-2035
Brand New. 2" tube Fits CJ's with soft top and without padded dash.
Craig Micek
37271 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 1:39pm
Subject: [FS] CJ Seats & Hardware
Price: 60.00 OBO
Contact: Craig Micek 623-694-2035
84 CJ7 Seats with mounts, one slider, both tilt, brown, Decent condition, some torn fabric but not bad. Brand new $40.00 seat covers included, Black &; Grey.
Craig Micek
37272 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 1:45pm
Subject: [FS] WTB 8 lug wheels & small tires
Price: cheap
Contact: Craig Micek 623-694-2035
Need to move my axles around the garage until I can put them under the jeep.
Craig Micek
37273 From: randy richards <rrichards13@y...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 1:54pm
Subject: Fwd: FOR SALE:tube benders
Note: forwarded message attached.
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From: "Randy Richards" rrichards13@h...
To: rrichards13@y...
Subject: FOR SALE:tube benders
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 14:51:11 -0700
Sorry for the delays guys.
This bender is designed after the Hossfeld design. It will bend up to 3
inch. Its design is perfect for your garage or shop. I put all of my trust
in the bender as I do the Fabricator.
Email Randy to purchase your Christmas present today
Price: $2400.00 (less dies)
rrichards13@yahoo.com
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37274 From: flexyxj <flexyxj98@m...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 3:35pm
Subject: Quick Question Concerning run intrest..
Hey gang just a quick question.....Please let me know if there would
be any interest in running axle alley in a few weeks. I would like to
run this and would like some fellow AZVJC people to go....However, I
f you would be interested in going you will most definatly need a
winch and lockers...was there and walked the trail yesterday and
there are some very fun looking waterfalls!!!! I am considering Dec
29.... Any interest???
FlexyXJ
37275 From: J & P Visic <jpvisic@n...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 4:02pm
Subject: Re: Quick Question Concerning run intrest..
Where is axle alley? I have interest. Never been on a trail run with any
of the club before or done anything really rough. Have driven up Martinez
Canyon as far as Silver Bell mine without trouble. (scraped read diff hard)
I'm not sure what to expect, don't want to intentionally break something. I
read about runs with descriptions of the all the broken parts and I think I
read where some of you guys carry spare axles. That's probably over my
head.
I've got a pretty strong CJ-7, but not too flexy. Sway bar disconnects is
about it. I've got lockers, the winch, 2.5" of lift, and 33" BFG mudders.
I'd love to come. Can you tell me a little about the trail?
John
Casa Grande
----- Original Message -----
From: "flexyxj" <flexyxj98@m...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 4:35 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Quick Question Concerning run intrest..
> Hey gang just a quick question.....Please let me know if there would
> be any interest in running axle alley in a few weeks. I would like to
> run this and would like some fellow AZVJC people to go....However, I
> f you would be interested in going you will most definatly need a
> winch and lockers...was there and walked the trail yesterday and
> there are some very fun looking waterfalls!!!! I am considering Dec
> 29.... Any interest???
>
>
> FlexyXJ
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
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37276 From: Nick Gasmena <horizon@h...>
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2001 4:04pm
Subject: Re: Quick Question Concerning run intrest..
I think if you havent had much experience, and your rig isnt too flexy you
might stay away from axle alley... Especially if you dont want any broken
parts or body damage. Its a real fun trail, but remember, you gotta pay to
play. It is likely you will need a winch, and when your sitting on 33's you
might hit a few more rocks, that those who would run a 35-38" tire.
Nick Gasmena - nickg@h...
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----- Original Message -----
From: "J & P Visic" <jpvisic@n...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "flexyxj" <flexyxj98@m...>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Quick Question Concerning run intrest..
> Where is axle alley? I have interest. Never been on a trail run with any
> of the club before or done anything really rough. Have driven up Martinez
> Canyon as far as Silver Bell mine without trouble. (scraped read diff
hard)
> I'm not sure what to expect, don't want to intentionally break something.
I
> read about runs with descriptions of the all the broken parts and I think
I
> read where some of you guys carry spare axles. That's probably over my
> head.
>
> I've got a pretty strong CJ-7, but not too flexy. Sway bar disconnects is
> about it. I've got lockers, the winch, 2.5" of lift, and 33" BFG mudders.
> I'd love to come. Can you tell me a little about the trail?
>
> John
> Casa Grande
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "flexyxj" <flexyxj98@m...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 4:35 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Quick Question Concerning run intrest..
>
>
> > Hey gang just a quick question.....Please let me know if there would
> > be any interest in running axle alley in a few weeks. I would like to
> > run this and would like some fellow AZVJC people to go....However, I
> > f you would be interested in going you will most definatly need a
> > winch and lockers...was there and walked the trail yesterday and
> > there are some very fun looking waterfalls!!!! I am considering Dec
> > 29.... Any interest???
> >
> >
> > FlexyXJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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