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36478 From: neder13 <Mike@A...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 10:19am
Subject: Re: weak metals
What are you trying to make?
Hobby shops have a variety in sizes of metal tubes that could work
for you. They even have tubing benders for tubes that size.
I know the owner (co-owner?) of two hobby shops in town, if they're
close to you give them a try.
Hobby Depot
216 W Southern Av TEMPE AZ
(480) 968-1880
Hobby Depot
8995 W Olive Ave Ste 113 PEORIA AZ
(623) 776-1995
- Mike
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Joey Martinez" <joey@w...> wrote:
>
> It is for a remote control rock crawling project that is around
1:10 scale, I was just wondering what would work best besides plastic.
>
>
> JoeyM
> 94XJ
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36479 From: jeepfanatic97 <itsajeepthing@a...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 10:30am
Subject: Re: Tranny
Cottman Transmission Ctr
868 S Country Club Dr
Mesa, AZ (480) 898-1710
I had some work done on an 82 f150 about 6 months ago and they did
really good work and the price was not to bad.
Rob
97 TJ
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Steve Adams" <spadams@i...> wrote:
> Since we all don't drive jeeps all day everyday, I was hoping that
someone would have some advice on where to take a 1993 Toyota Camary
that has a bad tranny. The car is stuck at broadway and country
club. AAA only tow 5 miles so the mesa area would be great. Thanks
for the help.
>
> Steve
36480 From: Rick Norman <4x4xfun1@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 11:17am
Subject: RE: Lower Term. Water Level?
I was there Saturday, and it was bone dry. I dont really think we had enough
rain to fill it up that much. The ground is pretty dry right now
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:48 AM
To: mt_b
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Lower Term. Water Level?
Haven't been up there but was wondering the same thing. There's
one hole before White Line in which I've completely submerged
a 33" tire.
I was thinking about signing up for the Lower Terminator run but
I really don't feel like changing my diff fluid.
-Roger
mt_b wrote:
>
> Anyone have any idea on the water levels at Table Mesa..specifically
> Lower Terminator? I know that first section gets FULL when it
> rains. One time I was there a few weeks after it rained, and the
> level was at my hoodline, so I imagine it may be a bit high this
> weekend.
>
> I'll put my jeep on any rock, but I will NOT go through any water
> that's above my tires! Just wanted to see if anyone had been up
> there today.
>
> Dan
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36481 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 11:20am
Subject: Re: Gears
Man what a pessimist!!! Gears aren't THAT expensive!! I agree go to
4.56 gears, I agree also that drive train direct has good deals, but
you can find a number of people in the club that have done it, have
the tools and would be more than willing to help you install them!!!
I like the $900 package at drive train direct for 4.56 gears, lockers
front and rear, and then install kits and everything!! -Rob
36482 From: jaylalib <jaylalib@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 11:32am
Subject: Water Proofing
Speaking of crossing water...
What are some things I should do to my jeep should I be crossing
water. Is there a way to seal the diffs so I can worry less about
water in them......
any suggestions would be great...
I have a bad habbit of liking to play in water...
Jason
36483 From: AzVJC Website <Mike@A...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 11:47am
Subject: [TR] Turkey Creek - Saturday, January 12, 2002
Hello All,
Mike Chatfield is leading a Turkey Creek trail run on Saturday, January 12, 2002.
When: 8:30 am - Meet &; Greet
9:00 am - Roll Out
Where: Bumble Bee, Arizona -- take I-17 N. of Phoenix, past Black Canyon City to the Bumble Bee exit. Continue on into Bumble Bee, meet at the "general store."
Rating: 3.5+
Length: About 6 hours
CB Channel: 4
Gonna take a few "stockish" type vehicles across this trail. It is really brushy at the beginning of the trail. Should be fairly dry, but there may be some water.
Depending on the time we get finished with this trail, I may lead another trip in search of a nice waterfall. (I know where it is, but not exactly how to get there)
The Turkey Creek Trail runs up the Black Canyon from Bumble Bee to Cleator. After turning left off the main road onto FR 684, the trail will split to go down into the canyon, and then meet back up at the bottom. Either way will get you down, neither are very tough.
Once down to the bottom, take a hard right up and drive up the sandy wash. Keep an eye out for a trail that leads off from the left. If you get to a wide area where the wash splits, you've gone too far. The trail runs between tight brush on each side, there is a gate that you'll have to go through not to far along. As with all gates, if it's open when you find it leave it open; if it's closed then make sure you close it after you pass through.
The trail at this point winds its way up the wash, in many places the trail has all but disappeared. There will be rocky areas to play on along the way. If the river is running, you'll want to make sure you have a winch along, as there are boulders and quick sand hiding, waiting to bite a Jeep.
Keep following the wash up, eventually the road will become more apparent. The trail takes a steep climb out to the top of a ridge, then drops off the other side. You will come to a Y intersection, you may go either way. The left branch climbs another ridge and then drops you back into the wash on the other side.
The right branch takes you through an old hermit's mining claim. The trail on the right branch almost completly disappears; pick your way through carefully you'll find rocky flat areas with no brush on them, this is the trail. After passing around the corner from the Hermit's cabin, you'll see where the trail used to go across a bend in the wash; now that is pretty much impassable. You can continue up the wash and around the corner. If the water is running, this may be extremely hazardous.
After the bend, the two trails combine again. The trail is much more visible now, there will be a few places where the trail splits, take the most travelled looking trail. Go SLOW one of these side trails (the old trail) has about a four foot angled drop off as you come around a blind curve.
The further you go, the more apparent the trail is. At the joining of Poland Creek and Turkey Creek, the trail leaves the bottom of the canyon and heads across the hills to Cleator. Overall, with a small group of Jeeps, this trail can be done between 4 - 6 hours when dry depending on how much site seeing you do. If it is really wet, this can be a weekend trip. One note of caution, this trail runs almost entirely through active mining claims; do NOT stop and start digging around.
Remember to bring water, lunch (and more if it's wet), and don't forget your camera.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
36484 From: jeep108 <jeep108@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 11:56am
Subject: Re: Water Proofing
If the water is very deep I would take off or loosen the fan belt.I
have sucked the fan into th radiator before.
Ken U
--- In az_vjc@y..., "jaylalib" <jaylalib@h...> wrote:
> Speaking of crossing water...
>
> What are some things I should do to my jeep should I be crossing
> water. Is there a way to seal the diffs so I can worry less about
> water in them......
>
> any suggestions would be great...
>
> I have a bad habbit of liking to play in water...
>
> Jason
36485 From: Gary MacLaren <gmaclaren@c...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 0:11pm
Subject: Pirate4x4.Com Bulletin Board - Save Your Forest Use - Call Now.htm
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Yellowsub1962
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Registered: Aug 2000
Location: Simi Valley CA, USA
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Save Your Forest Use - Call Now
American Land Rights Association - Land Rights Network
PO Box 400 - Battle Ground WA 98604
Phone: 360-687-3087 - Fax: 360-687-2973 - Email: -
http://www.landrights.org
Legislative Office: 508 First St SE - Washington DC 20003
Phone: 202-210-2357 - Fax: 202-543-7126 - Email: landrightsnet@aol.com
***Save Your Forest Use - Call Today !!!***
Call your Congressman now!!
Call both Senators too.
Send faxes and e-mails.
*****DEADLINE - Better Monday, but keep going until 5:00 PM Tuesday.
SEE ACTION ITEMS BELOW
INSIST THAT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION HONOR ITS PROMISES TO
THE RURAL AREAS OF THE COUNTRY.
Don't allow the new Administration to give the Clinton Land Grabbers
their
Forest Service Legacy - at your expense.
If Sierra Nevada Forest Plan Amendments (SNFPA) (Ecosystem Plan) are
approved by Bush appointees, they'll be sending you a message that they
are
going to SELL YOU OUT.
Every user of every National Forest will pay the price if new Sierra
Nevada
Ecosystem plan is approved. It will ultimately spread like a cancer to
your forest. Kill it in the Sierras. Don't let it spread.
*****A number of organizations are helping organize a series of
grassroots
meetings over the next two weeks in various areas including the
Sacramento,
Fresno, Bakersfield, Sonora, Visalia and Chico areas. Locations and
dates
will be sent to you soon. Plan to be there if you live anywhere close.
If
you live in another state, please keep the pressure on Congress and the
Forest Service.
It is time to pick up where the Klamath left off with a prairie fire of
activism. Plan to do your part.
Your future use of and access to all national forests nationwide could
be
damaged or eliminated by a decision that will be made by a key Bush
Administration official with the Department of Agriculture in charge of
the
Forest Service. The announcement should come later this week.
It is vital that you e-mail a short letter to your Congressman, both
Senators and Mark Rey, Undersecretary of Agriculture responsible for the
Forest Service.
Even if your have already sent e-mail, it is time to send more. Faxes
too.
WHAT HAPPENS IF MR REY DECIDES TO REVIEW THE SIERRA
NEVADA PLAN?
That is good, but it only gets you part way. He could still decide to
approve it at a later date. It is critical that the grassroots
peacefully
rise up to let the new Administration know in no uncertain terms we're
tired of the compromising and back room deals. It is time for the Bush
Administration to support the people who elected President Bush.
If Mr. Rey decides the plan must be reviewed, the meetings are vital to
encourage a huge uprising of opposition to the plan. That way, the
Administration will be less likely to turn around in a few weeks and
approve the plan.
WHAT HAPPENS IF MR. RAY DECIDES TO APPROVE THE PLAN NOW?
The meetings are even more critical. There is even more reason for the
uprising. It is vital that every multiple-use and private property
advocate nationwide let your Congressman and Senators know that the
Sierra
Nevada Ecosystem Plan hurts you and MUST BE STOPPED.
THE MEETINGS ACROSS CALIFORNIA ARE CRITICAL TO REVIEWING
AND HOPEFULLY KILLING THE PLAN.
It is vital that you call, e-mail and fax the White House to let them
now
that the rural America that voted for him wants the Sierra Nevada Plan
killed. They can do it. They must want to do it.
It is up to you to make that happen.
If enough people call and fax and e-mail over the next few days the Bush
Administration will understand they must not allow this cancer to
spread.
Your calls, faxes and e-mails will tell them they were wrong to allow
Chief
Dale Boswell to approve this misguided, misleading and underhanded plan.
WHY SHOULD I OPPOSE THE SIERRA NEVADA ECOSYSTEM PLAN?
REMEMBER, IT IS REFERRED TO AS THE SIERRA NEVADA FOREST
PLAN AMENDMENTS (SNFPA).
The Forest Service is still infected with hundreds of policy makers left
over from the Clinton Administration. They support ecosystem
management.
That is a new word for getting rid of access, forestry, mining,
grazing,
and most recreation in our national forests. In other words, the
elimination of MULTIPLE USE and the use of PRIVATE PROPERTY.
This plan sets the stage and creates the environment to make it possible
for the Forest Service to get rid of multiple-use in all the national
forests in the Sierra Nevada in California and Nevada.
It threats multiple-use and private property in every national forest.
It threatens many if not most private property owners in the forests and
they largely have no idea a train is coming at them at break neck speed.
It's the precedent for ecosystem planning of all national forests. It
will
likely lead to the massive elimination of most elements of multiple use
AND
private property in every national forest throughout America.
Our allies in California trusted the Forest Service. Promises were made
at
public meetings by the agency to calm fears. The Forest Service failed
to
honor their promises. They planned to drive out landowners and all
kinds
of multiple-use advocates but kept telling everyone they would be ok.
They kept our allies from making a fuss. They deluded them into
thinking
they could trust the system. Our allies participated in the process.
They
wanted to be reasonable. They got hurt badly by playing fair with the
Forest Service.
Multiple use, recreation and private property advocates took the Bush
Administration for granted.
That cannot happen again.
All of us must act quickly create the clamor for what you want or you
will
lose. Big time.
Don't lose your rights by sitting on your hands. Don't let a decision
that
on the surface affects California and Nevada undercut your rights and
future use of all national forests.
Call your Congressman and both Senators Monday and Tuesday to urge them
to
ask the Bush Administration Agriculture Department Officials to pull
back
the Sierra Nevada Forest Plan Amendments (SNFPA) (ECOSYSTEM PLAN) for
review. The best thing is for them to overturn the plan.
ACTION ITEMS:
-----1. Call your Congressman AND BOTH SENATORS. Every Congressman
and
Senator may be reached at the Capitol Switchboard at (202) 225-3121.
One number gets
them all. Tell them this plan will affect your national
forests.
There is a temporary FREE NUMBER of (800) 648-3516. That will also get
you every Congressman. This line may get busy. If so, use the
regular
switchboard number. Do not fail to make your calls.
-----2. Call, fax and e-mail the White House. The Bush Administration
must honor its promises to rural America.
WHITE HOUSE CONTACTS:
President's Fax 202-456-2461
president@whitehouse.gov
vice.president@whitehouse.gov
Vice President Cheney's fax numbers:
202-456-7044
202-456-2685
202-456-9500
-----3. Send your own personal e-mail to Mark. Rey, using the
following
e-mail address:
mark.rey@usda.gov
You can send a FAX to: Mark Rey - (202) 720-0632
Want more information?
Click on: http://www.fs.fed.us/forum/nepa/sierranevada.htm
-----4. Tell any private land owner who has property in the Sierras
that
they must help fight back. For the most part, the have no idea how bad
this plan is for private land owners and communities.
-----5. Don't assume your neighbors have heard about the plan. Call
them
to make sure calls get made by them as well.
Why Should You Care If You Don't Live In California?
No matter where you live or what your land use goals are, the new Forest
Service Ecosystem Land Grab in the Sierra Nevada range threatens you.
Every user of every national forest in America has a lot to lose. You
can stop it but you must act quickly.
Ecosystem management is green speak for National Land Use Controls
Ecosystem management is the prototype for NATIONAL LAND USE CONTROLS.
Is a
test by zealots in the Forest Service to see if they can divide and
conquer you by overriding
you local forest plans, county and state boundaries.
The plan will give management direction to numerous national forests and
cover millions of acres of private land as well as the government land.
Even BLM lands will be affected.
A well kept secret is the BLM and Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
internal working document that describes how a national ecosystem
process
will be put in place by presidential executive order. This plan will
then
be implemented by twenty federal agencies.
Here's how others describe ecosystem management:
-----"I promise you I can do anything you want to do by saying it is
ecosystem management. It is incredibly nebulous." - Jack Ward Thomas,
former Chief, US Forest Service.
-----"A dung pile and while carcass are ecosystems as much as a
watershed
or a lake." - Ecological Society of American, 1996
-----"The fact that no one really knows what ecosystem mangement means
has
not diminished enthusiasm for the concept." -- Dave Wilcover,
Environmental Defense Fund.
-----"The debate over ecosystem management is really about whose values
will determine resource management practices in both the public and
private
sectors." -- Ron Johnson, economist, Montana State University.
-----"The goal of ecosystem integrity places the protection of ecosystem
patterns and processes before satisfaction of human needs." - Ed
Grumbine,
The Sierra Institute.
Here's what the Sierra Nevada Ecosystem Plan (Sierra Nevada Forest Plan
Revisions) will do:
-----A. Create Federal top down land use controls over federal and
private
land for the whole Sierra Nevada Mountain Range;
-----B. Creates an Ecosystem prototype to impose in large areas of
federal
and private lands in other parts of the country;
-----C. Virtually eliminates homes, cabins, businesses and other human
activities near streams, ponds and riparian areas;
-----D. Takes control of the water supply high ground of both
California
and Nevada;
-----E. Deludes local county commissioners into supporting federal
control
to get a seat at the table and more money but gives up local control and
future economic growth;
-----F. Ski areas will lose access, use and the ability to upgrade and
improve safety.
-----G. Cuts grazing by 50% ore more;
-----H. Mining will be greatly reduced;
-----I. Timber harvests will be reduced by 50% or more;
-----J. Over 50% of the roads through national forest and BLM lands
will
be closed;
-----K. Huge amounts of private property will be down valued and
regulated;
-----L. Large amounts of recreation lands will be made off-limits;
-----M. Local rural economies will be severely damaged; and
-----N. Private citizen will face bureaucracy, uncertainty, lawsuits
and
delays in decision-making.
Call your friends.
Call your neighbors.
Alert private land owners.
Please forward this message to your entire list. Thank you
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Crowdog
Wheeler
Registered: Jan 2001
Location: Shingle Springs, CA
Member #2787
Posts: 297
Coalition Supportive of USDA Review of Recent Sierra Forest Plan Decision
Sierra Times 12.05.01
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Reaction from Rose Comstock-Correira Executive Director to the Northern Sierra Natural Resource Coalition, based in Quincy, CA, was cautiously excited about USDA Under Secretary Mark Rey's decision announced Tuesday to review the recent and highly controversial US Forest Service forest plan amendment decision for the Sierra Nevada region.
"Mark Rey, Under Secretary of Natural Resources and Environment, has made the right call to review Chief Bosworth's decision to affirm the Sierra Nevada Forest Plan Amendment Final Environmental Impact Statement and Record of Decision. Rey will first determine if using his discretionary review authority is warranted based on what the record says." Correira commented after receiving word today of Rey's decision.
US Forest Service Chief Bosworth affirmed the Sierra Nevada Forest Plan Amendment FEIS and Record of Decision on November 16, denying all 237 appeals filed against the flawed plan, unleashing a backlash from citizens across the country demanding the Bush Administration review the record. At least 15,000 requests were sent to Rey's office to review the record.
"While Rey is not changing anything about the Chief's decision to deny all appeals right now, it's an important step and especially for those involved with the Quincy Library Group effort who believe the USFS is using the forest plan amendment process as a tool to continue stalling full implementation of the Pilot Project until the QLG Act runs out in 2004." stated Correira.
The Coalition will await Rey's decision due by December 24th and continue to pressure the Bush Administration to do everything within it's power to ensure the Herger-Feinstein QLG Pilot Project be given a fair chance to prove it's effectiveness in slowing catastrophic wildfire by reducing excessive fuel loading in the Lassen, Plumas and Sierraville Ranger District of the Tahoe National Forests.
From: http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/...arsfp120501.htm
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To all those that called (I'm sure several times from a lot of us) - have a on me...
To those that didn't call....pull your heads out of the sand and get involved...
This is great news, but we must still keep the pressure on and stay on top off this and attend any and all meetings in force.. We must stand up now, before its too late...if we just let it go we will continue to loose more land....
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36486 From: jeepfanatic97 <itsajeepthing@a...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 0:13pm
Subject: Re: Water Proofing
What I have found works really well for keeping the water out (I have
the same problem I love to Baja through the Mud)is to take some
Silicone around the Caps on your Diff.....Just put a dab on your
finger and wipe it over the cap....When you need to take the cap off
just use a utility knife or flat head screw driver and scrap that
thin layer off. Its worked great for me.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "jeep108" <jeep108@h...> wrote:
> If the water is very deep I would take off or loosen the fan belt.I
> have sucked the fan into th radiator before.
>
> Ken U
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "jaylalib" <jaylalib@h...> wrote:
> > Speaking of crossing water...
> >
> > What are some things I should do to my jeep should I be crossing
> > water. Is there a way to seal the diffs so I can worry less
about
> > water in them......
> >
> > any suggestions would be great...
> >
> > I have a bad habbit of liking to play in water...
> >
> > Jason
36487 From: Robert Holmes <flamable_liquid@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 0:16pm
Subject: Re: Re: Water Proofing
be sure to check the breather tube and make sure its secure somewhere up
high (I think all have them)
~Robert Holmes
>From: "jeep108" <jeep108@h...>
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Water Proofing
>Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 19:56:55 -0000
>
>If the water is very deep I would take off or loosen the fan belt.I
>have sucked the fan into th radiator before.
>
>Ken U
>
>--- In az_vjc@y..., "jaylalib" <jaylalib@h...> wrote:
> > Speaking of crossing water...
> >
> > What are some things I should do to my jeep should I be crossing
> > water. Is there a way to seal the diffs so I can worry less about
> > water in them......
> >
> > any suggestions would be great...
> >
> > I have a bad habbit of liking to play in water...
> >
> > Jason
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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36488 From: jaylalib <jaylalib@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 0:17pm
Subject: Re: Water Proofing
When you say the "cap" are you referring to the diff cover or the
fill plug?
--- In az_vjc@y..., "jeepfanatic97" <itsajeepthing@a...> wrote:
> What I have found works really well for keeping the water out (I
have
> the same problem I love to Baja through the Mud)is to take some
> Silicone around the Caps on your Diff.....Just put a dab on your
> finger and wipe it over the cap....When you need to take the cap
off
> just use a utility knife or flat head screw driver and scrap that
> thin layer off. Its worked great for me.
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "jeep108" <jeep108@h...> wrote:
> > If the water is very deep I would take off or loosen the fan
belt.I
> > have sucked the fan into th radiator before.
> >
> > Ken U
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "jaylalib" <jaylalib@h...> wrote:
> > > Speaking of crossing water...
> > >
> > > What are some things I should do to my jeep should I be
crossing
> > > water. Is there a way to seal the diffs so I can worry less
> about
> > > water in them......
> > >
> > > any suggestions would be great...
> > >
> > > I have a bad habbit of liking to play in water...
> > >
> > > Jason
36489 From: jeepfanatic97 <itsajeepthing@a...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 0:19pm
Subject: Re: Water Proofing
The Fill Plug.....A mechanic I spoke with told me thats were most of
your water comes in through...
--- In az_vjc@y..., "jaylalib" <jaylalib@h...> wrote:
> When you say the "cap" are you referring to the diff cover or the
> fill plug?
>
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "jeepfanatic97" <itsajeepthing@a...> wrote:
> > What I have found works really well for keeping the water out (I
> have
> > the same problem I love to Baja through the Mud)is to take some
> > Silicone around the Caps on your Diff.....Just put a dab on your
> > finger and wipe it over the cap....When you need to take the cap
> off
> > just use a utility knife or flat head screw driver and scrap that
> > thin layer off. Its worked great for me.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "jeep108" <jeep108@h...> wrote:
> > > If the water is very deep I would take off or loosen the fan
> belt.I
> > > have sucked the fan into th radiator before.
> > >
> > > Ken U
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "jaylalib" <jaylalib@h...> wrote:
> > > > Speaking of crossing water...
> > > >
> > > > What are some things I should do to my jeep should I be
> crossing
> > > > water. Is there a way to seal the diffs so I can worry less
> > about
> > > > water in them......
> > > >
> > > > any suggestions would be great...
> > > >
> > > > I have a bad habbit of liking to play in water...
> > > >
> > > > Jason
36490 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 2:22pm
Subject: RE: Lurkin northwestsider
<snip>
"Basically I do a lot of camping and wheeling
around in the florence junction and rim country but I don't
nessecarilly need to be a monster rock crawlin god."
Famous last words I would add in a yet:)
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member. "Groucho
Marx"
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
36491 From: paparoach85251 <lespaparoach@m...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 2:20pm
Subject: Great purchase experience
Since we do so much vendor and product bashing on the BB, I thought I
would take the time to post a recent positive buying experience.
Santa is bringing me a new set of Tera upper and lower control arms
for Christmas this year. I guess I have been a good boy.
While researching prices for the control arms I found a small offroad
shop in San Fran named Jeepers and Creepers, look them up at
www.jeepersandcreepers.com. They had the lowest price anywhere on the
control arms with shipping included and no sales tax... nowhere else
came close. I talked to James at their store and he knocked some more
off the price while we were on the phone. He was very knowledgeable
about the Tera product line and jeeps in general and made me feel
very comfortable about my purchase. In all, it was one of the most
pleasurable buying experiences I have ever had. If you are in the
market for any Tera products or offroad gear, you owe it to yourself
to check this place out. I highly recommend them.
Les R
Now if I can only convince Santa to let me open my present early!
36492 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 2:37pm
Subject: [FS] AMC 20, Narrow Track
Price: Make offer
Contact: Tom LaFrance 602-549-3937
Amc 20, Narrow track rear. 3.54 gears, open carrier, 2 pc factory axles, new axle seals, new rear brakes. Complete, ready to bolt in. Make me a reasonable offer and it can be yours. Delivery available.
Tom LaFrance
36493 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 2:41pm
Subject: [FS] Dana 30, Narrow track
Price: Make offer
Contact: Tom LaFrance 602-549-3937
Dana 30, narrow track. 3.54 gears, open carrier.
New axle tube seals, new pinion seal, new axle U-joints, new brakes including rotors and calipers.
Some assembly required. Make me an offer.
Tom LaFrance
36494 From: Tom LaFrance <tlafrance@j...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 2:46pm
Subject: Run for Sun Dec 9th??
How about a run somewhere around Florence Jct this Sun? Something nice
and relaxing like Box Canyon or Coke Ovens? I don't know either trail
well enough to lead, but maybe someone would like to volunteer?
Tom
36495 From: hiett710 <hiett710@y...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 2:52pm
Subject: Re: Lurkin northwestsider
Josh,
I'm pretty new too but I've found in the 3 weeks that I've had my
Jeep the RIGHT NOW upgrades I did are working well and allowing me to
go alot of places the BIG guys are going I just have to be more
carefull. I put on a little bigger tires (30's to be exact) and
Teraflex Swaybar Quick Disconnects from Macromotive.com. (call their
local number and ask for the VJC Discount) I'm looking into a
Teraflex Gastank skidplate to replace the stock one and a front diff
guard... with thoose I'd say you can run any 3.0 comfortably and a
3.5 carefully..don't forget your rockerpannel guards either. They can
be very usefull...
Mike
Yellow 2002 TJ
Coil Springs are better.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "pebble007" <pebble007@y...> wrote:
> Hello all,
> Have had my 99tj for about a month and want to do some
> upgrades and need suggestions. This is my daily driver and I put
on
> about 3000 miles per month. I want to do a lift and tires but do
not
> want to sacrafice handling, mileage (what there is to begin with)
> etc..etc to much. Basically I do a lot of camping and wheeling
> around in the florence junction and rim country but I don't
> nessecarilly need to be a monster rock crawlin god. Any advice or
> ideas would be appreciated.
> Thanks in advance
> Josh
> 99tj
36496 From: rlpeckii <rlpii@q...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 4:17pm
Subject: Re: [FS] Full CJ Grey soft top
Matt,
Might help if you gave the year and if it was for a CJ-5 or a CJ-7.
Just a thought,
rlp
--- In az_vjc@y..., AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...> wrote:
>
36497 From: jaylalib <jaylalib@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 4:37pm
Subject: Re: Lurkin northwestsider
Josh,
Sell your jeep before it's too late! While you still have money in
the bank!!!!!!!!!!!!
-- In az_vjc@y..., "hiett710" <hiett710@y...> wrote:
> Josh,
>
> I'm pretty new too but I've found in the 3 weeks that I've had my
> Jeep the RIGHT NOW upgrades I did are working well and allowing me
to
> go alot of places the BIG guys are going I just have to be more
> carefull. I put on a little bigger tires (30's to be exact) and
> Teraflex Swaybar Quick Disconnects from Macromotive.com. (call
their
> local number and ask for the VJC Discount) I'm looking into a
> Teraflex Gastank skidplate to replace the stock one and a front
diff
> guard... with thoose I'd say you can run any 3.0 comfortably and a
> 3.5 carefully..don't forget your rockerpannel guards either. They
can
> be very usefull...
> Mike
> Yellow 2002 TJ
> Coil Springs are better.
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "pebble007" <pebble007@y...> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > Have had my 99tj for about a month and want to do some
> > upgrades and need suggestions. This is my daily driver and I put
> on
> > about 3000 miles per month. I want to do a lift and tires but do
> not
> > want to sacrafice handling, mileage (what there is to begin with)
> > etc..etc to much. Basically I do a lot of camping and wheeling
> > around in the florence junction and rim country but I don't
> > nessecarilly need to be a monster rock crawlin god. Any advice
or
> > ideas would be appreciated.
> > Thanks in advance
> > Josh
> > 99tj
36498 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 4:55pm
Subject: [FS] Lifted 93 ZJ and 92 YJ for sale
Price: $9,700 and $10,300 obo
Contact: xtrmlife@aol.com
Hey everyone I haven't posted on here or been on any trail rides in a looooong time. I've been busy with my new job and trying to decide whether to keep my jeep or not. I've finally decided to sell it and my brother is also selling his. You can find all the info on them at http://jeffscars.tripod.com/intro.html They will also be in the truck trader next week. If you have any questions or would like to see them please contact me.
Jeff (aka ZJDreams)
602-614-4748
36499 From: jeepindog <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 5:15pm
Subject: Re: Table Mesa this Saturday?
I am up for anything that is runnable in a TJ with a 4 1/2"
lift, 35s and f/r lockers! :o) Preferably no body damage, though.
Anyone want to go 'wheelin this Saturday???
Lachlan
In az_vjc@y..., "Nick Gasmena" <horizon@h...> wrote:
> what are you planning to run on saturday? I might wanna do raw
deal or
> something (upper and lower)
>
> Nick Gasmena - nickg@h...
> -----------------------
> Horizon Web Site - Http://www.HuskiesOnline.Com
> My Jeep Pictures - http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> My 4x4 Site - Http://www.huskiesonline.com/offroad
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jeepindog" <jeepindog@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 7:10 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Table Mesa this Saturday?
>
>
> > Thanks to Rick at Discount Tire, I am now ready to
go 'wheelin.
> > I was wondering if anyone is up for a trip to Table Mesa on
> > Saturday. I need to try out my new lift and tires... hint, hint!
> >
> > Lachlan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
36500 From: Mike Beach <mikebeach2002@y...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 5:16pm
Subject: Re: Great purchase experience
paparoach85251 wrote:
Since we do so much vendor and product bashing on the BB, I thought I
would take the time to post a recent positive buying experience.
Santa is bringing me a new set of Tera upper and lower control arms
for Christmas this year. I guess I have been a good boy.
While researching prices for the control arms I found a small offroad
shop in San Fran named Jeepers and Creepers, look them up at
www.jeepersandcreepers.com. They had the lowest price anywhere on the
control arms with shipping included and no sales tax... nowhere else
came close. I talked to James at their store and he knocked some more
off the price while we were on the phone. He was very knowledgeable
about the Tera product line and jeeps in general and made me feel
very comfortable about my purchase. In all, it was one of the most
pleasurable buying experiences I have ever had. If you are in the
market for any Tera products or offroad gear, you owe it to yourself
to check this place out. I highly recommend them.
Les R
Now if I can only convince Santa to let me open my present early!
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
I just ordered all of my X-mas presents from him as well. On eof the nices jeep people Ive ever talked too. he got everything on time as promised. Very good guy Higly recommend him
Mike Beach
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36501 From: wisardd1 <Wisard1@e...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 5:25pm
Subject: YJ "It's a swamper kind of day"
Hey, this is Dale from Ca. I ran the upper woodpecker trail with you
at the Arizona Jamboree. I am currently writing another article for
the web and I have some pics of you doing fire hole. If you could
send me an email. Also, diane, are you out there? You're gonna be
mentioned too, as the ever so sweet Diane!. Anybody else who has
some good pictures of that day let me know and I will use them and
mention you. This is the last article I wrote. I was testing the
Super 35 Ox.
http://www.gdi-jeepheads.com/super_35_ox_verses_jackhammer.htm
Wisard aka dale
36502 From: jeepindog <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 5:29pm
Subject: Table Mesa or Florence Jx
I can't believe that with all of our members there aren't 10
trips posted for every single weekend of the BEST season to go
Jeepin' in AZ!!! I would post a trip, but in my limited knowledge of
locations and directions, it would be a fiasco that may require a lot
of backtracking and yelling! Ha ha!
So, somebody take pity on me and show me a cool trail. I want
to bite onto some rocks with the new 35s! And the boulders I've
driven on in a vacant lot near home do NOT count as Jeepin'!
Anybody?
Lachlan
36478 From: neder13 <Mike@A...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 10:19am
Subject: Re: weak metals
What are you trying to make?
Hobby shops have a variety in sizes of metal tubes that could work
for you. They even have tubing benders for tubes that size.
I know the owner (co-owner?) of two hobby shops in town, if they're
close to you give them a try.
Hobby Depot
216 W Southern Av TEMPE AZ
(480) 968-1880
Hobby Depot
8995 W Olive Ave Ste 113 PEORIA AZ
(623) 776-1995
- Mike
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Joey Martinez" <joey@w...> wrote:
>
> It is for a remote control rock crawling project that is around
1:10 scale, I was just wondering what would work best besides plastic.
>
>
> JoeyM
> 94XJ
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36479 From: jeepfanatic97 <itsajeepthing@a...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 10:30am
Subject: Re: Tranny
Cottman Transmission Ctr
868 S Country Club Dr
Mesa, AZ (480) 898-1710
I had some work done on an 82 f150 about 6 months ago and they did
really good work and the price was not to bad.
Rob
97 TJ
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Steve Adams" <spadams@i...> wrote:
> Since we all don't drive jeeps all day everyday, I was hoping that
someone would have some advice on where to take a 1993 Toyota Camary
that has a bad tranny. The car is stuck at broadway and country
club. AAA only tow 5 miles so the mesa area would be great. Thanks
for the help.
>
> Steve
36480 From: Rick Norman <4x4xfun1@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 11:17am
Subject: RE: Lower Term. Water Level?
I was there Saturday, and it was bone dry. I dont really think we had enough
rain to fill it up that much. The ground is pretty dry right now
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:48 AM
To: mt_b
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Lower Term. Water Level?
Haven't been up there but was wondering the same thing. There's
one hole before White Line in which I've completely submerged
a 33" tire.
I was thinking about signing up for the Lower Terminator run but
I really don't feel like changing my diff fluid.
-Roger
mt_b wrote:
>
> Anyone have any idea on the water levels at Table Mesa..specifically
> Lower Terminator? I know that first section gets FULL when it
> rains. One time I was there a few weeks after it rained, and the
> level was at my hoodline, so I imagine it may be a bit high this
> weekend.
>
> I'll put my jeep on any rock, but I will NOT go through any water
> that's above my tires! Just wanted to see if anyone had been up
> there today.
>
> Dan
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
36481 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 11:20am
Subject: Re: Gears
Man what a pessimist!!! Gears aren't THAT expensive!! I agree go to
4.56 gears, I agree also that drive train direct has good deals, but
you can find a number of people in the club that have done it, have
the tools and would be more than willing to help you install them!!!
I like the $900 package at drive train direct for 4.56 gears, lockers
front and rear, and then install kits and everything!! -Rob
36482 From: jaylalib <jaylalib@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 11:32am
Subject: Water Proofing
Speaking of crossing water...
What are some things I should do to my jeep should I be crossing
water. Is there a way to seal the diffs so I can worry less about
water in them......
any suggestions would be great...
I have a bad habbit of liking to play in water...
Jason
36483 From: AzVJC Website <Mike@A...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 11:47am
Subject: [TR] Turkey Creek - Saturday, January 12, 2002
Hello All,
Mike Chatfield is leading a Turkey Creek trail run on Saturday, January 12, 2002.
When: 8:30 am - Meet &; Greet
9:00 am - Roll Out
Where: Bumble Bee, Arizona -- take I-17 N. of Phoenix, past Black Canyon City to the Bumble Bee exit. Continue on into Bumble Bee, meet at the "general store."
Rating: 3.5+
Length: About 6 hours
CB Channel: 4
Gonna take a few "stockish" type vehicles across this trail. It is really brushy at the beginning of the trail. Should be fairly dry, but there may be some water.
Depending on the time we get finished with this trail, I may lead another trip in search of a nice waterfall. (I know where it is, but not exactly how to get there)
The Turkey Creek Trail runs up the Black Canyon from Bumble Bee to Cleator. After turning left off the main road onto FR 684, the trail will split to go down into the canyon, and then meet back up at the bottom. Either way will get you down, neither are very tough.
Once down to the bottom, take a hard right up and drive up the sandy wash. Keep an eye out for a trail that leads off from the left. If you get to a wide area where the wash splits, you've gone too far. The trail runs between tight brush on each side, there is a gate that you'll have to go through not to far along. As with all gates, if it's open when you find it leave it open; if it's closed then make sure you close it after you pass through.
The trail at this point winds its way up the wash, in many places the trail has all but disappeared. There will be rocky areas to play on along the way. If the river is running, you'll want to make sure you have a winch along, as there are boulders and quick sand hiding, waiting to bite a Jeep.
Keep following the wash up, eventually the road will become more apparent. The trail takes a steep climb out to the top of a ridge, then drops off the other side. You will come to a Y intersection, you may go either way. The left branch climbs another ridge and then drops you back into the wash on the other side.
The right branch takes you through an old hermit's mining claim. The trail on the right branch almost completly disappears; pick your way through carefully you'll find rocky flat areas with no brush on them, this is the trail. After passing around the corner from the Hermit's cabin, you'll see where the trail used to go across a bend in the wash; now that is pretty much impassable. You can continue up the wash and around the corner. If the water is running, this may be extremely hazardous.
After the bend, the two trails combine again. The trail is much more visible now, there will be a few places where the trail splits, take the most travelled looking trail. Go SLOW one of these side trails (the old trail) has about a four foot angled drop off as you come around a blind curve.
The further you go, the more apparent the trail is. At the joining of Poland Creek and Turkey Creek, the trail leaves the bottom of the canyon and heads across the hills to Cleator. Overall, with a small group of Jeeps, this trail can be done between 4 - 6 hours when dry depending on how much site seeing you do. If it is really wet, this can be a weekend trip. One note of caution, this trail runs almost entirely through active mining claims; do NOT stop and start digging around.
Remember to bring water, lunch (and more if it's wet), and don't forget your camera.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
36484 From: jeep108 <jeep108@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 11:56am
Subject: Re: Water Proofing
If the water is very deep I would take off or loosen the fan belt.I
have sucked the fan into th radiator before.
Ken U
--- In az_vjc@y..., "jaylalib" <jaylalib@h...> wrote:
> Speaking of crossing water...
>
> What are some things I should do to my jeep should I be crossing
> water. Is there a way to seal the diffs so I can worry less about
> water in them......
>
> any suggestions would be great...
>
> I have a bad habbit of liking to play in water...
>
> Jason
36485 From: Gary MacLaren <gmaclaren@c...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 0:11pm
Subject: Pirate4x4.Com Bulletin Board - Save Your Forest Use - Call Now.htm
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Save Your Forest Use - Call Now
American Land Rights Association - Land Rights Network
PO Box 400 - Battle Ground WA 98604
Phone: 360-687-3087 - Fax: 360-687-2973 - Email: -
http://www.landrights.org
Legislative Office: 508 First St SE - Washington DC 20003
Phone: 202-210-2357 - Fax: 202-543-7126 - Email: landrightsnet@aol.com
***Save Your Forest Use - Call Today !!!***
Call your Congressman now!!
Call both Senators too.
Send faxes and e-mails.
*****DEADLINE - Better Monday, but keep going until 5:00 PM Tuesday.
SEE ACTION ITEMS BELOW
INSIST THAT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION HONOR ITS PROMISES TO
THE RURAL AREAS OF THE COUNTRY.
Don't allow the new Administration to give the Clinton Land Grabbers
their
Forest Service Legacy - at your expense.
If Sierra Nevada Forest Plan Amendments (SNFPA) (Ecosystem Plan) are
approved by Bush appointees, they'll be sending you a message that they
are
going to SELL YOU OUT.
Every user of every National Forest will pay the price if new Sierra
Nevada
Ecosystem plan is approved. It will ultimately spread like a cancer to
your forest. Kill it in the Sierras. Don't let it spread.
*****A number of organizations are helping organize a series of
grassroots
meetings over the next two weeks in various areas including the
Sacramento,
Fresno, Bakersfield, Sonora, Visalia and Chico areas. Locations and
dates
will be sent to you soon. Plan to be there if you live anywhere close.
If
you live in another state, please keep the pressure on Congress and the
Forest Service.
It is time to pick up where the Klamath left off with a prairie fire of
activism. Plan to do your part.
Your future use of and access to all national forests nationwide could
be
damaged or eliminated by a decision that will be made by a key Bush
Administration official with the Department of Agriculture in charge of
the
Forest Service. The announcement should come later this week.
It is vital that you e-mail a short letter to your Congressman, both
Senators and Mark Rey, Undersecretary of Agriculture responsible for the
Forest Service.
Even if your have already sent e-mail, it is time to send more. Faxes
too.
WHAT HAPPENS IF MR REY DECIDES TO REVIEW THE SIERRA
NEVADA PLAN?
That is good, but it only gets you part way. He could still decide to
approve it at a later date. It is critical that the grassroots
peacefully
rise up to let the new Administration know in no uncertain terms we're
tired of the compromising and back room deals. It is time for the Bush
Administration to support the people who elected President Bush.
If Mr. Rey decides the plan must be reviewed, the meetings are vital to
encourage a huge uprising of opposition to the plan. That way, the
Administration will be less likely to turn around in a few weeks and
approve the plan.
WHAT HAPPENS IF MR. RAY DECIDES TO APPROVE THE PLAN NOW?
The meetings are even more critical. There is even more reason for the
uprising. It is vital that every multiple-use and private property
advocate nationwide let your Congressman and Senators know that the
Sierra
Nevada Ecosystem Plan hurts you and MUST BE STOPPED.
THE MEETINGS ACROSS CALIFORNIA ARE CRITICAL TO REVIEWING
AND HOPEFULLY KILLING THE PLAN.
It is vital that you call, e-mail and fax the White House to let them
now
that the rural America that voted for him wants the Sierra Nevada Plan
killed. They can do it. They must want to do it.
It is up to you to make that happen.
If enough people call and fax and e-mail over the next few days the Bush
Administration will understand they must not allow this cancer to
spread.
Your calls, faxes and e-mails will tell them they were wrong to allow
Chief
Dale Boswell to approve this misguided, misleading and underhanded plan.
WHY SHOULD I OPPOSE THE SIERRA NEVADA ECOSYSTEM PLAN?
REMEMBER, IT IS REFERRED TO AS THE SIERRA NEVADA FOREST
PLAN AMENDMENTS (SNFPA).
The Forest Service is still infected with hundreds of policy makers left
over from the Clinton Administration. They support ecosystem
management.
That is a new word for getting rid of access, forestry, mining,
grazing,
and most recreation in our national forests. In other words, the
elimination of MULTIPLE USE and the use of PRIVATE PROPERTY.
This plan sets the stage and creates the environment to make it possible
for the Forest Service to get rid of multiple-use in all the national
forests in the Sierra Nevada in California and Nevada.
It threats multiple-use and private property in every national forest.
It threatens many if not most private property owners in the forests and
they largely have no idea a train is coming at them at break neck speed.
It's the precedent for ecosystem planning of all national forests. It
will
likely lead to the massive elimination of most elements of multiple use
AND
private property in every national forest throughout America.
Our allies in California trusted the Forest Service. Promises were made
at
public meetings by the agency to calm fears. The Forest Service failed
to
honor their promises. They planned to drive out landowners and all
kinds
of multiple-use advocates but kept telling everyone they would be ok.
They kept our allies from making a fuss. They deluded them into
thinking
they could trust the system. Our allies participated in the process.
They
wanted to be reasonable. They got hurt badly by playing fair with the
Forest Service.
Multiple use, recreation and private property advocates took the Bush
Administration for granted.
That cannot happen again.
All of us must act quickly create the clamor for what you want or you
will
lose. Big time.
Don't lose your rights by sitting on your hands. Don't let a decision
that
on the surface affects California and Nevada undercut your rights and
future use of all national forests.
Call your Congressman and both Senators Monday and Tuesday to urge them
to
ask the Bush Administration Agriculture Department Officials to pull
back
the Sierra Nevada Forest Plan Amendments (SNFPA) (ECOSYSTEM PLAN) for
review. The best thing is for them to overturn the plan.
ACTION ITEMS:
-----1. Call your Congressman AND BOTH SENATORS. Every Congressman
and
Senator may be reached at the Capitol Switchboard at (202) 225-3121.
One number gets
them all. Tell them this plan will affect your national
forests.
There is a temporary FREE NUMBER of (800) 648-3516. That will also get
you every Congressman. This line may get busy. If so, use the
regular
switchboard number. Do not fail to make your calls.
-----2. Call, fax and e-mail the White House. The Bush Administration
must honor its promises to rural America.
WHITE HOUSE CONTACTS:
President's Fax 202-456-2461
president@whitehouse.gov
vice.president@whitehouse.gov
Vice President Cheney's fax numbers:
202-456-7044
202-456-2685
202-456-9500
-----3. Send your own personal e-mail to Mark. Rey, using the
following
e-mail address:
mark.rey@usda.gov
You can send a FAX to: Mark Rey - (202) 720-0632
Want more information?
Click on: http://www.fs.fed.us/forum/nepa/sierranevada.htm
-----4. Tell any private land owner who has property in the Sierras
that
they must help fight back. For the most part, the have no idea how bad
this plan is for private land owners and communities.
-----5. Don't assume your neighbors have heard about the plan. Call
them
to make sure calls get made by them as well.
Why Should You Care If You Don't Live In California?
No matter where you live or what your land use goals are, the new Forest
Service Ecosystem Land Grab in the Sierra Nevada range threatens you.
Every user of every national forest in America has a lot to lose. You
can stop it but you must act quickly.
Ecosystem management is green speak for National Land Use Controls
Ecosystem management is the prototype for NATIONAL LAND USE CONTROLS.
Is a
test by zealots in the Forest Service to see if they can divide and
conquer you by overriding
you local forest plans, county and state boundaries.
The plan will give management direction to numerous national forests and
cover millions of acres of private land as well as the government land.
Even BLM lands will be affected.
A well kept secret is the BLM and Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
internal working document that describes how a national ecosystem
process
will be put in place by presidential executive order. This plan will
then
be implemented by twenty federal agencies.
Here's how others describe ecosystem management:
-----"I promise you I can do anything you want to do by saying it is
ecosystem management. It is incredibly nebulous." - Jack Ward Thomas,
former Chief, US Forest Service.
-----"A dung pile and while carcass are ecosystems as much as a
watershed
or a lake." - Ecological Society of American, 1996
-----"The fact that no one really knows what ecosystem mangement means
has
not diminished enthusiasm for the concept." -- Dave Wilcover,
Environmental Defense Fund.
-----"The debate over ecosystem management is really about whose values
will determine resource management practices in both the public and
private
sectors." -- Ron Johnson, economist, Montana State University.
-----"The goal of ecosystem integrity places the protection of ecosystem
patterns and processes before satisfaction of human needs." - Ed
Grumbine,
The Sierra Institute.
Here's what the Sierra Nevada Ecosystem Plan (Sierra Nevada Forest Plan
Revisions) will do:
-----A. Create Federal top down land use controls over federal and
private
land for the whole Sierra Nevada Mountain Range;
-----B. Creates an Ecosystem prototype to impose in large areas of
federal
and private lands in other parts of the country;
-----C. Virtually eliminates homes, cabins, businesses and other human
activities near streams, ponds and riparian areas;
-----D. Takes control of the water supply high ground of both
California
and Nevada;
-----E. Deludes local county commissioners into supporting federal
control
to get a seat at the table and more money but gives up local control and
future economic growth;
-----F. Ski areas will lose access, use and the ability to upgrade and
improve safety.
-----G. Cuts grazing by 50% ore more;
-----H. Mining will be greatly reduced;
-----I. Timber harvests will be reduced by 50% or more;
-----J. Over 50% of the roads through national forest and BLM lands
will
be closed;
-----K. Huge amounts of private property will be down valued and
regulated;
-----L. Large amounts of recreation lands will be made off-limits;
-----M. Local rural economies will be severely damaged; and
-----N. Private citizen will face bureaucracy, uncertainty, lawsuits
and
delays in decision-making.
Call your friends.
Call your neighbors.
Alert private land owners.
Please forward this message to your entire list. Thank you
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Coalition Supportive of USDA Review of Recent Sierra Forest Plan Decision
Sierra Times 12.05.01
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Reaction from Rose Comstock-Correira Executive Director to the Northern Sierra Natural Resource Coalition, based in Quincy, CA, was cautiously excited about USDA Under Secretary Mark Rey's decision announced Tuesday to review the recent and highly controversial US Forest Service forest plan amendment decision for the Sierra Nevada region.
"Mark Rey, Under Secretary of Natural Resources and Environment, has made the right call to review Chief Bosworth's decision to affirm the Sierra Nevada Forest Plan Amendment Final Environmental Impact Statement and Record of Decision. Rey will first determine if using his discretionary review authority is warranted based on what the record says." Correira commented after receiving word today of Rey's decision.
US Forest Service Chief Bosworth affirmed the Sierra Nevada Forest Plan Amendment FEIS and Record of Decision on November 16, denying all 237 appeals filed against the flawed plan, unleashing a backlash from citizens across the country demanding the Bush Administration review the record. At least 15,000 requests were sent to Rey's office to review the record.
"While Rey is not changing anything about the Chief's decision to deny all appeals right now, it's an important step and especially for those involved with the Quincy Library Group effort who believe the USFS is using the forest plan amendment process as a tool to continue stalling full implementation of the Pilot Project until the QLG Act runs out in 2004." stated Correira.
The Coalition will await Rey's decision due by December 24th and continue to pressure the Bush Administration to do everything within it's power to ensure the Herger-Feinstein QLG Pilot Project be given a fair chance to prove it's effectiveness in slowing catastrophic wildfire by reducing excessive fuel loading in the Lassen, Plumas and Sierraville Ranger District of the Tahoe National Forests.
From: http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/...arsfp120501.htm
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To all those that called (I'm sure several times from a lot of us) - have a on me...
To those that didn't call....pull your heads out of the sand and get involved...
This is great news, but we must still keep the pressure on and stay on top off this and attend any and all meetings in force.. We must stand up now, before its too late...if we just let it go we will continue to loose more land....
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36486 From: jeepfanatic97 <itsajeepthing@a...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 0:13pm
Subject: Re: Water Proofing
What I have found works really well for keeping the water out (I have
the same problem I love to Baja through the Mud)is to take some
Silicone around the Caps on your Diff.....Just put a dab on your
finger and wipe it over the cap....When you need to take the cap off
just use a utility knife or flat head screw driver and scrap that
thin layer off. Its worked great for me.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "jeep108" <jeep108@h...> wrote:
> If the water is very deep I would take off or loosen the fan belt.I
> have sucked the fan into th radiator before.
>
> Ken U
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "jaylalib" <jaylalib@h...> wrote:
> > Speaking of crossing water...
> >
> > What are some things I should do to my jeep should I be crossing
> > water. Is there a way to seal the diffs so I can worry less
about
> > water in them......
> >
> > any suggestions would be great...
> >
> > I have a bad habbit of liking to play in water...
> >
> > Jason
36487 From: Robert Holmes <flamable_liquid@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 0:16pm
Subject: Re: Re: Water Proofing
be sure to check the breather tube and make sure its secure somewhere up
high (I think all have them)
~Robert Holmes
>From: "jeep108" <jeep108@h...>
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Water Proofing
>Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 19:56:55 -0000
>
>If the water is very deep I would take off or loosen the fan belt.I
>have sucked the fan into th radiator before.
>
>Ken U
>
>--- In az_vjc@y..., "jaylalib" <jaylalib@h...> wrote:
> > Speaking of crossing water...
> >
> > What are some things I should do to my jeep should I be crossing
> > water. Is there a way to seal the diffs so I can worry less about
> > water in them......
> >
> > any suggestions would be great...
> >
> > I have a bad habbit of liking to play in water...
> >
> > Jason
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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36488 From: jaylalib <jaylalib@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 0:17pm
Subject: Re: Water Proofing
When you say the "cap" are you referring to the diff cover or the
fill plug?
--- In az_vjc@y..., "jeepfanatic97" <itsajeepthing@a...> wrote:
> What I have found works really well for keeping the water out (I
have
> the same problem I love to Baja through the Mud)is to take some
> Silicone around the Caps on your Diff.....Just put a dab on your
> finger and wipe it over the cap....When you need to take the cap
off
> just use a utility knife or flat head screw driver and scrap that
> thin layer off. Its worked great for me.
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "jeep108" <jeep108@h...> wrote:
> > If the water is very deep I would take off or loosen the fan
belt.I
> > have sucked the fan into th radiator before.
> >
> > Ken U
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "jaylalib" <jaylalib@h...> wrote:
> > > Speaking of crossing water...
> > >
> > > What are some things I should do to my jeep should I be
crossing
> > > water. Is there a way to seal the diffs so I can worry less
> about
> > > water in them......
> > >
> > > any suggestions would be great...
> > >
> > > I have a bad habbit of liking to play in water...
> > >
> > > Jason
36489 From: jeepfanatic97 <itsajeepthing@a...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 0:19pm
Subject: Re: Water Proofing
The Fill Plug.....A mechanic I spoke with told me thats were most of
your water comes in through...
--- In az_vjc@y..., "jaylalib" <jaylalib@h...> wrote:
> When you say the "cap" are you referring to the diff cover or the
> fill plug?
>
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "jeepfanatic97" <itsajeepthing@a...> wrote:
> > What I have found works really well for keeping the water out (I
> have
> > the same problem I love to Baja through the Mud)is to take some
> > Silicone around the Caps on your Diff.....Just put a dab on your
> > finger and wipe it over the cap....When you need to take the cap
> off
> > just use a utility knife or flat head screw driver and scrap that
> > thin layer off. Its worked great for me.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "jeep108" <jeep108@h...> wrote:
> > > If the water is very deep I would take off or loosen the fan
> belt.I
> > > have sucked the fan into th radiator before.
> > >
> > > Ken U
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "jaylalib" <jaylalib@h...> wrote:
> > > > Speaking of crossing water...
> > > >
> > > > What are some things I should do to my jeep should I be
> crossing
> > > > water. Is there a way to seal the diffs so I can worry less
> > about
> > > > water in them......
> > > >
> > > > any suggestions would be great...
> > > >
> > > > I have a bad habbit of liking to play in water...
> > > >
> > > > Jason
36490 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 2:22pm
Subject: RE: Lurkin northwestsider
<snip>
"Basically I do a lot of camping and wheeling
around in the florence junction and rim country but I don't
nessecarilly need to be a monster rock crawlin god."
Famous last words I would add in a yet:)
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member. "Groucho
Marx"
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
36491 From: paparoach85251 <lespaparoach@m...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 2:20pm
Subject: Great purchase experience
Since we do so much vendor and product bashing on the BB, I thought I
would take the time to post a recent positive buying experience.
Santa is bringing me a new set of Tera upper and lower control arms
for Christmas this year. I guess I have been a good boy.
While researching prices for the control arms I found a small offroad
shop in San Fran named Jeepers and Creepers, look them up at
www.jeepersandcreepers.com. They had the lowest price anywhere on the
control arms with shipping included and no sales tax... nowhere else
came close. I talked to James at their store and he knocked some more
off the price while we were on the phone. He was very knowledgeable
about the Tera product line and jeeps in general and made me feel
very comfortable about my purchase. In all, it was one of the most
pleasurable buying experiences I have ever had. If you are in the
market for any Tera products or offroad gear, you owe it to yourself
to check this place out. I highly recommend them.
Les R
Now if I can only convince Santa to let me open my present early!
36492 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 2:37pm
Subject: [FS] AMC 20, Narrow Track
Price: Make offer
Contact: Tom LaFrance 602-549-3937
Amc 20, Narrow track rear. 3.54 gears, open carrier, 2 pc factory axles, new axle seals, new rear brakes. Complete, ready to bolt in. Make me a reasonable offer and it can be yours. Delivery available.
Tom LaFrance
36493 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 2:41pm
Subject: [FS] Dana 30, Narrow track
Price: Make offer
Contact: Tom LaFrance 602-549-3937
Dana 30, narrow track. 3.54 gears, open carrier.
New axle tube seals, new pinion seal, new axle U-joints, new brakes including rotors and calipers.
Some assembly required. Make me an offer.
Tom LaFrance
36494 From: Tom LaFrance <tlafrance@j...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 2:46pm
Subject: Run for Sun Dec 9th??
How about a run somewhere around Florence Jct this Sun? Something nice
and relaxing like Box Canyon or Coke Ovens? I don't know either trail
well enough to lead, but maybe someone would like to volunteer?
Tom
36495 From: hiett710 <hiett710@y...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 2:52pm
Subject: Re: Lurkin northwestsider
Josh,
I'm pretty new too but I've found in the 3 weeks that I've had my
Jeep the RIGHT NOW upgrades I did are working well and allowing me to
go alot of places the BIG guys are going I just have to be more
carefull. I put on a little bigger tires (30's to be exact) and
Teraflex Swaybar Quick Disconnects from Macromotive.com. (call their
local number and ask for the VJC Discount) I'm looking into a
Teraflex Gastank skidplate to replace the stock one and a front diff
guard... with thoose I'd say you can run any 3.0 comfortably and a
3.5 carefully..don't forget your rockerpannel guards either. They can
be very usefull...
Mike
Yellow 2002 TJ
Coil Springs are better.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "pebble007" <pebble007@y...> wrote:
> Hello all,
> Have had my 99tj for about a month and want to do some
> upgrades and need suggestions. This is my daily driver and I put
on
> about 3000 miles per month. I want to do a lift and tires but do
not
> want to sacrafice handling, mileage (what there is to begin with)
> etc..etc to much. Basically I do a lot of camping and wheeling
> around in the florence junction and rim country but I don't
> nessecarilly need to be a monster rock crawlin god. Any advice or
> ideas would be appreciated.
> Thanks in advance
> Josh
> 99tj
36496 From: rlpeckii <rlpii@q...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 4:17pm
Subject: Re: [FS] Full CJ Grey soft top
Matt,
Might help if you gave the year and if it was for a CJ-5 or a CJ-7.
Just a thought,
rlp
--- In az_vjc@y..., AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...> wrote:
>
36497 From: jaylalib <jaylalib@h...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 4:37pm
Subject: Re: Lurkin northwestsider
Josh,
Sell your jeep before it's too late! While you still have money in
the bank!!!!!!!!!!!!
-- In az_vjc@y..., "hiett710" <hiett710@y...> wrote:
> Josh,
>
> I'm pretty new too but I've found in the 3 weeks that I've had my
> Jeep the RIGHT NOW upgrades I did are working well and allowing me
to
> go alot of places the BIG guys are going I just have to be more
> carefull. I put on a little bigger tires (30's to be exact) and
> Teraflex Swaybar Quick Disconnects from Macromotive.com. (call
their
> local number and ask for the VJC Discount) I'm looking into a
> Teraflex Gastank skidplate to replace the stock one and a front
diff
> guard... with thoose I'd say you can run any 3.0 comfortably and a
> 3.5 carefully..don't forget your rockerpannel guards either. They
can
> be very usefull...
> Mike
> Yellow 2002 TJ
> Coil Springs are better.
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "pebble007" <pebble007@y...> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > Have had my 99tj for about a month and want to do some
> > upgrades and need suggestions. This is my daily driver and I put
> on
> > about 3000 miles per month. I want to do a lift and tires but do
> not
> > want to sacrafice handling, mileage (what there is to begin with)
> > etc..etc to much. Basically I do a lot of camping and wheeling
> > around in the florence junction and rim country but I don't
> > nessecarilly need to be a monster rock crawlin god. Any advice
or
> > ideas would be appreciated.
> > Thanks in advance
> > Josh
> > 99tj
36498 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 4:55pm
Subject: [FS] Lifted 93 ZJ and 92 YJ for sale
Price: $9,700 and $10,300 obo
Contact: xtrmlife@aol.com
Hey everyone I haven't posted on here or been on any trail rides in a looooong time. I've been busy with my new job and trying to decide whether to keep my jeep or not. I've finally decided to sell it and my brother is also selling his. You can find all the info on them at http://jeffscars.tripod.com/intro.html They will also be in the truck trader next week. If you have any questions or would like to see them please contact me.
Jeff (aka ZJDreams)
602-614-4748
36499 From: jeepindog <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 5:15pm
Subject: Re: Table Mesa this Saturday?
I am up for anything that is runnable in a TJ with a 4 1/2"
lift, 35s and f/r lockers! :o) Preferably no body damage, though.
Anyone want to go 'wheelin this Saturday???
Lachlan
In az_vjc@y..., "Nick Gasmena" <horizon@h...> wrote:
> what are you planning to run on saturday? I might wanna do raw
deal or
> something (upper and lower)
>
> Nick Gasmena - nickg@h...
> -----------------------
> Horizon Web Site - Http://www.HuskiesOnline.Com
> My Jeep Pictures - http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> My 4x4 Site - Http://www.huskiesonline.com/offroad
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jeepindog" <jeepindog@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 7:10 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Table Mesa this Saturday?
>
>
> > Thanks to Rick at Discount Tire, I am now ready to
go 'wheelin.
> > I was wondering if anyone is up for a trip to Table Mesa on
> > Saturday. I need to try out my new lift and tires... hint, hint!
> >
> > Lachlan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
36500 From: Mike Beach <mikebeach2002@y...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 5:16pm
Subject: Re: Great purchase experience
paparoach85251 wrote:
Since we do so much vendor and product bashing on the BB, I thought I
would take the time to post a recent positive buying experience.
Santa is bringing me a new set of Tera upper and lower control arms
for Christmas this year. I guess I have been a good boy.
While researching prices for the control arms I found a small offroad
shop in San Fran named Jeepers and Creepers, look them up at
www.jeepersandcreepers.com. They had the lowest price anywhere on the
control arms with shipping included and no sales tax... nowhere else
came close. I talked to James at their store and he knocked some more
off the price while we were on the phone. He was very knowledgeable
about the Tera product line and jeeps in general and made me feel
very comfortable about my purchase. In all, it was one of the most
pleasurable buying experiences I have ever had. If you are in the
market for any Tera products or offroad gear, you owe it to yourself
to check this place out. I highly recommend them.
Les R
Now if I can only convince Santa to let me open my present early!
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
I just ordered all of my X-mas presents from him as well. On eof the nices jeep people Ive ever talked too. he got everything on time as promised. Very good guy Higly recommend him
Mike Beach
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36501 From: wisardd1 <Wisard1@e...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 5:25pm
Subject: YJ "It's a swamper kind of day"
Hey, this is Dale from Ca. I ran the upper woodpecker trail with you
at the Arizona Jamboree. I am currently writing another article for
the web and I have some pics of you doing fire hole. If you could
send me an email. Also, diane, are you out there? You're gonna be
mentioned too, as the ever so sweet Diane!. Anybody else who has
some good pictures of that day let me know and I will use them and
mention you. This is the last article I wrote. I was testing the
Super 35 Ox.
http://www.gdi-jeepheads.com/super_35_ox_verses_jackhammer.htm
Wisard aka dale
36502 From: jeepindog <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Thu Dec 6, 2001 5:29pm
Subject: Table Mesa or Florence Jx
I can't believe that with all of our members there aren't 10
trips posted for every single weekend of the BEST season to go
Jeepin' in AZ!!! I would post a trip, but in my limited knowledge of
locations and directions, it would be a fiasco that may require a lot
of backtracking and yelling! Ha ha!
So, somebody take pity on me and show me a cool trail. I want
to bite onto some rocks with the new 35s! And the boulders I've
driven on in a vacant lot near home do NOT count as Jeepin'!
Anybody?
Lachlan