rock guards

[shannonmac]

looking for some advice and prices to get rock guards for the jeep, seeing as the sidesteps shall be coming off..
thanks!

i saw the ones that had the lip that went around and under, giving a little bit more protection...that's pretty much what i'm interested in

[mingoglia]

looking for some advice and prices to get rock guards for the jeep, seeing as the sidesteps shall be coming off..
thanks!

i saw the ones that had the lip that went around and under, giving a little bit more protection...that's pretty much what i'm interested in

I rate my Poison Spyder sliders a 9 out of 10. They're really stout and you'll never bend them. With this stoutness comes the ability to even hi-lift on the rock slider part of it. The only thing I'm disappointed with is they don't protect the tub by where the front mounting slot is. I've never liked that and last month I in fact bent my tub right where that spot is. If I took an impact a few inches back I would have had the support of the solid plate of the sliders. The sliders for the Unlimited completely protect the tub even in the front. I'm not sure why these weren't designed that way. It's almost like they were afraid of covering the tub drain hole in that area. You really probably don't know what I'm talking about but others that have or have installed these will prolly know.

Mike

[shannonmac]

so that is a recommendation?
i think i know what you're saying...

[ThumpAZ]

We can get a set custom fit to your rig. just call Todd and go over the particulars with him... or I guess you could talk to Dave now, too. That's gonna take some getting used to!

[shannonmac]

ok thanks!
now are they all custom fit?
i was trying to see if i can get something for this weekend...or is that just out of the question?

[ThumpAZ]

Hmm, it's possible. You'll need to call Todd and arrange something like that, first thing in the morning at 480 288-4213.
You'll notice that we don't do a lot of pre-fabbed stuff, especially not finished kits. There are too many nuances in the vehicles and their condition. Then you have situations like Mike described. We could find out exactly what you want and do it right the first time. Or even after looking at a vehicle together, you can see different things that might come in to play and need to be addressed.

[Spongebob]

I like the Toys By Troy rock steps. They are very heavy duty and the quality is great. The PSC steps are good too, I just don't like the laser cut out spider on them. That is a weak point in the steel and when it hits a rock it will dent it in. As a matter of fact, I really don't like anything with a laser cutout in it. Some of the TBT stuff is like this as well.

[shannonmac]

ok great thanks glenn!

[fatbob309]

x2 on giving Todd a call.

[Superjeeper]

You should leave the chromies on until you get a replacement...I think they served their purpose, The only drag is they are so deep or fat, the sliders will just give you "extended" length of protection, as well as an inch or two.

[AZXJ]

ok great thanks glenn!

Shannon,

Glenn wasn't paying attention... We are having a group buy on Rocker protection.. click the link below to view the details and picts..

http://virtualjeepclub.com/showthread.php?t=16081

Take care
Dave

[joedokes28]

http://www.rokmen.com/MercSWBsliders.html

Some of the best sliders out there and wheel well to whell well coverage. I will be buying these when I'm ready. Shop vendors online for better prices.

[rosshh]

I have the shrockwork ones, covers underneath almost to the frame and the area where the drain hole is covered as well. http://www.shrockworks.com

[Wayco]

I am very satisfied with my Toys by Troy rock steps. I put them on myself, it was easy. They have taken alot of abuse without any damage to my tub. When I bought them I wasn't looking for a good deal, I was looking for the most functional unit available. Brian attached his A-piller from his cage to them, so you know they are very stout.
Shannon, don't rush out and just get something for the weekend, this is a very important part of your protection, look at some of the rigs around you and base your decision on what looks right for you. Even though we give you a hard time about the chrome nerf bars, they serve the purpose until you decide what you really want.
If you want to look at mine,:eek: (rock steps, you perverts) let me know, I will be here all day. (and I still have the power washer if you want it.) :D

[thedon]

My company has a set the are made from 2" 120 wall tubing and mount in 3 places and work great. The mount to the frame in the front and rear and at the center body mount. Daystar rack rails.Here is a photo of what the look like. thats the best photoi have at home.

[live24wheel]

I like the Toys By Troy rock steps. They are very heavy duty and the quality is great. The PSC steps are good too, I just don't like the laser cut out spider on them. That is a weak point in the steel and when it hits a rock it will dent it in. As a matter of fact, I really don't like anything with a laser cutout in it. Some of the TBT stuff is like this as well.

Except for that if you get the tube on the slider it completely protects the cutout. I have Poison Spyder sliders and absolutely love them, I have beat on them pretty hard and they hold up well. The cool thing is that they go to the frame, super stout.

[shannonmac]

I'm not going to pretend that price isn't a factor b/c it is...but i definitely want to get the best i can for a reasonable price. gotta just shop around i guess.

[4 Wheelers Supply]

We have the Warn rock sliders in stock. Call me for a great price. Also we are about to become a Poison Spyder Master W.D. stay tuned for some specials.:)

[tyota]

We have the Warn rock sliders in stock. Call me for a great price. Also we are about to become a Poison Spyder Master W.D. stay tuned for some specials.:)


I was curious if you guys were going to take over that spot

[shannonmac]

i tried to look online at the warn ones...but there wasn't a picture zoomed in...doesn't anyone have a pic of theirs if they have them, and how do they like them...
i did check out the toys by troy ones, and those do seem to have everything that i'm looking for.

[live24wheel]

i tried to look online at the warn ones...but there wasn't a picture zoomed in...doesn't anyone have a pic of theirs if they have them, and how do they like them...
i did check out the toys by troy ones, and those do seem to have everything that i'm looking for.

Wait a little while for them to become a Poison Spider dealer. I am really impressed with the PSC Rock Sliders, warn ont the other hand, I have seen those bent and dented.... You wont go wrong with Poison Spider.

[Stu Olson]

Troy's guards do a good job and then some.

Here are a couple of photos taken of my TJ. The 2nd photo was taken after I finished Die Hard earlier this year. Had it not been for the rocker guards and the side sliders, I wouldn't have had a body left on the TJ. :eek:

If you want some close up photos of the product during its install, click here (http://www.stu-offroad.com/guards/tbtrocker/rg-1.h).

http://www.stu-offroad.com/guards/tbtrocker/rg-15.jpg


http://www.stu-offroad.com/guards/tbtrocker/rg-17.jpg

[shannonmac]

decision decisions decisions


imagine if i was trying to buy shoes!

<--------laughing at myself...

[shannonmac]

thanks stu...i am def. leaning towards toys by troy
i have heard some good things about the spyder, but i do understand that with a dye cut in it, you're leaving yourself a little vulnerable in that spot...and as murphy's law would go, i'd come down right there!

[live24wheel]

thanks stu...i am def. leaning towards toys by troy
i have heard some good things about the spyder, but i do understand that with a dye cut in it, you're leaving yourself a little vulnerable in that spot...and as murphy's law would go, i'd come down right there!

Are you planning on getting the tube part as well?

[shannonmac]

i think so...thats one reason i like my side steps, getting in and out of the jeep

[live24wheel]

i think so...thats one reason i like my side steps, getting in and out of the jeep

Okay, you aren't going to come close to the cut out at all. Besides, what is stronger? Mounting to 2 mounts on the frame or bolting through the sheetmetal floor....

[Stu Olson]

Okay, you aren't going to come close to the cut out at all. Besides, what is stronger? Mounting to 2 mounts on the frame or bolting through the sheetmetal floor....
If you are referring to mine, they don't bolt to the frame.

Edit: And I agree with you....I wouldn't buy a set that bolt to the frame either. They work for some folks....but not for me.

[Stu Olson]

thanks stu...i am def. leaning towards toys by troy

I live on the west side of the valley, near 67th Ave. and Camelback.

If you want to see a well used set first hand, stop by. I'll give you a hammer to beat on them, if you want. :D

[azcharlie]

I really like my TBT's rock sliders. Mine looks like Stu's. Whatever you get get the ones with the step's or tubes. They also help with keeping the rocks away from your jeep and you can pivot on them.

[live24wheel]

I live on the west side of the valley, near 67th Ave. and Camelback.

If you want to see a well used set first hand, stop by. I'll give you a hammer to beat on them, if you want. :D

I will up that, I will give you a hammer and a wrench to take them off so I can repaint all the scratches from beating on them so hard! hahahaha, sorry guys im just having some fun. :rolleyes:

[TomHatch]

I have the Warn sliders (they work great); for the money I would go with PSC.

[shannonmac]

I will up that, I will give you a hammer and a wrench to take them off so I can repaint all the scratches from beating on them so hard! hahahaha, sorry guys im just having some fun. :rolleyes:

i think that falls under manual labor! lol!

[Stu Olson]

I will up that, I will give you a hammer and a wrench to take them off so I can repaint all the scratches from beating on them so hard! hahahaha, sorry guys im just having some fun. :rolleyes:
If YOU are going to refinish them, I just might take you up on that. ;)

One of these days, I'll remove the rocker gaurds, side sliders, and corner guards, introduce them to a flapper disc (to get those finger slicing section smoothed over), and then get them powder coated. Should be good for another 3 or 4 years (with any luck). :)

[BEETROOT]

Not sure if you were still looking for a picture of the Warns, but here are mine...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/beetroot/PICT1797.jpg

[4 Wheelers Supply]

Not sure if you were still looking for a picture of the Warns, but here are mine...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/beetroot/PICT1797.jpg

Thanks Beet. The Warns are a very clean fit. :)

[shannonmac]

do the warn ones come with a step, i like the troy ones b/c of the tube rock step

[tyota]

shannon, if 4ws picks up the poison spyder line, then wait and get some of those, I think the warn ones suck, but anything is better than nothing. I think the PSC ones are by far the best, second would be troys, just don't do the warn if you can wait

[shannonmac]

i can wait
i just want to make sure i make the right decision. i don't want to be spending money where i don't need to be, or buying things twice.

[tyota]

then just wait until 4ws gets something going, if they pick up the line, I'm sure they will make an annoucement, then go get some, FYI these are really easy to install so save yourself a few bucks and do the install youself

[live24wheel]

i can wait
i just want to make sure i make the right decision. i don't want to be spending money where i don't need to be, or buying things twice.

Right decision= Poison Spider!

[DsrtJeeper]

I feel the TBT units are some of the very best. Keep in mind that I've never owned or used them, but they plain work. Warn, Poison Spyder, etc... do not run up the body as high as TBT's. The TBT units are actually notched around the word "Jeep." The strongest part of the tub in that area is the curved edge at the bottom of the door opening. I've had rocker guards that sit lower and after much abuse; they push the tub inwards at the top edge.

Now there is a benefit to the Warn design with no bars welded on. Nerf bars banging on rocks tend to add leverage to the rocker guards pushing in the body. When you come down hard on the nerf bars; they push in the top edge of the rocker guards and pull away at the bottom edge. I've seen rocker guard bolts ripped out of the body due to this. This would only apply to those who do some serious crawling though. ;)

See the crease under the door opening:

http://sports.webshots.com/photo/547813214/2679030250056867433DvcQHX

[live24wheel]

I feel the TBT units are some of the very best. Keep in mind that I've never owned or used them, but they plain work. Warn, Poison Spyder, etc... do not run up the body as high as TBT's. The TBT units are actually notched around the word "Jeep." The strongest part of the tub in that area is the curved edge at the bottom of the door opening. I've had rocker guards that sit lower and after much abuse; they push the tub inwards at the top edge.

Now there is a benefit to the Warn design with no bars welded on. Nerf bars banging on rocks tend to add leverage to the rocker guards pushing in the body. When you come down hard on the nerf bars; they push in the top edge of the rocker guards and pull away at the bottom edge. I've seen rocker guard bolts ripped out of the body due to this. This would only apply to those who do some serious crawling though. ;)

See the crease under the door opening:

http://sports.webshots.com/photo/547813214/2679030250056867433DvcQHX



Hmm My Poison Spyder Sliders come up just as high as Troys and have a the cut out as well....

[shannonmac]

yeah i saw that the spyders had the cut out too
i'm really just chocking this up to personal preference...it really seems like the people who have the spyders are very satisfied and the people who have the TBT are really satisfied too...
between the two of those, it may just come down to cash and which one my bf thinks he can install for me (I'm not allowed to play with drills ;))

[4 Wheelers Supply]

yeah i saw that the spyders had the cut out too
i'm really just chocking this up to personal preference...it really seems like the people who have the spyders are very satisfied and the people who have the TBT are really satisfied too...
between the two of those, it may just come down to cash and which one my bf thinks he can install for me (I'm not allowed to play with drills ;))

"bf" barflys? bathroomfixtures? Bronco fans?:rolleyes:

[mingoglia]

shannon, if 4ws picks up the poison spyder line, then wait and get some of those, I think the warn ones suck, but anything is better than nothing. I think the PSC ones are by far the best, second would be troys, just don't do the warn if you can wait

I'm going to have to agree with Nick here. The Warn ones "suck" as Nick puts it (on edit, I'm using the term suck as a relative term to many other offerings for this same product.) . They're just not in the same category as others mentioned. No offense Simon, you know I love you man, but not everything Warn is the best choice. With that being said, depending on what you plan on doing with your rig the Warn ones could serve you well. When examining the Warn ones I get the feeling some bean counter at Warn Industries said, "we need to broaden our market, what slider can we create at minimum cost to enter a new vertical?" yeh, the bevel at the bottom looks cool, but it really isn't that functional and if anything weakens the corner.

I'm a big fan of Poison Spyder stuff but as with everything out there there are things I like about their stuff and things I don't (such as how their cages attach). I believe the PSC are the strongest out there however like I said earlier I really really wish they protected the front portion of the tub a bit better. I've seen some Unlimited versions and they do have coverage up there. PSC sliders are very very stout. If you pick up a pair, then pick up a pair from Warn you'll see the difference.

I'll differ slightly with Nick as I believe the Rokmen ones are a very close second with Troy's a close third. I believe these 3 sliders are the measuring stick for others to live up to. The only thing I dislike about the Troy sliders is how they bolt (exposed) on the bottom of the rig. The Rokmen are completely flush. In contrast, I believe PSC has the right idea with the body mounts. Might as well, they're there, they're strong, and they do the job. Where Troy's is far superior to the PSC sliders is that they have a slot under the drain hole where cages on TJ's typically bolt through. How I wish the PSC sliders had this slot...but it doesn't.

With regards to the bars on the sliders I wouldn't consider a slider with out them. It's amazing how effective they are to pivot around obstacles. I would never consider a rock slider without them (at least for the wheeling we do here in AZ). On a stout slider like the PSC, Rokmen, or TxT you can use this as a hi-lift jack point without any risk of the slider bending.

And yes, Eric, the PSC sliders come about as high as Troy's. I too have the cutout under the word Jeep... Troy's may be a fraction of a inch higher though.

As for the laser cut Spyder emblem many don't like any markings on the side of junk they buy. I respect that. With regards to strength the PSC are really really stout, I'd never worry about that as being a weakness. Besides, with the slider bars it covers up the laser etching so you'd have to completely rip off the bar to even get to it with a rock...and like I said, I'd never consider a slider without this bar.

Mike

[tyota]

"bf" barflys? bathroomfixtures? Bronco fans?:rolleyes:


my vote she meant barflys:D :D









shannon, seriously wait until Simon say's he's got the PSC line and pick them up from him, and......nothing against simon but your barfly...I mean boyfriend could install these himself very easily, worse case scenario I'll stop by and help, just tell your barfly to keep his guns out of sight, I'm an easy target and don't run very fast so its just not fair:cool:

[Wayco]

I agree with Nick, you will probably get a better price from Simon, but you won't get a better rock step than Toys by Troy. Mike is also correct, a cover without a bar is hardly adequate. I have a video of Hyjak pivoting around a large boulder in the snake pit up at the cracks, and the bar took all the weight of the Jeep on that side and all it got was scratched. I dropped off a 3 ft. rock right onto my bar and it didn't dent. I may have been sold a story but Troy told me no one has stronger bar stock than what he uses in his stuff.
I saw you wheel the first time out and had no doubt that you will need good armour if you continue to go out with this gang...:D

Shannon, you sure come up with some great threads!

[shannonmac]

shannon, seriously wait until Simon say's he's got the PSC line and pick them up from him, and......nothing against simon but your barfly...I mean boyfriend could install these himself very easily, worse case scenario I'll stop by and help

that's what i plan to do...
i like to over analyze every move i do, so i don't mind the wait...

just tell your barfly to keep his guns out of sight, I'm an easy target and don't run very fast so its just not fair:cool:

LOL!

[shannonmac]

Shannon, you sure come up with some great threads!

well i have alot of questions and you guys always take the time to answer them for me, so thanks!

[DsrtJeeper]

I'm going to have to agree with Nick here. The Warn ones "suck" as Nick puts it (on edit, I'm using the term suck as a relative term to many other offerings for this same product.) . They're just not in the same category as others mentioned. No offense Simon, you know I love you man, but not everything Warn is the best choice. With that being said, depending on what you plan on doing with your rig the Warn ones could serve you well. When examining the Warn ones I get the feeling some bean counter at Warn Industries said, "we need to broaden our market, what slider can we create at minimum cost to enter a new vertical?" yeh, the bevel at the bottom looks cool, but it really isn't that functional and if anything weakens the corner.

I'm a big fan of Poison Spyder stuff but as with everything out there there are things I like about their stuff and things I don't (such as how their cages attach). I believe the PSC are the strongest out there however like I said earlier I really really wish they protected the front portion of the tub a bit better. I've seen some Unlimited versions and they do have coverage up there. PSC sliders are very very stout. If you pick up a pair, then pick up a pair from Warn you'll see the difference.

I'll differ slightly with Nick as I believe the Rokmen ones are a very close second with Troy's a close third. I believe these 3 sliders are the measuring stick for others to live up to. The only thing I dislike about the Troy sliders is how they bolt (exposed) on the bottom of the rig. The Rokmen are completely flush. In contrast, I believe PSC has the right idea with the body mounts. Might as well, they're there, they're strong, and they do the job. Where Troy's is far superior to the PSC sliders is that they have a slot under the drain hole where cages on TJ's typically bolt through. How I wish the PSC sliders had this slot...but it doesn't.

With regards to the bars on the sliders I wouldn't consider a slider with out them. It's amazing how effective they are to pivot around obstacles. I would never consider a rock slider without them (at least for the wheeling we do here in AZ). On a stout slider like the PSC, Rokmen, or TxT you can use this as a hi-lift jack point without any risk of the slider bending.

And yes, Eric, the PSC sliders come about as high as Troy's. I too have the cutout under the word Jeep... Troy's may be a fraction of a inch higher though.

As for the laser cut Spyder emblem many don't like any markings on the side of junk they buy. I respect that. With regards to strength the PSC are really really stout, I'd never worry about that as being a weakness. Besides, with the slider bars it covers up the laser etching so you'd have to completely rip off the bar to even get to it with a rock...and like I said, I'd never consider a slider without this bar.

Mike

Troy's are definately higher. I bought PSC's from POR and they still sat below the door sill. Better yet; 45* your rockers and gain clearance. :D

[SHNIPE]

I'm just a "web wheeler", but still can't figure out how my Jeep got all those dents?

Thought you said you hit it with a hammer to get those?? oh i wasnt posed to type that?? nm carry on :D

PSC :D get it before your jeep ends up like mine (although i think my rockers have more clearance than ANY of your jeeps :D)

[Stu Olson]

The only thing I dislike about the Troy sliders is how they bolt (exposed) on the bottom of the rig. The Rokmen are completely flush.
I will admit that the first time I saw this, I was less than impressed. My first thought was that these things will peel off on a rock faster than an un-guarded diff cover.

I've been running mine now for about 3 years. On Monday, I was under the TJ greasing the rear drive shaft and did my usual check of this, that, and especially the other thing. Not a single one of those bolts that hold the rocker guards in place have been touched by a rock. I am not saying they won't contact a rock. But from what I've personally experienced, I'm betting it will be a while before they do. I wish I could say that about the body mounts. :eek:

[Tom Jacobson]

What Stu mentioned above was one of the first things I noted in his pics...that there were hardly any scratches on the bottoms of the sliders. I admit that I was looking particularly for that...as my sliders exhibit exactly the same thing!

Mine aren't any "brand"...just some home made design by a friend of mine. Two 4" plates of 3/16" welded at 90° and attached to the side and under the tube, running wheel well to wheel well. I've got the slider bars as well...1.75"dia x .188 (3/16) wall DOM. If you can dent 'em, you can have 'em!

I was also worried at first about the relatively "short" (4") span of under body protection, but I hardly have a scratch under there. Bolt heads are unscathed as well after ~5-6yrs of use and abuse. The slider bars, on the other hand, are usually mostly bare metal, like Stu's, unless you catch me after the 1x/year I smooth and paint them again.

If I could do them again, I would cover the sides up to the bottom of the door cutout...as I have dented the tub above the guard on at least one side of the Jeep.

Don't know how much PSC or TBT charge for their products, they certainly do seem to work best of the retail sets. But don't rule out custom fab either. It's not as expensive as you might think.

Good luck. Whatever you choose, you'll be much better off than with the chrome jobbers!!!

Tom

[FrenchChili]

Better yet; 45* your rockers and gain clearance. :D

I'm actually gonna do that...cut the body closer to the door and plate it to the frame. I started drawing my project today and doing so seems like there are a lot of benefits doing the rockers that way and not just ground clearance.

[DsrtJeeper]

I'm actually gonna do that...cut the body closer to the door and plate it to the frame. I started drawing my project today and doing so seems like there are a lot of benefits doing the rockers that way and not just ground clearance.

Now you're talking! :)

[DesertX04]

I have shrockworks shrockbars and I'd put them up against any, mainly because of the 'mounting system.' They have additional plating to help with the torque when landing on the bars. Not all have something like this, but I know Rokmen does. I think that is why some allow the tub to get bent.
http://www.4x4rockshop.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=2274

Whichever you choose, make sure they go wheel well to wheel well. Because of that, if I had to buy some again, I'd get Rokmen. Actually, I'd make some.

Also, people have mentioned using the bar as a pivot point. The rocker itself can do the same. I got the bar thinking I could use it as a step, but it's too high and just doesn't work that way. Now I have to worry about getting my slacks dirty getting in and out. I wish the bar were closer to the tub, or no bar. That bar adds a lot to the cost.

Another set that has full coverage.
http://www.raingler.com/shop/products.asp?catID=74

There are many, many out there to choose from.

[michale r varne]

Toys by troy rock steps are the way to go!

[BRUZR]

Troy's are definately higher. I bought PSC's from POR and they still sat below the door sill. Better yet; 45* your rockers and gain clearance. :D

I was going to do that with the original BRUZR, but couldn't find anyone who knew anything to help me. It looked like there would have been some structural integrity to deal with... I still like the idea for BRUZR II, but don't tell my wife I want to start cutting on my stock 03...:D

[BRUZR]

I'm actually gonna do that...cut the body closer to the door and plate it to the frame. I started drawing my project today and doing so seems like there are a lot of benefits doing the rockers that way and not just ground clearance.

Do a write-up so Stu can post it up on his site. Take LOTS of pics. <wink wink>

[wannabejeeper]

I like my PSC's, they look good and they'll probably work good...I'll know that when they make they're way from the garage floor to the Jeep!:rolleyes:

[mingoglia]

I like my PSC's, they look good and they'll probably work good...I'll know that when they make they're way from the garage floor to the Jeep!:rolleyes:

It's funny, mine were the same way. I probably had my PSC sliders sitting in my garage for 2 months before installing them. It took me bending my tub a bit on an obstacle to get off my butt to install them. :D Now I use them every trip out scraping against something...

[Spongebob]

The PSC's and TBT sliders are pretty close to one another structurally (at least as far as I have seen). I think that they will both do a really good job. I was looking at Joe Daro's jeep as he runs the PSC sliders and he took a rock right where the spider cut out is which dented the side of the tub. It is not likely that you'll do this, but it is possible.

[wannabejeeper]

Yeah, I've had mine for about 2 mos., I was tinkering around on some dump truck made dirt hills by my old house after I installed my lift and there was apparently a hunk of concrete in ther cause my rocker panel is a lil dented and scratched pretty good!

My sliders will cover it up, but I like having the damage...maybe Jeepers will wave at me now!:D

[Antman]

Mine are home made out of 4" x 4" angle with Snakepit slider/steps and have held up quite good. Cost about $20. But I am gonna make another set that goes all the way to the door sill and wheel well opening to wheel well opening. :)

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7397&stc=1&d=1158948972



http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7398&stc=1&d=1158948715


IF, I was to buy a set, I'd buy Troy's :D

[Huck]

I looked at several mfg's before getting my PSC's. I ran the old Style Oro Fab frame mounted sliders for quite some time. They mounted to the frame in 3 spots and protected my body mounts and the entire underside of the tub. (they work incredibly well) What I liked about them was just how close to the tub they were when mounted. I didn't like the way some sliders have their steps sticking way out (some over 4"s) from the tub/door sill. Nor did I like the way most tub mounted sliders leave your body mounts exposed. When I put on my lift, I need to have the frame rails back and had to switch over to 'tub mounted' slider.
I went with the PSC's over TXT (and a few other designs) because:
1) The 'push off' bar is tucked in closer than most to the tub. The step just doesn't stick out as far as most of the other brands. This was a very big thing for me, but may not be for others.
2) I had seen them work and work well repeatedly.
3) Price

What I don't like about them and most tub mounted sliders:
1) Exposed body mounts (I don't want to buy the kilby clams for them nor have to cut off and raise my body mounts, just yet-to protect them)
2)The lack of end to end protection-some other brands do run the full legnth of the tub.

Outside of having to straighten out a body mount or two they have protected my heep well and I would recommend them.

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

I just laid down on these!!!!!:D


The new Ricochet Rocker ™ is built with the same hardcore toughness as its counterpart the Rocker knocker, with the added utility of a combination 5" step and slider. This rocker protection is the pinnacle in style and convenience. The Ricochet Rocker™ is available for Jeep TJ, Unlimited, YJ, CJ7 and CJ8.

Ricochet Rocker protection can be used alone or in combination with Crusher Corners. The two body armor pieces fit together at the rear flare area. Used together, Ricochet Rockers and Crusher corners form the ultimate protection, guarding your Jeep body from the front wheel well to the tailgate. Sliders are secured with counter sunk 3/8' stainless hardware.

Ricochet Rockers have a distinguishing 5" dimpled plate that acts as a step and a stout reinforcement for the slider. This makes the Ricochet Rocker protection a very effective armor addition and an effective pivot for getting into your rock chariot. Jeep TJ,YJ and CJ7 have three dimples, Unlimited and CJ8 have four.

Ricochet Rockers are further reinforced with additional bracing below the dimpled step. The dual tube support and slider bar is constructed of 1.5" tubing, the step and corner gussets are cut from
1/8" steel plate.

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[Huck]

Those look alot like the PSC Helldorados... I wonder what's the difference. Maybe PSC changed the name.....

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

Yeah..they changed the name..must have had problems with currie????

Jason

[SavageSun4x4]

Lots of talk here about PSC, TbT, Warn etc. By and large they all do a good, great and some even better job. That said at lot is in how you plan to use them, how rough do you plan on treating them?

I have ran 2 sets of TbT and found them to work quite well along with good value for the money.

Later I decided to have a set custom built. I picked the Warn, mostly because they were as good as any at that time and fit what I wanted to do with them. We then took some Sch 40 2 inch pipe and welded them to the Warns. BRUTAL strength.

If I had it to do over again: I would buy a set of sliders that fit a Unlimited and then cut them off to provide more coverage from fender well to fender well. Weld on that Sch 40 pipe. Total cost would be about what you would pay for any premium rock slider or less.

Wheeling trick: If you have the rock sliders that can handle it, then you can use them for a pivot point on your Jeep in getting around obstacles. Just put the slider against a big rock, crank your wheel over hard and give it some go pedal. This will often pivot your Jeep to get your around or change your approach. Good trick if your sliders are up to it:D 0

Bottom line: Be it TbT, PSC, Warn or others just pick your slider based upon your intended use and comfort of price and go for it.

Enjoy:D

[Tony_T]

I found it convienient to use my factory sliders (Rubicon) against the rocks on our trip last night and they did great. Very surprised how they held up. I came down hard on them several times constantly pivoting on the with the weight of the jeep and have only a slight bend in a weak spot where the screw pulled outward from the body.

I will go with the TBT or Poison Spider (rocker Knocker) when Im ready for another mod. Most likely Poison Spider, since I will probably end up with their whole line-up of armor.

[jeff krause]

3/16 x 6" plate welded to another 1/4" x 6" plate like so "L" ....... a few bolts throughthe side and bottom of hte body.. and Presto ......... rocker guards...