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37001 From: Robert Holmes <flamable_liquid@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 3:36pm
Subject: RE: Re: New Sahara

Out of curiosity what does a new TJ run??

>From: "Larry Farquhar" <lfar@h...>
>To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
>Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:26:14 -0700
>
>Pitre Jeep in Scottsdale will automatically do $200 over invoice. Just say
>you saw them on the Internet, which you can also get your price from
>(sorry,
>don't remember the URL). They will want an email address to record you as
>an
>Internet buyer. This also applies to Jeeps off the lot. I had a good buying
>experience from them, but never have needed to use their service
>department.
>
>Larry Farquhar
>2001 TJ - "Wyle E"
>www.azjeeper.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@e...]
>Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:57 AM
>To: paparoach85251; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
>
>
>David,
>
>If you pay more than $200 over invoice for a custom ordered TJ you are
>crazy! Keep looking. There is 3% padded into the invoice price of all Jeeps
>which is to allow the dealer to finance the cost of the Jeep while it sits
>on the lot waiting to be sold. If you order a Jeep that 3% is all profit to
>the dealer since he never has to try and sell it.
>
>Do your homework and you'll get a sweet deal. I paid $200 over invoice on
>mine. I walked in the door, told them what I wanted and how much I was
>willing to pay. I had all the invoice prices in my coat pocket from varius
>internet sites. If they give you any grief just venture over to another
>dealer. Some dealers were willing to go as low as $100 over invoice. Shop
>around.
>
>Where you might get screwed is if you go to trade. You can always sell it
>on
>your own. But keep in mind that if you do trade that amount is subtracted
>from the purchase price when they go to figure out how much sales tax to
>charge which can amount to alot. Sometimes the extra money saved in sales
>tax isn't worth the trouble of selling it on your own. This works best with
>a trade in with a higher value.
>
>Scott K
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: paparoach85251 [mailto:lespaparoach@m...]
>Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:39 AM
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
>
>
>
>David-
>If you are going to buy new and aren't in a hurry then special order
>exactly what you want. You pick every option you want and have them
>build a TJ to order, but it takes about 6-8 weeks. You can choose
>which axle, gears, radio, etc. I wish I had known this when I got
>mine. You can probably find a dealer with an internet or fleet sales
>dept that will order for you and only charge you about 400 to 500
>over dealer invoice.
>Let me know if you need any help getting a deal as I have a few
>connections in the car biz.
>
>Les
>
>--- In az_vjc@y..., "David R. W. Withers" <dr_ww@h...> wrote:
> > So I think my wife is going to get a TJ. So I go the jeep site and
> > price out a Sahara. Several issues
> > 1. Soft top on a Sahara? since when
> > 2. 3.07 axle ratio only with an automatic and D44? again since
>when?
> > 3. D44 is an option???? why
> >
> > David R. W. Withers
> > Desk: 480.551.4667
> > Mobile: 480.215.6992
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
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>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>
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>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>

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37002 From: JW <joew@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 3:39pm
Subject: RE: Re: New Sahara

With the 4 cylinder motor... about 28 mph on the highway. 18mph on the
highway with 33" tires, 9mph on the highway with 35" tires and with 36" and
larger tires, it just sits there and breaks axles when you let out the
clutch.
<grin>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Holmes [mailto:flamable_liquid@h...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:37 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
>
>
> Out of curiosity what does a new TJ run??
>
>
> >From: "Larry Farquhar" <lfar@h...>
> >To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> >Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:26:14 -0700
> >
> >Pitre Jeep in Scottsdale will automatically do $200 over
> invoice. Just say
> >you saw them on the Internet, which you can also get your price from
> >(sorry,
> >don't remember the URL). They will want an email address to
> record you as
> >an
> >Internet buyer. This also applies to Jeeps off the lot. I
> had a good buying
> >experience from them, but never have needed to use their service
> >department.
> >
> >Larry Farquhar
> >2001 TJ - "Wyle E"
> >www.azjeeper.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@e...]
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:57 AM
> >To: paparoach85251; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> >
> >
> >David,
> >
> >If you pay more than $200 over invoice for a custom ordered
> TJ you are
> >crazy! Keep looking. There is 3% padded into the invoice
> price of all Jeeps
> >which is to allow the dealer to finance the cost of the Jeep
> while it sits
> >on the lot waiting to be sold. If you order a Jeep that 3%
> is all profit to
> >the dealer since he never has to try and sell it.
> >
> >Do your homework and you'll get a sweet deal. I paid $200
> over invoice on
> >mine. I walked in the door, told them what I wanted and how
> much I was
> >willing to pay. I had all the invoice prices in my coat
> pocket from varius
> >internet sites. If they give you any grief just venture over
> to another
> >dealer. Some dealers were willing to go as low as $100 over
> invoice. Shop
> >around.
> >
> >Where you might get screwed is if you go to trade. You can
> always sell it
> >on
> >your own. But keep in mind that if you do trade that amount
> is subtracted
> >from the purchase price when they go to figure out how much
> sales tax to
> >charge which can amount to alot. Sometimes the extra money
> saved in sales
> >tax isn't worth the trouble of selling it on your own. This
> works best with
> >a trade in with a higher value.
> >
> >Scott K
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: paparoach85251 [mailto:lespaparoach@m...]
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:39 AM
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> >
> >
> >
> >David-
> >If you are going to buy new and aren't in a hurry then special order
> >exactly what you want. You pick every option you want and have them
> >build a TJ to order, but it takes about 6-8 weeks. You can choose
> >which axle, gears, radio, etc. I wish I had known this when I got
> >mine. You can probably find a dealer with an internet or fleet sales
> >dept that will order for you and only charge you about 400 to 500
> >over dealer invoice.
> >Let me know if you need any help getting a deal as I have a few
> >connections in the car biz.
> >
> >Les
> >
> >--- In az_vjc@y..., "David R. W. Withers" <dr_ww@h...> wrote:
> > > So I think my wife is going to get a TJ. So I go the
> jeep site and
> > > price out a Sahara. Several issues
> > > 1. Soft top on a Sahara? since when
> > > 2. 3.07 axle ratio only with an automatic and D44? again since
> >when?
> > > 3. D44 is an option???? why
> > >
> > > David R. W. Withers
> > > Desk: 480.551.4667
> > > Mobile: 480.215.6992
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ~Robert Holmes
>
>
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37003 From: Robert Holmes <flamable_liquid@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 3:42pm
Subject: RE: Re: New Sahara

so how much does it cost to get it in 4WD stripped/loaded

>From: "JW" <joew@a...>
>Reply-To: <joew@a...>
>To: "'Robert Holmes'" <flamable_liquid@h...>,
><az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
>Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:39:52 -0700
>
>With the 4 cylinder motor... about 28 mph on the highway. 18mph on the
>highway with 33" tires, 9mph on the highway with 35" tires and with 36" and
>larger tires, it just sits there and breaks axles when you let out the
>clutch.
><grin>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Holmes [mailto:flamable_liquid@h...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:37 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> >
> >
> > Out of curiosity what does a new TJ run??
> >
> >
> > >From: "Larry Farquhar" <lfar@h...>
> > >To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> > >Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:26:14 -0700
> > >
> > >Pitre Jeep in Scottsdale will automatically do $200 over
> > invoice. Just say
> > >you saw them on the Internet, which you can also get your price from
> > >(sorry,
> > >don't remember the URL). They will want an email address to
> > record you as
> > >an
> > >Internet buyer. This also applies to Jeeps off the lot. I
> > had a good buying
> > >experience from them, but never have needed to use their service
> > >department.
> > >
> > >Larry Farquhar
> > >2001 TJ - "Wyle E"
> > >www.azjeeper.com
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@e...]
> > >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:57 AM
> > >To: paparoach85251; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> > >
> > >
> > >David,
> > >
> > >If you pay more than $200 over invoice for a custom ordered
> > TJ you are
> > >crazy! Keep looking. There is 3% padded into the invoice
> > price of all Jeeps
> > >which is to allow the dealer to finance the cost of the Jeep
> > while it sits
> > >on the lot waiting to be sold. If you order a Jeep that 3%
> > is all profit to
> > >the dealer since he never has to try and sell it.
> > >
> > >Do your homework and you'll get a sweet deal. I paid $200
> > over invoice on
> > >mine. I walked in the door, told them what I wanted and how
> > much I was
> > >willing to pay. I had all the invoice prices in my coat
> > pocket from varius
> > >internet sites. If they give you any grief just venture over
> > to another
> > >dealer. Some dealers were willing to go as low as $100 over
> > invoice. Shop
> > >around.
> > >
> > >Where you might get screwed is if you go to trade. You can
> > always sell it
> > >on
> > >your own. But keep in mind that if you do trade that amount
> > is subtracted
> > >from the purchase price when they go to figure out how much
> > sales tax to
> > >charge which can amount to alot. Sometimes the extra money
> > saved in sales
> > >tax isn't worth the trouble of selling it on your own. This
> > works best with
> > >a trade in with a higher value.
> > >
> > >Scott K
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: paparoach85251 [mailto:lespaparoach@m...]
> > >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:39 AM
> > >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >David-
> > >If you are going to buy new and aren't in a hurry then special order
> > >exactly what you want. You pick every option you want and have them
> > >build a TJ to order, but it takes about 6-8 weeks. You can choose
> > >which axle, gears, radio, etc. I wish I had known this when I got
> > >mine. You can probably find a dealer with an internet or fleet sales
> > >dept that will order for you and only charge you about 400 to 500
> > >over dealer invoice.
> > >Let me know if you need any help getting a deal as I have a few
> > >connections in the car biz.
> > >
> > >Les
> > >
> > >--- In az_vjc@y..., "David R. W. Withers" <dr_ww@h...> wrote:
> > > > So I think my wife is going to get a TJ. So I go the
> > jeep site and
> > > > price out a Sahara. Several issues
> > > > 1. Soft top on a Sahara? since when
> > > > 2. 3.07 axle ratio only with an automatic and D44? again since
> > >when?
> > > > 3. D44 is an option???? why
> > > >
> > > > David R. W. Withers
> > > > Desk: 480.551.4667
> > > > Mobile: 480.215.6992
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ~Robert Holmes
> >
> >
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> >
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37004 From: monosyllabicguy78 <monosyllabicguy@w...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 3:46pm
Subject: Re: Wheel spacers????

Gary,
im pretty sure the debate was whether to use spacers or go with a wheel with less backspacing. lets say you have a wheel with 4.5" of backspacing. if you want 2.5" instead, you could go with a 2" spacer or you could have wheels made with the desired backspacing. both methods will put the same extra strain on the wheel bearings.
Joey

--- In az_vjc@y..., Gary Holmes <niitoyis@w...> wrote:
> Group:
>
> I am curious as to the additional loading wheel spacers apply to the wheel
> bearings themselves. Stock offset takes into aco**** the weight rating of
> the bearings and adding a spacer could only change the lever moment on the
> bearings increasing the load and time-to-failure. Comments.
>
> Gary Holmes
>
> wishmaaker wrote:
>
> > Heres an Article that discusses Wheel spacers -
> >
> > http://www.rockcrawler.com/techreports/jks_spacers/index.asp
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "JW" <joew@a...> wrote:
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > I'm pretty sure that I am the most vocal opponent of wheel spacers
> > on the
> > > group... and I listed plenty of reasons why. What I wrote
> > about "street"
> > > Jeeps was only written to make a point about the difference in
> > stresses
> > > placed on the wheel spacers when on the road vs off the road... I
> > hope my
> > > previous posts made it pretty clear that wheel spacers are bad ON
> > or Off the
> > > road.
> > >
> > > By the way, just curious... with all the people who said that wheel
> > spacers
> > > were great, cool, no problems... use em all you want, why did you
> > choose to
> > > make an issue of my "street" comment? Maybe I need to stop posting
> > for a
> > > while... <grin>
> > >
> > > Take care Mike.
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: neder13 [mailto:Mike@A...]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:36 AM
> > > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Wheel spacers????
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I was refering to your comment that wheel spacers were only
> > > > for "Street Jeeps"...
> > > >
> > > > - Mike
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "JW" <joew@a...> wrote:
> > > > > Mike,
> > > > >
> > > > > I think you are confused... I am against wheel spacers, not for
> > > > them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe West
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: neder13 [mailto:azvjc@a...]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 9:07 AM
> > > > > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Wheel spacers????
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Things like this make me take an exact opposite opinion than
> > > > JW's. I
> > > > > > hope that he doesn't drive that thing on the STREET, where I
> > > > might be
> > > > > > driving down the same road with my FAMILY.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

37005 From: Larry Farquhar <lfar@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 4:09pm
Subject: RE: Re: New Sahara

Around $15K for bare bones up to around $25K fully loaded. (prices are
estimates) Make sure you really want the Sahara package. I didn't want some
of the frills or want to pay for most of the "extras" the Sahara has. I
configured a Sport the way I wanted. Besides, you couldn't get a Sahara in
YELLOW!

Larry Farquhar
'01 TJ - "Wyle E" (lurking member of the banana bunch)
www.azjeeper.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Holmes [mailto:flamable_liquid@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:43 PM
To: joew@a...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara

so how much does it cost to get it in 4WD stripped/loaded

>From: "JW" <joew@a...>
>Reply-To: <joew@a...>
>To: "'Robert Holmes'" <flamable_liquid@h...>,
><az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
>Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:39:52 -0700
>
>With the 4 cylinder motor... about 28 mph on the highway. 18mph on the
>highway with 33" tires, 9mph on the highway with 35" tires and with 36" and
>larger tires, it just sits there and breaks axles when you let out the
>clutch.
><grin>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Holmes [mailto:flamable_liquid@h...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:37 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> >
> >
> > Out of curiosity what does a new TJ run??
> >
> >
> > >From: "Larry Farquhar" <lfar@h...>
> > >To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> > >Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:26:14 -0700
> > >
> > >Pitre Jeep in Scottsdale will automatically do $200 over
> > invoice. Just say
> > >you saw them on the Internet, which you can also get your price from
> > >(sorry,
> > >don't remember the URL). They will want an email address to
> > record you as
> > >an
> > >Internet buyer. This also applies to Jeeps off the lot. I
> > had a good buying
> > >experience from them, but never have needed to use their service
> > >department.
> > >
> > >Larry Farquhar
> > >2001 TJ - "Wyle E"
> > >www.azjeeper.com
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@e...]
> > >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:57 AM
> > >To: paparoach85251; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> > >
> > >
> > >David,
> > >
> > >If you pay more than $200 over invoice for a custom ordered
> > TJ you are
> > >crazy! Keep looking. There is 3% padded into the invoice
> > price of all Jeeps
> > >which is to allow the dealer to finance the cost of the Jeep
> > while it sits
> > >on the lot waiting to be sold. If you order a Jeep that 3%
> > is all profit to
> > >the dealer since he never has to try and sell it.
> > >
> > >Do your homework and you'll get a sweet deal. I paid $200
> > over invoice on
> > >mine. I walked in the door, told them what I wanted and how
> > much I was
> > >willing to pay. I had all the invoice prices in my coat
> > pocket from varius
> > >internet sites. If they give you any grief just venture over
> > to another
> > >dealer. Some dealers were willing to go as low as $100 over
> > invoice. Shop
> > >around.
> > >
> > >Where you might get screwed is if you go to trade. You can
> > always sell it
> > >on
> > >your own. But keep in mind that if you do trade that amount
> > is subtracted
> > >from the purchase price when they go to figure out how much
> > sales tax to
> > >charge which can amount to alot. Sometimes the extra money
> > saved in sales
> > >tax isn't worth the trouble of selling it on your own. This
> > works best with
> > >a trade in with a higher value.
> > >
> > >Scott K
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: paparoach85251 [mailto:lespaparoach@m...]
> > >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:39 AM
> > >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >David-
> > >If you are going to buy new and aren't in a hurry then special order
> > >exactly what you want. You pick every option you want and have them
> > >build a TJ to order, but it takes about 6-8 weeks. You can choose
> > >which axle, gears, radio, etc. I wish I had known this when I got
> > >mine. You can probably find a dealer with an internet or fleet sales
> > >dept that will order for you and only charge you about 400 to 500
> > >over dealer invoice.
> > >Let me know if you need any help getting a deal as I have a few
> > >connections in the car biz.
> > >
> > >Les
> > >
> > >--- In az_vjc@y..., "David R. W. Withers" <dr_ww@h...> wrote:
> > > > So I think my wife is going to get a TJ. So I go the
> > jeep site and
> > > > price out a Sahara. Several issues
> > > > 1. Soft top on a Sahara? since when
> > > > 2. 3.07 axle ratio only with an automatic and D44? again since
> > >when?
> > > > 3. D44 is an option???? why
> > > >
> > > > David R. W. Withers
> > > > Desk: 480.551.4667
> > > > Mobile: 480.215.6992
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
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37006 From: Gary Holmes <niitoyis@w...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 4:13pm
Subject: Re: Re: Wheel spacers????

Joey:

Either way, when you change the length of the lever in the equation you are loading the bearing beyond it's design. In my book this is not desirable. I have seen the results first hand (though on a low-rider Mustang) when the bearing disintegrated at freeway speed. Obviously they had a set of those extreme dished wheels mounted with
the exaggerated offset (not to mention the VW tires streached over them.). Not a pretty picture. I asked the guy driving if he had had problems with wheel bearings. He said "No, I just change them every month!"

Perhaps the physical size of the bearings for a 4x4 vehicle help keep this situation under control by being overdesigned in the first place because of the duty cycle imposed on them in projected off-road use. Stills sounds like playing with fire, wheel spacers or not.

Just my humble opinion.

Gary Holmes

monosyllabicguy78 wrote:

> Gary,
> im pretty sure the debate was whether to use spacers or go with a wheel with less backspacing. lets say you have a wheel with 4.5" of backspacing. if you want 2.5" instead, you could go with a 2" spacer or you could have wheels made with the desired backspacing. both methods will put the same extra strain on the wheel bearings.
> Joey
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Gary Holmes <niitoyis@w...> wrote:
> > Group:
> >
> > I am curious as to the additional loading wheel spacers apply to the wheel
> > bearings themselves. Stock offset takes into aco**** the weight rating of
> > the bearings and adding a spacer could only change the lever moment on the
> > bearings increasing the load and time-to-failure. Comments.
> >
> > Gary Holmes
> >
> > wishmaaker wrote:
> >
> > > Heres an Article that discusses Wheel spacers -
> > >
> > > http://www.rockcrawler.com/techreports/jks_spacers/index.asp
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "JW" <joew@a...> wrote:
> > > > Mike,
> > > >
> > > > I'm pretty sure that I am the most vocal opponent of wheel spacers
> > > on the
> > > > group... and I listed plenty of reasons why. What I wrote
> > > about "street"
> > > > Jeeps was only written to make a point about the difference in
> > > stresses
> > > > placed on the wheel spacers when on the road vs off the road... I
> > > hope my
> > > > previous posts made it pretty clear that wheel spacers are bad ON
> > > or Off the
> > > > road.
> > > >
> > > > By the way, just curious... with all the people who said that wheel
> > > spacers
> > > > were great, cool, no problems... use em all you want, why did you
> > > choose to
> > > > make an issue of my "street" comment? Maybe I need to stop posting
> > > for a
> > > > while... <grin>
> > > >
> > > > Take care Mike.
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: neder13 [mailto:Mike@A...]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:36 AM
> > > > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Wheel spacers????
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I was refering to your comment that wheel spacers were only
> > > > > for "Street Jeeps"...
> > > > >
> > > > > - Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "JW" <joew@a...> wrote:
> > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think you are confused... I am against wheel spacers, not for
> > > > > them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joe West
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: neder13 [mailto:azvjc@a...]
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 9:07 AM
> > > > > > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Wheel spacers????
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Things like this make me take an exact opposite opinion than
> > > > > JW's. I
> > > > > > > hope that he doesn't drive that thing on the STREET, where I
> > > > > might be
> > > > > > > driving down the same road with my FAMILY.
> > > > >
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37007 From: Blake Shepherd <shepherdblake@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 4:13pm
Subject: RE: Re: New Sahara

I bought a yellow 2001 4banger at Bill Luke for
15,500. Has no radio, rear seat or rear carpet. Oh
yeah it had extremely small tires!

Blake
80CJ5
01 TJ
--- Larry Farquhar <lfar@h...> wrote:
> Around $15K for bare bones up to around $25K fully
> loaded. (prices are
> estimates) Make sure you really want the Sahara
> package. I didn't want some
> of the frills or want to pay for most of the
> "extras" the Sahara has. I
> configured a Sport the way I wanted. Besides, you
> couldn't get a Sahara in
> YELLOW!
>
> Larry Farquhar
> '01 TJ - "Wyle E" (lurking member of the banana
> bunch)
> www.azjeeper.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Holmes
> [mailto:flamable_liquid@h...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:43 PM
> To: joew@a...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
>
>
> so how much does it cost to get it in 4WD
> stripped/loaded
>
>
> >From: "JW" <joew@a...>
> >Reply-To: <joew@a...>
> >To: "'Robert Holmes'"
> <flamable_liquid@h...>,
> ><az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> >Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:39:52 -0700
> >
> >With the 4 cylinder motor... about 28 mph on the
> highway. 18mph on the
> >highway with 33" tires, 9mph on the highway with
> 35" tires and with 36" and
> >larger tires, it just sits there and breaks axles
> when you let out the
> >clutch.
> ><grin>
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Robert Holmes
> [mailto:flamable_liquid@h...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:37 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> > >
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity what does a new TJ run??
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Larry Farquhar" <lfar@h...>
> > > >To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > >Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> > > >Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:26:14 -0700
> > > >
> > > >Pitre Jeep in Scottsdale will automatically do
> $200 over
> > > invoice. Just say
> > > >you saw them on the Internet, which you can
> also get your price from
> > > >(sorry,
> > > >don't remember the URL). They will want an
> email address to
> > > record you as
> > > >an
> > > >Internet buyer. This also applies to Jeeps off
> the lot. I
> > > had a good buying
> > > >experience from them, but never have needed to
> use their service
> > > >department.
> > > >
> > > >Larry Farquhar
> > > >2001 TJ - "Wyle E"
> > > >www.azjeeper.com
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Scott Kruize
> [mailto:scottkruize@e...]
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:57 AM
> > > >To: paparoach85251; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >David,
> > > >
> > > >If you pay more than $200 over invoice for a
> custom ordered
> > > TJ you are
> > > >crazy! Keep looking. There is 3% padded into
> the invoice
> > > price of all Jeeps
> > > >which is to allow the dealer to finance the
> cost of the Jeep
> > > while it sits
> > > >on the lot waiting to be sold. If you order a
> Jeep that 3%
> > > is all profit to
> > > >the dealer since he never has to try and sell
> it.
> > > >
> > > >Do your homework and you'll get a sweet deal. I
> paid $200
> > > over invoice on
> > > >mine. I walked in the door, told them what I
> wanted and how
> > > much I was
> > > >willing to pay. I had all the invoice prices in
> my coat
> > > pocket from varius
> > > >internet sites. If they give you any grief just
> venture over
> > > to another
> > > >dealer. Some dealers were willing to go as low
> as $100 over
> > > invoice. Shop
> > > >around.
> > > >
> > > >Where you might get screwed is if you go to
> trade. You can
> > > always sell it
> > > >on
> > > >your own. But keep in mind that if you do trade
> that amount
> > > is subtracted
> > > >from the purchase price when they go to figure
> out how much
> > > sales tax to
> > > >charge which can amount to alot. Sometimes the
> extra money
> > > saved in sales
> > > >tax isn't worth the trouble of selling it on
> your own. This
> > > works best with
> > > >a trade in with a higher value.
> > > >
> > > >Scott K
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: paparoach85251
> [mailto:lespaparoach@m...]
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:39 AM
> > > >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >David-
> > > >If you are going to buy new and aren't in a
> hurry then special order
> > > >exactly what you want. You pick every option
> you want and have them
> > > >build a TJ to order, but it takes about 6-8
> weeks. You can choose
> > > >which axle, gears, radio, etc. I wish I had
> known this when I got
> > > >mine. You can probably find a dealer with an
> internet or fleet sales
> > > >dept that will order for you and only charge
> you about 400 to 500
> > > >over dealer invoice.
> > > >Let me know if you need any help getting a deal
> as I have a few
> > > >connections in the car biz.
> > > >
> > > >Les
> > > >
> > > >--- In az_vjc@y..., "David R. W. Withers"
> <dr_ww@h...> wrote:
> > > > > So I think my wife is going to get a TJ. So
> I go the
> > > jeep site and
> > > > > price out a Sahara. Several issues
> > > > > 1. Soft top on a Sahara? since when
> > > > > 2. 3.07 axle ratio only with an automatic
> and D44? again since
> > > >when?
> > > > > 3. D44 is an option???? why
> > > > >
> > > > > David R. W. Withers
> > > > > Desk: 480.551.4667
> > > > > Mobile: 480.215.6992
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37008 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 4:27pm
Subject: RE: Re: New Sahara

I ended up with a Sahara, but hey, I bought mine with 10K miles on it so
what can I say?

One thing that is nice in the Sahara are the seats. I think Scott K. will
even admit that when we were checking out seats on the Moab trip, he was
somewhat impressed with the comfort factor compared to a regular TJ seat.
Other than that, much of the Sahara "stuff" came off (side steps, rock panel
molding, etc.) after I got it off-road.

Later........Stu

Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Farquhar [mailto:lfar@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 5:10 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara

Around $15K for bare bones up to around $25K fully loaded. (prices are
estimates) Make sure you really want the Sahara package. I didn't want some
of the frills or want to pay for most of the "extras" the Sahara has. I
configured a Sport the way I wanted. Besides, you couldn't get a Sahara in
YELLOW!

Larry Farquhar
'01 TJ - "Wyle E" (lurking member of the banana bunch)
www.azjeeper.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Holmes [mailto:flamable_liquid@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:43 PM
To: joew@a...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara

so how much does it cost to get it in 4WD stripped/loaded

>From: "JW" <joew@a...>
>Reply-To: <joew@a...>
>To: "'Robert Holmes'" <flamable_liquid@h...>,
><az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
>Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:39:52 -0700
>
>With the 4 cylinder motor... about 28 mph on the highway. 18mph on the
>highway with 33" tires, 9mph on the highway with 35" tires and with 36" and
>larger tires, it just sits there and breaks axles when you let out the
>clutch.
><grin>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Holmes [mailto:flamable_liquid@h...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:37 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> >
> >
> > Out of curiosity what does a new TJ run??
> >
> >
> > >From: "Larry Farquhar" <lfar@h...>
> > >To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> > >Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:26:14 -0700
> > >
> > >Pitre Jeep in Scottsdale will automatically do $200 over
> > invoice. Just say
> > >you saw them on the Internet, which you can also get your price from
> > >(sorry,
> > >don't remember the URL). They will want an email address to
> > record you as
> > >an
> > >Internet buyer. This also applies to Jeeps off the lot. I
> > had a good buying
> > >experience from them, but never have needed to use their service
> > >department.
> > >
> > >Larry Farquhar
> > >2001 TJ - "Wyle E"
> > >www.azjeeper.com
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@e...]
> > >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:57 AM
> > >To: paparoach85251; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> > >
> > >
> > >David,
> > >
> > >If you pay more than $200 over invoice for a custom ordered
> > TJ you are
> > >crazy! Keep looking. There is 3% padded into the invoice
> > price of all Jeeps
> > >which is to allow the dealer to finance the cost of the Jeep
> > while it sits
> > >on the lot waiting to be sold. If you order a Jeep that 3%
> > is all profit to
> > >the dealer since he never has to try and sell it.
> > >
> > >Do your homework and you'll get a sweet deal. I paid $200
> > over invoice on
> > >mine. I walked in the door, told them what I wanted and how
> > much I was
> > >willing to pay. I had all the invoice prices in my coat
> > pocket from varius
> > >internet sites. If they give you any grief just venture over
> > to another
> > >dealer. Some dealers were willing to go as low as $100 over
> > invoice. Shop
> > >around.
> > >
> > >Where you might get screwed is if you go to trade. You can
> > always sell it
> > >on
> > >your own. But keep in mind that if you do trade that amount
> > is subtracted
> > >from the purchase price when they go to figure out how much
> > sales tax to
> > >charge which can amount to alot. Sometimes the extra money
> > saved in sales
> > >tax isn't worth the trouble of selling it on your own. This
> > works best with
> > >a trade in with a higher value.
> > >
> > >Scott K
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: paparoach85251 [mailto:lespaparoach@m...]
> > >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:39 AM
> > >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >David-
> > >If you are going to buy new and aren't in a hurry then special order
> > >exactly what you want. You pick every option you want and have them
> > >build a TJ to order, but it takes about 6-8 weeks. You can choose
> > >which axle, gears, radio, etc. I wish I had known this when I got
> > >mine. You can probably find a dealer with an internet or fleet sales
> > >dept that will order for you and only charge you about 400 to 500
> > >over dealer invoice.
> > >Let me know if you need any help getting a deal as I have a few
> > >connections in the car biz.
> > >
> > >Les
> > >
> > >--- In az_vjc@y..., "David R. W. Withers" <dr_ww@h...> wrote:
> > > > So I think my wife is going to get a TJ. So I go the
> > jeep site and
> > > > price out a Sahara. Several issues
> > > > 1. Soft top on a Sahara? since when
> > > > 2. 3.07 axle ratio only with an automatic and D44? again since
> > >when?
> > > > 3. D44 is an option???? why
> > > >
> > > > David R. W. Withers
> > > > Desk: 480.551.4667
> > > > Mobile: 480.215.6992
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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37009 From: jaylalib <jaylalib@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 4:37pm
Subject: Bumper memory lapse

Okay, I was surfing the web when I cam across these cool bumbers.
They looked similar to the ARB bumper. But they had lights built into
the bumper itself. The one they had pictures of was red.

Anyone come across this, if so can you tell me the name? j

Thanks,

Jason

37010 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 5:03pm
Subject: Re: New Sahara

You too?
I bought my Sahara with 15,000 miles on it. I still have the rocker
molding though. The seats are much more comfortable than stock TJ
seats. Also, the altenator, from what I read somewhere, is a higher
output model & the gas tank is the optional 19 gallon (ha, ha).

--James

--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> I ended up with a Sahara, but hey, I bought mine with 10K miles on
it so
> what can I say?
>
> One thing that is nice in the Sahara are the seats. I think Scott
K. will
> even admit that when we were checking out seats on the Moab trip,
he was
> somewhat impressed with the comfort factor compared to a regular
TJ seat.
> Other than that, much of the Sahara "stuff" came off (side steps,
rock panel
> molding, etc.) after I got it off-road.
>
> Later........Stu
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Farquhar [mailto:lfar@h...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 5:10 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
>
>
> Around $15K for bare bones up to around $25K fully loaded. (prices
are
> estimates) Make sure you really want the Sahara package. I didn't
want some
> of the frills or want to pay for most of the "extras" the Sahara
has. I
> configured a Sport the way I wanted. Besides, you couldn't get a
Sahara in
> YELLOW!
>
> Larry Farquhar
> '01 TJ - "Wyle E" (lurking member of the banana bunch)
> www.azjeeper.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Holmes [mailto:flamable_liquid@h...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:43 PM
> To: joew@a...; az_vjc@y...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
>
>
> so how much does it cost to get it in 4WD stripped/loaded
>
>
> >From: "JW" <joew@a...>
> >Reply-To: <joew@a...>
> >To: "'Robert Holmes'" <flamable_liquid@h...>,
> ><az_vjc@y...>
> >Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> >Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:39:52 -0700
> >
> >With the 4 cylinder motor... about 28 mph on the highway. 18mph
on the
> >highway with 33" tires, 9mph on the highway with 35" tires and
with 36" and
> >larger tires, it just sits there and breaks axles when you let out
the
> >clutch.
> ><grin>
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Robert Holmes [mailto:flamable_liquid@h...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:37 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> > >
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity what does a new TJ run??
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Larry Farquhar" <lfar@h...>
> > > >To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > > >Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> > > >Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:26:14 -0700
> > > >
> > > >Pitre Jeep in Scottsdale will automatically do $200 over
> > > invoice. Just say
> > > >you saw them on the Internet, which you can also get your
price from
> > > >(sorry,
> > > >don't remember the URL). They will want an email address to
> > > record you as
> > > >an
> > > >Internet buyer. This also applies to Jeeps off the lot. I
> > > had a good buying
> > > >experience from them, but never have needed to use their
service
> > > >department.
> > > >
> > > >Larry Farquhar
> > > >2001 TJ - "Wyle E"
> > > >www.azjeeper.com
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@e...]
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:57 AM
> > > >To: paparoach85251; az_vjc@y...
> > > >Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >David,
> > > >
> > > >If you pay more than $200 over invoice for a custom ordered
> > > TJ you are
> > > >crazy! Keep looking. There is 3% padded into the invoice
> > > price of all Jeeps
> > > >which is to allow the dealer to finance the cost of the Jeep
> > > while it sits
> > > >on the lot waiting to be sold. If you order a Jeep that 3%
> > > is all profit to
> > > >the dealer since he never has to try and sell it.
> > > >
> > > >Do your homework and you'll get a sweet deal. I paid $200
> > > over invoice on
> > > >mine. I walked in the door, told them what I wanted and how
> > > much I was
> > > >willing to pay. I had all the invoice prices in my coat
> > > pocket from varius
> > > >internet sites. If they give you any grief just venture over
> > > to another
> > > >dealer. Some dealers were willing to go as low as $100 over
> > > invoice. Shop
> > > >around.
> > > >
> > > >Where you might get screwed is if you go to trade. You can
> > > always sell it
> > > >on
> > > >your own. But keep in mind that if you do trade that amount
> > > is subtracted
> > > >from the purchase price when they go to figure out how much
> > > sales tax to
> > > >charge which can amount to alot. Sometimes the extra money
> > > saved in sales
> > > >tax isn't worth the trouble of selling it on your own. This
> > > works best with
> > > >a trade in with a higher value.
> > > >
> > > >Scott K
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: paparoach85251 [mailto:lespaparoach@m...]
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:39 AM
> > > >To: az_vjc@y...
> > > >Subject: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >David-
> > > >If you are going to buy new and aren't in a hurry then special
order
> > > >exactly what you want. You pick every option you want and have
them
> > > >build a TJ to order, but it takes about 6-8 weeks. You can
choose
> > > >which axle, gears, radio, etc. I wish I had known this when I
got
> > > >mine. You can probably find a dealer with an internet or fleet
sales
> > > >dept that will order for you and only charge you about 400 to
500
> > > >over dealer invoice.
> > > >Let me know if you need any help getting a deal as I have a few
> > > >connections in the car biz.
> > > >
> > > >Les
> > > >
> > > >--- In az_vjc@y..., "David R. W. Withers" <dr_ww@h...> wrote:
> > > > > So I think my wife is going to get a TJ. So I go the
> > > jeep site and
> > > > > price out a Sahara. Several issues
> > > > > 1. Soft top on a Sahara? since when
> > > > > 2. 3.07 axle ratio only with an automatic and D44? again
since
> > > >when?
> > > > > 3. D44 is an option???? why
> > > > >
> > > > > David R. W. Withers
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37011 From: hiett710 <hiett710@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 5:05pm
Subject: Re: New Sahara

I just bought a 2002 Sport 6cyl, Air, tilt, cruise, CDplayer,
soundbar, hide a trunk, 275 75r 15's, Dana 44 rear, Soft top with
tinted windows and hard doors for $20,000 and a trade in of $2900.

Mike Hiett
2002 Yellow TJ
Coil Spring are better.

--- In az_vjc@y..., "Robert Holmes" <flamable_liquid@h...> wrote:
> Out of curiosity what does a new TJ run??
>
>
> >From: "Larry Farquhar" <lfar@h...>
> >To: <az_vjc@y...>
> >Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> >Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:26:14 -0700
> >
> >Pitre Jeep in Scottsdale will automatically do $200 over invoice.
Just say
> >you saw them on the Internet, which you can also get your price
from
> >(sorry,
> >don't remember the URL). They will want an email address to record
you as
> >an
> >Internet buyer. This also applies to Jeeps off the lot. I had a
good buying
> >experience from them, but never have needed to use their service
> >department.
> >
> >Larry Farquhar
> >2001 TJ - "Wyle E"
> >www.azjeeper.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@e...]
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:57 AM
> >To: paparoach85251; az_vjc@y...
> >Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> >
> >
> >David,
> >
> >If you pay more than $200 over invoice for a custom ordered TJ you
are
> >crazy! Keep looking. There is 3% padded into the invoice price of
all Jeeps
> >which is to allow the dealer to finance the cost of the Jeep while
it sits
> >on the lot waiting to be sold. If you order a Jeep that 3% is all
profit to
> >the dealer since he never has to try and sell it.
> >
> >Do your homework and you'll get a sweet deal. I paid $200 over
invoice on
> >mine. I walked in the door, told them what I wanted and how much I
was
> >willing to pay. I had all the invoice prices in my coat pocket
from varius
> >internet sites. If they give you any grief just venture over to
another
> >dealer. Some dealers were willing to go as low as $100 over
invoice. Shop
> >around.
> >
> >Where you might get screwed is if you go to trade. You can always
sell it
> >on
> >your own. But keep in mind that if you do trade that amount is
subtracted
> >from the purchase price when they go to figure out how much sales
tax to
> >charge which can amount to alot. Sometimes the extra money saved
in sales
> >tax isn't worth the trouble of selling it on your own. This works
best with
> >a trade in with a higher value.
> >
> >Scott K
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: paparoach85251 [mailto:lespaparoach@m...]
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:39 AM
> >To: az_vjc@y...
> >Subject: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara
> >
> >
> >
> >David-
> >If you are going to buy new and aren't in a hurry then special
order
> >exactly what you want. You pick every option you want and have them
> >build a TJ to order, but it takes about 6-8 weeks. You can choose
> >which axle, gears, radio, etc. I wish I had known this when I got
> >mine. You can probably find a dealer with an internet or fleet
sales
> >dept that will order for you and only charge you about 400 to 500
> >over dealer invoice.
> >Let me know if you need any help getting a deal as I have a few
> >connections in the car biz.
> >
> >Les
> >
> >--- In az_vjc@y..., "David R. W. Withers" <dr_ww@h...> wrote:
> > > So I think my wife is going to get a TJ. So I go the jeep site
and
> > > price out a Sahara. Several issues
> > > 1. Soft top on a Sahara? since when
> > > 2. 3.07 axle ratio only with an automatic and D44? again since
> >when?
> > > 3. D44 is an option???? why
> > >
> > > David R. W. Withers
> > > Desk: 480.551.4667
> > > Mobile: 480.215.6992
> >
> >
> >
> >
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37012 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 5:05pm
Subject: Re: New Sahara

And your point is?..... Never mind ;)

--- In az_vjc@y..., "Larry Farquhar" <lfar@h...> wrote:
> ---snip----
> Besides, you couldn't get a Sahara in
> YELLOW!
>
> Larry Farquhar
> '01 TJ - "Wyle E" (lurking member of the banana bunch)
> www.azjeeper.com

37013 From: Keith D. Orr <korr@z...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 5:10pm
Subject: Death Wobble!!

I hope some one can help me out with this problem. I am running an 87 XJ with the 4.0 F/I. It has a 7 inch lift and BFG KO's = 32 x 11.50. I have never had any problem with death wobble for the entire 5 years that I have owned it. Just before the Jeep Jamboree, I put on a set of BFG-KO's = 32 x 11.50. At the same time I put a complete set of new Rancho 5000 shocks on, as well as a new steering stabilizer. The next day I jacked the XJ up and put it on jackstands, so I could do a complete lube, oil, and maintenance look over. Everything checked out OK. But, after I put the tires back on and lowered it back down for a test drive I noticed a definite death wobble. I have had three separate wheel alignments done at different shops, just to make sure it wasn't the alignment creating the problem. I have never had any problem with death wobble until this time. Everything is the same as before except for the new tires and new shocks and stabilizer. What is really strange, is that when I am making a left turn while driving on the highway, the jeep steering is completely smooth. But when making a right turn driving down the highway, there is a bad death wobble and noise that sounds very bad. Driving straight on the highway, you can still hear the noise, and the death wobble eases up a bit but is still there.
I have had everything inspected, plus I did my own inspection, and we could not find anything wrong. I am running the original pitman arm. Some have told me that that could possibly be the problem, and that I should get a drop down pitman arm. But if that is the case, why did it not have death wobble before. I am running Rusty's adjustable trac bar, and I have inspected the tie rod end. It appears to be in good shape, although it is hard to move and that there is a groove worn in the ball. I have been pulling my hair out trying to get to the bottom of this problem and I am tired of spending money without making any progress. Is there a way that one can adjust the trac bar and get it center with out taking it to a garage? I am at a dead end for what to do next. If anyone can help me with this problem, I would appreciate it very much.
Sorry for being so long winded, but I wanted to give you as much detail of the problem that I could. Thank you,

Casper

37014 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 5:19pm
Subject: RE: Re: New Sahara

David,

Definitly go with a Sport if you are going to build the Jeep up. Don't
waste your money on the Sahara like I did.
Scott Kruize is right; you end up throwing most of the Sahara crap out
anyway; why pay for it in the first place.

Get a sport in the color you want, and I'd recommend the following options:

Dual tops or soft top only, DO NOT get just a hardtop.
Dana 44 rear axle.
Air Conditioning.
Cruise Control (I know, I know... but I REALLY like it on longer drives).

Joe West

37015 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 5:25pm
Subject: Re: Re: Another positive experience; 4 Wheeler's Supply comes through!!!

I've been doing business with 4Wheelers Supply for years. I am happy you all
are having good experiences with them. They are a great crowd, I even hang
out with some of them once in a while when I go 'wheeling. Brian is busy
running his company, and although I'm sure he would bend over backwards to
help each and every one of you, Barry and Billy are a little more
accessible, and they are who I always go through. Guaranteed if you build up
a good rapport with them, they will go the extra distance for you.
I've heard members of this group complain about certain counter and service
people before, but I've dealt with or talked to all the staff at 4 Wheeler's
and I can say that I believe Brian has done an exceptional job of assembling
a good team with a "family" feel to it. Fantastic service at a fair price.

Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: "dionbozman" <amstaff@e...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:45 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Another positive experience; 4 Wheeler's Supply comes
through!!!

> I echo Joe's sentiments exactly. Don't know Brian, but I always deal
> with Barry and he treats me well. That's the reason I'll drive the
> extra distance out of my way to spend my money at 4Wheelers.
> Dion
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "JW" <joew@a...> wrote:
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > Just a quick note to let everybody know that Brian (one of the owners of
4
> > wheeler's supply) and Barry (parts guy) really came through for me.
> > Warn's spindle design for their full floater kit was originally produced
> > with non-hardened spindles. Warn had requested that I take off my old
rear
> > spindles and send them in, and then they would send me new ones.
Obviously,
> > I didn't want my Jeep down for the week it would take Warn to process my
> > return, so Brian at 4 wheeler's supply ordered the parts from Warn, GAVE
me
> > the new parts at no cost and then, when I replaced the spindles this
weekend
> > and gave him the old ones; he sent them back to Warn.
> >
> > A couple of things to note here. First, if you have any problems ever
with
> > 4 wheeler's supply... Ask to see Brian. Never... not once... has Brian
> > failed to do the right thing for me. Second, if you want a parts
counter
> > guy who will go out of his way for you, make sure you see Barry. He's
> > really jumped through some hoops to get stuff for me and to give me the
> > biggest discount that 4 wheeler's can give.
> >
> > Oh yes... this brings up one final point. If you tell 4 Wheeler's
supply
> > that you are a member of the AZVJC they will give you the club discount.
I
> > believe that there has been some confusion on this point, but I just
spoke
> > with Barry and they have the AZVJC listed as an official club and we get
the
> > same discount as all the other "official"? clubs do.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> >
************************************************** **************************
> > ****************************
> > *Some days it just isn't worth the effort to gnaw through the restraints
and
> > clamber up out of the pit.*
> >
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37016 From: mt_b <mt_b@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 5:49pm
Subject: Air Holding Bumpers

A friend of mine is looking for a rear bumper that will hold air.
The only one I know that is manufactured is by Sun Performance.

Does anyone here make, or know of someone that can make one?

and/or

Does anyone know any other manuf. that makes them?

Thanks,
Dan

37017 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 5:41pm
Subject: Holiday Party - Coves Cleanup - SUV Pull

Okay, I got word from the Forest Service that it is okay for us to pull
the burned SUV out from the second cove to the Butcher Jones parking
area. They want a date when we are going to do this. My suggestion is
Dec 29 or 30.

What's needed:

* At least 3 FS 4x4s or vehicles with D60s and lots of low-end torque.
The hardest part is going to be pulling the darn thing up and down the
hills so we need some grunt and maybe a winch or two. I have asked the
Lo-Rangers to help out since we need some heavy vehicles to handle the
hills.

* I am sure the coves are pretty dirty so doing a cleanup on the worst
of the coves would be a good idea too. The 1st and 2nd are the easiest
to get to so they are probably the worst. If anyone wants to head out to
the 3rd and 4th, that's a good idea too. I guess it depends on how many
show up.

* Holiday Party - Well.... How about a picnic lunch and bring enough of
one side dish along to share with 2-3 people.

How does this sound?

Linda

37018 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 5:57pm
Subject: RE: Re: New Sahara

Or you can do what I did....trade the pulled Sahara parts for $$. I
couldn't see throwing the stuff away, that seemed rather silly. The only
"pulled item" left from mine are a pair of OEM steps. Anyone need a pair
cheap? ;)

If you are going to "roll your own", might as well order it with what you
want. ;)

Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 6:20 PM
To: 'Scott Kruize'; 'wishmaaker'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: New Sahara

David,

Definitly go with a Sport if you are going to build the Jeep up. Don't
waste your money on the Sahara like I did.
Scott Kruize is right; you end up throwing most of the Sahara crap out
anyway; why pay for it in the first place.

Get a sport in the color you want, and I'd recommend the following options:

Dual tops or soft top only, DO NOT get just a hardtop.
Dana 44 rear axle.
Air Conditioning.
Cruise Control (I know, I know... but I REALLY like it on longer drives).

Joe West

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37019 From: Larry Farquhar <lfar@h...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 6:03pm
Subject: RE: Air Holding Bumpers

Don't get Joe W started again! :-)

Bulletproof Mfg offers their bumpers as air tanks, with 2 or 3 connection
points.

Larry Farquhar
'01 TJ - "Wyle E"
www.azjeeper.com

-----Original Message-----
From: mt_b [mailto:mt_b@y...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 6:49 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Air Holding Bumpers

A friend of mine is looking for a rear bumper that will hold air.
The only one I know that is manufactured is by Sun Performance.

Does anyone here make, or know of someone that can make one?

and/or

Does anyone know any other manuf. that makes them?

Thanks,
Dan

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37020 From: paparoach85251 <lespaparoach@m...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 1:47pm
Subject: Re: Rick @ Discount Tire

It just so happens that I need to get a new set of rubber for the
wife's grocery getter. Which Discount is Rick at these days? and does
anyone have the phone number there? On a side note, I'm having the
alignment on her car done at Roosevelt tomorrow. I called Flexy Joe
today and he gave me the club discount and squeezed me in to their
busy schedule. I hope that everyone else appreciates that we have
these two guys in our club that go out of their way to help fellow
jeepers.

Les

--- In az_vjc@y..., "juggox" <juggox@y...> wrote:
> What a great experience with Rick at Discount Tire. Both my friend
> and I got a set of BFG KM's from him yesterday. He had the right
> sizes in stock, gave us a great deal on them, and set it up so we
> could get them siped at their Prescott location. All in one
> afternoon. I don't know why anyone would go anywhere else for
> tires. Thanks for the help Rick.
>
> Ben

37021 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 6:17pm
Subject: Re: Holiday Party - Coves Cleanup - SUV Pull

"At least 3 FS 4x4s or vehicles with D60s and lots of low-end torque"

I fit that description and Cove 2 is kind of special to me, so count me in
on the SUV pull and clean up. What I don't have is a winch, but that can be
overcome if we use 2 or more vehicles and do a tandem pull.

When and where are we meeting?

Len

37022 From: Tom Patterson <trpsys@q...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 6:39pm
Subject: Re: Re: Rick @ Discount Tire

"RICK BEER" <RIKNAZ@M...>
Cave Creek & Bell road 602-992-8989

TomP

paparoach85251 wrote:

> It just so happens that I need to get a new set of rubber for the
> wife's grocery getter. Which Discount is Rick at these days? and does
> anyone have the phone number there? On a side note, I'm having the
> alignment on her car done at Roosevelt tomorrow. I called Flexy Joe
> today and he gave me the club discount and squeezed me in to their
> busy schedule. I hope that everyone else appreciates that we have
> these two guys in our club that go out of their way to help fellow
> jeepers.
>
> Les
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "juggox" <juggox@y...> wrote:
> > What a great experience with Rick at Discount Tire. Both my friend
> > and I got a set of BFG KM's from him yesterday. He had the right
> > sizes in stock, gave us a great deal on them, and set it up so we
> > could get them siped at their Prescott location. All in one
> > afternoon. I don't know why anyone would go anywhere else for
> > tires. Thanks for the help Rick.
> >
> > Ben
>
>
>
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37023 From: paparoach85251 <lespaparoach@m...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 6:40pm
Subject: Re: Rick @ Discount Tire

THANKS! I'll call first thing in the morning.

--- In az_vjc@y..., "Tom Patterson" <trpsys@q...> wrote:
> "RICK BEER" <RIKNAZ@M...>
> Cave Creek & Bell road 602-992-8989
>
> TomP
>
> paparoach85251 wrote:
>
> > It just so happens that I need to get a new set of rubber for the
> > wife's grocery getter. Which Discount is Rick at these days? and
does
> > anyone have the phone number there? On a side note, I'm having the
> > alignment on her car done at Roosevelt tomorrow. I called Flexy
Joe
> > today and he gave me the club discount and squeezed me in to their
> > busy schedule. I hope that everyone else appreciates that we have
> > these two guys in our club that go out of their way to help fellow
> > jeepers.
> >
> > Les
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "juggox" <juggox@y...> wrote:
> > > What a great experience with Rick at Discount Tire. Both my
friend
> > > and I got a set of BFG KM's from him yesterday. He had the
right
> > > sizes in stock, gave us a great deal on them, and set it up so
we
> > > could get them siped at their Prescott location. All in one
> > > afternoon. I don't know why anyone would go anywhere else for
> > > tires. Thanks for the help Rick.
> > >
> > > Ben
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

37024 From: Halverson <byrnec@q...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 6:51pm
Subject: Re: Holiday Party - Coves Cleanup - SUV Pull

I'm in. Post the particulars and I'll be there.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "linda luik" <minihummer@w...>
To: "az_vjc" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Nixon, Scott" <scnix1@h...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 6:41 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Holiday Party - Coves Cleanup - SUV Pull

> Okay, I got word from the Forest Service that it is okay for us to pull
> the burned SUV out from the second cove to the Butcher Jones parking
> area. They want a date when we are going to do this. My suggestion is
> Dec 29 or 30.
>
> What's needed:
>
> * At least 3 FS 4x4s or vehicles with D60s and lots of low-end torque.
> The hardest part is going to be pulling the darn thing up and down the
> hills so we need some grunt and maybe a winch or two. I have asked the
> Lo-Rangers to help out since we need some heavy vehicles to handle the
> hills.
>
> * I am sure the coves are pretty dirty so doing a cleanup on the worst
> of the coves would be a good idea too. The 1st and 2nd are the easiest
> to get to so they are probably the worst. If anyone wants to head out to
> the 3rd and 4th, that's a good idea too. I guess it depends on how many
> show up.
>
> * Holiday Party - Well.... How about a picnic lunch and bring enough of
> one side dish along to share with 2-3 people.
>
> How does this sound?
>
> Linda
>
>
>
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>

37025 From: rlpeckii <rlpii@q...>
Date: Wed Dec 12, 2001 6:46pm
Subject: Re: Another positive experience; 4 Wheeler's Supply comes through!!!

I too have been doing business with 4 W/S for several years, they
have
done some work on my CJ and have sold me lots of parts. What I
really
like about them is that they usually have parts for the older
vehicles.
I deal a lot with Cole and he has done a lot to get parts and find
answers to my questions. Most recently I had the opportunity to talk
to Joe, one of the original Jeep Mechanics, and he gave me some
advice
on hooking up my newly installed Power Steering. All in all very
helpful group of folks. I will drive the extra mile to support their
business.

Robert
74 CJ-5 (now with power steering, thank God!)

--- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...> wrote:
> I've been doing business with 4Wheelers Supply for years. I am
happy
you all
> are having good experiences with them. They are a great crowd, I
even hang
> out with some of them once in a while when I go 'wheeling. Brian is
busy
> running his company, and although I'm sure he would bend over
backwards to
> help each and every one of you, Barry and Billy are a little more
> accessible, and they are who I always go through. Guaranteed if you
build up
> a good rapport with them, they will go the extra distance for you.
> I've heard members of this group complain about certain counter and
service
> people before, but I've dealt with or talked to all the staff at 4
Wheeler's
> and I can say that I believe Brian has done an exceptional job of
assembling
> a good team with a "family" feel to it. Fantastic service at a fair
price.
>
> Bill Mish
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dionbozman" <amstaff@e...>
> To: <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:45 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Another positive experience; 4 Wheeler's
Supply comes
> through!!!
>
>
> > I echo Joe's sentiments exactly. Don't know Brian, but I always
deal
> > with Barry and he treats me well. That's the reason I'll drive the
> > extra distance out of my way to spend my money at 4Wheelers.
> > Dion
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "JW" <joew@a...> wrote:
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > >
> > > Just a quick note to let everybody know that Brian (one of the
owners of
> 4
> > > wheeler's supply) and Barry (parts guy) really came through for
me.
> > > Warn's spindle design for their full floater kit was originally
produced
> > > with non-hardened spindles. Warn had requested that I take off
my old
> rear
> > > spindles and send them in, and then they would send me new ones.
> Obviously,
> > > I didn't want my Jeep down for the week it would take Warn to
process my
> > > return, so Brian at 4 wheeler's supply ordered the parts from
Warn, GAVE
> me
> > > the new parts at no cost and then, when I replaced the spindles
this
> weekend
> > > and gave him the old ones; he sent them back to Warn.
> > >
> > > A couple of things to note here. First, if you have any
problems ever
> with
> > > 4 wheeler's supply... Ask to see Brian. Never... not once...
has Brian
> > > failed to do the right thing for me. Second, if you want a
parts
> counter
> > > guy who will go out of his way for you, make sure you see
Barry.
He's
> > > really jumped through some hoops to get stuff for me and to
give
me the
> > > biggest discount that 4 wheeler's can give.
> > >
> > > Oh yes... this brings up one final point. If you tell 4
Wheeler's
> supply
> > > that you are a member of the AZVJC they will give you the club
discount.
> I
> > > believe that there has been some confusion on this point, but I
just
> spoke
> > > with Barry and they have the AZVJC listed as an official club
and we get
> the
> > > same discount as all the other "official"? clubs do.
> > >
> > > Kind Regards,
> > >
> > > Joe West
> > >
> > >
>
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> > > ****************************
> > > *Some days it just isn't worth the effort to gnaw through the
restraints
> and
> > > clamber up out of the pit.*
> > >
>
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