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31142 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:47pm
Subject: RE: Off Topic RE: Car bombs?? What the hell

<grin>

*Almost* eh?

I need to work on how I come across...
<laugh>

condescending atheist... kinda has a nice ring to it... although
condescending agnostic would probably be more accurate.
<smile>

Joe West

PS
Ross is just a beer drinkin gun totin redneck...
<big grin>
But I really like him anyway!
(and if there's anyone I'd want fighting for my rights... it would be Ross)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:13 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Off Topic RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
>
>
> Easy there, JW! You *almost* come across in that extremely long
> posting as a condescending atheist. Remember, in this country we are
> allowed to have our own personal opinions. Or is that something else
> that you've forgotten?
>
> This is just an observation. I agree with everything Ross said,
> and I agree with you, as well. You see, Joe, it is so very easy for
> one to feel torn the situation we are now faced with. Hurt, anger,
> fear, numbness, shock, and so very many others. Everyone does,
> however, feel exactly the SAME on one issue: we are American, and we
> will survive. May God bless America.
>
> Lachlan
>
>
> In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> wrote:
> > Ross... I must disagree...
> >
> >
> > There certainly ARE over reactions:
> >
> > News agencies reporting bombs in trucks crossing the George
> Washington
> > Bridge... when in fact it was an empty truck.
> >
> > News agencies reporting that three middle eastern men were arrested
> on a
> > plane yesterday... with knives and phony pilots licenses... when in
> fact no
> > one had a knife and the guy with the phony pilots license was
> caught on the
> > concourse.
> >
> > People reporting car bombs in Phoenix when in fact there were none.
> >
> > People believing that this is the beginning of WWIII.
> >
> > These are all examples of over reaction... and I could come up with
> more if
> > you need me to.
> >
> > Yes, we Americans (some of us anyway) are spoiled... some of us are
> naive...
> > and these traits (I believe you called them luxuries) are not going
> to
> > disappear anytime soon... much less forever.
> >
> > Americans have learned that we are more vulnerable than we
> expected...
> > nothing more... nothing less.
> >
> > We will attempt to change those things which we feel need to be
> changed
> > (airport security for instance). We will make a valiant effort to
> catch and
> > destroy the trash who murdered our citizens in New York... and then
> we will
> > move on to arguing about such important things as Bill Clinton's
> sex life
> > and the importance of guns to the preservation of freedom.
> >
> > And life in America will go on... with small, not large, changes.
> >
> > Only the naive have had their bubble burst; the rest of us expected
> > something like this.
> >
> > The death of all these people is far from trivial... but life in
> America (as
> > we know it) isn't ending for us and the world around us is not
> going to
> > change substantially (in the long term).
> >
> > The same people who are crying about this being the end of America
> as we
> > know it are the same people who purchased generators, stocked up on
> supplies
> > and water in preparation for January 1st, 2000. I don't hold it
> against
> > them because they don't know any better.
> >
> > You see Ross... it won't take "unrelenting force and judicious use
> of power"
> > for America to get back to normal... all it will take is time.
> >
> > Time.
> >
> > Nothing more.
> >
> > Nothing less.
> >
> > Next year on this date, I have scheduled a reminder in my daytimer
> to remind
> > you of this conversation... to remind you of just how little things
> have
> > changed in America... and finally, to remind you how very short
> America's
> > memory is...
> >
> > Short?
> >
> > You see Ross... for all the indignation we Americans have over this
> > incident... for all the self-righteous anger and advocation
> of "unrelenting
> > force and judicious use of power" we Americans feel will be
> necessary for
> > justice to prevail...
> >
> > We have forgotten something...
> >
> > Something important...
> >
> > We have forgotten that we killed a hundred times as many innocent
> civilians
> > than were killed in New York this Tuesday... with the well placed
> drop of a
> > nuclear bomb or two in Japan.
> >
> > How soon we are to cry for justice... how quickly we invoke the
> name of God
> > for our causes... and sadly... how quickly that we are to forget
> that we
> > have caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent
> civilians
> > ourselves.
> >
> > There is no new reality Ross... no trial of faith or courage... no
> effect on
> > future American generations...
> >
> > There is nothing but our extremely short memories... our ignorant
> cries
> > evoking the wrath of God upon the enemies who dare to treat us as
> we have
> > treated others...
> >
> > You see Ross... as we have forgotten... we will soon forget.
> >
> > It is my fervent hope that true justice be done in this case...
> that we find
> > the men who did this and punish them appropriately. It is also my
> hope that
> > the Americans who find it within themselves to hate others for what
> has
> > happened... those who wish for vengeance and death and
> destruction... those
> > who hate because of color of skin, race, or religion... spend a few
> moments
> > remembering.
> >
> > I suspect however, that I hope for too much.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s...]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:15 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> > >
> > >
> > > There are no over reactions now Joe. This the first salvo of
> > > a long battle.
> > > We are VERY spoiled and naive, that luxury is gone forever.
> > > I new this day would come, just not this soon.
> > >
> > > This new reality is not an inconvenience but a trial of our
> > > faith, courage
> > > and willingness to do a hard thing for future generations.
> > > The bubble around our country has been popped and it can
> > > never be put back
> > > except by unrelenting force and judicious use of power.
> > >
> > > Ross
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: JW [mailto:joew@a...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:07 PM
> > > To: kmichael02@y...; az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> > >
> > >
> > > Wrong.
> > >
> > > There is a suspicious car located in downtown Phoenix and the
> > > police haven't
> > > determined whether or not there are any explosives in it.
> > >
> > > Most likely, it is an overeaction.
> > >
> > > Joe West
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: kmichael02@y... [mailto:kmichael02@y...]
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:51 AM
> > > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I just heard on the news about 2 car bombs in Phoenix.
> > > >
> > > > WTF is going on!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

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31144 From: <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 9:02pm
Subject: Re: Off Topic RE: Car bombs?? What the hell

Hey Joe,

I'm glad you took that one exactly as I intended it.

Now for the important question: where can we get Jeep-mounted
rocket launcers and HUGE caliber rifles? I think the AZVJ Army
sounds pretty good. And with tall, wide, aired-down tires, driving
through the deserts of Afghanistan would be easier than a trip up
Anaconda!!!

Lachlan

In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> wrote:
> <grin>
>
> *Almost* eh?
>
> I need to work on how I come across...
> <laugh>
>
> condescending atheist... kinda has a nice ring to it... although
> condescending agnostic would probably be more accurate.
> <smile>
>
> Joe West
>
>
> PS
> Ross is just a beer drinkin gun totin redneck...
> <big grin>
> But I really like him anyway!
> (and if there's anyone I'd want fighting for my rights... it would
be Ross)
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:13 PM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: Re: Off Topic RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> >
> >
> > Easy there, JW! You *almost* come across in that extremely
long
> > posting as a condescending atheist. Remember, in this country we
are
> > allowed to have our own personal opinions. Or is that something
else
> > that you've forgotten?
> >
> > This is just an observation. I agree with everything Ross
said,
> > and I agree with you, as well. You see, Joe, it is so very easy
for
> > one to feel torn the situation we are now faced with. Hurt,
anger,
> > fear, numbness, shock, and so very many others. Everyone does,
> > however, feel exactly the SAME on one issue: we are American,
and we
> > will survive. May God bless America.
> >
> > Lachlan
> >
> >
> > In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> wrote:
> > > Ross... I must disagree...
> > >
> > >
> > > There certainly ARE over reactions:
> > >
> > > News agencies reporting bombs in trucks crossing the George
> > Washington
> > > Bridge... when in fact it was an empty truck.
> > >
> > > News agencies reporting that three middle eastern men were
arrested
> > on a
> > > plane yesterday... with knives and phony pilots licenses...
when in
> > fact no
> > > one had a knife and the guy with the phony pilots license was
> > caught on the
> > > concourse.
> > >
> > > People reporting car bombs in Phoenix when in fact there were
none.
> > >
> > > People believing that this is the beginning of WWIII.
> > >
> > > These are all examples of over reaction... and I could come up
with
> > more if
> > > you need me to.
> > >
> > > Yes, we Americans (some of us anyway) are spoiled... some of us
are
> > naive...
> > > and these traits (I believe you called them luxuries) are not
going
> > to
> > > disappear anytime soon... much less forever.
> > >
> > > Americans have learned that we are more vulnerable than we
> > expected...
> > > nothing more... nothing less.
> > >
> > > We will attempt to change those things which we feel need to be
> > changed
> > > (airport security for instance). We will make a valiant effort
to
> > catch and
> > > destroy the trash who murdered our citizens in New York... and
then
> > we will
> > > move on to arguing about such important things as Bill Clinton's
> > sex life
> > > and the importance of guns to the preservation of freedom.
> > >
> > > And life in America will go on... with small, not large,
changes.
> > >
> > > Only the naive have had their bubble burst; the rest of us
expected
> > > something like this.
> > >
> > > The death of all these people is far from trivial... but life in
> > America (as
> > > we know it) isn't ending for us and the world around us is not
> > going to
> > > change substantially (in the long term).
> > >
> > > The same people who are crying about this being the end of
America
> > as we
> > > know it are the same people who purchased generators, stocked
up on
> > supplies
> > > and water in preparation for January 1st, 2000. I don't hold it
> > against
> > > them because they don't know any better.
> > >
> > > You see Ross... it won't take "unrelenting force and judicious
use
> > of power"
> > > for America to get back to normal... all it will take is time.
> > >
> > > Time.
> > >
> > > Nothing more.
> > >
> > > Nothing less.
> > >
> > > Next year on this date, I have scheduled a reminder in my
daytimer
> > to remind
> > > you of this conversation... to remind you of just how little
things
> > have
> > > changed in America... and finally, to remind you how very short
> > America's
> > > memory is...
> > >
> > > Short?
> > >
> > > You see Ross... for all the indignation we Americans have over
this
> > > incident... for all the self-righteous anger and advocation
> > of "unrelenting
> > > force and judicious use of power" we Americans feel will be
> > necessary for
> > > justice to prevail...
> > >
> > > We have forgotten something...
> > >
> > > Something important...
> > >
> > > We have forgotten that we killed a hundred times as many
innocent
> > civilians
> > > than were killed in New York this Tuesday... with the well
placed
> > drop of a
> > > nuclear bomb or two in Japan.
> > >
> > > How soon we are to cry for justice... how quickly we invoke the
> > name of God
> > > for our causes... and sadly... how quickly that we are to forget
> > that we
> > > have caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent
> > civilians
> > > ourselves.
> > >
> > > There is no new reality Ross... no trial of faith or courage...
no
> > effect on
> > > future American generations...
> > >
> > > There is nothing but our extremely short memories... our
ignorant
> > cries
> > > evoking the wrath of God upon the enemies who dare to treat us
as
> > we have
> > > treated others...
> > >
> > > You see Ross... as we have forgotten... we will soon forget.
> > >
> > > It is my fervent hope that true justice be done in this case...
> > that we find
> > > the men who did this and punish them appropriately. It is also
my
> > hope that
> > > the Americans who find it within themselves to hate others for
what
> > has
> > > happened... those who wish for vengeance and death and
> > destruction... those
> > > who hate because of color of skin, race, or religion... spend a
few
> > moments
> > > remembering.
> > >
> > > I suspect however, that I hope for too much.
> > >
> > > Kind Regards,
> > >
> > > Joe West
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s...]
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:15 PM
> > > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There are no over reactions now Joe. This the first salvo of
> > > > a long battle.
> > > > We are VERY spoiled and naive, that luxury is gone forever.
> > > > I new this day would come, just not this soon.
> > > >
> > > > This new reality is not an inconvenience but a trial of our
> > > > faith, courage
> > > > and willingness to do a hard thing for future generations.
> > > > The bubble around our country has been popped and it can
> > > > never be put back
> > > > except by unrelenting force and judicious use of power.
> > > >
> > > > Ross
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: JW [mailto:joew@a...]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:07 PM
> > > > To: kmichael02@y...; az_vjc@y...
> > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Wrong.
> > > >
> > > > There is a suspicious car located in downtown Phoenix and the
> > > > police haven't
> > > > determined whether or not there are any explosives in it.
> > > >
> > > > Most likely, it is an overeaction.
> > > >
> > > > Joe West
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: kmichael02@y... [mailto:kmichael02@y...]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:51 AM
> > > > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I just heard on the news about 2 car bombs in Phoenix.
> > > > >
> > > > > WTF is going on!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >

31145 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 9:20pm
Subject: RE: Off Topic RE: Car bombs?? What the hell

Lachlan,

I just sent a message to your email account and it bounced... how odd.

Joe

> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:03 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Off Topic RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
>
>
> Hey Joe,
>
> I'm glad you took that one exactly as I intended it.
>
> Now for the important question: where can we get Jeep-mounted
> rocket launcers and HUGE caliber rifles? I think the AZVJ Army
> sounds pretty good. And with tall, wide, aired-down tires, driving
> through the deserts of Afghanistan would be easier than a trip up
> Anaconda!!!
>
> Lachlan
>
>
> In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> wrote:
> > <grin>
> >
> > *Almost* eh?
> >
> > I need to work on how I come across...
> > <laugh>
> >
> > condescending atheist... kinda has a nice ring to it... although
> > condescending agnostic would probably be more accurate.
> > <smile>
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> >
> > PS
> > Ross is just a beer drinkin gun totin redneck...
> > <big grin>
> > But I really like him anyway!
> > (and if there's anyone I'd want fighting for my rights... it would
> be Ross)
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 8:13 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: Re: Off Topic RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> > >
> > >
> > > Easy there, JW! You *almost* come across in that extremely
> long
> > > posting as a condescending atheist. Remember, in this country we
> are
> > > allowed to have our own personal opinions. Or is that something
> else
> > > that you've forgotten?
> > >
> > > This is just an observation. I agree with everything Ross
> said,
> > > and I agree with you, as well. You see, Joe, it is so very easy
> for
> > > one to feel torn the situation we are now faced with. Hurt,
> anger,
> > > fear, numbness, shock, and so very many others. Everyone does,
> > > however, feel exactly the SAME on one issue: we are American,
> and we
> > > will survive. May God bless America.
> > >
> > > Lachlan
> > >
> > >
> > > In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> wrote:
> > > > Ross... I must disagree...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There certainly ARE over reactions:
> > > >
> > > > News agencies reporting bombs in trucks crossing the George
> > > Washington
> > > > Bridge... when in fact it was an empty truck.
> > > >
> > > > News agencies reporting that three middle eastern men were
> arrested
> > > on a
> > > > plane yesterday... with knives and phony pilots licenses...
> when in
> > > fact no
> > > > one had a knife and the guy with the phony pilots license was
> > > caught on the
> > > > concourse.
> > > >
> > > > People reporting car bombs in Phoenix when in fact there were
> none.
> > > >
> > > > People believing that this is the beginning of WWIII.
> > > >
> > > > These are all examples of over reaction... and I could come up
> with
> > > more if
> > > > you need me to.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, we Americans (some of us anyway) are spoiled... some of us
> are
> > > naive...
> > > > and these traits (I believe you called them luxuries) are not
> going
> > > to
> > > > disappear anytime soon... much less forever.
> > > >
> > > > Americans have learned that we are more vulnerable than we
> > > expected...
> > > > nothing more... nothing less.
> > > >
> > > > We will attempt to change those things which we feel need to be
> > > changed
> > > > (airport security for instance). We will make a valiant effort
> to
> > > catch and
> > > > destroy the trash who murdered our citizens in New York... and
> then
> > > we will
> > > > move on to arguing about such important things as Bill Clinton's
> > > sex life
> > > > and the importance of guns to the preservation of freedom.
> > > >
> > > > And life in America will go on... with small, not large,
> changes.
> > > >
> > > > Only the naive have had their bubble burst; the rest of us
> expected
> > > > something like this.
> > > >
> > > > The death of all these people is far from trivial... but life in
> > > America (as
> > > > we know it) isn't ending for us and the world around us is not
> > > going to
> > > > change substantially (in the long term).
> > > >
> > > > The same people who are crying about this being the end of
> America
> > > as we
> > > > know it are the same people who purchased generators, stocked
> up on
> > > supplies
> > > > and water in preparation for January 1st, 2000. I don't hold it
> > > against
> > > > them because they don't know any better.
> > > >
> > > > You see Ross... it won't take "unrelenting force and judicious
> use
> > > of power"
> > > > for America to get back to normal... all it will take is time.
> > > >
> > > > Time.
> > > >
> > > > Nothing more.
> > > >
> > > > Nothing less.
> > > >
> > > > Next year on this date, I have scheduled a reminder in my
> daytimer
> > > to remind
> > > > you of this conversation... to remind you of just how little
> things
> > > have
> > > > changed in America... and finally, to remind you how very short
> > > America's
> > > > memory is...
> > > >
> > > > Short?
> > > >
> > > > You see Ross... for all the indignation we Americans have over
> this
> > > > incident... for all the self-righteous anger and advocation
> > > of "unrelenting
> > > > force and judicious use of power" we Americans feel will be
> > > necessary for
> > > > justice to prevail...
> > > >
> > > > We have forgotten something...
> > > >
> > > > Something important...
> > > >
> > > > We have forgotten that we killed a hundred times as many
> innocent
> > > civilians
> > > > than were killed in New York this Tuesday... with the well
> placed
> > > drop of a
> > > > nuclear bomb or two in Japan.
> > > >
> > > > How soon we are to cry for justice... how quickly we invoke the
> > > name of God
> > > > for our causes... and sadly... how quickly that we are to forget
> > > that we
> > > > have caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent
> > > civilians
> > > > ourselves.
> > > >
> > > > There is no new reality Ross... no trial of faith or courage...
> no
> > > effect on
> > > > future American generations...
> > > >
> > > > There is nothing but our extremely short memories... our
> ignorant
> > > cries
> > > > evoking the wrath of God upon the enemies who dare to treat us
> as
> > > we have
> > > > treated others...
> > > >
> > > > You see Ross... as we have forgotten... we will soon forget.
> > > >
> > > > It is my fervent hope that true justice be done in this case...
> > > that we find
> > > > the men who did this and punish them appropriately. It is also
> my
> > > hope that
> > > > the Americans who find it within themselves to hate others for
> what
> > > has
> > > > happened... those who wish for vengeance and death and
> > > destruction... those
> > > > who hate because of color of skin, race, or religion... spend a
> few
> > > moments
> > > > remembering.
> > > >
> > > > I suspect however, that I hope for too much.
> > > >
> > > > Kind Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Joe West
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s...]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:15 PM
> > > > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > There are no over reactions now Joe. This the first salvo of
> > > > > a long battle.
> > > > > We are VERY spoiled and naive, that luxury is gone forever.
> > > > > I new this day would come, just not this soon.
> > > > >
> > > > > This new reality is not an inconvenience but a trial of our
> > > > > faith, courage
> > > > > and willingness to do a hard thing for future generations.
> > > > > The bubble around our country has been popped and it can
> > > > > never be put back
> > > > > except by unrelenting force and judicious use of power.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ross
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: JW [mailto:joew@a...]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:07 PM
> > > > > To: kmichael02@y...; az_vjc@y...
> > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is a suspicious car located in downtown Phoenix and the
> > > > > police haven't
> > > > > determined whether or not there are any explosives in it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Most likely, it is an overeaction.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe West
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: kmichael02@y... [mailto:kmichael02@y...]
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:51 AM
> > > > > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just heard on the news about 2 car bombs in Phoenix.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > WTF is going on!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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31146 From: ROCNCJ7 <rocncj7@d...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 9:27pm
Subject: Re: Off Topic RE: Car bombs?? What the hell

Joe W.
I also see your point/points, but if we had not dropped those bombs and
killed hundreds/thousands of people (in a retaliatory measure), how many
more attacks and how many rights do you think we would have lost from
cowering under pressure? You need to decide which side of the fence to fall
on! You sound like a patriotic person yet you don't like the means for your
freedom. Maybe I didn't get the jest of your post, if so, I am sorry, but
war is not friendly and it is not nice. Those are facts, but I am sure you
enjoy your freedom gained by those facts. And contrary to your beliefs "Time
Doesn't Heal All Wounds!" Just ask someone who lost someone in those Towers
or at the Pentagon. Again, I am sorry if I read your post wrong, Just
voicing my opinion,

Daron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...>
To: "'Ross Skinner'" <rskinner@s...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 7:35 PM
Subject: Off Topic RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell

> Ross... I must disagree...
>
>
> There certainly ARE over reactions:
>
> News agencies reporting bombs in trucks crossing the George Washington
> Bridge... when in fact it was an empty truck.
>
> News agencies reporting that three middle eastern men were arrested on a
> plane yesterday... with knives and phony pilots licenses... when in fact
no
> one had a knife and the guy with the phony pilots license was caught on
the
> concourse.
>
> People reporting car bombs in Phoenix when in fact there were none.
>
> People believing that this is the beginning of WWIII.
>
> These are all examples of over reaction... and I could come up with more
if
> you need me to.
>
> Yes, we Americans (some of us anyway) are spoiled... some of us are
naive...
> and these traits (I believe you called them luxuries) are not going to
> disappear anytime soon... much less forever.
>
> Americans have learned that we are more vulnerable than we expected...
> nothing more... nothing less.
>
> We will attempt to change those things which we feel need to be changed
> (airport security for instance). We will make a valiant effort to catch
and
> destroy the trash who murdered our citizens in New York... and then we
will
> move on to arguing about such important things as Bill Clinton's sex life
> and the importance of guns to the preservation of freedom.
>
> And life in America will go on... with small, not large, changes.
>
> Only the naive have had their bubble burst; the rest of us expected
> something like this.
>
> The death of all these people is far from trivial... but life in America
(as
> we know it) isn't ending for us and the world around us is not going to
> change substantially (in the long term).
>
> The same people who are crying about this being the end of America as we
> know it are the same people who purchased generators, stocked up on
supplies
> and water in preparation for January 1st, 2000. I don't hold it against
> them because they don't know any better.
>
> You see Ross... it won't take "unrelenting force and judicious use of
power"
> for America to get back to normal... all it will take is time.
>
> Time.
>
> Nothing more.
>
> Nothing less.
>
> Next year on this date, I have scheduled a reminder in my daytimer to
remind
> you of this conversation... to remind you of just how little things have
> changed in America... and finally, to remind you how very short America's
> memory is...
>
> Short?
>
> You see Ross... for all the indignation we Americans have over this
> incident... for all the self-righteous anger and advocation of
"unrelenting
> force and judicious use of power" we Americans feel will be necessary for
> justice to prevail...
>
> We have forgotten something...
>
> Something important...
>
> We have forgotten that we killed a hundred times as many innocent
civilians
> than were killed in New York this Tuesday... with the well placed drop of
a
> nuclear bomb or two in Japan.
>
> How soon we are to cry for justice... how quickly we invoke the name of
God
> for our causes... and sadly... how quickly that we are to forget that we
> have caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians
> ourselves.
>
> There is no new reality Ross... no trial of faith or courage... no effect
on
> future American generations...
>
> There is nothing but our extremely short memories... our ignorant cries
> evoking the wrath of God upon the enemies who dare to treat us as we have
> treated others...
>
> You see Ross... as we have forgotten... we will soon forget.
>
> It is my fervent hope that true justice be done in this case... that we
find
> the men who did this and punish them appropriately. It is also my hope
that
> the Americans who find it within themselves to hate others for what has
> happened... those who wish for vengeance and death and destruction...
those
> who hate because of color of skin, race, or religion... spend a few
moments
> remembering.
>
> I suspect however, that I hope for too much.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s...]
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:15 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> >
> >
> > There are no over reactions now Joe. This the first salvo of
> > a long battle.
> > We are VERY spoiled and naive, that luxury is gone forever.
> > I new this day would come, just not this soon.
> >
> > This new reality is not an inconvenience but a trial of our
> > faith, courage
> > and willingness to do a hard thing for future generations.
> > The bubble around our country has been popped and it can
> > never be put back
> > except by unrelenting force and judicious use of power.
> >
> > Ross
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: JW [mailto:joew@a...]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:07 PM
> > To: kmichael02@y...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> >
> >
> > Wrong.
> >
> > There is a suspicious car located in downtown Phoenix and the
> > police haven't
> > determined whether or not there are any explosives in it.
> >
> > Most likely, it is an overeaction.
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: kmichael02@y... [mailto:kmichael02@y...]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:51 AM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> > >
> > >
> > > I just heard on the news about 2 car bombs in Phoenix.
> > >
> > > WTF is going on!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

31147 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 9:24pm
Subject: [FS] FS

Price:

Contact:

Mitch Svor

31148 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 9:26pm
Subject: [FS] FS: 31" BFG mud terrains

Price: ?

Contact: cheezy321@home.com

Would like to trade this but make an offer if you dont want to trade. the tires have about 95% tread left i would guess. I would like to do a trade for maybe 32 inch tires or maybe a used lift kit and i could add some money in there in case our trade isnt even. COntact me at cheezy321@home.com if your interested. thanks

Mitch Svor

31149 From: Leah & Geoff <leahlsq@q...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:21pm
Subject: Re: OT AMERICAN FLAGS

Here is a nifty little flag my thoughtful sister sent to me, try it!
Oh yea, you will need a color printer.

http://www.illusivewebdesign.com/myrally/flag

Leah 94YJ Tucson

31150 From: <scrambler81@q...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 9:26pm
Subject: scramblers

Anyone out there a scrambler owner? Would like to find out if there
are any swap meets for Jeep parts around here and get some ideas of
good, reliable Jeep mechanics. I can do most of the work myself but
do need help or advise occasionally.

31151 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 9:40pm
Subject: [FS] Four Bridgestone P265/70R16 Dueler H/T Tires For Sale

Price: $190.00 or trade

Contact: Weekdays (480)797-4112 Weekends/Evenings (480)940-7263

Four Bridgestone P265/70R16 Dueler H/T Tires....Less than
5,000 miles on them. Came off a new 2001 Tundra.....

Asking $190.00 for the set....Will consider trades for the
following:.....

Full steel doors for a late CJ7 or YJ......
Lift kit for YJ (spring lift, not shackle or body lift)......
31 or 32 inch All Terrain type tires (not M/Ts) for 15" rims.....
Upper Sliders for steel half doors...cloth or fiberglass door w/glass slider....

Jerry Kryn

31152 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 9:40pm
Subject: [FS] dana 20

Price: $350

Contact: Chris@ 602-526-2584

This is a dana 20 from a bronco. It has a lower gear than the jeep model.Comes w/t-18 adapter and a slip yoke eliminator..

Chris Jean

31153 From: Leah & Geoff <leahlsq@q...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:41pm
Subject: Re: scramblers

We have a 85 Scrambler
but we are in Tucson, sounds like you
are in the Phoenix area. We scrounge for
parts everywhere just like everyone else
around here. No good swap meets for Jeep
parts. But we can give you some advise.
That's what were here for.

Leah & Geoff
85 CJ8 SOA
94 YJ SUA and stayin' that way
2001 XJ stocker

-----Original Message-----
From: scrambler81@q... <scrambler81@q...>
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:27 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] scramblers

>Anyone out there a scrambler owner? Would like to find out if there
>are any swap meets for Jeep parts around here and get some ideas of
>good, reliable Jeep mechanics. I can do most of the work myself but
>do need help or advise occasionally.
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

31154 From: lynch <lynch@v...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 10:00pm
Subject: OT : The new WTC

Hope they build the new World Trade Centers like this.

http://snoopy.net/~lynch/

God Bless America,

lynch

31155 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 10:09pm
Subject: RE: Off Topic RE: Car bombs?? What the hell

Daron,

I never once uttered the phrase "time heals all wounds" or anything even
close to it.
That statement reeks of ignorance... and I wouldn't even think it much less
say it.

That being said, you are absolutely correct... I don't like the means for
freedom when they involve mass killings of innocent people; Japanese or
American... We could have achieved the same freedom we have today without
murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians... Just as our middle
eastern friends could have better achieved their goals without killing our
citizens last Tuesday. Wrong is wrong Daron... regardless of whether it is
America doing the wrong or some terrorist.
Those who believe that America always does the right thing are sadly
mistaken... we have made our fair share of mistakes; and using nuclear
weapons on Japan was just one of them. The point of my post was to remind
people that we too have made our share of mistakes... and we need to
remember those mistakes before we go off half-****ed and raze another's
homeland just to make ourselves feel better.

You are wrong on one thing though; I am absolutely NOT patriotic... but I
WILL defend American soil against any foreign attackers to the death. I
could care less if someone burns the American flag.... I think the vast
majority of American politicians are crooked to the core.... I think that
far too many Americans have bred with their cousins; producing offspring
like Bill Clinton. The word Patriotic is analogous to the word idiotic in
my book... symbolic of a person who lets a group of people do their thinking
for them. I think for myself. I decide what is right and what is wrong for
me. I follow the laws of our country that I agree with, and I break those I
disagree with. I accept responsibility for all of my actions. Anyone who
lets someone else (or a group of people known as a "country") decide what is
right and wrong for them is a sheep.... with all the intellect that goes
with that label. I set, and live, by my standards only.

Now that I've identified myself as not patriotic... I will admit that I am
extremely lucky to be born in America; for all her faults... no other
country does it better. When our country does something I disagree with; I
speak with my vote. When our politicians get too far out of line; our
system, however imperfect, seems to bring them back into line. While our
system is not perfect; I believe it is as good as is humanly possible.
Patriotic I am not... willing to die to protect our way of life and the
ground we live on? Absolutely. Willing to die to protect any other piece
of ground? Not on your life. Willing to kill for any other piece of
ground? Hell no. Defending democracy around the world... what a crock.

Now that I have alienated 99% of the list with this diatribe... if you feel
the pressing need to respond to this post; please do so offline before I
start getting hate-mail. <grin>

Joe West

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ROCNCJ7 [mailto:rocncj7@d...]
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:28 PM
> To: arizonajeep@h...; 'Ross Skinner'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Off Topic RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
>
>
> Joe W.
> I also see your point/points, but if we had not dropped those
> bombs and
> killed hundreds/thousands of people (in a retaliatory
> measure), how many
> more attacks and how many rights do you think we would have lost from
> cowering under pressure? You need to decide which side of the
> fence to fall
> on! You sound like a patriotic person yet you don't like the
> means for your
> freedom. Maybe I didn't get the jest of your post, if so, I
> am sorry, but
> war is not friendly and it is not nice. Those are facts, but
> I am sure you
> enjoy your freedom gained by those facts. And contrary to
> your beliefs "Time
> Doesn't Heal All Wounds!" Just ask someone who lost someone
> in those Towers
> or at the Pentagon. Again, I am sorry if I read your post wrong, Just
> voicing my opinion,
>
> Daron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...>
> To: "'Ross Skinner'" <rskinner@s...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 7:35 PM
> Subject: Off Topic RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
>
>
> > Ross... I must disagree...
> >
> >
> > There certainly ARE over reactions:
> >
> > News agencies reporting bombs in trucks crossing the George
> Washington
> > Bridge... when in fact it was an empty truck.
> >
> > News agencies reporting that three middle eastern men were
> arrested on a
> > plane yesterday... with knives and phony pilots licenses...
> when in fact
> no
> > one had a knife and the guy with the phony pilots license
> was caught on
> the
> > concourse.
> >
> > People reporting car bombs in Phoenix when in fact there were none.
> >
> > People believing that this is the beginning of WWIII.
> >
> > These are all examples of over reaction... and I could come
> up with more
> if
> > you need me to.
> >
> > Yes, we Americans (some of us anyway) are spoiled... some of us are
> naive...
> > and these traits (I believe you called them luxuries) are
> not going to
> > disappear anytime soon... much less forever.
> >
> > Americans have learned that we are more vulnerable than we
> expected...
> > nothing more... nothing less.
> >
> > We will attempt to change those things which we feel need
> to be changed
> > (airport security for instance). We will make a valiant
> effort to catch
> and
> > destroy the trash who murdered our citizens in New York...
> and then we
> will
> > move on to arguing about such important things as Bill
> Clinton's sex life
> > and the importance of guns to the preservation of freedom.
> >
> > And life in America will go on... with small, not large, changes.
> >
> > Only the naive have had their bubble burst; the rest of us expected
> > something like this.
> >
> > The death of all these people is far from trivial... but
> life in America
> (as
> > we know it) isn't ending for us and the world around us is
> not going to
> > change substantially (in the long term).
> >
> > The same people who are crying about this being the end of
> America as we
> > know it are the same people who purchased generators, stocked up on
> supplies
> > and water in preparation for January 1st, 2000. I don't
> hold it against
> > them because they don't know any better.
> >
> > You see Ross... it won't take "unrelenting force and
> judicious use of
> power"
> > for America to get back to normal... all it will take is time.
> >
> > Time.
> >
> > Nothing more.
> >
> > Nothing less.
> >
> > Next year on this date, I have scheduled a reminder in my
> daytimer to
> remind
> > you of this conversation... to remind you of just how
> little things have
> > changed in America... and finally, to remind you how very
> short America's
> > memory is...
> >
> > Short?
> >
> > You see Ross... for all the indignation we Americans have over this
> > incident... for all the self-righteous anger and advocation of
> "unrelenting
> > force and judicious use of power" we Americans feel will be
> necessary for
> > justice to prevail...
> >
> > We have forgotten something...
> >
> > Something important...
> >
> > We have forgotten that we killed a hundred times as many innocent
> civilians
> > than were killed in New York this Tuesday... with the well
> placed drop of
> a
> > nuclear bomb or two in Japan.
> >
> > How soon we are to cry for justice... how quickly we invoke
> the name of
> God
> > for our causes... and sadly... how quickly that we are to
> forget that we
> > have caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent
> civilians
> > ourselves.
> >
> > There is no new reality Ross... no trial of faith or
> courage... no effect
> on
> > future American generations...
> >
> > There is nothing but our extremely short memories... our
> ignorant cries
> > evoking the wrath of God upon the enemies who dare to treat
> us as we have
> > treated others...
> >
> > You see Ross... as we have forgotten... we will soon forget.
> >
> > It is my fervent hope that true justice be done in this
> case... that we
> find
> > the men who did this and punish them appropriately. It is
> also my hope
> that
> > the Americans who find it within themselves to hate others
> for what has
> > happened... those who wish for vengeance and death and
> destruction...
> those
> > who hate because of color of skin, race, or religion... spend a few
> moments
> > remembering.
> >
> > I suspect however, that I hope for too much.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s...]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:15 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> > >
> > >
> > > There are no over reactions now Joe. This the first salvo of
> > > a long battle.
> > > We are VERY spoiled and naive, that luxury is gone forever.
> > > I new this day would come, just not this soon.
> > >
> > > This new reality is not an inconvenience but a trial of our
> > > faith, courage
> > > and willingness to do a hard thing for future generations.
> > > The bubble around our country has been popped and it can
> > > never be put back
> > > except by unrelenting force and judicious use of power.
> > >
> > > Ross
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: JW [mailto:joew@a...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:07 PM
> > > To: kmichael02@y...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> > >
> > >
> > > Wrong.
> > >
> > > There is a suspicious car located in downtown Phoenix and the
> > > police haven't
> > > determined whether or not there are any explosives in it.
> > >
> > > Most likely, it is an overeaction.
> > >
> > > Joe West
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: kmichael02@y... [mailto:kmichael02@y...]
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:51 AM
> > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I just heard on the news about 2 car bombs in Phoenix.
> > > >
> > > > WTF is going on!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> >
> >
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31156 From: chiena <chiena@e...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 9:58pm
Subject: Re: Shop for emissions help - details

Had the same problem with emissions. I had a vac leak which more than
doubled the nox. fixed that but but missed the maximum by .08 then ended up
changing the cat which ended up bringing all readings way below maximum
limits. Try changing your cat or get it tested for efficiency
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From: "Daryl Faust" <louddog71@y...>
To: <jeeperaz@b...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 7:27 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Shop for emissions help - details

> 86 CJ7 with the 258 and stock carter carb.
>
> First time I failed NOX by a hair.
> For the second time, I fixed a vacuum leak (and
> replaced/checked just about every vacuum hose) and got
> the EGR system working and I failed on CO and HC big
> time but NOX was down to nothing.
> For the third time, I got the 10" and 4" Hg switches
> working and failed NOX at 7.8, it should be 4.5, but
> HC and CO are now very low.
>
> Any ideas on dropping NOX other then the EGR? Would
> turning the timing way down help? I'm ready to just
> pay someone to get it to pass and tell me what they
> did so I can undo it after it passes. Anyone know a
> good shop for this?
>
>
>
> --- jeeperaz@b... wrote:
> > Why dont you post more info.
> >
> > What year jeep, what engine, setup specs, miles?
> > What is failing?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., Daryl Faust <louddog71@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Anyone know a good shop in the East valley that
> > can
> > > get me to pass emissions test?
> > > After three tries I'm out of ideas and throwing in
> > the
> > > towel.
> > > *&$%^%$# EMISSIONS TEST!!!
> > >
> > >
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31157 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 10:11pm
Subject: Re: OT AMERICAN FLAGS

I saw a Mesa PD scout car today with a flag placard w/"God Bless America" in the back window.....

TJ Gill
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31158 From: Kevin <nau88xj@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 10:22pm
Subject: Re: [FS] dana 20

It's hard to find those D20's with the slip yoke eliminator!

;-)

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Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] dana 20

Price: $350

Contact: Chris@ 602-526-2584

This is a dana 20 from a bronco. It has a lower gear than the jeep model.Comes w/t-18 adapter and a slip yoke eliminator..

Chris Jean

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31159 From: ERIC C MARBLE <emarble3@p...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 10:44pm
Subject: Re: Off Topic RE: Car bombs?? What the hell

Joe I know I don't participate in allot of the conversations on this board,
but there is a time and place for everything and now may not be the time.

Eric Marble

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...>
To: "'ROCNCJ7'" <rocncj7@d...>; "'Ross Skinner'"
<rskinner@s...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: Off Topic RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell

> Daron,
>
> I never once uttered the phrase "time heals all wounds" or anything even
> close to it.
> That statement reeks of ignorance... and I wouldn't even think it much
less
> say it.
>
> That being said, you are absolutely correct... I don't like the means for
> freedom when they involve mass killings of innocent people; Japanese or
> American... We could have achieved the same freedom we have today
withoutI dont'
> murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians... Just as our
middle
> eastern friends could have better achieved their goals without killing our
> citizens last Tuesday. Wrong is wrong Daron... regardless of whether it
is
> America doing the wrong or some terrorist.
> Those who believe that America always does the right thing are sadly
> mistaken... we have made our fair share of mistakes; and using nuclear
> weapons on Japan was just one of them. The point of my post was to remind
> people that we too have made our share of mistakes... and we need to
> remember those mistakes before we go off half-****ed and raze another's
> homeland just to make ourselves feel better.
>
> You are wrong on one thing though; I am absolutely NOT patriotic... but I
> WILL defend American soil against any foreign attackers to the death. I
> could care less if someone burns the American flag.... I think the vast
> majority of American politicians are crooked to the core.... I think that
> far too many Americans have bred with their cousins; producing offspring
> like Bill Clinton. The word Patriotic is analogous to the word idiotic in
> my book... symbolic of a person who lets a group of people do their
thinking
> for them. I think for myself. I decide what is right and what is wrong
for
> me. I follow the laws of our country that I agree with, and I break those
I
> disagree with. I accept responsibility for all of my actions. Anyone who
> lets someone else (or a group of people known as a "country") decide what
is
> right and wrong for them is a sheep.... with all the intellect that goes
> with that label. I set, and live, by my standards only.
>
> Now that I've identified myself as not patriotic... I will admit that I am
> extremely lucky to be born in America; for all her faults... no other
> country does it better. When our country does something I disagree with;
I
> speak with my vote. When our politicians get too far out of line; our
> system, however imperfect, seems to bring them back into line. While our
> system is not perfect; I believe it is as good as is humanly possible.
> Patriotic I am not... willing to die to protect our way of life and the
> ground we live on? Absolutely. Willing to die to protect any other piece
> of ground? Not on your life. Willing to kill for any other piece of
> ground? Hell no. Defending democracy around the world... what a crock.
>
> Now that I have alienated 99% of the list with this diatribe... if you
feel
> the pressing need to respond to this post; please do so offline before I
> start getting hate-mail. <grin>
>
> Joe West
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ROCNCJ7 [mailto:rocncj7@d...]
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:28 PM
> > To: arizonajeep@h...; 'Ross Skinner'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Off Topic RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> >
> >
> > Joe W.
> > I also see your point/points, but if we had not dropped those
> > bombs and
> > killed hundreds/thousands of people (in a retaliatory
> > measure), how many
> > more attacks and how many rights do you think we would have lost from
> > cowering under pressure? You need to decide which side of the
> > fence to fall
> > on! You sound like a patriotic person yet you don't like the
> > means for your
> > freedom. Maybe I didn't get the jest of your post, if so, I
> > am sorry, but
> > war is not friendly and it is not nice. Those are facts, but
> > I am sure you
> > enjoy your freedom gained by those facts. And contrary to
> > your beliefs "Time
> > Doesn't Heal All Wounds!" Just ask someone who lost someone
> > in those Towers
> > or at the Pentagon. Again, I am sorry if I read your post wrong, Just
> > voicing my opinion,
> >
> > Daron
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...>
> > To: "'Ross Skinner'" <rskinner@s...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 7:35 PM
> > Subject: Off Topic RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> >
> >
> > > Ross... I must disagree...
> > >
> > >
> > > There certainly ARE over reactions:
> > >
> > > News agencies reporting bombs in trucks crossing the George
> > Washington
> > > Bridge... when in fact it was an empty truck.
> > >
> > > News agencies reporting that three middle eastern men were
> > arrested on a
> > > plane yesterday... with knives and phony pilots licenses...
> > when in fact
> > no
> > > one had a knife and the guy with the phony pilots license
> > was caught on
> > the
> > > concourse.
> > >
> > > People reporting car bombs in Phoenix when in fact there were none.
> > >
> > > People believing that this is the beginning of WWIII.
> > >
> > > These are all examples of over reaction... and I could come
> > up with more
> > if
> > > you need me to.
> > >
> > > Yes, we Americans (some of us anyway) are spoiled... some of us are
> > naive...
> > > and these traits (I believe you called them luxuries) are
> > not going to
> > > disappear anytime soon... much less forever.
> > >
> > > Americans have learned that we are more vulnerable than we
> > expected...
> > > nothing more... nothing less.
> > >
> > > We will attempt to change those things which we feel need
> > to be changed
> > > (airport security for instance). We will make a valiant
> > effort to catch
> > and
> > > destroy the trash who murdered our citizens in New York...
> > and then we
> > will
> > > move on to arguing about such important things as Bill
> > Clinton's sex life
> > > and the importance of guns to the preservation of freedom.
> > >
> > > And life in America will go on... with small, not large, changes.
> > >
> > > Only the naive have had their bubble burst; the rest of us expected
> > > something like this.
> > >
> > > The death of all these people is far from trivial... but
> > life in America
> > (as
> > > we know it) isn't ending for us and the world around us is
> > not going to
> > > change substantially (in the long term).
> > >
> > > The same people who are crying about this being the end of
> > America as we
> > > know it are the same people who purchased generators, stocked up on
> > supplies
> > > and water in preparation for January 1st, 2000. I don't
> > hold it against
> > > them because they don't know any better.
> > >
> > > You see Ross... it won't take "unrelenting force and
> > judicious use of
> > power"
> > > for America to get back to normal... all it will take is time.
> > >
> > > Time.
> > >
> > > Nothing more.
> > >
> > > Nothing less.
> > >
> > > Next year on this date, I have scheduled a reminder in my
> > daytimer to
> > remind
> > > you of this conversation... to remind you of just how
> > little things have
> > > changed in America... and finally, to remind you how very
> > short America's
> > > memory is...
> > >
> > > Short?
> > >
> > > You see Ross... for all the indignation we Americans have over this
> > > incident... for all the self-righteous anger and advocation of
> > "unrelenting
> > > force and judicious use of power" we Americans feel will be
> > necessary for
> > > justice to prevail...
> > >
> > > We have forgotten something...
> > >
> > > Something important...
> > >
> > > We have forgotten that we killed a hundred times as many innocent
> > civilians
> > > than were killed in New York this Tuesday... with the well
> > placed drop of
> > a
> > > nuclear bomb or two in Japan.
> > >
> > > How soon we are to cry for justice... how quickly we invoke
> > the name of
> > God
> > > for our causes... and sadly... how quickly that we are to
> > forget that we
> > > have caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent
> > civilians
> > > ourselves.
> > >
> > > There is no new reality Ross... no trial of faith or
> > courage... no effect
> > on
> > > future American generations...
> > >
> > > There is nothing but our extremely short memories... our
> > ignorant cries
> > > evoking the wrath of God upon the enemies who dare to treat
> > us as we have
> > > treated others...
> > >
> > > You see Ross... as we have forgotten... we will soon forget.
> > >
> > > It is my fervent hope that true justice be done in this
> > case... that we
> > find
> > > the men who did this and punish them appropriately. It is
> > also my hope
> > that
> > > the Americans who find it within themselves to hate others
> > for what has
> > > happened... those who wish for vengeance and death and
> > destruction...
> > those
> > > who hate because of color of skin, race, or religion... spend a few
> > moments
> > > remembering.
> > >
> > > I suspect however, that I hope for too much.
> > >
> > > Kind Regards,
> > >
> > > Joe West
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s...]
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:15 PM
> > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There are no over reactions now Joe. This the first salvo of
> > > > a long battle.
> > > > We are VERY spoiled and naive, that luxury is gone forever.
> > > > I new this day would come, just not this soon.
> > > >
> > > > This new reality is not an inconvenience but a trial of our
> > > > faith, courage
> > > > and willingness to do a hard thing for future generations.
> > > > The bubble around our country has been popped and it can
> > > > never be put back
> > > > except by unrelenting force and judicious use of power.
> > > >
> > > > Ross
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: JW [mailto:joew@a...]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:07 PM
> > > > To: kmichael02@y...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Wrong.
> > > >
> > > > There is a suspicious car located in downtown Phoenix and the
> > > > police haven't
> > > > determined whether or not there are any explosives in it.
> > > >
> > > > Most likely, it is an overeaction.
> > > >
> > > > Joe West
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: kmichael02@y... [mailto:kmichael02@y...]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:51 AM
> > > > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I just heard on the news about 2 car bombs in Phoenix.
> > > > >
> > > > > WTF is going on!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
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31160 From: <brash5035@a...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 6:51pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1209

In reference to the car bomb in down town Phoenix: this was in reaction to information gathered by the FBI. A stolen car loaded w/explosives was reported to be on its way from Las Vegas to Phoenix. Law enforcement did find a red car that was reported stolen last month, parked in front of the Superior Court building on Jefferson Street. No explosives were found in this car. Let's hope the real bad guys kept on driving. I was there when this was going on...believe me sometimes it may be better not knowing what's going on. Robert.

31161 From: <Jeep2Deep@c...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 2:45am
Subject: 6" RE Long Arm Kit?

I need some information on the RE 6" Long Arm:

1) Does it use any of the factory brackets or mounts at the frame and?

2) How long are the arms?

3) Does installation require any welding?

4) How much?

Thanks,
Joe Pollick

31162 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 7:48am
Subject: [FS] Wheels and Tiller

Price: 75.00 and 800.00 OBO

Contact: Bob 480-987-0259

5ea 15 X 10 Chrome mod wheels in good shape 5 X 5.5
pattern and Troy-bilt tiller with NEW 8hp motor.

Bob Nyberg

31163 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 9:22am
Subject: Spring testing service

Hi All,

I am looking for a company that has the tools to measure spring rates
and, perhaps, identify the cause the of the breakage. The snapped point
in the coil has a black spot. No rust marks. It broke all at once.

I want to make sure that the springs RE is sending have approximately
the same spring rate as the ones that are currently on the Jeep.

Thanks!
Linda

31164 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 10:34am
Subject: RE: 6" RE Long Arm Kit?

Joe,

The 6" long arm is an awesome setup. I've had mine for about 4 months. The ride both onroad and offroad is far superior to any short arm setup. I've had comments from stock TJ owners that it rides better than their stock TJ's. On the rocks, the Jeeps stability has improved like day vs night. No more rear steer under flex, no skateboarding, and you can't lift the left front tire off the pavement onroad anymore. Combine this suspension with a set of RS9000's and you can't find a better off the shelf setup out there.

The arms are about 3 feet long. None of the stock frame brackets are used. I recommend you strengthen the axle brackets with 1/4" plate. The crossmember install will require some welding on the 6 frame spacers that are installed. This isn't difficult at all and if you need help with the install let me know.

I'd set aside $2400 to do the complete kit. Well worth every penny I might add compared to the 4.5" RE short arm lift I ran for 2 years previous. Whether you choose to do a Currie Antirock at the same time is a personal choice.

I recently bent my front trackbar but that is a rare occurence and RE is sending out a replacement.

Like I said before, I'd be more than happy to help you install it if you do get it.

Regards,

Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeep2Deep@cs.com [mailto:Jeep2Deep@cs.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 6:45 AM
To: 4x4Jeeps@egroups.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; jeep-tj@mailinglists.org; OcalaJeepClub@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] 6" RE Long Arm Kit?

I need some information on the RE 6" Long Arm:

1) Does it use any of the factory brackets or mounts at the frame and?

2) How long are the arms?

3) Does installation require any welding?

4) How much?

Thanks,
Joe Pollick
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31165 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 11:09am
Subject: [FS] 15 by 10 "Prime" alloys for Jeep, Cheep !

Price: $80.00 for the set

Contact: Steve Wise 602-867-8027

Rims are in good condition, 5 on 4.5 bolt circle with a four inch back set from mounting surface. These wheels came off my 95 Wrangler.

Steve Wise

31166 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2001 11:20am
Subject: [FS] TJ seats for sale

Price: Any reasonable offer

Contact: scottkruize@earthlink.net

These seats are out of my 1999 Wrangler Sport. The color is light camel. They had 20,000 miles of use before coming out. They look good as new. I deep cleaned and vinyl protected them after removing them and they are wrapped in plastic and sitting in a box. Make me an offer.

Scott Kruize