09.23.2006 Fr-98 nightrun (backwards)

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

We will meet at barlett lake pay station and head out around 8:00PM..trail is a 3.0 so stock jeeps can make it, may have trouble in the ever so changing rock garden!!!! May be the last night run of the year!!!!!!

Directions west/east side: Take 101 to pima rd, head north 12 miles, make right at cavecreek rd 5 miles, make right at bartlett dam rd 10 miles to paystation!!!

ETA:3-4hrs..depending on rock garden!!!!

Channel 4

Bring a sweater and warm clothes the temps at the lake can be 15 degrees less than the valley at night!!!

Call Jason 602-751-7382

[DesertX04]

Does this trail loop so that you end at the pay station? What kind of timeframe are you expecting?

[Tony_T]

Im there!

[Superjeeper]

I'm in!

[David C]

Does this trail loop so that you end at the pay station? What kind of timeframe are you expecting?

This trail does not loop back to the lake. It heads east into the mountains and back down into a very rocky wash/canyon that comes out at Hwy 87 (Beeline Hwy) about 5.5 miles south of Sunflower, 13.5 miles north of Bush Hwy intersection. This is a great trail, but the last 1.5 miles in the rocky canyon will take you some time to get through. The rocks were quite a challenge in places, I would say a maybe 4.0 ranking for 1 or 2 obstacles. At night, I would suggest some good lighting underneath your rig.

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

Does this trail loop so that you end at the pay station? What kind of timeframe are you expecting?

No loop, But you can exit the trail head south by fort mc dowel, cut through the res and take dynamite back to cavecreek rd..seems faster..less traffic!!!!

Jason

[DesertX04]

No loop, But you can exit the trail head south by fort mc dowel, cut through the res and take dynamite back to cavecreek rd..seems faster..less traffic!!!!

Jason

You've taken that route after a night run some time ago. Way better than the freeway. I'm going to have to pass on this run. I may actually be doing the Crown King trail in the afternoon. A shakedown run for my new CB antenna mount. :D

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

You've taken that route after a night run some time ago. Way better than the freeway. I'm going to have to pass on this run. I may actually be doing the Crown King trail in the afternoon. A shakedown run for my new CB antenna mount. :D

Must have been sycamore or sunflower????

[DesertX04]

Must have been sycamore or sunflower????

I think it was sycamore. At the end it was just you, me and Frenchy. It may have been towards the end of last summer?? I was still on 33's at the time.

[Skii4x4]

What is the meeting time?

[mingoglia]

Won't your neck get sore driving backwards an entire trail? Or do you use your side mirrors?

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

Meeting time is 7:30PM and leave for trail by 8:00PM

Ps. I drive alot slower backwards!!!!!

[AZG23]

Ps. I drive alot slower backwards!!!!!

I dont believe it....not for a second...:eek:




Jason....does this one cross the river too..?? or was it the same thing we ran awhile back.?? I cant remember now...I may be down for this...Im camping fri night up on Mingus, and heading back sat afternoon with the kids...

If it does cross...whats the flow right now..??

[Calizonia]

count me in! see ya there. did you say water.. oh nooo.. my rock lights are gonna get wet.

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

I dont believe it....not for a second...:eek:




Jason....does this one cross the river too..?? or was it the same thing we ran awhile back.?? I cant remember now...I may be down for this...Im camping fri night up on Mingus, and heading back sat afternoon with the kids...

If it does cross...whats the flow right now..??

The start will be the watercrossing should be low....I'll check later

[Lifes A Jeep]

The start will be the watercrossing should be low....I'll check later


What's the link for checking the water levels?

Thanks

[AZG23]

ohhh..ok I remember now...

[AZG23]

What's the link for checking the water levels?

Thanks


http://waterdata.usgs.gov/az/nwis/uv/?site_no=09510000

here ya go Lifes A Jeep....

if Im reading that right....looks like its about 6-7 inches...

[theksmith]

I'm in (XJ, 4.5", 31")!

Can my friend with an 86 4runner on 31's (It's IFS) do this trail?

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

Your friend might have some trouble..does he have a locker or traction device????


Looks shallow to me!!!!!
http://waterdata.usgs.gov/az/nwis/uv/?site_no=09510000&PARAmeter_cd=00065,00060


See you all there!!! Sign up if you have not....

[RokNRich]

We will meet at barlett lake pay station and head out around 8:00PM..trail is a 3.0 so stock jeeps can make it, may have trouble in the ever so changing rock garden!!!!
[B]ETA:3-4hrs..depending on rock garden!!!!

Channel 4

Bring a sweater and warm clothes the temps at the lake can be 15 degrees less than the valley at night!!!

Call Jason 602-751-7382


Jason,
I'm not trying to rain on your parade, but I think you are being overly optimistic on the time and equipment requirements for this run. I ran it last week with one other rig, both rubicons on 33's, tummy tuckers, winch's etc., and it took us almost 7 hours in the daytime. Some of that time was route finding, but for the most part we were driving the whole time, no long breaks, minimal picture taking etc. I would imagine a bigger group, at night, will take at least that much time without any setbacks.

The trail is quite a bit tougher than it was a coiuple of years ago, here's a couple of threads everyone should read:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/showthread.php?t=16167&page=2
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/showthread.php?t=16598

All I'm saying is be ready for bit of a challenge out there tomorrow, there is a nasty washout on the way up which will be no fun if someone were to fall in, make sure you guys have plenty of recovery gear, straps and winches, etc. It's also overgrown as hell, so you will get some serious az pinstriping, and the rock garden is now a couple of miles long instead of the 1/4 mile it used to be.

I would advise at least 33's, some form of traction aid (LSD or above), and a willingness to scratch and claw your way through this trail. Oh, and plenty of beverages ;)

From the trail rating page, (http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/showthread.php?t=13810) I'd call it a 3.5 in it's current state:
Rating 3.5 Hard Trail
Description Some rocky sections, bypasses at most major obstacles. Some body damage possible. Rocker panel and rear quarter panel protection helpful.
Vehicle and Equipment Upgraded bumpers (Useable as a hi-lift point), rocker panel skids, skid plates, Hi-Lift, 32" Tires, Rear locker
Example Judgement Day, Upper Terminator, Lower Terminator, Predator, Rocker Panel Pass, Martinez Canyon (not Cabin), FR42 (after heavy rainfall or when it is wet)

Taking off mature adult hat now. Have fun !

PS - Is your avater big enough ?

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

i have run this trail 3 times this year and last it was trimmed back pretty good!!!! When did you run this trail last????? The worst was the first time in november when we were plowing through trees like it was a rain forest!!!!! In may someone in our group ran 31's and made it through!!!

[RokNRich]

When did you run this trail last?????

Last week, obviously you didn't read my post because it was clearly stated.:rolleyes:


I'm not so much worried about you making it through, as I am some one who hasn't ran it, just a heads up, like I said, have fun but be prepared.

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

Sounds like the Min requirements for this trail are 31" tires and a traction device!!!!! Got upgraded to a 3.5

Call me if you have any questions

Jason 602-751-7382

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

Update on time for this trail to be complete Start 8:00PM
Allow 5-6 hrs to complete trail..if everything goes smooth.

[Superjeeper]

I'm gonna hafta cancel on this one:(

[VIVIsectI]

Jason, I ran this trail 2 weeks ago, it has completely changed from when we ran it a few months ago. Look for anyone that comes out underequiped to have a really interesting time. The trail is not so much over-grown as it is over-run with debri, trees, logs and rocks. Rocks that were previously embedded into the boulder field have been moved hundreds of yards down the trail. Have fun on this one guys, but make sure you take your GPS because you won't recognize this trail any more.

[AZG23]

Im out....Jeep woes....

Gotta bad squeal coming from the Xfer case area...gotta figure it out.

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

I'm always down for a interesting night!!!!!:D See you guys out there!!!;)


Jason

[Calizonia]

i just got home. AWESOME run, and AWESOME people!

[AZG23]

how many rigs went..?

[Calizonia]

a total of 8...

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

Great run!!!! The trail was insane..a strong 3.5..maybe 4.0 in some spots!!! Thx to all that showed...got the river crossing on gps..so next time we can breeze thru!!!!!! 3 virgin jeeps.....NO longer virgins!!!!!!!!! 1 scraped fender and skids, 1 bent front fender:eek: and 1 bent rubicon rock rail..No biggie we all had fun!!!! POST some pics!!!

Jason

[smak45]

Nothing bent on the stocker yo. Thanks for a killer night all. Nice to meet new friends.

Brandon

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

Never knew a stock jeep could do a trail that damaged!!!!:eek: WOW..what a run!!!

[Tony_T]

$%^# - Did I get my butt chewed walking in the door at 8:45 this morning after I told my wife I would be home around 3 maybe 4 at the latest. I literally got home and had to get ready for work.


However, I had a blast. :cool: Maybe I was a bit hard on the rockers at times, I like the pivoting technique, but I sure had fun doing it. :) No Big deal, no body damage and it will get covered up anyway when I put my PSC's on.

I learned a great deal about riding, as well as how im going to build my jeep.

Thank you to everyone that attended,

I got lots of pics. I'll post them up tonight.

Need sleep..:(

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

Still no sleep!!!:D

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

Where are all the pics?????


PICS PICS PICS PICS

[Tony_T]

Here's a few, the rest can be viewed here:
http://s71.photobucket.com/albums/i128/tonybtownsend/?start=20

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[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

Great pics Tony T. very nice meeting you, got to wheel again!!!

[theksmith]

My friend Paul that rode along grabbed alot of pics too, but he is out of town for the week... I'll post when he gets back and gives them to me!