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36851 From: jazsam22 <jazsam22@y...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:28pm
Subject: HOW DO YOU GET TO GILA MONSTER
how do you get to gila monster in buckeye ???? thanks SAM ACUNA
MUD WENCH
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36852 From: mt_b <mt_b@y...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:53pm
Subject: Engine Oil Leak
2000 TJ 2.5L
The top of my valve cover has developed a complete coating of oil and
the dirt it's attracted. There is oil down the passenger side of the
engine that runs down to the bottom of the oil pan.
Could this possibly be a valve cover gasket? I haven't had to go
into the motor for anything as it's only got 18K miles on it.
It's probably under warranty but:
1) I hate the jeep dealers here.
2) They will put up so much of a fight for possible warraanty work
because I actually wheel the jeep (it shows).
3) I'd rather do it myself.
4) I hate the jeep dealers here.
I'm due for an oil change as of this weekend...but it's not low on
oil at all.
Any input?
36853 From: Craig Micek <micekc@e...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 10:23pm
Subject: Re: Good Wire Crimpers
Here is the crimper you want. It is available at Home Depot.
1005 Klein Crimping Tool - Non & Insulated Terminals
for insulated and non-insulated terminals and connectors, accommodates wire from 10 to 22 AWG, wire cutter in nose
http://klein.sgsnet.com/images/previewphotos/1005.jpg
I bought mine about 17 years ago. I like it! I think they understate its abilities also. Mine cuts nails and has crimped 4awg battery terminals.
Craig
----- Original Message -----
From: J & P Visic
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:18 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Good Wire Crimpers
I need to buy a good wire crimping tool to do some rewiring on my CJ-7. Painless Performance Products recommends using one and given my lack of success in the past with pliers I guess they're right. But I've never seen any at Sears or Walmart. Can anyone refer me to a good tool and a place to get it. I'm not even sure what a good crimping tool looks like.
By the way. My Jeep has bumperettes on the back. Is that bad?
John
84 CJ - 7
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36854 From: Dave O <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 0:23am
Subject: Fwd: SEMA Action Network URGENT Federal Legislative Alert - U.S. Senate Bill Would Fund Scrappage Programs Nationwide
If you would like the attachment e-mail me offlist..
There is allot more information in it..
Take care
Dave
Subject: SEMA Action Network URGENT Federal Legislative Alert - U.S. Senate
Bill Would Fund Scrappage Programs Nationwide
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:52:53 -0500
URGENT FEDERAL SCRAPPAGE ALERT
U.S. Senate Bill Would Fund Scrappage Programs Nationwide
A bill (S. 1766) has been introduced in the U.S. Senate containing a
provision (Section 803) that would federally fund state scrappage programs
for vehicles over 15 years old. Owners who turn in vehicles for crushing
would receive a “minimal” payment and a future credit toward purchasing a
newer vehicle, all in a misguided attempt to improve the overall fuel
economy of the country’s vehicle fleet. This bill represents the most
formidable Federal legislative threat to the vehicle hobby in many years.
Oppose the Use of U.S. Taxpayer Dollars for Scrappage
Section 803 of S. 1766 would give states that don’t currently operate
scrappage programs an extra incentive to create a program due to generous
federal funding.
Section 803 of S. 1766 requires that federally funded state scrappage
programs crush every car. It threatens enthusiasts nationwide with the loss
of valuable parts and parts-cars for repair, restoration, and customization
projects.
· Section 803 of S. 1766 does not require states to determine the fuel
efficiency of vehicles being scrapped or that scrapped vehicles are being
replaced by more fuel-efficient vehicles.
· Section 803 of S. 1766 ignores the fact that cars turned in for scrappage
often barely run or are rarely driven second or third vehicles that have a
minimal impact on overall fuel economy.
· Section 803 of S. 1766 will diminish the availability of affordable
transportation and repair parts to low-income drivers as more and more older
cars are crushed.
· Section 803 of S. 1766 does not guarantee that low-income individuals
will be able to afford to purchase new vehicles – let alone more fuel
efficient vehicles – with the money provided by scrappage programs.
· Section 803 of S. 1766 ignores more socially responsible and
cost-effective policy options like voluntary vehicle repair and upgrade
programs that maximize the fuel efficiency of existing vehicles.
Contact Your U.S. Senators to Oppose Section 803 of S. 1766
Protect American vehicle enthusiasts and low-income drivers. To find out who
your U.S. Senators are, call the SEMA Washington, D.C. office at
202-783-6007 or access this information via the Internet at
www.enjoythedrive.com/legislative/contact_legislator.asp. For assistance in
turning this alert into a letter to your Senator, consult the SEMA document
"How to Lobby Elected Officials." This guide is available at
www.enjoythedrive.com/san.
Please fax a copy of your letters to us at 202/783-6024 or mail to:
SEMA Washington Office
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36855 From: imagineero <imagineero@m...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 3:32am
Subject: Re: Running Lights
FWIW,
12V DC halogen lamps are probably one of the best kept secrets around. These are made to be used indoors in houses, there are also some made for outdoors use (that have a glass cover over them). They need to be used with a 12 VDC transformer when used indoors and all up cost maybe upwards of $50 per light when you include the cost of the fixture, transformer, globes etc. What most people don't realise is that you can take the globe and wire it up directly to your jeep (or any other 12V vehicle for that matter). The globes come in a variety of wattages (up to about 50 Watts) and a variety of beam angles from tight 2 degree spots down to around 40 degree wide angle globes. They cost about $1 each. If you are really cheap then you can solder wires onto them directly. If don't mind spending a little money you can buy the proper connector for about 50c. Run 2 globes on a 10A fuse, put a switch inline (i prefer to run the live directly and switch the ground, makes wiring s!
imple and safer) and you've got yourself custom lighting for maybe $1.75 a light. You have to be a little inventive with holders for the globes, remember they get hot. I'm cheap, so I just rap some copper foil around mine and then some electrical tape and then tape them or clamp them wherever I want light. use these anywhere, I put a couple in as reversing lights (with a switch for people who piss me off by tailgating) I also put a couple inside my jeep, the internal light sucks. Makes map reading a lot easier. Another one under the hood. Rigged my whole jeep in lights for under $10. It's been running about 5 months now, no problems.
Shaun
South Korea
>Im thinking about putting some running lights on the front bumper of my
>Jeep. I was wondering what the general opinions were on quality, and
>durability of the different brands and models.
>
>Basicly looking for a set (2) of general running lights
>
>Right now im thinking about getting KC daylighters
>
>~Robert Holmes
>
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36856 From: imagineero <imagineero@m...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 3:47am
Subject: Re: Engine Oil Leak
I wouldn't tool with such a new ride. Enjoy the priveleges of new vehicle ownership while they last.....
>From the tone of your post (forgive me if I'm wrong) I'd assume that you've not been inside an engine before. First you'll need to find the oil leak. This is harder than it sounds. People almost always misdiagnose oil leaks. Be aware that wind can often blow oil *upwards* and backwards from the leak. Get yourself to a hose, degrease the engine (avoid greased bearings and seals in things like pulley's or they'll be destroyed) even in areas not near where you think the leak is. Dry the engine off thoroughly with a rag (don't burn your hands). Now take some talcom powder in a squeeze bottle (like the ones that babies use) and blow it all over the engine. Start the engine and run it until the oil appears (it will be very easy to spot) This may take a few minutes or a few weeks depending on how bad your leak is. If it takes a few weeks, feel free to go about your normal life in the meantime ;-)
Once located, give the engine a quick hose down to get all the powder off. Let's assume it's the valve cover gasket. You have a few choices depending on the gasket type. There are generally 2 main type of gasket, compression types (rubber, copper etc) and expansion types (cork, cardboard etc). You can either buy a new gasket or but some silicone sealant on the old one (and end up with silicone worms in your oil passageways that will destroy your engine and reak havoc with any internal sensors your engine has). If it's a rubber compression type, then you might just try cleaning it thoroughly and putting it back in with the bolts torqued up to the right specs (you *do* have a torque wrench, right?). You don't want to hear that nasty 'pop' sound.
If it's an expansion type and you replace it then don't use silicone. Expansion type gaskets expand when they come into contact with oil and this is the way they seal. Cover them with silicone and the oil will never touch them, they won't expand.
Good luck.....
Shaun
South Korea
>2000 TJ 2.5L
>
>The top of my valve cover has developed a complete coating of oil and
>the dirt it's attracted. There is oil down the passenger side of the
>engine that runs down to the bottom of the oil pan.
>
>Could this possibly be a valve cover gasket? I haven't had to go
>into the motor for anything as it's only got 18K miles on it.
>
>It's probably under warranty but:
>
>1) I hate the jeep dealers here.
>
>2) They will put up so much of a fight for possible warraanty work
>because I actually wheel the jeep (it shows).
>
>3) I'd rather do it myself.
>
>4) I hate the jeep dealers here.
>
>I'm due for an oil change as of this weekend...but it's not low on
>oil at all.
>
>Any input?
36857 From: imagineero <imagineero@m...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 4:06am
Subject: re: Good wire crimpers
Working with video games and simulators (design, construction, repair) I've done my fair share of wiring over the years. In the company I worked at we had a several crimping systems, both for the one off spade type connectors (probably what you'll be using) up to 25 pin micro connectors. Good wire crimping systems (you have to buy the 'system', not just a single tool) can cost several bills, and for the more complex stuff even several thousands of dollars. The tools are the type that sit on a bench and have a lever that operates a press. he handheld ones aren't much chop.
FWIW, I don't think it's good value to buy a tool like this. You can get kits that include a dinky little crimper (As can be seen here http://www.jeesoon.com.tw/pics/j218a.jpg) along with a variety of terminals (most of which you won't be needing) for under $50. These kits come in two varieties; worthless and lame. Save your money. I guess you'll be using mostly femal spade connectors (connect to switches and relays) as well as body earth type terminals and some splicing. You can buy pre-crimped spade connectors in large bundles with short wires attached quite cheaply. This is the way to go. Solder them to wires and cover with heat shrink (not electrical tape). The connectors are well crimped. For earths, get a few earth terminals and crimp them with muti-grips or use a bench vice to really squeeze those suckers. You probably only need 2 or 3. Having the wiring size match the terminal is very important.
For splices, save yourself a world of trouble and buy a small box of crimping splicers. These are generally blue in color, they are simple and brilliant. What happens is you slip the connector over the wire you wnat to splice into, then fit the end of the new wire into the other side. Squeeze and you're done. No cutting, no mucking around, no crimping. These guys cut through the insulation and allow you to join the end of one wire to any point in the middle of another. Great.
You're on your own with the bumperettes issue, but I wouldn't visit any trails in south Korea if I were you. I've been beaten up for less ;-)
Shaun
South Korea
>I need to buy a good wire crimping tool to do some rewiring on my CJ-7. Painless Performance Products recommends using one and given my lack of success in the past with pliers I guess they're right. But I've never seen any at Sears or Walmart. Can anyone refer me to a good tool and a place to get it. I'm not even sure what a good crimping tool looks like.
>
>By the way. My Jeep has bumperettes on the back. Is that bad?
>
>John
>84 CJ - 7
>
>
36858 From: imagineero <imagineero@m...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 4:32am
Subject: the path to suspension enlightenment?
The ride on my stock '92 Ssangyong Korando leaves a *lot* to be desired. It is indeed a bone-jarring experience. Taking a speed bump at anything more than 5mph will remove teeth. What is the path to true suspension enlightenment?
I know a reasonable amount about suspension, I've done a lot of work on motorbike suspension, rebuilt my own shocks etc, but I'm a bit in the dark when it comes to jeep suspension. The problem isn't about damping, there just seemt to be no appreciable suspension travel. The springs are *way* too stiff, or the dampers are locked up (unlikely?) or something is preventing the suspension from moving (my guess). The front is the main culrpit, and having a look at it, it's in bad order. The shackles are twisted and bent, though not severely... I'm guessing the first order of the day is replace them. I got a quote of $40 for the whole front set. The bushes have all returned the their original constituents, I'm thinking to just replace them all (suspension and steering). But what's next? The whole thing seems to be kind of out of alignment. How do I take trouble shooting this further. If I simply take it all apart, replace the shackles and bushes then bolt it back together!
, will everything be where it should? Is there aligning to be done?
I have ridden in other vehicles similar to mine (mostly newer) and they are all a lot smoother, though none of them are great either. I've seen aftermarket springs for sale (all promising great things in terms of ride quality and comfort) for about $300 front and rear. Shock absorbers retail for $300~$500. Do I need to replace these parts? Are the shock absorbers rebuildable? (without the use of an oxy torch and welder). What is going to give the most bang for buck? Naturally I'd like to have a great smooth ride for a handfull of dollars, but If pushed I might outlay a few hundred...... any advice?
Thanks,
Shaun,
South Korea
36859 From: imagineero <imagineero@m...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 4:49am
Subject: Re: tire mileage & protection
Was that serious? How often do people out there rotate anyway? Do people ever reballance their tires (if they're not wobbling)?
Thanks,
Shaun
South Korea
rotate and balance at least every 3000 miles!!!!!
David
Is there anything I can do to get better tire mileage (sarcastic comments also welcome ;-)). My better half is somewhat upset about the price of offroad tires and lengthening the time between purchases reduces my chances of divorce. Heavy loads, hard cornering, strong acceleration and braking are all obvious contenders, but are there any secrets?
36860 From: imagineero <imagineero@m...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 4:52am
Subject: diesel tachometers?
Just an out of the blue thought that popped into my mind;
In petrol engines, the tach is generally driven electronically by the spark signal from the first cylinder...... since diesel engines don't have spark plugs, what drives the tacho? Is it generally mechanical or electrical?
Thanks,
Shaun
South Korea
36861 From: Michael Wixom <certifiedinsp@m...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 6:29am
Subject: Re: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
You obviously can't tell everything from pictures. The younger bros design does indeed attach to the frame rails. There are tie in brackets on both sides of the frame that tie into the bumper and plates on the bottom that tie into the spring hanger bolts, I don't know how you could attach it any better. the cross member is simply a surface to locate against.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
----- Original Message -----
From: DesertJeep
To: 'Michael Wixom' ; joew@avanticorp.com ; 'bermboy2000' ; 'AZVJC'
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 3:08 PM
Subject: RE: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
Mike,
That is a nice bumper however it does not appear from the pictures to be a strong as Bullet proof's. Bullet proof's attach to the frame rails, if I remember right on the top and bottom. Younger Bros' seem to just to rely on the cross member which is semi-reinforces sheet metal. It is also much closer to the body which helps when negotiating steep obstacles. Having said this I could justify paying a bit more for a more "beefier" bumper.
Just a couple of cents worth.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Wixom [mailto:certifiedinsp@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 2:28 PM
To: joew@avanticorp.com; 'bermboy2000'; 'AZVJC'
Subject: Re: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
For an alternative, check out http://www.younger-bros.com/ I bought my bumpers, tire carrier from them and they are at least as good a quality as Bulletproof and some what less expensive. The construction is top notch and they are easier to work with than bullet proof. They added some custom mounting points for me and a winch plate for much less than Bulletproof. (actually bulletproof would not do the custom work)
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
----- Original Message -----
From: JW
To: 'Mike Beach' ; 'bermboy2000' ; 'AZVJC'
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:32 PM
Subject: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
With the Bulletproof bumper and spare tire carrier running only $466 complete with a lifetime warranty and better quality... why in the WORLD would ANYONE pay $495 for the OR setup? I thought that the OR setup was MUCH less than the Bulletproof bumper. If the OR assembly is $250 then it is a good price... if it really is $495, you should consider Bulletproof.
For anyone considering Bulletproof's setup with a lifetime guarantee... let me know; I have their current pricelist.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Beach [mailto:mikebeach2002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:19 PM
To: bermboy2000; AZVJC
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
bermboy2000 wrote:
What is up with this? http://www.o-rfab.com/tirecarrier.htm the price
says $495 I went wheeling this weekend with two guys that had them,
and both said it was about 250. Did they double the price or what??
Thanks,
Scott "Iron" Maiden
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Im getting mine installed tommorow by Mark@ O-R Fab, My total came out to 535.15 with tax. I really like the product and think it is well worth the money. I'll take pics, and post them tommorow
MIKE
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36862 From: Gary Holmes <niitoyis@w...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 6:29am
Subject: Re: Good Wire Crimpers
Fry's Electronics has a great selection of electric/electronic tools also as reasonable prices and you can check out all the computer stuff at the same time.
Gary Holmes
DesertJeep wrote:
Radio shack. But I would take a sample of your product to be crimped so you get the right ones. A good crimping tool will cost you some bucks but you should be able to get by with one from radio shack for a reasonable price. If you prefer the more expensive ones, there are a few electronics parts places. Circuit Specialist is one that comes to mind. I think they are still located in Mesa.www.web-tronics.comhttp://www.web-tronics.com/crimpingtools.htmlJoey K
-----Original Message-----
From: J & P Visic [mailto:jpvisic@netbeam.net]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:18 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Good Wire Crimpers
I need to buy a good wire crimping tool to do some rewiring on my CJ-7. Painless Performance Products recommends using one and given my lack of success in the past with pliers I guess they're right. But I've never seen any at Sears or Walmart. Can anyone refer me to a good tool and a place to get it. I'm not even sure what a good crimping tool looks like. By the way. My Jeep has bumperettes on the back. Is that bad? John84 CJ - 7
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36863 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 6:38am
Subject: Re: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
There are some great bumber/tire carriers out there. Go with what you like. It doesn't matter a rat's *** what anyone else thinks...if it fits you need, go for it.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Wixom
To: DesertJeep
Cc: AZ Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
You obviously can't tell everything from pictures. The younger bros design does indeed attach to the frame rails. There are tie in brackets on both sides of the frame that tie into the bumper and plates on the bottom that tie into the spring hanger bolts, I don't know how you could attach it any better. the cross member is simply a surface to locate against.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
----- Original Message -----
From: DesertJeep
To: 'Michael Wixom' ; joew@avanticorp.com ; 'bermboy2000' ; 'AZVJC'
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 3:08 PM
Subject: RE: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
Mike,
That is a nice bumper however it does not appear from the pictures to be a strong as Bullet proof's. Bullet proof's attach to the frame rails, if I remember right on the top and bottom. Younger Bros' seem to just to rely on the cross member which is semi-reinforces sheet metal. It is also much closer to the body which helps when negotiating steep obstacles. Having said this I could justify paying a bit more for a more "beefier" bumper.
Just a couple of cents worth.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Wixom [mailto:certifiedinsp@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 2:28 PM
To: joew@avanticorp.com; 'bermboy2000'; 'AZVJC'
Subject: Re: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
For an alternative, check out http://www.younger-bros.com/ I bought my bumpers, tire carrier from them and they are at least as good a quality as Bulletproof and some what less expensive. The construction is top notch and they are easier to work with than bullet proof. They added some custom mounting points for me and a winch plate for much less than Bulletproof. (actually bulletproof would not do the custom work)
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
----- Original Message -----
From: JW
To: 'Mike Beach' ; 'bermboy2000' ; 'AZVJC'
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:32 PM
Subject: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
With the Bulletproof bumper and spare tire carrier running only $466 complete with a lifetime warranty and better quality... why in the WORLD would ANYONE pay $495 for the OR setup? I thought that the OR setup was MUCH less than the Bulletproof bumper. If the OR assembly is $250 then it is a good price... if it really is $495, you should consider Bulletproof.
For anyone considering Bulletproof's setup with a lifetime guarantee... let me know; I have their current pricelist.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Beach [mailto:mikebeach2002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:19 PM
To: bermboy2000; AZVJC
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
bermboy2000 wrote:
What is up with this? http://www.o-rfab.com/tirecarrier.htm the price
says $495 I went wheeling this weekend with two guys that had them,
and both said it was about 250. Did they double the price or what??
Thanks,
Scott "Iron" Maiden
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Im getting mine installed tommorow by Mark@ O-R Fab, My total came out to 535.15 with tax. I really like the product and think it is well worth the money. I'll take pics, and post them tommorow
MIKE
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36864 From: mt_b <mt_b@y...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 6:38am
Subject: Re: Build-it-yourself bumpers are WAY less expensive and Infinitely BETTER than anything else!!! was: RE: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
Yes...but do you have no doors and no top by choice, or because they
don't fit! :)
Dan
--- In az_vjc@y..., Tom LaFrance <tlafrance@j...> wrote:
> Joe,
>
> LOL, LOL :-)
>
> No manliness comparisons!
>
> Well, not unless you have no doors, no top, no heat, no a/c AND have
> fabricated your own bumpers. Manual transmission, brakes and
steering
> MAY be required in some cases to compensate for lack of manliness.
>
> Tom
> "Coils make good barstools"
>
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:41:34 -0700 "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...>
writes:
> > Hey!
> >
> > I think that Scott Kruize's used his Jeep offroad twice (maybe).
> > Does this make HIM a real man?
> > <grin>
> >
> > "Coils make good chair supports when old,
> > YJ's you just toss in the garbage"
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> "Those who live by the sword, get shot by those who don't"
36865 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:15am
Subject: Re: I nEED a...
Hey Eric,
Its a safari top you are thinking of, all the shops have them, about
$65, and you will also need a header channel (no Joe, don't go
there!). I got the one that bolts on, I have heard the one that
screws on gets stripped aftera while.
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> wrote:
> MessageSuperJeep lost his cape?
>
> Dang Eric... did YOU get married too?
> <grin>
>
> Joe West
> Newest member of the Married club
>
>
> (Testosterone level too... high... tonight...
> must....stop....writing....stop.....help....must.. .stop...writi....)
>
> Yooohooo... Joyce... here sweetie... I have a present for you....
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:23 PM
> To: aphrodsyak@a...; az_vjc@y...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] I nEED a...
>
>
> What happend to the cape your Jeep had? :)
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/13469558/13467312mGrLqXDyOx
>
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aphrodsyak@a... [mailto:aphrodsyak@a...]
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:45 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] I nEED a...
>
>
> does anyone know of anyone who has a bikini top for a TJ that
goes all
> the wayover the back seat. I believe one brand calls them a sun
downer. If
> anyone has one they are interested in getting rid of please call or
email.
>
> 480-650-3887
>
> ERIC
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36866 From: Tom LaFrance <tlafrance@j...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:19am
Subject: Re: Re: Uniroyal Laredo M/T's??? (ATTN. Rick at Discount)
Jason,
At the Chandler Sam's the 35's were right next to the 33's :-) IIRC they
were not much more expensive than the 33's
Tom LaFrance
>Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:59:07 -0700
>From: "Jason LaLiberty" <jaylalib@h...>
>Subject: Re: Re: Uniroyal Laredo M/T's??? (ATTN. Rick at Discount)
>Does Sam's sell 35" tires?
36867 From: JW <joew@a...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:35am
Subject: BulletProof is still expensive!
Hi Everyone,
Just a quick note to let you know that BulletProof's bumper did NOT drop in
price... the price shown in their latest price list ($466) for the spare
tire carrier DOES NOT include the bumper. The bumper itself is an
additional $256. This was my mistake in looking at their price list...
So... for those of you who are looking at the OR setup; there is your reason
to purchase it. It is MUCH less expensive than the BulletProof setup.
Kind Regards
Joe West
PS. Who started this thread?
<grin>
************************************************** **************************
****************************
*Some days it just isn't worth the effort to gnaw through the restraints and
clamber up out of the pit.*
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****************************
36868 From: kcvehr <kcvehr@n...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:48am
Subject: Re: BulletProof is still expensive!
Well "MUCH less expensive" might be an over statement. OR's bumper
is $250 and the tire carrier is $450 ($495 with jerry can carrier).
I think the biggest difference between the 2 set ups is that OR
mounts the tire carrier to the body with through bolts that attach to
the rollbar, this is supposed to be a much stonger set up than
hanging it off of the bumper. Yes there are other differences like
style,shackles, etc.
KC Vehr
'98 TJ
--- In az_vjc@y..., "JW" <joew@a...> wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Just a quick note to let you know that BulletProof's bumper did NOT
drop in
> price... the price shown in their latest price list ($466) for the
spare
> tire carrier DOES NOT include the bumper. The bumper itself is an
> additional $256. This was my mistake in looking at their price
list...
>
> So... for those of you who are looking at the OR setup; there is
your reason
> to purchase it. It is MUCH less expensive than the BulletProof
setup.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Joe West
>
> PS. Who started this thread?
> <grin>
>
>
************************************************** ********************
******
> ****************************
> *Some days it just isn't worth the effort to gnaw through the
restraints and
> clamber up out of the pit.*
>
************************************************** ********************
******
> ****************************
36869 From: JW <joew@a...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:56am
Subject: RE: Re: BulletProof is still expensive!
Oh... my mistake... I thought that the OR setup $495 included the bumper.
In that case, I guess price is a wash.
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kcvehr [mailto:kcvehr@n...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 8:48 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: BulletProof is still expensive!
>
>
> Well "MUCH less expensive" might be an over statement. OR's bumper
> is $250 and the tire carrier is $450 ($495 with jerry can carrier).
> I think the biggest difference between the 2 set ups is that OR
> mounts the tire carrier to the body with through bolts that attach to
> the rollbar, this is supposed to be a much stonger set up than
> hanging it off of the bumper. Yes there are other differences like
> style,shackles, etc.
>
> KC Vehr
> '98 TJ
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "JW" <joew@a...> wrote:
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > Just a quick note to let you know that BulletProof's bumper did NOT
> drop in
> > price... the price shown in their latest price list ($466) for the
> spare
> > tire carrier DOES NOT include the bumper. The bumper itself is an
> > additional $256. This was my mistake in looking at their price
> list...
> >
> > So... for those of you who are looking at the OR setup; there is
> your reason
> > to purchase it. It is MUCH less expensive than the BulletProof
> setup.
> >
> > Kind Regards
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> > PS. Who started this thread?
> > <grin>
> >
> >
> ************************************************** ********************
> ******
> > ****************************
> > *Some days it just isn't worth the effort to gnaw through the
> restraints and
> > clamber up out of the pit.*
> >
> ************************************************** ********************
> ******
> > ****************************
>
>
>
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36870 From: jaylalib <jaylalib@h...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:56am
Subject: Re: BulletProof is still expensive!
So what you are saying Joe is that nevermind all those emails or "My
Bad" <Grin>
--- In az_vjc@y..., "JW" <joew@a...> wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Just a quick note to let you know that BulletProof's bumper did NOT
drop in
> price... the price shown in their latest price list ($466) for the
spare
> tire carrier DOES NOT include the bumper. The bumper itself is an
> additional $256. This was my mistake in looking at their price
list...
>
> So... for those of you who are looking at the OR setup; there is
your reason
> to purchase it. It is MUCH less expensive than the BulletProof
setup.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Joe West
>
> PS. Who started this thread?
> <grin>
>
>
************************************************** ********************
******
> ****************************
> *Some days it just isn't worth the effort to gnaw through the
restraints and
> clamber up out of the pit.*
>
************************************************** ********************
******
> ****************************
36871 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 8:04am
Subject: Re: Re: BulletProof is still expensive!
Joe was officially eating crow,
Chris K
> From: "jaylalib" <jaylalib@h...>
> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:56:44 -0000
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: BulletProof is still expensive!
>
> So what you are saying Joe is that nevermind all those emails or "My
> Bad" <Grin>
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "JW" <joew@a...> wrote:
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> Just a quick note to let you know that BulletProof's bumper did NOT
> drop in
>> price... the price shown in their latest price list ($466) for the
> spare
>> tire carrier DOES NOT include the bumper. The bumper itself is an
>> additional $256. This was my mistake in looking at their price
> list...
>>
>> So... for those of you who are looking at the OR setup; there is
> your reason
>> to purchase it. It is MUCH less expensive than the BulletProof
> setup.
>>
>> Kind Regards
>>
>> Joe West
>>
>> PS. Who started this thread?
>> <grin>
>>
>>
> ************************************************** ********************
> ******
>> ****************************
>> *Some days it just isn't worth the effort to gnaw through the
> restraints and
>> clamber up out of the pit.*
>>
> ************************************************** ********************
> ******
>> ****************************
>
>
>
>
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36872 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 8:03am
Subject: Howell Injection
I finally have my injection. Anyone have recommendations on install write ups or significant issues with their install.
I can't wait, man am I sick of being 90% up a big A%^ waterfall and being stuck there.
Ross
84 CJ7
36873 From: Robert Holmes <flamable_liquid@h...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 8:09am
Subject: Re: Build-it-yourself bumpers are WAY less expensive and Infinitely BETTER than anything else!!! was: RE: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
Id have to say we are huge fans of building our own bumpers,
And skid plate, axel truss, roll cage, winch mount. Buy a welder.
Take a class. There's nothing more macho than bonding steel.
Ug-ug.
~Rob Holmes
>From: "mt_b" <mt_b@y...>
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: Build-it-yourself bumpers are WAY less expensive and
>Infinitely BETTER than anything else!!! was: RE: [az_vjc] Bulletproof is
>LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
>Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:38:45 -0000
>
>Yes...but do you have no doors and no top by choice, or because they
>don't fit! :)
>
>Dan
>
>--- In az_vjc@y..., Tom LaFrance <tlafrance@j...> wrote:
> > Joe,
> >
> > LOL, LOL :-)
> >
> > No manliness comparisons!
> >
> > Well, not unless you have no doors, no top, no heat, no a/c AND have
> > fabricated your own bumpers. Manual transmission, brakes and
>steering
> > MAY be required in some cases to compensate for lack of manliness.
> >
> > Tom
> > "Coils make good barstools"
> >
> > On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:41:34 -0700 "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...>
>writes:
> > > Hey!
> > >
> > > I think that Scott Kruize's used his Jeep offroad twice (maybe).
> > > Does this make HIM a real man?
> > > <grin>
> > >
> > > "Coils make good chair supports when old,
> > > YJ's you just toss in the garbage"
> > >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > "Those who live by the sword, get shot by those who don't"
>
>
>
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36874 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 8:16am
Subject: [FS] Widetrack AMC 20 axle shafts
Price: $30 for pair
Contact: azcj@yahoo.com, 602-821-0818
These are stock AMC 20 widetrack axle shafts removed from a '84 CJ7 when I installed a locker and 1 piece shafts. They have been stored in a box in the garage since removal and are in good condition.
Thought these were sold but haven't heard from the guy so they are up for sale again at a reduced price.
-Scott Edwards
Scott Edwards
36875 From: Beckham, Michael <Michael.Beckham@b...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 8:14am
Subject: Wheel spacers????
Does any one know about wheel spacers? I know you can get them for toyotas
to extend the wheel base, but can you get them for Jeeps so you can keep
your stock wheels? (I admit I like the little jeep symbol on them)
I will now sit back and wait for the abuse...........:)
-
36851 From: jazsam22 <jazsam22@y...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:28pm
Subject: HOW DO YOU GET TO GILA MONSTER
how do you get to gila monster in buckeye ???? thanks SAM ACUNA
MUD WENCH
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36852 From: mt_b <mt_b@y...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:53pm
Subject: Engine Oil Leak
2000 TJ 2.5L
The top of my valve cover has developed a complete coating of oil and
the dirt it's attracted. There is oil down the passenger side of the
engine that runs down to the bottom of the oil pan.
Could this possibly be a valve cover gasket? I haven't had to go
into the motor for anything as it's only got 18K miles on it.
It's probably under warranty but:
1) I hate the jeep dealers here.
2) They will put up so much of a fight for possible warraanty work
because I actually wheel the jeep (it shows).
3) I'd rather do it myself.
4) I hate the jeep dealers here.
I'm due for an oil change as of this weekend...but it's not low on
oil at all.
Any input?
36853 From: Craig Micek <micekc@e...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 10:23pm
Subject: Re: Good Wire Crimpers
Here is the crimper you want. It is available at Home Depot.
1005 Klein Crimping Tool - Non & Insulated Terminals
for insulated and non-insulated terminals and connectors, accommodates wire from 10 to 22 AWG, wire cutter in nose
http://klein.sgsnet.com/images/previewphotos/1005.jpg
I bought mine about 17 years ago. I like it! I think they understate its abilities also. Mine cuts nails and has crimped 4awg battery terminals.
Craig
----- Original Message -----
From: J & P Visic
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:18 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Good Wire Crimpers
I need to buy a good wire crimping tool to do some rewiring on my CJ-7. Painless Performance Products recommends using one and given my lack of success in the past with pliers I guess they're right. But I've never seen any at Sears or Walmart. Can anyone refer me to a good tool and a place to get it. I'm not even sure what a good crimping tool looks like.
By the way. My Jeep has bumperettes on the back. Is that bad?
John
84 CJ - 7
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36854 From: Dave O <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 0:23am
Subject: Fwd: SEMA Action Network URGENT Federal Legislative Alert - U.S. Senate Bill Would Fund Scrappage Programs Nationwide
If you would like the attachment e-mail me offlist..
There is allot more information in it..
Take care
Dave
Subject: SEMA Action Network URGENT Federal Legislative Alert - U.S. Senate
Bill Would Fund Scrappage Programs Nationwide
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:52:53 -0500
URGENT FEDERAL SCRAPPAGE ALERT
U.S. Senate Bill Would Fund Scrappage Programs Nationwide
A bill (S. 1766) has been introduced in the U.S. Senate containing a
provision (Section 803) that would federally fund state scrappage programs
for vehicles over 15 years old. Owners who turn in vehicles for crushing
would receive a “minimal” payment and a future credit toward purchasing a
newer vehicle, all in a misguided attempt to improve the overall fuel
economy of the country’s vehicle fleet. This bill represents the most
formidable Federal legislative threat to the vehicle hobby in many years.
Oppose the Use of U.S. Taxpayer Dollars for Scrappage
Section 803 of S. 1766 would give states that don’t currently operate
scrappage programs an extra incentive to create a program due to generous
federal funding.
Section 803 of S. 1766 requires that federally funded state scrappage
programs crush every car. It threatens enthusiasts nationwide with the loss
of valuable parts and parts-cars for repair, restoration, and customization
projects.
· Section 803 of S. 1766 does not require states to determine the fuel
efficiency of vehicles being scrapped or that scrapped vehicles are being
replaced by more fuel-efficient vehicles.
· Section 803 of S. 1766 ignores the fact that cars turned in for scrappage
often barely run or are rarely driven second or third vehicles that have a
minimal impact on overall fuel economy.
· Section 803 of S. 1766 will diminish the availability of affordable
transportation and repair parts to low-income drivers as more and more older
cars are crushed.
· Section 803 of S. 1766 does not guarantee that low-income individuals
will be able to afford to purchase new vehicles – let alone more fuel
efficient vehicles – with the money provided by scrappage programs.
· Section 803 of S. 1766 ignores more socially responsible and
cost-effective policy options like voluntary vehicle repair and upgrade
programs that maximize the fuel efficiency of existing vehicles.
Contact Your U.S. Senators to Oppose Section 803 of S. 1766
Protect American vehicle enthusiasts and low-income drivers. To find out who
your U.S. Senators are, call the SEMA Washington, D.C. office at
202-783-6007 or access this information via the Internet at
www.enjoythedrive.com/legislative/contact_legislator.asp. For assistance in
turning this alert into a letter to your Senator, consult the SEMA document
"How to Lobby Elected Officials." This guide is available at
www.enjoythedrive.com/san.
Please fax a copy of your letters to us at 202/783-6024 or mail to:
SEMA Washington Office
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36855 From: imagineero <imagineero@m...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 3:32am
Subject: Re: Running Lights
FWIW,
12V DC halogen lamps are probably one of the best kept secrets around. These are made to be used indoors in houses, there are also some made for outdoors use (that have a glass cover over them). They need to be used with a 12 VDC transformer when used indoors and all up cost maybe upwards of $50 per light when you include the cost of the fixture, transformer, globes etc. What most people don't realise is that you can take the globe and wire it up directly to your jeep (or any other 12V vehicle for that matter). The globes come in a variety of wattages (up to about 50 Watts) and a variety of beam angles from tight 2 degree spots down to around 40 degree wide angle globes. They cost about $1 each. If you are really cheap then you can solder wires onto them directly. If don't mind spending a little money you can buy the proper connector for about 50c. Run 2 globes on a 10A fuse, put a switch inline (i prefer to run the live directly and switch the ground, makes wiring s!
imple and safer) and you've got yourself custom lighting for maybe $1.75 a light. You have to be a little inventive with holders for the globes, remember they get hot. I'm cheap, so I just rap some copper foil around mine and then some electrical tape and then tape them or clamp them wherever I want light. use these anywhere, I put a couple in as reversing lights (with a switch for people who piss me off by tailgating) I also put a couple inside my jeep, the internal light sucks. Makes map reading a lot easier. Another one under the hood. Rigged my whole jeep in lights for under $10. It's been running about 5 months now, no problems.
Shaun
South Korea
>Im thinking about putting some running lights on the front bumper of my
>Jeep. I was wondering what the general opinions were on quality, and
>durability of the different brands and models.
>
>Basicly looking for a set (2) of general running lights
>
>Right now im thinking about getting KC daylighters
>
>~Robert Holmes
>
>
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36856 From: imagineero <imagineero@m...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 3:47am
Subject: Re: Engine Oil Leak
I wouldn't tool with such a new ride. Enjoy the priveleges of new vehicle ownership while they last.....
>From the tone of your post (forgive me if I'm wrong) I'd assume that you've not been inside an engine before. First you'll need to find the oil leak. This is harder than it sounds. People almost always misdiagnose oil leaks. Be aware that wind can often blow oil *upwards* and backwards from the leak. Get yourself to a hose, degrease the engine (avoid greased bearings and seals in things like pulley's or they'll be destroyed) even in areas not near where you think the leak is. Dry the engine off thoroughly with a rag (don't burn your hands). Now take some talcom powder in a squeeze bottle (like the ones that babies use) and blow it all over the engine. Start the engine and run it until the oil appears (it will be very easy to spot) This may take a few minutes or a few weeks depending on how bad your leak is. If it takes a few weeks, feel free to go about your normal life in the meantime ;-)
Once located, give the engine a quick hose down to get all the powder off. Let's assume it's the valve cover gasket. You have a few choices depending on the gasket type. There are generally 2 main type of gasket, compression types (rubber, copper etc) and expansion types (cork, cardboard etc). You can either buy a new gasket or but some silicone sealant on the old one (and end up with silicone worms in your oil passageways that will destroy your engine and reak havoc with any internal sensors your engine has). If it's a rubber compression type, then you might just try cleaning it thoroughly and putting it back in with the bolts torqued up to the right specs (you *do* have a torque wrench, right?). You don't want to hear that nasty 'pop' sound.
If it's an expansion type and you replace it then don't use silicone. Expansion type gaskets expand when they come into contact with oil and this is the way they seal. Cover them with silicone and the oil will never touch them, they won't expand.
Good luck.....
Shaun
South Korea
>2000 TJ 2.5L
>
>The top of my valve cover has developed a complete coating of oil and
>the dirt it's attracted. There is oil down the passenger side of the
>engine that runs down to the bottom of the oil pan.
>
>Could this possibly be a valve cover gasket? I haven't had to go
>into the motor for anything as it's only got 18K miles on it.
>
>It's probably under warranty but:
>
>1) I hate the jeep dealers here.
>
>2) They will put up so much of a fight for possible warraanty work
>because I actually wheel the jeep (it shows).
>
>3) I'd rather do it myself.
>
>4) I hate the jeep dealers here.
>
>I'm due for an oil change as of this weekend...but it's not low on
>oil at all.
>
>Any input?
36857 From: imagineero <imagineero@m...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 4:06am
Subject: re: Good wire crimpers
Working with video games and simulators (design, construction, repair) I've done my fair share of wiring over the years. In the company I worked at we had a several crimping systems, both for the one off spade type connectors (probably what you'll be using) up to 25 pin micro connectors. Good wire crimping systems (you have to buy the 'system', not just a single tool) can cost several bills, and for the more complex stuff even several thousands of dollars. The tools are the type that sit on a bench and have a lever that operates a press. he handheld ones aren't much chop.
FWIW, I don't think it's good value to buy a tool like this. You can get kits that include a dinky little crimper (As can be seen here http://www.jeesoon.com.tw/pics/j218a.jpg) along with a variety of terminals (most of which you won't be needing) for under $50. These kits come in two varieties; worthless and lame. Save your money. I guess you'll be using mostly femal spade connectors (connect to switches and relays) as well as body earth type terminals and some splicing. You can buy pre-crimped spade connectors in large bundles with short wires attached quite cheaply. This is the way to go. Solder them to wires and cover with heat shrink (not electrical tape). The connectors are well crimped. For earths, get a few earth terminals and crimp them with muti-grips or use a bench vice to really squeeze those suckers. You probably only need 2 or 3. Having the wiring size match the terminal is very important.
For splices, save yourself a world of trouble and buy a small box of crimping splicers. These are generally blue in color, they are simple and brilliant. What happens is you slip the connector over the wire you wnat to splice into, then fit the end of the new wire into the other side. Squeeze and you're done. No cutting, no mucking around, no crimping. These guys cut through the insulation and allow you to join the end of one wire to any point in the middle of another. Great.
You're on your own with the bumperettes issue, but I wouldn't visit any trails in south Korea if I were you. I've been beaten up for less ;-)
Shaun
South Korea
>I need to buy a good wire crimping tool to do some rewiring on my CJ-7. Painless Performance Products recommends using one and given my lack of success in the past with pliers I guess they're right. But I've never seen any at Sears or Walmart. Can anyone refer me to a good tool and a place to get it. I'm not even sure what a good crimping tool looks like.
>
>By the way. My Jeep has bumperettes on the back. Is that bad?
>
>John
>84 CJ - 7
>
>
36858 From: imagineero <imagineero@m...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 4:32am
Subject: the path to suspension enlightenment?
The ride on my stock '92 Ssangyong Korando leaves a *lot* to be desired. It is indeed a bone-jarring experience. Taking a speed bump at anything more than 5mph will remove teeth. What is the path to true suspension enlightenment?
I know a reasonable amount about suspension, I've done a lot of work on motorbike suspension, rebuilt my own shocks etc, but I'm a bit in the dark when it comes to jeep suspension. The problem isn't about damping, there just seemt to be no appreciable suspension travel. The springs are *way* too stiff, or the dampers are locked up (unlikely?) or something is preventing the suspension from moving (my guess). The front is the main culrpit, and having a look at it, it's in bad order. The shackles are twisted and bent, though not severely... I'm guessing the first order of the day is replace them. I got a quote of $40 for the whole front set. The bushes have all returned the their original constituents, I'm thinking to just replace them all (suspension and steering). But what's next? The whole thing seems to be kind of out of alignment. How do I take trouble shooting this further. If I simply take it all apart, replace the shackles and bushes then bolt it back together!
, will everything be where it should? Is there aligning to be done?
I have ridden in other vehicles similar to mine (mostly newer) and they are all a lot smoother, though none of them are great either. I've seen aftermarket springs for sale (all promising great things in terms of ride quality and comfort) for about $300 front and rear. Shock absorbers retail for $300~$500. Do I need to replace these parts? Are the shock absorbers rebuildable? (without the use of an oxy torch and welder). What is going to give the most bang for buck? Naturally I'd like to have a great smooth ride for a handfull of dollars, but If pushed I might outlay a few hundred...... any advice?
Thanks,
Shaun,
South Korea
36859 From: imagineero <imagineero@m...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 4:49am
Subject: Re: tire mileage & protection
Was that serious? How often do people out there rotate anyway? Do people ever reballance their tires (if they're not wobbling)?
Thanks,
Shaun
South Korea
rotate and balance at least every 3000 miles!!!!!
David
Is there anything I can do to get better tire mileage (sarcastic comments also welcome ;-)). My better half is somewhat upset about the price of offroad tires and lengthening the time between purchases reduces my chances of divorce. Heavy loads, hard cornering, strong acceleration and braking are all obvious contenders, but are there any secrets?
36860 From: imagineero <imagineero@m...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 4:52am
Subject: diesel tachometers?
Just an out of the blue thought that popped into my mind;
In petrol engines, the tach is generally driven electronically by the spark signal from the first cylinder...... since diesel engines don't have spark plugs, what drives the tacho? Is it generally mechanical or electrical?
Thanks,
Shaun
South Korea
36861 From: Michael Wixom <certifiedinsp@m...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 6:29am
Subject: Re: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
You obviously can't tell everything from pictures. The younger bros design does indeed attach to the frame rails. There are tie in brackets on both sides of the frame that tie into the bumper and plates on the bottom that tie into the spring hanger bolts, I don't know how you could attach it any better. the cross member is simply a surface to locate against.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
----- Original Message -----
From: DesertJeep
To: 'Michael Wixom' ; joew@avanticorp.com ; 'bermboy2000' ; 'AZVJC'
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 3:08 PM
Subject: RE: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
Mike,
That is a nice bumper however it does not appear from the pictures to be a strong as Bullet proof's. Bullet proof's attach to the frame rails, if I remember right on the top and bottom. Younger Bros' seem to just to rely on the cross member which is semi-reinforces sheet metal. It is also much closer to the body which helps when negotiating steep obstacles. Having said this I could justify paying a bit more for a more "beefier" bumper.
Just a couple of cents worth.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Wixom [mailto:certifiedinsp@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 2:28 PM
To: joew@avanticorp.com; 'bermboy2000'; 'AZVJC'
Subject: Re: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
For an alternative, check out http://www.younger-bros.com/ I bought my bumpers, tire carrier from them and they are at least as good a quality as Bulletproof and some what less expensive. The construction is top notch and they are easier to work with than bullet proof. They added some custom mounting points for me and a winch plate for much less than Bulletproof. (actually bulletproof would not do the custom work)
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
----- Original Message -----
From: JW
To: 'Mike Beach' ; 'bermboy2000' ; 'AZVJC'
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:32 PM
Subject: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
With the Bulletproof bumper and spare tire carrier running only $466 complete with a lifetime warranty and better quality... why in the WORLD would ANYONE pay $495 for the OR setup? I thought that the OR setup was MUCH less than the Bulletproof bumper. If the OR assembly is $250 then it is a good price... if it really is $495, you should consider Bulletproof.
For anyone considering Bulletproof's setup with a lifetime guarantee... let me know; I have their current pricelist.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Beach [mailto:mikebeach2002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:19 PM
To: bermboy2000; AZVJC
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
bermboy2000 wrote:
What is up with this? http://www.o-rfab.com/tirecarrier.htm the price
says $495 I went wheeling this weekend with two guys that had them,
and both said it was about 250. Did they double the price or what??
Thanks,
Scott "Iron" Maiden
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Im getting mine installed tommorow by Mark@ O-R Fab, My total came out to 535.15 with tax. I really like the product and think it is well worth the money. I'll take pics, and post them tommorow
MIKE
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36862 From: Gary Holmes <niitoyis@w...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 6:29am
Subject: Re: Good Wire Crimpers
Fry's Electronics has a great selection of electric/electronic tools also as reasonable prices and you can check out all the computer stuff at the same time.
Gary Holmes
DesertJeep wrote:
Radio shack. But I would take a sample of your product to be crimped so you get the right ones. A good crimping tool will cost you some bucks but you should be able to get by with one from radio shack for a reasonable price. If you prefer the more expensive ones, there are a few electronics parts places. Circuit Specialist is one that comes to mind. I think they are still located in Mesa.www.web-tronics.comhttp://www.web-tronics.com/crimpingtools.htmlJoey K
-----Original Message-----
From: J & P Visic [mailto:jpvisic@netbeam.net]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:18 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Good Wire Crimpers
I need to buy a good wire crimping tool to do some rewiring on my CJ-7. Painless Performance Products recommends using one and given my lack of success in the past with pliers I guess they're right. But I've never seen any at Sears or Walmart. Can anyone refer me to a good tool and a place to get it. I'm not even sure what a good crimping tool looks like. By the way. My Jeep has bumperettes on the back. Is that bad? John84 CJ - 7
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36863 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 6:38am
Subject: Re: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
There are some great bumber/tire carriers out there. Go with what you like. It doesn't matter a rat's *** what anyone else thinks...if it fits you need, go for it.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Wixom
To: DesertJeep
Cc: AZ Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
You obviously can't tell everything from pictures. The younger bros design does indeed attach to the frame rails. There are tie in brackets on both sides of the frame that tie into the bumper and plates on the bottom that tie into the spring hanger bolts, I don't know how you could attach it any better. the cross member is simply a surface to locate against.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
----- Original Message -----
From: DesertJeep
To: 'Michael Wixom' ; joew@avanticorp.com ; 'bermboy2000' ; 'AZVJC'
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 3:08 PM
Subject: RE: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
Mike,
That is a nice bumper however it does not appear from the pictures to be a strong as Bullet proof's. Bullet proof's attach to the frame rails, if I remember right on the top and bottom. Younger Bros' seem to just to rely on the cross member which is semi-reinforces sheet metal. It is also much closer to the body which helps when negotiating steep obstacles. Having said this I could justify paying a bit more for a more "beefier" bumper.
Just a couple of cents worth.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Wixom [mailto:certifiedinsp@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 2:28 PM
To: joew@avanticorp.com; 'bermboy2000'; 'AZVJC'
Subject: Re: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
For an alternative, check out http://www.younger-bros.com/ I bought my bumpers, tire carrier from them and they are at least as good a quality as Bulletproof and some what less expensive. The construction is top notch and they are easier to work with than bullet proof. They added some custom mounting points for me and a winch plate for much less than Bulletproof. (actually bulletproof would not do the custom work)
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
----- Original Message -----
From: JW
To: 'Mike Beach' ; 'bermboy2000' ; 'AZVJC'
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:32 PM
Subject: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
With the Bulletproof bumper and spare tire carrier running only $466 complete with a lifetime warranty and better quality... why in the WORLD would ANYONE pay $495 for the OR setup? I thought that the OR setup was MUCH less than the Bulletproof bumper. If the OR assembly is $250 then it is a good price... if it really is $495, you should consider Bulletproof.
For anyone considering Bulletproof's setup with a lifetime guarantee... let me know; I have their current pricelist.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Beach [mailto:mikebeach2002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:19 PM
To: bermboy2000; AZVJC
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
bermboy2000 wrote:
What is up with this? http://www.o-rfab.com/tirecarrier.htm the price
says $495 I went wheeling this weekend with two guys that had them,
and both said it was about 250. Did they double the price or what??
Thanks,
Scott "Iron" Maiden
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Im getting mine installed tommorow by Mark@ O-R Fab, My total came out to 535.15 with tax. I really like the product and think it is well worth the money. I'll take pics, and post them tommorow
MIKE
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36864 From: mt_b <mt_b@y...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 6:38am
Subject: Re: Build-it-yourself bumpers are WAY less expensive and Infinitely BETTER than anything else!!! was: RE: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
Yes...but do you have no doors and no top by choice, or because they
don't fit! :)
Dan
--- In az_vjc@y..., Tom LaFrance <tlafrance@j...> wrote:
> Joe,
>
> LOL, LOL :-)
>
> No manliness comparisons!
>
> Well, not unless you have no doors, no top, no heat, no a/c AND have
> fabricated your own bumpers. Manual transmission, brakes and
steering
> MAY be required in some cases to compensate for lack of manliness.
>
> Tom
> "Coils make good barstools"
>
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:41:34 -0700 "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...>
writes:
> > Hey!
> >
> > I think that Scott Kruize's used his Jeep offroad twice (maybe).
> > Does this make HIM a real man?
> > <grin>
> >
> > "Coils make good chair supports when old,
> > YJ's you just toss in the garbage"
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> "Those who live by the sword, get shot by those who don't"
36865 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:15am
Subject: Re: I nEED a...
Hey Eric,
Its a safari top you are thinking of, all the shops have them, about
$65, and you will also need a header channel (no Joe, don't go
there!). I got the one that bolts on, I have heard the one that
screws on gets stripped aftera while.
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> wrote:
> MessageSuperJeep lost his cape?
>
> Dang Eric... did YOU get married too?
> <grin>
>
> Joe West
> Newest member of the Married club
>
>
> (Testosterone level too... high... tonight...
> must....stop....writing....stop.....help....must.. .stop...writi....)
>
> Yooohooo... Joyce... here sweetie... I have a present for you....
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:23 PM
> To: aphrodsyak@a...; az_vjc@y...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] I nEED a...
>
>
> What happend to the cape your Jeep had? :)
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/13469558/13467312mGrLqXDyOx
>
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aphrodsyak@a... [mailto:aphrodsyak@a...]
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:45 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] I nEED a...
>
>
> does anyone know of anyone who has a bikini top for a TJ that
goes all
> the wayover the back seat. I believe one brand calls them a sun
downer. If
> anyone has one they are interested in getting rid of please call or
email.
>
> 480-650-3887
>
> ERIC
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36866 From: Tom LaFrance <tlafrance@j...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:19am
Subject: Re: Re: Uniroyal Laredo M/T's??? (ATTN. Rick at Discount)
Jason,
At the Chandler Sam's the 35's were right next to the 33's :-) IIRC they
were not much more expensive than the 33's
Tom LaFrance
>Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:59:07 -0700
>From: "Jason LaLiberty" <jaylalib@h...>
>Subject: Re: Re: Uniroyal Laredo M/T's??? (ATTN. Rick at Discount)
>Does Sam's sell 35" tires?
36867 From: JW <joew@a...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:35am
Subject: BulletProof is still expensive!
Hi Everyone,
Just a quick note to let you know that BulletProof's bumper did NOT drop in
price... the price shown in their latest price list ($466) for the spare
tire carrier DOES NOT include the bumper. The bumper itself is an
additional $256. This was my mistake in looking at their price list...
So... for those of you who are looking at the OR setup; there is your reason
to purchase it. It is MUCH less expensive than the BulletProof setup.
Kind Regards
Joe West
PS. Who started this thread?
<grin>
************************************************** **************************
****************************
*Some days it just isn't worth the effort to gnaw through the restraints and
clamber up out of the pit.*
************************************************** **************************
****************************
36868 From: kcvehr <kcvehr@n...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:48am
Subject: Re: BulletProof is still expensive!
Well "MUCH less expensive" might be an over statement. OR's bumper
is $250 and the tire carrier is $450 ($495 with jerry can carrier).
I think the biggest difference between the 2 set ups is that OR
mounts the tire carrier to the body with through bolts that attach to
the rollbar, this is supposed to be a much stonger set up than
hanging it off of the bumper. Yes there are other differences like
style,shackles, etc.
KC Vehr
'98 TJ
--- In az_vjc@y..., "JW" <joew@a...> wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Just a quick note to let you know that BulletProof's bumper did NOT
drop in
> price... the price shown in their latest price list ($466) for the
spare
> tire carrier DOES NOT include the bumper. The bumper itself is an
> additional $256. This was my mistake in looking at their price
list...
>
> So... for those of you who are looking at the OR setup; there is
your reason
> to purchase it. It is MUCH less expensive than the BulletProof
setup.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Joe West
>
> PS. Who started this thread?
> <grin>
>
>
************************************************** ********************
******
> ****************************
> *Some days it just isn't worth the effort to gnaw through the
restraints and
> clamber up out of the pit.*
>
************************************************** ********************
******
> ****************************
36869 From: JW <joew@a...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:56am
Subject: RE: Re: BulletProof is still expensive!
Oh... my mistake... I thought that the OR setup $495 included the bumper.
In that case, I guess price is a wash.
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kcvehr [mailto:kcvehr@n...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 8:48 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: BulletProof is still expensive!
>
>
> Well "MUCH less expensive" might be an over statement. OR's bumper
> is $250 and the tire carrier is $450 ($495 with jerry can carrier).
> I think the biggest difference between the 2 set ups is that OR
> mounts the tire carrier to the body with through bolts that attach to
> the rollbar, this is supposed to be a much stonger set up than
> hanging it off of the bumper. Yes there are other differences like
> style,shackles, etc.
>
> KC Vehr
> '98 TJ
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "JW" <joew@a...> wrote:
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > Just a quick note to let you know that BulletProof's bumper did NOT
> drop in
> > price... the price shown in their latest price list ($466) for the
> spare
> > tire carrier DOES NOT include the bumper. The bumper itself is an
> > additional $256. This was my mistake in looking at their price
> list...
> >
> > So... for those of you who are looking at the OR setup; there is
> your reason
> > to purchase it. It is MUCH less expensive than the BulletProof
> setup.
> >
> > Kind Regards
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> > PS. Who started this thread?
> > <grin>
> >
> >
> ************************************************** ********************
> ******
> > ****************************
> > *Some days it just isn't worth the effort to gnaw through the
> restraints and
> > clamber up out of the pit.*
> >
> ************************************************** ********************
> ******
> > ****************************
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
36870 From: jaylalib <jaylalib@h...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:56am
Subject: Re: BulletProof is still expensive!
So what you are saying Joe is that nevermind all those emails or "My
Bad" <Grin>
--- In az_vjc@y..., "JW" <joew@a...> wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Just a quick note to let you know that BulletProof's bumper did NOT
drop in
> price... the price shown in their latest price list ($466) for the
spare
> tire carrier DOES NOT include the bumper. The bumper itself is an
> additional $256. This was my mistake in looking at their price
list...
>
> So... for those of you who are looking at the OR setup; there is
your reason
> to purchase it. It is MUCH less expensive than the BulletProof
setup.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Joe West
>
> PS. Who started this thread?
> <grin>
>
>
************************************************** ********************
******
> ****************************
> *Some days it just isn't worth the effort to gnaw through the
restraints and
> clamber up out of the pit.*
>
************************************************** ********************
******
> ****************************
36871 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 8:04am
Subject: Re: Re: BulletProof is still expensive!
Joe was officially eating crow,
Chris K
> From: "jaylalib" <jaylalib@h...>
> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:56:44 -0000
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: BulletProof is still expensive!
>
> So what you are saying Joe is that nevermind all those emails or "My
> Bad" <Grin>
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "JW" <joew@a...> wrote:
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> Just a quick note to let you know that BulletProof's bumper did NOT
> drop in
>> price... the price shown in their latest price list ($466) for the
> spare
>> tire carrier DOES NOT include the bumper. The bumper itself is an
>> additional $256. This was my mistake in looking at their price
> list...
>>
>> So... for those of you who are looking at the OR setup; there is
> your reason
>> to purchase it. It is MUCH less expensive than the BulletProof
> setup.
>>
>> Kind Regards
>>
>> Joe West
>>
>> PS. Who started this thread?
>> <grin>
>>
>>
> ************************************************** ********************
> ******
>> ****************************
>> *Some days it just isn't worth the effort to gnaw through the
> restraints and
>> clamber up out of the pit.*
>>
> ************************************************** ********************
> ******
>> ****************************
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
36872 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 8:03am
Subject: Howell Injection
I finally have my injection. Anyone have recommendations on install write ups or significant issues with their install.
I can't wait, man am I sick of being 90% up a big A%^ waterfall and being stuck there.
Ross
84 CJ7
36873 From: Robert Holmes <flamable_liquid@h...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 8:09am
Subject: Re: Build-it-yourself bumpers are WAY less expensive and Infinitely BETTER than anything else!!! was: RE: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
Id have to say we are huge fans of building our own bumpers,
And skid plate, axel truss, roll cage, winch mount. Buy a welder.
Take a class. There's nothing more macho than bonding steel.
Ug-ug.
~Rob Holmes
>From: "mt_b" <mt_b@y...>
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: Build-it-yourself bumpers are WAY less expensive and
>Infinitely BETTER than anything else!!! was: RE: [az_vjc] Bulletproof is
>LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
>Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:38:45 -0000
>
>Yes...but do you have no doors and no top by choice, or because they
>don't fit! :)
>
>Dan
>
>--- In az_vjc@y..., Tom LaFrance <tlafrance@j...> wrote:
> > Joe,
> >
> > LOL, LOL :-)
> >
> > No manliness comparisons!
> >
> > Well, not unless you have no doors, no top, no heat, no a/c AND have
> > fabricated your own bumpers. Manual transmission, brakes and
>steering
> > MAY be required in some cases to compensate for lack of manliness.
> >
> > Tom
> > "Coils make good barstools"
> >
> > On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:41:34 -0700 "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...>
>writes:
> > > Hey!
> > >
> > > I think that Scott Kruize's used his Jeep offroad twice (maybe).
> > > Does this make HIM a real man?
> > > <grin>
> > >
> > > "Coils make good chair supports when old,
> > > YJ's you just toss in the garbage"
> > >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > "Those who live by the sword, get shot by those who don't"
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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36874 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 8:16am
Subject: [FS] Widetrack AMC 20 axle shafts
Price: $30 for pair
Contact: azcj@yahoo.com, 602-821-0818
These are stock AMC 20 widetrack axle shafts removed from a '84 CJ7 when I installed a locker and 1 piece shafts. They have been stored in a box in the garage since removal and are in good condition.
Thought these were sold but haven't heard from the guy so they are up for sale again at a reduced price.
-Scott Edwards
Scott Edwards
36875 From: Beckham, Michael <Michael.Beckham@b...>
Date: Tue Dec 11, 2001 8:14am
Subject: Wheel spacers????
Does any one know about wheel spacers? I know you can get them for toyotas
to extend the wheel base, but can you get them for Jeeps so you can keep
your stock wheels? (I admit I like the little jeep symbol on them)
I will now sit back and wait for the abuse...........:)
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