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31167 From: <mirau@h...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 11:51am
Subject: Decent Jeep mechanic/shop in Tucson?
Can anyone recommend a good shop or mechanic for Jeeps in the Tucson
area?
Yes, I prefer to do most of the work myself, but for the times when I
can't or don't have the time, I need a reliable mechanic. Please,
only recommend shops you've had positive experiences with.
I used to take my various 4x4s to Simmons but over the years I've
grown disenchanted with their shop manager and the quality of their
work has gone downhill, all for the same high price.
"Desert something" on the north side of Grant Road a few blocks east
of I-10 was mentioned. Has anyone had any work done there?
Michelle
1993 YJ
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31168 From: Gary MacLaren <gmaclaren@c...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 11:58am
Subject: Fw: Important Dunes Meeting
-----Original Message-----
From: Joan Beck <fourby@c...>
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
Date: Saturday, September 15, 2001 11:52 AM
Subject: Fw: Important Dunes Meeting
Subject: Fw: Important Dunes Meeting
Importance: High
>The Phx. RMP (Resource Management Plan) for the Imperial Sand Dunes has
been
>rescheduled for Tuesday Sept. 25 at Phx. College Auditorium, 1202 W. Thomas
>Rd. 7pm to 9pm. It is important that everyone attend to show that we are
>interested in how the dunes are managed. It also is important that we give
>our input on this plan.
>Hopefully I will see you there.
>Thanks,
>Jerry
>Seaver
31169 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 0:09pm
Subject: Eagle
Attachment: (image/jpeg) eagle.jpg [not stored]
31170 From: <cruzeunit@y...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 0:14pm
Subject: MTR Tire pressure?
To the guys running MTR's:
I got some new 35's this morning.
What PSI do you run them on & off road?
I ran my 33" BFG's at 25lbs street & 12lbs on the rocks. I've got
the MTR's & 30 now & it seemed a little rough on my way to work this
morning, or is that just the difference in the tires.
Dan Siegel
31171 From: <steverino1112000@y...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 0:16pm
Subject: Cheap Jeep for sale
I was just driving past the Safeway on Elliot and 51st street in
ahwatukee and saw a early 2 door cherokee for sale and thought I
would post it here beacause it seemed like a decent deal. It is a red
2 door cherokee with a 4speed and has a roof rack front bumper basket
and rear steel bumper for $1200.00 the phone number was 480-496-0566.
31172 From: <steverino1112000@y...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 0:22pm
Subject: Cheap Jeep for sale
There is a jeep cherokee 2 door in the parking lot at safeway 51st st
and elliot for sale for $1200.00. 480-496-0566 just saw it. would
make a good beater. It is pretty straight for the money.
31173 From: <steverino1112000@y...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 0:39pm
Subject: test
test
31174 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 1:39pm
Subject: RE: MTR Tire pressure?
Dan,
I have found over the last year and a half with 35" MT/R's on 15x10 wheels
that 9.5-10 psi offers the best offroad performance. Onroad I run 25 PSI.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: cruzeunit@y... [mailto:cruzeunit@y...]
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:15 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] MTR Tire pressure?
To the guys running MTR's:
I got some new 35's this morning.
What PSI do you run them on & off road?
I ran my 33" BFG's at 25lbs street & 12lbs on the rocks. I've got
the MTR's & 30 now & it seemed a little rough on my way to work this
morning, or is that just the difference in the tires.
Dan Siegel
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31175 From: Gary MacLaren <gmaclaren@c...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 2:18pm
Subject: Scary Stuff
-----Original Message-----
From: Joan Beck <fourby@citlink.net>
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Date: Saturday, September 15, 2001 2:01 PM
Subject: UN & CARA
PLEASE READ.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rachel Thomas
To: a Everyone
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 6:17 AM
Subject: PROTECTION RACKET
William Jud 11 August 2001
3429 Madison 423 (573) 783-8210
Fredericktown MO 63645 williamjud@hotmail.com
EDITORIAL: PROTECTION RACKET
United Nations International Union for the Conservation of Nature, IUCN, has declared itself Protector of Missouri's State Parks and Mark Twain National Forest. You'll find this information on a UN website - -
http://www.unep-wcmc.org/protected_areas/index.html - - click on Protected Areas Database and select an area (or run a search on United Nations Protected Areas.) There are 129 pages listing United Nations "protected areas" throughout the United States, and many more areas worldwide.
The 1997 United Nations List of Protected Areas in Missouri includes Mark Twain National Forest, Ozark Scenic Rivers, Wilson's Creek, Pickle Springs, Taberville Prairie, Clarence Cannon National Wildlife Refuge, Mingo National Wildlife Refuge, Squaw Creek, Swan Lake, Big Spring, Cash Swamp, Powder Mill Cave and Spring Branch, Bennett State Park, Big Oak Tree, Big Sugar Creek, Cuivre River, Babler, Baker, Ha Ha Tonka, Johnson Shut-Ins, Lake of the Ozarks, Meramec, Pershing, Prairie, Roaring River, Sam A Baker, St. Francois, Taum Sauk Mountain, Trail of Tears, Mingo Wilderness, Bell Mountain, Devil's Backbone, Hercules Glade, Irish, Paddy Creek, and Rockpile Mountain.
UN website - - http://www.unep-wcmc.org/protected_areas/categories/index.html - - lists IUCN protection intensity ratings from Category 1a, "Strict Nature Reserve: protected area managed mainly for science," to Category 6, "Managed Resource Protected Area: protected area managed mainly for the sustainable use of natural ecosystems." Mark Twain National Forest's IUCN Category 6 rating generously allows some local folks some use of the forest some of the time as long as we obey IUCN environmental orders. Category 3, "Natural Monuments managed mainly for conservation of specific natural features." lists Ozark Scenic Riverways, Big Oak Tree State Park, and Onondaga Cave. Category 1a (Nature Reserve) or 1b (Wilderness) lists Ha Ha Tonka, Hawn, Johnson Shut Ins, Prairie, Sam A Baker, Roaring River. St. Francois, Taum Sauk Mountain, Mingo, Bell Mountain, Devil's Backbone, Hercules Glade, Irish, Paddy Creek, Piney Creek. and Rockpile Mountain. There is no Category of "Managed for Human Use."
United Nations and member organizations such as IUCN and mainstream environmental groups operate incrementally. They know they could provoke armed uprising in America and immediate American withdrawal from the UN if their Socialist programs were instituted all at once. So they tighten the noose little by little. To date it has made no practical difference that Missouri's State Parks, National Forest, Wildlife Refuges and similar lands are on the IUCN list. That will change next year.
IUCN regulates Protected Areas through our government agencies. In 2002 the UN will meet in Durban, South Africa, to really tighten the screws on us. Remember, regulation is required under international treaty, the highest law in the land, which has nullified and abrogated much of our Constitution. Eventually all parks, wildlife areas and forests will be "protected" FROM humans, not FOR humans, and off limits to camping, hiking, resources production, hunting, fishing and all other human use. Private land is next.
Expanding "protection" over American land now depends heavily on passage of HR 701, the Conservation And Reinvestment Act, CARA, better known by its function, the rural Condemnation And Relocation Act. CARA passed the House Resources Committee in July and may go before the full House of Representatives for vote in September. CARA provides government Condemnation Authority and $45 Billion over 15 years, mainly for forced sale of rural private land to government agencies and relocating country folks to big cities. A 5 August 2001 New York Times article by Frank Bruni notes: "He (President Bush) is also going to do an awful lot on the environment, Mr. Card said, although he did not specify what that would be." President Bush recently approved $900 Million for the Land and Water Conservation Fund, much of which is for government purchase of privately owned rural land, and Bush is expected to sign if CARA passes Congress. That would, indeed, be "awful."
We are being incrementalized out of our freedom, our land, our livelihood, our culture, our rights, and our Constitution. To stop this Socialist conquest of America we need massive popular uprising demanding that our President and elected officials scrap CARA immediately and permanently, that America withdraw immediately from the United Nations and from every UN treaty, that all government agencies permanently withdraw from United Nations programs, and that our federal government operate strictly and only according to what is authorized by our US Constitution. Folks, we're close to losing it.
31176 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 2:42pm
Subject: Lower Woodpecker/Ajax Pics
It was great getting out and being away from the "media" today. I have
uploaded the pictures I took at: (I apologize for the quality on some)
http://communities.msn.com/4WheelinginAZ/91501woodpecker.msnw
The previews aren't up at the time of this email but, they will be soon.
Thanks Rick for leading, it was great.
--James
31177 From: <robertbrooks@s...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 2:44pm
Subject: Sunday Trail Run To Payson
A friend and I are headed up to payson tommorrow morning (around 9 or
10) to get out of the valley for awhile (should be back around 6:00pm)
were going to do some exploring up there we usually only come across
trails that are between 2.5 - 3.5 at the most. If anyone is
interested in going give me a call tonight or first thing in the
morning and will setup a place to meet.
Rob
97 TJ
Cell - 602-463-4275
31178 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 3:15pm
Subject: TJ Stuff for sale...
Two 2 month old Rancho RS9000 shocks... 9009 series for the front of a TJ
that is lifted 4.5" to 6.5". No damage, no leaking... they were just too
short for my application (which resulted in them acting like limiting
straps. I went to longer RS9000 shocks AND limiting straps.
$40 each. Sold as a pair only.
Two RE Extreme duty lower control arms... used, scratched and scraped (I
went to adjustable RE lower control arms so I could set my caster
correctly). The bushings are in great condition and everything is tight.
They would make for great trail spares since they work on lower front or
rear for those of you who have the RE 5.4" extreme duty lift.
$40 each. Sold as a pair only.
One RE Extreme duty tie rod with ends, perfect condition, never hit or
bent... $90.
One factory drag link setup... great condition, never bent or hit... $65.
Set of three Warn extended flares (you'll have to buy a single flare)...
brand new, never used... $150.
Pair of front TJ Sahara flares... great condition... $100
Factory spice 30" deluxe tire cover... $40.
Factory deluxe TJ radio with speakers...tons of TJ odds and ends (new
factory alternator... tow hooks... lights... etc)
Come see and make offer.
Joe West
31179 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 4:38pm
Subject: my new top with photos
Well, I did the unthinkable. I purchased a Steel Horse product against all
the best advice of my wheeling mentors. But, (flame me now), I love it. ;-)
I bought the new Rock Crusher top. It is a half top that only covers the
driver/passenger compartment and has a window right behind the front seats.
It fits into all of the soft top grooves in the removable door frames that
come with the soft top. It is a very tight fit and seems to be well made.
Only time will tell on that. I only have one complaint. The piece that
wraps around the top roll bar only snaps with those little round snaps you
find on authentic Levis. It was very hard to get them snapped and I don't
suspect they will last too long. Everything else was cut and sewn well.
This thing is just perfect for my rig because I can put the door frames and
top all behind my seat and I have decent overhead protection if I need it.
Anyone running a tonneau (Scott?) should take a look at this. I probably
won't run with this top on until it gets chilly going to early AM runs. So,
if anyone wants to see this thing in real lief give me a call before I
remove it for a while.
You will notice that I had to re-work my Mountaineer rack. Since it
originally bolted to the roll bars with muffler clamps it was in the way of
a clean install of the top so I mounted the rack directly to my steel
tonneau with 3/8 inch bolts and 1+1/2 inch risers. Now it is kind of free
standing rack and actually looks much cleaner.
<http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=13759990>
I know this won't take Steel Horse off the list but it is a nice product.
It was $125 at ORU with the club discount.
------------------------------------------
Jon Loveless
(480)816-6240 office AZ
jonloveless@m...
___________________________
31180 From: James Smith <jeepinsmitty@y...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 4:40pm
Subject: Day trip to the cooler weather....
OK,
The Family nad I want to get out of the valley to take
a day trip somewhere cooler, to hike and explore Also
with not alot of people around. ( the dogs love to
run).
Does anyone have any suggestions, in either the Payson
or Prescott areas, and Maybe even the Flag. Area?
Maybe somewhere with some water, the dog loves to swim
too..
Thanks a Bunch!!
Smitty
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31181 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 4:48pm
Subject: RE: my new top with photos
Jon,
I must confess... I too have purchased Steal Whorse recently; I bought those
rollbar hand holds to make it easier for the wife and kids to get into the
Jeep.
Also... I know that Chris Krieg has some Steal Whorse on his Jeep... but
will he confess?
<grin>
Good luck with your top... I hope it holds up well. Any chance you can take
some pictures of it and post them?
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Loveless [mailto:jonloveless@m...]
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:38 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] my new top with photos
>
>
> Well, I did the unthinkable. I purchased a Steel Horse
> product against all
> the best advice of my wheeling mentors. But, (flame me now),
> I love it. ;-)
>
> I bought the new Rock Crusher top. It is a half top that only
> covers the
> driver/passenger compartment and has a window right behind
> the front seats.
> It fits into all of the soft top grooves in the removable
> door frames that
> come with the soft top. It is a very tight fit and seems to
> be well made.
> Only time will tell on that. I only have one complaint. The
> piece that
> wraps around the top roll bar only snaps with those little
> round snaps you
> find on authentic Levis. It was very hard to get them snapped
> and I don't
> suspect they will last too long. Everything else was cut and
> sewn well.
> This thing is just perfect for my rig because I can put the
> door frames and
> top all behind my seat and I have decent overhead protection
> if I need it.
> Anyone running a tonneau (Scott?) should take a look at this.
> I probably
> won't run with this top on until it gets chilly going to
> early AM runs. So,
> if anyone wants to see this thing in real lief give me a call
> before I
> remove it for a while.
>
> You will notice that I had to re-work my Mountaineer rack. Since it
> originally bolted to the roll bars with muffler clamps it was
> in the way of
> a clean install of the top so I mounted the rack directly to my steel
> tonneau with 3/8 inch bolts and 1+1/2 inch risers. Now it is
> kind of free
> standing rack and actually looks much cleaner.
>
> <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=13759990>
>
> I know this won't take Steel Horse off the list but it is a
> nice product.
> It was $125 at ORU with the club discount.
>
> ------------------------------------------
> Jon Loveless
> (480)816-6240 office AZ
> jonloveless@m...
> ___________________________
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
31182 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 4:49pm
Subject: RE: my new top with photos
Duh!
<grin>
I see you posted pictures... maybe I need to learn to read.
<grin>
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Loveless [mailto:jonloveless@m...]
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:38 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] my new top with photos
>
>
> Well, I did the unthinkable. I purchased a Steel Horse
> product against all
> the best advice of my wheeling mentors. But, (flame me now),
> I love it. ;-)
>
> I bought the new Rock Crusher top. It is a half top that only
> covers the
> driver/passenger compartment and has a window right behind
> the front seats.
> It fits into all of the soft top grooves in the removable
> door frames that
> come with the soft top. It is a very tight fit and seems to
> be well made.
> Only time will tell on that. I only have one complaint. The
> piece that
> wraps around the top roll bar only snaps with those little
> round snaps you
> find on authentic Levis. It was very hard to get them snapped
> and I don't
> suspect they will last too long. Everything else was cut and
> sewn well.
> This thing is just perfect for my rig because I can put the
> door frames and
> top all behind my seat and I have decent overhead protection
> if I need it.
> Anyone running a tonneau (Scott?) should take a look at this.
> I probably
> won't run with this top on until it gets chilly going to
> early AM runs. So,
> if anyone wants to see this thing in real lief give me a call
> before I
> remove it for a while.
>
> You will notice that I had to re-work my Mountaineer rack. Since it
> originally bolted to the roll bars with muffler clamps it was
> in the way of
> a clean install of the top so I mounted the rack directly to my steel
> tonneau with 3/8 inch bolts and 1+1/2 inch risers. Now it is
> kind of free
> standing rack and actually looks much cleaner.
>
> <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=13759990>
>
> I know this won't take Steel Horse off the list but it is a
> nice product.
> It was $125 at ORU with the club discount.
>
> ------------------------------------------
> Jon Loveless
> (480)816-6240 office AZ
> jonloveless@m...
> ___________________________
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
31183 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 5:08pm
Subject: Re: my new top with photos
Yup, looks good Jon. Yes, I have Steel Horse on my Jeep. I have the same
rollbar hand holds that Joe has. They are holding up well so far. There is
no metal on them to rust though so I'm crossing my fingers.
Chris
> From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...>
> Reply-To: <arizonajeep@h...>
> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:48:30 -0700
> To: "'Jon Loveless'" <jonloveless@m...>, <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] my new top with photos
>
> Jon,
>
> I must confess... I too have purchased Steal Whorse recently; I bought those
> rollbar hand holds to make it easier for the wife and kids to get into the
> Jeep.
>
> Also... I know that Chris Krieg has some Steal Whorse on his Jeep... but
> will he confess?
> <grin>
>
> Good luck with your top... I hope it holds up well. Any chance you can take
> some pictures of it and post them?
>
>
> Joe West
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jon Loveless [mailto:jonloveless@m...]
>> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:38 PM
>> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [az_vjc] my new top with photos
>>
>>
>> Well, I did the unthinkable. I purchased a Steel Horse
>> product against all
>> the best advice of my wheeling mentors. But, (flame me now),
>> I love it. ;-)
>>
>> I bought the new Rock Crusher top. It is a half top that only
>> covers the
>> driver/passenger compartment and has a window right behind
>> the front seats.
>> It fits into all of the soft top grooves in the removable
>> door frames that
>> come with the soft top. It is a very tight fit and seems to
>> be well made.
>> Only time will tell on that. I only have one complaint. The
>> piece that
>> wraps around the top roll bar only snaps with those little
>> round snaps you
>> find on authentic Levis. It was very hard to get them snapped
>> and I don't
>> suspect they will last too long. Everything else was cut and
>> sewn well.
>> This thing is just perfect for my rig because I can put the
>> door frames and
>> top all behind my seat and I have decent overhead protection
>> if I need it.
>> Anyone running a tonneau (Scott?) should take a look at this.
>> I probably
>> won't run with this top on until it gets chilly going to
>> early AM runs. So,
>> if anyone wants to see this thing in real lief give me a call
>> before I
>> remove it for a while.
>>
>> You will notice that I had to re-work my Mountaineer rack. Since it
>> originally bolted to the roll bars with muffler clamps it was
>> in the way of
>> a clean install of the top so I mounted the rack directly to my steel
>> tonneau with 3/8 inch bolts and 1+1/2 inch risers. Now it is
>> kind of free
>> standing rack and actually looks much cleaner.
>>
>> <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=13759990>
>>
>> I know this won't take Steel Horse off the list but it is a
>> nice product.
>> It was $125 at ORU with the club discount.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------
>> Jon Loveless
>> (480)816-6240 office AZ
>> jonloveless@m...
>> ___________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
31184 From: <rlpii@q...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 5:16pm
Subject: East Verde River Trail
Has anyone heard of, or taken, the East Verde River Trail. It is
supposed to be North of Payson off of SR 87 and someone told me it was
a 2.5 - 3.5 trail.
Any comments on the trail or can someone advise where it starts and
ends?
TIA,
rlp
31185 From: James Smith <jeepinsmitty@y...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 5:25pm
Subject: Re: Day trip to the cooler weather....
Ok, how about the Christopher Creek or Tonto Creek
area?
THX
--- James Smith <jeepinsmitty@y...> wrote:
> OK,
>
> The Family nad I want to get out of the valley to
> take
> a day trip somewhere cooler, to hike and explore
> Also
> with not alot of people around. ( the dogs love to
> run).
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions, in either the
> Payson
> or Prescott areas, and Maybe even the Flag. Area?
> Maybe somewhere with some water, the dog loves to
> swim
> too..
>
> Thanks a Bunch!!
>
> Smitty
>
>
>
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31186 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 5:40pm
Subject: RE: my new top with photos
Jon,
That looks nice and the price is right. I might have to get one before I tow
the TJ to Moab in a few weeks.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Loveless [mailto:jonloveless@m...]
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:38 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] my new top with photos
Well, I did the unthinkable. I purchased a Steel Horse product against all
the best advice of my wheeling mentors. But, (flame me now), I love it. ;-)
I bought the new Rock Crusher top. It is a half top that only covers the
driver/passenger compartment and has a window right behind the front seats.
It fits into all of the soft top grooves in the removable door frames that
come with the soft top. It is a very tight fit and seems to be well made.
Only time will tell on that. I only have one complaint. The piece that
wraps around the top roll bar only snaps with those little round snaps you
find on authentic Levis. It was very hard to get them snapped and I don't
suspect they will last too long. Everything else was cut and sewn well.
This thing is just perfect for my rig because I can put the door frames and
top all behind my seat and I have decent overhead protection if I need it.
Anyone running a tonneau (Scott?) should take a look at this. I probably
won't run with this top on until it gets chilly going to early AM runs. So,
if anyone wants to see this thing in real lief give me a call before I
remove it for a while.
You will notice that I had to re-work my Mountaineer rack. Since it
originally bolted to the roll bars with muffler clamps it was in the way of
a clean install of the top so I mounted the rack directly to my steel
tonneau with 3/8 inch bolts and 1+1/2 inch risers. Now it is kind of free
standing rack and actually looks much cleaner.
<http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=13759990>
I know this won't take Steel Horse off the list but it is a nice product.
It was $125 at ORU with the club discount.
------------------------------------------
Jon Loveless
(480)816-6240 office AZ
jonloveless@m...
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31187 From: Bill Witt <k7ant@t...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 7:10pm
Subject: Re: Day trip to the cooler weather....
Smitty,
Try Black Canyon lake on the Rim. Should be real cool now. We got rain
most of the
day up here.
Bill W
Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and Four Wheeler's country.
----- Original Message -----
From: James Smith <jeepinsmitty@y...>
To: azvjc <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:40 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Day trip to the cooler weather....
> OK,
>
> The Family nad I want to get out of the valley to take
> a day trip somewhere cooler, to hike and explore Also
> with not alot of people around. ( the dogs love to
> run).
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions, in either the Payson
> or Prescott areas, and Maybe even the Flag. Area?
> Maybe somewhere with some water, the dog loves to swim
> too..
>
> Thanks a Bunch!!
>
> Smitty
>
>
>
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31188 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 7:10pm
Subject: automotive calculations
Here is a site for the Jeep/mathematicians with nothing to do but prove
someone else wrong.
http://www.bgsoflex.com/auto.html
I mean who needs to know "Intake Runner Harmonic Pulse Predicition"??
Anyway, there are some good ones here, too.
Jon
------------------------------------------
Jon Loveless
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jonloveless@m...
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31189 From: Bill Witt <k7ant@t...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 7:14pm
Subject: Re: Day trip to the cooler weather....
You want a nice drive?
Go through Christopher Creek to Colcord road by the work center as you
start up the Rim. Turn right on Colcord and follow until you get to all the
mail boxes
by the fire station and then turn right and go to Colcord Fire look out.
After the look out
tower you will hit another road or "T". Turn left and it will bring you out
at Young Rd and
the turn off for the fish hatchery.
Bill W
Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and Four Wheeler's country.
----- Original Message -----
From: James Smith <jeepinsmitty@y...>
To: azvjc <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Day trip to the cooler weather....
> Ok, how about the Christopher Creek or Tonto Creek
> area?
>
> THX
>
> --- James Smith <jeepinsmitty@y...> wrote:
> > OK,
> >
> > The Family nad I want to get out of the valley to
> > take
> > a day trip somewhere cooler, to hike and explore
> > Also
> > with not alot of people around. ( the dogs love to
> > run).
> >
> > Does anyone have any suggestions, in either the
> > Payson
> > or Prescott areas, and Maybe even the Flag. Area?
> > Maybe somewhere with some water, the dog loves to
> > swim
> > too..
> >
> > Thanks a Bunch!!
> >
> > Smitty
> >
> >
> >
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31190 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 7:14pm
Subject: crawl ratio
This site calculates inches per second and MPH for crawl gears. Cool. (You
can tell I have nothing to do on a Saturday night).
http://www.quiknet.com/~ke6vut/crawlcalc.html
------------------------------------------
Jon Loveless
(480)816-6240 office AZ
jonloveless@m...
___________________________
31191 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 7:18pm
Subject: [OT] Satellite Internet
I recently installed a Hughes 2-way Satellite system for Internet
connectivity. Earthlink is my ISP. It was very pricey but there was no
other service near me. They advertise average of 400kbps download and
128kbps upload. I consistently get download benchmarks of over 1000kbps
excep mid day when it drops to about 700. The highest I have had is about
1500. These numbers are from using the CNET benchmark at:
http://webservices.cnet.com/bandwidth/
If anyone is interested how I did this let me know offline.
Jon
------------------------------------------
Jon Loveless
(480)816-6240 office AZ
jonloveless@m...
___________________________
31167 From: <mirau@h...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 11:51am
Subject: Decent Jeep mechanic/shop in Tucson?
Can anyone recommend a good shop or mechanic for Jeeps in the Tucson
area?
Yes, I prefer to do most of the work myself, but for the times when I
can't or don't have the time, I need a reliable mechanic. Please,
only recommend shops you've had positive experiences with.
I used to take my various 4x4s to Simmons but over the years I've
grown disenchanted with their shop manager and the quality of their
work has gone downhill, all for the same high price.
"Desert something" on the north side of Grant Road a few blocks east
of I-10 was mentioned. Has anyone had any work done there?
Michelle
1993 YJ
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31168 From: Gary MacLaren <gmaclaren@c...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 11:58am
Subject: Fw: Important Dunes Meeting
-----Original Message-----
From: Joan Beck <fourby@c...>
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
Date: Saturday, September 15, 2001 11:52 AM
Subject: Fw: Important Dunes Meeting
Subject: Fw: Important Dunes Meeting
Importance: High
>The Phx. RMP (Resource Management Plan) for the Imperial Sand Dunes has
been
>rescheduled for Tuesday Sept. 25 at Phx. College Auditorium, 1202 W. Thomas
>Rd. 7pm to 9pm. It is important that everyone attend to show that we are
>interested in how the dunes are managed. It also is important that we give
>our input on this plan.
>Hopefully I will see you there.
>Thanks,
>Jerry
>Seaver
31169 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 0:09pm
Subject: Eagle
Attachment: (image/jpeg) eagle.jpg [not stored]
31170 From: <cruzeunit@y...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 0:14pm
Subject: MTR Tire pressure?
To the guys running MTR's:
I got some new 35's this morning.
What PSI do you run them on & off road?
I ran my 33" BFG's at 25lbs street & 12lbs on the rocks. I've got
the MTR's & 30 now & it seemed a little rough on my way to work this
morning, or is that just the difference in the tires.
Dan Siegel
31171 From: <steverino1112000@y...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 0:16pm
Subject: Cheap Jeep for sale
I was just driving past the Safeway on Elliot and 51st street in
ahwatukee and saw a early 2 door cherokee for sale and thought I
would post it here beacause it seemed like a decent deal. It is a red
2 door cherokee with a 4speed and has a roof rack front bumper basket
and rear steel bumper for $1200.00 the phone number was 480-496-0566.
31172 From: <steverino1112000@y...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 0:22pm
Subject: Cheap Jeep for sale
There is a jeep cherokee 2 door in the parking lot at safeway 51st st
and elliot for sale for $1200.00. 480-496-0566 just saw it. would
make a good beater. It is pretty straight for the money.
31173 From: <steverino1112000@y...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 0:39pm
Subject: test
test
31174 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 1:39pm
Subject: RE: MTR Tire pressure?
Dan,
I have found over the last year and a half with 35" MT/R's on 15x10 wheels
that 9.5-10 psi offers the best offroad performance. Onroad I run 25 PSI.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: cruzeunit@y... [mailto:cruzeunit@y...]
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:15 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] MTR Tire pressure?
To the guys running MTR's:
I got some new 35's this morning.
What PSI do you run them on & off road?
I ran my 33" BFG's at 25lbs street & 12lbs on the rocks. I've got
the MTR's & 30 now & it seemed a little rough on my way to work this
morning, or is that just the difference in the tires.
Dan Siegel
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31175 From: Gary MacLaren <gmaclaren@c...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 2:18pm
Subject: Scary Stuff
-----Original Message-----
From: Joan Beck <fourby@citlink.net>
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Date: Saturday, September 15, 2001 2:01 PM
Subject: UN & CARA
PLEASE READ.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rachel Thomas
To: a Everyone
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 6:17 AM
Subject: PROTECTION RACKET
William Jud 11 August 2001
3429 Madison 423 (573) 783-8210
Fredericktown MO 63645 williamjud@hotmail.com
EDITORIAL: PROTECTION RACKET
United Nations International Union for the Conservation of Nature, IUCN, has declared itself Protector of Missouri's State Parks and Mark Twain National Forest. You'll find this information on a UN website - -
http://www.unep-wcmc.org/protected_areas/index.html - - click on Protected Areas Database and select an area (or run a search on United Nations Protected Areas.) There are 129 pages listing United Nations "protected areas" throughout the United States, and many more areas worldwide.
The 1997 United Nations List of Protected Areas in Missouri includes Mark Twain National Forest, Ozark Scenic Rivers, Wilson's Creek, Pickle Springs, Taberville Prairie, Clarence Cannon National Wildlife Refuge, Mingo National Wildlife Refuge, Squaw Creek, Swan Lake, Big Spring, Cash Swamp, Powder Mill Cave and Spring Branch, Bennett State Park, Big Oak Tree, Big Sugar Creek, Cuivre River, Babler, Baker, Ha Ha Tonka, Johnson Shut-Ins, Lake of the Ozarks, Meramec, Pershing, Prairie, Roaring River, Sam A Baker, St. Francois, Taum Sauk Mountain, Trail of Tears, Mingo Wilderness, Bell Mountain, Devil's Backbone, Hercules Glade, Irish, Paddy Creek, and Rockpile Mountain.
UN website - - http://www.unep-wcmc.org/protected_areas/categories/index.html - - lists IUCN protection intensity ratings from Category 1a, "Strict Nature Reserve: protected area managed mainly for science," to Category 6, "Managed Resource Protected Area: protected area managed mainly for the sustainable use of natural ecosystems." Mark Twain National Forest's IUCN Category 6 rating generously allows some local folks some use of the forest some of the time as long as we obey IUCN environmental orders. Category 3, "Natural Monuments managed mainly for conservation of specific natural features." lists Ozark Scenic Riverways, Big Oak Tree State Park, and Onondaga Cave. Category 1a (Nature Reserve) or 1b (Wilderness) lists Ha Ha Tonka, Hawn, Johnson Shut Ins, Prairie, Sam A Baker, Roaring River. St. Francois, Taum Sauk Mountain, Mingo, Bell Mountain, Devil's Backbone, Hercules Glade, Irish, Paddy Creek, Piney Creek. and Rockpile Mountain. There is no Category of "Managed for Human Use."
United Nations and member organizations such as IUCN and mainstream environmental groups operate incrementally. They know they could provoke armed uprising in America and immediate American withdrawal from the UN if their Socialist programs were instituted all at once. So they tighten the noose little by little. To date it has made no practical difference that Missouri's State Parks, National Forest, Wildlife Refuges and similar lands are on the IUCN list. That will change next year.
IUCN regulates Protected Areas through our government agencies. In 2002 the UN will meet in Durban, South Africa, to really tighten the screws on us. Remember, regulation is required under international treaty, the highest law in the land, which has nullified and abrogated much of our Constitution. Eventually all parks, wildlife areas and forests will be "protected" FROM humans, not FOR humans, and off limits to camping, hiking, resources production, hunting, fishing and all other human use. Private land is next.
Expanding "protection" over American land now depends heavily on passage of HR 701, the Conservation And Reinvestment Act, CARA, better known by its function, the rural Condemnation And Relocation Act. CARA passed the House Resources Committee in July and may go before the full House of Representatives for vote in September. CARA provides government Condemnation Authority and $45 Billion over 15 years, mainly for forced sale of rural private land to government agencies and relocating country folks to big cities. A 5 August 2001 New York Times article by Frank Bruni notes: "He (President Bush) is also going to do an awful lot on the environment, Mr. Card said, although he did not specify what that would be." President Bush recently approved $900 Million for the Land and Water Conservation Fund, much of which is for government purchase of privately owned rural land, and Bush is expected to sign if CARA passes Congress. That would, indeed, be "awful."
We are being incrementalized out of our freedom, our land, our livelihood, our culture, our rights, and our Constitution. To stop this Socialist conquest of America we need massive popular uprising demanding that our President and elected officials scrap CARA immediately and permanently, that America withdraw immediately from the United Nations and from every UN treaty, that all government agencies permanently withdraw from United Nations programs, and that our federal government operate strictly and only according to what is authorized by our US Constitution. Folks, we're close to losing it.
31176 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 2:42pm
Subject: Lower Woodpecker/Ajax Pics
It was great getting out and being away from the "media" today. I have
uploaded the pictures I took at: (I apologize for the quality on some)
http://communities.msn.com/4WheelinginAZ/91501woodpecker.msnw
The previews aren't up at the time of this email but, they will be soon.
Thanks Rick for leading, it was great.
--James
31177 From: <robertbrooks@s...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 2:44pm
Subject: Sunday Trail Run To Payson
A friend and I are headed up to payson tommorrow morning (around 9 or
10) to get out of the valley for awhile (should be back around 6:00pm)
were going to do some exploring up there we usually only come across
trails that are between 2.5 - 3.5 at the most. If anyone is
interested in going give me a call tonight or first thing in the
morning and will setup a place to meet.
Rob
97 TJ
Cell - 602-463-4275
31178 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 3:15pm
Subject: TJ Stuff for sale...
Two 2 month old Rancho RS9000 shocks... 9009 series for the front of a TJ
that is lifted 4.5" to 6.5". No damage, no leaking... they were just too
short for my application (which resulted in them acting like limiting
straps. I went to longer RS9000 shocks AND limiting straps.
$40 each. Sold as a pair only.
Two RE Extreme duty lower control arms... used, scratched and scraped (I
went to adjustable RE lower control arms so I could set my caster
correctly). The bushings are in great condition and everything is tight.
They would make for great trail spares since they work on lower front or
rear for those of you who have the RE 5.4" extreme duty lift.
$40 each. Sold as a pair only.
One RE Extreme duty tie rod with ends, perfect condition, never hit or
bent... $90.
One factory drag link setup... great condition, never bent or hit... $65.
Set of three Warn extended flares (you'll have to buy a single flare)...
brand new, never used... $150.
Pair of front TJ Sahara flares... great condition... $100
Factory spice 30" deluxe tire cover... $40.
Factory deluxe TJ radio with speakers...tons of TJ odds and ends (new
factory alternator... tow hooks... lights... etc)
Come see and make offer.
Joe West
31179 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 4:38pm
Subject: my new top with photos
Well, I did the unthinkable. I purchased a Steel Horse product against all
the best advice of my wheeling mentors. But, (flame me now), I love it. ;-)
I bought the new Rock Crusher top. It is a half top that only covers the
driver/passenger compartment and has a window right behind the front seats.
It fits into all of the soft top grooves in the removable door frames that
come with the soft top. It is a very tight fit and seems to be well made.
Only time will tell on that. I only have one complaint. The piece that
wraps around the top roll bar only snaps with those little round snaps you
find on authentic Levis. It was very hard to get them snapped and I don't
suspect they will last too long. Everything else was cut and sewn well.
This thing is just perfect for my rig because I can put the door frames and
top all behind my seat and I have decent overhead protection if I need it.
Anyone running a tonneau (Scott?) should take a look at this. I probably
won't run with this top on until it gets chilly going to early AM runs. So,
if anyone wants to see this thing in real lief give me a call before I
remove it for a while.
You will notice that I had to re-work my Mountaineer rack. Since it
originally bolted to the roll bars with muffler clamps it was in the way of
a clean install of the top so I mounted the rack directly to my steel
tonneau with 3/8 inch bolts and 1+1/2 inch risers. Now it is kind of free
standing rack and actually looks much cleaner.
<http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=13759990>
I know this won't take Steel Horse off the list but it is a nice product.
It was $125 at ORU with the club discount.
------------------------------------------
Jon Loveless
(480)816-6240 office AZ
jonloveless@m...
___________________________
31180 From: James Smith <jeepinsmitty@y...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 4:40pm
Subject: Day trip to the cooler weather....
OK,
The Family nad I want to get out of the valley to take
a day trip somewhere cooler, to hike and explore Also
with not alot of people around. ( the dogs love to
run).
Does anyone have any suggestions, in either the Payson
or Prescott areas, and Maybe even the Flag. Area?
Maybe somewhere with some water, the dog loves to swim
too..
Thanks a Bunch!!
Smitty
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31181 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 4:48pm
Subject: RE: my new top with photos
Jon,
I must confess... I too have purchased Steal Whorse recently; I bought those
rollbar hand holds to make it easier for the wife and kids to get into the
Jeep.
Also... I know that Chris Krieg has some Steal Whorse on his Jeep... but
will he confess?
<grin>
Good luck with your top... I hope it holds up well. Any chance you can take
some pictures of it and post them?
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Loveless [mailto:jonloveless@m...]
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:38 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] my new top with photos
>
>
> Well, I did the unthinkable. I purchased a Steel Horse
> product against all
> the best advice of my wheeling mentors. But, (flame me now),
> I love it. ;-)
>
> I bought the new Rock Crusher top. It is a half top that only
> covers the
> driver/passenger compartment and has a window right behind
> the front seats.
> It fits into all of the soft top grooves in the removable
> door frames that
> come with the soft top. It is a very tight fit and seems to
> be well made.
> Only time will tell on that. I only have one complaint. The
> piece that
> wraps around the top roll bar only snaps with those little
> round snaps you
> find on authentic Levis. It was very hard to get them snapped
> and I don't
> suspect they will last too long. Everything else was cut and
> sewn well.
> This thing is just perfect for my rig because I can put the
> door frames and
> top all behind my seat and I have decent overhead protection
> if I need it.
> Anyone running a tonneau (Scott?) should take a look at this.
> I probably
> won't run with this top on until it gets chilly going to
> early AM runs. So,
> if anyone wants to see this thing in real lief give me a call
> before I
> remove it for a while.
>
> You will notice that I had to re-work my Mountaineer rack. Since it
> originally bolted to the roll bars with muffler clamps it was
> in the way of
> a clean install of the top so I mounted the rack directly to my steel
> tonneau with 3/8 inch bolts and 1+1/2 inch risers. Now it is
> kind of free
> standing rack and actually looks much cleaner.
>
> <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=13759990>
>
> I know this won't take Steel Horse off the list but it is a
> nice product.
> It was $125 at ORU with the club discount.
>
> ------------------------------------------
> Jon Loveless
> (480)816-6240 office AZ
> jonloveless@m...
> ___________________________
>
>
>
>
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31182 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 4:49pm
Subject: RE: my new top with photos
Duh!
<grin>
I see you posted pictures... maybe I need to learn to read.
<grin>
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Loveless [mailto:jonloveless@m...]
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:38 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] my new top with photos
>
>
> Well, I did the unthinkable. I purchased a Steel Horse
> product against all
> the best advice of my wheeling mentors. But, (flame me now),
> I love it. ;-)
>
> I bought the new Rock Crusher top. It is a half top that only
> covers the
> driver/passenger compartment and has a window right behind
> the front seats.
> It fits into all of the soft top grooves in the removable
> door frames that
> come with the soft top. It is a very tight fit and seems to
> be well made.
> Only time will tell on that. I only have one complaint. The
> piece that
> wraps around the top roll bar only snaps with those little
> round snaps you
> find on authentic Levis. It was very hard to get them snapped
> and I don't
> suspect they will last too long. Everything else was cut and
> sewn well.
> This thing is just perfect for my rig because I can put the
> door frames and
> top all behind my seat and I have decent overhead protection
> if I need it.
> Anyone running a tonneau (Scott?) should take a look at this.
> I probably
> won't run with this top on until it gets chilly going to
> early AM runs. So,
> if anyone wants to see this thing in real lief give me a call
> before I
> remove it for a while.
>
> You will notice that I had to re-work my Mountaineer rack. Since it
> originally bolted to the roll bars with muffler clamps it was
> in the way of
> a clean install of the top so I mounted the rack directly to my steel
> tonneau with 3/8 inch bolts and 1+1/2 inch risers. Now it is
> kind of free
> standing rack and actually looks much cleaner.
>
> <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=13759990>
>
> I know this won't take Steel Horse off the list but it is a
> nice product.
> It was $125 at ORU with the club discount.
>
> ------------------------------------------
> Jon Loveless
> (480)816-6240 office AZ
> jonloveless@m...
> ___________________________
>
>
>
>
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31183 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 5:08pm
Subject: Re: my new top with photos
Yup, looks good Jon. Yes, I have Steel Horse on my Jeep. I have the same
rollbar hand holds that Joe has. They are holding up well so far. There is
no metal on them to rust though so I'm crossing my fingers.
Chris
> From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...>
> Reply-To: <arizonajeep@h...>
> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:48:30 -0700
> To: "'Jon Loveless'" <jonloveless@m...>, <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] my new top with photos
>
> Jon,
>
> I must confess... I too have purchased Steal Whorse recently; I bought those
> rollbar hand holds to make it easier for the wife and kids to get into the
> Jeep.
>
> Also... I know that Chris Krieg has some Steal Whorse on his Jeep... but
> will he confess?
> <grin>
>
> Good luck with your top... I hope it holds up well. Any chance you can take
> some pictures of it and post them?
>
>
> Joe West
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jon Loveless [mailto:jonloveless@m...]
>> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:38 PM
>> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [az_vjc] my new top with photos
>>
>>
>> Well, I did the unthinkable. I purchased a Steel Horse
>> product against all
>> the best advice of my wheeling mentors. But, (flame me now),
>> I love it. ;-)
>>
>> I bought the new Rock Crusher top. It is a half top that only
>> covers the
>> driver/passenger compartment and has a window right behind
>> the front seats.
>> It fits into all of the soft top grooves in the removable
>> door frames that
>> come with the soft top. It is a very tight fit and seems to
>> be well made.
>> Only time will tell on that. I only have one complaint. The
>> piece that
>> wraps around the top roll bar only snaps with those little
>> round snaps you
>> find on authentic Levis. It was very hard to get them snapped
>> and I don't
>> suspect they will last too long. Everything else was cut and
>> sewn well.
>> This thing is just perfect for my rig because I can put the
>> door frames and
>> top all behind my seat and I have decent overhead protection
>> if I need it.
>> Anyone running a tonneau (Scott?) should take a look at this.
>> I probably
>> won't run with this top on until it gets chilly going to
>> early AM runs. So,
>> if anyone wants to see this thing in real lief give me a call
>> before I
>> remove it for a while.
>>
>> You will notice that I had to re-work my Mountaineer rack. Since it
>> originally bolted to the roll bars with muffler clamps it was
>> in the way of
>> a clean install of the top so I mounted the rack directly to my steel
>> tonneau with 3/8 inch bolts and 1+1/2 inch risers. Now it is
>> kind of free
>> standing rack and actually looks much cleaner.
>>
>> <http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=13759990>
>>
>> I know this won't take Steel Horse off the list but it is a
>> nice product.
>> It was $125 at ORU with the club discount.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------
>> Jon Loveless
>> (480)816-6240 office AZ
>> jonloveless@m...
>> ___________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
31184 From: <rlpii@q...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 5:16pm
Subject: East Verde River Trail
Has anyone heard of, or taken, the East Verde River Trail. It is
supposed to be North of Payson off of SR 87 and someone told me it was
a 2.5 - 3.5 trail.
Any comments on the trail or can someone advise where it starts and
ends?
TIA,
rlp
31185 From: James Smith <jeepinsmitty@y...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 5:25pm
Subject: Re: Day trip to the cooler weather....
Ok, how about the Christopher Creek or Tonto Creek
area?
THX
--- James Smith <jeepinsmitty@y...> wrote:
> OK,
>
> The Family nad I want to get out of the valley to
> take
> a day trip somewhere cooler, to hike and explore
> Also
> with not alot of people around. ( the dogs love to
> run).
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions, in either the
> Payson
> or Prescott areas, and Maybe even the Flag. Area?
> Maybe somewhere with some water, the dog loves to
> swim
> too..
>
> Thanks a Bunch!!
>
> Smitty
>
>
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31186 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 5:40pm
Subject: RE: my new top with photos
Jon,
That looks nice and the price is right. I might have to get one before I tow
the TJ to Moab in a few weeks.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Loveless [mailto:jonloveless@m...]
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:38 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] my new top with photos
Well, I did the unthinkable. I purchased a Steel Horse product against all
the best advice of my wheeling mentors. But, (flame me now), I love it. ;-)
I bought the new Rock Crusher top. It is a half top that only covers the
driver/passenger compartment and has a window right behind the front seats.
It fits into all of the soft top grooves in the removable door frames that
come with the soft top. It is a very tight fit and seems to be well made.
Only time will tell on that. I only have one complaint. The piece that
wraps around the top roll bar only snaps with those little round snaps you
find on authentic Levis. It was very hard to get them snapped and I don't
suspect they will last too long. Everything else was cut and sewn well.
This thing is just perfect for my rig because I can put the door frames and
top all behind my seat and I have decent overhead protection if I need it.
Anyone running a tonneau (Scott?) should take a look at this. I probably
won't run with this top on until it gets chilly going to early AM runs. So,
if anyone wants to see this thing in real lief give me a call before I
remove it for a while.
You will notice that I had to re-work my Mountaineer rack. Since it
originally bolted to the roll bars with muffler clamps it was in the way of
a clean install of the top so I mounted the rack directly to my steel
tonneau with 3/8 inch bolts and 1+1/2 inch risers. Now it is kind of free
standing rack and actually looks much cleaner.
<http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=13759990>
I know this won't take Steel Horse off the list but it is a nice product.
It was $125 at ORU with the club discount.
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31187 From: Bill Witt <k7ant@t...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 7:10pm
Subject: Re: Day trip to the cooler weather....
Smitty,
Try Black Canyon lake on the Rim. Should be real cool now. We got rain
most of the
day up here.
Bill W
Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and Four Wheeler's country.
----- Original Message -----
From: James Smith <jeepinsmitty@y...>
To: azvjc <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:40 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Day trip to the cooler weather....
> OK,
>
> The Family nad I want to get out of the valley to take
> a day trip somewhere cooler, to hike and explore Also
> with not alot of people around. ( the dogs love to
> run).
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions, in either the Payson
> or Prescott areas, and Maybe even the Flag. Area?
> Maybe somewhere with some water, the dog loves to swim
> too..
>
> Thanks a Bunch!!
>
> Smitty
>
>
>
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31188 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 7:10pm
Subject: automotive calculations
Here is a site for the Jeep/mathematicians with nothing to do but prove
someone else wrong.
http://www.bgsoflex.com/auto.html
I mean who needs to know "Intake Runner Harmonic Pulse Predicition"??
Anyway, there are some good ones here, too.
Jon
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31189 From: Bill Witt <k7ant@t...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 7:14pm
Subject: Re: Day trip to the cooler weather....
You want a nice drive?
Go through Christopher Creek to Colcord road by the work center as you
start up the Rim. Turn right on Colcord and follow until you get to all the
mail boxes
by the fire station and then turn right and go to Colcord Fire look out.
After the look out
tower you will hit another road or "T". Turn left and it will bring you out
at Young Rd and
the turn off for the fish hatchery.
Bill W
Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and Four Wheeler's country.
----- Original Message -----
From: James Smith <jeepinsmitty@y...>
To: azvjc <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Day trip to the cooler weather....
> Ok, how about the Christopher Creek or Tonto Creek
> area?
>
> THX
>
> --- James Smith <jeepinsmitty@y...> wrote:
> > OK,
> >
> > The Family nad I want to get out of the valley to
> > take
> > a day trip somewhere cooler, to hike and explore
> > Also
> > with not alot of people around. ( the dogs love to
> > run).
> >
> > Does anyone have any suggestions, in either the
> > Payson
> > or Prescott areas, and Maybe even the Flag. Area?
> > Maybe somewhere with some water, the dog loves to
> > swim
> > too..
> >
> > Thanks a Bunch!!
> >
> > Smitty
> >
> >
> >
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31190 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 7:14pm
Subject: crawl ratio
This site calculates inches per second and MPH for crawl gears. Cool. (You
can tell I have nothing to do on a Saturday night).
http://www.quiknet.com/~ke6vut/crawlcalc.html
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31191 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 7:18pm
Subject: [OT] Satellite Internet
I recently installed a Hughes 2-way Satellite system for Internet
connectivity. Earthlink is my ISP. It was very pricey but there was no
other service near me. They advertise average of 400kbps download and
128kbps upload. I consistently get download benchmarks of over 1000kbps
excep mid day when it drops to about 700. The highest I have had is about
1500. These numbers are from using the CNET benchmark at:
http://webservices.cnet.com/bandwidth/
If anyone is interested how I did this let me know offline.
Jon
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