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31548 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 6:47pm
Subject: Re: Interesting ZJ coil compression information
FYI: 1997 RE 4.5" ZJ front coil spring rate 125lbs/in. That is, it takes
125 pounds to compress the coil 1 inch. The new coils are 170lbs/in. The
factory models for 1993 were 110lbs/in.
Linda
linda luik wrote:
>
> I got a 4.5" replacement front coil from RE. RE refused to provide
> compression information.
>
> The new coil is 22.75" long, 13.25 windings, 5/6" (.625) wire, max
> compression 13.20" (if possible).
>
> We set up a coil compression measuring device in the barn using a
> Health-O-Meter bathroom balance scale (bubble level, accurate to within
> 1/4-lb) on the 20-ton press. We used a Sears Craftsman measuring tape to
> determine when the coil had compressed 1-inch. And a couple of pieces of
> wood
>
> The new RE 4.5" coil compresses at approx 170-lbs/in.
>
> We found a factory ZJ front coil (1993, 4.0l, 4x4). The factory coil
> compression was approx 110-lbs/in.
>
> Neither coil is progressive.
>
> We will be measuring the old (possibly prototype) RE 4.5" front coils
> that I got back in 1997. I suspect their compression rate will be about
> 140-lbs/in.
>
> Methinks that the new RE coil was designed for a V8 w/ARB bumper and
> winch. It most certainly will be a less than desirable coil for a 4.0l
> with no ARB bumper or winch.
>
> I will be putting the coils on just to get the ZJ back on the road and
> will most likely be ordering custom coils from National.
>
> Anybody have an email address for Ryan Wallace? He worked (owned?)
> Rubicon Express back in 1997. I would like to find out what happened
> with the coil springs and the changes made to the RE control arms.
>
> Linda
>
>
>
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31549 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 7:04pm
Subject: Spring rate article
I found this article by Jay Kopycinski on how spring rate is calculated.
He even includes leaf springs and torsion bars. I have known Jay for
many years and consider him a great resource for the more techinical
aspects of 4-wheeling. Thanks Jay!
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_offrd/m1185/n12_v32/21281359/p1/article.jhtml
Great 4x4s are built!
Linda
93 ZJ - now with Rubicon Express 4.5" ZJ Snow Plow Springs (soon to be
up for sale. The coils, not the Jeep)
31550 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 7:56pm
Subject: [FS] Jeep Tubs _ Make Offer
Price: Reasonable offers
Contact: John at 480-917-5454 or Lerews@att.net
91 Wrangler tub and rollbar, 69 CJ5 tub, cage, fenders, grill, hood, and windshield Need more room in my garage!
31551 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 8:04pm
Subject: [FS] More Jeep stuff MUST GO!
Price: Lets make a deal!!
Contact: John at 480-917-5454
Complete AMC 360, T-18 w/Dana 20, power steering pump,box and AA adapter to mount to older CJ, several axles, other misc. stuff from aborted project Poss trades?
31552 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 8:25pm
Subject: [Tech] TJ Wrangler - Questions about upgrading ring and pinion gears in axles
I am wanting to upgrade my axel ratios, but have alot of questions since I have never done this. Currently I have Dana 35 Rear and Dana 30 Front with 3.73 Gears and are running 33" tires. I would like to upgrade to either 4.11, 4.56,4.88 gears . My questions is how high can I go or should go?.
By upgrading to a higher ratio will I be more prone to breaking my axels or driveshaft?.I know the 4.88 will give 7% more torque with 35" tires, which may be too much.But I am thinking of going with the 4.56 gears since I run 33" tires. Any commments are welcomed need all the info I can get or tips. Thanks Jeepers!!. Kevin Kilroy at EvilWarlock@aaahawk.com
Kevin Kilroy
31553 From: Tammy Litzerman <emtlitzelman@e...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 8:45pm
Subject: Re: [FS] FREE yj factory running boards/side steps
Michael,
I'm planning on going tomorrow, as long as I can find the meeting place and time. I'm looking through some old e-mails now to try to find out.
Matt
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From: AzVJC Website
To: AzVJC
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:14 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] FREE yj factory running boards/side steps
Price: 6 pk of beer??
Contact:
92 yj factory running boards/steps. These are the type that are integrated into the fender flares. Free to whom ever wants them. They are in near perfect condition.
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31554 From: Eric Herring <herring@q...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 8:51pm
Subject: RE: xj alignment
I go to Network alignment, It's on Main in Mesa. They even cured my death wobble. Don't go to Good Year, They caused my death wobble.
Eric Herring 92XJ
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From: Fourwhlcrzy@aol.com [mailto:Fourwhlcrzy@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 6:45 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] xj alignment
I'm half way done installing 4.5" superflex kit. Was wondering who is good alignment guy in east valley?I've heard of flexy joe but i think he is west side. Long hike from the santans. Thanks for any info.
One more thing-upper control arms really suck!
Daren
01 xj
52 m-38
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31555 From: <joekphx48@y...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 9:11pm
Subject: High Lift jack
I want to mount my high lift jack on my 85 CJ7 but would like some
ideas. I have removed my back seat so I can start getting that ready
for cargo and such I was thinking of mounting it back there
somewhere. Any ideas would be helpfull.
Thanks
Joe K.
31556 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 9:18pm
Subject: Moab
Well - Tim and I made it back from the best 4 wheeling ever. Awesome - just
awesome.
Trails we did included Pritchett Canyon, Metal Masher, Steel Bender,
Helldorado, Chicken Corners, Harrah Pass, Lochhart Basin, and Elephant Hill.
We both got out of there with surprisingly little damage. Tim broke his
upper rear left frame side control arm bracket on Pritchett Canyon. We were
able to get it re-welded at Moab off-Road (great shop) early the next
morning - and we were off to do Steel Bender - where I broke the very same
bracket (which had broken before and been re-welded and trussed). Moab Off
Road to the rescue again the next morning.
Pritchett is a class 4.5+ - with 2 spots that for most require winching. Tim
came as close to rolling it as you can get on this trail. He was working up
Rocker Knocker - which is a series of 3 large ledges. You have to turn hard
left between the 1st and 2nd ledges in order to make the third - he got
sideways and was literally teetering back and forth....and that was with a
winch cable hooked up to help. I had a different set of problems on that
obstacle - there's a large boulder you have to get around to make it up to
3rd ledge - and I kept getting my wheels under it.
Pritchett also has a large rock slide covering a section of trail. There is
a by-pass - but we decided to try it (what foolishness). Tim got stuck
pretty bad and we had to winch him back off. Here is where he likely broke
the bracket. I'm glad Tim was taking the lead on this trail - cause it would
have been me hopelessly stuck on the boulders :o).
Next came the Rock Pile - which is a 10' high near vertical climb that's
very difficult for SWB vehicles. We both had to winch up this - but not
before I had to remove my spare and my gas and water cans - that's how
vertical you need to get. Even with all that removed, I still dragged my BP
tire carrier.
Next was Metal Masher - which was a long and fun trail - class 4 - with
several difficult obstacles. The scenery is stunning, but even w/ GPS it's
easy to get on the wrong trail - which we did several times. Tim's a real
wonder at GPS - and we still lost our way several times. Saw several
immature Big Horn Sheep on this run.
We ran into some wheelers from Tennessee, and did Steel Bender the next day
with them. The trail was also a class 4 or so. A word of advise to anyone
doing this one. The actual trail is also known as Flat Pass. The FS has
marked a different (easier?) trail as Steel Bender - so you really need to
rely and trust your GPS to get on the right trail. This one was really quite
different, and included a number of very beautiful water crossings. This is
the trail where I re broke my control arm bracket. Lots of fun stuff,
including Dragon's Tail, and some other obstacles I can't recall the names
of.
THEN CAME HELLDORADO - WOW!!!! HOLY ****!!!! WOW!!! FANTASTIC!!! WOW!!!, and
pretty good too. This trail is actually in 2 parts - Lower and Upper - that
are actually 2 different canyons. We again hooked up with the boys from
Tennessee. Let me tell you bout them. They all had very beefy rigs. One CJ
had very full width axles - a rear Dana 70HD (from a school bus!) and a
front Dana 70. The suspension was totally tricked out with rear quarter
elliptical springs and triangulated rear suspension. The flex was outta this
world. He was running 39.50 cut boggers. The Scout had 2 normal D 70's - and
38's - a YJ was running D60's and 36" SX's, and another CJ was running D44's
and 35" swampers.
Anyway - We started with lower first - which is a 4.5 or so. A really
technical trail - and quite similar to the hard Az style rock crawling. Tire
placement is critical. Interestingly enough - this part of the trail gave
the big boys some problems, cause of the narrow and hard to maneuver
obstacles. It was funastic, though - and we all made it through with little
damage, aside from rocker scrapes, diff dragging, and bar banging. A really
awesome trail.
Then came Upper Helldorado, which is a 5+ - no ****. Tim and I, and one of
the Tenn boys decided to spectate - cause major body damage is guaranteed!
It's just huge obstacle after huge obstacle. First through was the D44
equipped CJ. I was surprised he would do it and I was sure he'd bust
something, but the driver (Greg) was superb. He totally crunched his rear
quarter - but generally made it through. The big boys were the most fun to
watch. The Scout - because of it's size, had the most difficulty and the
most damage. Totally re-arraigned left rear quarter, broken and bent
windshield, and other miscellaneous dents and damage. Kinda like making a
1330 joint fit in a 1310 yoke. But he made it. The - the best of all was the
tricked out CJ - unbelievable flex. The coolest part was the last obstacle,
which was a winch only spot - a 12'+ high vertical climb (as in totally
vertical). He was convinced he could make it w/o a winch and after several
attempts he ended up standing his jeep up on it's tail - perfectly vertical.
He couldn't move or shift his weight or he's turn turtle. Tim gingerly
stepped off the edge of the cliff on to his front tire to grab the winch
cable. and we were able to get him up.
As great as Helldorado was - the best by far was Lockhart Basin (class 4).
Actually, we took a series of trails to do an all day (as in 9 hours) from
Moab down to Canyonlands - where we camped. We were in the middle of
nowhere - in the most stunning scenery I have ever seen. We took the road
along the south back of the Colorado - to the Chicken Corners trail - then
on to Harrah Pass trail, then on to Lockhart Basin trail. This trip requires
an overnight to do it right. Since we were planning to visit Canyonlands
anyway - this worked out great. For those that do Moab, and don't visit
Canyonlands - you don't know what you're missing. Really indescribable. You
end up passing through these HUGE canyons - one right after another right
after another. They seemed to go on and on for ever. Any one of them by
themselves would make an outstanding (and fairly long) trip. Not too many
places left where you can do this type of wheeling.
After a very long day of wheeling in the wilderness - Tim found the greatest
campsite - Under a cottonwood, by the banks of Indian Creek, where we were
treated to a sunset against the walls of several beautiful canyons.
Next day we did an early morning run on to Elephant Hill trail (class 4 if
you want it to be). A really very pretty trail that will take you to an
amazing overlook of the confluence of the Colorado and Green rivers...in
deep canyons. The FS actually tries to maintain the toughest obstacles, so
this trail is not as hard as it once was - but it's still a fairly
challenging trail with a fantastic treat at the end (the overlook).
From there we reluctantly headed for home - pulling into Flag at about 8pm
or so. We spent the night west of Flag then back to Phoenix and Tucson today
(Sat.).
I know I've used a lot of adjectives, but this was easily the best 4 wheelin
trip I've had the chance to do.
Happy Trails,
Doug
31557 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 9:19pm
Subject: Re: [Tech] TJ Wrangler - Questions about upgrading ring and pinion gears in axles
4.56 is the lowest I'd suggest you try on those axles.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: AzVJC Website
To: AzVJC
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 3:25 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] TJ Wrangler - Questions about upgrading ring and pinion gears in axles
I am wanting to upgrade my axel ratios, but have alot of questions since I have never done this. Currently I have Dana 35 Rear and Dana 30 Front with 3.73 Gears and are running 33" tires. I would like to upgrade to either 4.11, 4.56,4.88 gears . My questions is how high can I go or should go?.
By upgrading to a higher ratio will I be more prone to breaking my axels or driveshaft?.I know the 4.88 will give 7% more torque with 35" tires, which may be too much.But I am thinking of going with the 4.56 gears since I run 33" tires. Any commments are welcomed need all the info I can get or tips. Thanks Jeepers!!. Kevin Kilroy at EvilWarlock@aaahawk.com
Kevin Kilroy
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31558 From: <knoble@h...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 9:23pm
Subject: Re: High Lift jack
I mounted mine right behind the rollbar, on the inner wheel housing,
with the mounting brackets you can but for the highlift.
--- In az_vjc@y..., joekphx48@y... wrote:
> I want to mount my high lift jack on my 85 CJ7 but would like some
> ideas. I have removed my back seat so I can start getting that
ready
> for cargo and such I was thinking of mounting it back there
> somewhere. Any ideas would be helpfull.
>
> Thanks
>
> Joe K.
31559 From: <SKYDIVEMAT@a...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 5:28pm
Subject: ZJ front sway bar?
Hello all,
I have a question about the front sway bar on my 95" ZJ. I removed the RE not so quick disconnects today and installed the TKS quicker disconnects.
The problem I'm having is the sway bar wants to push to the passenger side and the upper part of the drivers side disconnect rubs on the track bar bracket. The old disconnect was quite worn and so is the bracket. I can easily pull the sway bar towards the drivers side so it doesn't rub, but it just drifts back. Also with it pulled in that position, the disconnect on the passenger side is angled towards the drivers side and on the drivers side its straight up and down.
If you know what I can do to avoid this rubbing and wearing I would appreciate it.
Matt McKeon
95" ZJ
RE 3.5 superflex
31X 10.50 BFG A/T's
31560 From: <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 9:36pm
Subject: Re: RE Lift wrenching party
I am pretty sure it does come with the spacers.
Sounds good to me John, invite Joe W incase you have stickers to put
on the shocks! ;)
Mike
--- In az_vjc@y..., jeepindog@y... wrote:
> Thanks John! I will take you up on that one. I'll need a
list
> of everybody's favorite victuals and beverages, of course. So now
we
> just need to wait a few days for the big brown van. Does a RE kit
> come with t-case spacers?
>
> Dick's sounds like a good place to have a d/s made...
>
> Talk to you all very soon,
>
> Lachlan
>
>
> In az_vjc@y..., JNB4PLS@a... wrote:
> > My garage is available. It comes complete with a refrigerator;-)
> I'd
> > be happy to host this one for Lachlan.
> >
> > John Butler
31561 From: <jaylalib@a...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 10:12pm
Subject: Martinez Canyon on Saturday Sept. 29
Anyone interested in running this trail on Saturday next week? I
have never been there so I am hoping someone will lead the the trip.
I will post it and see what kind of turn out I get....
Jason
31562 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 10:16pm
Subject: [TR] Martinez Canyon - Saturday, September 29, 2001
Hello All,
Jason LaLiberty is leading a Martinez Canyon trail run on Saturday, September 29, 2001.
When: 8:00am
Where:
Rating: 4.0+
Length: 6-8 hours
CB Channel: 9
Never run this trail before, but would like to try it.
Martinez Canyon has to be one of the most beautiful canyons south of the Sedona AZ red bluffs. To reach the trailhead you travel over rolling hills of desert cactus, shrubs and trees. All of a sudden you enter a narrow passageway into a canyon of deep red bluffs and cottonwood trees.
Most of the year there is a spring that winds through the trees and low area. You will find the old homestead at the grouping of cottonwood trees along with some old mining generators and storerooms. Just past the homestead you will drop into the wash and follow it to the old mill.
The road winds back and forth across the wash as well as follows the wash for a time but the trail stays in the wash. You can spend hours "playing" on the rocks and waterfalls.
A mile or so into the wash you will approach a large landslide blocking the wash so the trail starts up the switchback trail "to the top of the world". The view from the top of the mountain is breathtaking.
As you start back down the switchback trail you will find it has been washed out, big time! The washout cuts through several of the "switchbacks" in a cut approximately 8 feet deep and 8 foot wide, so down you go. After a drop into the washout you will crank a hard left turn and literally freeslide on the loose gravel/dirt about 200 yards.
The first comment made from one of the original founders is the best description to the end of a great day of wheeling. "This is better than an 'E' Ticket ride at Disneyland! It's wheel'n the luge!"
This trail is definitely for the "extreme" vehicle as well as an experienced driver. Lockers are required and 33" tires and maximum clearance are a must.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
31563 From: <JNB4PLS@a...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 6:29pm
Subject: Re: Re: RE Lift wrenching party
Hey Mike. I told Lachlan that the only caveat was that it could not be next Saturday, I'll be out of town playing in a golf tournament in Prescott. Sunday would work though.
Yea, I think that Joe was secretly upset last week when I didn't put the Rancho 5000 sticker on my new stabilizer. Come to think of it, I don't remember seeing it when I got home. I'll bet that I could find it somewhere on Joes Jeep
John Butler
31564 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 2:49am
Subject: RE: High Lift jack
Check out www.desertjeep.com. There is an article on mounting it to the
rollbar.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: joekphx48@y... [mailto:joekphx48@y...]
> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:12 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] High Lift jack
>
>
> I want to mount my high lift jack on my 85 CJ7 but would like some
> ideas. I have removed my back seat so I can start getting that ready
> for cargo and such I was thinking of mounting it back there
> somewhere. Any ideas would be helpfull.
>
> Thanks
>
> Joe K.
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
31565 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 5:32am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1231
I run D35 rear/D30 front like you. I just switched from 3.73 to 4.56. I
have 35" tires and I upgraded the D35 to the Superior Super 35. This is a
great combination. The gearing is almost perfect for highway and with a
TeraLo it crawls slower than I can walk. I would steer clear of the 4.88
and save my dollars for a TeraLow.. It runs about $900 if you install it
yourself.
Jon
At 11:45 AM 9/23/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>To: AzVJC
> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 3:25 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] TJ Wrangler - Questions about upgrading ring
> and pinion gears in axles
>
>
> I am wanting to upgrade my axel ratios, but have alot of questions
> since I have never done this. Currently I have Dana 35 Rear and Dana 30
> Front with 3.73 Gears and are running 33" tires. I would like to upgrade
> to either 4.11, 4.56,4.88 gears . My questions is how high can I go or
> should go?.
> By upgrading to a higher ratio will I be more prone to breaking my
> axels or driveshaft?.I know the 4.88 will give 7% more torque with 35"
> tires, which may be too much.But I am thinking of going with the 4.56
> gears since I run 33" tires. Any commments are welcomed need all the info
> I can get or tips. Thanks Jeepers!!. Kevin Kilroy at EvilWarlock@a...
>
>
> Kevin Kilroy
------------------------------------------
Jon Loveless
(480)816-6240 office AZ
jonloveless@m...
___________________________
31566 From: tom le <tomle_85024@y...>
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 7:17am
Subject: Re: Moab
Doug & Tim,
I am glad that you both had a great time and only
minor damages on this trip. My wife & I have done the
Pritchett Canyon and Golden Crack not long ago and did
not have to use a winch at all on these trails. I
guess being having a longer wheel base vehicle has
much better advantage than the SWB vehicles. I've
read and attempt to run the Helldorado trail but did
not have the time. Any how, being that you have seem
and done it, I am curious to know that a LWB vehicle
will have any difficulty of running this trail and I
can't wait to see your pictures.
TIA,
Tom
'94 ZJ, 8"lifted, Teralow4:1, 4.56s, 36"TSL, REP8000,
and more...
--- DougB <azjeep@h...> wrote:
> Well - Tim and I made it back from the best 4
> wheeling ever. Awesome - just
> awesome.
>
> Trails we did included Pritchett Canyon, Metal
> Masher, Steel Bender,
> Helldorado, Chicken Corners, Harrah Pass, Lochhart
> Basin, and Elephant Hill.
> We both got out of there with surprisingly little
> damage. Tim broke his
> upper rear left frame side control arm bracket on
> Pritchett Canyon. We were
> able to get it re-welded at Moab off-Road (great
> shop) early the next
> morning - and we were off to do Steel Bender - where
> I broke the very same
> bracket (which had broken before and been re-welded
> and trussed). Moab Off
> Road to the rescue again the next morning.
>
> Pritchett is a class 4.5+ - with 2 spots that for
> most require winching. Tim
> came as close to rolling it as you can get on this
> trail. He was working up
> Rocker Knocker - which is a series of 3 large
> ledges. You have to turn hard
> left between the 1st and 2nd ledges in order to make
> the third - he got
> sideways and was literally teetering back and
> forth....and that was with a
> winch cable hooked up to help. I had a different set
> of problems on that
> obstacle - there's a large boulder you have to get
> around to make it up to
> 3rd ledge - and I kept getting my wheels under it.
>
> Pritchett also has a large rock slide covering a
> section of trail. There is
> a by-pass - but we decided to try it (what
> foolishness). Tim got stuck
> pretty bad and we had to winch him back off. Here is
> where he likely broke
> the bracket. I'm glad Tim was taking the lead on
> this trail - cause it would
> have been me hopelessly stuck on the boulders :o).
>
> Next came the Rock Pile - which is a 10' high near
> vertical climb that's
> very difficult for SWB vehicles. We both had to
> winch up this - but not
> before I had to remove my spare and my gas and water
> cans - that's how
> vertical you need to get. Even with all that
> removed, I still dragged my BP
> tire carrier.
>
> Next was Metal Masher - which was a long and fun
> trail - class 4 - with
> several difficult obstacles. The scenery is
> stunning, but even w/ GPS it's
> easy to get on the wrong trail - which we did
> several times. Tim's a real
> wonder at GPS - and we still lost our way several
> times. Saw several
> immature Big Horn Sheep on this run.
>
> We ran into some wheelers from Tennessee, and did
> Steel Bender the next day
> with them. The trail was also a class 4 or so. A
> word of advise to anyone
> doing this one. The actual trail is also known as
> Flat Pass. The FS has
> marked a different (easier?) trail as Steel Bender -
> so you really need to
> rely and trust your GPS to get on the right trail.
> This one was really quite
> different, and included a number of very beautiful
> water crossings. This is
> the trail where I re broke my control arm bracket.
> Lots of fun stuff,
> including Dragon's Tail, and some other obstacles I
> can't recall the names
> of.
>
> THEN CAME HELLDORADO - WOW!!!! HOLY ****!!!! WOW!!!
> FANTASTIC!!! WOW!!!, and
> pretty good too. This trail is actually in 2 parts -
> Lower and Upper - that
> are actually 2 different canyons. We again hooked up
> with the boys from
> Tennessee. Let me tell you bout them. They all had
> very beefy rigs. One CJ
> had very full width axles - a rear Dana 70HD (from a
> school bus!) and a
> front Dana 70. The suspension was totally tricked
> out with rear quarter
> elliptical springs and triangulated rear suspension.
> The flex was outta this
> world. He was running 39.50 cut boggers. The Scout
> had 2 normal D 70's - and
> 38's - a YJ was running D60's and 36" SX's, and
> another CJ was running D44's
> and 35" swampers.
>
> Anyway - We started with lower first - which is a
> 4.5 or so. A really
> technical trail - and quite similar to the hard Az
> style rock crawling. Tire
> placement is critical. Interestingly enough - this
> part of the trail gave
> the big boys some problems, cause of the narrow and
> hard to maneuver
> obstacles. It was funastic, though - and we all made
> it through with little
> damage, aside from rocker scrapes, diff dragging,
> and bar banging. A really
> awesome trail.
>
> Then came Upper Helldorado, which is a 5+ - no ****.
> Tim and I, and one of
> the Tenn boys decided to spectate - cause major body
> damage is guaranteed!
> It's just huge obstacle after huge obstacle. First
> through was the D44
> equipped CJ. I was surprised he would do it and I
> was sure he'd bust
> something, but the driver (Greg) was superb. He
> totally crunched his rear
> quarter - but generally made it through. The big
> boys were the most fun to
> watch. The Scout - because of it's size, had the
> most difficulty and the
> most damage. Totally re-arraigned left rear quarter,
> broken and bent
> windshield, and other miscellaneous dents and
> damage. Kinda like making a
> 1330 joint fit in a 1310 yoke. But he made it. The -
> the best of all was the
> tricked out CJ - unbelievable flex. The coolest part
> was the last obstacle,
> which was a winch only spot - a 12'+ high vertical
> climb (as in totally
> vertical). He was convinced he could make it w/o a
> winch and after several
> attempts he ended up standing his jeep up on it's
> tail - perfectly vertical.
> He couldn't move or shift his weight or he's turn
> turtle. Tim gingerly
> stepped off the edge of the cliff on to his front
> tire to grab the winch
> cable. and we were able to get him up.
>
> As great as Helldorado was - the best by far was
> Lockhart Basin (class 4).
> Actually, we took a series of trails to do an all
> day (as in 9 hours) from
> Moab down to Canyonlands - where we camped. We were
> in the middle of
> nowhere - in the most stunning scenery I have ever
> seen. We took the road
> along the south back of the Colorado - to the
> Chicken Corners trail - then
> on to Harrah Pass trail, then on to Lockhart Basin
> trail. This trip requires
> an overnight to do it right. Since we were planning
> to visit Canyonlands
> anyway - this worked out great. For those that do
> Moab, and don't visit
> Canyonlands - you don't know what you're missing.
> Really indescribable. You
> end up passing through these HUGE canyons - one
> right after another right
> after another. They seemed to go on and on for ever.
> Any one of them by
> themselves would make an outstanding (and fairly
> long) trip. Not too many
> places left where you can do this type of wheeling.
>
> After a very long day of wheeling in the wilderness
> - Tim found the greatest
> campsite - Under a cottonwood, by the banks of
> Indian Creek, where we were
> treated to a sunset against the walls of several
> beautiful canyons.
>
> Next day we did an early morning run on to Elephant
> Hill trail (class 4 if
> you want it to be). A really very pretty trail that
> will take you to an
> amazing overlook of the confluence of the Colorado
> and Green rivers...in
> deep canyons. The FS actually tries to maintain the
> toughest obstacles, so
> this trail is not as hard as it once was - but it's
> still a fairly
> challenging trail with a fantastic treat at the end
> (the overlook).
>
> From there we reluctantly headed for home - pulling
> into Flag at about 8pm
> or so. We spent the night west of Flag then back to
> Phoenix
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31567 From: tom le <tomle_85024@y...>
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 7:24am
Subject: RE: xj alignment
I've my '94 ZJ done at Roosevelt Alignment in Phx
(602-396-0840) for under $50 and it has cured my DW
just right after I have upgraded to 8" w/ 36"
swampers.
Tom
--- Eric Herring <herring@q...> wrote:
> I go to Network alignment, It's on Main in Mesa.
> They even cured my death
> wobble. Don't go to Good Year, They caused my death
> wobble.
>
> Eric Herring 92XJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fourwhlcrzy@a...
> [mailto:Fourwhlcrzy@a...]
> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 6:45 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] xj alignment
>
>
> I'm half way done installing 4.5" superflex kit.
> Was wondering who is good
> alignment guy in east valley?I've heard of flexy joe
> but i think he is west
> side. Long hike from the santans. Thanks for any
> info.
> One more thing-upper control arms really suck!
> Daren
> 01 xj
> 52 m-38
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31568 From: tom le <tomle_85024@y...>
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 7:28am
Subject: Re: Martinez Canyon on Saturday Sept. 29
Jason,
I've never run it either but I am sign up for it and
will be a tail runner for either this trail or the JAW
BREAKER on October 20th (Sunday) at this year AZ
Jamboree event. Kurt (chairman of the Jamboree) will
let me know for sure on next Thursday night.
Tom
'94 ZJ
--- jaylalib@a... wrote:
> Anyone interested in running this trail on Saturday
> next week? I
> have never been there so I am hoping someone will
> lead the the trip.
> I will post it and see what kind of turn out I
> get....
>
> Jason
>
>
>
>
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31569 From: tom le <tomle_85024@y...>
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 7:32am
Subject: Re: Tera Low
Way to go and you won't regret it since it's well
worth all the penies. I can speak for myself.
Tom
--- sharxjeep@c... wrote:
> Well its in and working, I want to thank Scott,
> Dan, Rick for all the input
> and help. Scott took a few pics that will be posted
> so that in the future
> everyone will be able to see where the fork needs to
> be cut. But after alot
> of bad language and thrown tools shes up and going
> again.
>
> Once again thanks to everyone
> Sharky
>
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31570 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 7:39am
Subject: Re: Re: RE Lift wrenching party
Sunday would be best for me, I am going out Saturday and would like to
finish the job and not leave you guys hanging.
Mike
--- JNB4PLS@a... wrote:
> Hey Mike. I told Lachlan that the only caveat was that it could not be
> next
> Saturday, I'll be out of town playing in a golf tournament in Prescott.
>
> Sunday would work though.
>
> Yea, I think that Joe was secretly upset last week when I didn't put the
>
> Rancho 5000 sticker on my new stabilizer. Come to think of it, I don't
> remember seeing it when I got home. I'll bet that I could find it
> somewhere
> on Joes Jeep<Grin>
>
> John Butler
>
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31571 From: <JNB4PLS@a...>
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 3:52am
Subject: Re: High Lift jack
Jeeps Unlimited had a thread yesterday about mounting the highlift under the hood. It included pictures of the install and links to a supplier that makes the mounting brackets.
John
31572 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 8:17am
Subject: Re: Moab
Just as Pritchett can be better run w/ a LWB - Helldorado is best done w/ a
SWB. Lot's of tight spots to get hung up in.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "tom le" <tomle_85024@y...>
To: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>; "AzVJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Moab
> Doug & Tim,
> I am glad that you both had a great time and only
> minor damages on this trip. My wife & I have done the
> Pritchett Canyon and Golden Crack not long ago and did
> not have to use a winch at all on these trails. I
> guess being having a longer wheel base vehicle has
> much better advantage than the SWB vehicles. I've
> read and attempt to run the Helldorado trail but did
> not have the time. Any how, being that you have seem
> and done it, I am curious to know that a LWB vehicle
> will have any difficulty of running this trail and I
> can't wait to see your pictures.
> TIA,
> Tom
> '94 ZJ, 8"lifted, Teralow4:1, 4.56s, 36"TSL, REP8000,
> and more...
>
>
> --- DougB <azjeep@h...> wrote:
> > Well - Tim and I made it back from the best 4
> > wheeling ever. Awesome - just
> > awesome.
> >
> > Trails we did included Pritchett Canyon, Metal
> > Masher, Steel Bender,
> > Helldorado, Chicken Corners, Harrah Pass, Lochhart
> > Basin, and Elephant Hill.
> > We both got out of there with surprisingly little
> > damage. Tim broke his
> > upper rear left frame side control arm bracket on
> > Pritchett Canyon. We were
> > able to get it re-welded at Moab off-Road (great
> > shop) early the next
> > morning - and we were off to do Steel Bender - where
> > I broke the very same
> > bracket (which had broken before and been re-welded
> > and trussed). Moab Off
> > Road to the rescue again the next morning.
> >
> > Pritchett is a class 4.5+ - with 2 spots that for
> > most require winching. Tim
> > came as close to rolling it as you can get on this
> > trail. He was working up
> > Rocker Knocker - which is a series of 3 large
> > ledges. You have to turn hard
> > left between the 1st and 2nd ledges in order to make
> > the third - he got
> > sideways and was literally teetering back and
> > forth....and that was with a
> > winch cable hooked up to help. I had a different set
> > of problems on that
> > obstacle - there's a large boulder you have to get
> > around to make it up to
> > 3rd ledge - and I kept getting my wheels under it.
> >
> > Pritchett also has a large rock slide covering a
> > section of trail. There is
> > a by-pass - but we decided to try it (what
> > foolishness). Tim got stuck
> > pretty bad and we had to winch him back off. Here is
> > where he likely broke
> > the bracket. I'm glad Tim was taking the lead on
> > this trail - cause it would
> > have been me hopelessly stuck on the boulders :o).
> >
> > Next came the Rock Pile - which is a 10' high near
> > vertical climb that's
> > very difficult for SWB vehicles. We both had to
> > winch up this - but not
> > before I had to remove my spare and my gas and water
> > cans - that's how
> > vertical you need to get. Even with all that
> > removed, I still dragged my BP
> > tire carrier.
> >
> > Next was Metal Masher - which was a long and fun
> > trail - class 4 - with
> > several difficult obstacles. The scenery is
> > stunning, but even w/ GPS it's
> > easy to get on the wrong trail - which we did
> > several times. Tim's a real
> > wonder at GPS - and we still lost our way several
> > times. Saw several
> > immature Big Horn Sheep on this run.
> >
> > We ran into some wheelers from Tennessee, and did
> > Steel Bender the next day
> > with them. The trail was also a class 4 or so. A
> > word of advise to anyone
> > doing this one. The actual trail is also known as
> > Flat Pass. The FS has
> > marked a different (easier?) trail as Steel Bender -
> > so you really need to
> > rely and trust your GPS to get on the right trail.
> > This one was really quite
> > different, and included a number of very beautiful
> > water crossings. This is
> > the trail where I re broke my control arm bracket.
> > Lots of fun stuff,
> > including Dragon's Tail, and some other obstacles I
> > can't recall the names
> > of.
> >
> > THEN CAME HELLDORADO - WOW!!!! HOLY ****!!!! WOW!!!
> > FANTASTIC!!! WOW!!!, and
> > pretty good too. This trail is actually in 2 parts -
> > Lower and Upper - that
> > are actually 2 different canyons. We again hooked up
> > with the boys from
> > Tennessee. Let me tell you bout them. They all had
> > very beefy rigs. One CJ
> > had very full width axles - a rear Dana 70HD (from a
> > school bus!) and a
> > front Dana 70. The suspension was totally tricked
> > out with rear quarter
> > elliptical springs and triangulated rear suspension.
> > The flex was outta this
> > world. He was running 39.50 cut boggers. The Scout
> > had 2 normal D 70's - and
> > 38's - a YJ was running D60's and 36" SX's, and
> > another CJ was running D44's
> > and 35" swampers.
> >
> > Anyway - We started with lower first - which is a
> > 4.5 or so. A really
> > technical trail - and quite similar to the hard Az
> > style rock crawling. Tire
> > placement is critical. Interestingly enough - this
> > part of the trail gave
> > the big boys some problems, cause of the narrow and
> > hard to maneuver
> > obstacles. It was funastic, though - and we all made
> > it through with little
> > damage, aside from rocker scrapes, diff dragging,
> > and bar banging. A really
> > awesome trail.
> >
> > Then came Upper Helldorado, which is a 5+ - no ****.
> > Tim and I, and one of
> > the Tenn boys decided to spectate - cause major body
> > damage is guaranteed!
> > It's just huge obstacle after huge obstacle. First
> > through was the D44
> > equipped CJ. I was surprised he would do it and I
> > was sure he'd bust
> > something, but the driver (Greg) was superb. He
> > totally crunched his rear
> > quarter - but generally made it through. The big
> > boys were the most fun to
> > watch. The Scout - because of it's size, had the
> > most difficulty and the
> > most damage. Totally re-arraigned left rear quarter,
> > broken and bent
> > windshield, and other miscellaneous dents and
> > damage. Kinda like making a
> > 1330 joint fit in a 1310 yoke. But he made it. The -
> > the best of all was the
> > tricked out CJ - unbelievable flex. The coolest part
> > was the last obstacle,
> > which was a winch only spot - a 12'+ high vertical
> > climb (as in totally
> > vertical). He was convinced he could make it w/o a
> > winch and after several
> > attempts he ended up standing his jeep up on it's
> > tail - perfectly vertical.
> > He couldn't move or shift his weight or he's turn
> > turtle. Tim gingerly
> > stepped off the edge of the cliff on to his front
> > tire to grab the winch
> > cable. and we were able to get him up.
> >
> > As great as Helldorado was - the best by far was
> > Lockhart Basin (class 4).
> > Actually, we took a series of trails to do an all
> > day (as in 9 hours) from
> > Moab down to Canyonlands - where we camped. We were
> > in the middle of
> > nowhere - in the most stunning scenery I have ever
> > seen. We took the road
> > along the south back of the Colorado - to the
> > Chicken Corners trail - then
> > on to Harrah Pass trail, then on to Lockhart Basin
> > trail. This trip requires
> > an overnight to do it right. Since we were planning
> > to visit Canyonlands
> > anyway - this worked out great. For those that do
> > Moab, and don't visit
> > Canyonlands - you don't know what you're missing.
> > Really indescribable. You
> > end up passing through these HUGE canyons - one
> > right after another right
> > after another. They seemed to go on and on for ever.
> > Any one of them by
> > themselves would make an outstanding (and fairly
> > long) trip. Not too many
> > places left where you can do this type of wheeling.
> >
> > After a very long day of wheeling in the wilderness
> > - Tim found the greatest
> > campsite - Under a cottonwood, by the banks of
> > Indian Creek, where we were
> > treated to a sunset against the walls of several
> > beautiful canyons.
> >
> > Next day we did an early morning run on to Elephant
> > Hill trail (class 4 if
> > you want it to be). A really very pretty trail that
> > will take you to an
> > amazing overlook of the confluence of the Colorado
> > and Green rivers...in
> > deep canyons. The FS actually tries to maintain the
> > toughest obstacles, so
> > this trail is not as hard as it once was - but it's
> > still a fairly
> > challenging trail with a fantastic treat at the end
> > (the overlook).
> >
> > From there we reluctantly headed for home - pulling
> > into Flag at about 8pm
> > or so. We spent the night west of Flag then back to
> > Phoenix
> === message truncated ===
>
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31548 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 6:47pm
Subject: Re: Interesting ZJ coil compression information
FYI: 1997 RE 4.5" ZJ front coil spring rate 125lbs/in. That is, it takes
125 pounds to compress the coil 1 inch. The new coils are 170lbs/in. The
factory models for 1993 were 110lbs/in.
Linda
linda luik wrote:
>
> I got a 4.5" replacement front coil from RE. RE refused to provide
> compression information.
>
> The new coil is 22.75" long, 13.25 windings, 5/6" (.625) wire, max
> compression 13.20" (if possible).
>
> We set up a coil compression measuring device in the barn using a
> Health-O-Meter bathroom balance scale (bubble level, accurate to within
> 1/4-lb) on the 20-ton press. We used a Sears Craftsman measuring tape to
> determine when the coil had compressed 1-inch. And a couple of pieces of
> wood
>
> The new RE 4.5" coil compresses at approx 170-lbs/in.
>
> We found a factory ZJ front coil (1993, 4.0l, 4x4). The factory coil
> compression was approx 110-lbs/in.
>
> Neither coil is progressive.
>
> We will be measuring the old (possibly prototype) RE 4.5" front coils
> that I got back in 1997. I suspect their compression rate will be about
> 140-lbs/in.
>
> Methinks that the new RE coil was designed for a V8 w/ARB bumper and
> winch. It most certainly will be a less than desirable coil for a 4.0l
> with no ARB bumper or winch.
>
> I will be putting the coils on just to get the ZJ back on the road and
> will most likely be ordering custom coils from National.
>
> Anybody have an email address for Ryan Wallace? He worked (owned?)
> Rubicon Express back in 1997. I would like to find out what happened
> with the coil springs and the changes made to the RE control arms.
>
> Linda
>
>
>
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31549 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 7:04pm
Subject: Spring rate article
I found this article by Jay Kopycinski on how spring rate is calculated.
He even includes leaf springs and torsion bars. I have known Jay for
many years and consider him a great resource for the more techinical
aspects of 4-wheeling. Thanks Jay!
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_offrd/m1185/n12_v32/21281359/p1/article.jhtml
Great 4x4s are built!
Linda
93 ZJ - now with Rubicon Express 4.5" ZJ Snow Plow Springs (soon to be
up for sale. The coils, not the Jeep)
31550 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 7:56pm
Subject: [FS] Jeep Tubs _ Make Offer
Price: Reasonable offers
Contact: John at 480-917-5454 or Lerews@att.net
91 Wrangler tub and rollbar, 69 CJ5 tub, cage, fenders, grill, hood, and windshield Need more room in my garage!
31551 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 8:04pm
Subject: [FS] More Jeep stuff MUST GO!
Price: Lets make a deal!!
Contact: John at 480-917-5454
Complete AMC 360, T-18 w/Dana 20, power steering pump,box and AA adapter to mount to older CJ, several axles, other misc. stuff from aborted project Poss trades?
31552 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 8:25pm
Subject: [Tech] TJ Wrangler - Questions about upgrading ring and pinion gears in axles
I am wanting to upgrade my axel ratios, but have alot of questions since I have never done this. Currently I have Dana 35 Rear and Dana 30 Front with 3.73 Gears and are running 33" tires. I would like to upgrade to either 4.11, 4.56,4.88 gears . My questions is how high can I go or should go?.
By upgrading to a higher ratio will I be more prone to breaking my axels or driveshaft?.I know the 4.88 will give 7% more torque with 35" tires, which may be too much.But I am thinking of going with the 4.56 gears since I run 33" tires. Any commments are welcomed need all the info I can get or tips. Thanks Jeepers!!. Kevin Kilroy at EvilWarlock@aaahawk.com
Kevin Kilroy
31553 From: Tammy Litzerman <emtlitzelman@e...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 8:45pm
Subject: Re: [FS] FREE yj factory running boards/side steps
Michael,
I'm planning on going tomorrow, as long as I can find the meeting place and time. I'm looking through some old e-mails now to try to find out.
Matt
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Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:14 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] FREE yj factory running boards/side steps
Price: 6 pk of beer??
Contact:
92 yj factory running boards/steps. These are the type that are integrated into the fender flares. Free to whom ever wants them. They are in near perfect condition.
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31554 From: Eric Herring <herring@q...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 8:51pm
Subject: RE: xj alignment
I go to Network alignment, It's on Main in Mesa. They even cured my death wobble. Don't go to Good Year, They caused my death wobble.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Fourwhlcrzy@aol.com [mailto:Fourwhlcrzy@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 6:45 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] xj alignment
I'm half way done installing 4.5" superflex kit. Was wondering who is good alignment guy in east valley?I've heard of flexy joe but i think he is west side. Long hike from the santans. Thanks for any info.
One more thing-upper control arms really suck!
Daren
01 xj
52 m-38
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31555 From: <joekphx48@y...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 9:11pm
Subject: High Lift jack
I want to mount my high lift jack on my 85 CJ7 but would like some
ideas. I have removed my back seat so I can start getting that ready
for cargo and such I was thinking of mounting it back there
somewhere. Any ideas would be helpfull.
Thanks
Joe K.
31556 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 9:18pm
Subject: Moab
Well - Tim and I made it back from the best 4 wheeling ever. Awesome - just
awesome.
Trails we did included Pritchett Canyon, Metal Masher, Steel Bender,
Helldorado, Chicken Corners, Harrah Pass, Lochhart Basin, and Elephant Hill.
We both got out of there with surprisingly little damage. Tim broke his
upper rear left frame side control arm bracket on Pritchett Canyon. We were
able to get it re-welded at Moab off-Road (great shop) early the next
morning - and we were off to do Steel Bender - where I broke the very same
bracket (which had broken before and been re-welded and trussed). Moab Off
Road to the rescue again the next morning.
Pritchett is a class 4.5+ - with 2 spots that for most require winching. Tim
came as close to rolling it as you can get on this trail. He was working up
Rocker Knocker - which is a series of 3 large ledges. You have to turn hard
left between the 1st and 2nd ledges in order to make the third - he got
sideways and was literally teetering back and forth....and that was with a
winch cable hooked up to help. I had a different set of problems on that
obstacle - there's a large boulder you have to get around to make it up to
3rd ledge - and I kept getting my wheels under it.
Pritchett also has a large rock slide covering a section of trail. There is
a by-pass - but we decided to try it (what foolishness). Tim got stuck
pretty bad and we had to winch him back off. Here is where he likely broke
the bracket. I'm glad Tim was taking the lead on this trail - cause it would
have been me hopelessly stuck on the boulders :o).
Next came the Rock Pile - which is a 10' high near vertical climb that's
very difficult for SWB vehicles. We both had to winch up this - but not
before I had to remove my spare and my gas and water cans - that's how
vertical you need to get. Even with all that removed, I still dragged my BP
tire carrier.
Next was Metal Masher - which was a long and fun trail - class 4 - with
several difficult obstacles. The scenery is stunning, but even w/ GPS it's
easy to get on the wrong trail - which we did several times. Tim's a real
wonder at GPS - and we still lost our way several times. Saw several
immature Big Horn Sheep on this run.
We ran into some wheelers from Tennessee, and did Steel Bender the next day
with them. The trail was also a class 4 or so. A word of advise to anyone
doing this one. The actual trail is also known as Flat Pass. The FS has
marked a different (easier?) trail as Steel Bender - so you really need to
rely and trust your GPS to get on the right trail. This one was really quite
different, and included a number of very beautiful water crossings. This is
the trail where I re broke my control arm bracket. Lots of fun stuff,
including Dragon's Tail, and some other obstacles I can't recall the names
of.
THEN CAME HELLDORADO - WOW!!!! HOLY ****!!!! WOW!!! FANTASTIC!!! WOW!!!, and
pretty good too. This trail is actually in 2 parts - Lower and Upper - that
are actually 2 different canyons. We again hooked up with the boys from
Tennessee. Let me tell you bout them. They all had very beefy rigs. One CJ
had very full width axles - a rear Dana 70HD (from a school bus!) and a
front Dana 70. The suspension was totally tricked out with rear quarter
elliptical springs and triangulated rear suspension. The flex was outta this
world. He was running 39.50 cut boggers. The Scout had 2 normal D 70's - and
38's - a YJ was running D60's and 36" SX's, and another CJ was running D44's
and 35" swampers.
Anyway - We started with lower first - which is a 4.5 or so. A really
technical trail - and quite similar to the hard Az style rock crawling. Tire
placement is critical. Interestingly enough - this part of the trail gave
the big boys some problems, cause of the narrow and hard to maneuver
obstacles. It was funastic, though - and we all made it through with little
damage, aside from rocker scrapes, diff dragging, and bar banging. A really
awesome trail.
Then came Upper Helldorado, which is a 5+ - no ****. Tim and I, and one of
the Tenn boys decided to spectate - cause major body damage is guaranteed!
It's just huge obstacle after huge obstacle. First through was the D44
equipped CJ. I was surprised he would do it and I was sure he'd bust
something, but the driver (Greg) was superb. He totally crunched his rear
quarter - but generally made it through. The big boys were the most fun to
watch. The Scout - because of it's size, had the most difficulty and the
most damage. Totally re-arraigned left rear quarter, broken and bent
windshield, and other miscellaneous dents and damage. Kinda like making a
1330 joint fit in a 1310 yoke. But he made it. The - the best of all was the
tricked out CJ - unbelievable flex. The coolest part was the last obstacle,
which was a winch only spot - a 12'+ high vertical climb (as in totally
vertical). He was convinced he could make it w/o a winch and after several
attempts he ended up standing his jeep up on it's tail - perfectly vertical.
He couldn't move or shift his weight or he's turn turtle. Tim gingerly
stepped off the edge of the cliff on to his front tire to grab the winch
cable. and we were able to get him up.
As great as Helldorado was - the best by far was Lockhart Basin (class 4).
Actually, we took a series of trails to do an all day (as in 9 hours) from
Moab down to Canyonlands - where we camped. We were in the middle of
nowhere - in the most stunning scenery I have ever seen. We took the road
along the south back of the Colorado - to the Chicken Corners trail - then
on to Harrah Pass trail, then on to Lockhart Basin trail. This trip requires
an overnight to do it right. Since we were planning to visit Canyonlands
anyway - this worked out great. For those that do Moab, and don't visit
Canyonlands - you don't know what you're missing. Really indescribable. You
end up passing through these HUGE canyons - one right after another right
after another. They seemed to go on and on for ever. Any one of them by
themselves would make an outstanding (and fairly long) trip. Not too many
places left where you can do this type of wheeling.
After a very long day of wheeling in the wilderness - Tim found the greatest
campsite - Under a cottonwood, by the banks of Indian Creek, where we were
treated to a sunset against the walls of several beautiful canyons.
Next day we did an early morning run on to Elephant Hill trail (class 4 if
you want it to be). A really very pretty trail that will take you to an
amazing overlook of the confluence of the Colorado and Green rivers...in
deep canyons. The FS actually tries to maintain the toughest obstacles, so
this trail is not as hard as it once was - but it's still a fairly
challenging trail with a fantastic treat at the end (the overlook).
From there we reluctantly headed for home - pulling into Flag at about 8pm
or so. We spent the night west of Flag then back to Phoenix and Tucson today
(Sat.).
I know I've used a lot of adjectives, but this was easily the best 4 wheelin
trip I've had the chance to do.
Happy Trails,
Doug
31557 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 9:19pm
Subject: Re: [Tech] TJ Wrangler - Questions about upgrading ring and pinion gears in axles
4.56 is the lowest I'd suggest you try on those axles.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: AzVJC Website
To: AzVJC
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 3:25 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] TJ Wrangler - Questions about upgrading ring and pinion gears in axles
I am wanting to upgrade my axel ratios, but have alot of questions since I have never done this. Currently I have Dana 35 Rear and Dana 30 Front with 3.73 Gears and are running 33" tires. I would like to upgrade to either 4.11, 4.56,4.88 gears . My questions is how high can I go or should go?.
By upgrading to a higher ratio will I be more prone to breaking my axels or driveshaft?.I know the 4.88 will give 7% more torque with 35" tires, which may be too much.But I am thinking of going with the 4.56 gears since I run 33" tires. Any commments are welcomed need all the info I can get or tips. Thanks Jeepers!!. Kevin Kilroy at EvilWarlock@aaahawk.com
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31558 From: <knoble@h...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 9:23pm
Subject: Re: High Lift jack
I mounted mine right behind the rollbar, on the inner wheel housing,
with the mounting brackets you can but for the highlift.
--- In az_vjc@y..., joekphx48@y... wrote:
> I want to mount my high lift jack on my 85 CJ7 but would like some
> ideas. I have removed my back seat so I can start getting that
ready
> for cargo and such I was thinking of mounting it back there
> somewhere. Any ideas would be helpfull.
>
> Thanks
>
> Joe K.
31559 From: <SKYDIVEMAT@a...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 5:28pm
Subject: ZJ front sway bar?
Hello all,
I have a question about the front sway bar on my 95" ZJ. I removed the RE not so quick disconnects today and installed the TKS quicker disconnects.
The problem I'm having is the sway bar wants to push to the passenger side and the upper part of the drivers side disconnect rubs on the track bar bracket. The old disconnect was quite worn and so is the bracket. I can easily pull the sway bar towards the drivers side so it doesn't rub, but it just drifts back. Also with it pulled in that position, the disconnect on the passenger side is angled towards the drivers side and on the drivers side its straight up and down.
If you know what I can do to avoid this rubbing and wearing I would appreciate it.
Matt McKeon
95" ZJ
RE 3.5 superflex
31X 10.50 BFG A/T's
31560 From: <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 9:36pm
Subject: Re: RE Lift wrenching party
I am pretty sure it does come with the spacers.
Sounds good to me John, invite Joe W incase you have stickers to put
on the shocks! ;)
Mike
--- In az_vjc@y..., jeepindog@y... wrote:
> Thanks John! I will take you up on that one. I'll need a
list
> of everybody's favorite victuals and beverages, of course. So now
we
> just need to wait a few days for the big brown van. Does a RE kit
> come with t-case spacers?
>
> Dick's sounds like a good place to have a d/s made...
>
> Talk to you all very soon,
>
> Lachlan
>
>
> In az_vjc@y..., JNB4PLS@a... wrote:
> > My garage is available. It comes complete with a refrigerator;-)
> I'd
> > be happy to host this one for Lachlan.
> >
> > John Butler
31561 From: <jaylalib@a...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 10:12pm
Subject: Martinez Canyon on Saturday Sept. 29
Anyone interested in running this trail on Saturday next week? I
have never been there so I am hoping someone will lead the the trip.
I will post it and see what kind of turn out I get....
Jason
31562 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 10:16pm
Subject: [TR] Martinez Canyon - Saturday, September 29, 2001
Hello All,
Jason LaLiberty is leading a Martinez Canyon trail run on Saturday, September 29, 2001.
When: 8:00am
Where:
Rating: 4.0+
Length: 6-8 hours
CB Channel: 9
Never run this trail before, but would like to try it.
Martinez Canyon has to be one of the most beautiful canyons south of the Sedona AZ red bluffs. To reach the trailhead you travel over rolling hills of desert cactus, shrubs and trees. All of a sudden you enter a narrow passageway into a canyon of deep red bluffs and cottonwood trees.
Most of the year there is a spring that winds through the trees and low area. You will find the old homestead at the grouping of cottonwood trees along with some old mining generators and storerooms. Just past the homestead you will drop into the wash and follow it to the old mill.
The road winds back and forth across the wash as well as follows the wash for a time but the trail stays in the wash. You can spend hours "playing" on the rocks and waterfalls.
A mile or so into the wash you will approach a large landslide blocking the wash so the trail starts up the switchback trail "to the top of the world". The view from the top of the mountain is breathtaking.
As you start back down the switchback trail you will find it has been washed out, big time! The washout cuts through several of the "switchbacks" in a cut approximately 8 feet deep and 8 foot wide, so down you go. After a drop into the washout you will crank a hard left turn and literally freeslide on the loose gravel/dirt about 200 yards.
The first comment made from one of the original founders is the best description to the end of a great day of wheeling. "This is better than an 'E' Ticket ride at Disneyland! It's wheel'n the luge!"
This trail is definitely for the "extreme" vehicle as well as an experienced driver. Lockers are required and 33" tires and maximum clearance are a must.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
31563 From: <JNB4PLS@a...>
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2001 6:29pm
Subject: Re: Re: RE Lift wrenching party
Hey Mike. I told Lachlan that the only caveat was that it could not be next Saturday, I'll be out of town playing in a golf tournament in Prescott. Sunday would work though.
Yea, I think that Joe was secretly upset last week when I didn't put the Rancho 5000 sticker on my new stabilizer. Come to think of it, I don't remember seeing it when I got home. I'll bet that I could find it somewhere on Joes Jeep
John Butler
31564 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 2:49am
Subject: RE: High Lift jack
Check out www.desertjeep.com. There is an article on mounting it to the
rollbar.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: joekphx48@y... [mailto:joekphx48@y...]
> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:12 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] High Lift jack
>
>
> I want to mount my high lift jack on my 85 CJ7 but would like some
> ideas. I have removed my back seat so I can start getting that ready
> for cargo and such I was thinking of mounting it back there
> somewhere. Any ideas would be helpfull.
>
> Thanks
>
> Joe K.
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
31565 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 5:32am
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1231
I run D35 rear/D30 front like you. I just switched from 3.73 to 4.56. I
have 35" tires and I upgraded the D35 to the Superior Super 35. This is a
great combination. The gearing is almost perfect for highway and with a
TeraLo it crawls slower than I can walk. I would steer clear of the 4.88
and save my dollars for a TeraLow.. It runs about $900 if you install it
yourself.
Jon
At 11:45 AM 9/23/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>To: AzVJC
> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 3:25 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] TJ Wrangler - Questions about upgrading ring
> and pinion gears in axles
>
>
> I am wanting to upgrade my axel ratios, but have alot of questions
> since I have never done this. Currently I have Dana 35 Rear and Dana 30
> Front with 3.73 Gears and are running 33" tires. I would like to upgrade
> to either 4.11, 4.56,4.88 gears . My questions is how high can I go or
> should go?.
> By upgrading to a higher ratio will I be more prone to breaking my
> axels or driveshaft?.I know the 4.88 will give 7% more torque with 35"
> tires, which may be too much.But I am thinking of going with the 4.56
> gears since I run 33" tires. Any commments are welcomed need all the info
> I can get or tips. Thanks Jeepers!!. Kevin Kilroy at EvilWarlock@a...
>
>
> Kevin Kilroy
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31566 From: tom le <tomle_85024@y...>
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 7:17am
Subject: Re: Moab
Doug & Tim,
I am glad that you both had a great time and only
minor damages on this trip. My wife & I have done the
Pritchett Canyon and Golden Crack not long ago and did
not have to use a winch at all on these trails. I
guess being having a longer wheel base vehicle has
much better advantage than the SWB vehicles. I've
read and attempt to run the Helldorado trail but did
not have the time. Any how, being that you have seem
and done it, I am curious to know that a LWB vehicle
will have any difficulty of running this trail and I
can't wait to see your pictures.
TIA,
Tom
'94 ZJ, 8"lifted, Teralow4:1, 4.56s, 36"TSL, REP8000,
and more...
--- DougB <azjeep@h...> wrote:
> Well - Tim and I made it back from the best 4
> wheeling ever. Awesome - just
> awesome.
>
> Trails we did included Pritchett Canyon, Metal
> Masher, Steel Bender,
> Helldorado, Chicken Corners, Harrah Pass, Lochhart
> Basin, and Elephant Hill.
> We both got out of there with surprisingly little
> damage. Tim broke his
> upper rear left frame side control arm bracket on
> Pritchett Canyon. We were
> able to get it re-welded at Moab off-Road (great
> shop) early the next
> morning - and we were off to do Steel Bender - where
> I broke the very same
> bracket (which had broken before and been re-welded
> and trussed). Moab Off
> Road to the rescue again the next morning.
>
> Pritchett is a class 4.5+ - with 2 spots that for
> most require winching. Tim
> came as close to rolling it as you can get on this
> trail. He was working up
> Rocker Knocker - which is a series of 3 large
> ledges. You have to turn hard
> left between the 1st and 2nd ledges in order to make
> the third - he got
> sideways and was literally teetering back and
> forth....and that was with a
> winch cable hooked up to help. I had a different set
> of problems on that
> obstacle - there's a large boulder you have to get
> around to make it up to
> 3rd ledge - and I kept getting my wheels under it.
>
> Pritchett also has a large rock slide covering a
> section of trail. There is
> a by-pass - but we decided to try it (what
> foolishness). Tim got stuck
> pretty bad and we had to winch him back off. Here is
> where he likely broke
> the bracket. I'm glad Tim was taking the lead on
> this trail - cause it would
> have been me hopelessly stuck on the boulders :o).
>
> Next came the Rock Pile - which is a 10' high near
> vertical climb that's
> very difficult for SWB vehicles. We both had to
> winch up this - but not
> before I had to remove my spare and my gas and water
> cans - that's how
> vertical you need to get. Even with all that
> removed, I still dragged my BP
> tire carrier.
>
> Next was Metal Masher - which was a long and fun
> trail - class 4 - with
> several difficult obstacles. The scenery is
> stunning, but even w/ GPS it's
> easy to get on the wrong trail - which we did
> several times. Tim's a real
> wonder at GPS - and we still lost our way several
> times. Saw several
> immature Big Horn Sheep on this run.
>
> We ran into some wheelers from Tennessee, and did
> Steel Bender the next day
> with them. The trail was also a class 4 or so. A
> word of advise to anyone
> doing this one. The actual trail is also known as
> Flat Pass. The FS has
> marked a different (easier?) trail as Steel Bender -
> so you really need to
> rely and trust your GPS to get on the right trail.
> This one was really quite
> different, and included a number of very beautiful
> water crossings. This is
> the trail where I re broke my control arm bracket.
> Lots of fun stuff,
> including Dragon's Tail, and some other obstacles I
> can't recall the names
> of.
>
> THEN CAME HELLDORADO - WOW!!!! HOLY ****!!!! WOW!!!
> FANTASTIC!!! WOW!!!, and
> pretty good too. This trail is actually in 2 parts -
> Lower and Upper - that
> are actually 2 different canyons. We again hooked up
> with the boys from
> Tennessee. Let me tell you bout them. They all had
> very beefy rigs. One CJ
> had very full width axles - a rear Dana 70HD (from a
> school bus!) and a
> front Dana 70. The suspension was totally tricked
> out with rear quarter
> elliptical springs and triangulated rear suspension.
> The flex was outta this
> world. He was running 39.50 cut boggers. The Scout
> had 2 normal D 70's - and
> 38's - a YJ was running D60's and 36" SX's, and
> another CJ was running D44's
> and 35" swampers.
>
> Anyway - We started with lower first - which is a
> 4.5 or so. A really
> technical trail - and quite similar to the hard Az
> style rock crawling. Tire
> placement is critical. Interestingly enough - this
> part of the trail gave
> the big boys some problems, cause of the narrow and
> hard to maneuver
> obstacles. It was funastic, though - and we all made
> it through with little
> damage, aside from rocker scrapes, diff dragging,
> and bar banging. A really
> awesome trail.
>
> Then came Upper Helldorado, which is a 5+ - no ****.
> Tim and I, and one of
> the Tenn boys decided to spectate - cause major body
> damage is guaranteed!
> It's just huge obstacle after huge obstacle. First
> through was the D44
> equipped CJ. I was surprised he would do it and I
> was sure he'd bust
> something, but the driver (Greg) was superb. He
> totally crunched his rear
> quarter - but generally made it through. The big
> boys were the most fun to
> watch. The Scout - because of it's size, had the
> most difficulty and the
> most damage. Totally re-arraigned left rear quarter,
> broken and bent
> windshield, and other miscellaneous dents and
> damage. Kinda like making a
> 1330 joint fit in a 1310 yoke. But he made it. The -
> the best of all was the
> tricked out CJ - unbelievable flex. The coolest part
> was the last obstacle,
> which was a winch only spot - a 12'+ high vertical
> climb (as in totally
> vertical). He was convinced he could make it w/o a
> winch and after several
> attempts he ended up standing his jeep up on it's
> tail - perfectly vertical.
> He couldn't move or shift his weight or he's turn
> turtle. Tim gingerly
> stepped off the edge of the cliff on to his front
> tire to grab the winch
> cable. and we were able to get him up.
>
> As great as Helldorado was - the best by far was
> Lockhart Basin (class 4).
> Actually, we took a series of trails to do an all
> day (as in 9 hours) from
> Moab down to Canyonlands - where we camped. We were
> in the middle of
> nowhere - in the most stunning scenery I have ever
> seen. We took the road
> along the south back of the Colorado - to the
> Chicken Corners trail - then
> on to Harrah Pass trail, then on to Lockhart Basin
> trail. This trip requires
> an overnight to do it right. Since we were planning
> to visit Canyonlands
> anyway - this worked out great. For those that do
> Moab, and don't visit
> Canyonlands - you don't know what you're missing.
> Really indescribable. You
> end up passing through these HUGE canyons - one
> right after another right
> after another. They seemed to go on and on for ever.
> Any one of them by
> themselves would make an outstanding (and fairly
> long) trip. Not too many
> places left where you can do this type of wheeling.
>
> After a very long day of wheeling in the wilderness
> - Tim found the greatest
> campsite - Under a cottonwood, by the banks of
> Indian Creek, where we were
> treated to a sunset against the walls of several
> beautiful canyons.
>
> Next day we did an early morning run on to Elephant
> Hill trail (class 4 if
> you want it to be). A really very pretty trail that
> will take you to an
> amazing overlook of the confluence of the Colorado
> and Green rivers...in
> deep canyons. The FS actually tries to maintain the
> toughest obstacles, so
> this trail is not as hard as it once was - but it's
> still a fairly
> challenging trail with a fantastic treat at the end
> (the overlook).
>
> From there we reluctantly headed for home - pulling
> into Flag at about 8pm
> or so. We spent the night west of Flag then back to
> Phoenix
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31567 From: tom le <tomle_85024@y...>
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 7:24am
Subject: RE: xj alignment
I've my '94 ZJ done at Roosevelt Alignment in Phx
(602-396-0840) for under $50 and it has cured my DW
just right after I have upgraded to 8" w/ 36"
swampers.
Tom
--- Eric Herring <herring@q...> wrote:
> I go to Network alignment, It's on Main in Mesa.
> They even cured my death
> wobble. Don't go to Good Year, They caused my death
> wobble.
>
> Eric Herring 92XJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fourwhlcrzy@a...
> [mailto:Fourwhlcrzy@a...]
> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 6:45 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] xj alignment
>
>
> I'm half way done installing 4.5" superflex kit.
> Was wondering who is good
> alignment guy in east valley?I've heard of flexy joe
> but i think he is west
> side. Long hike from the santans. Thanks for any
> info.
> One more thing-upper control arms really suck!
> Daren
> 01 xj
> 52 m-38
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31568 From: tom le <tomle_85024@y...>
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 7:28am
Subject: Re: Martinez Canyon on Saturday Sept. 29
Jason,
I've never run it either but I am sign up for it and
will be a tail runner for either this trail or the JAW
BREAKER on October 20th (Sunday) at this year AZ
Jamboree event. Kurt (chairman of the Jamboree) will
let me know for sure on next Thursday night.
Tom
'94 ZJ
--- jaylalib@a... wrote:
> Anyone interested in running this trail on Saturday
> next week? I
> have never been there so I am hoping someone will
> lead the the trip.
> I will post it and see what kind of turn out I
> get....
>
> Jason
>
>
>
>
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31569 From: tom le <tomle_85024@y...>
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 7:32am
Subject: Re: Tera Low
Way to go and you won't regret it since it's well
worth all the penies. I can speak for myself.
Tom
--- sharxjeep@c... wrote:
> Well its in and working, I want to thank Scott,
> Dan, Rick for all the input
> and help. Scott took a few pics that will be posted
> so that in the future
> everyone will be able to see where the fork needs to
> be cut. But after alot
> of bad language and thrown tools shes up and going
> again.
>
> Once again thanks to everyone
> Sharky
>
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31570 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 7:39am
Subject: Re: Re: RE Lift wrenching party
Sunday would be best for me, I am going out Saturday and would like to
finish the job and not leave you guys hanging.
Mike
--- JNB4PLS@a... wrote:
> Hey Mike. I told Lachlan that the only caveat was that it could not be
> next
> Saturday, I'll be out of town playing in a golf tournament in Prescott.
>
> Sunday would work though.
>
> Yea, I think that Joe was secretly upset last week when I didn't put the
>
> Rancho 5000 sticker on my new stabilizer. Come to think of it, I don't
> remember seeing it when I got home. I'll bet that I could find it
> somewhere
> on Joes Jeep<Grin>
>
> John Butler
>
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31571 From: <JNB4PLS@a...>
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 3:52am
Subject: Re: High Lift jack
Jeeps Unlimited had a thread yesterday about mounting the highlift under the hood. It included pictures of the install and links to a supplier that makes the mounting brackets.
John
31572 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2001 8:17am
Subject: Re: Moab
Just as Pritchett can be better run w/ a LWB - Helldorado is best done w/ a
SWB. Lot's of tight spots to get hung up in.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "tom le" <tomle_85024@y...>
To: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>; "AzVJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Moab
> Doug & Tim,
> I am glad that you both had a great time and only
> minor damages on this trip. My wife & I have done the
> Pritchett Canyon and Golden Crack not long ago and did
> not have to use a winch at all on these trails. I
> guess being having a longer wheel base vehicle has
> much better advantage than the SWB vehicles. I've
> read and attempt to run the Helldorado trail but did
> not have the time. Any how, being that you have seem
> and done it, I am curious to know that a LWB vehicle
> will have any difficulty of running this trail and I
> can't wait to see your pictures.
> TIA,
> Tom
> '94 ZJ, 8"lifted, Teralow4:1, 4.56s, 36"TSL, REP8000,
> and more...
>
>
> --- DougB <azjeep@h...> wrote:
> > Well - Tim and I made it back from the best 4
> > wheeling ever. Awesome - just
> > awesome.
> >
> > Trails we did included Pritchett Canyon, Metal
> > Masher, Steel Bender,
> > Helldorado, Chicken Corners, Harrah Pass, Lochhart
> > Basin, and Elephant Hill.
> > We both got out of there with surprisingly little
> > damage. Tim broke his
> > upper rear left frame side control arm bracket on
> > Pritchett Canyon. We were
> > able to get it re-welded at Moab off-Road (great
> > shop) early the next
> > morning - and we were off to do Steel Bender - where
> > I broke the very same
> > bracket (which had broken before and been re-welded
> > and trussed). Moab Off
> > Road to the rescue again the next morning.
> >
> > Pritchett is a class 4.5+ - with 2 spots that for
> > most require winching. Tim
> > came as close to rolling it as you can get on this
> > trail. He was working up
> > Rocker Knocker - which is a series of 3 large
> > ledges. You have to turn hard
> > left between the 1st and 2nd ledges in order to make
> > the third - he got
> > sideways and was literally teetering back and
> > forth....and that was with a
> > winch cable hooked up to help. I had a different set
> > of problems on that
> > obstacle - there's a large boulder you have to get
> > around to make it up to
> > 3rd ledge - and I kept getting my wheels under it.
> >
> > Pritchett also has a large rock slide covering a
> > section of trail. There is
> > a by-pass - but we decided to try it (what
> > foolishness). Tim got stuck
> > pretty bad and we had to winch him back off. Here is
> > where he likely broke
> > the bracket. I'm glad Tim was taking the lead on
> > this trail - cause it would
> > have been me hopelessly stuck on the boulders :o).
> >
> > Next came the Rock Pile - which is a 10' high near
> > vertical climb that's
> > very difficult for SWB vehicles. We both had to
> > winch up this - but not
> > before I had to remove my spare and my gas and water
> > cans - that's how
> > vertical you need to get. Even with all that
> > removed, I still dragged my BP
> > tire carrier.
> >
> > Next was Metal Masher - which was a long and fun
> > trail - class 4 - with
> > several difficult obstacles. The scenery is
> > stunning, but even w/ GPS it's
> > easy to get on the wrong trail - which we did
> > several times. Tim's a real
> > wonder at GPS - and we still lost our way several
> > times. Saw several
> > immature Big Horn Sheep on this run.
> >
> > We ran into some wheelers from Tennessee, and did
> > Steel Bender the next day
> > with them. The trail was also a class 4 or so. A
> > word of advise to anyone
> > doing this one. The actual trail is also known as
> > Flat Pass. The FS has
> > marked a different (easier?) trail as Steel Bender -
> > so you really need to
> > rely and trust your GPS to get on the right trail.
> > This one was really quite
> > different, and included a number of very beautiful
> > water crossings. This is
> > the trail where I re broke my control arm bracket.
> > Lots of fun stuff,
> > including Dragon's Tail, and some other obstacles I
> > can't recall the names
> > of.
> >
> > THEN CAME HELLDORADO - WOW!!!! HOLY ****!!!! WOW!!!
> > FANTASTIC!!! WOW!!!, and
> > pretty good too. This trail is actually in 2 parts -
> > Lower and Upper - that
> > are actually 2 different canyons. We again hooked up
> > with the boys from
> > Tennessee. Let me tell you bout them. They all had
> > very beefy rigs. One CJ
> > had very full width axles - a rear Dana 70HD (from a
> > school bus!) and a
> > front Dana 70. The suspension was totally tricked
> > out with rear quarter
> > elliptical springs and triangulated rear suspension.
> > The flex was outta this
> > world. He was running 39.50 cut boggers. The Scout
> > had 2 normal D 70's - and
> > 38's - a YJ was running D60's and 36" SX's, and
> > another CJ was running D44's
> > and 35" swampers.
> >
> > Anyway - We started with lower first - which is a
> > 4.5 or so. A really
> > technical trail - and quite similar to the hard Az
> > style rock crawling. Tire
> > placement is critical. Interestingly enough - this
> > part of the trail gave
> > the big boys some problems, cause of the narrow and
> > hard to maneuver
> > obstacles. It was funastic, though - and we all made
> > it through with little
> > damage, aside from rocker scrapes, diff dragging,
> > and bar banging. A really
> > awesome trail.
> >
> > Then came Upper Helldorado, which is a 5+ - no ****.
> > Tim and I, and one of
> > the Tenn boys decided to spectate - cause major body
> > damage is guaranteed!
> > It's just huge obstacle after huge obstacle. First
> > through was the D44
> > equipped CJ. I was surprised he would do it and I
> > was sure he'd bust
> > something, but the driver (Greg) was superb. He
> > totally crunched his rear
> > quarter - but generally made it through. The big
> > boys were the most fun to
> > watch. The Scout - because of it's size, had the
> > most difficulty and the
> > most damage. Totally re-arraigned left rear quarter,
> > broken and bent
> > windshield, and other miscellaneous dents and
> > damage. Kinda like making a
> > 1330 joint fit in a 1310 yoke. But he made it. The -
> > the best of all was the
> > tricked out CJ - unbelievable flex. The coolest part
> > was the last obstacle,
> > which was a winch only spot - a 12'+ high vertical
> > climb (as in totally
> > vertical). He was convinced he could make it w/o a
> > winch and after several
> > attempts he ended up standing his jeep up on it's
> > tail - perfectly vertical.
> > He couldn't move or shift his weight or he's turn
> > turtle. Tim gingerly
> > stepped off the edge of the cliff on to his front
> > tire to grab the winch
> > cable. and we were able to get him up.
> >
> > As great as Helldorado was - the best by far was
> > Lockhart Basin (class 4).
> > Actually, we took a series of trails to do an all
> > day (as in 9 hours) from
> > Moab down to Canyonlands - where we camped. We were
> > in the middle of
> > nowhere - in the most stunning scenery I have ever
> > seen. We took the road
> > along the south back of the Colorado - to the
> > Chicken Corners trail - then
> > on to Harrah Pass trail, then on to Lockhart Basin
> > trail. This trip requires
> > an overnight to do it right. Since we were planning
> > to visit Canyonlands
> > anyway - this worked out great. For those that do
> > Moab, and don't visit
> > Canyonlands - you don't know what you're missing.
> > Really indescribable. You
> > end up passing through these HUGE canyons - one
> > right after another right
> > after another. They seemed to go on and on for ever.
> > Any one of them by
> > themselves would make an outstanding (and fairly
> > long) trip. Not too many
> > places left where you can do this type of wheeling.
> >
> > After a very long day of wheeling in the wilderness
> > - Tim found the greatest
> > campsite - Under a cottonwood, by the banks of
> > Indian Creek, where we were
> > treated to a sunset against the walls of several
> > beautiful canyons.
> >
> > Next day we did an early morning run on to Elephant
> > Hill trail (class 4 if
> > you want it to be). A really very pretty trail that
> > will take you to an
> > amazing overlook of the confluence of the Colorado
> > and Green rivers...in
> > deep canyons. The FS actually tries to maintain the
> > toughest obstacles, so
> > this trail is not as hard as it once was - but it's
> > still a fairly
> > challenging trail with a fantastic treat at the end
> > (the overlook).
> >
> > From there we reluctantly headed for home - pulling
> > into Flag at about 8pm
> > or so. We spent the night west of Flag then back to
> > Phoenix
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