Raw Deal Run - Newbie 101

[Cave Gimp]

Well, we are back. It was a great run, not sure how many Jeeps showed up, but it was a bunch. A HUGE thanks to Nick, Barry, and the other guys who helped me and the other newbies through. :D

If anyone has a stock TJ bumper for cheap let me know. I have until Thursday to replace and hide the damage from my wife. :eek:

Now on for the pics and what little carnage there was.

Shannon scratching the pretty nerf bars.
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7194&stc=1&d=1157922488

My dented bumper.
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7195&stc=1&d=1157922488

[Wayco]

Looks like it was a little messy out there. I have something for both of you, Shannon needs my air tools to take off those funky chrome nerf bars, and Cave Gimp need my front bumper....:D

It does look like you all had a good time, let me know when you want to repair the damage, I have shade and power tools available almost anytime. :)

[Cave Gimp]

Well if there's shade, maybe i could make it out there this afternoon. All the drinks I brought for Nick are still cold. Hmmm....

[Phx Cobra]

I had an awsome time as well, meeting a bunch of new people(it was only my second AZVJC run), Myself, and about 3 other jeeps(Snipe, Lifes a Jeep, and Bajachilli) went and tried to run Terminator, but there was just to many people. So we watched for a while, then went and did Lower Raw deal again, then 3 of us attempted upper raw deal but decided it best not to push any further after Snipe had a issue with his serpentine belt.

All in all it was a great day, I got some good trail scars to remember it by:D
Thanks to Nick and all the other guys that helped spot for eveyone and make this a enjoyable Sunday.

[hooligan]

Had a kick arse time, big thanks to Nick and everyone that helped. Never would of taken those lines if Nick didn't put that gun to my head!!!!!!! Had to chnge my pants when I got home.............j/k

[Lifes A Jeep]

Here's a handful of pics from the run...

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l59/Lifesajeep/DSC05813.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l59/Lifesajeep/DSC05815.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l59/Lifesajeep/DSC05818.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l59/Lifesajeep/DSC05820.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l59/Lifesajeep/DSC05831.jpg

[shannonmac]

nice pics!
nerf bars coming off!
thanks to everyone who helped out today, i had a blast!!!

[tyota]

I had fun, I hope everyone learned atleast alittle something today

[ROKCRLR]

I had fun, I hope everyone learned atleast alittle something today

I know at least 1 or 2 of us did.:D Thanks a lot for setting this up Nick. I had a great time!

You rock Bish!:D

[GLEN REAMS]

I had fun, I hope everyone learned atleast alittle something today

ya nick i think we all learned that you dont like nerf bars

[GLEN REAMS]

I had fun, I hope everyone learned atleast alittle something today

ya i think we all learned that nick doesnt like nerf bars poor shannon :D

[Cave Gimp]

Nick did a good job making sure Shannon's line would take out the nerf bars. :)

I'm also thinking Nick doesn't like bumpers either.:rolleyes:



















Or maybe its just my bad driving. :eek:

[GLEN REAMS]

pretty good i thought for not wheeling to much with a stick anyways i had a blast and wish i could of had the xj

[shannonmac]

i feel as though i'm getting mocked here

ahhh everyone pics on the girl :p

[tyota]

i feel as though i'm getting mocked here

ahhh everyone pics on the girl :p



nonsense......their just jealous b/c you made it:D

[twstdtj]

Glad you guys had fun.

Now we need to do the Recovery 101 course. Ill start a seperate post to check for interest

[tyota]

get with me on that if interest is shown, I'd like to see about creating a "to bring" list......for example what tools you'll need exactly, so that people bring only the needed tools, there has been times that I've attempted to help fix/replace parts and the guy has every size socket but the one he needs, and also maybe we can do actual write ups on fixing/replacing things on the trail

[GLEN REAMS]

nonsense......their just jealous b/c you made it:D

haha listen to nick over here trying to be all nice and what not! remember your the one that made her mess them up haha and how about some more picture i know shnipe took a bunch of them

[RussChung]

My dented bumper.
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7195&stc=1&d=1157922488Hmmm. Looks just like my front bumper did after my first Raw Deal run. :D I wonder if we fell into the same hole!!

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7210&stc=1&d=1157953983
(I bought a used replacement bumper from Ed Roten of oemtakoffs.com in Gilbert for $45. His number is 480-329-9509.)
http://oemtakoffs.com (http://oemtakeoffs.com)

[Cave Gimp]

I'm sure it was the same spot. I could try to blame Nick, or my tires, or the water, but its my fault. I had both axles locked and I just pushed through. I like to think of it as "normilizing" my bumper. Now the next time I do Raw Deal, I won't have any issues, the bumper is already out of the way. :D

[shannonmac]

I'm sure it was the same spot. I could try to blame Nick, or my tires, or the water, but its my fault. I had both axles locked and I just pushed through. I like to think of it as "normilizing" my bumper. Now the next time I do Raw Deal, I won't have any issues, the bumper is already out of the way. :D

now that's the spirit!
plus it's a bumper...that's what its there for...to be bumped


with large rocks! :D

[Cave Gimp]

I just means I need a lift and bigger tires. So I guess a second job is in order. :)

[shannonmac]

you and me both
i'm hoping my boyfriend will start up his own business by next spring

so my jeep can reap the benefits
(typical woman...making her man work so she can spend it!)

[Cave Gimp]

My wife thinks the Jeep is hers. My name is on it, I pay for it, but its hers. Thus the reason I had to replace the bumper. :D

[ROKCRLR]

Did anyone else get pictures or video?

[YELACON]

i would also like to thank everyone for the help and most of all experience of the day! for me it was all about the seat time. thanks again and i am too looking for a replacement front bumper and i am also interested in the recovery 101 if we get enough people to do it.

[SHNIPE]

Ive got some pics ill post here once i get to work. I had a lot of fun.

Just wanted to thank Nick, Marty, Barry and anyone else that helped out with this run. I could see a lot of smiles on the trail and even giggles when paint was scratched.

Also a second thanks to Nick, John, Barry and the rest that was patient enough to really give sound advice and encouragement to my 13 year old nephew Mike that drove the whole Raw Deal with the group! This was definately his most favorite trip wheeling with me and you guys didnt hesitate to try and make him feel comfortable and even calm him down a bit when he got a bit too excited. Thank you guys SO much. First thing he did when i got him home was call up his friends and start talkin bout how much fun he had and how everyone clapped when he made some of the obstacles. Seriously... THANK YOU! Ive never had more fun on a wheeling trip and i didnt even drive.

[tyota]

Ive got some pics ill post here once i get to work. I had a lot of fun.

Just wanted to thank Nick, Marty, Barry and anyone else that helped out with this run. I could see a lot of smiles on the trail and even giggles when paint was scratched.

Also a second thanks to Nick, John, Barry and the rest that was patient enough to really give sound advice and encouragement to my 13 year old nephew Mike that drove the whole Raw Deal with the group! This was definately his most favorite trip wheeling with me and you guys didnt hesitate to try and make him feel comfortable and even calm him down a bit when he got a bit too excited. Thank you guys SO much. First thing he did when i got him home was call up his friends and start talkin bout how much fun he had and how everyone clapped when he made some of the obstacles. Seriously... THANK YOU! Ive never had more fun on a wheeling trip and i didnt even drive.



ya that was pretty cool, he was soooooooooooooo nervous you can actually see him holding his breath, but he did really well!! it was actually fun watching him have so much fun

[shannonmac]

wow he was 13...way to go!!!
he was sooooo freaking cute out there, and he did AWESOME!

[weebee]

This was my first time out, Nick you and your support team make this trip GREAT. Thanks for putting this trip together.

[weebee]

I have a frount bumper call Joe 480 225-9895

[YJunk]

Ive got some pics ill post here once i get to work. I had a lot of fun.

Just wanted to thank Nick, Marty, Barry and anyone else that helped out with this run. I could see a lot of smiles on the trail and even giggles when paint was scratched.

Also a second thanks to Nick, John, Barry and the rest that was patient enough to really give sound advice and encouragement to my 13 year old nephew Mike that drove the whole Raw Deal with the group! This was definately his most favorite trip wheeling with me and you guys didnt hesitate to try and make him feel comfortable and even calm him down a bit when he got a bit too excited. Thank you guys SO much. First thing he did when i got him home was call up his friends and start talkin bout how much fun he had and how everyone clapped when he made some of the obstacles. Seriously... THANK YOU! Ive never had more fun on a wheeling trip and i didnt even drive.

Dude I think it was waaayyyyy cool that you let him do that; wish I'd been there to see it.

[etropic]

i feel as though i'm getting mocked here

ahhh everyone pics on the girl :p

haha no....

it's not cause your a girl...

it's cause you have CHROME NERF BARS !!!! ???? !!!!! ????

I'm sure there is a class action suit somewhere for DC even having such and option :)

[mingoglia]

haha no....

it's not cause your a girl...

it's cause you have CHROME NERF BARS !!!! ???? !!!!! ????

I'm sure there is a class action suit somewhere for DC even having such and option :)

Hey, I think the chrome nerf bars are tight. Ok, maybe not. :p

[shannonmac]

ok still being mocked here..
i'm gonna go take my nerf bars and go far, far away


hehe

[mingoglia]

ok still being mocked here..
i'm gonna go take my nerf bars and go far, far away


hehe

It's all in fun. Most of us, including me are so insecure about our own junk that we need to pick on others...it's a way of making us feel better about ourselves. :p :D

[Cave Gimp]

The chrome nerf bars really aren't the problem. They can easilly be fixed by the trail (as we saw yesterday). The real problem is the chrome grill. :D How do you scratch that up with out destroying the bumper? :):P

[SHNIPE]

Had a kick arse time, big thanks to Nick and everyone that helped. Never would of taken those lines if Nick didn't put that gun to my head!!!!!!! Had to chnge my pants when I got home.............j/k

that was awesome that you made that line! Your son didnt wanna ride in the jeep when you were gonna take it but i figured as payback for all the trash talk that he did id convince him to ride with you on that line! Adults always win!

[SHNIPE]

ok still being mocked here..
i'm gonna go take my nerf bars and go far, far away


hehe

This makes me feel SOO much better that everyones pickin on YOU today... It was me on sunday.. Monday is the chicks day.

We all learned something on Sunday. I learned that yes even newbs can make wicked funny jokes about my jeep :(

[shannonmac]

The chrome nerf bars really aren't the problem. They can easilly be fixed by the trail (as we saw yesterday). The real problem is the chrome grill. :D How do you scratch that up with out destroying the bumper? :):P

well once i get to that point...i know the bumper has been destroyed...
it's kind of a like a warning
"this time shannon, you have gone too far! mwahh mwahhh mwahhhhhh"
:p

[hooligan]

don't forget shnipe you got dissed by an eleven year old kid,hahahahah

[shannonmac]

This makes me feel SOO much better that everyones pickin on YOU today... It was me on sunday.. Monday is the chicks day.

We all learned something on Sunday. I learned that yes even newbs can make wicked funny jokes about my jeep :(

lol!
hey, i do what i can to take the heat off you...
:D

[SHNIPE]

don't forget shnipe you got dissed by an eleven year old kid,hahahahah

Donnie somehow i doubt you will EVER let me forget that your kid can talk smack far better than i can! That kid is funny as hell!

I didnt get many pics. I was too excited watchin Mike wheel. I got a few of the back of the pack on the first couple ledges... oh and i made sure i got pics of shannons messed up chrome :D

Mike listening as Nick talked him down the first ledge
http://thumb4.webshots.net/t/26/26/2/81/57/2389281570088952464wHMTpT_th.jpg (http://community.webshots.com/photo/2389281570088952464wHMTpT)

Look at this bling!
http://thumb4.webshots.net/t/28/28/9/77/42/2688977420088952464xIAEjx_th.jpg (http://community.webshots.com/photo/2688977420088952464xIAEjx)

Caves bumber before the tragedy! :D
http://thumb4.webshots.net/t/28/28/9/77/42/2688977420088952464xIAEjx_th.jpg (http://community.webshots.com/photo/2688977420088952464xIAEjx)

Some tatted bastid and his bratty son!! haha Donnie comin down the ledge in MY XJ (good thing you didnt dent it)
http://thumb4.webshots.net/t/59/59/1/90/2/2903190020088952464HXVtnz_th.jpg (http://community.webshots.com/photo/2903190020088952464HXVtnz)

No explanation needed
http://thumb4.webshots.net/t/22/23/9/4/71/2089904710088952464uiRQuU_th.jpg (http://community.webshots.com/photo/2089904710088952464uiRQuU)

Just before Mike stopped breathing on the trail.. Thanks to Nick for reminding him that Oxygen is infact needed to run a trail
http://thumb4.webshots.net/t/34/35/9/20/34/2717920340088952464yfbfKR_th.jpg (http://community.webshots.com/photo/2717920340088952464yfbfKR)

http://thumb4.webshots.net/t/34/34/0/32/27/2142032270088952464SThxZV_th.jpg (http://community.webshots.com/photo/2142032270088952464SThxZV)

http://thumb4.webshots.net/t/32/33/3/89/58/2728389580088952464GrjfLb_th.jpg (http://community.webshots.com/photo/2728389580088952464GrjfLb)
Some other pics here (http://community.webshots.com/album/554049107rJxkqd)

[hooligan]

He really didn't mean to ruin your selfestem, and just now told me he was sorry.

[shortbuskids]

sell ya new set $100.00

[SHNIPE]

haha 11 and he verbally whooped me good! Your kid is cool Donnie

Ben (Phx Cobra) Flexin in the airhole
http://thumb4.webshots.net/t/53/753/3/21/43/2146321430088952464GtSpuv_th.jpg (http://community.webshots.com/photo/2146321430088952464GtSpuv)

[Wind_Danzer]

It's all in fun. Most of us, including me are so insecure about our own junk that we need to pick on others...it's a way of making us feel better about ourselves. :p :D

Is that why you've gone and increased by an optical inch??? You're insecure with your "junk". :D :D :D :p ;)

[shannonmac]

Is that why you've gone and increased by an optical inch??? You're insecure with your "junk". :D :D :D :p ;)

ahhhh the joke i've been waiting for since i joined the board
:p

[SHNIPE]

ruthless as they are relentless!

[FrenchChili]

ruthless as they are relentless!

Hey Shnipess anymore pics you noob?:p

[Wind_Danzer]

Rotflmao... :d :d :d

[danno]

The Chrome Nerfs did their Job... Kept the rockers panels from getting F'ed up.

Smashed rockers = at least 1000 bucks in body repairs.

And I bet you all thought that those things were mean to be steps...

:)

[SHNIPE]

The Chrome Nerfs did their Job... Kept the rockers panels from getting F'ed up.

Smashed rockers = at least 1000 bucks in body repairs.



Didnt cost me that much to repair mine :D

http://www.jeeps-offroad.com/reader-rigs/albums/SHNIPE/DSC00950.sized.jpg

But youre very right danno, like em or not, it kept the rocks off. I have a feeling witht he way shannon drives shes gonna need something a bit stronger next time. Did you see bout a set of rocker knockers shannon?

[SHNIPE]

Hey Shnipess anymore pics you noob?:p

tahts all i had Frenchy. Oh and dont worry Mike let me spot bajachili onto some fun stuff in upper raw. Hes takin good care of it :D youd be proud

[8upXJ]

Sounds like you guys had a good time ... wish I could have gone ... Damn Steering box !!!

[1eagle]

To all that came out, you all did awsome. Thanks to NIck for setting this up. I can not wait to get my junk done so my son can drive that trail. It was nice to meet some new faces. Also, I do not thing that Frenchies old jeep has been wheeled to the degree that it was on Sunday.:eek: We all knew that it had it in it.:D Again to all, I had a good time. See you on the trails another day, hopefully in my jeep:confused:

Roger

[shannonmac]

The Chrome Nerfs did their Job... Kept the rockers panels from getting F'ed up.

Smashed rockers = at least 1000 bucks in body repairs.

And I bet you all thought that those things were mean to be steps...

:)

see and you people thought i had no plan ;)

[SHNIPE]

see and you people thought i had no plan ;)

you trying to imply that you actually DO? or that you just kinda got lucky??

[dflip]

looks like i missed out on a fun and enjoyable run. i have to stop doing the night runs and meet some people in the day. whens the next time you plan on doing another run? hackberry? just let me know and hopefully i can make it out.

[bajatoy]

Didnt cost me that much to repair mine :D

http://www.jeeps-offroad.com/reader-rigs/albums/SHNIPE/DSC00950.sized.jpg

But youre very right danno, like em or not, it kept the rocks off. I have a feeling witht he way shannon drives shes gonna need something a bit stronger next time. Did you see bout a set of rocker knockers shannon?

Hey Shnipe, I'd have given you frenchi's old rockers, but not sure they will fit anymore! I guess no one will ever mistake your Jeep for a trailer queen! Get that belt fixed, I wanna go back and finish Upper Raw Deal! That was some sick sh!t, bish!

[SHNIPE]

Hey Shnipe, I'd have given you frenchi's old rockers, but not sure they will fit anymore! I guess no one will ever mistake your Jeep for a trailer queen! Get that belt fixed, I wanna go back and finish Upper Raw Deal! That was some sick sh!t, bish!

THE PHK YOU CALL ME BISH?!

Yeah the belt has about a centimeeter and a half missing off one side. Im gonna swap in a belt for a 4cyl WITHOUT the ac compressor so i dont have to worry bout fixin it. I never use it anyway. The bearing is SHOT! its squeals like a stuck pig but runs fine. I wanna make sure the next time we go i can get YJunk out there too cause his rockers are all pretty and only have a few scratches. I dont think ANY rockers will fit it now without lots of beating and what not so screw it. As long as the doors KINDA work then what the heck. just means i have a bit more clearance :D It was fun spotting you up there. You rocked that line. Hopefully i can lock the rear asap so i can make my jeep do what i wish it could do :D

Dflip ill make sure we get you notice of the next run to get you out there. If you ever wanna go on a trail... just post up taht youre going and im sure someone will jump in with you. Its what i do, if no one else goes then screw em:D i know a few guys that will go no matter when or where

[shannonmac]

you trying to imply that you actually DO? or that you just kinda got lucky??

ok ok ok
you got me...
i was lucky...







...that my jeep didn't come out looking like yours
:p :eek: :D

[tyota]

THE PHK YOU CALL ME BISH?!




thats hilarious!!!
I don't think that one will die down anytime soon:D :D

[1eagle]

ok ok ok
you got me...
i was lucky...







...that my jeep didn't come out looking like yours
:p :eek: :D

IN DO TIME, IN DO TIME, Things will get bent:mad: , cut:( ,twisted :rolleyes: , lifted:D , stretched:eek: . Just remember a jeepers best tool is a BIG HAMMER AND A SAW ZAW:eek:

[shannonmac]

remember to tread lightly and carry a big hammer
hehe

[bajatoy]

:D It was fun spotting you up there. You rocked that line. Hopefully i can lock the rear asap so i can make my jeep do what i wish it could do :D

Thanks for spotting me, that was a freaking blast!! Was pretty effing cool for my first time krawling! Normally its 5 gear pinned through the desert!!! And looking for smooth lines, not the most difficult one you can find!!:eek:

[YJunk]

THE PHK YOU CALL ME BISH?!

... I wanna make sure the next time we go i can get YJunk out there too cause his rockers are all pretty and only have a few scratches...

Hey man it's not my fault. I took my junk to Shnipes Body Shop and that's all I got! I'll try harder next time!!

[SHNIPE]

LOL i laugh even more every time i read something on this board! John, i put mike (babja) on some lines like i did to you your first time out :D he loved every second! But he somehow got lucky and didnt get any dents?? guess i was on an off day :(

Shannon... ummm GRRR jsut wait woman... first dent you get.. youll try and play it off but youll be freakin out inside :D and ill be giggling and pointing at it like HA! :D

[shannonmac]

Shannon... ummm GRRR jsut wait woman... first dent you get.. youll try and play it off but youll be freakin out inside :D and ill be giggling and pointing at it like HA! :D

lol!
i promise i won't cry if you promise to bring the sharpie
:eek: <--------- xx/xx/06

[tyota]

:eek: <--------- xx/xx/06


thats a sign she's planning on it happening this year:D

[SHNIPE]

haha Theres a winning attitude!! id write on my jeep with the dates and location but its too dirty and itd just get scraped off anyway. I laughed when i actually saw it on a jeep for the first time. Rich has a couple autographs on his jeep.

[SHNIPE]

thats a sign she's planning on it happening this year:D

Good eye bish!

[shannonmac]

i'm what they like to call a "realist"
hehe

[shannonmac]

haha Theres a winning attitude!!

...and if i keep hanging out with you guys! :p

[GLEN REAMS]

well i had a fun time this was my first realy big run from the club but to bad i had to ride passenger but it was fun riding passenger with cave gimp and thank you nick for not making him brake his jeep it was my only ride home and i just hope next time my heep is good to go out and get some love dents and scars

[shortbuskids]

then heres a real deal, stock nerfs & stock rock guards, $150.00 waz up?

[Cave Gimp]

Well the new bumper is installed, and the fog light is fixed with some clear duct tape. The new bumper is clean so I'm thinking that will give it away. I may need to find some mud to hide it. :) If anyone has those nice stock fog lights, PM me. The big chunk of glass missing most likely isn't a good thing. :D

[shannonmac]

see duct tape fixes everything!

[Wayco]

See if you can buy the lense from the dealership.

[Vince Evans]

Sorry, I've been under the weather this week so far so I didn't post this earlier in the week.

I was signed up for the Saturday version of the Raw Deal Run and I didn't get the word that it was cancelled::(

We were to meet at 6:15am Saturday morning cause the leader didn’t want to be out in the 100 degree heat.:rolleyes:

I got to the meeting place at 6am and no one was there. I waited till 6:30 and still no one. I left to go to the start of the trail and found no one there. The trail starts with us crossing the Agua Fria river. It was not too high but I didn’t want to cross it alone. I turned around and went back to the freeway exit and found one other jeep that was hoping to be part of this run too. We both waited and talked and noticed the sky was getting darker by the minute. Lightning was sighted and I decided to go up the freeway to Black Canyon City and wait out the storm.

It was quite a storm. Lot of hard rain, lightning and thunder. Being new to AZ, it was interesting to see how fast the creeks and river filled with water.

It took about 30 minutes for the storm to pass and another 30 minutes for the water in the side creeks to go down. I drove North up the freeway to the Bloody Basin Road exit. I had always wanted to go down into bloody basin and see what was there. The road was well graded dirt that was great at the start but then started to get softer and softer. The rain had made the top inch of the roadway very soft and muddy. I went down some hills that I didn’t think I’d be able to get back up.

I made a left turn onto the Great Western Trail, a trail that some are hoping will eventually go from the Canadian Border to Mexico. I went thru some pretty areas. The trail was soft and I had to drive like I was in the snow in Washington. I didn’t take many pictures until I reached to Northern part of this stretch of the trail. I was going South to North and there was only a trail marking sign and the South end where I started.

Here are some pictures of the Saturday Raw Deal Run turned Great Western Trail Run.

Anyway, I had a good time, saw some nice country, didn't bend, brake, or scratch anything so the wife is happy. The worst problem was the $4 in quarters :eek: I used to get just enough mud off to be able to take the Jeep home. The rest of the mud ended up in our driveway.

(I have a new from bumper and ends for sale):D

Vince

http://C:\Documents and Settings\Vincent Evans\Desktop\Digital Pictures\Jeep trips & stuff\Jeep Great Western Trail\09121624

[tyota]

I was signed up for the Saturday version of the Raw Deal Run and I didn't get the word that it was cancelled::(

We were to meet at 6:15am Saturday morning cause the leader didn’t want to be out in the 100 degree heat.:rolleyes:




I'm sorry you didn't see the big bold print saying it was cancelled days ahead of time, maybe next time we should send smoke signals:rolleyes:

[shannonmac]

I'm sorry you didn't see the big bold print saying it was cancelled days ahead of time, maybe next time we should send smoke signals:rolleyes:

i am fluent in smoke signals... sweet!

[mingoglia]

Well the new bumper is installed, and the fog light is fixed with some clear duct tape. The new bumper is clean so I'm thinking that will give it away. I may need to find some mud to hide it. :) If anyone has those nice stock fog lights, PM me. The big chunk of glass missing most likely isn't a good thing. :D

I actually had a big chunk of glass missing from my factory fog light for about a year before I took them off (they still work). Before that I have no idea how long they were broken as a prior owner had it.

Mike

[Vince Evans]

Please don't get the idea that I was pissing and moaning cause I had a good day out wheeling anyway. Being new to AZ there is a lot to see and learn here.

I appreciate you going out to help new folks like me.

I will get the pictures loaded someday when I get it figured out.

Vince:)

[tyota]

Please don't get the idea that I was pissing and moaning cause I had a good day out wheeling anyway. Being new to AZ there is a lot to see and learn here.

I appreciate you going out to help new folks like me.

I will get the pictures loaded someday when I get it figured out.

Vince:)


I'll end up doing that again for those that didn't get a chance, just be sure to keep updated on the post's:D :D

[SHNIPE]

upload the pics to webshots its free and then just post what it tells you to post for MESSAGE BOARDS. they make it easy for you :D

[Wayco]

Hey Vince, give me a call, I can help you with pic's. I can also help keep you updated on whats happening here. (I told you it was cancelled...:D)

[Cave Gimp]

For the price of a new lens, I might as well buy some nice after market lights. :D Something even brighter. For now I'll go with the duct tape fix. If that doesn't work I'll try some JB Weld and bailing wire. Those 3 things fix everything. Just ask my grandpa. :D