D44 info needed

[odyssey731]

OK so this guy wants to sell me the dana 44 from his tj... he claims that the axle came in his jeep when it was stock. i asked him if the jeep had a tow package of if its a sahara or rubicon? he said no its just a regular wrangler 4.0. so my question is... do any "regular " wranglers come with a dana 44 in the rear??? he had a detroit and 4.10's put in the axle and wants $800 for it. i talked him down to $650 so if its a real D44 then im getting a deal. but i dont want to drive to apache junction if the guy is full of crap. what do you guys think???:confused:

[FrenchChili]

with a detroit I think it's a good deal...my 0.02c....mileage on axle and locker???

[SHNIPE]

thought the 44 only came as an option on the saharas but also now comes in the LJs too. did you get any pics??

[Antman]

Why would someone try to sell an axle that wasnt a d44 and try to say it was?
What makes you think he's full of crap?

[odyssey731]

he says he had the axle beefed up just recently and his wife won his jeep in their devorce so he is going to give her a stock jeep, not a trail rig. i just want to know if its a real D44?

[SHNIPE]

drive down and see whats up. whats the guys name? is he on here or another club? i know at least one the bratt pakk live in AJ and if so you cant go wrong with their advice

[odyssey731]

i met the the guy and he claimed to have a dana 37 in the front:o and didnt even know what year the jeep was... hes a bit of a dirt ball if you will. where is the trust in that?

[FrenchChili]

44 is written on the center section if you wanna check.
the center section isn't flat like the 35...more like an off V: (_/
They did come in some Sport and Sahara models but not the X or 4banger.

[SavageSun4x4]

DEPENDING on the year: The TJs had an option of of a D44. If so, it came with the 3:73 gears unless it was a Rubicon.

[odyssey731]

drive down and see whats up. whats the guys name? is he on here or another club? i know at least one the bratt pakk live in AJ and if so you cant go wrong with their advice

i was at safeway getting in my jeep and he stopped me and asked if i was looking for some 4x4 parts:rolleyes: and he was driving a crusty taurus..lol

[Antman]

i met the the guy and he claimed to have a dana 37 in the front:o and didnt even know what year the jeep was... hes a bit of a dirt ball if you will. where is the trust in that?


Ha ha! OK, now I understand. Take someone with you who knows a 44 when they see one and if he had a locker and gears installed, ask to see the receipts for the job.

[odyssey731]

Ha ha! OK, now I understand. Take someone with you who knows a 44 when they see one and if he had a locker and gears installed, ask to see the receipts for the job.

sounds good thanks alot guys!:D

[desertdawg]

I have a 2004 TJ Sport that came with the Dana44 and 3:73 gears.

If this guy approached you at a Safeway and drove a crusty taurus and looks shady, I would be very suspicious. It's either not what he is claiming it is or it's from a stolen vehicle. That's just my gut feeling especially since I have worked similar cases like that in the past. Just my .o2.

[SHNIPE]

here when you go you can take this print out with you :D
http://www.coloradok5.com/axleguide.shtml

http://www.coloradok5.com/techpics/dana44.jpg This is a 44 cover

Ill go with you too if you want! Id love to listen to the bullisht that this guy can spew. Good call Mike. Sounds kinda suspicious but what the hell maybe we can catch the guy in his words and toss the info your way.

[desertfabmotors]

Tell the guy to bring it by the shop. I will check it out for you and make sure it is good and has a Detroit.

Todd

[odyssey731]

Tell the guy to bring it by the shop. I will check it out for you and make sure it is good and has a Detroit.

Todd

sounds good todd i might just take you up on that offer. as of now i have no date for buying the axle but it will be within a week or so.

[danno]

My two cents... The Sahara and Sport TJs had the 44 as an option... Both had the 35 as the standard offering. SE (4 Cyl) and X TJ's did not have a 44 as an option, these should always have the 35 as their original axle.

If they guy is indeed selling a TJ 44 with a Detroit for 650 bucks. This is a smokin deal. You may want to get this settled in a hurry before he sells it to someone else.

[Griz]

My '01 Sport came with a 44 in the rear.
Visual and dealer printout of build sheet said so.

I did buy it used.

[SHNIPE]

Tell the guy to bring it by the shop. I will check it out for you and make sure it is good and has a Detroit.

Todd

yet another reason to love how cool the local shops are! Good deal Todd. Specially since youre already out in BFE :D

[1BLKJP]

Taking Todd up on his offer is definitely the way to go. It would make me a little suspicious because he has 4.10's in it. Unless it came from a Rubicon and it doesn't sound like it did then why would someone go from 3.73 gears to 4.10? If you are looking at it yourself then definitely look for the metal drain plug and a pumpkin that looks like the diagram above.

Hell if Todd looks at it and finds that he has a 44 in the front too give me a shout and I'll rob the guy of the front axle since you are robing him on the rear. :D

[jeepin_in_az]

Yes, my 01 4.0 Sport came with a rear D44 from the factory. It was an option on that vehicle.

[Jeeppeepin]

Back in the day when I first bought my TJ, the dealership told me that all Sahara's come with a D44. I didn't know what one looked like at the time, so I took his word that it had one. Ummmm nope.
Ask the dude if it has a plastic plug or a metal plug. That should give you an idea of what it is on the phone.
Plastic-D35
Metal-D44

If it is a D44, it sounds like a good deal.
Good luck

[Renob]

Ask the dude if it has a plastic plug or a metal plug.
Plastic-D35
Metal-D44This is a good start but can be inconclusive, as a D35 cover may have been changed to one with a metal plug. It is best to know for sure what you are looking at and there are external means of verifying the presents of a locker but opening the diff is really the only good way of discovering what type and brand it may be.

[danno]

Odyssey... Be sure to post up regarding the final word on this axle.... inquiring minds want to know.

[odyssey731]

alright fella's im picking the axle up friday so we will see how things go:cool:

[k7mto]

Try and get the BOM off the axle tube. That'll tell you exactly what it is and where it came from.

Speaking of 44's, mine (Scout rear/Waggy front) are finally cleaned up and ready for gears/lockers....

http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=1520&d=1156472934

[lilbluej]

alright so corey(odyssey731) and i just cracked open the new axle he picked up and it is a little sketchy. i dont think its a real detroit to start with and the ring only has five bolts holding it onto the limited slip. there is also a broken tooth in the ring and a tight spot in the pinion. the guy said the axle had a locker... and its not so i dont know if its going to be a keeper or not. but give corey some info and tell us if its la-jit... thanks, matt

[odyssey731]

more pics.

P.S. not my gear oil in the pan... check the bling from the broken tooth.
circumferance of the axle tube is 8.5, diameter is 2.5 matts ford 8.8 is 3.5 diameter

[Renob]

It is a D44 and the part number on the carrier is listed as the following:

TRUETRAC LIMITED SLIP. Part #913A590
3.92 & UP R&P, 30 SPLINE AXLES, DANA 44

[mingoglia]

Looks like the part number on the Truetrac using Renob's description would suggest it is in fact a 4.10 ration...or at least the ratio is larger than 3.92.

Mike

[xFallen]

alright so corey(odyssey731) and i just cracked open the new axle he picked up and it is a little sketchy. i dont think its a real detroit to start with and the ring only has five bolts holding it onto the limited slip. there is also a broken tooth in the ring and a tight spot in the pinion. the guy said the axle had a locker... and its not so i dont know if its going to be a keeper or not. but give corey some info and tell us if its la-jit... thanks, matt

I wondered about that. A lot of people who "don't know no better" call anything remotely related to traction control either a locker or a Detroit because limited slip has too many syllables or they simply do not understand ho the magical differential (also too many syllable) works in the first place.

Makes the $650 not so sweet after all. A real Detroit plus gears + axle = $$$.

But, still might be an okay deal at a bunch LESS that the asking $650 now that you klnow what you have and can prove it to the seller. Knowledge is power. Fight the power. Oops. Wrong movement.


It is a D44 and the part number on the carrier is listed as the following:

TRUETRAC LIMITED SLIP. Part #913A590
3.92 & UP R&P, 30 SPLINE AXLES, DANA 44

Don't you just love the BOM?


Barry

[lilbluej]

what do you guys think about the blown gears and the missing ring bolts?
worth the $$$ for the repair? who knows what else is blown

[Renob]

what do you guys think about the blown gears and the missing ring bolts?
worth the $$$ for the repair? who knows what else is blownSuper 44 it with new gears, sell the LS and stock shafts. How do the shafts look?

[mingoglia]

I would gut it (for everything but the shafts if they look fine) and rebuild. Breaking a gear and losing a bolt sounds like the previous owner did the gears, didn't torque it down to spec and/or didn't get the pattern right. Then again I suppose the bolt could have came loose and then got caught in the gear. That's probably the most likely.

I'd say you're looking at the $500+ for a Detroit, $150 for gears, and $125 for a master install kit...plus labor.

Mike

[odyssey731]

well boys i may still have the option to return the axle... do you think its worth keeping since its a bolt in deal or should i pick up a ford 8.8 and work on it for a while...?

[4 Wheelers Supply]

I would gut it (for everything but the shafts if they look fine) and rebuild. Breaking a gear and losing a bolt sounds like the previous owner did the gears, didn't torque it down to spec and/or didn't get the pattern right. Then again I suppose the bolt could have came loose and then got caught in the gear. That's probably the most likely.

I'd say you're looking at the $500+ for a Detroit, $150 for gears, and $125 for a master install kit...plus labor.

Mike

I agree $550 for a Detroit,$125 for a R/P and $75 for a master kit. Transfer your brakes to it and you are ready to go. With a 8.8 (im not a fan) you have to buy all that stuff to. Plus the bracket kit and then have someone weld it all on. When you are all done you still have a c-clip rear end.
The 44 housing sells for $550 new and the axles are $300 a pair new. although the guy misled you you still have a 44 to work with.:)

[odyssey731]

alright well im leaning towards keeping the axle and trying to get gears for now. but i need about 7 of th bolts the hold the rind to the lim-slip. also does anyone know what to tork them to??? i,ll try to get started tomorrow! what are the best gears for running 35"s. note i do drive my jeep everyday...

[SHNIPE]

why not return it and buy the 8.8 thats listed in the for sale section and build that up? its got LS and 373s