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Roachman3700
08-14-2006, 11:08 AM
Hey Guys,

I setup a quick run to the GAP yesterday 3 Total 4x4's 1 TJ, 1 LJ, & and Kick ***** F150 decided to outrun the rain and see what the trail looks like after all the rain down in the Tucson Area.

All I have to say is WOW I love mother Nature. Anyone who has run this trail 3 or 4 weeks eariler would have been REALLY board... The water has made the bolder fields come back on the back half and has made the Switch Backs much more intreasting.

This trail is starting to finaly repair itself from all the traffic as well as the grading that happened to fight the fire. Also the poppy's are out in full bloom and everything is very green right now.

If you haven't done the GAP in a while its a must. I didn't get any photos I forgot my camera but its worth the trip. Also the step is nice and doug out and there was a lot of water yesterday.

Later,

Dan

John_P
08-14-2006, 11:20 AM
You should write up a trail description and submit it to the Trails section. That way you can provide directions and inform us of the equipment requirements.

desertdawg
08-14-2006, 11:24 AM
Very Cool! I ran it last year and it was pretty easy, looks like I'll be making a trip to Tucson soon.

Thanks for the update!

RokNRich
08-14-2006, 11:29 AM
Yeah, thanks for the update Dan.

How you liking the new Jeep ?

Roachman3700
08-14-2006, 11:57 AM
Trail Description is listed on the old site Real Name is Charlerue (SP?) GAP it goes from a 4.0+ - to a 3.5 (IMHO) depending on the year and how much mothernature has fixed things.

The Step is still bypassed so if you dont know where it is then you can miss it. Best to go with someone who has done the trail to show you the step cuz its kinda hard to point out and I forgot my GPS to get the marks. Also really I kinda like that it is a hidden obstical :).

As for the new Jeep its a love hate type relationship. Love the jeep, hate that it makes me do more EXTREAM STUFF :)..... I need more lift the 2" bb works with my 33's but well I did rub quite a few times. Also need a new rear bumper cuz I gave my Rear corner panel a little love tap on the gap going through Squeeze ROCK on the switchpoints. Dont have to squize through with the RUBI but I was trying to show off and then came down on it farily hard.

Other then that I love it...


here is a good pic of how it looks now.
http://www.azlostkj.com/RUNS/small/NEW.jpg

DesertRat
08-14-2006, 12:02 PM
:eek: :eek:
That is one big Rubi!! :D

John_P
08-14-2006, 12:06 PM
Well, we have a collection of descriptions being started here, with pics and so forth. Just a suggestion.

XJ Un-Limited
08-14-2006, 12:31 PM
Holy huge picture Batman!

etropic
08-14-2006, 01:13 PM
the number of people running with the sway bar connected continues to amaze me.

Roachman3700
08-14-2006, 01:27 PM
First Sorry about the Photo :).... I thought I grabed the web friendly version. I have fixed that :).

To the comment about the sway bar this was on purpose I am running JKS Quicker Disconnects however at the time of the photo I was Running 33" tires with only a 2" BB. I still have the 2" bb but had to put a bigger bumpstop in to prevent me from riping off my Fender. Now I can disco and only rub the fender when at FULL Turn and Also Full upward Articulation.

here are a couple of good writeup's on the trail

http://www.4x4wire.com/trail/report/az/charouleaugap02/

http://www.stu-offroad.com/others/other27-1.htm

http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2003/C-Gap_2003/index.html

http://www.roadrunner4wheelers.org/gap2001/index.html

and this is a good one also
http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2004/c-gap/index.html

Later,
Dan

etropic
08-14-2006, 03:23 PM
To the comment about the sway bar this was on purpose I am running JKS Quicker Disconnects however at the time of the photo I was Running 33" tires with only a 2" BB. I still have the 2" bb but had to put a bigger bumpstop in to prevent me from riping off my Fender. Now I can disco and only rub the fender when at FULL Turn and Also Full upward Articulation.

Later,
Dan

good to hear ;)

xFallen
08-14-2006, 03:55 PM
the number of people running with the sway bar connected continues to amaze me.

Although I almost always run disconnected on both ends, there are trails I wouldn't even bother to air down let alone disconnect but it depends a lot on tires and driver I guess. That trail is probably one of them, except maybe up near the top.

He has lockers which makes it less important to have all fours on the ground I guess.

I have run tougher trails than the Gap fully connected too because I frankly forgot...haha. Makes for an interesting drive but fully locked makes a huge difference. Kind of like having an Easy button. :rolleyes:


Barry

xFallen
08-14-2006, 03:57 PM
First Sorry about the Photo :).... I thought I grabed the web friendly version. I have fixed that :).

To the comment about the sway bar this was on purpose I am running JKS Quicker Disconnects however at the time of the photo I was Running 33" tires with only a 2" BB. I still have the 2" bb but had to put a bigger bumpstop in to prevent me from riping off my Fender. Now I can disco and only rub the fender when at FULL Turn and Also Full upward Articulation.

here are a couple of good writeup's on the trail

http://www.4x4wire.com/trail/report/az/charouleaugap02/

http://www.stu-offroad.com/others/other27-1.htm

http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2003/C-Gap_2003/index.html

http://www.roadrunner4wheelers.org/gap2001/index.html

and this is a good one also
http://www.expeditionswest.com/adventures/2004/c-gap/index.html

Later,
Dan


Sounds like you guys had some fun. How about writing your own trail description, Dan, complete with your pictures as you see fit and submitting it to our trails section now that it is fresh in your mind. :D


Barry

etropic
08-14-2006, 04:15 PM
Although I almost always run disconnected on both ends, there are trails I wouldn't even bother to air down let alone disconnect but it
Barry

Isn't this a 4.0 trail ? I've only run 3.5, and I could be considered a n00b when it comes to driving for sure.

I can't imagine running anything with rocks without disconnecting. Talk about adding trouble for no reason :)

I suppose depending on the lift etc. it might make more or less difference, but a rubi with a 2"BB is night and day disconnected :)

xFallen
08-14-2006, 07:19 PM
Isn't this a 4.0 trail ? I've only run 3.5, and I could be considered a n00b when it comes to driving for sure.

I can't imagine running anything with rocks without disconnecting. Talk about adding trouble for no reason :)

I suppose depending on the lift etc. it might make more or less difference, but a rubi with a 2"BB is night and day disconnected :)

I am not so sure it is a 4.0 but maybe.

You should try doing some crawling with the front end hooked up if you haven't already. It is quite doable, you just lift tires more often. It is entirely possible to run some of the crawling type trails without disconnecting depending on how you are set up. It is actually kind of fun to try it from time to time. Articulation is less important if you are fully locked. That is, front and rear and no limited slip nonsense. Also, big tires make a difference. On 37" tires and a rear locker you can go places in 2WD that might be a bit tough on say 33" tires.

Plus, it can actually help hone your driving skills by adding a bit of a challenge.

But yes, I agree that disconnecting is generally beneficial which is why I have no anti-sway bar at all on the rear axle and disconnect the front whenever off-road. The new build will have some sort of tuned anti-sway bar front or rear as needed only.


Barry

LOST TJ
08-14-2006, 07:21 PM
It was a solid 3.5 for the most part with some optional 4 obstacles. Being wet and muddy made it even more interesting. Definitley a blast thats for sure. I know i had a great time. Thanks Dan. We all managed to get a small amount of damage. It was cool watching Chris run it in the Ford. Whatever you want to rate it, it is definitley fun. That's all that counts. :)

Lonnie
08-15-2006, 09:33 PM
I believe the trail was originally rated a solid 4 when there was "no by-passes" to the step which is at about the mid way point of the trail. Since then it has been filled in at the bottom with silt, the Forest Service has cut a by-pass around the step, to the point that if you don't know where it's located you will run the trail and never know you missed it. Like all trails it has changed a number of times due to various reasons, but I think the biggest was the Mount Lemon fire several years ago, now you can run it every weekend and your never sure what the weather and rain is going to do to it, from making it a paved highway or a rock garden from hell. More often than not it washes more silt into the creek beds covering the old rock gardens. But once in a while it does wash some of it out and it becomes quite the challenging trail. But the last time we ran it, it's about a 3.5 if you don't do the step. But with the weather of the past couple of weeks who knows it changes daily.

Lonnie

georgia
08-16-2006, 08:35 AM
Lonnie, sounds like you guys had fun. Our group, TOR will be running it on September 2nd. Anyone and everyone is invited... Check out the board at http://www.tucsonoffroad.proboards17.com. The run is schedule for the 2nd of September, and we are meeting at the McDonalds on Oracle & McGee at 7:30 AM:) I'm really looking forward to seeing what mother nature has done to the trail with all the rain.

ShottsCruisers
08-16-2006, 04:43 PM
I believe the trail was originally rated a solid 4 when there was "no by-passes" to the step which is at about the mid way point of the trail. Since then it has been filled in at the bottom with silt, the Forest Service has cut a by-pass around the step, to the point that if you don't know where it's located you will run the trail and never know you missed it. Like all trails it has changed a number of times due to various reasons, but I think the biggest was the Mount Lemon fire several years ago, now you can run it every weekend and your never sure what the weather and rain is going to do to it, from making it a paved highway or a rock garden from hell. More often than not it washes more silt into the creek beds covering the old rock gardens. But once in a while it does wash some of it out and it becomes quite the challenging trail. But the last time we ran it, it's about a 3.5 if you don't do the step. But with the weather of the past couple of weeks who knows it changes daily.

Lonnie

Hey Lonnie. Hope you and Helen are well. I've wanted to hit the Gap since all the rains. I was curious if things on that Oracle side have funned (is that a word) back up. Hope we see ya soon!

sailorman13
08-17-2006, 07:45 AM
If anyone is interested there is a Gap run this Saturday. Could be fun to watch some of these tube buggies.

http://www.wheelingarizona.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7942

Cheers

Roachman3700
08-17-2006, 11:40 AM
Oracle Side is still very well not very fun :)...... In my Opinion its best to go from Catalinia to Oracle.

Lonnie,

So... I want to do the step here now that I have my new rig... Your the onlyone that I have seen successfuly get ppl up it would you be willing to do a run here in the future so that I can use your expert spotting :).

The Rock gardens are back as of 8/13/06 The big one has been really washed out. There is a section about 20 feet wide by 3 or 4 feet deep that has been dug out in there and you have to drop in and then climb back out. while working aroudn boulders. Its very nice. I wish I had a camera with me cuz its looking good.

I have gotten the GAP down to 4 hr's in my new rubi and the new challanges made it so it took us about 5hr and 15min to get through all the way. This is from start to finish.


Later,
Dan

ShottsCruisers
08-17-2006, 11:53 AM
So... I want to do the step here now that I have my new rig...

Step videos...SWB and LWB:

http://shottscruisers.smugmug.com/photos/26018081-O.mpg

http://shottscruisers.smugmug.com/photos/59209089-O.jpg

http://shottscruisers.smugmug.com/photos/26018098-O.mpg

desertdawg
08-17-2006, 09:06 PM
While were on the subject, here's a few from last year.

That's me.
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6894&stc=1&d=1155870089
Look at those small tires Crawldad had on back then. :D
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6895&stc=1&d=1155870089
Here's Lance Kenyon. Now that's somebody I haven't seen in a while. Where are you Lance?:) Note the red tape on the top from the Log Corral jungle safari.:D
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6896&stc=1&d=1155870089

Jasonazx
08-19-2006, 03:49 PM
I've actually run the entire trail in my xterra with the exception of going up the step-took the bypass.

LOWTECH
08-20-2006, 12:30 AM
and one time at band camp :rolleyes:

desertdawg
08-20-2006, 12:05 PM
and one time at band camp :rolleyes:

we were on this trail called Charlotte's gap or Chalupa gap or something like that and well this guy, his name was Roger and he drove a red Jeep, and Roger named his Jeep Franken Jeep but he had Lowtech on his license plate and well this guy Roger he was really, really old, and he saw these other guys from band camp drive their Jeeps through a bunch of big rocks and he said, "My Jeep with a little old Dana 35 can go through those rocks", and then he made this little evil laugh like, "HeHeHeHeHe" and so he started up this like old creek thing
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6924&stc=1&d=1156093537
and then he got stuck on a really big rock and we all laughed at him. And it was sooo funny! Then Roger got really really mad and told us to push him off and he would show us Band Camp kids a thing or two....
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6925&stc=1&d=1156093537
so he revved his engine really, really high and it sounded like a million angry little chipmunks running around in there and he put it in gear and he got stuck again,
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6926&stc=1&d=1156093537
and we really, really laughed at him again. And it was so funny that I was snorting like a pig while I was laughing, then everybody else was laughing at me snorting like a pig, so anyway he backed up and yelled really loud, "Band Camp kids suck!" and then he went really really fast up this rock and all you could hear was the sound of metal scraping, and he was bouncing all over the place and it was really funny because things started bouncing all over the place inside his Jeep and his cooler started leaking water all over the place and he still couldn't get through that really bouncy area...
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6927&stc=1&d=1156093537
so he backed up again and revved up his engine and then...
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6928&stc=1&d=1156093537
he must have like pressed a button on his Fraken Jeep or something because
all us Band Camp kids like frooze in time and it was like really, really weird
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6929&stc=1&d=1156093537
and all of a sudden Roger and his Jeep disappeared. It was like we all entered the twilight zone or something. I swear it really, really happened just ask Roger.:D
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6930&stc=1&d=1156093537

georgia
08-20-2006, 04:02 PM
we were on this trail called Charlotte's gap or Chalupa gap or something like that and well this guy, his name was Roger and he drove a red Jeep, and Roger named his Jeep Franken Jeep but he had Lowtech on his license plate and well this guy Roger he was really, really old, and he saw these other guys from band camp drive their Jeeps through a bunch of big rocks and he said, "My Jeep with a little old Dana 35 can go through those rocks", and then he made this little evil laugh like, "HeHeHeHeHe" and so he started up this like old creek thing
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6924&stc=1&d=1156093537
and then he got stuck on a really big rock and we all laughed at him. And it was sooo funny! Then Roger got really really mad and told us to push him off and he would show us Band Camp kids a thing or two....
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6925&stc=1&d=1156093537
so he revved his engine really, really high and it sounded like a million angry little chipmunks running around in there and he put it in gear and he got stuck again,
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6926&stc=1&d=1156093537
and we really, really laughed at him again. And it was so funny that I was snorting like a pig while I was laughing, then everybody else was laughing at me snorting like a pig, so anyway he backed up and yelled really loud, "Band Camp kids suck!" and then he went really really fast up this rock and all you could hear was the sound of metal scraping, and he was bouncing all over the place and it was really funny because things started bouncing all over the place inside his Jeep and his cooler started leaking water all over the place and he still couldn't get through that really bouncy area...
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6927&stc=1&d=1156093537
so he backed up again and revved up his engine and then...
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6928&stc=1&d=1156093537
he must have like pressed a button on his Fraken Jeep or something because
all us Band Camp kids like frooze in time and it was like really, really weird
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6929&stc=1&d=1156093537
and all of a sudden Roger and his Jeep disappeared. It was like we all entered the twilight zone or something. I swear it really, really happened just ask Roger.:D
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6930&stc=1&d=1156093537

That little rock...? I made it through there on my first try...:rolleyes:

LOWTECH
08-20-2006, 09:18 PM
LOL - Now That's How I Remember Band Camp

LOWTECH
08-26-2006, 01:27 AM
Yep made it through last Sunday in my 1969 VW Mico-Bus with a flat tire :rolleyes:

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