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31117 From: Kim Monson <MOMSBUMBLEBEE@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 2:53pm
Subject: Re: OT AMERICAN FLAGS
I agree! I went to Ace on Broadway, 2 different stores, who both had just
received a shipment, and they were gone. All of them. I got a few of the
3X5's but nothing bigger than that. It's sad though, I'm really not seeing
many of the police cars with any type of flag or symbol on them, or many
other cars for that matter. What's up with all that!!?????? COME ON
GUYS/GALS!!! LET'S GET IT DONE!!!! SHOW THEM ALL!!! SHOW THEM WHAT WE'VE
GOT AND WHAT WE'RE ALL ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHOW THEM THE USA IS
#1!!!!! INSIDE AND OUT!!!
>From: "Chris R." <my1stjeep@e...>
>Reply-To: <My1stJeep@e...>
>To: RICK BEER <RIKNAZ@M...>, JEEP <AZ_VJC@YAHOOGROUPS.COM>
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OT AMERICAN FLAGS
>Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:33:41 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I wish I knew where they were all going too. My drive is an hour long
>every
>morning, I see over a thousand vehicles every morning, past many
>subdivisions, yet I only counted 5 flags being flown on vehicles, 6 if you
>count mine and even less flying in front of homes. See the stories for all
>the flags sold, but sure don't see them displayed.
>
>Chris
>http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
>My1stJeep@e...
>'97 TJ
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>On Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:39:02 -0700, RICK BEER wrote:
>
> > I have stopped at several places to purchace some AMERICAN FLAGS to
>display on my house and on my cb antenna everyone is sold out everyone is
>getting their hands on them before i can so if anyone see's alot of the
>red white and blue let us know were they are so i can show my support
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31118 From: <paparoach@q...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 2:57pm
Subject: Tranny pan install
Hey gang-
As you may remember from my last post, I recently bought a deep
tranny pan for the auto tranny on my TJ. Special thanks to James for
replying with the instructions for the install. However, as some of
you may know, I am not the most mechanically inclined member in the
group and this appears to be too daunting a task for me to undertake
myself. Would any of you more capable wrenchers be willing to help me
with this install? If not, do any of you know of a shop that would do
it for me without charging me an arm and a leg? TIA
Les R
31119 From: Kim Monson <MOMSBUMBLEBEE@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 3:00pm
Subject: Re: OT: Terrorism - You have to see this
chris, That was the most incredible thing i have seen yet!! Thank you for
sending that out. Keep the keenex handy on this one!!!! Thank you!! Kim
>From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
>To: Virtual Jeep Club <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] OT: Terrorism - You have to see this
>Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:19:47 -0700
>
>I found this posted on JU. This is a site you have to see. It will move
>you.
>
>http://www.totalescape.com/america/imagine.html
>
>It takes a little while to load so be patient.
>
>Chris
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31120 From: Nick <nnote@a...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 3:14pm
Subject: OT If war it is, declare it and fight it
The best article yet
http://www.arizonarepublic.com/opinions/articles/0913thur1-13.html
Attachment: (application/octet-stream) If war it is, declare it and fight it.url [not stored]
31121 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 3:15pm
Subject: RE: Car bombs?? What the hell
There are no over reactions now Joe. This the first salvo of a long battle.
We are VERY spoiled and naive, that luxury is gone forever.
I new this day would come, just not this soon.
This new reality is not an inconvenience but a trial of our faith, courage
and willingness to do a hard thing for future generations.
The bubble around our country has been popped and it can never be put back
except by unrelenting force and judicious use of power.
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: JW [mailto:joew@a...]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:07 PM
To: kmichael02@y...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
Wrong.
There is a suspicious car located in downtown Phoenix and the police haven't
determined whether or not there are any explosives in it.
Most likely, it is an overeaction.
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kmichael02@y... [mailto:kmichael02@y...]
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:51 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
>
>
> I just heard on the news about 2 car bombs in Phoenix.
>
> WTF is going on!!
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31122 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 3:27pm
Subject: Re: Car bombs?? What the hell
Ditto.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Brent Lizakowski" <brent_lizakowski@h...> wrote:
> OK,
>
> First off all, I'm sorry for replying to an off-topic post to the
> rest of the list...
>
> But, for those of us not sitting in front of a television at work
> (and over 100 miles from Phoenix) today... What exactly does "2 car
> bombs in Phoenix" mean?
>
> Did two car bombs explode in Phoenix? Did someone call in a threat
> that there may POSSIBLY be two car bombs in Phoenix? Did they find
2
> car bombs in Phoenix that didn't go off?
>
> When posting something like this, how about giving some details?
This
> is how rumors (and paranoia) get started.
>
> Brent
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., kmichael02@y... wrote:
> > I just heard on the news about 2 car bombs in Phoenix.
> >
> > WTF is going on!!
31123 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 11:43am
Subject: Re: OT AMERICAN FLAGS
Im waving mine proudly on my house and both Jeeps.
Sharky
31124 From: RICK BEER <RIKNAZ@M...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 3:50pm
Subject: Fw: FW: One of These Days.....(It's good)
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31125 From: lynch <lynch@v...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 3:54pm
Subject: Re: Re: Car bombs?? What the hell
There was a tip or some form of lead given to Phoenix PD that a red
car was going to explode downtown.. so they started checking all
red car's license plates, and found one which was stolen. After
the bomb squad broke into it, they found nothing.. it appears
to have been a big hoax.
-lynch
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 08:26:25PM -0000, Brent Lizakowski wrote:
> OK,
>
> First off all, I'm sorry for replying to an off-topic post to the
> rest of the list...
>
> But, for those of us not sitting in front of a television at work
> (and over 100 miles from Phoenix) today... What exactly does "2 car
> bombs in Phoenix" mean?
>
> Did two car bombs explode in Phoenix? Did someone call in a threat
> that there may POSSIBLY be two car bombs in Phoenix? Did they find 2
> car bombs in Phoenix that didn't go off?
>
> When posting something like this, how about giving some details? This
> is how rumors (and paranoia) get started.
>
> Brent
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., kmichael02@y... wrote:
> > I just heard on the news about 2 car bombs in Phoenix.
> >
> > WTF is going on!!
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31126 From: Brad Kilgore <brad.kilgore@d...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 4:18pm
Subject: OT: Need body work???
Hi all,
My niece was in an accident last night and wrecked the front end of her 95 Ford Escort. It was a slow speed collision, but the low front end of her car, met the high rear end of a Pathfinder, so the Pathfinders bumper buckled her hood, front grill, etc. Does anyone do body work or have any contacts who do?
Any help or information is much appreciated.
Thanks,
Brad
76 CJ5
31127 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 4:40pm
Subject: Re: Tranny pan install
Les,
Where do you live? I live in Chandler & I don't particullarly like
hot tanny fluid dripping on me.
I could probably help next Saturday AM, September 23. I have air
tools which will help for taking the old one off. You supply the rags
and drinks.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., paparoach@q... wrote:
> Hey gang-
> As you may remember from my last post, I recently bought a deep
> tranny pan for the auto tranny on my TJ. Special thanks to James
for
> replying with the instructions for the install. However, as some of
> you may know, I am not the most mechanically inclined member in the
> group and this appears to be too daunting a task for me to
undertake
> myself. Would any of you more capable wrenchers be willing to help
me
> with this install? If not, do any of you know of a shop that would
do
> it for me without charging me an arm and a leg? TIA
>
> Les R
31128 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 5:07pm
Subject: [FS] WANTED: Dana 44 front axle from late 70's Ford (preferably 3:73's but...)
Price: ???
Contact: Tuquik4you@aol.com
Caleb Brainard
31129 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 5:06pm
Subject: [FS] WANTED: Dana 44 front axle from late 70's Ford (preferably 3:73's but...)
Price:
Contact: Tuquik4you@aol.com
Caleb Brainard
31130 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 1:05pm
Subject: Re: Car bombs?? What the hell
Very well said...
Sharky
31131 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 5:10pm
Subject: Just when I thought the worst was over....
I was on my way to work this morning. Made a right turn onto McKellips.
Heard a really loud bang from the front end. Here's what happened.
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=46021&a=312483&f=0
I contacted RE about spring warranties. They weren't sure, but they are
sending new coils. The current coils have been on the Jeep since 9/97.
The old ZJ is not moving for a little bit!
Linda
31132 From: David Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 5:19pm
Subject: Impact tool for tie rod? does anyone have one I could borrow Saturday morning
sorry for the late notice.
David Withers
4802156992
can pay to rent also. have compressor
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31133 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 5:15pm
Subject: Just when I thought the worst was over....
I was on my way to work this morning. Made a right turn onto McKellips.
Heard a really loud bang from the front end. Here's what happened.
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=46021&a=13756804&f=0
I contacted RE about spring warranties. They weren't sure, but they are
sending new coils. The current coils have been on the Jeep since 9/97.
The old ZJ is not moving for a little bit!
Linda
31134 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 5:31pm
Subject: Re: SOA Help(Wrenching Party)!!
For all those wishing to attend, I am going to start around 9AM tomorrow and I live at 2825 N. Villas Lane in chandler off of dobson and elliot, if you get off the 101 and head east on elliot, dobson will be next, pass that and take your first turn on the right onto N. Villas LN. Follow that road till the end(short), turn left and follow the curve, I am the second to last house on the left. Any Q. call me @ 480 236-5090 (feel free to bring refreshments although I will buy most of it.)
Scott "Iron" Maiden
93 Green YJ (soon to be SOA)
01 GSX-R 750....o~`o
http://www.scottmaiden.gixxer.com
bermboy@hotmail.com
>From: Scott Bruns
>To: Scott Maiden
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] SOA Help(Wrenching Party)!!
>Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:50:00 -0600
>
>Hi Scott.
>
>What time are you planning for tomorrow? Where are you located, etc?
>
>Scott
>
> >>> "Scott Maiden" 9/12/01 2:11:03 PM >>>
>
>Ok, Chris called and said my springs are going to be here tomorrow, so I am still looking for somebody who has done an SOA to help, those who haven't are also welcome, anyway I was thinking SAT AM at around 8 or 9 what do you all think? TIA
>P.S. I still need u bolts, where is a good place to get them?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Scott "Iron" Maiden
>93 Green YJ (soon to be SOA)
>01 GSX-R 750....o~`o
>http://www.scottmaiden.gixxer.com
>bermboy@hotmail.com
> >From: "Scott Legge"
> >To: "Scott Maiden"
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] SOA Help
> >Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:13:24 -0700
> >
> >I am going to do an SOA on my scout and want to go and watch and learn. I will get dirty but I want to experience a hands on soa... I will pay admittance if needed but I cant afford much (poor lowly student budget.) I would also like to meet some people from the group. If its an open invitation I would like to attend:)
> >
> >Thanks,
> >(Yet another Scott)
> >Scott Legge
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Maiden
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 1:39 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] SOA Help
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well Guys,
> > If all goes to plan I will start my soa this weekend(if my springs come in) so I was just wondering if anyone that has done one would like to stop by and lend a hand (or two) I believe I have everything I need right now and have access to a welder etc. just shoot me an email if you want my address or you can just send me some tips, etc. TIA
> >
> > Scott "Iron" Maiden
> > 93 Green YJ (soon to be SOA)
> > bermboy@hotmail.com
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31135 From: Mike Foster <mesa@s...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 5:38pm
Subject: Re: OT: Terrorism - You have to see this
That was heartwrenching but to see those people cheering makes me
sick. May retaliation be swift.
m.foster
--- In az_vjc@y..., Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...> wrote:
> I found this posted on JU. This is a site you have to see. It will
move you.
>
> http://www.totalescape.com/america/imagine.html
>
> It takes a little while to load so be patient.
>
> Chris
31136 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 6:42pm
Subject: Re: Just when I thought the worst was over....
Wow! that is the first time I've ever seen a coil break.
Chris K
> From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
> Reply-To: minihummer@w...
> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:10:37 -0700
> To: az_vjc <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>, xj_az <arizonaXJ@egroups.com>, zj-list
> <zj-list@m...>, "Nixon, Scott" <scnix1@h...>, "graham, steve"
> <stevegraham@w...>
> Subject: [az_vjc] Just when I thought the worst was over....
>
> I was on my way to work this morning. Made a right turn onto McKellips.
> Heard a really loud bang from the front end. Here's what happened.
>
> http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=46021&a=312483&f=0
>
> I contacted RE about spring warranties. They weren't sure, but they are
> sending new coils. The current coils have been on the Jeep since 9/97.
>
> The old ZJ is not moving for a little bit!
>
> Linda
>
>
>
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31137 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 7:35pm
Subject: Off Topic RE: Car bombs?? What the hell
Ross... I must disagree...
There certainly ARE over reactions:
News agencies reporting bombs in trucks crossing the George Washington
Bridge... when in fact it was an empty truck.
News agencies reporting that three middle eastern men were arrested on a
plane yesterday... with knives and phony pilots licenses... when in fact no
one had a knife and the guy with the phony pilots license was caught on the
concourse.
People reporting car bombs in Phoenix when in fact there were none.
People believing that this is the beginning of WWIII.
These are all examples of over reaction... and I could come up with more if
you need me to.
Yes, we Americans (some of us anyway) are spoiled... some of us are naive...
and these traits (I believe you called them luxuries) are not going to
disappear anytime soon... much less forever.
Americans have learned that we are more vulnerable than we expected...
nothing more... nothing less.
We will attempt to change those things which we feel need to be changed
(airport security for instance). We will make a valiant effort to catch and
destroy the trash who murdered our citizens in New York... and then we will
move on to arguing about such important things as Bill Clinton's sex life
and the importance of guns to the preservation of freedom.
And life in America will go on... with small, not large, changes.
Only the naive have had their bubble burst; the rest of us expected
something like this.
The death of all these people is far from trivial... but life in America (as
we know it) isn't ending for us and the world around us is not going to
change substantially (in the long term).
The same people who are crying about this being the end of America as we
know it are the same people who purchased generators, stocked up on supplies
and water in preparation for January 1st, 2000. I don't hold it against
them because they don't know any better.
You see Ross... it won't take "unrelenting force and judicious use of power"
for America to get back to normal... all it will take is time.
Time.
Nothing more.
Nothing less.
Next year on this date, I have scheduled a reminder in my daytimer to remind
you of this conversation... to remind you of just how little things have
changed in America... and finally, to remind you how very short America's
memory is...
Short?
You see Ross... for all the indignation we Americans have over this
incident... for all the self-righteous anger and advocation of "unrelenting
force and judicious use of power" we Americans feel will be necessary for
justice to prevail...
We have forgotten something...
Something important...
We have forgotten that we killed a hundred times as many innocent civilians
than were killed in New York this Tuesday... with the well placed drop of a
nuclear bomb or two in Japan.
How soon we are to cry for justice... how quickly we invoke the name of God
for our causes... and sadly... how quickly that we are to forget that we
have caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians
ourselves.
There is no new reality Ross... no trial of faith or courage... no effect on
future American generations...
There is nothing but our extremely short memories... our ignorant cries
evoking the wrath of God upon the enemies who dare to treat us as we have
treated others...
You see Ross... as we have forgotten... we will soon forget.
It is my fervent hope that true justice be done in this case... that we find
the men who did this and punish them appropriately. It is also my hope that
the Americans who find it within themselves to hate others for what has
happened... those who wish for vengeance and death and destruction... those
who hate because of color of skin, race, or religion... spend a few moments
remembering.
I suspect however, that I hope for too much.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s...]
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:15 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
>
>
> There are no over reactions now Joe. This the first salvo of
> a long battle.
> We are VERY spoiled and naive, that luxury is gone forever.
> I new this day would come, just not this soon.
>
> This new reality is not an inconvenience but a trial of our
> faith, courage
> and willingness to do a hard thing for future generations.
> The bubble around our country has been popped and it can
> never be put back
> except by unrelenting force and judicious use of power.
>
> Ross
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JW [mailto:joew@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:07 PM
> To: kmichael02@y...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
>
>
> Wrong.
>
> There is a suspicious car located in downtown Phoenix and the
> police haven't
> determined whether or not there are any explosives in it.
>
> Most likely, it is an overeaction.
>
> Joe West
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kmichael02@y... [mailto:kmichael02@y...]
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:51 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> >
> >
> > I just heard on the news about 2 car bombs in Phoenix.
> >
> > WTF is going on!!
> >
> >
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31138 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 7:39pm
Subject: Re: Just when I thought the worst was over....
That's terrible, I have never seen that either. Maybe Joe can explain
that with the old Thermodynamics, on the other board :).
That looks like it broke all at once too. It must have made a hell of
a racket.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...> wrote:
> Wow! that is the first time I've ever seen a coil break.
>
> Chris K
>
> > From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
> > Reply-To: minihummer@w...
> > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:10:37 -0700
> > To: az_vjc <az_vjc@y...>, xj_az <arizonaXJ@egroups.com>, zj-list
> > <zj-list@m...>, "Nixon, Scott" <scnix1@h...>, "graham, steve"
> > <stevegraham@w...>
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Just when I thought the worst was over....
> >
> > I was on my way to work this morning. Made a right turn onto
McKellips.
> > Heard a really loud bang from the front end. Here's what happened.
> >
> > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=46021&a=312483&f=0
> >
> > I contacted RE about spring warranties. They weren't sure, but
they are
> > sending new coils. The current coils have been on the Jeep since
9/97.
> >
> > The old ZJ is not moving for a little bit!
> >
> > Linda
> >
> >
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31139 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:05pm
Subject: RE: Car bombs?? What the hell
Yeah well said... uh what was it again that they said???
Joey K
-----Original Message-----
From: sharxjeep@cs.com [mailto:sharxjeep@cs.com]
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 5:05 PM
To: rskinner@s2bsi.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
Very well said...
Sharky
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31140 From: <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:13pm
Subject: Re: Off Topic RE: Car bombs?? What the hell
Easy there, JW! You *almost* come across in that extremely long
posting as a condescending atheist. Remember, in this country we are
allowed to have our own personal opinions. Or is that something else
that you've forgotten?
This is just an observation. I agree with everything Ross said,
and I agree with you, as well. You see, Joe, it is so very easy for
one to feel torn the situation we are now faced with. Hurt, anger,
fear, numbness, shock, and so very many others. Everyone does,
however, feel exactly the SAME on one issue: we are American, and we
will survive. May God bless America.
Lachlan
In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> wrote:
> Ross... I must disagree...
>
>
> There certainly ARE over reactions:
>
> News agencies reporting bombs in trucks crossing the George
Washington
> Bridge... when in fact it was an empty truck.
>
> News agencies reporting that three middle eastern men were arrested
on a
> plane yesterday... with knives and phony pilots licenses... when in
fact no
> one had a knife and the guy with the phony pilots license was
caught on the
> concourse.
>
> People reporting car bombs in Phoenix when in fact there were none.
>
> People believing that this is the beginning of WWIII.
>
> These are all examples of over reaction... and I could come up with
more if
> you need me to.
>
> Yes, we Americans (some of us anyway) are spoiled... some of us are
naive...
> and these traits (I believe you called them luxuries) are not going
to
> disappear anytime soon... much less forever.
>
> Americans have learned that we are more vulnerable than we
expected...
> nothing more... nothing less.
>
> We will attempt to change those things which we feel need to be
changed
> (airport security for instance). We will make a valiant effort to
catch and
> destroy the trash who murdered our citizens in New York... and then
we will
> move on to arguing about such important things as Bill Clinton's
sex life
> and the importance of guns to the preservation of freedom.
>
> And life in America will go on... with small, not large, changes.
>
> Only the naive have had their bubble burst; the rest of us expected
> something like this.
>
> The death of all these people is far from trivial... but life in
America (as
> we know it) isn't ending for us and the world around us is not
going to
> change substantially (in the long term).
>
> The same people who are crying about this being the end of America
as we
> know it are the same people who purchased generators, stocked up on
supplies
> and water in preparation for January 1st, 2000. I don't hold it
against
> them because they don't know any better.
>
> You see Ross... it won't take "unrelenting force and judicious use
of power"
> for America to get back to normal... all it will take is time.
>
> Time.
>
> Nothing more.
>
> Nothing less.
>
> Next year on this date, I have scheduled a reminder in my daytimer
to remind
> you of this conversation... to remind you of just how little things
have
> changed in America... and finally, to remind you how very short
America's
> memory is...
>
> Short?
>
> You see Ross... for all the indignation we Americans have over this
> incident... for all the self-righteous anger and advocation
of "unrelenting
> force and judicious use of power" we Americans feel will be
necessary for
> justice to prevail...
>
> We have forgotten something...
>
> Something important...
>
> We have forgotten that we killed a hundred times as many innocent
civilians
> than were killed in New York this Tuesday... with the well placed
drop of a
> nuclear bomb or two in Japan.
>
> How soon we are to cry for justice... how quickly we invoke the
name of God
> for our causes... and sadly... how quickly that we are to forget
that we
> have caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent
civilians
> ourselves.
>
> There is no new reality Ross... no trial of faith or courage... no
effect on
> future American generations...
>
> There is nothing but our extremely short memories... our ignorant
cries
> evoking the wrath of God upon the enemies who dare to treat us as
we have
> treated others...
>
> You see Ross... as we have forgotten... we will soon forget.
>
> It is my fervent hope that true justice be done in this case...
that we find
> the men who did this and punish them appropriately. It is also my
hope that
> the Americans who find it within themselves to hate others for what
has
> happened... those who wish for vengeance and death and
destruction... those
> who hate because of color of skin, race, or religion... spend a few
moments
> remembering.
>
> I suspect however, that I hope for too much.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s...]
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:15 PM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> >
> >
> > There are no over reactions now Joe. This the first salvo of
> > a long battle.
> > We are VERY spoiled and naive, that luxury is gone forever.
> > I new this day would come, just not this soon.
> >
> > This new reality is not an inconvenience but a trial of our
> > faith, courage
> > and willingness to do a hard thing for future generations.
> > The bubble around our country has been popped and it can
> > never be put back
> > except by unrelenting force and judicious use of power.
> >
> > Ross
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: JW [mailto:joew@a...]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:07 PM
> > To: kmichael02@y...; az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> >
> >
> > Wrong.
> >
> > There is a suspicious car located in downtown Phoenix and the
> > police haven't
> > determined whether or not there are any explosives in it.
> >
> > Most likely, it is an overeaction.
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: kmichael02@y... [mailto:kmichael02@y...]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:51 AM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> > >
> > >
> > > I just heard on the news about 2 car bombs in Phoenix.
> > >
> > > WTF is going on!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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31141 From: <97tj@t...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:44pm
Subject: Re: Just when I thought the worst was over....
I had a front coil break on a 5.0 R/S Capri that I used to have. But
it broke with no incident. I didn't even know till it started
drooping.
Thane
97TJ
--- In az_vjc@y..., linda luik <minihummer@w...> wrote:
> I was on my way to work this morning. Made a right turn onto
McKellips.
> Heard a really loud bang from the front end. Here's what happened.
>
> http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=46021&a=312483&f=0
>
> I contacted RE about spring warranties. They weren't sure, but they
are
> sending new coils. The current coils have been on the Jeep since
9/97.
>
> The old ZJ is not moving for a little bit!
>
> Linda
31117 From: Kim Monson <MOMSBUMBLEBEE@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 2:53pm
Subject: Re: OT AMERICAN FLAGS
I agree! I went to Ace on Broadway, 2 different stores, who both had just
received a shipment, and they were gone. All of them. I got a few of the
3X5's but nothing bigger than that. It's sad though, I'm really not seeing
many of the police cars with any type of flag or symbol on them, or many
other cars for that matter. What's up with all that!!?????? COME ON
GUYS/GALS!!! LET'S GET IT DONE!!!! SHOW THEM ALL!!! SHOW THEM WHAT WE'VE
GOT AND WHAT WE'RE ALL ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHOW THEM THE USA IS
#1!!!!! INSIDE AND OUT!!!
>From: "Chris R." <my1stjeep@e...>
>Reply-To: <My1stJeep@e...>
>To: RICK BEER <RIKNAZ@M...>, JEEP <AZ_VJC@YAHOOGROUPS.COM>
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OT AMERICAN FLAGS
>Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:33:41 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I wish I knew where they were all going too. My drive is an hour long
>every
>morning, I see over a thousand vehicles every morning, past many
>subdivisions, yet I only counted 5 flags being flown on vehicles, 6 if you
>count mine and even less flying in front of homes. See the stories for all
>the flags sold, but sure don't see them displayed.
>
>Chris
>http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
>My1stJeep@e...
>'97 TJ
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>
> > I have stopped at several places to purchace some AMERICAN FLAGS to
>display on my house and on my cb antenna everyone is sold out everyone is
>getting their hands on them before i can so if anyone see's alot of the
>red white and blue let us know were they are so i can show my support
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31118 From: <paparoach@q...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 2:57pm
Subject: Tranny pan install
Hey gang-
As you may remember from my last post, I recently bought a deep
tranny pan for the auto tranny on my TJ. Special thanks to James for
replying with the instructions for the install. However, as some of
you may know, I am not the most mechanically inclined member in the
group and this appears to be too daunting a task for me to undertake
myself. Would any of you more capable wrenchers be willing to help me
with this install? If not, do any of you know of a shop that would do
it for me without charging me an arm and a leg? TIA
Les R
31119 From: Kim Monson <MOMSBUMBLEBEE@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 3:00pm
Subject: Re: OT: Terrorism - You have to see this
chris, That was the most incredible thing i have seen yet!! Thank you for
sending that out. Keep the keenex handy on this one!!!! Thank you!! Kim
>From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
>To: Virtual Jeep Club <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] OT: Terrorism - You have to see this
>Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 11:19:47 -0700
>
>I found this posted on JU. This is a site you have to see. It will move
>you.
>
>http://www.totalescape.com/america/imagine.html
>
>It takes a little while to load so be patient.
>
>Chris
>
>
>
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31120 From: Nick <nnote@a...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 3:14pm
Subject: OT If war it is, declare it and fight it
The best article yet
http://www.arizonarepublic.com/opinions/articles/0913thur1-13.html
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31121 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 3:15pm
Subject: RE: Car bombs?? What the hell
There are no over reactions now Joe. This the first salvo of a long battle.
We are VERY spoiled and naive, that luxury is gone forever.
I new this day would come, just not this soon.
This new reality is not an inconvenience but a trial of our faith, courage
and willingness to do a hard thing for future generations.
The bubble around our country has been popped and it can never be put back
except by unrelenting force and judicious use of power.
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: JW [mailto:joew@a...]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:07 PM
To: kmichael02@y...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
Wrong.
There is a suspicious car located in downtown Phoenix and the police haven't
determined whether or not there are any explosives in it.
Most likely, it is an overeaction.
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kmichael02@y... [mailto:kmichael02@y...]
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:51 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
>
>
> I just heard on the news about 2 car bombs in Phoenix.
>
> WTF is going on!!
>
>
>
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31122 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 3:27pm
Subject: Re: Car bombs?? What the hell
Ditto.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Brent Lizakowski" <brent_lizakowski@h...> wrote:
> OK,
>
> First off all, I'm sorry for replying to an off-topic post to the
> rest of the list...
>
> But, for those of us not sitting in front of a television at work
> (and over 100 miles from Phoenix) today... What exactly does "2 car
> bombs in Phoenix" mean?
>
> Did two car bombs explode in Phoenix? Did someone call in a threat
> that there may POSSIBLY be two car bombs in Phoenix? Did they find
2
> car bombs in Phoenix that didn't go off?
>
> When posting something like this, how about giving some details?
This
> is how rumors (and paranoia) get started.
>
> Brent
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., kmichael02@y... wrote:
> > I just heard on the news about 2 car bombs in Phoenix.
> >
> > WTF is going on!!
31123 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 11:43am
Subject: Re: OT AMERICAN FLAGS
Im waving mine proudly on my house and both Jeeps.
Sharky
31124 From: RICK BEER <RIKNAZ@M...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 3:50pm
Subject: Fw: FW: One of These Days.....(It's good)
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31125 From: lynch <lynch@v...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 3:54pm
Subject: Re: Re: Car bombs?? What the hell
There was a tip or some form of lead given to Phoenix PD that a red
car was going to explode downtown.. so they started checking all
red car's license plates, and found one which was stolen. After
the bomb squad broke into it, they found nothing.. it appears
to have been a big hoax.
-lynch
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 08:26:25PM -0000, Brent Lizakowski wrote:
> OK,
>
> First off all, I'm sorry for replying to an off-topic post to the
> rest of the list...
>
> But, for those of us not sitting in front of a television at work
> (and over 100 miles from Phoenix) today... What exactly does "2 car
> bombs in Phoenix" mean?
>
> Did two car bombs explode in Phoenix? Did someone call in a threat
> that there may POSSIBLY be two car bombs in Phoenix? Did they find 2
> car bombs in Phoenix that didn't go off?
>
> When posting something like this, how about giving some details? This
> is how rumors (and paranoia) get started.
>
> Brent
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., kmichael02@y... wrote:
> > I just heard on the news about 2 car bombs in Phoenix.
> >
> > WTF is going on!!
>
>
>
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31126 From: Brad Kilgore <brad.kilgore@d...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 4:18pm
Subject: OT: Need body work???
Hi all,
My niece was in an accident last night and wrecked the front end of her 95 Ford Escort. It was a slow speed collision, but the low front end of her car, met the high rear end of a Pathfinder, so the Pathfinders bumper buckled her hood, front grill, etc. Does anyone do body work or have any contacts who do?
Any help or information is much appreciated.
Thanks,
Brad
76 CJ5
31127 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 4:40pm
Subject: Re: Tranny pan install
Les,
Where do you live? I live in Chandler & I don't particullarly like
hot tanny fluid dripping on me.
I could probably help next Saturday AM, September 23. I have air
tools which will help for taking the old one off. You supply the rags
and drinks.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., paparoach@q... wrote:
> Hey gang-
> As you may remember from my last post, I recently bought a deep
> tranny pan for the auto tranny on my TJ. Special thanks to James
for
> replying with the instructions for the install. However, as some of
> you may know, I am not the most mechanically inclined member in the
> group and this appears to be too daunting a task for me to
undertake
> myself. Would any of you more capable wrenchers be willing to help
me
> with this install? If not, do any of you know of a shop that would
do
> it for me without charging me an arm and a leg? TIA
>
> Les R
31128 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 5:07pm
Subject: [FS] WANTED: Dana 44 front axle from late 70's Ford (preferably 3:73's but...)
Price: ???
Contact: Tuquik4you@aol.com
Caleb Brainard
31129 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 5:06pm
Subject: [FS] WANTED: Dana 44 front axle from late 70's Ford (preferably 3:73's but...)
Price:
Contact: Tuquik4you@aol.com
Caleb Brainard
31130 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 1:05pm
Subject: Re: Car bombs?? What the hell
Very well said...
Sharky
31131 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 5:10pm
Subject: Just when I thought the worst was over....
I was on my way to work this morning. Made a right turn onto McKellips.
Heard a really loud bang from the front end. Here's what happened.
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=46021&a=312483&f=0
I contacted RE about spring warranties. They weren't sure, but they are
sending new coils. The current coils have been on the Jeep since 9/97.
The old ZJ is not moving for a little bit!
Linda
31132 From: David Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 5:19pm
Subject: Impact tool for tie rod? does anyone have one I could borrow Saturday morning
sorry for the late notice.
David Withers
4802156992
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31133 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 5:15pm
Subject: Just when I thought the worst was over....
I was on my way to work this morning. Made a right turn onto McKellips.
Heard a really loud bang from the front end. Here's what happened.
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=46021&a=13756804&f=0
I contacted RE about spring warranties. They weren't sure, but they are
sending new coils. The current coils have been on the Jeep since 9/97.
The old ZJ is not moving for a little bit!
Linda
31134 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 5:31pm
Subject: Re: SOA Help(Wrenching Party)!!
For all those wishing to attend, I am going to start around 9AM tomorrow and I live at 2825 N. Villas Lane in chandler off of dobson and elliot, if you get off the 101 and head east on elliot, dobson will be next, pass that and take your first turn on the right onto N. Villas LN. Follow that road till the end(short), turn left and follow the curve, I am the second to last house on the left. Any Q. call me @ 480 236-5090 (feel free to bring refreshments although I will buy most of it.)
Scott "Iron" Maiden
93 Green YJ (soon to be SOA)
01 GSX-R 750....o~`o
http://www.scottmaiden.gixxer.com
bermboy@hotmail.com
>From: Scott Bruns
>To: Scott Maiden
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] SOA Help(Wrenching Party)!!
>Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:50:00 -0600
>
>Hi Scott.
>
>What time are you planning for tomorrow? Where are you located, etc?
>
>Scott
>
> >>> "Scott Maiden" 9/12/01 2:11:03 PM >>>
>
>Ok, Chris called and said my springs are going to be here tomorrow, so I am still looking for somebody who has done an SOA to help, those who haven't are also welcome, anyway I was thinking SAT AM at around 8 or 9 what do you all think? TIA
>P.S. I still need u bolts, where is a good place to get them?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Scott "Iron" Maiden
>93 Green YJ (soon to be SOA)
>01 GSX-R 750....o~`o
>http://www.scottmaiden.gixxer.com
>bermboy@hotmail.com
> >From: "Scott Legge"
> >To: "Scott Maiden"
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] SOA Help
> >Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:13:24 -0700
> >
> >I am going to do an SOA on my scout and want to go and watch and learn. I will get dirty but I want to experience a hands on soa... I will pay admittance if needed but I cant afford much (poor lowly student budget.) I would also like to meet some people from the group. If its an open invitation I would like to attend:)
> >
> >Thanks,
> >(Yet another Scott)
> >Scott Legge
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Maiden
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 1:39 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] SOA Help
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well Guys,
> > If all goes to plan I will start my soa this weekend(if my springs come in) so I was just wondering if anyone that has done one would like to stop by and lend a hand (or two) I believe I have everything I need right now and have access to a welder etc. just shoot me an email if you want my address or you can just send me some tips, etc. TIA
> >
> > Scott "Iron" Maiden
> > 93 Green YJ (soon to be SOA)
> > bermboy@hotmail.com
> >
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31135 From: Mike Foster <mesa@s...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 5:38pm
Subject: Re: OT: Terrorism - You have to see this
That was heartwrenching but to see those people cheering makes me
sick. May retaliation be swift.
m.foster
--- In az_vjc@y..., Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...> wrote:
> I found this posted on JU. This is a site you have to see. It will
move you.
>
> http://www.totalescape.com/america/imagine.html
>
> It takes a little while to load so be patient.
>
> Chris
31136 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 6:42pm
Subject: Re: Just when I thought the worst was over....
Wow! that is the first time I've ever seen a coil break.
Chris K
> From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
> Reply-To: minihummer@w...
> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:10:37 -0700
> To: az_vjc <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>, xj_az <arizonaXJ@egroups.com>, zj-list
> <zj-list@m...>, "Nixon, Scott" <scnix1@h...>, "graham, steve"
> <stevegraham@w...>
> Subject: [az_vjc] Just when I thought the worst was over....
>
> I was on my way to work this morning. Made a right turn onto McKellips.
> Heard a really loud bang from the front end. Here's what happened.
>
> http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=46021&a=312483&f=0
>
> I contacted RE about spring warranties. They weren't sure, but they are
> sending new coils. The current coils have been on the Jeep since 9/97.
>
> The old ZJ is not moving for a little bit!
>
> Linda
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
31137 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 7:35pm
Subject: Off Topic RE: Car bombs?? What the hell
Ross... I must disagree...
There certainly ARE over reactions:
News agencies reporting bombs in trucks crossing the George Washington
Bridge... when in fact it was an empty truck.
News agencies reporting that three middle eastern men were arrested on a
plane yesterday... with knives and phony pilots licenses... when in fact no
one had a knife and the guy with the phony pilots license was caught on the
concourse.
People reporting car bombs in Phoenix when in fact there were none.
People believing that this is the beginning of WWIII.
These are all examples of over reaction... and I could come up with more if
you need me to.
Yes, we Americans (some of us anyway) are spoiled... some of us are naive...
and these traits (I believe you called them luxuries) are not going to
disappear anytime soon... much less forever.
Americans have learned that we are more vulnerable than we expected...
nothing more... nothing less.
We will attempt to change those things which we feel need to be changed
(airport security for instance). We will make a valiant effort to catch and
destroy the trash who murdered our citizens in New York... and then we will
move on to arguing about such important things as Bill Clinton's sex life
and the importance of guns to the preservation of freedom.
And life in America will go on... with small, not large, changes.
Only the naive have had their bubble burst; the rest of us expected
something like this.
The death of all these people is far from trivial... but life in America (as
we know it) isn't ending for us and the world around us is not going to
change substantially (in the long term).
The same people who are crying about this being the end of America as we
know it are the same people who purchased generators, stocked up on supplies
and water in preparation for January 1st, 2000. I don't hold it against
them because they don't know any better.
You see Ross... it won't take "unrelenting force and judicious use of power"
for America to get back to normal... all it will take is time.
Time.
Nothing more.
Nothing less.
Next year on this date, I have scheduled a reminder in my daytimer to remind
you of this conversation... to remind you of just how little things have
changed in America... and finally, to remind you how very short America's
memory is...
Short?
You see Ross... for all the indignation we Americans have over this
incident... for all the self-righteous anger and advocation of "unrelenting
force and judicious use of power" we Americans feel will be necessary for
justice to prevail...
We have forgotten something...
Something important...
We have forgotten that we killed a hundred times as many innocent civilians
than were killed in New York this Tuesday... with the well placed drop of a
nuclear bomb or two in Japan.
How soon we are to cry for justice... how quickly we invoke the name of God
for our causes... and sadly... how quickly that we are to forget that we
have caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians
ourselves.
There is no new reality Ross... no trial of faith or courage... no effect on
future American generations...
There is nothing but our extremely short memories... our ignorant cries
evoking the wrath of God upon the enemies who dare to treat us as we have
treated others...
You see Ross... as we have forgotten... we will soon forget.
It is my fervent hope that true justice be done in this case... that we find
the men who did this and punish them appropriately. It is also my hope that
the Americans who find it within themselves to hate others for what has
happened... those who wish for vengeance and death and destruction... those
who hate because of color of skin, race, or religion... spend a few moments
remembering.
I suspect however, that I hope for too much.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s...]
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:15 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
>
>
> There are no over reactions now Joe. This the first salvo of
> a long battle.
> We are VERY spoiled and naive, that luxury is gone forever.
> I new this day would come, just not this soon.
>
> This new reality is not an inconvenience but a trial of our
> faith, courage
> and willingness to do a hard thing for future generations.
> The bubble around our country has been popped and it can
> never be put back
> except by unrelenting force and judicious use of power.
>
> Ross
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JW [mailto:joew@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:07 PM
> To: kmichael02@y...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
>
>
> Wrong.
>
> There is a suspicious car located in downtown Phoenix and the
> police haven't
> determined whether or not there are any explosives in it.
>
> Most likely, it is an overeaction.
>
> Joe West
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kmichael02@y... [mailto:kmichael02@y...]
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:51 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> >
> >
> > I just heard on the news about 2 car bombs in Phoenix.
> >
> > WTF is going on!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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31138 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 7:39pm
Subject: Re: Just when I thought the worst was over....
That's terrible, I have never seen that either. Maybe Joe can explain
that with the old Thermodynamics, on the other board :).
That looks like it broke all at once too. It must have made a hell of
a racket.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...> wrote:
> Wow! that is the first time I've ever seen a coil break.
>
> Chris K
>
> > From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
> > Reply-To: minihummer@w...
> > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 17:10:37 -0700
> > To: az_vjc <az_vjc@y...>, xj_az <arizonaXJ@egroups.com>, zj-list
> > <zj-list@m...>, "Nixon, Scott" <scnix1@h...>, "graham, steve"
> > <stevegraham@w...>
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Just when I thought the worst was over....
> >
> > I was on my way to work this morning. Made a right turn onto
McKellips.
> > Heard a really loud bang from the front end. Here's what happened.
> >
> > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=46021&a=312483&f=0
> >
> > I contacted RE about spring warranties. They weren't sure, but
they are
> > sending new coils. The current coils have been on the Jeep since
9/97.
> >
> > The old ZJ is not moving for a little bit!
> >
> > Linda
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
31139 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:05pm
Subject: RE: Car bombs?? What the hell
Yeah well said... uh what was it again that they said???
Joey K
-----Original Message-----
From: sharxjeep@cs.com [mailto:sharxjeep@cs.com]
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 5:05 PM
To: rskinner@s2bsi.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
Very well said...
Sharky
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
31140 From: <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:13pm
Subject: Re: Off Topic RE: Car bombs?? What the hell
Easy there, JW! You *almost* come across in that extremely long
posting as a condescending atheist. Remember, in this country we are
allowed to have our own personal opinions. Or is that something else
that you've forgotten?
This is just an observation. I agree with everything Ross said,
and I agree with you, as well. You see, Joe, it is so very easy for
one to feel torn the situation we are now faced with. Hurt, anger,
fear, numbness, shock, and so very many others. Everyone does,
however, feel exactly the SAME on one issue: we are American, and we
will survive. May God bless America.
Lachlan
In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> wrote:
> Ross... I must disagree...
>
>
> There certainly ARE over reactions:
>
> News agencies reporting bombs in trucks crossing the George
Washington
> Bridge... when in fact it was an empty truck.
>
> News agencies reporting that three middle eastern men were arrested
on a
> plane yesterday... with knives and phony pilots licenses... when in
fact no
> one had a knife and the guy with the phony pilots license was
caught on the
> concourse.
>
> People reporting car bombs in Phoenix when in fact there were none.
>
> People believing that this is the beginning of WWIII.
>
> These are all examples of over reaction... and I could come up with
more if
> you need me to.
>
> Yes, we Americans (some of us anyway) are spoiled... some of us are
naive...
> and these traits (I believe you called them luxuries) are not going
to
> disappear anytime soon... much less forever.
>
> Americans have learned that we are more vulnerable than we
expected...
> nothing more... nothing less.
>
> We will attempt to change those things which we feel need to be
changed
> (airport security for instance). We will make a valiant effort to
catch and
> destroy the trash who murdered our citizens in New York... and then
we will
> move on to arguing about such important things as Bill Clinton's
sex life
> and the importance of guns to the preservation of freedom.
>
> And life in America will go on... with small, not large, changes.
>
> Only the naive have had their bubble burst; the rest of us expected
> something like this.
>
> The death of all these people is far from trivial... but life in
America (as
> we know it) isn't ending for us and the world around us is not
going to
> change substantially (in the long term).
>
> The same people who are crying about this being the end of America
as we
> know it are the same people who purchased generators, stocked up on
supplies
> and water in preparation for January 1st, 2000. I don't hold it
against
> them because they don't know any better.
>
> You see Ross... it won't take "unrelenting force and judicious use
of power"
> for America to get back to normal... all it will take is time.
>
> Time.
>
> Nothing more.
>
> Nothing less.
>
> Next year on this date, I have scheduled a reminder in my daytimer
to remind
> you of this conversation... to remind you of just how little things
have
> changed in America... and finally, to remind you how very short
America's
> memory is...
>
> Short?
>
> You see Ross... for all the indignation we Americans have over this
> incident... for all the self-righteous anger and advocation
of "unrelenting
> force and judicious use of power" we Americans feel will be
necessary for
> justice to prevail...
>
> We have forgotten something...
>
> Something important...
>
> We have forgotten that we killed a hundred times as many innocent
civilians
> than were killed in New York this Tuesday... with the well placed
drop of a
> nuclear bomb or two in Japan.
>
> How soon we are to cry for justice... how quickly we invoke the
name of God
> for our causes... and sadly... how quickly that we are to forget
that we
> have caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent
civilians
> ourselves.
>
> There is no new reality Ross... no trial of faith or courage... no
effect on
> future American generations...
>
> There is nothing but our extremely short memories... our ignorant
cries
> evoking the wrath of God upon the enemies who dare to treat us as
we have
> treated others...
>
> You see Ross... as we have forgotten... we will soon forget.
>
> It is my fervent hope that true justice be done in this case...
that we find
> the men who did this and punish them appropriately. It is also my
hope that
> the Americans who find it within themselves to hate others for what
has
> happened... those who wish for vengeance and death and
destruction... those
> who hate because of color of skin, race, or religion... spend a few
moments
> remembering.
>
> I suspect however, that I hope for too much.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s...]
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:15 PM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> >
> >
> > There are no over reactions now Joe. This the first salvo of
> > a long battle.
> > We are VERY spoiled and naive, that luxury is gone forever.
> > I new this day would come, just not this soon.
> >
> > This new reality is not an inconvenience but a trial of our
> > faith, courage
> > and willingness to do a hard thing for future generations.
> > The bubble around our country has been popped and it can
> > never be put back
> > except by unrelenting force and judicious use of power.
> >
> > Ross
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: JW [mailto:joew@a...]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:07 PM
> > To: kmichael02@y...; az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> >
> >
> > Wrong.
> >
> > There is a suspicious car located in downtown Phoenix and the
> > police haven't
> > determined whether or not there are any explosives in it.
> >
> > Most likely, it is an overeaction.
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: kmichael02@y... [mailto:kmichael02@y...]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:51 AM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Car bombs?? What the hell
> > >
> > >
> > > I just heard on the news about 2 car bombs in Phoenix.
> > >
> > > WTF is going on!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
31141 From: <97tj@t...>
Date: Fri Sep 14, 2001 8:44pm
Subject: Re: Just when I thought the worst was over....
I had a front coil break on a 5.0 R/S Capri that I used to have. But
it broke with no incident. I didn't even know till it started
drooping.
Thane
97TJ
--- In az_vjc@y..., linda luik <minihummer@w...> wrote:
> I was on my way to work this morning. Made a right turn onto
McKellips.
> Heard a really loud bang from the front end. Here's what happened.
>
> http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=46021&a=312483&f=0
>
> I contacted RE about spring warranties. They weren't sure, but they
are
> sending new coils. The current coils have been on the Jeep since
9/97.
>
> The old ZJ is not moving for a little bit!
>
> Linda