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31418 From: <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 10:30am
Subject: My Email is Broken...
For anyone I sent an email to please accept my apologies for not
responding if you have written back as my email is down and I have no
access to it. I hope it will be back up soon. Until then I will have
to check the yahoo site for messages, I do have a back up email you
can send to, let me know if you need it(just post here and put HEY
CHRIS R. in the subject).
This is also why you may get a message that your message was not
delivered to my email as it may be full and I can't clean it out.
Thanks.
Chris R.
My1stJeep@e...
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31419 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 11:25am
Subject: Email campaign needed
Members of AzVJC,
As some might have heard the associated students of ASU have voted to not
fly the flag in the Memorial Union of ASU. The associated students felt that
this might offend some people. Although the students made this vote the
President of ASU, Lattie Coor has not stepped in on the side of the US and
demanded that the flag be flown, as he could do.
I am asking that everyone email Mr. Coor and ask/demand that he steps in.
This is a public school and your tax dollars go to fund education here.
Please be respectful of his position but, put pressure on him as Arizona and
US taxpayers.
His email address is: mailto:Lattie.Coor@a...
Thank you for your help. Don't let the American spirit slip away.
--James
31420 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 0:14pm
Subject: [FS] 4" CJ LIFT
Price: $250.00 OBO
Contact: (602)526-2584
PRO-COMP 4" LIFT. PRO COMP SHOCKS INCLUDED. IVE ONLY HAD THIS KIT ON MY JEEP FOR A FEW MONTHS...GOING SPRUNG OVER, SO I NEED TO GET RID OF THESE.
Chris Jean
31421 From: Brian Pavlich <brian.pavlich@i...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 0:31pm
Subject: RE: Email campaign needed
I dont want to offend anyone but, a vote is a vote isn't it?
Hearing things said like "on the side of the US" scares me. That sounds like Facism.
Think about it..
- Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@asu.edu]
Subject: [az_vjc] Email campaign needed
Members of AzVJC,
As some might have heard the associated students of ASU have voted to not
fly the flag in the Memorial Union of ASU. The associated students felt that
this might offend some people. Although the students made this vote the
President of ASU, Lattie Coor has not stepped in on the side of the US and
demanded that the flag be flown, as he could do.
I am asking that everyone email Mr. Coor and ask/demand that he steps in.
This is a public school and your tax dollars go to fund education here.
Please be respectful of his position but, put pressure on him as Arizona and
US taxpayers.
His email address is: mailto:Lattie.Coor@asu.edu
Thank you for your help. Don't let the American spirit slip away.
--James
31422 From: <msa12171@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 0:44pm
Subject: HEY CHRIS R. ! ! !
Are you still planning on going on a run with me this Sat.? Let me
know asap. Call me at work.
Mike Anderson
31423 From: <Mike@A...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 0:47pm
Subject: Re: Email campaign needed
It is a shame that this country's own flag has become such a
controversy in the past few days. And to me it is even more shameful
that ASU is now a part of this controversy. The flag stands for
Freedom and the millions of Americans that gave up everything to
defend it. It does not, as some suggest, represent oppression.
Today we mourn the passing of an old friend, by the name of Common
Sense.
Common Sense lived a long life but died from heart failure on the
brink of the millennium. No one really knows how old he was since his
birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He
selflessly devoted his life to service in schools, hospitals, homes,
factories and offices, helping folks get jobs done without fanfare
and foolishness.
For decades, petty rules, silly laws and frivolous lawsuits held no
power over Common Sense. He was credited with cultivating such valued
lessons as to know when to come in out of the rain, the early bird
gets the worm, and life isn't always fair. Common Sense lived by
simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn),
reliable parenting strategies (the adults are in charge, not the
kids), and it's okay to come in second.
A veteran of the Industrial Revolution, the Great Depression, and the
Technological Revolution, Common Sense survived cultural and
educational trends including body piercing, whole language and "new
math." But his health declined when he became infected with the "If-
it-only-helps-one-person-it's-worth-it" virus. In recent decades his
waning strength proved no match for the ravages of overbearing
regulations.
He watched in pain as good people became ruled by self-seeking
lawyers. His health rapidly deteriorated when schools endlessly
implemented zero tolerance policies, reports of six-year-old boys
charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate, a teen
suspended for taking a swig of mouthwash after lunch, and a teacher
fired for reprimanding an unruly student. It declined even further
when schools had to get parental consent to administer aspirin to a
student but cannot inform the parent when the female student is
pregnant or wants an abortion.
Finally, Common Sense lost his will to live as the Ten Commandments
became contraband, churches became businesses, criminals received
better treatment than victims, and federal judges stuck their noses
in everything from Boy Scouts to professional sports. Finally a woman
who was stupid enough not to realize that coffee is hot and was
awarded a huge payoff caused Common Sense to finally throw in the
towel. As the end neared, Common Sense drifted in and out of logic
but was kept informed of developments, regarding questionable
regulations for asbestos, low flow toilets, bicycle helmets and
mandatory air bags.
Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents Truth and Trust;
his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son,
Reason. He is survived by two stepbrothers: My Rights and Ima Whiner.
Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.
---------------------------------------------------------
I AM THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
I am the flag of the United States of America. My name is Old Glory.
I fly atop the world's tallest buildings. I stand watch in America's
halls of justice. I fly majestically over institutions of learning. I
stand guard with power in the world. Look up and see me.
I stand for peace, honor, truth and justice. I stand for freedom. I
am confident. I am arrogant. I am proud.
When I am flown with my fellow banners, my head is a little higher,
my colors a little truer.
I bow to no one!
I am recognized all over the world. I am worshipped - I am saluted. I
am loved - I am revered. I am respected - and I am feared.
I have fought in every battle of every war for more than 200 years.
I was flown at Valley Forge, Gettysburg, Shiloh and Appomattox. I was
there at San Juan Hill, the trenches of France, in the Argonne
Forest, Anzio, Rome, and the beaches of Normandy, Guam, Okinawa,
Korea and KheSan, Saigon, Vietnam know me; I was there.
I led my troops, I was dirty, battle-worn and tired, but my soldiers
cheered me And I was proud.
I have been burned, torn and trampled on the streets of countries I
have helped set free. It does not hurt, for I am invincible.
I have been soiled upon, burned, torn and trampled on the streets of
my country.
And when it's by those whom I've served in battle - it hurts. But I
shall overcome - for I am strong.
I have slipped the bonds of Earth and stood watch over the uncharted
frontiers of space from my vantage-point on the moon.
I have borne silent witness to all of America's finest hours. But my
finest hours are yet to come.
When I am torn into strips and used as bandages for my wounded
comrades on the battlefield, when I am flown at half-mast to honor my
soldier, or when I lie in the trembling arms of a grieving parent at
the grave of their fallen son or daughter, I am proud.
MY NAME IS OLD GLORY LONG MAY I WAVE. DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN..LONG MAY I
WAVE.
31424 From: TRobertsRN <TRobertsRN@e...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 0:53pm
Subject: roll bar pads
I had OR FAB put a roll cage in the Cherokee. I am in need of some pads for same. I am in Mesa near Power and Brown. Where should I go shopping for these. I am also looking for straps to attach to roll cage for passengers to grab. My girlfriend calls these OH SH*T handles.
Tom
78 Cherokee Wide Trac
31425 From: <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 1:03pm
Subject: Re: Email campaign needed
I agree a vote is a vote. The flip side to that is what are they
doing in our country if they don't like it enough to fly the flag?
I have had it up to hear with people complaining about America, if you
don't like it leave it. I personally see it as an insult to not fly
the flag and in light of what has happened(the personal attack on us
all) I find it more appauling. What was going through their heads?
This is total disrespect for the country and those whose lives were
lost last week.
If you love the country, why would you not fly the flag? If you want
to be here and are proud would you not want to show it?
Yes a vote is a vote, but it really scares me to work down the street
from them, I know another 19 or so that would not fly the flag too and
look what they did.
This was no way intended to offend anyone nor disrespect anyone. If
you want email my account and I will respond(when it comes up),
let's not take up everyone's bandwidth if you disagree with me.
Chris R.
My1stJeep@e...
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--- In az_vjc@y..., "Brian Pavlich" <brian.pavlich@i...> wrote:
> I dont want to offend anyone but, a vote is a vote isn't it?
>
> Hearing things said like "on the side of the US" scares me. That
sounds like
> Facism.
>
> Think about it..
>
> - Brian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
> Subject: [az_vjc] Email campaign needed
>
>
> Members of AzVJC,
>
> As some might have heard the associated students of ASU have voted
to not
> fly the flag in the Memorial Union of ASU. The associated students
felt that
> this might offend some people. Although the students made this vote
the
> President of ASU, Lattie Coor has not stepped in on the side of the
US and
> demanded that the flag be flown, as he could do.
> I am asking that everyone email Mr. Coor and ask/demand that he
steps in.
> This is a public school and your tax dollars go to fund education
here.
> Please be respectful of his position but, put pressure on him as
Arizona and
> US taxpayers.
> His email address is: mailto:Lattie.Coor@a...
>
> Thank you for your help. Don't let the American spirit slip away.
>
> --James
31426 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 2:21pm
Subject: U.S. Flag on A.S.U. Campus
Dear Mr. Coor,
My name is Roger Tomas and I am an alumni of A.S.U. I've recently heard
about a decision not to fly the American flag on the A.S.U. campus due
to the possibility that certain people may be offended. This is an
outrage. It is an embarassment to our country and an insult to those
who have fought for our freedoms - especially to those who have made
the ultimate sacrifice. It is also an insult to the victims of the
recent terrorist attacks. We are currently in a period of mourning
and flags are to be flown at half-mast in memorium to those victims.
If what I've heard is incorrect and my comments are unwarranted, please
accept my apology. Otherwise, I ask that you please correct this wrong.
Thank you.
Roger Tomas
College of Engineering and Applied Sciences
Class of '84
31427 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 2:23pm
Subject: Re: Re: Email campaign needed
Excellent articles, Mike. If we are not willing to fly our flag
because we might offend someone, then we have already given up
at least one freedom and we've already started to lose the battle.
-Roger
Mike@A... wrote:
>
> It is a shame that this country's own flag has become such a
> controversy in the past few days. And to me it is even more shameful
> that ASU is now a part of this controversy. The flag stands for
> Freedom and the millions of Americans that gave up everything to
> defend it. It does not, as some suggest, represent oppression.
>
> Today we mourn the passing of an old friend, by the name of Common
> Sense.
>
> Common Sense lived a long life but died from heart failure on the
> brink of the millennium. No one really knows how old he was since his
> birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He
> selflessly devoted his life to service in schools, hospitals, homes,
> factories and offices, helping folks get jobs done without fanfare
> and foolishness.
>
> For decades, petty rules, silly laws and frivolous lawsuits held no
> power over Common Sense. He was credited with cultivating such valued
> lessons as to know when to come in out of the rain, the early bird
> gets the worm, and life isn't always fair. Common Sense lived by
> simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn),
> reliable parenting strategies (the adults are in charge, not the
> kids), and it's okay to come in second.
>
> A veteran of the Industrial Revolution, the Great Depression, and the
> Technological Revolution, Common Sense survived cultural and
> educational trends including body piercing, whole language and "new
> math." But his health declined when he became infected with the "If-
> it-only-helps-one-person-it's-worth-it" virus. In recent decades his
> waning strength proved no match for the ravages of overbearing
> regulations.
>
> He watched in pain as good people became ruled by self-seeking
> lawyers. His health rapidly deteriorated when schools endlessly
> implemented zero tolerance policies, reports of six-year-old boys
> charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate, a teen
> suspended for taking a swig of mouthwash after lunch, and a teacher
> fired for reprimanding an unruly student. It declined even further
> when schools had to get parental consent to administer aspirin to a
> student but cannot inform the parent when the female student is
> pregnant or wants an abortion.
>
> Finally, Common Sense lost his will to live as the Ten Commandments
> became contraband, churches became businesses, criminals received
> better treatment than victims, and federal judges stuck their noses
> in everything from Boy Scouts to professional sports. Finally a woman
> who was stupid enough not to realize that coffee is hot and was
> awarded a huge payoff caused Common Sense to finally throw in the
> towel. As the end neared, Common Sense drifted in and out of logic
> but was kept informed of developments, regarding questionable
> regulations for asbestos, low flow toilets, bicycle helmets and
> mandatory air bags.
>
> Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents Truth and Trust;
> his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son,
> Reason. He is survived by two stepbrothers: My Rights and Ima Whiner.
>
> Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> I AM THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
>
> I am the flag of the United States of America. My name is Old Glory.
> I fly atop the world's tallest buildings. I stand watch in America's
> halls of justice. I fly majestically over institutions of learning. I
> stand guard with power in the world. Look up and see me.
>
> I stand for peace, honor, truth and justice. I stand for freedom. I
> am confident. I am arrogant. I am proud.
>
> When I am flown with my fellow banners, my head is a little higher,
> my colors a little truer.
>
> I bow to no one!
> I am recognized all over the world. I am worshipped - I am saluted. I
> am loved - I am revered. I am respected - and I am feared.
>
> I have fought in every battle of every war for more than 200 years.
>
> I was flown at Valley Forge, Gettysburg, Shiloh and Appomattox. I was
> there at San Juan Hill, the trenches of France, in the Argonne
> Forest, Anzio, Rome, and the beaches of Normandy, Guam, Okinawa,
> Korea and KheSan, Saigon, Vietnam know me; I was there.
>
> I led my troops, I was dirty, battle-worn and tired, but my soldiers
> cheered me And I was proud.
>
> I have been burned, torn and trampled on the streets of countries I
> have helped set free. It does not hurt, for I am invincible.
>
> I have been soiled upon, burned, torn and trampled on the streets of
> my country.
>
> And when it's by those whom I've served in battle - it hurts. But I
> shall overcome - for I am strong.
>
> I have slipped the bonds of Earth and stood watch over the uncharted
> frontiers of space from my vantage-point on the moon.
>
> I have borne silent witness to all of America's finest hours. But my
> finest hours are yet to come.
>
> When I am torn into strips and used as bandages for my wounded
> comrades on the battlefield, when I am flown at half-mast to honor my
> soldier, or when I lie in the trembling arms of a grieving parent at
> the grave of their fallen son or daughter, I am proud.
>
> MY NAME IS OLD GLORY LONG MAY I WAVE. DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN..LONG MAY I
> WAVE.
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
31428 From: <juggox@y...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 2:43pm
Subject: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
A few of my freinds are wanting to make a run out to Box Canyon and
then over to the Coke Ovens. Does anyone know if I need a land use
permit for these trails? If so, where can I go to pick one up?
TIA,
Ben
31429 From: David R. W. Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 3:35pm
Subject: is the group dead today
?????
David R. W. Withers
Network Engineer/ Senior QA Engineer
È 480-215-6992
' 480-551-4667
dwithers@atstraffic.com
31430 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 3:47pm
Subject: RE: roll bar pads
I think Sharky said he gets his at Shasta Pools in the Fun Noodle isle. ;-)
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
-----Original Message-----
From: TRobertsRN [mailto:TRobertsRN@email.msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:53 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] roll bar pads
I had OR FAB put a roll cage in the Cherokee. I am in need of some pads for same. I am in Mesa near Power and Brown. Where should I go shopping for these. I am also looking for straps to attach to roll cage for passengers to grab. My girlfriend calls these OH SH*T handles.
Tom
78 Cherokee Wide Trac
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
31431 From: David R. W. Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 3:56pm
Subject: don't normally send this type of thing
If you want to see something weird, open Microsoft Word and type in NYC in upper case in like size 48 font. after that highlight it and convert it to wingding font. if that's too weird change it to webdings....
David R. W. Withers
Network Engineer/ Senior QA Engineer
È 480-215-6992
' 480-551-4667
dwithers@atstraffic.com
31432 From: David R. W. Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 4:00pm
Subject: Club image and toy drive
My "Jeep" job, I work at Papa John;s in Ahwatukee. So if we ever get together for meetings or anything else group related I can get a ton of pizza for free or next to free. But only if it's in Ahwatukee or west chandler.
Side note: If you live in Ahwatukee give me a call and If I'm working I'll give you a HUGE discount.
David R. W. Withers
Network Engineer/ Senior QA Engineer
È 480-215-6992
' 480-551-4667
dwithers@atstraffic.com
31433 From: Ken Borer <kborer@i...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 3:33pm
Subject: Re: don't normally send this type of thing
Boy - someone has some free time at work today!!!
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: David R. W. Withers
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 3:56 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] don't normally send this type of thing
If you want to see something weird, open Microsoft Word and type in NYC in upper case in like size 48 font. after that highlight it and convert it to wingding font. if that's too weird change it to webdings....
David R. W. Withers
Network Engineer/ Senior QA Engineer
È 480-215-6992
' 480-551-4667
dwithers@atstraffic.com
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
31434 From: The Jeep Goddess <Roxie@t...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 4:03pm
Subject: OT - Place for rent?
Speaking of moving - Or shall I say - speaking of moving WAY earlier than
expected...
If anyone knows of a room that will be coming up for rent in the next
month or two - please email me off list. I have 2 cats (indoor only,
can stay inside my room if necessary) and two jeeps. Need a home for all
of us ;-)
Other option is cheap apartments that allow cats (Phoenix/East Valley
area BTW) - I'm not IN AZ - so any ideas on links to where I can find
them for there would be appreciated...Thanks!
ROXIE
31435 From: <ArizonaOutlaws@w...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 4:31pm
Subject: Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
Hi Ben,
Technically, whenever you're on BLM land you're supposed to have a permit. Box Canyon is on BLM land. I purchased permits for two years in a row from the BLM office in Phoenix. It costs $20.00 a year. I've been on BLM land alot including Box Canyon and have never been stopped by anyone. I did not renew my permit this year. If I get stopped I'll just play dumb.
A word of caution tho, if you ever go off roading on the Indian reservations you will need to get a permit from the tribe whose land you're going to travel on. Again, I've never been stopped on reservation land but several people told me better safe than sorry when on their land.
AJ & Beth Card
--- In az_vjc@y..., juggox@y... wrote:
> A few of my freinds are wanting to make a run out to Box Canyon and
> then over to the Coke Ovens. Does anyone know if I need a land use
> permit for these trails? If so, where can I go to pick one up?
>
> TIA,
> Ben
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Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 4:41pm
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31437 From: ROBERT NYBERG <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 4:45pm
Subject: Hey Chris R.
Chris
Please call me about your parts. 480-987-0259
Bob
31438 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 4:57pm
Subject: RE: Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
I thought you needed a permit for State Trust Land and not BLM. Please
correct me if I am wrong.
Re-newing your permit is not only to be on the land legally but to also
shows that people are being responsible.
I would not mess with traveling on Resevertion land. You may loose your
Jeep.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ArizonaOutlaws@w... [mailto:ArizonaOutlaws@w...]
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 4:31 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
>
>
> Hi Ben,
>
> Technically, whenever you're on BLM land you're supposed to
> have a permit. Box Canyon is on BLM land. I purchased
> permits for two years in a row from the BLM office in
> Phoenix. It costs $20.00 a year. I've been on BLM land alot
> including Box Canyon and have never been stopped by anyone. I
> did not renew my permit this year. If I get stopped I'll
> just play dumb.
>
> A word of caution tho, if you ever go off roading on the
> Indian reservations you will need to get a permit from the
> tribe whose land you're going to travel on. Again, I've
> never been stopped on reservation land but several people
> told me better safe than sorry when on their land.
>
> AJ & Beth Card
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., juggox@y... wrote:
> > A few of my freinds are wanting to make a run out to Box Canyon and
> > then over to the Coke Ovens. Does anyone know if I need a land use
> > permit for these trails? If so, where can I go to pick one up?
> >
> > TIA,
> > Ben
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
31444 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 6:22pm
Subject: RE: Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
AJ Card,
I respectfully disagree. BLM and State Trust Land are two different
departments. BLM is an agency within the U.S. Department of Interior.
State Trust Land is managed by Arizona.
I unfortunatly do not know what the money from the sale of STL permits
go. I believe it goes into maintaining those lands for our use. Just
because everyone is doing 75 in a 65 does not make it right. A while
back it was brought up by the "greenies" that there are only small
amount of people using the land [legally]. They were noting the number
of permits issued.
Where do you get permits for traveling offroad on Reservation land? Is
there a central office downtown or do you have to go to the particular
Res for it?
Joey K
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AZ Outlaws [mailto:ArizonaOutlaws@w...]
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 5:33 PM
> To: DesertJeep
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
>
>
> Hi Joey,
>
> If I'm not mistaken, state trust land and BLM land are just
> about one in the same and managed by the State Land Dept.
> The "Arizona Road & Recreation Atlas" shows it as BLM land.
> Scott Duety's book, "Four Wheel Drive Trails..." also states
> a permit is required for traveling most of the states back
> roads, including Box Canyon. If I'm wrong, then I stand corrected.
>
> Your right about being responsible and I generally agree with
> you. On the other hand, why should I keep throwing good
> money away to use puplic land which is ours to begin with.
> When they start enforcing the use of permits and "everyone"
> has to have one, then I'll purchase said permit again. Sorta
> the same principle of always doing the speed limit... how
> many people do you know who actually drive 55 MPH on the
> freeways through town?
>
> I agree that the Indian reservations are tough about us using
> their land, that's why when we go, we purchase the required
> permits which costs $10.00 per person and also obey the law
> while there.
>
> In my travels around the world, I have never let fear of what
> may happen keep me from traveling. Follow their rules,
> respect their people and unless it's a war zone, just use
> common sense and travel in groups.
>
> Happy Trails,
> AJ Card
>
31445 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 2:55pm
Subject: Re: roll bar pads
I got my pads at West Coast Racing Supply, they are foam pads and they have a wide variety of colors. If you go there tell them I sent you and mention the club and you will get them for $1.50 for 3ft. instead of $4.99-$5.99 that everyone else sells them for.
Sharky
31446 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 2:56pm
Subject: Re: roll bar pads
Ouch ...that hurts...see what you started Smitty :)
P.S. Shasta is all out, so I dont know what to tell you :)
Sharky and the fun noodle mobile
31447 From: <paparoach@q...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 7:09pm
Subject: Re: Email campaign needed
All I can say is...what the @##!@$
You must be kidding me. If the sight of the American flag offends
you, then get the @#!@$# out of our country.
What kind of school are they running down in Tempe?
Times like these make me proud that I'm a WILDCAT!!!
Les Roach
--- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> Members of AzVJC,
>
> As some might have heard the associated students of ASU have voted
to not
> fly the flag in the Memorial Union of ASU. The associated students
felt that
> this might offend some people. Although the students made this vote
the
> President of ASU, Lattie Coor has not stepped in on the side of the
US and
> demanded that the flag be flown, as he could do.
> I am asking that everyone email Mr. Coor and ask/demand that he
steps in.
> This is a public school and your tax dollars go to fund education
here.
> Please be respectful of his position but, put pressure on him as
Arizona and
> US taxpayers.
> His email address is: mailto:Lattie.Coor@a...
>
> Thank you for your help. Don't let the American spirit slip away.
>
> --James
31418 From: <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 10:30am
Subject: My Email is Broken...
For anyone I sent an email to please accept my apologies for not
responding if you have written back as my email is down and I have no
access to it. I hope it will be back up soon. Until then I will have
to check the yahoo site for messages, I do have a back up email you
can send to, let me know if you need it(just post here and put HEY
CHRIS R. in the subject).
This is also why you may get a message that your message was not
delivered to my email as it may be full and I can't clean it out.
Thanks.
Chris R.
My1stJeep@e...
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31419 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 11:25am
Subject: Email campaign needed
Members of AzVJC,
As some might have heard the associated students of ASU have voted to not
fly the flag in the Memorial Union of ASU. The associated students felt that
this might offend some people. Although the students made this vote the
President of ASU, Lattie Coor has not stepped in on the side of the US and
demanded that the flag be flown, as he could do.
I am asking that everyone email Mr. Coor and ask/demand that he steps in.
This is a public school and your tax dollars go to fund education here.
Please be respectful of his position but, put pressure on him as Arizona and
US taxpayers.
His email address is: mailto:Lattie.Coor@a...
Thank you for your help. Don't let the American spirit slip away.
--James
31420 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 0:14pm
Subject: [FS] 4" CJ LIFT
Price: $250.00 OBO
Contact: (602)526-2584
PRO-COMP 4" LIFT. PRO COMP SHOCKS INCLUDED. IVE ONLY HAD THIS KIT ON MY JEEP FOR A FEW MONTHS...GOING SPRUNG OVER, SO I NEED TO GET RID OF THESE.
Chris Jean
31421 From: Brian Pavlich <brian.pavlich@i...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 0:31pm
Subject: RE: Email campaign needed
I dont want to offend anyone but, a vote is a vote isn't it?
Hearing things said like "on the side of the US" scares me. That sounds like Facism.
Think about it..
- Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@asu.edu]
Subject: [az_vjc] Email campaign needed
Members of AzVJC,
As some might have heard the associated students of ASU have voted to not
fly the flag in the Memorial Union of ASU. The associated students felt that
this might offend some people. Although the students made this vote the
President of ASU, Lattie Coor has not stepped in on the side of the US and
demanded that the flag be flown, as he could do.
I am asking that everyone email Mr. Coor and ask/demand that he steps in.
This is a public school and your tax dollars go to fund education here.
Please be respectful of his position but, put pressure on him as Arizona and
US taxpayers.
His email address is: mailto:Lattie.Coor@asu.edu
Thank you for your help. Don't let the American spirit slip away.
--James
31422 From: <msa12171@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 0:44pm
Subject: HEY CHRIS R. ! ! !
Are you still planning on going on a run with me this Sat.? Let me
know asap. Call me at work.
Mike Anderson
31423 From: <Mike@A...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 0:47pm
Subject: Re: Email campaign needed
It is a shame that this country's own flag has become such a
controversy in the past few days. And to me it is even more shameful
that ASU is now a part of this controversy. The flag stands for
Freedom and the millions of Americans that gave up everything to
defend it. It does not, as some suggest, represent oppression.
Today we mourn the passing of an old friend, by the name of Common
Sense.
Common Sense lived a long life but died from heart failure on the
brink of the millennium. No one really knows how old he was since his
birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He
selflessly devoted his life to service in schools, hospitals, homes,
factories and offices, helping folks get jobs done without fanfare
and foolishness.
For decades, petty rules, silly laws and frivolous lawsuits held no
power over Common Sense. He was credited with cultivating such valued
lessons as to know when to come in out of the rain, the early bird
gets the worm, and life isn't always fair. Common Sense lived by
simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn),
reliable parenting strategies (the adults are in charge, not the
kids), and it's okay to come in second.
A veteran of the Industrial Revolution, the Great Depression, and the
Technological Revolution, Common Sense survived cultural and
educational trends including body piercing, whole language and "new
math." But his health declined when he became infected with the "If-
it-only-helps-one-person-it's-worth-it" virus. In recent decades his
waning strength proved no match for the ravages of overbearing
regulations.
He watched in pain as good people became ruled by self-seeking
lawyers. His health rapidly deteriorated when schools endlessly
implemented zero tolerance policies, reports of six-year-old boys
charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate, a teen
suspended for taking a swig of mouthwash after lunch, and a teacher
fired for reprimanding an unruly student. It declined even further
when schools had to get parental consent to administer aspirin to a
student but cannot inform the parent when the female student is
pregnant or wants an abortion.
Finally, Common Sense lost his will to live as the Ten Commandments
became contraband, churches became businesses, criminals received
better treatment than victims, and federal judges stuck their noses
in everything from Boy Scouts to professional sports. Finally a woman
who was stupid enough not to realize that coffee is hot and was
awarded a huge payoff caused Common Sense to finally throw in the
towel. As the end neared, Common Sense drifted in and out of logic
but was kept informed of developments, regarding questionable
regulations for asbestos, low flow toilets, bicycle helmets and
mandatory air bags.
Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents Truth and Trust;
his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son,
Reason. He is survived by two stepbrothers: My Rights and Ima Whiner.
Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.
---------------------------------------------------------
I AM THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
I am the flag of the United States of America. My name is Old Glory.
I fly atop the world's tallest buildings. I stand watch in America's
halls of justice. I fly majestically over institutions of learning. I
stand guard with power in the world. Look up and see me.
I stand for peace, honor, truth and justice. I stand for freedom. I
am confident. I am arrogant. I am proud.
When I am flown with my fellow banners, my head is a little higher,
my colors a little truer.
I bow to no one!
I am recognized all over the world. I am worshipped - I am saluted. I
am loved - I am revered. I am respected - and I am feared.
I have fought in every battle of every war for more than 200 years.
I was flown at Valley Forge, Gettysburg, Shiloh and Appomattox. I was
there at San Juan Hill, the trenches of France, in the Argonne
Forest, Anzio, Rome, and the beaches of Normandy, Guam, Okinawa,
Korea and KheSan, Saigon, Vietnam know me; I was there.
I led my troops, I was dirty, battle-worn and tired, but my soldiers
cheered me And I was proud.
I have been burned, torn and trampled on the streets of countries I
have helped set free. It does not hurt, for I am invincible.
I have been soiled upon, burned, torn and trampled on the streets of
my country.
And when it's by those whom I've served in battle - it hurts. But I
shall overcome - for I am strong.
I have slipped the bonds of Earth and stood watch over the uncharted
frontiers of space from my vantage-point on the moon.
I have borne silent witness to all of America's finest hours. But my
finest hours are yet to come.
When I am torn into strips and used as bandages for my wounded
comrades on the battlefield, when I am flown at half-mast to honor my
soldier, or when I lie in the trembling arms of a grieving parent at
the grave of their fallen son or daughter, I am proud.
MY NAME IS OLD GLORY LONG MAY I WAVE. DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN..LONG MAY I
WAVE.
31424 From: TRobertsRN <TRobertsRN@e...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 0:53pm
Subject: roll bar pads
I had OR FAB put a roll cage in the Cherokee. I am in need of some pads for same. I am in Mesa near Power and Brown. Where should I go shopping for these. I am also looking for straps to attach to roll cage for passengers to grab. My girlfriend calls these OH SH*T handles.
Tom
78 Cherokee Wide Trac
31425 From: <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 1:03pm
Subject: Re: Email campaign needed
I agree a vote is a vote. The flip side to that is what are they
doing in our country if they don't like it enough to fly the flag?
I have had it up to hear with people complaining about America, if you
don't like it leave it. I personally see it as an insult to not fly
the flag and in light of what has happened(the personal attack on us
all) I find it more appauling. What was going through their heads?
This is total disrespect for the country and those whose lives were
lost last week.
If you love the country, why would you not fly the flag? If you want
to be here and are proud would you not want to show it?
Yes a vote is a vote, but it really scares me to work down the street
from them, I know another 19 or so that would not fly the flag too and
look what they did.
This was no way intended to offend anyone nor disrespect anyone. If
you want email my account and I will respond(when it comes up),
let's not take up everyone's bandwidth if you disagree with me.
Chris R.
My1stJeep@e...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Brian Pavlich" <brian.pavlich@i...> wrote:
> I dont want to offend anyone but, a vote is a vote isn't it?
>
> Hearing things said like "on the side of the US" scares me. That
sounds like
> Facism.
>
> Think about it..
>
> - Brian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
> Subject: [az_vjc] Email campaign needed
>
>
> Members of AzVJC,
>
> As some might have heard the associated students of ASU have voted
to not
> fly the flag in the Memorial Union of ASU. The associated students
felt that
> this might offend some people. Although the students made this vote
the
> President of ASU, Lattie Coor has not stepped in on the side of the
US and
> demanded that the flag be flown, as he could do.
> I am asking that everyone email Mr. Coor and ask/demand that he
steps in.
> This is a public school and your tax dollars go to fund education
here.
> Please be respectful of his position but, put pressure on him as
Arizona and
> US taxpayers.
> His email address is: mailto:Lattie.Coor@a...
>
> Thank you for your help. Don't let the American spirit slip away.
>
> --James
31426 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 2:21pm
Subject: U.S. Flag on A.S.U. Campus
Dear Mr. Coor,
My name is Roger Tomas and I am an alumni of A.S.U. I've recently heard
about a decision not to fly the American flag on the A.S.U. campus due
to the possibility that certain people may be offended. This is an
outrage. It is an embarassment to our country and an insult to those
who have fought for our freedoms - especially to those who have made
the ultimate sacrifice. It is also an insult to the victims of the
recent terrorist attacks. We are currently in a period of mourning
and flags are to be flown at half-mast in memorium to those victims.
If what I've heard is incorrect and my comments are unwarranted, please
accept my apology. Otherwise, I ask that you please correct this wrong.
Thank you.
Roger Tomas
College of Engineering and Applied Sciences
Class of '84
31427 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 2:23pm
Subject: Re: Re: Email campaign needed
Excellent articles, Mike. If we are not willing to fly our flag
because we might offend someone, then we have already given up
at least one freedom and we've already started to lose the battle.
-Roger
Mike@A... wrote:
>
> It is a shame that this country's own flag has become such a
> controversy in the past few days. And to me it is even more shameful
> that ASU is now a part of this controversy. The flag stands for
> Freedom and the millions of Americans that gave up everything to
> defend it. It does not, as some suggest, represent oppression.
>
> Today we mourn the passing of an old friend, by the name of Common
> Sense.
>
> Common Sense lived a long life but died from heart failure on the
> brink of the millennium. No one really knows how old he was since his
> birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He
> selflessly devoted his life to service in schools, hospitals, homes,
> factories and offices, helping folks get jobs done without fanfare
> and foolishness.
>
> For decades, petty rules, silly laws and frivolous lawsuits held no
> power over Common Sense. He was credited with cultivating such valued
> lessons as to know when to come in out of the rain, the early bird
> gets the worm, and life isn't always fair. Common Sense lived by
> simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn),
> reliable parenting strategies (the adults are in charge, not the
> kids), and it's okay to come in second.
>
> A veteran of the Industrial Revolution, the Great Depression, and the
> Technological Revolution, Common Sense survived cultural and
> educational trends including body piercing, whole language and "new
> math." But his health declined when he became infected with the "If-
> it-only-helps-one-person-it's-worth-it" virus. In recent decades his
> waning strength proved no match for the ravages of overbearing
> regulations.
>
> He watched in pain as good people became ruled by self-seeking
> lawyers. His health rapidly deteriorated when schools endlessly
> implemented zero tolerance policies, reports of six-year-old boys
> charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate, a teen
> suspended for taking a swig of mouthwash after lunch, and a teacher
> fired for reprimanding an unruly student. It declined even further
> when schools had to get parental consent to administer aspirin to a
> student but cannot inform the parent when the female student is
> pregnant or wants an abortion.
>
> Finally, Common Sense lost his will to live as the Ten Commandments
> became contraband, churches became businesses, criminals received
> better treatment than victims, and federal judges stuck their noses
> in everything from Boy Scouts to professional sports. Finally a woman
> who was stupid enough not to realize that coffee is hot and was
> awarded a huge payoff caused Common Sense to finally throw in the
> towel. As the end neared, Common Sense drifted in and out of logic
> but was kept informed of developments, regarding questionable
> regulations for asbestos, low flow toilets, bicycle helmets and
> mandatory air bags.
>
> Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents Truth and Trust;
> his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son,
> Reason. He is survived by two stepbrothers: My Rights and Ima Whiner.
>
> Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> I AM THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
>
> I am the flag of the United States of America. My name is Old Glory.
> I fly atop the world's tallest buildings. I stand watch in America's
> halls of justice. I fly majestically over institutions of learning. I
> stand guard with power in the world. Look up and see me.
>
> I stand for peace, honor, truth and justice. I stand for freedom. I
> am confident. I am arrogant. I am proud.
>
> When I am flown with my fellow banners, my head is a little higher,
> my colors a little truer.
>
> I bow to no one!
> I am recognized all over the world. I am worshipped - I am saluted. I
> am loved - I am revered. I am respected - and I am feared.
>
> I have fought in every battle of every war for more than 200 years.
>
> I was flown at Valley Forge, Gettysburg, Shiloh and Appomattox. I was
> there at San Juan Hill, the trenches of France, in the Argonne
> Forest, Anzio, Rome, and the beaches of Normandy, Guam, Okinawa,
> Korea and KheSan, Saigon, Vietnam know me; I was there.
>
> I led my troops, I was dirty, battle-worn and tired, but my soldiers
> cheered me And I was proud.
>
> I have been burned, torn and trampled on the streets of countries I
> have helped set free. It does not hurt, for I am invincible.
>
> I have been soiled upon, burned, torn and trampled on the streets of
> my country.
>
> And when it's by those whom I've served in battle - it hurts. But I
> shall overcome - for I am strong.
>
> I have slipped the bonds of Earth and stood watch over the uncharted
> frontiers of space from my vantage-point on the moon.
>
> I have borne silent witness to all of America's finest hours. But my
> finest hours are yet to come.
>
> When I am torn into strips and used as bandages for my wounded
> comrades on the battlefield, when I am flown at half-mast to honor my
> soldier, or when I lie in the trembling arms of a grieving parent at
> the grave of their fallen son or daughter, I am proud.
>
> MY NAME IS OLD GLORY LONG MAY I WAVE. DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN..LONG MAY I
> WAVE.
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
31428 From: <juggox@y...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 2:43pm
Subject: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
A few of my freinds are wanting to make a run out to Box Canyon and
then over to the Coke Ovens. Does anyone know if I need a land use
permit for these trails? If so, where can I go to pick one up?
TIA,
Ben
31429 From: David R. W. Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 3:35pm
Subject: is the group dead today
?????
David R. W. Withers
Network Engineer/ Senior QA Engineer
È 480-215-6992
' 480-551-4667
dwithers@atstraffic.com
31430 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 3:47pm
Subject: RE: roll bar pads
I think Sharky said he gets his at Shasta Pools in the Fun Noodle isle. ;-)
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
-----Original Message-----
From: TRobertsRN [mailto:TRobertsRN@email.msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:53 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] roll bar pads
I had OR FAB put a roll cage in the Cherokee. I am in need of some pads for same. I am in Mesa near Power and Brown. Where should I go shopping for these. I am also looking for straps to attach to roll cage for passengers to grab. My girlfriend calls these OH SH*T handles.
Tom
78 Cherokee Wide Trac
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
31431 From: David R. W. Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 3:56pm
Subject: don't normally send this type of thing
If you want to see something weird, open Microsoft Word and type in NYC in upper case in like size 48 font. after that highlight it and convert it to wingding font. if that's too weird change it to webdings....
David R. W. Withers
Network Engineer/ Senior QA Engineer
È 480-215-6992
' 480-551-4667
dwithers@atstraffic.com
31432 From: David R. W. Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 4:00pm
Subject: Club image and toy drive
My "Jeep" job, I work at Papa John;s in Ahwatukee. So if we ever get together for meetings or anything else group related I can get a ton of pizza for free or next to free. But only if it's in Ahwatukee or west chandler.
Side note: If you live in Ahwatukee give me a call and If I'm working I'll give you a HUGE discount.
David R. W. Withers
Network Engineer/ Senior QA Engineer
È 480-215-6992
' 480-551-4667
dwithers@atstraffic.com
31433 From: Ken Borer <kborer@i...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 3:33pm
Subject: Re: don't normally send this type of thing
Boy - someone has some free time at work today!!!
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: David R. W. Withers
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 3:56 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] don't normally send this type of thing
If you want to see something weird, open Microsoft Word and type in NYC in upper case in like size 48 font. after that highlight it and convert it to wingding font. if that's too weird change it to webdings....
David R. W. Withers
Network Engineer/ Senior QA Engineer
È 480-215-6992
' 480-551-4667
dwithers@atstraffic.com
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
31434 From: The Jeep Goddess <Roxie@t...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 4:03pm
Subject: OT - Place for rent?
Speaking of moving - Or shall I say - speaking of moving WAY earlier than
expected...
If anyone knows of a room that will be coming up for rent in the next
month or two - please email me off list. I have 2 cats (indoor only,
can stay inside my room if necessary) and two jeeps. Need a home for all
of us ;-)
Other option is cheap apartments that allow cats (Phoenix/East Valley
area BTW) - I'm not IN AZ - so any ideas on links to where I can find
them for there would be appreciated...Thanks!
ROXIE
31435 From: <ArizonaOutlaws@w...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 4:31pm
Subject: Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
Hi Ben,
Technically, whenever you're on BLM land you're supposed to have a permit. Box Canyon is on BLM land. I purchased permits for two years in a row from the BLM office in Phoenix. It costs $20.00 a year. I've been on BLM land alot including Box Canyon and have never been stopped by anyone. I did not renew my permit this year. If I get stopped I'll just play dumb.
A word of caution tho, if you ever go off roading on the Indian reservations you will need to get a permit from the tribe whose land you're going to travel on. Again, I've never been stopped on reservation land but several people told me better safe than sorry when on their land.
AJ & Beth Card
--- In az_vjc@y..., juggox@y... wrote:
> A few of my freinds are wanting to make a run out to Box Canyon and
> then over to the Coke Ovens. Does anyone know if I need a land use
> permit for these trails? If so, where can I go to pick one up?
>
> TIA,
> Ben
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Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 4:41pm
Subject: 4x4 Posi-Lok
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31437 From: ROBERT NYBERG <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 4:45pm
Subject: Hey Chris R.
Chris
Please call me about your parts. 480-987-0259
Bob
31438 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 4:57pm
Subject: RE: Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
I thought you needed a permit for State Trust Land and not BLM. Please
correct me if I am wrong.
Re-newing your permit is not only to be on the land legally but to also
shows that people are being responsible.
I would not mess with traveling on Resevertion land. You may loose your
Jeep.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ArizonaOutlaws@w... [mailto:ArizonaOutlaws@w...]
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 4:31 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
>
>
> Hi Ben,
>
> Technically, whenever you're on BLM land you're supposed to
> have a permit. Box Canyon is on BLM land. I purchased
> permits for two years in a row from the BLM office in
> Phoenix. It costs $20.00 a year. I've been on BLM land alot
> including Box Canyon and have never been stopped by anyone. I
> did not renew my permit this year. If I get stopped I'll
> just play dumb.
>
> A word of caution tho, if you ever go off roading on the
> Indian reservations you will need to get a permit from the
> tribe whose land you're going to travel on. Again, I've
> never been stopped on reservation land but several people
> told me better safe than sorry when on their land.
>
> AJ & Beth Card
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., juggox@y... wrote:
> > A few of my freinds are wanting to make a run out to Box Canyon and
> > then over to the Coke Ovens. Does anyone know if I need a land use
> > permit for these trails? If so, where can I go to pick one up?
> >
> > TIA,
> > Ben
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
31444 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 6:22pm
Subject: RE: Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
AJ Card,
I respectfully disagree. BLM and State Trust Land are two different
departments. BLM is an agency within the U.S. Department of Interior.
State Trust Land is managed by Arizona.
I unfortunatly do not know what the money from the sale of STL permits
go. I believe it goes into maintaining those lands for our use. Just
because everyone is doing 75 in a 65 does not make it right. A while
back it was brought up by the "greenies" that there are only small
amount of people using the land [legally]. They were noting the number
of permits issued.
Where do you get permits for traveling offroad on Reservation land? Is
there a central office downtown or do you have to go to the particular
Res for it?
Joey K
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AZ Outlaws [mailto:ArizonaOutlaws@w...]
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 5:33 PM
> To: DesertJeep
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Coke Ovens / Box Canyon
>
>
> Hi Joey,
>
> If I'm not mistaken, state trust land and BLM land are just
> about one in the same and managed by the State Land Dept.
> The "Arizona Road & Recreation Atlas" shows it as BLM land.
> Scott Duety's book, "Four Wheel Drive Trails..." also states
> a permit is required for traveling most of the states back
> roads, including Box Canyon. If I'm wrong, then I stand corrected.
>
> Your right about being responsible and I generally agree with
> you. On the other hand, why should I keep throwing good
> money away to use puplic land which is ours to begin with.
> When they start enforcing the use of permits and "everyone"
> has to have one, then I'll purchase said permit again. Sorta
> the same principle of always doing the speed limit... how
> many people do you know who actually drive 55 MPH on the
> freeways through town?
>
> I agree that the Indian reservations are tough about us using
> their land, that's why when we go, we purchase the required
> permits which costs $10.00 per person and also obey the law
> while there.
>
> In my travels around the world, I have never let fear of what
> may happen keep me from traveling. Follow their rules,
> respect their people and unless it's a war zone, just use
> common sense and travel in groups.
>
> Happy Trails,
> AJ Card
>
31445 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 2:55pm
Subject: Re: roll bar pads
I got my pads at West Coast Racing Supply, they are foam pads and they have a wide variety of colors. If you go there tell them I sent you and mention the club and you will get them for $1.50 for 3ft. instead of $4.99-$5.99 that everyone else sells them for.
Sharky
31446 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 2:56pm
Subject: Re: roll bar pads
Ouch ...that hurts...see what you started Smitty :)
P.S. Shasta is all out, so I dont know what to tell you :)
Sharky and the fun noodle mobile
31447 From: <paparoach@q...>
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2001 7:09pm
Subject: Re: Email campaign needed
All I can say is...what the @##!@$
You must be kidding me. If the sight of the American flag offends
you, then get the @#!@$# out of our country.
What kind of school are they running down in Tempe?
Times like these make me proud that I'm a WILDCAT!!!
Les Roach
--- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> Members of AzVJC,
>
> As some might have heard the associated students of ASU have voted
to not
> fly the flag in the Memorial Union of ASU. The associated students
felt that
> this might offend some people. Although the students made this vote
the
> President of ASU, Lattie Coor has not stepped in on the side of the
US and
> demanded that the flag be flown, as he could do.
> I am asking that everyone email Mr. Coor and ask/demand that he
steps in.
> This is a public school and your tax dollars go to fund education
here.
> Please be respectful of his position but, put pressure on him as
Arizona and
> US taxpayers.
> His email address is: mailto:Lattie.Coor@a...
>
> Thank you for your help. Don't let the American spirit slip away.
>
> --James