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36726 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:13am
Subject: Re: burned truck at The Coves
I plan on stopping by the Tonto Natl Forest Mesa Ranger District office
today. I'll see if they know about it and what plans they have for
getting it out. I post something later today. I have a final exam this
afternoon.
I'll ask Steve if he would would be insterested in playing tow truck.
Linda
Robert Holmes wrote:
>
> We saw a mid to late 80's Pathfinder in the Second cove this weekend.
> Someone had abandon it and burned it. There is pretty much nothing left of
> the interior at all. Whats worse is this was about 5' from the shore line.
> We pulled up the was a little way with our jeep to get it out of sight but
> decided we'd need more help and possibly a 4WD tow truck or really big dump
> trailer or a torch and a couple trucks to take the pieces to get it all the
> way out especially if we don't want to tear up the trail.
>
> ~Robert Holmes
>
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36727 From: sun666_98 <brent_lizakowski@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:28am
Subject: Re: Help Installing Cam Bolts
This might help:
http://members.aol.com/Revolvr/jeeptech4.htm#CAM
As far as adjusting the pinion angle... it all depends on what sort
of driveshaft you're running with.
Seeing as how you don't have an SYE, I assume you've also got the
stock driveshaft - i.e. it's not a CV style shaft...
So, that means that you need to keep the output of the transfer case
and the pinion angle parallel within 1 degree.
Tom Wood's site has a bunch of info on this stuff if you need more
help:
http://4xshaft.com/techinfo.html
When I was setting up my pinion angle... I did it all with my control
arms (they're adjustable). Basically, it was trial and error (remove
one end of arm, adjust length, and test drive... repeat as necessary
until vibes were gone). But, if you can find an angle finder, it
might make your job a bit easier (try to find one with a magnetic
base).
Brent
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Thomas" <sthomas@a...> wrote:
> Hey Everyone,
> Well I think I'm finally going to install them. Cam bolts
that is.
> I've had them laying around, since I did the last lift, and never
installed
> them, so I think I'm finally going to make time to do it. I don't
think
> I'll really have much of a problem do the install part, it's the
part where
> you actually have to adjust the pinion angle. I'm not quite sure
on how you
> figure this and know the angle. I was hoping that maybe someone
could
> possibly help me do this. I'm in the east valley (Mesa/Tempe)
area. Oh
> yeah. It's a 97' Tj with 33" and 3.5" RE lift and 1" drop TC. No
SYE.
>
> Thanks,
> Scott Thomas
> 97' Tj
36728 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:41am
Subject: Tires Needed
Looking for 4 or more of 30X??X15 BFGoodrich Mud terrains. Surely someone
has some out there they would love to get rid of!!!!
--
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http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
36729 From: Fred <fredtj@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:49am
Subject: Re: Trip report and Photos to Chivo Falls
Mmmmm, I get a "File Not Found" when trying to access this URL.
Cheers,
Fred
David R. W. Withers wrote:
Wow what a long weekend. Anyhow, again another wonderful trip. Had lots of fun. Wife is now thinking about a jeep, thanks to you guys (and gals). Got home and notice an oil leak under "Chili". Apparently we dinged the oil pan REALLY good. Don't remember doing it. Luckily I managed to get it stopped.
Looks like I got a real good excuse to get a MM lift and/or and oil pan skid. I think I'll do a MM lift first because it will also help out with the driveline angle.
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/lst?.dir=/Chivo+Falls&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/lst%3f%26.dir=/Chivo%2bFalls%26.src=gr%26.view=t
David R. W. Withers
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36730 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:59am
Subject: RE: Trip report and Photos to Chivo Falls
I got the same thing you need to log into yahoo groups. http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.intl=us&.src=ygrp&.done=http://groups.yahoo.com%2F
Then click the link.
Joey K
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred [mailto:fredtj@home.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 10:50 AM
To: David R. W. Withers
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Trip report and Photos to Chivo Falls
Mmmmm, I get a "File Not Found" when trying to access this URL.
Cheers,
Fred
David R. W. Withers wrote:
Wow what a long weekend. Anyhow, again another wonderful trip. Had lots of fun. Wife is now thinking about a jeep, thanks to you guys (and gals). Got home and notice an oil leak under "Chili". Apparently we dinged the oil pan REALLY good. Don't remember doing it. Luckily I managed to get it stopped.
Looks like I got a real good excuse to get a MM lift and/or and oil pan skid. I think I'll do a MM lift first because it will also help out with the driveline angle.
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/lst?.dir=/Chivo+Falls&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/lst%3f%26.dir=/Chivo%2bFalls%26.src=gr%26.view=t
David R. W. Withers
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36731 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 10:06am
Subject: Re: Re: burned truck at Lower Term
Sandee wrote me back, she said I could try to get it out. I'll see if I can
make arrangements to do it. Looks like the weekend of the22nd is the best
for me.
BTW, if we sit on our Laurels and wait for some insurance company to do
this, we only hurt ourselves and our sport.
I would think it would be obvious they have nothing to gain and everything
to lose by removing it.
Once I get things set up, I'll post back to the group to see if anyone wants
to help.
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...>
To: "neder13" <azvjc@a...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: burned truck at Lower Term
> I'd add that if we do end up getting involved, it might be a bit
> easier than the last one as this one is located near the beginning
> of the trail. It sits just past the entrance to Anaconda.
>
> BTW, it's an S10 Blazer.
>
> -Roger
>
> neder13 wrote:
> >
> > I was out there today and two Yavapi County Sheriff Deputies were
> > there looking for it. They took the vin and plate to verify and then
> > notify the insurance company to have it removed. As long as the
> > insurance co does what it is supposed to, we won't have to be
> > involved in its removal.
> >
> > - Mike
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...> wrote:
> > > Anyone have info on this or plans to remove it?
> > > If not, looks like I may go back into action :)
> > > Bill Mish
> > > 1955 Willys CJ3B
>
>
>
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36732 From: RAM <ramaz@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 10:19am
Subject: Any Project Jeeps for sale?
Any one have a project Jeep they are looking to sell?
Randall A. Mutter 95XJ
ramaz@home.com
Thank goodness there are no 12 step programs for Jeeping...
36733 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 11:59am
Subject: [FS] BFG MT Tires For Sale
Price: 500.00
Contact: Don @ Jeepnsw@aol.com or 480-839-9096
BFG MT (5) 33x12.5x15 tires only &; 33x9.5x15 spare mounted on 7x15 5x5.5 stock rim sale price on all 6 525.00
Don Munzer
36734 From: ozer orbay <ozer@u...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 0:17pm
Subject: 94 Zj for sale
My friend got this ZJ for sale. I will try to give as much as possible information onthat.
Here we go:
1) 4.0 L AWD Grand cherokee
2) There are dents on the body. The most important ones: on the lift gate and left side rear door. These two dents are kind of big. BUt door and lift gate is close. Other dents are small and various part of the body.
3) Seats are in good conditions.
3)Door panels are kind of OK. Driver side of the door panel kind of broken but held together. Rear door panels are ok. Switches on the door panel may need to be cleaned.
4) Nice engine looks clean and feels clean. 115K on it.
5) Tranny needs to get an overall fluid change. It has smooth gear shift but kind of dirty fluid.
6) There is some electrical problems. I don't know whether it is because of the security system or else. here are the main problems:
a)Power seats are not working, Both of them
b)I wasn't able to start the car with the key. When I hot wired from the starter it runs but not the key.
7)Needs mirrors side and rear
8) needs sun visors
9) needs one headlight lens and one turn signal lens.
10) tires are ok but It could use nice ones.
These are the things that I remember about the car.
This is an abuse Jeep. My friend got this from an auction. It was repo'd. Of course owner was so pissed and trash the car including breaking the windows. I was able to replace windows, It did cost more than I thought, but wasn't able to get around electrical problem. Now my friend wants to sell it as is conditions.
Car is in Tucson.
She is asking $5000 OBO for the car. Anyone wants to see the car please e-mail me.
THanks
Ozer
36735 From: ozer orbay <ozer@u...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 0:23pm
Subject: tires for sale
I have a " Yokohama Super Digger" tire for sale.
It is brand new tire. Size is
31x10.50R15lt
$50.00
Also I have a stock tire 205 75 R15 It is a brand new asking $25.00 with the wheel.
ozer@u.arizona.edu
36736 From: Robert Holmes <flamable_liquid@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 0:13pm
Subject: Running Lights
Im thinking about putting some running lights on the front bumper of my
Jeep. I was wondering what the general opinions were on quality, and
durability of the different brands and models.
Basicly looking for a set (2) of general running lights
Right now im thinking about getting KC daylighters
~Robert Holmes
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36737 From: my1stjeep <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 0:14pm
Subject: [TR] Upper Terminator 12/9/2001(not just another report, please read)
A few fellow Jeeper's got together yesterday and ran Upper Terminator.
It was a blast. We had a set of destroyed nerf bars, bent bumper,
bent shock, busted lower shock mount and a tacoed tie-rod(even bent
the steering stabilizer). All in all it was a great day wheeling.
On the way home I learned even more about the group I had been
wheeling with that day. Many times we have been there for each other
to wrench on vehicles and such. But on this day it would be a
different set of rules, a new scenario. As the first part of our
group approached Deer Valley Road they bared witness to the
unfortunate accident last night of the woman and her 3 children. Soon
after the rest of us came upon the scene. The first on the scene,
Mike, Scott, his girlfriend and Matt had begun searching for victims,
located them and moved them away from mom. Mom was the most severely
hurt by far.
My wife took the youngest, a five year old girl to our Jeep to keep
her warm and talk. My wife and Dalton(Sharky's son) talked and sang
with her to keep her calm. Dalton even told her stories about our day
wheeling, what a kid. Mike and Sharky took care of the oldest boy, he
had a broken wrist and a few cuts, pretty good cuts I might add.
Scott's girlfriend took the 7 year old boy to their Jeep to keep him
warm and away from mom. Scott continued to work with mom, he did a
great job. Soon after the emergency crews rolled in. They hit the
ground running and worked on the mother like there was no tomorrow.
Those people gave it everything they had. Emergency crews were now
taking care of the children as well and thanks to the efforts of those
in their Jeeps they kept them from seeing the tragic site of their
mother.
My hats off those that were there, you did a great job and your
efforts are worthy of much praise. When many could have flinched,
many did drive by, you stopped and went into action assisting without
hesitation.
To all of you out there(at the scene or not), remember life is too
short, take the time tonight or today when you get home to give
everyone you love a hug, a kiss or a phone call and let them know how
you feel. For those of you who believe say a prayer, for those who
don't say a prayer anyway, those children are going to need them, say
one for those fellow Jeeper's that went the extra mile in helping a
family through a very tragic event.
Those Jeeper's are:
Mike A.
Scott
Scott's girlfriend(sorry bad with names)
Matt
Sharky
Dalton
Jannelle
Eric
Eric's passenger(sorry again, bad with names)
Jim
God Bless,
Chris
36738 From: Mike Beach <mikebeach2002@y...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 0:18pm
Subject: Re: OR Fab Tire carrier
bermboy2000 wrote:
What is up with this? http://www.o-rfab.com/tirecarrier.htm the price
says $495 I went wheeling this weekend with two guys that had them,
and both said it was about 250. Did they double the price or what??
Thanks,
Scott "Iron" Maiden
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Im getting mine installed tommorow by Mark@ O-R Fab, My total came out to 535.15 with tax. I really like the product and think it is well worth the money. I'll take pics, and post them tommorow
MIKE
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36739 From: Robert Holmes <flamable_liquid@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 0:26pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Upper Terminator 12/9/2001(not just another report, please read)
I beleive a congratulations is not the proper thing to say, but my utmost
respect for all those that helped. Its a great thing to see when people have
enough love and respect for human life to help their fellow man. Somthing I
think our society doesn't honor or give much value to, but should
~Robert Holmes
>From: "my1stjeep" <my1stjeep@e...>
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] [TR] Upper Terminator 12/9/2001(not just another report,
>please read)
>Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:14:54 -0000
>
>A few fellow Jeeper's got together yesterday and ran Upper Terminator.
>It was a blast. We had a set of destroyed nerf bars, bent bumper,
>bent shock, busted lower shock mount and a tacoed tie-rod(even bent
>the steering stabilizer). All in all it was a great day wheeling.
>
>On the way home I learned even more about the group I had been
>wheeling with that day. Many times we have been there for each other
>to wrench on vehicles and such. But on this day it would be a
>different set of rules, a new scenario. As the first part of our
>group approached Deer Valley Road they bared witness to the
>unfortunate accident last night of the woman and her 3 children. Soon
>after the rest of us came upon the scene. The first on the scene,
>Mike, Scott, his girlfriend and Matt had begun searching for victims,
>located them and moved them away from mom. Mom was the most severely
>hurt by far.
>
>My wife took the youngest, a five year old girl to our Jeep to keep
>her warm and talk. My wife and Dalton(Sharky's son) talked and sang
>with her to keep her calm. Dalton even told her stories about our day
>wheeling, what a kid. Mike and Sharky took care of the oldest boy, he
>had a broken wrist and a few cuts, pretty good cuts I might add.
>Scott's girlfriend took the 7 year old boy to their Jeep to keep him
>warm and away from mom. Scott continued to work with mom, he did a
>great job. Soon after the emergency crews rolled in. They hit the
>ground running and worked on the mother like there was no tomorrow.
>Those people gave it everything they had. Emergency crews were now
>taking care of the children as well and thanks to the efforts of those
>in their Jeeps they kept them from seeing the tragic site of their
>mother.
>
>My hats off those that were there, you did a great job and your
>efforts are worthy of much praise. When many could have flinched,
>many did drive by, you stopped and went into action assisting without
>hesitation.
>
>To all of you out there(at the scene or not), remember life is too
>short, take the time tonight or today when you get home to give
>everyone you love a hug, a kiss or a phone call and let them know how
>you feel. For those of you who believe say a prayer, for those who
>don't say a prayer anyway, those children are going to need them, say
>one for those fellow Jeeper's that went the extra mile in helping a
>family through a very tragic event.
>
>Those Jeeper's are:
>Mike A.
>Scott
>Scott's girlfriend(sorry bad with names)
>Matt
>Sharky
>Dalton
>Jannelle
>Eric
>Eric's passenger(sorry again, bad with names)
>Jim
>
>God Bless,
>Chris
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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36740 From: crusarius <crusarius@a...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 0:30pm
Subject: Re: OR Fab Tire carrier
the o-r fab carrier is well worth the money here is a brief writeup
on the install you can see how well constructed it is
http://www.alloffroad.com/issue/2001/june/contents/carrier.htm
--- In az_vjc@y..., Mike Beach <mikebeach2002@y...> wrote:
>
>
> bermboy2000 <bermboy@h...> wrote:
> What is up with this? http://www.o-rfab.com/tirecarrier.htm the
price
> says $495 I went wheeling this weekend with two guys that had them,
> and both said it was about 250. Did they double the price or what??
> Thanks,
> Scott "Iron" Maiden
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
> Im getting mine installed tommorow by Mark@ O-R Fab, My total came
out to 535.15 with tax. I really like the product and think it is
well worth the money. I'll take pics, and post them tommorow
>
> MIKE
>
>
>
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36741 From: JW <joew@a...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 0:32pm
Subject: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
With the Bulletproof bumper and spare tire carrier running only $466 complete with a lifetime warranty and better quality... why in the WORLD would ANYONE pay $495 for the OR setup? I thought that the OR setup was MUCH less than the Bulletproof bumper. If the OR assembly is $250 then it is a good price... if it really is $495, you should consider Bulletproof.
For anyone considering Bulletproof's setup with a lifetime guarantee... let me know; I have their current pricelist.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Beach [mailto:mikebeach2002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:19 PM
To: bermboy2000; AZVJC
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
bermboy2000 wrote:
What is up with this? http://www.o-rfab.com/tirecarrier.htm the price
says $495 I went wheeling this weekend with two guys that had them,
and both said it was about 250. Did they double the price or what??
Thanks,
Scott "Iron" Maiden
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Im getting mine installed tommorow by Mark@ O-R Fab, My total came out to 535.15 with tax. I really like the product and think it is well worth the money. I'll take pics, and post them tommorow
MIKE
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36742 From: githunder <GIThunder81@a...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 0:50pm
Subject: Pro Comp Stage II
I was looking at a procomp stage II lift.. Any suggestions? Are they
any good. I also have 3.73 gears and I want to run 35" tires but I
will have to regear. Can I run 33" tires and be ok for a while? Is
the size difference between 33 and 35 really make that big of a
difference. I am going with the 4in lift from Pro Comp I think but
any suggestions would be great. I am looking to spend under a 1000.00
on the lift but I still want something nice..
36743 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 0:53pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Upper Terminator 12/9/2001(not just another report, please read)
I "tip my hat" to those that helped. That must have been a very difficult
situation and I feel you are all worthy of a warm and heart felt thank you.
--
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http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
36744 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 0:59pm
Subject: RE: Pro Comp Stage II
I've ran Procomp 4" springs since March of this year. They are great
springs. For me, however, I swapped out the rear springs a couple of weeks
ago. The spring rate was too low for the weight of my TJ (it has a hard
top, built in storage box, external tire carrier sitting behind a pair of
Jerry cans, etc.)
Procomps have the lowest, to the best of my knowledge, 4" spring rate of
the major brands. They give an excellent ride when teamed up with good
shock. I love the Procomp front springs and they are staying on my TJ.
So....I can't say anything about rest of the lift (control arms, etc.) but
you should be happy with the springs unless you have a heavy rear end
(oops....the Jeep I mean, not you!) ;)
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: githunder [mailto:GIThunder81@a...]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:50 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Pro Comp Stage II
I was looking at a procomp stage II lift.. Any suggestions? Are they
any good. I also have 3.73 gears and I want to run 35" tires but I
will have to regear. Can I run 33" tires and be ok for a while? Is
the size difference between 33 and 35 really make that big of a
difference. I am going with the 4in lift from Pro Comp I think but
any suggestions would be great. I am looking to spend under a 1000.00
on the lift but I still want something nice..
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36745 From: Michael Wixom <certifiedinsp@m...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 1:28pm
Subject: Re: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
For an alternative, check out http://www.younger-bros.com/ I bought my bumpers, tire carrier from them and they are at least as good a quality as Bulletproof and some what less expensive. The construction is top notch and they are easier to work with than bullet proof. They added some custom mounting points for me and a winch plate for much less than Bulletproof. (actually bulletproof would not do the custom work)
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
----- Original Message -----
From: JW
To: 'Mike Beach' ; 'bermboy2000' ; 'AZVJC'
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:32 PM
Subject: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
With the Bulletproof bumper and spare tire carrier running only $466 complete with a lifetime warranty and better quality... why in the WORLD would ANYONE pay $495 for the OR setup? I thought that the OR setup was MUCH less than the Bulletproof bumper. If the OR assembly is $250 then it is a good price... if it really is $495, you should consider Bulletproof.
For anyone considering Bulletproof's setup with a lifetime guarantee... let me know; I have their current pricelist.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Beach [mailto:mikebeach2002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:19 PM
To: bermboy2000; AZVJC
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
bermboy2000 wrote:
What is up with this? http://www.o-rfab.com/tirecarrier.htm the price
says $495 I went wheeling this weekend with two guys that had them,
and both said it was about 250. Did they double the price or what??
Thanks,
Scott "Iron" Maiden
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Im getting mine installed tommorow by Mark@ O-R Fab, My total came out to 535.15 with tax. I really like the product and think it is well worth the money. I'll take pics, and post them tommorow
MIKE
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36746 From: Mike Beach <mikebeach2002@y...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 1:12pm
Subject: Re: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
JW wrote:
With the Bulletproof bumper and spare tire carrier running only $466 complete with a lifetime warranty and better quality... why in the WORLD would ANYONE pay $495 for the OR setup? I thought that the OR setup was MUCH less than the Bulletproof bumper. If the OR assembly is $250 then it is a good price... if it really is $495, you should consider Bulletproof.
For anyone considering Bulletproof's setup with a lifetime guarantee... let me know; I have their current pricelist.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Beach [mailto:mikebeach2002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:19 PM
To: bermboy2000; AZVJC
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
bermboy2000 wrote:
What is up with this? http://www.o-rfab.com/tirecarrier.htm the price
says $495 I went wheeling this weekend with two guys that had them,
and both said it was about 250. Did they double the price or what??
Thanks,
Scott "Iron" Maiden
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Im getting mine installed tommorow by Mark@ O-R Fab, My total came out to 535.15 with tax. I really like the product and think it is well worth the money. I'll take pics, and post them tommorow
MIKE
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Oh, lets go out and jump on the Bulletproof is the best stuff in the world bandwagon:) If i like Bulletproof I would have bought bulletproof, but since I like Mark and his work at O-R, thats what I went with. How can you say that Bulletproof is much better quality? Have you seen one in person(O-R's)? I'd really like to know if this is just an opinion or a FACT
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36747 From: Nick <nnote@a...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 1:19pm
Subject: What's that dohicky?
93 YJ, just above the heater box, that the blower motor is behind, is a plug in. On the inside of the plug in is two coils and a temp sensing diode? Mine was unplugged and so I fiqured that's why I was getting no heat. Well, no luck. Plugged it in and still blowing cold air. I did get my low setting on my blower fan back though!?? I replaced the thermostat, radiator (flushed also & heatercore) and my hoses about eight months ago......
Nick
36748 From: Fred <fredtj@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 1:28pm
Subject: Re: Pro Comp Stage II
3.73's would life a little "difficult" with 35's. At least "real" 35's ;)
Anyway, yes, there can be quite a bit of difference between 33's and
35's. My BFG MT's (33's) measured a little under 32 inches, mounted on
the Jeep. My SSR's (35's) measure right at 35, mounted on my Jeep. The
other thing to remember, is the weight. My SSR's (35's) mounted on the
steel wheels are ca 100 lbs *each* tire/wheel !!!!
You can certainly run 33's with 3.73 and it won't be tooooooo bad. I had
that combo for a while, before re-gearing to 4.56's..
:)
Fred
githunder wrote:
>I was looking at a procomp stage II lift.. Any suggestions? Are they
>any good. I also have 3.73 gears and I want to run 35" tires but I
>will have to regear. Can I run 33" tires and be ok for a while? Is
>the size difference between 33 and 35 really make that big of a
>difference. I am going with the 4in lift from Pro Comp I think but
>any suggestions would be great. I am looking to spend under a 1000.00
>on the lift but I still want something nice..
>
>
>
>
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36749 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 1:22pm
Subject: Re: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
Joe,
Instead of just letting him know that the Bulletproof product
can be had for about the same price as the ORF product, you put
him down by implying he is an idiot for buying the ORF product.
That's uncalled for.
Also, you state that Bulletproof's quality is better than ORF's.
Do you expect us to just take your word for it?
-Roger
36750 From: steverino1112000 <steverino1112000@y...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 1:23pm
Subject: Re: OR FAb tire carrier
I have the OR fab set-up on my TJ with the Hi-lift a jerry can(s)
option. It was 495.00. I did not want a bumper set up as they seem to
get in the way and almost always rattle. The OR Fab system works
great. I would highly reccomend it.
36726 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:13am
Subject: Re: burned truck at The Coves
I plan on stopping by the Tonto Natl Forest Mesa Ranger District office
today. I'll see if they know about it and what plans they have for
getting it out. I post something later today. I have a final exam this
afternoon.
I'll ask Steve if he would would be insterested in playing tow truck.
Linda
Robert Holmes wrote:
>
> We saw a mid to late 80's Pathfinder in the Second cove this weekend.
> Someone had abandon it and burned it. There is pretty much nothing left of
> the interior at all. Whats worse is this was about 5' from the shore line.
> We pulled up the was a little way with our jeep to get it out of sight but
> decided we'd need more help and possibly a 4WD tow truck or really big dump
> trailer or a torch and a couple trucks to take the pieces to get it all the
> way out especially if we don't want to tear up the trail.
>
> ~Robert Holmes
>
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36727 From: sun666_98 <brent_lizakowski@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:28am
Subject: Re: Help Installing Cam Bolts
This might help:
http://members.aol.com/Revolvr/jeeptech4.htm#CAM
As far as adjusting the pinion angle... it all depends on what sort
of driveshaft you're running with.
Seeing as how you don't have an SYE, I assume you've also got the
stock driveshaft - i.e. it's not a CV style shaft...
So, that means that you need to keep the output of the transfer case
and the pinion angle parallel within 1 degree.
Tom Wood's site has a bunch of info on this stuff if you need more
help:
http://4xshaft.com/techinfo.html
When I was setting up my pinion angle... I did it all with my control
arms (they're adjustable). Basically, it was trial and error (remove
one end of arm, adjust length, and test drive... repeat as necessary
until vibes were gone). But, if you can find an angle finder, it
might make your job a bit easier (try to find one with a magnetic
base).
Brent
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Thomas" <sthomas@a...> wrote:
> Hey Everyone,
> Well I think I'm finally going to install them. Cam bolts
that is.
> I've had them laying around, since I did the last lift, and never
installed
> them, so I think I'm finally going to make time to do it. I don't
think
> I'll really have much of a problem do the install part, it's the
part where
> you actually have to adjust the pinion angle. I'm not quite sure
on how you
> figure this and know the angle. I was hoping that maybe someone
could
> possibly help me do this. I'm in the east valley (Mesa/Tempe)
area. Oh
> yeah. It's a 97' Tj with 33" and 3.5" RE lift and 1" drop TC. No
SYE.
>
> Thanks,
> Scott Thomas
> 97' Tj
36728 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:41am
Subject: Tires Needed
Looking for 4 or more of 30X??X15 BFGoodrich Mud terrains. Surely someone
has some out there they would love to get rid of!!!!
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36729 From: Fred <fredtj@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:49am
Subject: Re: Trip report and Photos to Chivo Falls
Mmmmm, I get a "File Not Found" when trying to access this URL.
Cheers,
Fred
David R. W. Withers wrote:
Wow what a long weekend. Anyhow, again another wonderful trip. Had lots of fun. Wife is now thinking about a jeep, thanks to you guys (and gals). Got home and notice an oil leak under "Chili". Apparently we dinged the oil pan REALLY good. Don't remember doing it. Luckily I managed to get it stopped.
Looks like I got a real good excuse to get a MM lift and/or and oil pan skid. I think I'll do a MM lift first because it will also help out with the driveline angle.
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/lst?.dir=/Chivo+Falls&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/lst%3f%26.dir=/Chivo%2bFalls%26.src=gr%26.view=t
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36730 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:59am
Subject: RE: Trip report and Photos to Chivo Falls
I got the same thing you need to log into yahoo groups. http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.intl=us&.src=ygrp&.done=http://groups.yahoo.com%2F
Then click the link.
Joey K
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred [mailto:fredtj@home.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 10:50 AM
To: David R. W. Withers
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Trip report and Photos to Chivo Falls
Mmmmm, I get a "File Not Found" when trying to access this URL.
Cheers,
Fred
David R. W. Withers wrote:
Wow what a long weekend. Anyhow, again another wonderful trip. Had lots of fun. Wife is now thinking about a jeep, thanks to you guys (and gals). Got home and notice an oil leak under "Chili". Apparently we dinged the oil pan REALLY good. Don't remember doing it. Luckily I managed to get it stopped.
Looks like I got a real good excuse to get a MM lift and/or and oil pan skid. I think I'll do a MM lift first because it will also help out with the driveline angle.
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/lst?.dir=/Chivo+Falls&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/lst%3f%26.dir=/Chivo%2bFalls%26.src=gr%26.view=t
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36731 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 10:06am
Subject: Re: Re: burned truck at Lower Term
Sandee wrote me back, she said I could try to get it out. I'll see if I can
make arrangements to do it. Looks like the weekend of the22nd is the best
for me.
BTW, if we sit on our Laurels and wait for some insurance company to do
this, we only hurt ourselves and our sport.
I would think it would be obvious they have nothing to gain and everything
to lose by removing it.
Once I get things set up, I'll post back to the group to see if anyone wants
to help.
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...>
To: "neder13" <azvjc@a...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: burned truck at Lower Term
> I'd add that if we do end up getting involved, it might be a bit
> easier than the last one as this one is located near the beginning
> of the trail. It sits just past the entrance to Anaconda.
>
> BTW, it's an S10 Blazer.
>
> -Roger
>
> neder13 wrote:
> >
> > I was out there today and two Yavapi County Sheriff Deputies were
> > there looking for it. They took the vin and plate to verify and then
> > notify the insurance company to have it removed. As long as the
> > insurance co does what it is supposed to, we won't have to be
> > involved in its removal.
> >
> > - Mike
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...> wrote:
> > > Anyone have info on this or plans to remove it?
> > > If not, looks like I may go back into action :)
> > > Bill Mish
> > > 1955 Willys CJ3B
>
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36732 From: RAM <ramaz@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 10:19am
Subject: Any Project Jeeps for sale?
Any one have a project Jeep they are looking to sell?
Randall A. Mutter 95XJ
ramaz@home.com
Thank goodness there are no 12 step programs for Jeeping...
36733 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 11:59am
Subject: [FS] BFG MT Tires For Sale
Price: 500.00
Contact: Don @ Jeepnsw@aol.com or 480-839-9096
BFG MT (5) 33x12.5x15 tires only &; 33x9.5x15 spare mounted on 7x15 5x5.5 stock rim sale price on all 6 525.00
Don Munzer
36734 From: ozer orbay <ozer@u...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 0:17pm
Subject: 94 Zj for sale
My friend got this ZJ for sale. I will try to give as much as possible information onthat.
Here we go:
1) 4.0 L AWD Grand cherokee
2) There are dents on the body. The most important ones: on the lift gate and left side rear door. These two dents are kind of big. BUt door and lift gate is close. Other dents are small and various part of the body.
3) Seats are in good conditions.
3)Door panels are kind of OK. Driver side of the door panel kind of broken but held together. Rear door panels are ok. Switches on the door panel may need to be cleaned.
4) Nice engine looks clean and feels clean. 115K on it.
5) Tranny needs to get an overall fluid change. It has smooth gear shift but kind of dirty fluid.
6) There is some electrical problems. I don't know whether it is because of the security system or else. here are the main problems:
a)Power seats are not working, Both of them
b)I wasn't able to start the car with the key. When I hot wired from the starter it runs but not the key.
7)Needs mirrors side and rear
8) needs sun visors
9) needs one headlight lens and one turn signal lens.
10) tires are ok but It could use nice ones.
These are the things that I remember about the car.
This is an abuse Jeep. My friend got this from an auction. It was repo'd. Of course owner was so pissed and trash the car including breaking the windows. I was able to replace windows, It did cost more than I thought, but wasn't able to get around electrical problem. Now my friend wants to sell it as is conditions.
Car is in Tucson.
She is asking $5000 OBO for the car. Anyone wants to see the car please e-mail me.
THanks
Ozer
36735 From: ozer orbay <ozer@u...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 0:23pm
Subject: tires for sale
I have a " Yokohama Super Digger" tire for sale.
It is brand new tire. Size is
31x10.50R15lt
$50.00
Also I have a stock tire 205 75 R15 It is a brand new asking $25.00 with the wheel.
ozer@u.arizona.edu
36736 From: Robert Holmes <flamable_liquid@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 0:13pm
Subject: Running Lights
Im thinking about putting some running lights on the front bumper of my
Jeep. I was wondering what the general opinions were on quality, and
durability of the different brands and models.
Basicly looking for a set (2) of general running lights
Right now im thinking about getting KC daylighters
~Robert Holmes
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36737 From: my1stjeep <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 0:14pm
Subject: [TR] Upper Terminator 12/9/2001(not just another report, please read)
A few fellow Jeeper's got together yesterday and ran Upper Terminator.
It was a blast. We had a set of destroyed nerf bars, bent bumper,
bent shock, busted lower shock mount and a tacoed tie-rod(even bent
the steering stabilizer). All in all it was a great day wheeling.
On the way home I learned even more about the group I had been
wheeling with that day. Many times we have been there for each other
to wrench on vehicles and such. But on this day it would be a
different set of rules, a new scenario. As the first part of our
group approached Deer Valley Road they bared witness to the
unfortunate accident last night of the woman and her 3 children. Soon
after the rest of us came upon the scene. The first on the scene,
Mike, Scott, his girlfriend and Matt had begun searching for victims,
located them and moved them away from mom. Mom was the most severely
hurt by far.
My wife took the youngest, a five year old girl to our Jeep to keep
her warm and talk. My wife and Dalton(Sharky's son) talked and sang
with her to keep her calm. Dalton even told her stories about our day
wheeling, what a kid. Mike and Sharky took care of the oldest boy, he
had a broken wrist and a few cuts, pretty good cuts I might add.
Scott's girlfriend took the 7 year old boy to their Jeep to keep him
warm and away from mom. Scott continued to work with mom, he did a
great job. Soon after the emergency crews rolled in. They hit the
ground running and worked on the mother like there was no tomorrow.
Those people gave it everything they had. Emergency crews were now
taking care of the children as well and thanks to the efforts of those
in their Jeeps they kept them from seeing the tragic site of their
mother.
My hats off those that were there, you did a great job and your
efforts are worthy of much praise. When many could have flinched,
many did drive by, you stopped and went into action assisting without
hesitation.
To all of you out there(at the scene or not), remember life is too
short, take the time tonight or today when you get home to give
everyone you love a hug, a kiss or a phone call and let them know how
you feel. For those of you who believe say a prayer, for those who
don't say a prayer anyway, those children are going to need them, say
one for those fellow Jeeper's that went the extra mile in helping a
family through a very tragic event.
Those Jeeper's are:
Mike A.
Scott
Scott's girlfriend(sorry bad with names)
Matt
Sharky
Dalton
Jannelle
Eric
Eric's passenger(sorry again, bad with names)
Jim
God Bless,
Chris
36738 From: Mike Beach <mikebeach2002@y...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 0:18pm
Subject: Re: OR Fab Tire carrier
bermboy2000 wrote:
What is up with this? http://www.o-rfab.com/tirecarrier.htm the price
says $495 I went wheeling this weekend with two guys that had them,
and both said it was about 250. Did they double the price or what??
Thanks,
Scott "Iron" Maiden
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Im getting mine installed tommorow by Mark@ O-R Fab, My total came out to 535.15 with tax. I really like the product and think it is well worth the money. I'll take pics, and post them tommorow
MIKE
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36739 From: Robert Holmes <flamable_liquid@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 0:26pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Upper Terminator 12/9/2001(not just another report, please read)
I beleive a congratulations is not the proper thing to say, but my utmost
respect for all those that helped. Its a great thing to see when people have
enough love and respect for human life to help their fellow man. Somthing I
think our society doesn't honor or give much value to, but should
~Robert Holmes
>From: "my1stjeep" <my1stjeep@e...>
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] [TR] Upper Terminator 12/9/2001(not just another report,
>please read)
>Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:14:54 -0000
>
>A few fellow Jeeper's got together yesterday and ran Upper Terminator.
>It was a blast. We had a set of destroyed nerf bars, bent bumper,
>bent shock, busted lower shock mount and a tacoed tie-rod(even bent
>the steering stabilizer). All in all it was a great day wheeling.
>
>On the way home I learned even more about the group I had been
>wheeling with that day. Many times we have been there for each other
>to wrench on vehicles and such. But on this day it would be a
>different set of rules, a new scenario. As the first part of our
>group approached Deer Valley Road they bared witness to the
>unfortunate accident last night of the woman and her 3 children. Soon
>after the rest of us came upon the scene. The first on the scene,
>Mike, Scott, his girlfriend and Matt had begun searching for victims,
>located them and moved them away from mom. Mom was the most severely
>hurt by far.
>
>My wife took the youngest, a five year old girl to our Jeep to keep
>her warm and talk. My wife and Dalton(Sharky's son) talked and sang
>with her to keep her calm. Dalton even told her stories about our day
>wheeling, what a kid. Mike and Sharky took care of the oldest boy, he
>had a broken wrist and a few cuts, pretty good cuts I might add.
>Scott's girlfriend took the 7 year old boy to their Jeep to keep him
>warm and away from mom. Scott continued to work with mom, he did a
>great job. Soon after the emergency crews rolled in. They hit the
>ground running and worked on the mother like there was no tomorrow.
>Those people gave it everything they had. Emergency crews were now
>taking care of the children as well and thanks to the efforts of those
>in their Jeeps they kept them from seeing the tragic site of their
>mother.
>
>My hats off those that were there, you did a great job and your
>efforts are worthy of much praise. When many could have flinched,
>many did drive by, you stopped and went into action assisting without
>hesitation.
>
>To all of you out there(at the scene or not), remember life is too
>short, take the time tonight or today when you get home to give
>everyone you love a hug, a kiss or a phone call and let them know how
>you feel. For those of you who believe say a prayer, for those who
>don't say a prayer anyway, those children are going to need them, say
>one for those fellow Jeeper's that went the extra mile in helping a
>family through a very tragic event.
>
>Those Jeeper's are:
>Mike A.
>Scott
>Scott's girlfriend(sorry bad with names)
>Matt
>Sharky
>Dalton
>Jannelle
>Eric
>Eric's passenger(sorry again, bad with names)
>Jim
>
>God Bless,
>Chris
>
>
>
>
>
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36740 From: crusarius <crusarius@a...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 0:30pm
Subject: Re: OR Fab Tire carrier
the o-r fab carrier is well worth the money here is a brief writeup
on the install you can see how well constructed it is
http://www.alloffroad.com/issue/2001/june/contents/carrier.htm
--- In az_vjc@y..., Mike Beach <mikebeach2002@y...> wrote:
>
>
> bermboy2000 <bermboy@h...> wrote:
> What is up with this? http://www.o-rfab.com/tirecarrier.htm the
price
> says $495 I went wheeling this weekend with two guys that had them,
> and both said it was about 250. Did they double the price or what??
> Thanks,
> Scott "Iron" Maiden
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
> Im getting mine installed tommorow by Mark@ O-R Fab, My total came
out to 535.15 with tax. I really like the product and think it is
well worth the money. I'll take pics, and post them tommorow
>
> MIKE
>
>
>
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36741 From: JW <joew@a...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 0:32pm
Subject: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
With the Bulletproof bumper and spare tire carrier running only $466 complete with a lifetime warranty and better quality... why in the WORLD would ANYONE pay $495 for the OR setup? I thought that the OR setup was MUCH less than the Bulletproof bumper. If the OR assembly is $250 then it is a good price... if it really is $495, you should consider Bulletproof.
For anyone considering Bulletproof's setup with a lifetime guarantee... let me know; I have their current pricelist.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Beach [mailto:mikebeach2002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:19 PM
To: bermboy2000; AZVJC
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
bermboy2000 wrote:
What is up with this? http://www.o-rfab.com/tirecarrier.htm the price
says $495 I went wheeling this weekend with two guys that had them,
and both said it was about 250. Did they double the price or what??
Thanks,
Scott "Iron" Maiden
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MIKE
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36742 From: githunder <GIThunder81@a...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 0:50pm
Subject: Pro Comp Stage II
I was looking at a procomp stage II lift.. Any suggestions? Are they
any good. I also have 3.73 gears and I want to run 35" tires but I
will have to regear. Can I run 33" tires and be ok for a while? Is
the size difference between 33 and 35 really make that big of a
difference. I am going with the 4in lift from Pro Comp I think but
any suggestions would be great. I am looking to spend under a 1000.00
on the lift but I still want something nice..
36743 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 0:53pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Upper Terminator 12/9/2001(not just another report, please read)
I "tip my hat" to those that helped. That must have been a very difficult
situation and I feel you are all worthy of a warm and heart felt thank you.
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http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
36744 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 0:59pm
Subject: RE: Pro Comp Stage II
I've ran Procomp 4" springs since March of this year. They are great
springs. For me, however, I swapped out the rear springs a couple of weeks
ago. The spring rate was too low for the weight of my TJ (it has a hard
top, built in storage box, external tire carrier sitting behind a pair of
Jerry cans, etc.)
Procomps have the lowest, to the best of my knowledge, 4" spring rate of
the major brands. They give an excellent ride when teamed up with good
shock. I love the Procomp front springs and they are staying on my TJ.
So....I can't say anything about rest of the lift (control arms, etc.) but
you should be happy with the springs unless you have a heavy rear end
(oops....the Jeep I mean, not you!) ;)
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: githunder [mailto:GIThunder81@a...]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:50 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Pro Comp Stage II
I was looking at a procomp stage II lift.. Any suggestions? Are they
any good. I also have 3.73 gears and I want to run 35" tires but I
will have to regear. Can I run 33" tires and be ok for a while? Is
the size difference between 33 and 35 really make that big of a
difference. I am going with the 4in lift from Pro Comp I think but
any suggestions would be great. I am looking to spend under a 1000.00
on the lift but I still want something nice..
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36745 From: Michael Wixom <certifiedinsp@m...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 1:28pm
Subject: Re: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
For an alternative, check out http://www.younger-bros.com/ I bought my bumpers, tire carrier from them and they are at least as good a quality as Bulletproof and some what less expensive. The construction is top notch and they are easier to work with than bullet proof. They added some custom mounting points for me and a winch plate for much less than Bulletproof. (actually bulletproof would not do the custom work)
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
----- Original Message -----
From: JW
To: 'Mike Beach' ; 'bermboy2000' ; 'AZVJC'
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:32 PM
Subject: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
With the Bulletproof bumper and spare tire carrier running only $466 complete with a lifetime warranty and better quality... why in the WORLD would ANYONE pay $495 for the OR setup? I thought that the OR setup was MUCH less than the Bulletproof bumper. If the OR assembly is $250 then it is a good price... if it really is $495, you should consider Bulletproof.
For anyone considering Bulletproof's setup with a lifetime guarantee... let me know; I have their current pricelist.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Beach [mailto:mikebeach2002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:19 PM
To: bermboy2000; AZVJC
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
bermboy2000 wrote:
What is up with this? http://www.o-rfab.com/tirecarrier.htm the price
says $495 I went wheeling this weekend with two guys that had them,
and both said it was about 250. Did they double the price or what??
Thanks,
Scott "Iron" Maiden
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Im getting mine installed tommorow by Mark@ O-R Fab, My total came out to 535.15 with tax. I really like the product and think it is well worth the money. I'll take pics, and post them tommorow
MIKE
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36746 From: Mike Beach <mikebeach2002@y...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 1:12pm
Subject: Re: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
JW wrote:
With the Bulletproof bumper and spare tire carrier running only $466 complete with a lifetime warranty and better quality... why in the WORLD would ANYONE pay $495 for the OR setup? I thought that the OR setup was MUCH less than the Bulletproof bumper. If the OR assembly is $250 then it is a good price... if it really is $495, you should consider Bulletproof.
For anyone considering Bulletproof's setup with a lifetime guarantee... let me know; I have their current pricelist.
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Beach [mailto:mikebeach2002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:19 PM
To: bermboy2000; AZVJC
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OR Fab Tire carrier
bermboy2000 wrote:
What is up with this? http://www.o-rfab.com/tirecarrier.htm the price
says $495 I went wheeling this weekend with two guys that had them,
and both said it was about 250. Did they double the price or what??
Thanks,
Scott "Iron" Maiden
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Im getting mine installed tommorow by Mark@ O-R Fab, My total came out to 535.15 with tax. I really like the product and think it is well worth the money. I'll take pics, and post them tommorow
MIKE
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Oh, lets go out and jump on the Bulletproof is the best stuff in the world bandwagon:) If i like Bulletproof I would have bought bulletproof, but since I like Mark and his work at O-R, thats what I went with. How can you say that Bulletproof is much better quality? Have you seen one in person(O-R's)? I'd really like to know if this is just an opinion or a FACT
Mike Beach
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36747 From: Nick <nnote@a...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 1:19pm
Subject: What's that dohicky?
93 YJ, just above the heater box, that the blower motor is behind, is a plug in. On the inside of the plug in is two coils and a temp sensing diode? Mine was unplugged and so I fiqured that's why I was getting no heat. Well, no luck. Plugged it in and still blowing cold air. I did get my low setting on my blower fan back though!?? I replaced the thermostat, radiator (flushed also & heatercore) and my hoses about eight months ago......
Nick
36748 From: Fred <fredtj@h...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 1:28pm
Subject: Re: Pro Comp Stage II
3.73's would life a little "difficult" with 35's. At least "real" 35's ;)
Anyway, yes, there can be quite a bit of difference between 33's and
35's. My BFG MT's (33's) measured a little under 32 inches, mounted on
the Jeep. My SSR's (35's) measure right at 35, mounted on my Jeep. The
other thing to remember, is the weight. My SSR's (35's) mounted on the
steel wheels are ca 100 lbs *each* tire/wheel !!!!
You can certainly run 33's with 3.73 and it won't be tooooooo bad. I had
that combo for a while, before re-gearing to 4.56's..
:)
Fred
githunder wrote:
>I was looking at a procomp stage II lift.. Any suggestions? Are they
>any good. I also have 3.73 gears and I want to run 35" tires but I
>will have to regear. Can I run 33" tires and be ok for a while? Is
>the size difference between 33 and 35 really make that big of a
>difference. I am going with the 4in lift from Pro Comp I think but
>any suggestions would be great. I am looking to spend under a 1000.00
>on the lift but I still want something nice..
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36749 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 1:22pm
Subject: Re: Bulletproof is LESS Expensive! Was: RE: OR Fab Tire carrier
Joe,
Instead of just letting him know that the Bulletproof product
can be had for about the same price as the ORF product, you put
him down by implying he is an idiot for buying the ORF product.
That's uncalled for.
Also, you state that Bulletproof's quality is better than ORF's.
Do you expect us to just take your word for it?
-Roger
36750 From: steverino1112000 <steverino1112000@y...>
Date: Mon Dec 10, 2001 1:23pm
Subject: Re: OR FAb tire carrier
I have the OR fab set-up on my TJ with the Hi-lift a jerry can(s)
option. It was 495.00. I did not want a bumper set up as they seem to
get in the way and almost always rattle. The OR Fab system works
great. I would highly reccomend it.