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31448 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 7:21pm
Subject: RE: don't normally send this type of thing
That's interesting. Thanks for posting it, though I'm sure the OT police are on the way.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: David R. W. Withers [mailto:dr_ww@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 3:57 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] don't normally send this type of thing
If you want to see something weird, open Microsoft Word and type in NYC in upper case in like size 48 font. after that highlight it and convert it to wingding font. if that's too weird change it to webdings....
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31449 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 7:30pm
Subject: RE: Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
I'm going to have to agree with Joey K on this. BLM land is federal land and
state trust land is state land. They are managed by different organizations.
The permit we always refer to is the State Land Use Permit. As far as I know
BLM does not require a permit on most of its land.
Most of the people I wheel with believe in getting the State Land Use
permit. If you want to break the law then go ahead. But I don't think its
very wise to go on a public forum and advertise that you do. I have been
asked for my permit in the past. Unless you are actively hunting on State
Trust Land you are required to have one for all other purposes. Anything
else may lead to a trespassing charge.
Scott
---Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 6:23 PM
To: 'AZ Outlaws'
Cc: 'Az_Vjc'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
AJ Card,
I respectfully disagree. BLM and State Trust Land are two different
departments. BLM is an agency within the U.S. Department of Interior.
State Trust Land is managed by Arizona.
I unfortunatly do not know what the money from the sale of STL permits
go. I believe it goes into maintaining those lands for our use. Just
because everyone is doing 75 in a 65 does not make it right. A while
back it was brought up by the "greenies" that there are only small
amount of people using the land [legally]. They were noting the number
of permits issued.
Where do you get permits for traveling offroad on Reservation land? Is
there a central office downtown or do you have to go to the particular
Res for it?
Joey K
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AZ Outlaws [mailto:ArizonaOutlaws@w...]
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 5:33 PM
> To: DesertJeep
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
>
>
> Hi Joey,
>
> If I'm not mistaken, state trust land and BLM land are just
> about one in the same and managed by the State Land Dept.
> The "Arizona Road & Recreation Atlas" shows it as BLM land.
> Scott Duety's book, "Four Wheel Drive Trails..." also states
> a permit is required for traveling most of the states back
> roads, including Box Canyon. If I'm wrong, then I stand corrected.
>
> Your right about being responsible and I generally agree with
> you. On the other hand, why should I keep throwing good
> money away to use puplic land which is ours to begin with.
> When they start enforcing the use of permits and "everyone"
> has to have one, then I'll purchase said permit again. Sorta
> the same principle of always doing the speed limit... how
> many people do you know who actually drive 55 MPH on the
> freeways through town?
>
> I agree that the Indian reservations are tough about us using
> their land, that's why when we go, we purchase the required
> permits which costs $10.00 per person and also obey the law
> while there.
>
> In my travels around the world, I have never let fear of what
> may happen keep me from traveling. Follow their rules,
> respect their people and unless it's a war zone, just use
> common sense and travel in groups.
>
> Happy Trails,
> AJ Card
>
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31450 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 7:32pm
Subject: RE: Re: Email campaign needed
Thanks Mike! I'm going to forward this out to everyone I know.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike@A... [mailto:Mike@A...]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:47 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Email campaign needed
It is a shame that this country's own flag has become such a
controversy in the past few days. And to me it is even more shameful
that ASU is now a part of this controversy. The flag stands for
Freedom and the millions of Americans that gave up everything to
defend it. It does not, as some suggest, represent oppression.
Today we mourn the passing of an old friend, by the name of Common
Sense.
Common Sense lived a long life but died from heart failure on the
brink of the millennium. No one really knows how old he was since his
birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He
selflessly devoted his life to service in schools, hospitals, homes,
factories and offices, helping folks get jobs done without fanfare
and foolishness.
For decades, petty rules, silly laws and frivolous lawsuits held no
power over Common Sense. He was credited with cultivating such valued
lessons as to know when to come in out of the rain, the early bird
gets the worm, and life isn't always fair. Common Sense lived by
simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn),
reliable parenting strategies (the adults are in charge, not the
kids), and it's okay to come in second.
A veteran of the Industrial Revolution, the Great Depression, and the
Technological Revolution, Common Sense survived cultural and
educational trends including body piercing, whole language and "new
math." But his health declined when he became infected with the "If-
it-only-helps-one-person-it's-worth-it" virus. In recent decades his
waning strength proved no match for the ravages of overbearing
regulations.
He watched in pain as good people became ruled by self-seeking
lawyers. His health rapidly deteriorated when schools endlessly
implemented zero tolerance policies, reports of six-year-old boys
charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate, a teen
suspended for taking a swig of mouthwash after lunch, and a teacher
fired for reprimanding an unruly student. It declined even further
when schools had to get parental consent to administer aspirin to a
student but cannot inform the parent when the female student is
pregnant or wants an abortion.
Finally, Common Sense lost his will to live as the Ten Commandments
became contraband, churches became businesses, criminals received
better treatment than victims, and federal judges stuck their noses
in everything from Boy Scouts to professional sports. Finally a woman
who was stupid enough not to realize that coffee is hot and was
awarded a huge payoff caused Common Sense to finally throw in the
towel. As the end neared, Common Sense drifted in and out of logic
but was kept informed of developments, regarding questionable
regulations for asbestos, low flow toilets, bicycle helmets and
mandatory air bags.
Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents Truth and Trust;
his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son,
Reason. He is survived by two stepbrothers: My Rights and Ima Whiner.
Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.
---------------------------------------------------------
I AM THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
I am the flag of the United States of America. My name is Old Glory.
I fly atop the world's tallest buildings. I stand watch in America's
halls of justice. I fly majestically over institutions of learning. I
stand guard with power in the world. Look up and see me.
I stand for peace, honor, truth and justice. I stand for freedom. I
am confident. I am arrogant. I am proud.
When I am flown with my fellow banners, my head is a little higher,
my colors a little truer.
I bow to no one!
I am recognized all over the world. I am worshipped - I am saluted. I
am loved - I am revered. I am respected - and I am feared.
I have fought in every battle of every war for more than 200 years.
I was flown at Valley Forge, Gettysburg, Shiloh and Appomattox. I was
there at San Juan Hill, the trenches of France, in the Argonne
Forest, Anzio, Rome, and the beaches of Normandy, Guam, Okinawa,
Korea and KheSan, Saigon, Vietnam know me; I was there.
I led my troops, I was dirty, battle-worn and tired, but my soldiers
cheered me And I was proud.
I have been burned, torn and trampled on the streets of countries I
have helped set free. It does not hurt, for I am invincible.
I have been soiled upon, burned, torn and trampled on the streets of
my country.
And when it's by those whom I've served in battle - it hurts. But I
shall overcome - for I am strong.
I have slipped the bonds of Earth and stood watch over the uncharted
frontiers of space from my vantage-point on the moon.
I have borne silent witness to all of America's finest hours. But my
finest hours are yet to come.
When I am torn into strips and used as bandages for my wounded
comrades on the battlefield, when I am flown at half-mast to honor my
soldier, or when I lie in the trembling arms of a grieving parent at
the grave of their fallen son or daughter, I am proud.
MY NAME IS OLD GLORY LONG MAY I WAVE. DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN..LONG MAY I
WAVE.
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31451 From: Tammy Litzerman <emtlitzelman@e...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 7:54pm
Subject: Re: Re: Sound Bar
It just might be...you have no idea of the damage that I can do to something
that is perfectly fine...:-)
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From: <msa12171@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 7:31 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Sound Bar
> Is that a threat?! Bring it on! :)
>
> Mike Anderson
>
> >Beware though, as I get the money for more upgrades, I'll be needing
> >help:-)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Matt
>
>
>
>
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>
>
31452 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 8:07pm
Subject: RE: Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
Joey,
You are correct, it is the Arizona State Trust Land that requires a use
permit, issued for 365 days at a time (valid for one year from date of
purchase). If BLM requires a permit for individual wheelin', I've not heard
anything about it since I started.
I fully support this permit as it shows that I am using this land. I
clearly state on the permit that I am using my Jeep to drive on the land
(they have various classes of use). The next time some bean counter decides
to see if the land is being used by the off-road community, at least I know
that my actions are being counted. If folks skip around the $20 fee, I
believe they are doing themselves, and me, a disfavor.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 4:58 PM
To: ArizonaOutlaws@w...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
I thought you needed a permit for State Trust Land and not BLM. Please
correct me if I am wrong.
Re-newing your permit is not only to be on the land legally but to also
shows that people are being responsible.
I would not mess with traveling on Resevertion land. You may loose your
Jeep.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ArizonaOutlaws@w... [mailto:ArizonaOutlaws@w...]
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 4:31 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
>
>
> Hi Ben,
>
> Technically, whenever you're on BLM land you're supposed to
> have a permit. Box Canyon is on BLM land. I purchased
> permits for two years in a row from the BLM office in
> Phoenix. It costs $20.00 a year. I've been on BLM land alot
> including Box Canyon and have never been stopped by anyone. I
> did not renew my permit this year. If I get stopped I'll
> just play dumb.
>
> A word of caution tho, if you ever go off roading on the
> Indian reservations you will need to get a permit from the
> tribe whose land you're going to travel on. Again, I've
> never been stopped on reservation land but several people
> told me better safe than sorry when on their land.
>
> AJ & Beth Card
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., juggox@y... wrote:
> > A few of my freinds are wanting to make a run out to Box Canyon and
> > then over to the Coke Ovens. Does anyone know if I need a land use
> > permit for these trails? If so, where can I go to pick one up?
> >
> > TIA,
> > Ben
>
>
>
>
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31453 From: <Fourwhlcrzy@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 4:04pm
Subject: Re: roll bar pads
for custom cages, pipe insulation is dirt cheap. 2 piecs of 1/2" pipe insultion wrap a 2" pipe pretty good. Fly-n-hi sells 2 1/2" roll bar tape that holds up good in sun. you can do a full cage for about $20
daren
01 xj
52 m-38
31454 From: Joe C <joejeeps@h...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 8:23pm
Subject: 1/4 Panel Armor
I bought some 1/8 inch diamond plate steel rear 1/4 panel protectors
about 3 years ago for my Jeep. After years of smashing them into
everything for 3 years without any damage I finally managed to bend
one by falling into a large crack onto the rear 1/4. When I called
for a new one, he said he wasn't going to charge me, even though I
tried to pay. Anyway, the quality of these is excellent and the
service the best, so I feel obligated to pass on his address in case
anyone needs some. They can be mounted over damaged 1/4 panels and
still look great. http://www.4x4now.com/4wsbioy.htm
Also I recently installed a Belly up skid plate on my 95 YJ. Gives
you about 2.5" more clearance, best as I could measure from the stock
one, which was demolished. With the 6 cyl you have to have a 2" body
lift, short kit and weld on new perches at the correct angle. I have
an Atlas 2 and a high pinion 9 so I didn't have much driveline
problem and the perches where already welded for a 4" lift. I think
without a high pinion your driveline might be a problem. Also the
kit comes with spacers to raise the engine 1 inch for driveline
angle. I installed 1" mounts instead.
Joe Clarke
31455 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 8:18pm
Subject: Interesting ZJ coil compression information
I got a 4.5" replacement front coil from RE. RE refused to provide
compression information.
The new coil is 22.75" long, 13.25 windings, 5/6" (.625) wire, max
compression 13.20" (if possible).
We set up a coil compression measuring device in the barn using a
Health-O-Meter bathroom balance scale (bubble level, accurate to within
1/4-lb) on the 20-ton press. We used a Sears Craftsman measuring tape to
determine when the coil had compressed 1-inch. And a couple of pieces of
wood
The new RE 4.5" coil compresses at approx 170-lbs/in.
We found a factory ZJ front coil (1993, 4.0l, 4x4). The factory coil
compression was approx 110-lbs/in.
Neither coil is progressive.
We will be measuring the old (possibly prototype) RE 4.5" front coils
that I got back in 1997. I suspect their compression rate will be about
140-lbs/in.
Methinks that the new RE coil was designed for a V8 w/ARB bumper and
winch. It most certainly will be a less than desirable coil for a 4.0l
with no ARB bumper or winch.
I will be putting the coils on just to get the ZJ back on the road and
will most likely be ordering custom coils from National.
Anybody have an email address for Ryan Wallace? He worked (owned?)
Rubicon Express back in 1997. I would like to find out what happened
with the coil springs and the changes made to the RE control arms.
Linda
31456 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 8:26pm
Subject: Re: Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
Permits for travel (day trips and camping) on reservation land can, in
most cases, be picked up at bait shops and sporting goods stores. You
need to check around. The Rez' in Az have some pretty good fishing
holes.
Az State Trust Land is land held in trust and sold to highest bidder to
fund public education in Arizona. The recreation permit money, I
suspect, is just an added bonus. Thank Tammy Pike for her work in
promoting OHV recreation on ASTL.
BLM is land managed (like Joey said) by the federal government.
AZSTL and BLM are separate entities. The only time you need a permit to
access BLM land is for events that generate money or if you plan on
having a large group of people in one spot (Burning Man Festival for
example). Te average 4-wheeler need not be concerned with a permit
unless speciall access is required.
Yes, there are some 4x4 trails on government land that require permits,
but I can't think of any cases on BLM or ASTL. The ones I know of are
the Camino del Diablo (National Wildlife Refuge & Marine Gunnery Range)
and BullDog Canyon (National Forest, USDA).
Linda
DesertJeep wrote:
>
> AJ Card,
> I respectfully disagree. BLM and State Trust Land are two different
> departments. BLM is an agency within the U.S. Department of Interior.
> State Trust Land is managed by Arizona.
>
> I unfortunatly do not know what the money from the sale of STL permits
> go. I believe it goes into maintaining those lands for our use. Just
> because everyone is doing 75 in a 65 does not make it right. A while
> back it was brought up by the "greenies" that there are only small
> amount of people using the land [legally]. They were noting the number
> of permits issued.
>
> Where do you get permits for traveling offroad on Reservation land? Is
> there a central office downtown or do you have to go to the particular
> Res for it?
>
> Joey K
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AZ Outlaws [mailto:ArizonaOutlaws@w...]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 5:33 PM
> > To: DesertJeep
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
> >
> >
> > Hi Joey,
> >
> > If I'm not mistaken, state trust land and BLM land are just
> > about one in the same and managed by the State Land Dept.
> > The "Arizona Road & Recreation Atlas" shows it as BLM land.
> > Scott Duety's book, "Four Wheel Drive Trails..." also states
> > a permit is required for traveling most of the states back
> > roads, including Box Canyon. If I'm wrong, then I stand corrected.
> >
> > Your right about being responsible and I generally agree with
> > you. On the other hand, why should I keep throwing good
> > money away to use puplic land which is ours to begin with.
> > When they start enforcing the use of permits and "everyone"
> > has to have one, then I'll purchase said permit again. Sorta
> > the same principle of always doing the speed limit... how
> > many people do you know who actually drive 55 MPH on the
> > freeways through town?
> >
> > I agree that the Indian reservations are tough about us using
> > their land, that's why when we go, we purchase the required
> > permits which costs $10.00 per person and also obey the law
> > while there.
> >
> > In my travels around the world, I have never let fear of what
> > may happen keep me from traveling. Follow their rules,
> > respect their people and unless it's a war zone, just use
> > common sense and travel in groups.
> >
> > Happy Trails,
> > AJ Card
> >
>
>
>
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31457 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 8:30pm
Subject: Re: Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
Oops clarification: I can't think of any 4x4 trails on Az State Trust
Land that require special permits beyond the ASTL yearly permit.
Linda
linda luik wrote:
>
> Permits for travel (day trips and camping) on reservation land can, in
> most cases, be picked up at bait shops and sporting goods stores. You
> need to check around. The Rez' in Az have some pretty good fishing
> holes.
>
> Az State Trust Land is land held in trust and sold to highest bidder to
> fund public education in Arizona. The recreation permit money, I
> suspect, is just an added bonus. Thank Tammy Pike for her work in
> promoting OHV recreation on ASTL.
>
> BLM is land managed (like Joey said) by the federal government.
>
> AZSTL and BLM are separate entities. The only time you need a permit to
> access BLM land is for events that generate money or if you plan on
> having a large group of people in one spot (Burning Man Festival for
> example). Te average 4-wheeler need not be concerned with a permit
> unless speciall access is required.
>
> Yes, there are some 4x4 trails on government land that require permits,
> but I can't think of any cases on BLM or ASTL. The ones I know of are
> the Camino del Diablo (National Wildlife Refuge & Marine Gunnery Range)
> and BullDog Canyon (National Forest, USDA).
>
> Linda
>
> DesertJeep wrote:
> >
> > AJ Card,
> > I respectfully disagree. BLM and State Trust Land are two different
> > departments. BLM is an agency within the U.S. Department of Interior.
> > State Trust Land is managed by Arizona.
> >
> > I unfortunatly do not know what the money from the sale of STL permits
> > go. I believe it goes into maintaining those lands for our use. Just
> > because everyone is doing 75 in a 65 does not make it right. A while
> > back it was brought up by the "greenies" that there are only small
> > amount of people using the land [legally]. They were noting the number
> > of permits issued.
> >
> > Where do you get permits for traveling offroad on Reservation land? Is
> > there a central office downtown or do you have to go to the particular
> > Res for it?
> >
> > Joey K
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: AZ Outlaws [mailto:ArizonaOutlaws@w...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 5:33 PM
> > > To: DesertJeep
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Joey,
> > >
> > > If I'm not mistaken, state trust land and BLM land are just
> > > about one in the same and managed by the State Land Dept.
> > > The "Arizona Road & Recreation Atlas" shows it as BLM land.
> > > Scott Duety's book, "Four Wheel Drive Trails..." also states
> > > a permit is required for traveling most of the states back
> > > roads, including Box Canyon. If I'm wrong, then I stand corrected.
> > >
> > > Your right about being responsible and I generally agree with
> > > you. On the other hand, why should I keep throwing good
> > > money away to use puplic land which is ours to begin with.
> > > When they start enforcing the use of permits and "everyone"
> > > has to have one, then I'll purchase said permit again. Sorta
> > > the same principle of always doing the speed limit... how
> > > many people do you know who actually drive 55 MPH on the
> > > freeways through town?
> > >
> > > I agree that the Indian reservations are tough about us using
> > > their land, that's why when we go, we purchase the required
> > > permits which costs $10.00 per person and also obey the law
> > > while there.
> > >
> > > In my travels around the world, I have never let fear of what
> > > may happen keep me from traveling. Follow their rules,
> > > respect their people and unless it's a war zone, just use
> > > common sense and travel in groups.
> > >
> > > Happy Trails,
> > > AJ Card
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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31458 From: Earthlink <byrnehalverson@e...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 9:14pm
Subject: Fw: dear bin lauden
This is good
----- Original Message -----
From: John Rowan
To: Collen Byrne
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 5:55 PM
Subject: Fw: dear bin lauden
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Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 5:34 PM
Subject: Fw: dear bin lauden
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31459 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 9:24pm
Subject: [FS] Wanted: Good 3" or 4" suspension lift for 2001 TJ
Price: ?
Contact: blainedepue@yahoo.com
Anyone have one they can help me with?
Blaine DePue
31460 From: <FLEXYXJ@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 5:52pm
Subject: Re: roll bar pads
hmmm that explains the quantity of yellow fun noodle!!!!!!!! :) looks awesome anyway sharky!!!!!!!!!!
FlexyXJ
31461 From: Michael Pawlowski <michaelpawlowski@e...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 9:47pm
Subject: RE: Well...I finally broke down and bought a....
Another note to add....If you get a ccw, it flags your peronal police file
that you carry concealed. If a cop pulls you over, they will no that you
have a ccw permit when the run your info.
-----Original Message-----
From: Siade, Randy [mailto:randy.siade@u...]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 9:23 AM
To: 'arizonajeep@h...'; azvjc (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Well...I finally broke down and bought a....
Hey Joe - I was a federally licensed firearms dealer for many years and the
law in AZ is if it is in a holster you can keep it just about anywhere you
want. Your glove box, center consol, under your seat, etc. One major thing
to know is if you get pulled over by the police the first thing you need to
do is tell him you have a firearm in you vehicle. He will ask you for it and
after he is has finished his business with you he will return it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 5:32 PM
To: azvjc (E-mail)
Subject: [az_vjc] Well...I finally broke down and bought a....
Handgun.
I suspect, like many Americans; I was pushed over the top by the latest
round of violence. While I don't yet know if I will ever carry concealed, I
am taking a conceal carry class next week. I figure the training will be
good since it has been almost 30 years since I had formal training on a .45
caliber handgun. The idiot who killed the owner of my favorite gas station
last week was the straw that broke the camels back...
Jeep content: Those of you who have handguns, where do you carry them when
you are in your Jeep? It is my understanding that as long as they are in a
holster, you can carry them pretty much anywhere (the gentleman at the gun
store told me this).
Since this is weak in the Jeep content arena, please feel free to contact me
directly.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
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31462 From: <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 9:59pm
Subject: RE7000 4.5" lift
Well, FINALLY I am going to have a "real" lift. I ordered a
Rubicon Express 4.5" Superflex for the TJ today from Toybox Offroad.
What a great price, and great service. Thanks, guys.
Now, as soon as it comes in, who wants to take pity on me and
help me bolt it all on? I had a tread separation on two of the 31"
SSRs on I-10 the other day, so I am running the stock wheels and
tires. Yup, it will look funny until I get some new 35" MT-Rs on
there, but that will be soon enough.
So, who might be willing to bestow some knowledge and skill upon
me and my soon to be oh-so-cool Jeep? I would like to have the sye
by the time the lift kit gets here, which only leaves a cv driveshaft
to get. Any recommendations on driveshafts? gloeco? Dick's? RE?
What experiences any of you have would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Lachlan
31463 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 10:12pm
Subject: Re: RE7000 4.5" lift
Sounds like it is time for another wrenching party! I'm unavailable the
first 2.5 weekends in October. When do you get the lift?
Chris K
> From: jeepindog@y...
> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 04:59:12 -0000
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] RE7000 4.5" lift
>
> Well, FINALLY I am going to have a "real" lift. I ordered a
> Rubicon Express 4.5" Superflex for the TJ today from Toybox Offroad.
> What a great price, and great service. Thanks, guys.
>
> Now, as soon as it comes in, who wants to take pity on me and
> help me bolt it all on? I had a tread separation on two of the 31"
> SSRs on I-10 the other day, so I am running the stock wheels and
> tires. Yup, it will look funny until I get some new 35" MT-Rs on
> there, but that will be soon enough.
>
> So, who might be willing to bestow some knowledge and skill upon
> me and my soon to be oh-so-cool Jeep? I would like to have the sye
> by the time the lift kit gets here, which only leaves a cv driveshaft
> to get. Any recommendations on driveshafts? gloeco? Dick's? RE?
> What experiences any of you have would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lachlan
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
31464 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 6:19pm
Subject: Re: roll bar pads
hehehe Thanks :)
And it floats too! :)
Sharky
31465 From: <den143klc@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 11:29pm
Subject: Excellent Wrangler 4 SALE
88 Jeep Wrangler 4.2L SPORT EXTREME LOW MILES $10.000 with 4 inch Pro
Comp lift and 33x12.50x15 Pro Comp Mud Terrains with quick
disconnects. Weber high performance carb. kit brand new grey
interior, brand new best top with 3 other tops (bikini, and two soft
tops with half doors), 2000 dollar alpine stereo system, tuffy
security console 6 lights( 4 100 watt KC lights and two bumper
mounted factory lights) brand new radiator steel horse front bumper
and back bumper with receiver hitch receipts for everything. Very
clean a must to see to appreciate. Email attn. Dennis Jeep for
pictures at den143klc@a...
31466 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 11:46pm
Subject: OT: Bachelor Party on Saturday night
Hello!
My best man is throwing me a bachelor party on Saturday night. Any of you fellow AZVJC guys that want to come out are more than welcome. I've made friends with so many of you that I'd like to invite you all. Even those of you that I may have PO'd at one time or another ;) I've only got 2 short weeks left until I'm shackled and possibly never heard from again.
Please contact Phil sometime on Friday and let him know if you are coming over so he can forward you directions and make final preparations if you know what I mean. He lives near Northern and 39th Ave.
pbranson2@home.com 602-708-7445
Regards,
Scott
"Daddy Longlegs"
31467 From: The Madbrits <madbrit@c...>
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 1:46am
Subject: New Member needs Help.
Hi everyone,
I have just found out about this Yahoo Group.
Let me introduce myself. My name is Peter, I live just outside of Kingman
Az. in Golden Valley.
We recently traded in our '88 Cherokee which had a Pro-Comp 4" lift and 31"
BFGs for a Dakota 4x4, 4 door pickup as the wife needed a newer 4 door
pickup for her work as a Realtor in Golden Valley.
This left me without a "toy", so I started the search, well there are not
too many Jeeps for sale around here and those that were needed to be a
project. I already have enough projects with building a '54 Chevy for the
wife and converting a 40' Greyhound bus into a motorhome, so another project
was not acceptable at this time.
I eventually found just what I was searching for. I am now the proud owner
of a '77 CJ7, 304-V8, with a Turbo-400 and a Dana 20 t/case, along with 4.56
gears. Has a 3" body lift and a spring lift, 35x12.50 Dunlops and an 8000lb
Warn winch up front. Came with a bim(k)ini top and soft tops too. Goes
well, except the fact that the torque convertor is a little too tight for my
liking.
I do have one question of you all, can I tow this all 4 down? I have had
all sorts of different opinions, including that I can tow it all day at any
speed as long as the transfer case is in neutral, to leaving one hub locked
on the front axle, transfer case in neutral and transmission in Park. Any
help would be greatly appreciated.
The transfer case has a casting number: C18-15-24 8
The tag bolted on reads: 300596125
5357020
The speedo drive exits towards the driver's side and the tailhousing looks
very much like cast iron, so even though the tag starts with 300, I dont
think it is one. Also, the pan is about an inch or so deep. Thanks.
Peter.
31468 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 7:14am
Subject: [FS] FREE yj factory running boards/side steps
Price: 6 pk of beer??
Contact:
92 yj factory running boards/steps. These are the type that are integrated into the fender flares. Free to whom ever wants them. They are in near perfect condition.
31469 From: <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 8:23am
Subject: Pavilions this week???
I thought I remembered someone mentioning going ot the Pavilions thi
weekend. Do they still hang out on Saturday night? Is anyone going?
Please let me know if you are going, my email is till down, I will
check back here, but you can also call me.
Today at work: 480-774-4661
Pager: 602-871-4385
Thanks.
Chris R.
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31470 From: <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 8:50am
Subject: Re: RE7000 4.5" lift
Sounds fun! Count me in! What part of town do you live in Lachlan?
Chris and I are a mile apart in Chandler.
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...> wrote:
> Sounds like it is time for another wrenching party! I'm unavailable
the
> first 2.5 weekends in October. When do you get the lift?
>
> Chris K
>
> > From: jeepindog@y...
> > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 04:59:12 -0000
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] RE7000 4.5" lift
> >
> > Well, FINALLY I am going to have a "real" lift. I ordered a
> > Rubicon Express 4.5" Superflex for the TJ today from Toybox
Offroad.
> > What a great price, and great service. Thanks, guys.
> >
> > Now, as soon as it comes in, who wants to take pity on me and
> > help me bolt it all on? I had a tread separation on two of the
31"
> > SSRs on I-10 the other day, so I am running the stock wheels and
> > tires. Yup, it will look funny until I get some new 35" MT-Rs on
> > there, but that will be soon enough.
> >
> > So, who might be willing to bestow some knowledge and skill upon
> > me and my soon to be oh-so-cool Jeep? I would like to have the
sye
> > by the time the lift kit gets here, which only leaves a cv
driveshaft
> > to get. Any recommendations on driveshafts? gloeco? Dick's?
RE?
> > What experiences any of you have would be appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Lachlan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
31471 From: ROBERT NYBERG <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 8:47am
Subject: ASA4WDC Jamboree
Hey folks, are any of you going to the Jamboree this year? Kurt needs
your help. As of now there are 18 trail runs that need leaders and tail
gunners. If you would like to help out you will save $25.00 on
registration and get a free staff T shirt. I know some of these trails
are boring to some of you folks that need a challenge but just one trip
out of the four days would really help. Here is more info on what is
happening.
All,
There will be a Trip Leader/Tail End Meeting on Thursday evening,
September 27 , at 7:00 PM (6:00 PM if you want to eat dinner before
the meeting) at the Las Cazuelas Restaurant located at 1526 E. Main
Street in Mesa. It's between Stapley and Gilbert on the North side of
Main Street. I will be asking for your T-Shirt size at this meeting so
if you can not make this meeting, please e-mail it to me. Please pass
this information on to anyone I did not get on this e-mail list.
Thank you all for volunteering to be Trip Leaders/Tail Ends but as of
September 20th, there are still 18 Trails that need Trip Leaders.
Please ask your Club Members and 4X4 Friends if they would be interested
in leading any of these trails. You get $25 off your
Registration Fee and a Free Jamboree Staff T-Shirt.
I have scheduled the weekend of October 6&7 to do pre-runs starting at
9:00 AM both mornings. Yes I know this is Tucson's Trail Dust
Days weekend so if you are going to Tucson you will need to schedule
another time to pre-run your trail(s). I will be going out to the
Jamboree campsite Friday night through Sunday if anyone else wants to
camp out. Look for a '75 Yellow Bronco with no top or doors
parked by an Allegro Motorhome. I'm on CB Channel 4 and my Handle is
Big Bird. My RV Cell Phone number is 602-448-4798, my Alpha
Pager is 602-420-7799.
I look forward to seeing you all next Thursday.
Kurt Loga
2001 Jamboree Chairman
How bout it folks, any one want to help?
Bob
31472 From: Tammy Litzerman <emtlitzelman@e...>
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 9:10am
Subject: Re: [FS] FREE yj factory running boards/side steps
Would these fit a 94 YJ? If so, I'll take them if they're not already spoken for. You can give me a call on my cell at (602)-326-6597.
Thanks!
Matt
From: AzVJC Website
To: AzVJC
Se-t: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:14 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] FREE yj factory running boards/side steps
Price: 6 pk of beer??
Contact:
92 yj factory running boards/steps. These are the type that are integrated into the fender flares. Free to whom ever wants them. They are in near perfect condition.
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31448 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 7:21pm
Subject: RE: don't normally send this type of thing
That's interesting. Thanks for posting it, though I'm sure the OT police are on the way.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: David R. W. Withers [mailto:dr_ww@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 3:57 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] don't normally send this type of thing
If you want to see something weird, open Microsoft Word and type in NYC in upper case in like size 48 font. after that highlight it and convert it to wingding font. if that's too weird change it to webdings....
David R. W. Withers
Network Engineer/ Senior QA Engineer
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' 480-551-4667
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31449 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 7:30pm
Subject: RE: Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
I'm going to have to agree with Joey K on this. BLM land is federal land and
state trust land is state land. They are managed by different organizations.
The permit we always refer to is the State Land Use Permit. As far as I know
BLM does not require a permit on most of its land.
Most of the people I wheel with believe in getting the State Land Use
permit. If you want to break the law then go ahead. But I don't think its
very wise to go on a public forum and advertise that you do. I have been
asked for my permit in the past. Unless you are actively hunting on State
Trust Land you are required to have one for all other purposes. Anything
else may lead to a trespassing charge.
Scott
---Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 6:23 PM
To: 'AZ Outlaws'
Cc: 'Az_Vjc'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
AJ Card,
I respectfully disagree. BLM and State Trust Land are two different
departments. BLM is an agency within the U.S. Department of Interior.
State Trust Land is managed by Arizona.
I unfortunatly do not know what the money from the sale of STL permits
go. I believe it goes into maintaining those lands for our use. Just
because everyone is doing 75 in a 65 does not make it right. A while
back it was brought up by the "greenies" that there are only small
amount of people using the land [legally]. They were noting the number
of permits issued.
Where do you get permits for traveling offroad on Reservation land? Is
there a central office downtown or do you have to go to the particular
Res for it?
Joey K
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AZ Outlaws [mailto:ArizonaOutlaws@w...]
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 5:33 PM
> To: DesertJeep
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
>
>
> Hi Joey,
>
> If I'm not mistaken, state trust land and BLM land are just
> about one in the same and managed by the State Land Dept.
> The "Arizona Road & Recreation Atlas" shows it as BLM land.
> Scott Duety's book, "Four Wheel Drive Trails..." also states
> a permit is required for traveling most of the states back
> roads, including Box Canyon. If I'm wrong, then I stand corrected.
>
> Your right about being responsible and I generally agree with
> you. On the other hand, why should I keep throwing good
> money away to use puplic land which is ours to begin with.
> When they start enforcing the use of permits and "everyone"
> has to have one, then I'll purchase said permit again. Sorta
> the same principle of always doing the speed limit... how
> many people do you know who actually drive 55 MPH on the
> freeways through town?
>
> I agree that the Indian reservations are tough about us using
> their land, that's why when we go, we purchase the required
> permits which costs $10.00 per person and also obey the law
> while there.
>
> In my travels around the world, I have never let fear of what
> may happen keep me from traveling. Follow their rules,
> respect their people and unless it's a war zone, just use
> common sense and travel in groups.
>
> Happy Trails,
> AJ Card
>
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31450 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 7:32pm
Subject: RE: Re: Email campaign needed
Thanks Mike! I'm going to forward this out to everyone I know.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike@A... [mailto:Mike@A...]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:47 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Email campaign needed
It is a shame that this country's own flag has become such a
controversy in the past few days. And to me it is even more shameful
that ASU is now a part of this controversy. The flag stands for
Freedom and the millions of Americans that gave up everything to
defend it. It does not, as some suggest, represent oppression.
Today we mourn the passing of an old friend, by the name of Common
Sense.
Common Sense lived a long life but died from heart failure on the
brink of the millennium. No one really knows how old he was since his
birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He
selflessly devoted his life to service in schools, hospitals, homes,
factories and offices, helping folks get jobs done without fanfare
and foolishness.
For decades, petty rules, silly laws and frivolous lawsuits held no
power over Common Sense. He was credited with cultivating such valued
lessons as to know when to come in out of the rain, the early bird
gets the worm, and life isn't always fair. Common Sense lived by
simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn),
reliable parenting strategies (the adults are in charge, not the
kids), and it's okay to come in second.
A veteran of the Industrial Revolution, the Great Depression, and the
Technological Revolution, Common Sense survived cultural and
educational trends including body piercing, whole language and "new
math." But his health declined when he became infected with the "If-
it-only-helps-one-person-it's-worth-it" virus. In recent decades his
waning strength proved no match for the ravages of overbearing
regulations.
He watched in pain as good people became ruled by self-seeking
lawyers. His health rapidly deteriorated when schools endlessly
implemented zero tolerance policies, reports of six-year-old boys
charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate, a teen
suspended for taking a swig of mouthwash after lunch, and a teacher
fired for reprimanding an unruly student. It declined even further
when schools had to get parental consent to administer aspirin to a
student but cannot inform the parent when the female student is
pregnant or wants an abortion.
Finally, Common Sense lost his will to live as the Ten Commandments
became contraband, churches became businesses, criminals received
better treatment than victims, and federal judges stuck their noses
in everything from Boy Scouts to professional sports. Finally a woman
who was stupid enough not to realize that coffee is hot and was
awarded a huge payoff caused Common Sense to finally throw in the
towel. As the end neared, Common Sense drifted in and out of logic
but was kept informed of developments, regarding questionable
regulations for asbestos, low flow toilets, bicycle helmets and
mandatory air bags.
Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents Truth and Trust;
his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son,
Reason. He is survived by two stepbrothers: My Rights and Ima Whiner.
Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.
---------------------------------------------------------
I AM THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
I am the flag of the United States of America. My name is Old Glory.
I fly atop the world's tallest buildings. I stand watch in America's
halls of justice. I fly majestically over institutions of learning. I
stand guard with power in the world. Look up and see me.
I stand for peace, honor, truth and justice. I stand for freedom. I
am confident. I am arrogant. I am proud.
When I am flown with my fellow banners, my head is a little higher,
my colors a little truer.
I bow to no one!
I am recognized all over the world. I am worshipped - I am saluted. I
am loved - I am revered. I am respected - and I am feared.
I have fought in every battle of every war for more than 200 years.
I was flown at Valley Forge, Gettysburg, Shiloh and Appomattox. I was
there at San Juan Hill, the trenches of France, in the Argonne
Forest, Anzio, Rome, and the beaches of Normandy, Guam, Okinawa,
Korea and KheSan, Saigon, Vietnam know me; I was there.
I led my troops, I was dirty, battle-worn and tired, but my soldiers
cheered me And I was proud.
I have been burned, torn and trampled on the streets of countries I
have helped set free. It does not hurt, for I am invincible.
I have been soiled upon, burned, torn and trampled on the streets of
my country.
And when it's by those whom I've served in battle - it hurts. But I
shall overcome - for I am strong.
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frontiers of space from my vantage-point on the moon.
I have borne silent witness to all of America's finest hours. But my
finest hours are yet to come.
When I am torn into strips and used as bandages for my wounded
comrades on the battlefield, when I am flown at half-mast to honor my
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the grave of their fallen son or daughter, I am proud.
MY NAME IS OLD GLORY LONG MAY I WAVE. DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN..LONG MAY I
WAVE.
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31451 From: Tammy Litzerman <emtlitzelman@e...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 7:54pm
Subject: Re: Re: Sound Bar
It just might be...you have no idea of the damage that I can do to something
that is perfectly fine...:-)
----- Original Message -----
From: <msa12171@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 7:31 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Sound Bar
> Is that a threat?! Bring it on! :)
>
> Mike Anderson
>
> >Beware though, as I get the money for more upgrades, I'll be needing
> >help:-)
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Matt
>
>
>
>
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>
>
31452 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 8:07pm
Subject: RE: Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
Joey,
You are correct, it is the Arizona State Trust Land that requires a use
permit, issued for 365 days at a time (valid for one year from date of
purchase). If BLM requires a permit for individual wheelin', I've not heard
anything about it since I started.
I fully support this permit as it shows that I am using this land. I
clearly state on the permit that I am using my Jeep to drive on the land
(they have various classes of use). The next time some bean counter decides
to see if the land is being used by the off-road community, at least I know
that my actions are being counted. If folks skip around the $20 fee, I
believe they are doing themselves, and me, a disfavor.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 4:58 PM
To: ArizonaOutlaws@w...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
I thought you needed a permit for State Trust Land and not BLM. Please
correct me if I am wrong.
Re-newing your permit is not only to be on the land legally but to also
shows that people are being responsible.
I would not mess with traveling on Resevertion land. You may loose your
Jeep.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ArizonaOutlaws@w... [mailto:ArizonaOutlaws@w...]
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 4:31 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
>
>
> Hi Ben,
>
> Technically, whenever you're on BLM land you're supposed to
> have a permit. Box Canyon is on BLM land. I purchased
> permits for two years in a row from the BLM office in
> Phoenix. It costs $20.00 a year. I've been on BLM land alot
> including Box Canyon and have never been stopped by anyone. I
> did not renew my permit this year. If I get stopped I'll
> just play dumb.
>
> A word of caution tho, if you ever go off roading on the
> Indian reservations you will need to get a permit from the
> tribe whose land you're going to travel on. Again, I've
> never been stopped on reservation land but several people
> told me better safe than sorry when on their land.
>
> AJ & Beth Card
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., juggox@y... wrote:
> > A few of my freinds are wanting to make a run out to Box Canyon and
> > then over to the Coke Ovens. Does anyone know if I need a land use
> > permit for these trails? If so, where can I go to pick one up?
> >
> > TIA,
> > Ben
>
>
>
>
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> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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31453 From: <Fourwhlcrzy@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 4:04pm
Subject: Re: roll bar pads
for custom cages, pipe insulation is dirt cheap. 2 piecs of 1/2" pipe insultion wrap a 2" pipe pretty good. Fly-n-hi sells 2 1/2" roll bar tape that holds up good in sun. you can do a full cage for about $20
daren
01 xj
52 m-38
31454 From: Joe C <joejeeps@h...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 8:23pm
Subject: 1/4 Panel Armor
I bought some 1/8 inch diamond plate steel rear 1/4 panel protectors
about 3 years ago for my Jeep. After years of smashing them into
everything for 3 years without any damage I finally managed to bend
one by falling into a large crack onto the rear 1/4. When I called
for a new one, he said he wasn't going to charge me, even though I
tried to pay. Anyway, the quality of these is excellent and the
service the best, so I feel obligated to pass on his address in case
anyone needs some. They can be mounted over damaged 1/4 panels and
still look great. http://www.4x4now.com/4wsbioy.htm
Also I recently installed a Belly up skid plate on my 95 YJ. Gives
you about 2.5" more clearance, best as I could measure from the stock
one, which was demolished. With the 6 cyl you have to have a 2" body
lift, short kit and weld on new perches at the correct angle. I have
an Atlas 2 and a high pinion 9 so I didn't have much driveline
problem and the perches where already welded for a 4" lift. I think
without a high pinion your driveline might be a problem. Also the
kit comes with spacers to raise the engine 1 inch for driveline
angle. I installed 1" mounts instead.
Joe Clarke
31455 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 8:18pm
Subject: Interesting ZJ coil compression information
I got a 4.5" replacement front coil from RE. RE refused to provide
compression information.
The new coil is 22.75" long, 13.25 windings, 5/6" (.625) wire, max
compression 13.20" (if possible).
We set up a coil compression measuring device in the barn using a
Health-O-Meter bathroom balance scale (bubble level, accurate to within
1/4-lb) on the 20-ton press. We used a Sears Craftsman measuring tape to
determine when the coil had compressed 1-inch. And a couple of pieces of
wood
The new RE 4.5" coil compresses at approx 170-lbs/in.
We found a factory ZJ front coil (1993, 4.0l, 4x4). The factory coil
compression was approx 110-lbs/in.
Neither coil is progressive.
We will be measuring the old (possibly prototype) RE 4.5" front coils
that I got back in 1997. I suspect their compression rate will be about
140-lbs/in.
Methinks that the new RE coil was designed for a V8 w/ARB bumper and
winch. It most certainly will be a less than desirable coil for a 4.0l
with no ARB bumper or winch.
I will be putting the coils on just to get the ZJ back on the road and
will most likely be ordering custom coils from National.
Anybody have an email address for Ryan Wallace? He worked (owned?)
Rubicon Express back in 1997. I would like to find out what happened
with the coil springs and the changes made to the RE control arms.
Linda
31456 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 8:26pm
Subject: Re: Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
Permits for travel (day trips and camping) on reservation land can, in
most cases, be picked up at bait shops and sporting goods stores. You
need to check around. The Rez' in Az have some pretty good fishing
holes.
Az State Trust Land is land held in trust and sold to highest bidder to
fund public education in Arizona. The recreation permit money, I
suspect, is just an added bonus. Thank Tammy Pike for her work in
promoting OHV recreation on ASTL.
BLM is land managed (like Joey said) by the federal government.
AZSTL and BLM are separate entities. The only time you need a permit to
access BLM land is for events that generate money or if you plan on
having a large group of people in one spot (Burning Man Festival for
example). Te average 4-wheeler need not be concerned with a permit
unless speciall access is required.
Yes, there are some 4x4 trails on government land that require permits,
but I can't think of any cases on BLM or ASTL. The ones I know of are
the Camino del Diablo (National Wildlife Refuge & Marine Gunnery Range)
and BullDog Canyon (National Forest, USDA).
Linda
DesertJeep wrote:
>
> AJ Card,
> I respectfully disagree. BLM and State Trust Land are two different
> departments. BLM is an agency within the U.S. Department of Interior.
> State Trust Land is managed by Arizona.
>
> I unfortunatly do not know what the money from the sale of STL permits
> go. I believe it goes into maintaining those lands for our use. Just
> because everyone is doing 75 in a 65 does not make it right. A while
> back it was brought up by the "greenies" that there are only small
> amount of people using the land [legally]. They were noting the number
> of permits issued.
>
> Where do you get permits for traveling offroad on Reservation land? Is
> there a central office downtown or do you have to go to the particular
> Res for it?
>
> Joey K
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AZ Outlaws [mailto:ArizonaOutlaws@w...]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 5:33 PM
> > To: DesertJeep
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
> >
> >
> > Hi Joey,
> >
> > If I'm not mistaken, state trust land and BLM land are just
> > about one in the same and managed by the State Land Dept.
> > The "Arizona Road & Recreation Atlas" shows it as BLM land.
> > Scott Duety's book, "Four Wheel Drive Trails..." also states
> > a permit is required for traveling most of the states back
> > roads, including Box Canyon. If I'm wrong, then I stand corrected.
> >
> > Your right about being responsible and I generally agree with
> > you. On the other hand, why should I keep throwing good
> > money away to use puplic land which is ours to begin with.
> > When they start enforcing the use of permits and "everyone"
> > has to have one, then I'll purchase said permit again. Sorta
> > the same principle of always doing the speed limit... how
> > many people do you know who actually drive 55 MPH on the
> > freeways through town?
> >
> > I agree that the Indian reservations are tough about us using
> > their land, that's why when we go, we purchase the required
> > permits which costs $10.00 per person and also obey the law
> > while there.
> >
> > In my travels around the world, I have never let fear of what
> > may happen keep me from traveling. Follow their rules,
> > respect their people and unless it's a war zone, just use
> > common sense and travel in groups.
> >
> > Happy Trails,
> > AJ Card
> >
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
31457 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 8:30pm
Subject: Re: Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
Oops clarification: I can't think of any 4x4 trails on Az State Trust
Land that require special permits beyond the ASTL yearly permit.
Linda
linda luik wrote:
>
> Permits for travel (day trips and camping) on reservation land can, in
> most cases, be picked up at bait shops and sporting goods stores. You
> need to check around. The Rez' in Az have some pretty good fishing
> holes.
>
> Az State Trust Land is land held in trust and sold to highest bidder to
> fund public education in Arizona. The recreation permit money, I
> suspect, is just an added bonus. Thank Tammy Pike for her work in
> promoting OHV recreation on ASTL.
>
> BLM is land managed (like Joey said) by the federal government.
>
> AZSTL and BLM are separate entities. The only time you need a permit to
> access BLM land is for events that generate money or if you plan on
> having a large group of people in one spot (Burning Man Festival for
> example). Te average 4-wheeler need not be concerned with a permit
> unless speciall access is required.
>
> Yes, there are some 4x4 trails on government land that require permits,
> but I can't think of any cases on BLM or ASTL. The ones I know of are
> the Camino del Diablo (National Wildlife Refuge & Marine Gunnery Range)
> and BullDog Canyon (National Forest, USDA).
>
> Linda
>
> DesertJeep wrote:
> >
> > AJ Card,
> > I respectfully disagree. BLM and State Trust Land are two different
> > departments. BLM is an agency within the U.S. Department of Interior.
> > State Trust Land is managed by Arizona.
> >
> > I unfortunatly do not know what the money from the sale of STL permits
> > go. I believe it goes into maintaining those lands for our use. Just
> > because everyone is doing 75 in a 65 does not make it right. A while
> > back it was brought up by the "greenies" that there are only small
> > amount of people using the land [legally]. They were noting the number
> > of permits issued.
> >
> > Where do you get permits for traveling offroad on Reservation land? Is
> > there a central office downtown or do you have to go to the particular
> > Res for it?
> >
> > Joey K
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: AZ Outlaws [mailto:ArizonaOutlaws@w...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 5:33 PM
> > > To: DesertJeep
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Joey,
> > >
> > > If I'm not mistaken, state trust land and BLM land are just
> > > about one in the same and managed by the State Land Dept.
> > > The "Arizona Road & Recreation Atlas" shows it as BLM land.
> > > Scott Duety's book, "Four Wheel Drive Trails..." also states
> > > a permit is required for traveling most of the states back
> > > roads, including Box Canyon. If I'm wrong, then I stand corrected.
> > >
> > > Your right about being responsible and I generally agree with
> > > you. On the other hand, why should I keep throwing good
> > > money away to use puplic land which is ours to begin with.
> > > When they start enforcing the use of permits and "everyone"
> > > has to have one, then I'll purchase said permit again. Sorta
> > > the same principle of always doing the speed limit... how
> > > many people do you know who actually drive 55 MPH on the
> > > freeways through town?
> > >
> > > I agree that the Indian reservations are tough about us using
> > > their land, that's why when we go, we purchase the required
> > > permits which costs $10.00 per person and also obey the law
> > > while there.
> > >
> > > In my travels around the world, I have never let fear of what
> > > may happen keep me from traveling. Follow their rules,
> > > respect their people and unless it's a war zone, just use
> > > common sense and travel in groups.
> > >
> > > Happy Trails,
> > > AJ Card
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
31458 From: Earthlink <byrnehalverson@e...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 9:14pm
Subject: Fw: dear bin lauden
This is good
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From: John Rowan
To: Collen Byrne
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 5:55 PM
Subject: Fw: dear bin lauden
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To: jrowan@ucom.net
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 5:34 PM
Subject: Fw: dear bin lauden
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31459 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 9:24pm
Subject: [FS] Wanted: Good 3" or 4" suspension lift for 2001 TJ
Price: ?
Contact: blainedepue@yahoo.com
Anyone have one they can help me with?
Blaine DePue
31460 From: <FLEXYXJ@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 5:52pm
Subject: Re: roll bar pads
hmmm that explains the quantity of yellow fun noodle!!!!!!!! :) looks awesome anyway sharky!!!!!!!!!!
FlexyXJ
31461 From: Michael Pawlowski <michaelpawlowski@e...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 9:47pm
Subject: RE: Well...I finally broke down and bought a....
Another note to add....If you get a ccw, it flags your peronal police file
that you carry concealed. If a cop pulls you over, they will no that you
have a ccw permit when the run your info.
-----Original Message-----
From: Siade, Randy [mailto:randy.siade@u...]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 9:23 AM
To: 'arizonajeep@h...'; azvjc (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Well...I finally broke down and bought a....
Hey Joe - I was a federally licensed firearms dealer for many years and the
law in AZ is if it is in a holster you can keep it just about anywhere you
want. Your glove box, center consol, under your seat, etc. One major thing
to know is if you get pulled over by the police the first thing you need to
do is tell him you have a firearm in you vehicle. He will ask you for it and
after he is has finished his business with you he will return it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 5:32 PM
To: azvjc (E-mail)
Subject: [az_vjc] Well...I finally broke down and bought a....
Handgun.
I suspect, like many Americans; I was pushed over the top by the latest
round of violence. While I don't yet know if I will ever carry concealed, I
am taking a conceal carry class next week. I figure the training will be
good since it has been almost 30 years since I had formal training on a .45
caliber handgun. The idiot who killed the owner of my favorite gas station
last week was the straw that broke the camels back...
Jeep content: Those of you who have handguns, where do you carry them when
you are in your Jeep? It is my understanding that as long as they are in a
holster, you can carry them pretty much anywhere (the gentleman at the gun
store told me this).
Since this is weak in the Jeep content arena, please feel free to contact me
directly.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
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31462 From: <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 9:59pm
Subject: RE7000 4.5" lift
Well, FINALLY I am going to have a "real" lift. I ordered a
Rubicon Express 4.5" Superflex for the TJ today from Toybox Offroad.
What a great price, and great service. Thanks, guys.
Now, as soon as it comes in, who wants to take pity on me and
help me bolt it all on? I had a tread separation on two of the 31"
SSRs on I-10 the other day, so I am running the stock wheels and
tires. Yup, it will look funny until I get some new 35" MT-Rs on
there, but that will be soon enough.
So, who might be willing to bestow some knowledge and skill upon
me and my soon to be oh-so-cool Jeep? I would like to have the sye
by the time the lift kit gets here, which only leaves a cv driveshaft
to get. Any recommendations on driveshafts? gloeco? Dick's? RE?
What experiences any of you have would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Lachlan
31463 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 10:12pm
Subject: Re: RE7000 4.5" lift
Sounds like it is time for another wrenching party! I'm unavailable the
first 2.5 weekends in October. When do you get the lift?
Chris K
> From: jeepindog@y...
> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 04:59:12 -0000
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] RE7000 4.5" lift
>
> Well, FINALLY I am going to have a "real" lift. I ordered a
> Rubicon Express 4.5" Superflex for the TJ today from Toybox Offroad.
> What a great price, and great service. Thanks, guys.
>
> Now, as soon as it comes in, who wants to take pity on me and
> help me bolt it all on? I had a tread separation on two of the 31"
> SSRs on I-10 the other day, so I am running the stock wheels and
> tires. Yup, it will look funny until I get some new 35" MT-Rs on
> there, but that will be soon enough.
>
> So, who might be willing to bestow some knowledge and skill upon
> me and my soon to be oh-so-cool Jeep? I would like to have the sye
> by the time the lift kit gets here, which only leaves a cv driveshaft
> to get. Any recommendations on driveshafts? gloeco? Dick's? RE?
> What experiences any of you have would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lachlan
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
31464 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 6:19pm
Subject: Re: roll bar pads
hehehe Thanks :)
And it floats too! :)
Sharky
31465 From: <den143klc@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 11:29pm
Subject: Excellent Wrangler 4 SALE
88 Jeep Wrangler 4.2L SPORT EXTREME LOW MILES $10.000 with 4 inch Pro
Comp lift and 33x12.50x15 Pro Comp Mud Terrains with quick
disconnects. Weber high performance carb. kit brand new grey
interior, brand new best top with 3 other tops (bikini, and two soft
tops with half doors), 2000 dollar alpine stereo system, tuffy
security console 6 lights( 4 100 watt KC lights and two bumper
mounted factory lights) brand new radiator steel horse front bumper
and back bumper with receiver hitch receipts for everything. Very
clean a must to see to appreciate. Email attn. Dennis Jeep for
pictures at den143klc@a...
31466 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 11:46pm
Subject: OT: Bachelor Party on Saturday night
Hello!
My best man is throwing me a bachelor party on Saturday night. Any of you fellow AZVJC guys that want to come out are more than welcome. I've made friends with so many of you that I'd like to invite you all. Even those of you that I may have PO'd at one time or another ;) I've only got 2 short weeks left until I'm shackled and possibly never heard from again.
Please contact Phil sometime on Friday and let him know if you are coming over so he can forward you directions and make final preparations if you know what I mean. He lives near Northern and 39th Ave.
pbranson2@home.com 602-708-7445
Regards,
Scott
"Daddy Longlegs"
31467 From: The Madbrits <madbrit@c...>
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 1:46am
Subject: New Member needs Help.
Hi everyone,
I have just found out about this Yahoo Group.
Let me introduce myself. My name is Peter, I live just outside of Kingman
Az. in Golden Valley.
We recently traded in our '88 Cherokee which had a Pro-Comp 4" lift and 31"
BFGs for a Dakota 4x4, 4 door pickup as the wife needed a newer 4 door
pickup for her work as a Realtor in Golden Valley.
This left me without a "toy", so I started the search, well there are not
too many Jeeps for sale around here and those that were needed to be a
project. I already have enough projects with building a '54 Chevy for the
wife and converting a 40' Greyhound bus into a motorhome, so another project
was not acceptable at this time.
I eventually found just what I was searching for. I am now the proud owner
of a '77 CJ7, 304-V8, with a Turbo-400 and a Dana 20 t/case, along with 4.56
gears. Has a 3" body lift and a spring lift, 35x12.50 Dunlops and an 8000lb
Warn winch up front. Came with a bim(k)ini top and soft tops too. Goes
well, except the fact that the torque convertor is a little too tight for my
liking.
I do have one question of you all, can I tow this all 4 down? I have had
all sorts of different opinions, including that I can tow it all day at any
speed as long as the transfer case is in neutral, to leaving one hub locked
on the front axle, transfer case in neutral and transmission in Park. Any
help would be greatly appreciated.
The transfer case has a casting number: C18-15-24 8
The tag bolted on reads: 300596125
5357020
The speedo drive exits towards the driver's side and the tailhousing looks
very much like cast iron, so even though the tag starts with 300, I dont
think it is one. Also, the pan is about an inch or so deep. Thanks.
Peter.
31468 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 7:14am
Subject: [FS] FREE yj factory running boards/side steps
Price: 6 pk of beer??
Contact:
92 yj factory running boards/steps. These are the type that are integrated into the fender flares. Free to whom ever wants them. They are in near perfect condition.
31469 From: <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 8:23am
Subject: Pavilions this week???
I thought I remembered someone mentioning going ot the Pavilions thi
weekend. Do they still hang out on Saturday night? Is anyone going?
Please let me know if you are going, my email is till down, I will
check back here, but you can also call me.
Today at work: 480-774-4661
Pager: 602-871-4385
Thanks.
Chris R.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
31470 From: <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 8:50am
Subject: Re: RE7000 4.5" lift
Sounds fun! Count me in! What part of town do you live in Lachlan?
Chris and I are a mile apart in Chandler.
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...> wrote:
> Sounds like it is time for another wrenching party! I'm unavailable
the
> first 2.5 weekends in October. When do you get the lift?
>
> Chris K
>
> > From: jeepindog@y...
> > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 04:59:12 -0000
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] RE7000 4.5" lift
> >
> > Well, FINALLY I am going to have a "real" lift. I ordered a
> > Rubicon Express 4.5" Superflex for the TJ today from Toybox
Offroad.
> > What a great price, and great service. Thanks, guys.
> >
> > Now, as soon as it comes in, who wants to take pity on me and
> > help me bolt it all on? I had a tread separation on two of the
31"
> > SSRs on I-10 the other day, so I am running the stock wheels and
> > tires. Yup, it will look funny until I get some new 35" MT-Rs on
> > there, but that will be soon enough.
> >
> > So, who might be willing to bestow some knowledge and skill upon
> > me and my soon to be oh-so-cool Jeep? I would like to have the
sye
> > by the time the lift kit gets here, which only leaves a cv
driveshaft
> > to get. Any recommendations on driveshafts? gloeco? Dick's?
RE?
> > What experiences any of you have would be appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Lachlan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
31471 From: ROBERT NYBERG <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 8:47am
Subject: ASA4WDC Jamboree
Hey folks, are any of you going to the Jamboree this year? Kurt needs
your help. As of now there are 18 trail runs that need leaders and tail
gunners. If you would like to help out you will save $25.00 on
registration and get a free staff T shirt. I know some of these trails
are boring to some of you folks that need a challenge but just one trip
out of the four days would really help. Here is more info on what is
happening.
All,
There will be a Trip Leader/Tail End Meeting on Thursday evening,
September 27 , at 7:00 PM (6:00 PM if you want to eat dinner before
the meeting) at the Las Cazuelas Restaurant located at 1526 E. Main
Street in Mesa. It's between Stapley and Gilbert on the North side of
Main Street. I will be asking for your T-Shirt size at this meeting so
if you can not make this meeting, please e-mail it to me. Please pass
this information on to anyone I did not get on this e-mail list.
Thank you all for volunteering to be Trip Leaders/Tail Ends but as of
September 20th, there are still 18 Trails that need Trip Leaders.
Please ask your Club Members and 4X4 Friends if they would be interested
in leading any of these trails. You get $25 off your
Registration Fee and a Free Jamboree Staff T-Shirt.
I have scheduled the weekend of October 6&7 to do pre-runs starting at
9:00 AM both mornings. Yes I know this is Tucson's Trail Dust
Days weekend so if you are going to Tucson you will need to schedule
another time to pre-run your trail(s). I will be going out to the
Jamboree campsite Friday night through Sunday if anyone else wants to
camp out. Look for a '75 Yellow Bronco with no top or doors
parked by an Allegro Motorhome. I'm on CB Channel 4 and my Handle is
Big Bird. My RV Cell Phone number is 602-448-4798, my Alpha
Pager is 602-420-7799.
I look forward to seeing you all next Thursday.
Kurt Loga
2001 Jamboree Chairman
How bout it folks, any one want to help?
Bob
31472 From: Tammy Litzerman <emtlitzelman@e...>
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2001 9:10am
Subject: Re: [FS] FREE yj factory running boards/side steps
Would these fit a 94 YJ? If so, I'll take them if they're not already spoken for. You can give me a call on my cell at (602)-326-6597.
Thanks!
Matt
From: AzVJC Website
To: AzVJC
Se-t: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:14 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] FREE yj factory running boards/side steps
Price: 6 pk of beer??
Contact:
92 yj factory running boards/steps. These are the type that are integrated into the fender flares. Free to whom ever wants them. They are in near perfect condition.
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