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36826 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:14pm
Subject: Build-it-yourself bumpers are WAY less expensive and Infinitely BETTER than anything else!!! was: RE: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
Does it count that I welded the vice on top of my expensive bumper?
(and then the weld broke)
<grin>
There is NOTHING... absolutely NOTHING cooler than building it yourself!!!
(this is the truest statement I've made today)
And for those of you who are curious... it's a FACT!!!
Joe
(wishes he had the time and talent to build my own bumpers... of course if I
did, they would look like shi$ and would fall off the first bump I hit (you
know, like the curbs going to the grocery store))
:)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom LaFrance [mailto:tlafrance@j...]
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 5:58 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire
> carrier
>
>
> Why in the WORLD would anybody BUY a spare tire carrier for the
> outrageous sum of $450 bucks when the can BUILD their own with $50.00
> worth of steel from the scrap yard :-)
>
> <Big silly grin>
>
> Tom
>
>
>
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36827 From: jaylalib <jaylalib@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:16pm
Subject: Re: Uniroyal Laredo M/T's??? (ATTN. Rick at Discount)
I think these are sold at discount aren't they? If so Rick, how much
are 35x12.5s??
Thanks,
Jason
--- In az_vjc@y..., Mike & Karen Acuna <macunasprint@e...> wrote:
> See them here.
> http://www.uniroyal.com/prod_la_fr.htm
>
> tom lafrance wrote:
>
> > Uniroyal Laredo M/T's. Sam's Club has 33x12.50x15 for $102.00
each.
> > Nice looking tread pattern too :-) Anyone have any experience
with them
> > yet or are they too new?
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------
> > Nuke em till they glow, then shoot em in the dark
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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36828 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:21pm
Subject: RE: Re: Is the smoke clear?
Joe,
I've had the BP setup for a couple years as we all know. If the price was
the same I'd opt for the ORF bumper and carrier to do it again. I really
like their setup and its plenty stout for the most hardcore of trails.
But, if the BP is cheaper its an easy choice.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@h...]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:11 PM
To: 'bermboy2000'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Is the smoke clear?
Scott,
This is fun... and I'm glad you brought the subject up.
I bet lots of people learned something from this discussion.
Let me summarize the finer points for everyone:
1. OR Bumpers and spare tire carriers are Junk that only idiots purchase.
2. The only true Jeeper owns a TJ with Bulletproof bumpers front and rear.
3. Coil springs rule and leaf springs drool
See how much we've covered in the last 2 dozen posts?
<grin>
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bermboy2000 [mailto:bermboy@h...]
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 7:10 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Is the smoke clear?
>
>
> I am sorry I started all this, I just wanted to know if the price on
> the internet is correct and I guess it is, I was asking for my
> brother as I am the do it yourself for dirt cheap type and that is
> what I plan on doing, but he is not.
> See you on the trail.
> Scott "Iron" Maiden
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> > Lachlan,
> > Waaaaa! Sounds to me you're the whiner. Sure there is a little
> bantering
> > here and there but I found most of the posts useful and
> educational. I
> > did not see anyone "bag on someone's ride" (other then the friendly
> > bashing we do to Joe).
> > Open up man you have been on this board for a while now and should
> be
> > pretty familiar with how we are. Who pissed in your Wheaties or is
> that
> > you are still in the fifth grade?
> > I can and do accept your opinion even it is an incorrect one about
> > today's posts. And I am sorry we ruined your Christmas.
> > Please accept my opinion.
> > Oh and if you don't like it don't read it!
> >
> > Joey K
> > 93YJ
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jeepindog [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 5:59 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Is the smoke clear?
> > >
> > >
> > > Holy ****! This place is starting to resemble the
> > > jeepsunlimited board. What a bunch of whiny punks trying to
> convince
> > > each other that their bumper is better and shinier, more matte,
> > > heavier, looser, and tougher than their fellow club members'. I
> > > thought that we were all just Jeepers who had a common interest,
> and
> > > wanted to help each other out, not bag on someone's ride!
> > >
> > > If you would rather make fun of someone for buying a certain
> > > product, or bash said products, please save it for offline, the
> > > laundramat, bistro, bingo, VFW, or log onto JU. Holy ****, you
> guys
> > > can take the FUN out of Jeeps and Christmas, all in a few posts.
> > > Yup, I am not impressed. 'Course I forgot that we're all still
> in
> > > fifth grade...
> > >
> > > Ok, now is the time for everyone who can't accept an opinion
> > > that differs from their own to flame away. Because my text is
> not
> > > bold enough, italicized, or in the proper font de jour, I fully
> > > expect a fair ration of hatemail.
> > >
> > > Lachlan, member of the Arizona Voracious Jeer Club.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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36829 From: Mike & Karen Acuna <macunasprint@e...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:20pm
Subject: Re: Re: Uniroyal Laredo M/T's??? (ATTN. Rick at Discount)
Sams Club charges $9.00 per tire for lifetime balance, flat repair, and road
hazard.
jaylalib wrote:
> I think these are sold at discount aren't they? If so Rick, how much
> are 35x12.5s??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Mike & Karen Acuna <macunasprint@e...> wrote:
> > See them here.
> > http://www.uniroyal.com/prod_la_fr.htm
> >
> > tom lafrance wrote:
> >
> > > Uniroyal Laredo M/T's. Sam's Club has 33x12.50x15 for $102.00
> each.
> > > Nice looking tread pattern too :-) Anyone have any experience
> with them
> > > yet or are they too new?
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > -------------------------------------------------
> > > Nuke em till they glow, then shoot em in the dark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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36830 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:20pm
Subject: RE: Is the smoke clear?
AriZona Vocal Jeep Critics
<grin>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Holmes [mailto:niitoyis@w...]
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 6:12 PM
> To: jeepindog
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Is the smoke clear?
>
>
> I wondered what AZ_VJC meant ;)
>
> Gary Holmes
>
> jeepindog wrote:
>
> > Holy ****! This place is starting to resemble the
> > jeepsunlimited board. What a bunch of whiny punks trying
> to convince
> > each other that their bumper is better and shinier, more matte,
> > heavier, looser, and tougher than their fellow club members'. I
> > thought that we were all just Jeepers who had a common interest, and
> > wanted to help each other out, not bag on someone's ride!
> >
> > If you would rather make fun of someone for buying a certain
> > product, or bash said products, please save it for offline, the
> > laundramat, bistro, bingo, VFW, or log onto JU. Holy ****, you guys
> > can take the FUN out of Jeeps and Christmas, all in a few posts.
> > Yup, I am not impressed. 'Course I forgot that we're all still in
> > fifth grade...
> >
> > Ok, now is the time for everyone who can't accept an opinion
> > that differs from their own to flame away. Because my text is not
> > bold enough, italicized, or in the proper font de jour, I fully
> > expect a fair ration of hatemail.
> >
> > Lachlan, member of the Arizona Voracious Jeer Club.
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
36831 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:22pm
Subject: RE: I nEED a...
What happend to the cape your Jeep had? :)
http://community.webshots.com/photo/13469558/13467312mGrLqXDyOx
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: aphrodsyak@aol.com [mailto:aphrodsyak@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:45 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] I nEED a...
does anyone know of anyone who has a bikini top for a TJ that goes all the wayover the back seat. I believe one brand calls them a sun downer. If anyone has one they are interested in getting rid of please call or email.
480-650-3887
ERIC
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36832 From: Halverson <byrnec@q...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:29pm
Subject: Re: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
Boy--I changed my ISP, so have been offline the last couple of days, it looks like I caught the tail end of another flamefest when I got back on today. Just another reason that I love this group.
John Halverson
----- Original Message -----
From: sharxjeep@cs.com
To: rv6a@mac.com ; RioShilo@aol.com ; joew@avanticorp.com ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
Even better yet...how about getting to know what people drive by seeing them on the trail instead of them having to list what they have on every E-Mail. Just a thought
Sharky
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36833 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:27pm
Subject: OT: Joe West <Grin>
This guy wakes up one morning to find Joe West sitting in his tree. He looks in the phone book for a gorilla removal service until he finds one. "Is it a boy or girl?" the service guy asks. "Boy," is the man's response. "Oh yeah, I can do it. I'll be right there", says the service guy.
An hour later the service guy shows up with a stick, a Chihuahua, a shotgun, and a pair of handcuffs. He then gives the man some instructions: "Now, I'm going to climb this tree and poke Joe West with the stick until he falls. When he does, the trained Chihuahua will bite Joe West's testicles off. Joe West will then cross his hands to protect himself and allow you to put the handcuffs on him."
The man asks, "What do I do with the shotgun?" The service guy replies, "If I fall out of the tree before Joe West, shoot the Chihuahua."
36834 From: David Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:25pm
Subject: Re: Good Wire Crimpers
go to gray bar there is one in scottsdale they have networking and all type of other tools
----Original Message Follows----
From: "J & P Visic"
To:
Subject: [az_vjc] Good Wire Crimpers
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:18:28 -0700
I need to buy a good wire crimping tool to do some rewiring on my CJ-7. Painless Performance Products recommends using one and given my lack of success in the past with pliers I guess they're right. But I've never seen any at Sears or Walmart. Can anyone refer me to a good tool and a place to get it. I'm not even sure what a good crimping tool looks like.
By the way. My Jeep has bumperettes on the back. Is that bad?
John
84 CJ - 7
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36835 From: brian durham <bdurham@e...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:37pm
Subject: Good Wire Crimpers
grainger supply, graybar electric or others, maybe home depot. Klein crimpers, for insulated wire terminals. They have a teat in the crimp anvil that puts a bulge into the wire that will prevent it from slipping. Do not get the oval style that does not keep the wire stable. The kleins are thick, heavy, and will last for years.
brian
----- Original Message -----
From: J & P Visic
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:18 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Good Wire Crimpers
I need to buy a good wire crimping tool to do some rewiring on my CJ-7. Painless Performance Products recommends using one and given my lack of success in the past with pliers I guess they're right. But I've never seen any at Sears or Walmart. Can anyone refer me to a good tool and a place to get it. I'm not even sure what a good crimping tool looks like.
By the way. My Jeep has bumperettes on the back. Is that bad?
John
84 CJ - 7
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36836 From: nilar708 <squarelights@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:31pm
Subject: does best top make a exact replacement for yj rear windows
i just bought some replacement windows for my stock yj soft top.
these windows are tinted, three rear windows. the desert rat at mesa
said best top dont make em. but i got of the phone with desert rat
in tucson and they said the desert rat in tempe had one in stock, so
i went to tempe and bought it.
i got home all excited to have windows i can see through only to find
out they are too small.
i tried to call desert rat to see what the problem is, however they
closed the phones early, cuz i called at 5:20 and they close at 5:30,
and no one answered. so anyway, this is bugging me, i need to find
out now. tia,
nick l. 93 yj soa.
coils are for hemorrhoid sensitive people.
36837 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:32pm
Subject: RE: Good Wire Crimpers
Radio shack. But I would take a sample of your product to be crimped so you get the right ones. A good crimping tool will cost you some bucks but you should be able to get by with one from radio shack for a reasonable price.
If you prefer the more expensive ones, there are a few electronics parts places. Circuit Specialist is one that comes to mind. I think they are still located in Mesa.
www.web-tronics.com
http://www.web-tronics.com/crimpingtools.html
Joey K
-----Original Message-----
From: J & P Visic [mailto:jpvisic@netbeam.net]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:18 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Good Wire Crimpers
I need to buy a good wire crimping tool to do some rewiring on my CJ-7. Painless Performance Products recommends using one and given my lack of success in the past with pliers I guess they're right. But I've never seen any at Sears or Walmart. Can anyone refer me to a good tool and a place to get it. I'm not even sure what a good crimping tool looks like.
By the way. My Jeep has bumperettes on the back. Is that bad?
John
84 CJ - 7
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36838 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:33pm
Subject: RE: I nEED a...
SuperJeep lost his cape?
Dang Eric... did YOU get married too?
Joe West
Newest member of the Married club
(Testosterone level too... high... tonight... must....stop....writing....stop.....help....must.. .stop...writi....)
Yooohooo... Joyce... here sweetie... I have a present for you....
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:23 PM
To: aphrodsyak@aol.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] I nEED a...
What happend to the cape your Jeep had? :)
http://community.webshots.com/photo/13469558/13467312mGrLqXDyOx
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: aphrodsyak@aol.com [mailto:aphrodsyak@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:45 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] I nEED a...
does anyone know of anyone who has a bikini top for a TJ that goes all the wayover the back seat. I believe one brand calls them a sun downer. If anyone has one they are interested in getting rid of please call or email.
480-650-3887
ERIC
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36839 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:35pm
Subject: OT: Joe West 2 <GRIN>
Joe West goes to the doctor and says, "Doctor I have this problem with gas,
but it really doesn't bother me too much. My farts never smell and are
always silent. As a matter of fact, I've farted at least 20 times since I've
been here in your office. You didn't know I was farting because they don't
smell and are silent."
The doctor says, "I see. Take these pills and come back to see me next
week."
The next week Joe West comes back. "Doctor," he says, "I don't know what the
hell you gave me, but now my farts... although still silent... stink
terribly."
The doctor says, "Good!!! Now that we've cleared up your sinuses, let's work
on your hearing."
36840 From: Tom LaFrance <tlafrance@j...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:37pm
Subject: Re: Build-it-yourself bumpers are WAY less expensive and Infinitely BETTER than anything else!!! was: RE: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
Joe,
Any HACK can cobble something together that only works once ;-)
But it takes a REAL MAN to fabricate something that works TWICE.
<Still grinning>
Tom LaFrance
"Leafs can be re-arched,
Coils you toss in the garbage"
On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:14:42 -0700 "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> writes:
> Does it count that I welded the vice on top of my expensive bumper?
> (and then the weld broke)
> <grin>
>
> There is NOTHING... absolutely NOTHING cooler than building it
> yourself!!!
> (this is the truest statement I've made today)
> And for those of you who are curious... it's a FACT!!!
>
> Joe
> (wishes he had the time and talent to build my own bumpers... of
> course if I
> did, they would look like shi$ and would fall off the first bump I
> hit (you
> know, like the curbs going to the grocery store))
> :)
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36841 From: Rick Norman <4x4xfun1@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:37pm
Subject: Pics from Lower Terminator
This almost seems slightly off-topic after today's posts, but here's my pics
from yesterdays Lower Terminator run. I haven't seen a trip report yet, but
I'm sure FlexyXJ is furiously tapping away at his keyboard at this very
moment. In a minute, he'll be drooling over the pic of him with his left
front wheel a good 4 feet in the air while climbing out of the "Z" turn.
Also, check out Heidi in the white XJ with a wheel in the air. She's a
natural!
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=389665&a=13820659
Enjoy!!
Rick
4x4xFUN
It's an XJ thing...you wouldn't understand
36842 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:41pm
Subject: RE: Build-it-yourself bumpers are WAY less expensive and Infinitely BETTER than anything else!!! was: RE: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
Hey!
I think that Scott Kruize's used his Jeep offroad twice (maybe).
Does this make HIM a real man?
<grin>
"Coils make good chair supports when old,
YJ's you just toss in the garbage"
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom LaFrance [mailto:tlafrance@j...]
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:38 PM
> To: arizonajeep@h...
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Build-it-yourself bumpers are WAY less expensive and
> Infinitely BETTER than anything else!!! was: RE: [az_vjc]
> Bulletproof is
> LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
>
>
> Joe,
>
> Any HACK can cobble something together that only works once ;-)
> But it takes a REAL MAN to fabricate something that works TWICE.
>
> <Still grinning>
>
> Tom LaFrance
> "Leafs can be re-arched,
> Coils you toss in the garbage"
>
>
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:14:42 -0700 "Joe W"
> <arizonajeep@h...> writes:
> > Does it count that I welded the vice on top of my expensive bumper?
> > (and then the weld broke)
> > <grin>
> >
> > There is NOTHING... absolutely NOTHING cooler than building it
> > yourself!!!
> > (this is the truest statement I've made today)
> > And for those of you who are curious... it's a FACT!!!
> >
> > Joe
> > (wishes he had the time and talent to build my own bumpers... of
> > course if I
> > did, they would look like shi$ and would fall off the first bump I
> > hit (you
> > know, like the curbs going to the grocery store))
> > :)
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> "Those who live by the sword, get shot by those who don't"
>
>
>
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36843 From: dthorton_2000 <dt_horton@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:41pm
Subject: Re: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
Hey Joe,
Not to put a target on my forehead but.... why do you think BP has
dropped the price? Any change in materials or construction? Or
just more competition nowdays?
Also was that price for a Bumper & Tire/Jerry Can Carrier or just
the Bumper & Tire Carrier?
I had remove BP from my list because I thought they were
around $800 for a Bumper & Tire/Jerry Can Carrier. I'm about to
get the O-R Fab carrier but might have to give BP a 2nd look.
Thanks,
Dan
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> wrote:
> Hi Scott,
>
> I don't know about you, but sometimes I love being
misunderstood... <grin>
>
> As for the BulletProof price; I ordered the price list today. If
you'd like
> it, I have it in text form.
>
> And last but not least... I think that too many people on this list
are
> getting Butt-Hurt lately. I think we need to plan the first Annual
AZVJC
> Butt-Hurt festival so people can see that we really are nice (but
oft
> opinionated) guys.
>
> Joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@e...]
> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 7:24 PM
> > To: joew@a...; tomasr@a...
> > Cc: 'Mike Beach'; 'bermboy2000'; 'AZVJC'
> > Subject: RE: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE:
[az_vjc] OR Fab
> > Tire carrier
> >
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> > The 2 of us have got to be the most misunderstood
members on
> > this list. It's
> > good to have you back.
> >
> > 2 years ago when we got our Bulletproof setups they were
much
> > more expensive
> > than now. $466, that's unbelievably cheap! I'd buy an ORF
carrier for
> > $250-300 but over $500 seems extreme when you can get a
> > bumper and swingout
> > for less. BTW, where did you see that price?
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: JW [mailto:joew@a...]
> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 3:02 PM
> > To: tomasr@a...
> > Cc: 'Mike Beach'; 'bermboy2000'; 'AZVJC'
> > Subject: RE: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE:
[az_vjc] OR Fab
> > Tire carrier
> >
> >
> > Roger,
> >
> > Now just WHERE did I call imply that he is an idiot?
> >
> >
> > Here's what I said:
> >
> > "With the Bulletproof bumper and spare tire carrier running
only $466
> > complete with a lifetime warranty and better quality... why
> > in the WORLD
> > would ANYONE pay $495 for the OR setup? I thought that the
> > OR setup was
> > MUCH less than the Bulletproof bumper. If the OR assembly
is
> > $250 then it
> > is a good price... if it really is $495, you should consider
> > Bulletproof."
> >
> > Asking why in the WORLD ANYONE would pay that much for
an O-R setup is
> > certainly not an implication of idiotic behavior... but
> > really an emphasized
> > question which I had hoped someone would answer. I don't
> > believe that it
> > was uncalled for at all... Perhaps I shouldn't have
> > emphasized the words
> > WORLD and ANYONE; I'll be more careful next time to
ensure I
> > don't hurt
> > anyone's feelings.
> >
> > As far as my statement of opinion goes... no... I didn't
> > expect you to take
> > my word for it. Even if I proved that the OR unit was
> > structurally less
> > sound (I'm not saying it is) or brought up the fact that they
> > don't have a
> > lifetime guarantee or... it wouldn't matter. My point was
> > simply, why pay
> > more for less (in my opinion)?
> >
> > I'll try to preface all of my statements from here on out
> > with the following
> > sig:
> >
> > "The opinions expressed in this email are not statements of
> > fact but rather,
> > the opinions of the author and are not intended to be taken
> > as statements of
> > fact unless the author uses the word "Fact" in his
statements"
> >
> > Ciao,
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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36844 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:38pm
Subject: Some may hate me for this...
Joe, I kind of remember your bumper. I went and looked at it on their
sight. Seems fine, but, just going off of my experiences with destroying two
kind of stock carriers doing wheelies on waterfalls. Just having a post for
the carrier and no upper support would not survive very long with 38's and
35s will at least weaken it. With your cute little tires it may be just
fine...who knows.
Also, even with trussing into the frame (that has issues also) the flexing
and jarring will crack the frame unless it is stabalized higher up.
Now the EE can disect that for fun.
Ross
CJs rock TJs watch (mostly ;-))
36845 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:48pm
Subject: RE: Build-it-yourself bumpers are WAY less expensive and Infinitely BETTER than anything else!!! was: RE: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
Yep, I have to admit, its been offroad twice.
Coincidentally, both time's I had to use the winch to save Joe's a**!
<Grin>
I'm dropping out of responding to Joe's posts now. I think I've stoked him
up enough for one night.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@h...]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:42 PM
To: 'Tom LaFrance'
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Build-it-yourself bumpers are WAY less expensive and
Infinitely BETTER than anything else!!! was: RE: [az_vjc] Bulletproof is
LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
Hey!
I think that Scott Kruize's used his Jeep offroad twice (maybe).
Does this make HIM a real man?
<grin>
"Coils make good chair supports when old,
YJ's you just toss in the garbage"
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom LaFrance [mailto:tlafrance@j...]
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:38 PM
> To: arizonajeep@h...
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Build-it-yourself bumpers are WAY less expensive and
> Infinitely BETTER than anything else!!! was: RE: [az_vjc]
> Bulletproof is
> LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
>
>
> Joe,
>
> Any HACK can cobble something together that only works once ;-)
> But it takes a REAL MAN to fabricate something that works TWICE.
>
> <Still grinning>
>
> Tom LaFrance
> "Leafs can be re-arched,
> Coils you toss in the garbage"
>
>
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:14:42 -0700 "Joe W"
> <arizonajeep@h...> writes:
> > Does it count that I welded the vice on top of my expensive bumper?
> > (and then the weld broke)
> > <grin>
> >
> > There is NOTHING... absolutely NOTHING cooler than building it
> > yourself!!!
> > (this is the truest statement I've made today)
> > And for those of you who are curious... it's a FACT!!!
> >
> > Joe
> > (wishes he had the time and talent to build my own bumpers... of
> > course if I
> > did, they would look like shi$ and would fall off the first bump I
> > hit (you
> > know, like the curbs going to the grocery store))
> > :)
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> "Those who live by the sword, get shot by those who don't"
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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36846 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:56pm
Subject: Re: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
Just to prove I'm still here.......why would anyone PAY $50.00 for scrap
steel to build a bumper from when they can get scraps for free from Wells
Cargo? My shorty bumper cost less than $20 to build, and all of that was
for the hardware to attach it and a BF drill bit. It's supported/anchored
my truck many....umm, several.......ummm, one or two times.
Len
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom LaFrance <tlafrance@j...>
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, December 10, 2001 5:49 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire
carrier
>Why in the WORLD would anybody BUY a spare tire carrier for the
>outrageous sum of $450 bucks when the can BUILD their own with $50.00
>worth of steel from the scrap yard :-)
>
><Big silly grin>
>
>Tom
36847 From: Jason LaLiberty <jaylalib@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:59pm
Subject: Re: Re: Uniroyal Laredo M/T's??? (ATTN. Rick at Discount)
Does Sam's sell 35" tires?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Karen Acuna" <macunasprint@e...>
To: "jaylalib" <jaylalib@h...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Uniroyal Laredo M/T's??? (ATTN. Rick at Discount)
> Sams Club charges $9.00 per tire for lifetime balance, flat repair, and
road
> hazard.
>
> jaylalib wrote:
>
> > I think these are sold at discount aren't they? If so Rick, how much
> > are 35x12.5s??
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jason
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., Mike & Karen Acuna <macunasprint@e...> wrote:
> > > See them here.
> > > http://www.uniroyal.com/prod_la_fr.htm
> > >
> > > tom lafrance wrote:
> > >
> > > > Uniroyal Laredo M/T's. Sam's Club has 33x12.50x15 for $102.00
> > each.
> > > > Nice looking tread pattern too :-) Anyone have any experience
> > with them
> > > > yet or are they too new?
> > > >
> > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > > -------------------------------------------------
> > > > Nuke em till they glow, then shoot em in the dark
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
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36848 From: Tom LaFrance <tlafrance@j...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:07pm
Subject: Re: Build-it-yourself bumpers are WAY less expensive and Infinitely BETTER than anything else!!! was: RE: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
Joe,
LOL, LOL :-)
No manliness comparisons!
Well, not unless you have no doors, no top, no heat, no a/c AND have
fabricated your own bumpers. Manual transmission, brakes and steering
MAY be required in some cases to compensate for lack of manliness.
Tom
"Coils make good barstools"
On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:41:34 -0700 "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> writes:
> Hey!
>
> I think that Scott Kruize's used his Jeep offroad twice (maybe).
> Does this make HIM a real man?
> <grin>
>
> "Coils make good chair supports when old,
> YJ's you just toss in the garbage"
>
------------------------------------------------------------
"Those who live by the sword, get shot by those who don't"
36849 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:24pm
Subject: [FS] New stock tires & wheels
Price: 200.00
Contact: akamoefo@hotmail.com
Set of 5 stock Tires &; Wheels off TJ - Goodyear Wrangler 215/75/15 on stock 5 spoke wheels
Moe Fo
36850 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:27pm
Subject: [FS] TJ Parts
Price:
Contact: akamoefo@hotmail.com
Factory TJ black side steps 45.00 - Factory Black Hard Top Side View Mirrors (bolt to hard doors)in box 50.00
Moe Fo
36826 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:14pm
Subject: Build-it-yourself bumpers are WAY less expensive and Infinitely BETTER than anything else!!! was: RE: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
Does it count that I welded the vice on top of my expensive bumper?
(and then the weld broke)
<grin>
There is NOTHING... absolutely NOTHING cooler than building it yourself!!!
(this is the truest statement I've made today)
And for those of you who are curious... it's a FACT!!!
Joe
(wishes he had the time and talent to build my own bumpers... of course if I
did, they would look like shi$ and would fall off the first bump I hit (you
know, like the curbs going to the grocery store))
:)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom LaFrance [mailto:tlafrance@j...]
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 5:58 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire
> carrier
>
>
> Why in the WORLD would anybody BUY a spare tire carrier for the
> outrageous sum of $450 bucks when the can BUILD their own with $50.00
> worth of steel from the scrap yard :-)
>
> <Big silly grin>
>
> Tom
>
>
>
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36827 From: jaylalib <jaylalib@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:16pm
Subject: Re: Uniroyal Laredo M/T's??? (ATTN. Rick at Discount)
I think these are sold at discount aren't they? If so Rick, how much
are 35x12.5s??
Thanks,
Jason
--- In az_vjc@y..., Mike & Karen Acuna <macunasprint@e...> wrote:
> See them here.
> http://www.uniroyal.com/prod_la_fr.htm
>
> tom lafrance wrote:
>
> > Uniroyal Laredo M/T's. Sam's Club has 33x12.50x15 for $102.00
each.
> > Nice looking tread pattern too :-) Anyone have any experience
with them
> > yet or are they too new?
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------
> > Nuke em till they glow, then shoot em in the dark
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
36828 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:21pm
Subject: RE: Re: Is the smoke clear?
Joe,
I've had the BP setup for a couple years as we all know. If the price was
the same I'd opt for the ORF bumper and carrier to do it again. I really
like their setup and its plenty stout for the most hardcore of trails.
But, if the BP is cheaper its an easy choice.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@h...]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:11 PM
To: 'bermboy2000'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Is the smoke clear?
Scott,
This is fun... and I'm glad you brought the subject up.
I bet lots of people learned something from this discussion.
Let me summarize the finer points for everyone:
1. OR Bumpers and spare tire carriers are Junk that only idiots purchase.
2. The only true Jeeper owns a TJ with Bulletproof bumpers front and rear.
3. Coil springs rule and leaf springs drool
See how much we've covered in the last 2 dozen posts?
<grin>
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bermboy2000 [mailto:bermboy@h...]
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 7:10 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Is the smoke clear?
>
>
> I am sorry I started all this, I just wanted to know if the price on
> the internet is correct and I guess it is, I was asking for my
> brother as I am the do it yourself for dirt cheap type and that is
> what I plan on doing, but he is not.
> See you on the trail.
> Scott "Iron" Maiden
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> > Lachlan,
> > Waaaaa! Sounds to me you're the whiner. Sure there is a little
> bantering
> > here and there but I found most of the posts useful and
> educational. I
> > did not see anyone "bag on someone's ride" (other then the friendly
> > bashing we do to Joe).
> > Open up man you have been on this board for a while now and should
> be
> > pretty familiar with how we are. Who pissed in your Wheaties or is
> that
> > you are still in the fifth grade?
> > I can and do accept your opinion even it is an incorrect one about
> > today's posts. And I am sorry we ruined your Christmas.
> > Please accept my opinion.
> > Oh and if you don't like it don't read it!
> >
> > Joey K
> > 93YJ
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jeepindog [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 5:59 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Is the smoke clear?
> > >
> > >
> > > Holy ****! This place is starting to resemble the
> > > jeepsunlimited board. What a bunch of whiny punks trying to
> convince
> > > each other that their bumper is better and shinier, more matte,
> > > heavier, looser, and tougher than their fellow club members'. I
> > > thought that we were all just Jeepers who had a common interest,
> and
> > > wanted to help each other out, not bag on someone's ride!
> > >
> > > If you would rather make fun of someone for buying a certain
> > > product, or bash said products, please save it for offline, the
> > > laundramat, bistro, bingo, VFW, or log onto JU. Holy ****, you
> guys
> > > can take the FUN out of Jeeps and Christmas, all in a few posts.
> > > Yup, I am not impressed. 'Course I forgot that we're all still
> in
> > > fifth grade...
> > >
> > > Ok, now is the time for everyone who can't accept an opinion
> > > that differs from their own to flame away. Because my text is
> not
> > > bold enough, italicized, or in the proper font de jour, I fully
> > > expect a fair ration of hatemail.
> > >
> > > Lachlan, member of the Arizona Voracious Jeer Club.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
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36829 From: Mike & Karen Acuna <macunasprint@e...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:20pm
Subject: Re: Re: Uniroyal Laredo M/T's??? (ATTN. Rick at Discount)
Sams Club charges $9.00 per tire for lifetime balance, flat repair, and road
hazard.
jaylalib wrote:
> I think these are sold at discount aren't they? If so Rick, how much
> are 35x12.5s??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Mike & Karen Acuna <macunasprint@e...> wrote:
> > See them here.
> > http://www.uniroyal.com/prod_la_fr.htm
> >
> > tom lafrance wrote:
> >
> > > Uniroyal Laredo M/T's. Sam's Club has 33x12.50x15 for $102.00
> each.
> > > Nice looking tread pattern too :-) Anyone have any experience
> with them
> > > yet or are they too new?
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > -------------------------------------------------
> > > Nuke em till they glow, then shoot em in the dark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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36830 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:20pm
Subject: RE: Is the smoke clear?
AriZona Vocal Jeep Critics
<grin>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Holmes [mailto:niitoyis@w...]
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 6:12 PM
> To: jeepindog
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Is the smoke clear?
>
>
> I wondered what AZ_VJC meant ;)
>
> Gary Holmes
>
> jeepindog wrote:
>
> > Holy ****! This place is starting to resemble the
> > jeepsunlimited board. What a bunch of whiny punks trying
> to convince
> > each other that their bumper is better and shinier, more matte,
> > heavier, looser, and tougher than their fellow club members'. I
> > thought that we were all just Jeepers who had a common interest, and
> > wanted to help each other out, not bag on someone's ride!
> >
> > If you would rather make fun of someone for buying a certain
> > product, or bash said products, please save it for offline, the
> > laundramat, bistro, bingo, VFW, or log onto JU. Holy ****, you guys
> > can take the FUN out of Jeeps and Christmas, all in a few posts.
> > Yup, I am not impressed. 'Course I forgot that we're all still in
> > fifth grade...
> >
> > Ok, now is the time for everyone who can't accept an opinion
> > that differs from their own to flame away. Because my text is not
> > bold enough, italicized, or in the proper font de jour, I fully
> > expect a fair ration of hatemail.
> >
> > Lachlan, member of the Arizona Voracious Jeer Club.
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
36831 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:22pm
Subject: RE: I nEED a...
What happend to the cape your Jeep had? :)
http://community.webshots.com/photo/13469558/13467312mGrLqXDyOx
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: aphrodsyak@aol.com [mailto:aphrodsyak@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:45 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] I nEED a...
does anyone know of anyone who has a bikini top for a TJ that goes all the wayover the back seat. I believe one brand calls them a sun downer. If anyone has one they are interested in getting rid of please call or email.
480-650-3887
ERIC
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36832 From: Halverson <byrnec@q...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:29pm
Subject: Re: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
Boy--I changed my ISP, so have been offline the last couple of days, it looks like I caught the tail end of another flamefest when I got back on today. Just another reason that I love this group.
John Halverson
----- Original Message -----
From: sharxjeep@cs.com
To: rv6a@mac.com ; RioShilo@aol.com ; joew@avanticorp.com ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
Even better yet...how about getting to know what people drive by seeing them on the trail instead of them having to list what they have on every E-Mail. Just a thought
Sharky
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36833 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:27pm
Subject: OT: Joe West <Grin>
This guy wakes up one morning to find Joe West sitting in his tree. He looks in the phone book for a gorilla removal service until he finds one. "Is it a boy or girl?" the service guy asks. "Boy," is the man's response. "Oh yeah, I can do it. I'll be right there", says the service guy.
An hour later the service guy shows up with a stick, a Chihuahua, a shotgun, and a pair of handcuffs. He then gives the man some instructions: "Now, I'm going to climb this tree and poke Joe West with the stick until he falls. When he does, the trained Chihuahua will bite Joe West's testicles off. Joe West will then cross his hands to protect himself and allow you to put the handcuffs on him."
The man asks, "What do I do with the shotgun?" The service guy replies, "If I fall out of the tree before Joe West, shoot the Chihuahua."
36834 From: David Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:25pm
Subject: Re: Good Wire Crimpers
go to gray bar there is one in scottsdale they have networking and all type of other tools
----Original Message Follows----
From: "J & P Visic"
To:
Subject: [az_vjc] Good Wire Crimpers
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:18:28 -0700
I need to buy a good wire crimping tool to do some rewiring on my CJ-7. Painless Performance Products recommends using one and given my lack of success in the past with pliers I guess they're right. But I've never seen any at Sears or Walmart. Can anyone refer me to a good tool and a place to get it. I'm not even sure what a good crimping tool looks like.
By the way. My Jeep has bumperettes on the back. Is that bad?
John
84 CJ - 7
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36835 From: brian durham <bdurham@e...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:37pm
Subject: Good Wire Crimpers
grainger supply, graybar electric or others, maybe home depot. Klein crimpers, for insulated wire terminals. They have a teat in the crimp anvil that puts a bulge into the wire that will prevent it from slipping. Do not get the oval style that does not keep the wire stable. The kleins are thick, heavy, and will last for years.
brian
----- Original Message -----
From: J & P Visic
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:18 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Good Wire Crimpers
I need to buy a good wire crimping tool to do some rewiring on my CJ-7. Painless Performance Products recommends using one and given my lack of success in the past with pliers I guess they're right. But I've never seen any at Sears or Walmart. Can anyone refer me to a good tool and a place to get it. I'm not even sure what a good crimping tool looks like.
By the way. My Jeep has bumperettes on the back. Is that bad?
John
84 CJ - 7
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36836 From: nilar708 <squarelights@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:31pm
Subject: does best top make a exact replacement for yj rear windows
i just bought some replacement windows for my stock yj soft top.
these windows are tinted, three rear windows. the desert rat at mesa
said best top dont make em. but i got of the phone with desert rat
in tucson and they said the desert rat in tempe had one in stock, so
i went to tempe and bought it.
i got home all excited to have windows i can see through only to find
out they are too small.
i tried to call desert rat to see what the problem is, however they
closed the phones early, cuz i called at 5:20 and they close at 5:30,
and no one answered. so anyway, this is bugging me, i need to find
out now. tia,
nick l. 93 yj soa.
coils are for hemorrhoid sensitive people.
36837 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:32pm
Subject: RE: Good Wire Crimpers
Radio shack. But I would take a sample of your product to be crimped so you get the right ones. A good crimping tool will cost you some bucks but you should be able to get by with one from radio shack for a reasonable price.
If you prefer the more expensive ones, there are a few electronics parts places. Circuit Specialist is one that comes to mind. I think they are still located in Mesa.
www.web-tronics.com
http://www.web-tronics.com/crimpingtools.html
Joey K
-----Original Message-----
From: J & P Visic [mailto:jpvisic@netbeam.net]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:18 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Good Wire Crimpers
I need to buy a good wire crimping tool to do some rewiring on my CJ-7. Painless Performance Products recommends using one and given my lack of success in the past with pliers I guess they're right. But I've never seen any at Sears or Walmart. Can anyone refer me to a good tool and a place to get it. I'm not even sure what a good crimping tool looks like.
By the way. My Jeep has bumperettes on the back. Is that bad?
John
84 CJ - 7
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36838 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:33pm
Subject: RE: I nEED a...
SuperJeep lost his cape?
Dang Eric... did YOU get married too?
Joe West
Newest member of the Married club
(Testosterone level too... high... tonight... must....stop....writing....stop.....help....must.. .stop...writi....)
Yooohooo... Joyce... here sweetie... I have a present for you....
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:23 PM
To: aphrodsyak@aol.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] I nEED a...
What happend to the cape your Jeep had? :)
http://community.webshots.com/photo/13469558/13467312mGrLqXDyOx
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: aphrodsyak@aol.com [mailto:aphrodsyak@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:45 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] I nEED a...
does anyone know of anyone who has a bikini top for a TJ that goes all the wayover the back seat. I believe one brand calls them a sun downer. If anyone has one they are interested in getting rid of please call or email.
480-650-3887
ERIC
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36839 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:35pm
Subject: OT: Joe West 2 <GRIN>
Joe West goes to the doctor and says, "Doctor I have this problem with gas,
but it really doesn't bother me too much. My farts never smell and are
always silent. As a matter of fact, I've farted at least 20 times since I've
been here in your office. You didn't know I was farting because they don't
smell and are silent."
The doctor says, "I see. Take these pills and come back to see me next
week."
The next week Joe West comes back. "Doctor," he says, "I don't know what the
hell you gave me, but now my farts... although still silent... stink
terribly."
The doctor says, "Good!!! Now that we've cleared up your sinuses, let's work
on your hearing."
36840 From: Tom LaFrance <tlafrance@j...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:37pm
Subject: Re: Build-it-yourself bumpers are WAY less expensive and Infinitely BETTER than anything else!!! was: RE: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
Joe,
Any HACK can cobble something together that only works once ;-)
But it takes a REAL MAN to fabricate something that works TWICE.
<Still grinning>
Tom LaFrance
"Leafs can be re-arched,
Coils you toss in the garbage"
On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:14:42 -0700 "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> writes:
> Does it count that I welded the vice on top of my expensive bumper?
> (and then the weld broke)
> <grin>
>
> There is NOTHING... absolutely NOTHING cooler than building it
> yourself!!!
> (this is the truest statement I've made today)
> And for those of you who are curious... it's a FACT!!!
>
> Joe
> (wishes he had the time and talent to build my own bumpers... of
> course if I
> did, they would look like shi$ and would fall off the first bump I
> hit (you
> know, like the curbs going to the grocery store))
> :)
------------------------------------------------------------
"Those who live by the sword, get shot by those who don't"
36841 From: Rick Norman <4x4xfun1@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:37pm
Subject: Pics from Lower Terminator
This almost seems slightly off-topic after today's posts, but here's my pics
from yesterdays Lower Terminator run. I haven't seen a trip report yet, but
I'm sure FlexyXJ is furiously tapping away at his keyboard at this very
moment. In a minute, he'll be drooling over the pic of him with his left
front wheel a good 4 feet in the air while climbing out of the "Z" turn.
Also, check out Heidi in the white XJ with a wheel in the air. She's a
natural!
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=389665&a=13820659
Enjoy!!
Rick
4x4xFUN
It's an XJ thing...you wouldn't understand
36842 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:41pm
Subject: RE: Build-it-yourself bumpers are WAY less expensive and Infinitely BETTER than anything else!!! was: RE: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
Hey!
I think that Scott Kruize's used his Jeep offroad twice (maybe).
Does this make HIM a real man?
<grin>
"Coils make good chair supports when old,
YJ's you just toss in the garbage"
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom LaFrance [mailto:tlafrance@j...]
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:38 PM
> To: arizonajeep@h...
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Build-it-yourself bumpers are WAY less expensive and
> Infinitely BETTER than anything else!!! was: RE: [az_vjc]
> Bulletproof is
> LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
>
>
> Joe,
>
> Any HACK can cobble something together that only works once ;-)
> But it takes a REAL MAN to fabricate something that works TWICE.
>
> <Still grinning>
>
> Tom LaFrance
> "Leafs can be re-arched,
> Coils you toss in the garbage"
>
>
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:14:42 -0700 "Joe W"
> <arizonajeep@h...> writes:
> > Does it count that I welded the vice on top of my expensive bumper?
> > (and then the weld broke)
> > <grin>
> >
> > There is NOTHING... absolutely NOTHING cooler than building it
> > yourself!!!
> > (this is the truest statement I've made today)
> > And for those of you who are curious... it's a FACT!!!
> >
> > Joe
> > (wishes he had the time and talent to build my own bumpers... of
> > course if I
> > did, they would look like shi$ and would fall off the first bump I
> > hit (you
> > know, like the curbs going to the grocery store))
> > :)
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> "Those who live by the sword, get shot by those who don't"
>
>
>
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36843 From: dthorton_2000 <dt_horton@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:41pm
Subject: Re: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
Hey Joe,
Not to put a target on my forehead but.... why do you think BP has
dropped the price? Any change in materials or construction? Or
just more competition nowdays?
Also was that price for a Bumper & Tire/Jerry Can Carrier or just
the Bumper & Tire Carrier?
I had remove BP from my list because I thought they were
around $800 for a Bumper & Tire/Jerry Can Carrier. I'm about to
get the O-R Fab carrier but might have to give BP a 2nd look.
Thanks,
Dan
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> wrote:
> Hi Scott,
>
> I don't know about you, but sometimes I love being
misunderstood... <grin>
>
> As for the BulletProof price; I ordered the price list today. If
you'd like
> it, I have it in text form.
>
> And last but not least... I think that too many people on this list
are
> getting Butt-Hurt lately. I think we need to plan the first Annual
AZVJC
> Butt-Hurt festival so people can see that we really are nice (but
oft
> opinionated) guys.
>
> Joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@e...]
> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 7:24 PM
> > To: joew@a...; tomasr@a...
> > Cc: 'Mike Beach'; 'bermboy2000'; 'AZVJC'
> > Subject: RE: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE:
[az_vjc] OR Fab
> > Tire carrier
> >
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> > The 2 of us have got to be the most misunderstood
members on
> > this list. It's
> > good to have you back.
> >
> > 2 years ago when we got our Bulletproof setups they were
much
> > more expensive
> > than now. $466, that's unbelievably cheap! I'd buy an ORF
carrier for
> > $250-300 but over $500 seems extreme when you can get a
> > bumper and swingout
> > for less. BTW, where did you see that price?
> >
> > Scott K
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: JW [mailto:joew@a...]
> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 3:02 PM
> > To: tomasr@a...
> > Cc: 'Mike Beach'; 'bermboy2000'; 'AZVJC'
> > Subject: RE: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE:
[az_vjc] OR Fab
> > Tire carrier
> >
> >
> > Roger,
> >
> > Now just WHERE did I call imply that he is an idiot?
> >
> >
> > Here's what I said:
> >
> > "With the Bulletproof bumper and spare tire carrier running
only $466
> > complete with a lifetime warranty and better quality... why
> > in the WORLD
> > would ANYONE pay $495 for the OR setup? I thought that the
> > OR setup was
> > MUCH less than the Bulletproof bumper. If the OR assembly
is
> > $250 then it
> > is a good price... if it really is $495, you should consider
> > Bulletproof."
> >
> > Asking why in the WORLD ANYONE would pay that much for
an O-R setup is
> > certainly not an implication of idiotic behavior... but
> > really an emphasized
> > question which I had hoped someone would answer. I don't
> > believe that it
> > was uncalled for at all... Perhaps I shouldn't have
> > emphasized the words
> > WORLD and ANYONE; I'll be more careful next time to
ensure I
> > don't hurt
> > anyone's feelings.
> >
> > As far as my statement of opinion goes... no... I didn't
> > expect you to take
> > my word for it. Even if I proved that the OR unit was
> > structurally less
> > sound (I'm not saying it is) or brought up the fact that they
> > don't have a
> > lifetime guarantee or... it wouldn't matter. My point was
> > simply, why pay
> > more for less (in my opinion)?
> >
> > I'll try to preface all of my statements from here on out
> > with the following
> > sig:
> >
> > "The opinions expressed in this email are not statements of
> > fact but rather,
> > the opinions of the author and are not intended to be taken
> > as statements of
> > fact unless the author uses the word "Fact" in his
statements"
> >
> > Ciao,
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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36844 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:38pm
Subject: Some may hate me for this...
Joe, I kind of remember your bumper. I went and looked at it on their
sight. Seems fine, but, just going off of my experiences with destroying two
kind of stock carriers doing wheelies on waterfalls. Just having a post for
the carrier and no upper support would not survive very long with 38's and
35s will at least weaken it. With your cute little tires it may be just
fine...who knows.
Also, even with trussing into the frame (that has issues also) the flexing
and jarring will crack the frame unless it is stabalized higher up.
Now the EE can disect that for fun.
Ross
CJs rock TJs watch (mostly ;-))
36845 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:48pm
Subject: RE: Build-it-yourself bumpers are WAY less expensive and Infinitely BETTER than anything else!!! was: RE: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
Yep, I have to admit, its been offroad twice.
Coincidentally, both time's I had to use the winch to save Joe's a**!
<Grin>
I'm dropping out of responding to Joe's posts now. I think I've stoked him
up enough for one night.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@h...]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:42 PM
To: 'Tom LaFrance'
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Build-it-yourself bumpers are WAY less expensive and
Infinitely BETTER than anything else!!! was: RE: [az_vjc] Bulletproof is
LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
Hey!
I think that Scott Kruize's used his Jeep offroad twice (maybe).
Does this make HIM a real man?
<grin>
"Coils make good chair supports when old,
YJ's you just toss in the garbage"
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom LaFrance [mailto:tlafrance@j...]
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:38 PM
> To: arizonajeep@h...
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Build-it-yourself bumpers are WAY less expensive and
> Infinitely BETTER than anything else!!! was: RE: [az_vjc]
> Bulletproof is
> LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
>
>
> Joe,
>
> Any HACK can cobble something together that only works once ;-)
> But it takes a REAL MAN to fabricate something that works TWICE.
>
> <Still grinning>
>
> Tom LaFrance
> "Leafs can be re-arched,
> Coils you toss in the garbage"
>
>
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:14:42 -0700 "Joe W"
> <arizonajeep@h...> writes:
> > Does it count that I welded the vice on top of my expensive bumper?
> > (and then the weld broke)
> > <grin>
> >
> > There is NOTHING... absolutely NOTHING cooler than building it
> > yourself!!!
> > (this is the truest statement I've made today)
> > And for those of you who are curious... it's a FACT!!!
> >
> > Joe
> > (wishes he had the time and talent to build my own bumpers... of
> > course if I
> > did, they would look like shi$ and would fall off the first bump I
> > hit (you
> > know, like the curbs going to the grocery store))
> > :)
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> "Those who live by the sword, get shot by those who don't"
>
>
>
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36846 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:56pm
Subject: Re: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
Just to prove I'm still here.......why would anyone PAY $50.00 for scrap
steel to build a bumper from when they can get scraps for free from Wells
Cargo? My shorty bumper cost less than $20 to build, and all of that was
for the hardware to attach it and a BF drill bit. It's supported/anchored
my truck many....umm, several.......ummm, one or two times.
Len
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom LaFrance <tlafrance@j...>
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, December 10, 2001 5:49 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire
carrier
>Why in the WORLD would anybody BUY a spare tire carrier for the
>outrageous sum of $450 bucks when the can BUILD their own with $50.00
>worth of steel from the scrap yard :-)
>
><Big silly grin>
>
>Tom
36847 From: Jason LaLiberty <jaylalib@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:59pm
Subject: Re: Re: Uniroyal Laredo M/T's??? (ATTN. Rick at Discount)
Does Sam's sell 35" tires?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Karen Acuna" <macunasprint@e...>
To: "jaylalib" <jaylalib@h...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Uniroyal Laredo M/T's??? (ATTN. Rick at Discount)
> Sams Club charges $9.00 per tire for lifetime balance, flat repair, and
road
> hazard.
>
> jaylalib wrote:
>
> > I think these are sold at discount aren't they? If so Rick, how much
> > are 35x12.5s??
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jason
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., Mike & Karen Acuna <macunasprint@e...> wrote:
> > > See them here.
> > > http://www.uniroyal.com/prod_la_fr.htm
> > >
> > > tom lafrance wrote:
> > >
> > > > Uniroyal Laredo M/T's. Sam's Club has 33x12.50x15 for $102.00
> > each.
> > > > Nice looking tread pattern too :-) Anyone have any experience
> > with them
> > > > yet or are they too new?
> > > >
> > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > > -------------------------------------------------
> > > > Nuke em till they glow, then shoot em in the dark
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> >
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36848 From: Tom LaFrance <tlafrance@j...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:07pm
Subject: Re: Build-it-yourself bumpers are WAY less expensive and Infinitely BETTER than anything else!!! was: RE: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
Joe,
LOL, LOL :-)
No manliness comparisons!
Well, not unless you have no doors, no top, no heat, no a/c AND have
fabricated your own bumpers. Manual transmission, brakes and steering
MAY be required in some cases to compensate for lack of manliness.
Tom
"Coils make good barstools"
On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:41:34 -0700 "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> writes:
> Hey!
>
> I think that Scott Kruize's used his Jeep offroad twice (maybe).
> Does this make HIM a real man?
> <grin>
>
> "Coils make good chair supports when old,
> YJ's you just toss in the garbage"
>
------------------------------------------------------------
"Those who live by the sword, get shot by those who don't"
36849 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:24pm
Subject: [FS] New stock tires & wheels
Price: 200.00
Contact: akamoefo@hotmail.com
Set of 5 stock Tires &; Wheels off TJ - Goodyear Wrangler 215/75/15 on stock 5 spoke wheels
Moe Fo
36850 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:27pm
Subject: [FS] TJ Parts
Price:
Contact: akamoefo@hotmail.com
Factory TJ black side steps 45.00 - Factory Black Hard Top Side View Mirrors (bolt to hard doors)in box 50.00
Moe Fo