blooddrive
01-03-2004, 08:11 PM
30917-30941
30917 From: AzVJC Website <twistedxj@h...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 8:00pm
Subject: [FS] longacre raceing scales
Price: 1000
Contact: twistedxj@hotmail.com
a set of lonacre racing scales with leveling plates.
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30918 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 6:53pm
Subject: RE: Daddy Splay Legs... was: RE: [FS] Wanted: Looking for a 14' round trampoline for my kid.
Joe,
WTF?????????????????????????????????????????????
splay (spl)
adj.
Spread or turned out.
Clumsy or clumsily formed; awkward.
n. Architecture
An oblique angle or bevel given to the sides of an opening in a wall so that the opening is wider on one side of the wall than on the other.
v. splayed, splay·ing, splays
v. tr.
To spread (the limbs, for example) out or apart, especially clumsily.
To make slanting or sloping; bevel.
To dislocate (a bone). Used of an animal.
v. intr.
To be spread out or apart.
To slant or slope.
-----Original Message-----
From: JW [mailto:joew@avanticorp.com]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 5:07 AM
To: 'DesertJeep'; 'Az_Vjc'; osmtj@yahoo.com
Subject: Daddy Splay Legs... was: RE: [az_vjc] [FS] Wanted: Looking for a 14' round trampoline for my kid.
After this weekend, Scott's rig's new nickname is:
"Daddy splay legs"
hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 4:58 PM
To: 'Az_Vjc'; osmtj@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [FS] Wanted: Looking for a 14' round trampoline for my kid.
Hey... That is what Scott needed when his Track Bar tacoed! His new flat fender mod would have been safe if he could have just bounced right back up that waterfall on Cheap Trick. :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:50 PM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] Wanted: Looking for a 14' round trampoline for my kid.
Price: ?
Contact: blainedepue@yahoo.com
Anyone have a trampoline sitting in the back yard not being used???? I might be interested in it!
Thanks,
Blaine
Blaine DePue
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30919 From: AzVJC Website <twistedxj@h...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 8:03pm
Subject: [FS] ford superduty running boards
Price: make me an offer
Contact: twistedxj@hotmail.com
a set of running boards off of my superduty.great shape.
30920 From: <JNB4PLS@a...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 8:01pm
Subject: Need Knuckles for TJ
I am in need of the knuckles for the Dana 30 in my 2000 TJ. No ABS.
I have found them at 4x4 salvage on Broadway in Phoenix for $75.00
each.
Are there any other salvage yards that I might check with that would
possibly have these? Anyone out there got any that they would part
with?
Thanks in advance for the help.
Regards,
John Butler
30921 From: AzVJC Website <twistedxj@h...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 8:02pm
Subject: [FS] braco race car trailer
Price: 4000
Contact: twistedxj@hotmail.com
a it is a 28 foot braco race car trailer,will work great for a jeep with only minor adj.email me if you have any questions.
30922 From: <JNB4PLS@a...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 8:05pm
Subject: Member sighting on 60
I passed you without waving, I was cruising enjoying the music. It's
not often that you can cruise on US60 at 6:15pm. You were in the
Reddish TJ, no doors, black wheels I beleive. Nice rig. I was in the
red TJ, Black safari top and duster with the loud stereo, no AZVJC
stickers.
Here's your wave.
John Butler
30923 From: AzVJC Website <twistedxj@h...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 7:58pm
Subject: [FS] jeep williys grill
Price: make em an offer
Contact: twistedxj@hotmail.com
it is a grill off of a 45 willies.
30924 From: <FLEXYXJ@a...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 4:15pm
Subject: Re: Alumi-Flex Tie Rod?
See how you are STU??? I get all of that stuff nice and pretty and STRAIGHT
then you gotta go "off-roadin" and just screw it all up....hmmm you jeep guys
can be weird....LOL!!!!! Hope you got it all straightend out stu......:)
FlexyXJ
30925 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 8:41pm
Subject: Re: need information
If you need an adapter, I recommend these people:
Novak Conversions
www.novak-adapt.com
info@n...
877.602.1500 or 435.753.2513
fax:435.787.0452
It's kind of hard to tell if you are looking for info or sources from your
email.
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: <tazjc500@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 7:01 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] need information
> Hi guys,
> I have a 84 CJ7, 258, T5, and i believe everything is stock. Just
> rewire with a painless wiring kit. Will be putting in a 2.5"
> superlift suspenision kits. Does anybody out there have any
> information for a engine swap, e.g. where to find a reliable one, and
> which is a better model or company to go with. Or any information
> that could proivde any help would be appreicated.
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
30926 From: AzVJC Website <ebnhils@e...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 8:55pm
Subject: [FS] LOCKER
Price: $200.00
Contact: ebnhils@earthlink.net
Detroit EZ-Locker for rear Dana 35 new in box
Eben Hobson
30927 From: AzVJC Website <azxjman@h...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 8:12pm
Subject: [FS] Wanted xj roof rack with cutter mounts
Price:
Contact: Peter
Peter (Moose) Zuleger
30928 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 8:59pm
Subject: [FS] FOR SALE Tie Rod for a T.J. Brand new
Price: $40.00
Contact: EvilWarlock@aaahawk.com **Real name is Kevin**LoL
This is a brand new tie rod arm from the dealership. Was only on vehicle for 1 week, upgraded to a steel rock tie rod. No longer need factory rod, still has sticker on rod.
Kevin Kilroy
30929 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 9:24pm
Subject: RE: Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
Fred,
I have ARB air lockers front and rear... they aren't bothered one bit by hub
fuses <grin>.... but of course, they are REAL lockers and not those cheapy
"automatic" lockers like the Detroit. I like to shift using a manual
transmission and I like to shift my lockers on and off... nothing automatic
about my Jeep... manual everything. <grin>.
Now... I can't wait to hear the whining from all the Detroit locker guys and
gals out there... come on... you know you want to make some comment about me
needing a compressor and airlines that leak and seals that leak and the
like... do it... just make your comment.. come on... I dare you....
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
ARBs and OX Lockers RULE and ANY sissy "Automatic" locker SUCKS!!! (as do
SISSY automatic transmissions like the ARCA people use... sissys all of
them... nothing like us real MANLY men who use MANUAL transmissions and
MANUAL lockers)
Joe West
Causing trouble
Trying to get a rise out of Daddy Splay Legs
or anyone...
<grin>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fmw@q... [mailto:fmw@q...]
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 7:27 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
>
>
> Joe, are you locked in the front. I understand that the fuses are not
> recommended for Detroits in the front as they can trash the
> Detriot. In the
> last issue of JP they reported of a LocRite in the front that
> was trashed
> when both front fuses let go. Just wondering.
>
> Thanks,
> Fred
>
>
> At 07:01 AM 09/10/2001 -0700, arizonajeep@h... wrote:
> >My left hub fuse must have blown at the same time my left
> ujoint failed.
> >The right fuse blew with one cap on my right ujoint already
> turned about 20
> >degrees and lifted.
> >My wheels were turned almost to the lock so I am impressed
> that the fuses
> >worked as well as they did. It is fairly clear that the
> fuses will *almost*
> >protect your ujoints even with the tires at full lock (one
> fuse did and one
> >didn't). There is no doubt that the fuses will blow first
> with the wheels
> >straight ahead or even turned. In short, 5 minutes to
> replace a hub fuse vs
> >45 minutes for an axle... I'll take the fuse any day.
> >
> >The good news is that both fuses failed before any damage
> was done to my
> >axles. Even the right hub fuse blew in time to prevent
> damage to my axle
> >yokes... and the left ujoint didn't fail because the fuse
> blew but it was
> >damn close to failing.
> >
> >I wish I had some pictures to show, but I forgot my camera
> and Scott's
> >camera battery was dead. My jeep was pointed so close to 90 degrees
> >straight down that Sharky had to dig out sand and gravel to
> get to my winch!
> >
> >I have a spare set of axles I'll be putting in tonight and I'll be
> >rebuilding the set currently in my Jeep. I am going to be
> tack welding the
> >caps in after I rebuild the axles... and the next time I
> rebuild them I'll
> >just use my dremel to remove the tack welds. The next time
> I have a u-joint
> >fail it will not be because the caps turned and came out...
> it will be
> >because I twisted the entire ujoint in half or twisted my
> axle splines
> ><grin>.
> >
> >Scott did a pretty good job in his short writeup. It was amazing how
> >difficult it was to descend that waterfall... perhaps with
> 38+ inch tires it
> >would be easier. Sharky came out with the least damage (4
> cylinder and D35C
> ><grin>) and I believe that Scott's problem was caused by a
> defective front
> >track bar (look at the picture of how it was bent... did RE
> forget to use
> >chrome-moly?).
> >
> >I guess this was a pretty long answer to a short question...
> but to answer
> >your question Nick; I won't be driving without the fuses..
> they worked
> >better than I expected under the absolute worst conditions possible
> >(completely turned to the lock front tires).
> >
> >
> >Joe West
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nick [mailto:nnote@a...]
> > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 10:45 PM
> > To: AZVJC
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
> >
> >
> > So what do you think of the hub fuses Joe?
> > Nick
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Kruize
> > To: AZVJC
> > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 6:48 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
> >
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > What a great run. We had Sharky and his wife Stacy, Joe West with
> >bride-to-be Joyce, and myself with Jake Wagner (aka Bobberman) riding
> >shotgun. The trail turned out to be a class 4.5 going up and
> 5 coming down.
> >Everybody came out with damage coming down, but none going
> up.There is a
> >fence on the top of this one and a road crosses the wash
> just past the
> >fence. There is a gate going up in the near future.
> Unfortunately not soon
> >enough...<Grin>
> >
> > Joe West tweaked his roof rack, the step on his left
> side flat fender
> >got some mild damage, he blew a ujoint on one side, and a
> hub fuse on the
> >other.
> >
> > Sharky damaged his rear tailgate. It got pretty tweaked.
> >
> > I damaged the passenger flat fender today. Now I need to
> rework them.
> >Not even 12 hours old I managed to damage one :( I damaged
> the fender when
> >the RE Extreme Duty track bar taco'd sending my fender into the rock.
> >
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> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>My
> >left hub fuse must have blown at the same time my left
> ujoint failed.
> The
> >right fuse blew with one cap on my right ujoint already
> turned about 20
> degrees
> >and lifted.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>My
> >wheels were turned almost to the lock so I am impressed that
> the fuses
> worked as
> >well as they did. It is fairly clear that the fuses
> will *almost*
> protect
> >your ujoints even with the tires at full lock (one fuse did and one
> >didn't). There is no doubt that the fuses will blow
> first with the
> wheels
> >straight ahead or even turned. In short, 5 minutes to
> replace a hub fuse
> >vs 45 minutes for an axle... I'll take the fuse any
> day.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>The
> >good news is that both fuses failed before any damage was done to my
> >axles. Even the right hub fuse blew in time to prevent
> damage to my axle
> >yokes... and the left ujoint didn't fail because the fuse
> blew but it was damn
> >close to failing. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>I
> wish
> >I had some pictures to show, but I forgot my camera and
> Scott's camera battery
> >was dead. My jeep was pointed so close to 90 degrees
> straight down that
> >Sharky had to dig out sand and gravel to get to my winch!
> ></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>I
> have
> >a spare set of axles I'll be putting in tonight and I'll be
> rebuilding the set
> >currently in my Jeep. I am going to be tack welding
> the caps in after I
> >rebuild the axles... and the next time I rebuild them I'll
> just use my
> dremel to
> >remove the tack welds. The next time I have a u-joint
> fail it will
> not be
> >because the caps turned and came out... it will be because I
> twisted the
> entire
> >ujoint in half or twisted my axle splines
> <grin>.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> size=2>Scott
> >did a pretty good job in his short writeup. It was
> amazing how difficult
> >it was to descend that waterfall... perhaps with 38+ inch
> tires it would be
> >easier. Sharky came out with the least damage (4
> cylinder and D35C
> ><grin>) and I believe that Scott's problem was caused
> by a defective
> front
> >track bar (look at the picture of how it was bent...
> did RE forget to use
> >chrome-moly?). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>I
> >guess this was a pretty long answer to a short question...
> but to answer your
> >question Nick; I won't be driving without the fuses.. they
> worked better
> than I
> >expected under the absolute worst conditions possible
> (completely turned to
> the
> >lock front tires).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>Joe
> >West</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><BLOCKQUOTE
> >style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
> #0000ff 2px solid">
> > <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
> face=Tahoma
> > size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Nick
> > [mailto:nnote@a...]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday,
> September 09, 2001 10:45
> > PM<BR><B>To:</B> AZVJC<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [az_vjc]
> Trip report: Cheap
> > Trick...carnage for all<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So what do you think of the hub fuses
> > Joe?</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nick</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <BLOCKQUOTE
> > style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
> BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> > <DIV
> > style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
> black"><B>From:</B>
> > <A title=scottkruize@e...
> > href="mailto:scottkruize@e...">Scott Kruize</A> </DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
> title=az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > href="mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com">AZVJC</A> </DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday,
> September 09, 2001 6:48
> > PM</DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [az_vjc]
> Trip report: Cheap
> > Trick...carnage for all</DIV>
> > <DIV><BR></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
> > class=410375900-10092001>Hello!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
> class=410375900-10092001>What a
> > great run. We had Sharky and his wife Stacy, Joe West
> with bride-to-be
> > Joyce, and myself with Jake Wagner (aka Bobberman) riding
> shotgun. The
> > trail turned out to be a </SPAN>class 4.5 going up
> and 5 coming down.
> > Everybody came out with damage coming down, but none
> going up.There is a
> > fence on the top of this one and a road crosses the wash
> just past the
> > fence. There is a gate going <SPAN
> class=410375900-10092001>up</SPAN>
> > in the <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>near </SPAN>future.
> Unfortunately
> > not soon enough...<Grin></FONT></FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Joe West tweaked his <SPAN
> > class=410375900-10092001>roof </SPAN>rack, the step on
> his left side flat
> > fender<SPAN class=410375900-10092001> got some mild
> > damage</SPAN>, <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>he
> </SPAN>blew a ujoint
> > on one side, and a hub fuse on the other. </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sharky damaged his rear
> tailgate. It got
> pretty
> > tweaked. </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
> class=410375900-10092001>I
> > </SPAN>damaged the passenger flat fender<SPAN
> class=410375900-10092001>
> > today</SPAN>. Now I need to rework them. Not even 12 hours old I
> managed to
> > damage one :( <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>I
> </SPAN>damaged the
> > fender when the RE Extreme Duty track bar taco'd sending
> my fender into
> the
> > rock. </FONT></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><TT>Your use of Yahoo!
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30930 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 9:33pm
Subject: RE: Daddy Splay Legs... was: RE: [FS] Wanted: Looking for a 14' round trampoline for my kid.
Scott,
Don't you get it? Clumsy... spread or turned out (like your front tires)... clumsy as in unable to steer... body and wheels going helter skelter this way and that... it's a perfect name for you this weekend... awkward as in all those bushes you ran over as I towed you... get it???????????
(by the way... I didn't laugh even once as I watched you drive over all those endangered bushes as I was towing you around all those left hand turns)
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 6:53 PM
To: joew@avanticorp.com; 'DesertJeep'; 'Az_Vjc'; osmtj@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Daddy Splay Legs... was: RE: [az_vjc] [FS] Wanted: Looking for a 14' round trampoline for my kid.
Joe,
WTF?????????????????????????????????????????????
splay (spl)
adj.
Spread or turned out.
Clumsy or clumsily formed; awkward.
n. Architecture
An oblique angle or bevel given to the sides of an opening in a wall so that the opening is wider on one side of the wall than on the other.
v. splayed, splay·ing, splays
v. tr.
To spread (the limbs, for example) out or apart, especially clumsily.
To make slanting or sloping; bevel.
To dislocate (a bone). Used of an animal.
v. intr.
To be spread out or apart.
To slant or slope.
-----Original Message-----
From: JW [mailto:joew@avanticorp.com]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 5:07 AM
To: 'DesertJeep'; 'Az_Vjc'; osmtj@yahoo.com
Subject: Daddy Splay Legs... was: RE: [az_vjc] [FS] Wanted: Looking for a 14' round trampoline for my kid.
After this weekend, Scott's rig's new nickname is:
"Daddy splay legs"
hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 4:58 PM
To: 'Az_Vjc'; osmtj@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [FS] Wanted: Looking for a 14' round trampoline for my kid.
Hey... That is what Scott needed when his Track Bar tacoed! His new flat fender mod would have been safe if he could have just bounced right back up that waterfall on Cheap Trick. :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:50 PM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] Wanted: Looking for a 14' round trampoline for my kid.
Price: ?
Contact: blainedepue@yahoo.com
Anyone have a trampoline sitting in the back yard not being used???? I might be interested in it!
Thanks,
Blaine
Blaine DePue
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30931 From: lynch <lynch@v...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 9:30pm
Subject: Re: Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
Whats next after this? "Tow straps forever! Long live open diffs!" ?
-lynch
On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 09:24:28PM -0700, Joe W wrote:
> Fred,
>
> I have ARB air lockers front and rear... they aren't bothered one bit by hub
> fuses <grin>.... but of course, they are REAL lockers and not those cheapy
> "automatic" lockers like the Detroit. I like to shift using a manual
> transmission and I like to shift my lockers on and off... nothing automatic
> about my Jeep... manual everything. <grin>.
>
> Now... I can't wait to hear the whining from all the Detroit locker guys and
> gals out there... come on... you know you want to make some comment about me
> needing a compressor and airlines that leak and seals that leak and the
> like... do it... just make your comment.. come on... I dare you....
>
> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>
> ARBs and OX Lockers RULE and ANY sissy "Automatic" locker SUCKS!!! (as do
> SISSY automatic transmissions like the ARCA people use... sissys all of
> them... nothing like us real MANLY men who use MANUAL transmissions and
> MANUAL lockers)
>
>
> Joe West
> Causing trouble
> Trying to get a rise out of Daddy Splay Legs
> or anyone...
>
> <grin>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: fmw@q... [mailto:fmw@q...]
> > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 7:27 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
> >
> >
> > Joe, are you locked in the front. I understand that the fuses are not
> > recommended for Detroits in the front as they can trash the
> > Detriot. In the
> > last issue of JP they reported of a LocRite in the front that
> > was trashed
> > when both front fuses let go. Just wondering.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Fred
> >
> >
> > At 07:01 AM 09/10/2001 -0700, arizonajeep@h... wrote:
> > >My left hub fuse must have blown at the same time my left
> > ujoint failed.
> > >The right fuse blew with one cap on my right ujoint already
> > turned about 20
> > >degrees and lifted.
> > >My wheels were turned almost to the lock so I am impressed
> > that the fuses
> > >worked as well as they did. It is fairly clear that the
> > fuses will *almost*
> > >protect your ujoints even with the tires at full lock (one
> > fuse did and one
> > >didn't). There is no doubt that the fuses will blow first
> > with the wheels
> > >straight ahead or even turned. In short, 5 minutes to
> > replace a hub fuse vs
> > >45 minutes for an axle... I'll take the fuse any day.
> > >
> > >The good news is that both fuses failed before any damage
> > was done to my
> > >axles. Even the right hub fuse blew in time to prevent
> > damage to my axle
> > >yokes... and the left ujoint didn't fail because the fuse
> > blew but it was
> > >damn close to failing.
> > >
> > >I wish I had some pictures to show, but I forgot my camera
> > and Scott's
> > >camera battery was dead. My jeep was pointed so close to 90 degrees
> > >straight down that Sharky had to dig out sand and gravel to
> > get to my winch!
> > >
> > >I have a spare set of axles I'll be putting in tonight and I'll be
> > >rebuilding the set currently in my Jeep. I am going to be
> > tack welding the
> > >caps in after I rebuild the axles... and the next time I
> > rebuild them I'll
> > >just use my dremel to remove the tack welds. The next time
> > I have a u-joint
> > >fail it will not be because the caps turned and came out...
> > it will be
> > >because I twisted the entire ujoint in half or twisted my
> > axle splines
> > ><grin>.
> > >
> > >Scott did a pretty good job in his short writeup. It was amazing how
> > >difficult it was to descend that waterfall... perhaps with
> > 38+ inch tires it
> > >would be easier. Sharky came out with the least damage (4
> > cylinder and D35C
> > ><grin>) and I believe that Scott's problem was caused by a
> > defective front
> > >track bar (look at the picture of how it was bent... did RE
> > forget to use
> > >chrome-moly?).
> > >
> > >I guess this was a pretty long answer to a short question...
> > but to answer
> > >your question Nick; I won't be driving without the fuses..
> > they worked
> > >better than I expected under the absolute worst conditions possible
> > >(completely turned to the lock front tires).
> > >
> > >
> > >Joe West
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Nick [mailto:nnote@a...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 10:45 PM
> > > To: AZVJC
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
> > >
> > >
> > > So what do you think of the hub fuses Joe?
> > > Nick
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Scott Kruize
> > > To: AZVJC
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 6:48 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello!
> > >
> > > What a great run. We had Sharky and his wife Stacy, Joe West with
> > >bride-to-be Joyce, and myself with Jake Wagner (aka Bobberman) riding
> > >shotgun. The trail turned out to be a class 4.5 going up and
> > 5 coming down.
> > >Everybody came out with damage coming down, but none going
> > up.There is a
> > >fence on the top of this one and a road crosses the wash
> > just past the
> > >fence. There is a gate going up in the near future.
> > Unfortunately not soon
> > >enough...<Grin>
> > >
> > > Joe West tweaked his roof rack, the step on his left
> > side flat fender
> > >got some mild damage, he blew a ujoint on one side, and a
> > hub fuse on the
> > >other.
> > >
> > > Sharky damaged his rear tailgate. It got pretty tweaked.
> > >
> > > I damaged the passenger flat fender today. Now I need to
> > rework them.
> > >Not even 12 hours old I managed to damage one :( I damaged
> > the fender when
> > >the RE Extreme Duty track bar taco'd sending my fender into the rock.
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms
> > of Service.
> > >
> > ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> > ><HTML><HEAD>
> > ><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html;
> > charset=iso-8859-1">
> > >
> > >
> > ><META content="MSHTML 5.50.4616.200" name=GENERATOR>
> > ><STYLE></STYLE>
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> > ><BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > color=#0000ff size=2>My
> > >left hub fuse must have blown at the same time my left
> > ujoint failed.
> > The
> > >right fuse blew with one cap on my right ujoint already
> > turned about 20
> > degrees
> > >and lifted.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > color=#0000ff size=2>My
> > >wheels were turned almost to the lock so I am impressed that
> > the fuses
> > worked as
> > >well as they did. It is fairly clear that the fuses
> > will *almost*
> > protect
> > >your ujoints even with the tires at full lock (one fuse did and one
> > >didn't). There is no doubt that the fuses will blow
> > first with the
> > wheels
> > >straight ahead or even turned. In short, 5 minutes to
> > replace a hub fuse
> > >vs 45 minutes for an axle... I'll take the fuse any
> > day.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > color=#0000ff size=2>The
> > >good news is that both fuses failed before any damage was done to my
> > >axles. Even the right hub fuse blew in time to prevent
> > damage to my axle
> > >yokes... and the left ujoint didn't fail because the fuse
> > blew but it was damn
> > >close to failing. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > color=#0000ff size=2>I
> > wish
> > >I had some pictures to show, but I forgot my camera and
> > Scott's camera battery
> > >was dead. My jeep was pointed so close to 90 degrees
> > straight down that
> > >Sharky had to dig out sand and gravel to get to my winch!
> > ></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > color=#0000ff size=2>I
> > have
> > >a spare set of axles I'll be putting in tonight and I'll be
> > rebuilding the set
> > >currently in my Jeep. I am going to be tack welding
> > the caps in after I
> > >rebuild the axles... and the next time I rebuild them I'll
> > just use my
> > dremel to
> > >remove the tack welds. The next time I have a u-joint
> > fail it will
> > not be
> > >because the caps turned and came out... it will be because I
> > twisted the
> > entire
> > >ujoint in half or twisted my axle splines
> > <grin>.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > size=2>Scott
> > >did a pretty good job in his short writeup. It was
> > amazing how difficult
> > >it was to descend that waterfall... perhaps with 38+ inch
> > tires it would be
> > >easier. Sharky came out with the least damage (4
> > cylinder and D35C
> > ><grin>) and I believe that Scott's problem was caused
> > by a defective
> > front
> > >track bar (look at the picture of how it was bent...
> > did RE forget to use
> > >chrome-moly?). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > color=#0000ff size=2>I
> > >guess this was a pretty long answer to a short question...
> > but to answer your
> > >question Nick; I won't be driving without the fuses.. they
> > worked better
> > than I
> > >expected under the absolute worst conditions possible
> > (completely turned to
> > the
> > >lock front tires).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > color=#0000ff size=2>Joe
> > >West</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > ><BLOCKQUOTE
> > >style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
> > #0000ff 2px solid">
> > > <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
> > face=Tahoma
> > > size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Nick
> > > [mailto:nnote@a...]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday,
> > September 09, 2001 10:45
> > > PM<BR><B>To:</B> AZVJC<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [az_vjc]
> > Trip report: Cheap
> > > Trick...carnage for all<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So what do you think of the hub fuses
> > > Joe?</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nick</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV> </DIV>
> > > <BLOCKQUOTE
> > > style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
> > BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> > > <DIV
> > > style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
> > black"><B>From:</B>
> > > <A title=scottkruize@e...
> > > href="mailto:scottkruize@e...">Scott Kruize</A> </DIV>
> > > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
> > title=az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > href="mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com">AZVJC</A> </DIV>
> > > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday,
> > September 09, 2001 6:48
> > > PM</DIV>
> > > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [az_vjc]
> > Trip report: Cheap
> > > Trick...carnage for all</DIV>
> > > <DIV><BR></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
> > > class=410375900-10092001>Hello!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
> > class=410375900-10092001>What a
> > > great run. We had Sharky and his wife Stacy, Joe West
> > with bride-to-be
> > > Joyce, and myself with Jake Wagner (aka Bobberman) riding
> > shotgun. The
> > > trail turned out to be a </SPAN>class 4.5 going up
> > and 5 coming down.
> > > Everybody came out with damage coming down, but none
> > going up.There is a
> > > fence on the top of this one and a road crosses the wash
> > just past the
> > > fence. There is a gate going <SPAN
> > class=410375900-10092001>up</SPAN>
> > > in the <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>near </SPAN>future.
> > Unfortunately
> > > not soon enough...<Grin></FONT></FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Joe West tweaked his <SPAN
> > > class=410375900-10092001>roof </SPAN>rack, the step on
> > his left side flat
> > > fender<SPAN class=410375900-10092001> got some mild
> > > damage</SPAN>, <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>he
> > </SPAN>blew a ujoint
> > > on one side, and a hub fuse on the other. </FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV> </DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sharky damaged his rear
> > tailgate. It got
> > pretty
> > > tweaked. </FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV> </DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
> > class=410375900-10092001>I
> > > </SPAN>damaged the passenger flat fender<SPAN
> > class=410375900-10092001>
> > > today</SPAN>. Now I need to rework them. Not even 12 hours old I
> > managed to
> > > damage one :( <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>I
> > </SPAN>damaged the
> > > fender when the RE Extreme Duty track bar taco'd sending
> > my fender into
> > the
> > > rock. </FONT></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><TT>Your use of Yahoo!
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30932 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 5:38pm
Subject: Re: Daddy Splay Legs... was: RE: [FS] Wanted: Looking for a 14' roun...
Hes telling the truth Scott, he wasnt laughing...it was me :)
Just playing with ya
Sharky
30933 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 9:23pm
Subject: New Stock TJ Tie Rod Ends
Does anyone know for a fact any places in the valley that have them
in stock? I'll be doing the usual calling of part stores, but if
anyone knows of any place that has them it would save me some time.
Thanks,
Dan
30934 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 9:41pm
Subject: RE: Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
Yes my son... YES!!! YES!!!
Tow straps forever! Long live open diffs!
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lynch [mailto:lynch@v...]
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:31 PM
> To: Joe W
> Cc: fmw@q...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
>
>
> Whats next after this? "Tow straps forever! Long live open diffs!" ?
>
> -lynch
>
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 09:24:28PM -0700, Joe W wrote:
> > Fred,
> >
> > I have ARB air lockers front and rear... they aren't
> bothered one bit by hub
> > fuses <grin>.... but of course, they are REAL lockers and
> not those cheapy
> > "automatic" lockers like the Detroit. I like to shift
> using a manual
> > transmission and I like to shift my lockers on and off...
> nothing automatic
> > about my Jeep... manual everything. <grin>.
> >
> > Now... I can't wait to hear the whining from all the
> Detroit locker guys and
> > gals out there... come on... you know you want to make some
> comment about me
> > needing a compressor and airlines that leak and seals that
> leak and the
> > like... do it... just make your comment.. come on... I dare you....
> >
> > hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
> >
> > ARBs and OX Lockers RULE and ANY sissy "Automatic" locker
> SUCKS!!! (as do
> > SISSY automatic transmissions like the ARCA people use...
> sissys all of
> > them... nothing like us real MANLY men who use MANUAL
> transmissions and
> > MANUAL lockers)
> >
> >
> > Joe West
> > Causing trouble
> > Trying to get a rise out of Daddy Splay Legs
> > or anyone...
> >
> > <grin>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: fmw@q... [mailto:fmw@q...]
> > > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 7:27 AM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe, are you locked in the front. I understand that the
> fuses are not
> > > recommended for Detroits in the front as they can trash the
> > > Detriot. In the
> > > last issue of JP they reported of a LocRite in the front that
> > > was trashed
> > > when both front fuses let go. Just wondering.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Fred
> > >
> > >
> > > At 07:01 AM 09/10/2001 -0700, arizonajeep@h... wrote:
> > > >My left hub fuse must have blown at the same time my left
> > > ujoint failed.
> > > >The right fuse blew with one cap on my right ujoint already
> > > turned about 20
> > > >degrees and lifted.
> > > >My wheels were turned almost to the lock so I am impressed
> > > that the fuses
> > > >worked as well as they did. It is fairly clear that the
> > > fuses will *almost*
> > > >protect your ujoints even with the tires at full lock (one
> > > fuse did and one
> > > >didn't). There is no doubt that the fuses will blow first
> > > with the wheels
> > > >straight ahead or even turned. In short, 5 minutes to
> > > replace a hub fuse vs
> > > >45 minutes for an axle... I'll take the fuse any day.
> > > >
> > > >The good news is that both fuses failed before any damage
> > > was done to my
> > > >axles. Even the right hub fuse blew in time to prevent
> > > damage to my axle
> > > >yokes... and the left ujoint didn't fail because the fuse
> > > blew but it was
> > > >damn close to failing.
> > > >
> > > >I wish I had some pictures to show, but I forgot my camera
> > > and Scott's
> > > >camera battery was dead. My jeep was pointed so close
> to 90 degrees
> > > >straight down that Sharky had to dig out sand and gravel to
> > > get to my winch!
> > > >
> > > >I have a spare set of axles I'll be putting in tonight
> and I'll be
> > > >rebuilding the set currently in my Jeep. I am going to be
> > > tack welding the
> > > >caps in after I rebuild the axles... and the next time I
> > > rebuild them I'll
> > > >just use my dremel to remove the tack welds. The next time
> > > I have a u-joint
> > > >fail it will not be because the caps turned and came out...
> > > it will be
> > > >because I twisted the entire ujoint in half or twisted my
> > > axle splines
> > > ><grin>.
> > > >
> > > >Scott did a pretty good job in his short writeup. It
> was amazing how
> > > >difficult it was to descend that waterfall... perhaps with
> > > 38+ inch tires it
> > > >would be easier. Sharky came out with the least damage (4
> > > cylinder and D35C
> > > ><grin>) and I believe that Scott's problem was caused by a
> > > defective front
> > > >track bar (look at the picture of how it was bent... did RE
> > > forget to use
> > > >chrome-moly?).
> > > >
> > > >I guess this was a pretty long answer to a short question...
> > > but to answer
> > > >your question Nick; I won't be driving without the fuses..
> > > they worked
> > > >better than I expected under the absolute worst
> conditions possible
> > > >(completely turned to the lock front tires).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Joe West
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Nick [mailto:nnote@a...]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 10:45 PM
> > > > To: AZVJC
> > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap
> Trick...carnage for all
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So what do you think of the hub fuses Joe?
> > > > Nick
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Scott Kruize
> > > > To: AZVJC
> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 6:48 PM
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello!
> > > >
> > > > What a great run. We had Sharky and his wife Stacy,
> Joe West with
> > > >bride-to-be Joyce, and myself with Jake Wagner (aka
> Bobberman) riding
> > > >shotgun. The trail turned out to be a class 4.5 going up and
> > > 5 coming down.
> > > >Everybody came out with damage coming down, but none going
> > > up.There is a
> > > >fence on the top of this one and a road crosses the wash
> > > just past the
> > > >fence. There is a gate going up in the near future.
> > > Unfortunately not soon
> > > >enough...<Grin>
> > > >
> > > > Joe West tweaked his roof rack, the step on his left
> > > side flat fender
> > > >got some mild damage, he blew a ujoint on one side, and a
> > > hub fuse on the
> > > >other.
> > > >
> > > > Sharky damaged his rear tailgate. It got pretty tweaked.
> > > >
> > > > I damaged the passenger flat fender today. Now I need to
> > > rework them.
> > > >Not even 12 hours old I managed to damage one :( I damaged
> > > the fender when
> > > >the RE Extreme Duty track bar taco'd sending my fender
> into the rock.
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms
> > > of Service.
> > > >
> > > ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> > > ><HTML><HEAD>
> > > ><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html;
> > > charset=iso-8859-1">
> > > >
> > > >
> > > ><META content="MSHTML 5.50.4616.200" name=GENERATOR>
> > > ><STYLE></STYLE>
> > > ></HEAD>
> > > ><BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > > color=#0000ff size=2>My
> > > >left hub fuse must have blown at the same time my left
> > > ujoint failed.
> > > The
> > > >right fuse blew with one cap on my right ujoint already
> > > turned about 20
> > > degrees
> > > >and lifted.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > > color=#0000ff size=2>My
> > > >wheels were turned almost to the lock so I am impressed that
> > > the fuses
> > > worked as
> > > >well as they did. It is fairly clear that the fuses
> > > will *almost*
> > > protect
> > > >your ujoints even with the tires at full lock (one fuse
> did and one
> > > >didn't). There is no doubt that the fuses will blow
> > > first with the
> > > wheels
> > > >straight ahead or even turned. In short, 5 minutes to
> > > replace a hub fuse
> > > >vs 45 minutes for an axle... I'll take the fuse any
> > > day.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff
> > > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > > color=#0000ff size=2>The
> > > >good news is that both fuses failed before any damage
> was done to my
> > > >axles. Even the right hub fuse blew in time to prevent
> > > damage to my axle
> > > >yokes... and the left ujoint didn't fail because the fuse
> > > blew but it was damn
> > > >close to failing. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff
> > > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > > color=#0000ff size=2>I
> > > wish
> > > >I had some pictures to show, but I forgot my camera and
> > > Scott's camera battery
> > > >was dead. My jeep was pointed so close to 90 degrees
> > > straight down that
> > > >Sharky had to dig out sand and gravel to get to my winch!
> > > ></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff
> > > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > > color=#0000ff size=2>I
> > > have
> > > >a spare set of axles I'll be putting in tonight and I'll be
> > > rebuilding the set
> > > >currently in my Jeep. I am going to be tack welding
> > > the caps in after I
> > > >rebuild the axles... and the next time I rebuild them I'll
> > > just use my
> > > dremel to
> > > >remove the tack welds. The next time I have a u-joint
> > > fail it will
> > > not be
> > > >because the caps turned and came out... it will be because I
> > > twisted the
> > > entire
> > > >ujoint in half or twisted my axle splines
> > > <grin>.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff
> > > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff
> > > size=2>Scott
> > > >did a pretty good job in his short writeup. It was
> > > amazing how difficult
> > > >it was to descend that waterfall... perhaps with 38+ inch
> > > tires it would be
> > > >easier. Sharky came out with the least damage (4
> > > cylinder and D35C
> > > ><grin>) and I believe that Scott's problem was caused
> > > by a defective
> > > front
> > > >track bar (look at the picture of how it was bent...
> > > did RE forget to use
> > > >chrome-moly?). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff
> > > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > > color=#0000ff size=2>I
> > > >guess this was a pretty long answer to a short question...
> > > but to answer your
> > > >question Nick; I won't be driving without the fuses.. they
> > > worked better
> > > than I
> > > >expected under the absolute worst conditions possible
> > > (completely turned to
> > > the
> > > >lock front tires).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff
> > > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff
> > > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > > color=#0000ff size=2>Joe
> > > >West</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > > ><BLOCKQUOTE
> > > >style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
> > > #0000ff 2px solid">
> > > > <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
> > > face=Tahoma
> > > > size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Nick
> > > > [mailto:nnote@a...]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday,
> > > September 09, 2001 10:45
> > > > PM<BR><B>To:</B> AZVJC<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [az_vjc]
> > > Trip report: Cheap
> > > > Trick...carnage for all<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
> > > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So what do you think of
> the hub fuses
> > > > Joe?</FONT></DIV>
> > > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nick</FONT></DIV>
> > > > <DIV> </DIV>
> > > > <BLOCKQUOTE
> > > > style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
> > > BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > > > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message
> ----- </DIV>
> > > > <DIV
> > > > style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
> > > black"><B>From:</B>
> > > > <A title=scottkruize@e...
> > > > href="mailto:scottkruize@e...">Scott
> Kruize</A> </DIV>
> > > > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
> > > title=az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > href="mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com">AZVJC</A> </DIV>
> > > > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday,
> > > September 09, 2001 6:48
> > > > PM</DIV>
> > > > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [az_vjc]
> > > Trip report: Cheap
> > > > Trick...carnage for all</DIV>
> > > > <DIV><BR></DIV>
> > > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
> > > > class=410375900-10092001>Hello!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
> > > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
> > > class=410375900-10092001>What a
> > > > great run. We had Sharky and his wife Stacy, Joe West
> > > with bride-to-be
> > > > Joyce, and myself with Jake Wagner (aka Bobberman) riding
> > > shotgun. The
> > > > trail turned out to be a </SPAN>class 4.5 going up
> > > and 5 coming down.
> > > > Everybody came out with damage coming down, but none
> > > going up.There is a
> > > > fence on the top of this one and a road crosses the wash
> > > just past the
> > > > fence. There is a gate going <SPAN
> > > class=410375900-10092001>up</SPAN>
> > > > in the <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>near
> </SPAN>future.
> > > Unfortunately
> > > > not soon enough...<Grin></FONT></FONT></DIV>
> > > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Joe West tweaked his <SPAN
> > > > class=410375900-10092001>roof </SPAN>rack, the step on
> > > his left side flat
> > > > fender<SPAN class=410375900-10092001> got some mild
> > > > damage</SPAN>, <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>he
> > > </SPAN>blew a ujoint
> > > > on one side, and a hub fuse on the other. </FONT></DIV>
> > > > <DIV> </DIV>
> > > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sharky damaged his rear
> > > tailgate. It got
> > > pretty
> > > > tweaked. </FONT></DIV>
> > > > <DIV> </DIV>
> > > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
> > > class=410375900-10092001>I
> > > > </SPAN>damaged the passenger flat fender<SPAN
> > > class=410375900-10092001>
> > > > today</SPAN>. Now I need to rework them. Not even 12
> hours old I
> > > managed to
> > > > damage one :( <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>I
> > > </SPAN>damaged the
> > > > fender when the RE Extreme Duty track bar taco'd sending
> > > my fender into
> > > the
> > > > rock. </FONT></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><TT>Your
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> > > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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30935 From: <rocncj7@a...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 5:50pm
Subject: Re: Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
Ah, your just blowing hot air, or is that just from your leaky air line when
it got rocked!! LOL! Detroit rules! Or are your bolts just loose on your
third member?! It's only a matter of time! <grin> Just pokin back!! Happy
Wheeling!
Daron
30936 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 9:45pm
Subject: RE: Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
So why would anyone running such manly equipment, ie., manual transmission,
manual lockers, etc., put some kind of pussy fuse on his hubs? LOL ;)
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@h...]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:24 PM
To: fmw@q...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
Fred,
I have ARB air lockers front and rear... they aren't bothered one bit by hub
fuses <grin>.... but of course, they are REAL lockers and not those cheapy
"automatic" lockers like the Detroit. I like to shift using a manual
transmission and I like to shift my lockers on and off... nothing automatic
about my Jeep... manual everything. <grin>.
Now... I can't wait to hear the whining from all the Detroit locker guys and
gals out there... come on... you know you want to make some comment about me
needing a compressor and airlines that leak and seals that leak and the
like... do it... just make your comment.. come on... I dare you....
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
ARBs and OX Lockers RULE and ANY sissy "Automatic" locker SUCKS!!! (as do
SISSY automatic transmissions like the ARCA people use... sissys all of
them... nothing like us real MANLY men who use MANUAL transmissions and
MANUAL lockers)
Joe West
Causing trouble
Trying to get a rise out of Daddy Splay Legs
or anyone...
<grin>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fmw@q... [mailto:fmw@q...]
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 7:27 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
>
>
> Joe, are you locked in the front. I understand that the fuses are not
> recommended for Detroits in the front as they can trash the
> Detriot. In the
> last issue of JP they reported of a LocRite in the front that
> was trashed
> when both front fuses let go. Just wondering.
>
> Thanks,
> Fred
>
>
> At 07:01 AM 09/10/2001 -0700, arizonajeep@h... wrote:
> >My left hub fuse must have blown at the same time my left
> ujoint failed.
> >The right fuse blew with one cap on my right ujoint already
> turned about 20
> >degrees and lifted.
> >My wheels were turned almost to the lock so I am impressed
> that the fuses
> >worked as well as they did. It is fairly clear that the
> fuses will *almost*
> >protect your ujoints even with the tires at full lock (one
> fuse did and one
> >didn't). There is no doubt that the fuses will blow first
> with the wheels
> >straight ahead or even turned. In short, 5 minutes to
> replace a hub fuse vs
> >45 minutes for an axle... I'll take the fuse any day.
> >
> >The good news is that both fuses failed before any damage
> was done to my
> >axles. Even the right hub fuse blew in time to prevent
> damage to my axle
> >yokes... and the left ujoint didn't fail because the fuse
> blew but it was
> >damn close to failing.
> >
> >I wish I had some pictures to show, but I forgot my camera
> and Scott's
> >camera battery was dead. My jeep was pointed so close to 90 degrees
> >straight down that Sharky had to dig out sand and gravel to
> get to my winch!
> >
> >I have a spare set of axles I'll be putting in tonight and I'll be
> >rebuilding the set currently in my Jeep. I am going to be
> tack welding the
> >caps in after I rebuild the axles... and the next time I
> rebuild them I'll
> >just use my dremel to remove the tack welds. The next time
> I have a u-joint
> >fail it will not be because the caps turned and came out...
> it will be
> >because I twisted the entire ujoint in half or twisted my
> axle splines
> ><grin>.
> >
> >Scott did a pretty good job in his short writeup. It was amazing how
> >difficult it was to descend that waterfall... perhaps with
> 38+ inch tires it
> >would be easier. Sharky came out with the least damage (4
> cylinder and D35C
> ><grin>) and I believe that Scott's problem was caused by a
> defective front
> >track bar (look at the picture of how it was bent... did RE
> forget to use
> >chrome-moly?).
> >
> >I guess this was a pretty long answer to a short question...
> but to answer
> >your question Nick; I won't be driving without the fuses..
> they worked
> >better than I expected under the absolute worst conditions possible
> >(completely turned to the lock front tires).
> >
> >
> >Joe West
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nick [mailto:nnote@a...]
> > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 10:45 PM
> > To: AZVJC
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
> >
> >
> > So what do you think of the hub fuses Joe?
> > Nick
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Kruize
> > To: AZVJC
> > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 6:48 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
> >
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > What a great run. We had Sharky and his wife Stacy, Joe West with
> >bride-to-be Joyce, and myself with Jake Wagner (aka Bobberman) riding
> >shotgun. The trail turned out to be a class 4.5 going up and
> 5 coming down.
> >Everybody came out with damage coming down, but none going
> up.There is a
> >fence on the top of this one and a road crosses the wash
> just past the
> >fence. There is a gate going up in the near future.
> Unfortunately not soon
> >enough...<Grin>
> >
> > Joe West tweaked his roof rack, the step on his left
> side flat fender
> >got some mild damage, he blew a ujoint on one side, and a
> hub fuse on the
> >other.
> >
> > Sharky damaged his rear tailgate. It got pretty tweaked.
> >
> > I damaged the passenger flat fender today. Now I need to
> rework them.
> >Not even 12 hours old I managed to damage one :( I damaged
> the fender when
> >the RE Extreme Duty track bar taco'd sending my fender into the rock.
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms
> of Service.
> >
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> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>My
> >left hub fuse must have blown at the same time my left
> ujoint failed.
> The
> >right fuse blew with one cap on my right ujoint already
> turned about 20
> degrees
> >and lifted.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>My
> >wheels were turned almost to the lock so I am impressed that
> the fuses
> worked as
> >well as they did. It is fairly clear that the fuses
> will *almost*
> protect
> >your ujoints even with the tires at full lock (one fuse did and one
> >didn't). There is no doubt that the fuses will blow
> first with the
> wheels
> >straight ahead or even turned. In short, 5 minutes to
> replace a hub fuse
> >vs 45 minutes for an axle... I'll take the fuse any
> day.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>The
> >good news is that both fuses failed before any damage was done to my
> >axles. Even the right hub fuse blew in time to prevent
> damage to my axle
> >yokes... and the left ujoint didn't fail because the fuse
> blew but it was damn
> >close to failing. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>I
> wish
> >I had some pictures to show, but I forgot my camera and
> Scott's camera battery
> >was dead. My jeep was pointed so close to 90 degrees
> straight down that
> >Sharky had to dig out sand and gravel to get to my winch!
> ></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>I
> have
> >a spare set of axles I'll be putting in tonight and I'll be
> rebuilding the set
> >currently in my Jeep. I am going to be tack welding
> the caps in after I
> >rebuild the axles... and the next time I rebuild them I'll
> just use my
> dremel to
> >remove the tack welds. The next time I have a u-joint
> fail it will
> not be
> >because the caps turned and came out... it will be because I
> twisted the
> entire
> >ujoint in half or twisted my axle splines
> <grin>.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> size=2>Scott
> >did a pretty good job in his short writeup. It was
> amazing how difficult
> >it was to descend that waterfall... perhaps with 38+ inch
> tires it would be
> >easier. Sharky came out with the least damage (4
> cylinder and D35C
> ><grin>) and I believe that Scott's problem was caused
> by a defective
> front
> >track bar (look at the picture of how it was bent...
> did RE forget to use
> >chrome-moly?). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>I
> >guess this was a pretty long answer to a short question...
> but to answer your
> >question Nick; I won't be driving without the fuses.. they
> worked better
> than I
> >expected under the absolute worst conditions possible
> (completely turned to
> the
> >lock front tires).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>Joe
> >West</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><BLOCKQUOTE
> >style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
> #0000ff 2px solid">
> > <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
> face=Tahoma
> > size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Nick
> > [mailto:nnote@a...]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday,
> September 09, 2001 10:45
> > PM<BR><B>To:</B> AZVJC<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [az_vjc]
> Trip report: Cheap
> > Trick...carnage for all<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So what do you think of the hub fuses
> > Joe?</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nick</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <BLOCKQUOTE
> > style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
> BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> > <DIV
> > style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
> black"><B>From:</B>
> > <A title=scottkruize@e...
> > href="mailto:scottkruize@e...">Scott Kruize</A> </DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
> title=az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > href="mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com">AZVJC</A> </DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday,
> September 09, 2001 6:48
> > PM</DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [az_vjc]
> Trip report: Cheap
> > Trick...carnage for all</DIV>
> > <DIV><BR></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
> > class=410375900-10092001>Hello!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
> class=410375900-10092001>What a
> > great run. We had Sharky and his wife Stacy, Joe West
> with bride-to-be
> > Joyce, and myself with Jake Wagner (aka Bobberman) riding
> shotgun. The
> > trail turned out to be a </SPAN>class 4.5 going up
> and 5 coming down.
> > Everybody came out with damage coming down, but none
> going up.There is a
> > fence on the top of this one and a road crosses the wash
> just past the
> > fence. There is a gate going <SPAN
> class=410375900-10092001>up</SPAN>
> > in the <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>near </SPAN>future.
> Unfortunately
> > not soon enough...<Grin></FONT></FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Joe West tweaked his <SPAN
> > class=410375900-10092001>roof </SPAN>rack, the step on
> his left side flat
> > fender<SPAN class=410375900-10092001> got some mild
> > damage</SPAN>, <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>he
> </SPAN>blew a ujoint
> > on one side, and a hub fuse on the other. </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sharky damaged his rear
> tailgate. It got
> pretty
> > tweaked. </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
> class=410375900-10092001>I
> > </SPAN>damaged the passenger flat fender<SPAN
> class=410375900-10092001>
> > today</SPAN>. Now I need to rework them. Not even 12 hours old I
> managed to
> > damage one :( <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>I
> </SPAN>damaged the
> > fender when the RE Extreme Duty track bar taco'd sending
> my fender into
> the
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30937 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 10:11pm
Subject: Re: Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
Lockers????? Oooooohhhhhhh. You mean that thing you can do to your spiders
by putting a crap load of welding rod in there. Yeah.....I got a few o' dem
dare locker-ma-jiggies.
----------------------------
Jay Eller (just a little humour)
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
30938 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 10:15pm
Subject: RE: Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
Joe,
Yada yada yada.
Yawn....
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@h...]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:24 PM
To: fmw@q...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
Fred,
I have ARB air lockers front and rear... they aren't bothered one bit by hub
fuses <grin>.... but of course, they are REAL lockers and not those cheapy
"automatic" lockers like the Detroit. I like to shift using a manual
transmission and I like to shift my lockers on and off... nothing automatic
about my Jeep... manual everything. <grin>.
Now... I can't wait to hear the whining from all the Detroit locker guys and
gals out there... come on... you know you want to make some comment about me
needing a compressor and airlines that leak and seals that leak and the
like... do it... just make your comment.. come on... I dare you....
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
ARBs and OX Lockers RULE and ANY sissy "Automatic" locker SUCKS!!! (as do
SISSY automatic transmissions like the ARCA people use... sissys all of
them... nothing like us real MANLY men who use MANUAL transmissions and
MANUAL lockers)
Joe West
Causing trouble
Trying to get a rise out of Daddy Splay Legs
or anyone...
<grin>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fmw@q... [mailto:fmw@q...]
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 7:27 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
>
>
> Joe, are you locked in the front. I understand that the fuses are not
> recommended for Detroits in the front as they can trash the
> Detriot. In the
> last issue of JP they reported of a LocRite in the front that
> was trashed
> when both front fuses let go. Just wondering.
>
> Thanks,
> Fred
>
>
> At 07:01 AM 09/10/2001 -0700, arizonajeep@h... wrote:
> >My left hub fuse must have blown at the same time my left
> ujoint failed.
> >The right fuse blew with one cap on my right ujoint already
> turned about 20
> >degrees and lifted.
> >My wheels were turned almost to the lock so I am impressed
> that the fuses
> >worked as well as they did. It is fairly clear that the
> fuses will *almost*
> >protect your ujoints even with the tires at full lock (one
> fuse did and one
> >didn't). There is no doubt that the fuses will blow first
> with the wheels
> >straight ahead or even turned. In short, 5 minutes to
> replace a hub fuse vs
> >45 minutes for an axle... I'll take the fuse any day.
> >
> >The good news is that both fuses failed before any damage
> was done to my
> >axles. Even the right hub fuse blew in time to prevent
> damage to my axle
> >yokes... and the left ujoint didn't fail because the fuse
> blew but it was
> >damn close to failing.
> >
> >I wish I had some pictures to show, but I forgot my camera
> and Scott's
> >camera battery was dead. My jeep was pointed so close to 90 degrees
> >straight down that Sharky had to dig out sand and gravel to
> get to my winch!
> >
> >I have a spare set of axles I'll be putting in tonight and I'll be
> >rebuilding the set currently in my Jeep. I am going to be
> tack welding the
> >caps in after I rebuild the axles... and the next time I
> rebuild them I'll
> >just use my dremel to remove the tack welds. The next time
> I have a u-joint
> >fail it will not be because the caps turned and came out...
> it will be
> >because I twisted the entire ujoint in half or twisted my
> axle splines
> ><grin>.
> >
> >Scott did a pretty good job in his short writeup. It was amazing how
> >difficult it was to descend that waterfall... perhaps with
> 38+ inch tires it
> >would be easier. Sharky came out with the least damage (4
> cylinder and D35C
> ><grin>) and I believe that Scott's problem was caused by a
> defective front
> >track bar (look at the picture of how it was bent... did RE
> forget to use
> >chrome-moly?).
> >
> >I guess this was a pretty long answer to a short question...
> but to answer
> >your question Nick; I won't be driving without the fuses..
> they worked
> >better than I expected under the absolute worst conditions possible
> >(completely turned to the lock front tires).
> >
> >
> >Joe West
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nick [mailto:nnote@a...]
> > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 10:45 PM
> > To: AZVJC
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
> >
> >
> > So what do you think of the hub fuses Joe?
> > Nick
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Kruize
> > To: AZVJC
> > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 6:48 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
> >
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > What a great run. We had Sharky and his wife Stacy, Joe West with
> >bride-to-be Joyce, and myself with Jake Wagner (aka Bobberman) riding
> >shotgun. The trail turned out to be a class 4.5 going up and
> 5 coming down.
> >Everybody came out with damage coming down, but none going
> up.There is a
> >fence on the top of this one and a road crosses the wash
> just past the
> >fence. There is a gate going up in the near future.
> Unfortunately not soon
> >enough...<Grin>
> >
> > Joe West tweaked his roof rack, the step on his left
> side flat fender
> >got some mild damage, he blew a ujoint on one side, and a
> hub fuse on the
> >other.
> >
> > Sharky damaged his rear tailgate. It got pretty tweaked.
> >
> > I damaged the passenger flat fender today. Now I need to
> rework them.
> >Not even 12 hours old I managed to damage one :( I damaged
> the fender when
> >the RE Extreme Duty track bar taco'd sending my fender into the rock.
> >
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> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>My
> >left hub fuse must have blown at the same time my left
> ujoint failed.
> The
> >right fuse blew with one cap on my right ujoint already
> turned about 20
> degrees
> >and lifted.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>My
> >wheels were turned almost to the lock so I am impressed that
> the fuses
> worked as
> >well as they did. It is fairly clear that the fuses
> will *almost*
> protect
> >your ujoints even with the tires at full lock (one fuse did and one
> >didn't). There is no doubt that the fuses will blow
> first with the
> wheels
> >straight ahead or even turned. In short, 5 minutes to
> replace a hub fuse
> >vs 45 minutes for an axle... I'll take the fuse any
> day.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>The
> >good news is that both fuses failed before any damage was done to my
> >axles. Even the right hub fuse blew in time to prevent
> damage to my axle
> >yokes... and the left ujoint didn't fail because the fuse
> blew but it was damn
> >close to failing. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>I
> wish
> >I had some pictures to show, but I forgot my camera and
> Scott's camera battery
> >was dead. My jeep was pointed so close to 90 degrees
> straight down that
> >Sharky had to dig out sand and gravel to get to my winch!
> ></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>I
> have
> >a spare set of axles I'll be putting in tonight and I'll be
> rebuilding the set
> >currently in my Jeep. I am going to be tack welding
> the caps in after I
> >rebuild the axles... and the next time I rebuild them I'll
> just use my
> dremel to
> >remove the tack welds. The next time I have a u-joint
> fail it will
> not be
> >because the caps turned and came out... it will be because I
> twisted the
> entire
> >ujoint in half or twisted my axle splines
> <grin>.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> size=2>Scott
> >did a pretty good job in his short writeup. It was
> amazing how difficult
> >it was to descend that waterfall... perhaps with 38+ inch
> tires it would be
> >easier. Sharky came out with the least damage (4
> cylinder and D35C
> ><grin>) and I believe that Scott's problem was caused
> by a defective
> front
> >track bar (look at the picture of how it was bent...
> did RE forget to use
> >chrome-moly?). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>I
> >guess this was a pretty long answer to a short question...
> but to answer your
> >question Nick; I won't be driving without the fuses.. they
> worked better
> than I
> >expected under the absolute worst conditions possible
> (completely turned to
> the
> >lock front tires).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>Joe
> >West</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><BLOCKQUOTE
> >style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
> #0000ff 2px solid">
> > <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
> face=Tahoma
> > size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Nick
> > [mailto:nnote@a...]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday,
> September 09, 2001 10:45
> > PM<BR><B>To:</B> AZVJC<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [az_vjc]
> Trip report: Cheap
> > Trick...carnage for all<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So what do you think of the hub fuses
> > Joe?</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nick</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <BLOCKQUOTE
> > style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
> BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> > <DIV
> > style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
> black"><B>From:</B>
> > <A title=scottkruize@e...
> > href="mailto:scottkruize@e...">Scott Kruize</A> </DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
> title=az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > href="mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com">AZVJC</A> </DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday,
> September 09, 2001 6:48
> > PM</DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [az_vjc]
> Trip report: Cheap
> > Trick...carnage for all</DIV>
> > <DIV><BR></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
> > class=410375900-10092001>Hello!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
> class=410375900-10092001>What a
> > great run. We had Sharky and his wife Stacy, Joe West
> with bride-to-be
> > Joyce, and myself with Jake Wagner (aka Bobberman) riding
> shotgun. The
> > trail turned out to be a </SPAN>class 4.5 going up
> and 5 coming down.
> > Everybody came out with damage coming down, but none
> going up.There is a
> > fence on the top of this one and a road crosses the wash
> just past the
> > fence. There is a gate going <SPAN
> class=410375900-10092001>up</SPAN>
> > in the <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>near </SPAN>future.
> Unfortunately
> > not soon enough...<Grin></FONT></FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Joe West tweaked his <SPAN
> > class=410375900-10092001>roof </SPAN>rack, the step on
> his left side flat
> > fender<SPAN class=410375900-10092001> got some mild
> > damage</SPAN>, <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>he
> </SPAN>blew a ujoint
> > on one side, and a hub fuse on the other. </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sharky damaged his rear
> tailgate. It got
> pretty
> > tweaked. </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
> class=410375900-10092001>I
> > </SPAN>damaged the passenger flat fender<SPAN
> class=410375900-10092001>
> > today</SPAN>. Now I need to rework them. Not even 12 hours old I
> managed to
> > damage one :( <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>I
> </SPAN>damaged the
> > fender when the RE Extreme Duty track bar taco'd sending
> my fender into
> the
> > rock. </FONT></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><TT>Your use of Yahoo!
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30939 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 10:16pm
Subject: RE: Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
Joe,
You definitely have the flame-o-matic in high gear right now.
LOL,
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@h...]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:42 PM
To: 'lynch'
Cc: fmw@q...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
Yes my son... YES!!! YES!!!
Tow straps forever! Long live open diffs!
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lynch [mailto:lynch@v...]
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:31 PM
> To: Joe W
> Cc: fmw@q...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
>
>
> Whats next after this? "Tow straps forever! Long live open diffs!" ?
>
> -lynch
>
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 09:24:28PM -0700, Joe W wrote:
> > Fred,
> >
> > I have ARB air lockers front and rear... they aren't
> bothered one bit by hub
> > fuses <grin>.... but of course, they are REAL lockers and
> not those cheapy
> > "automatic" lockers like the Detroit. I like to shift
> using a manual
> > transmission and I like to shift my lockers on and off...
> nothing automatic
> > about my Jeep... manual everything. <grin>.
> >
> > Now... I can't wait to hear the whining from all the
> Detroit locker guys and
> > gals out there... come on... you know you want to make some
> comment about me
> > needing a compressor and airlines that leak and seals that
> leak and the
> > like... do it... just make your comment.. come on... I dare you....
> >
> > hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
> >
> > ARBs and OX Lockers RULE and ANY sissy "Automatic" locker
> SUCKS!!! (as do
> > SISSY automatic transmissions like the ARCA people use...
> sissys all of
> > them... nothing like us real MANLY men who use MANUAL
> transmissions and
> > MANUAL lockers)
> >
> >
> > Joe West
> > Causing trouble
> > Trying to get a rise out of Daddy Splay Legs
> > or anyone...
> >
> > <grin>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: fmw@q... [mailto:fmw@q...]
> > > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 7:27 AM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe, are you locked in the front. I understand that the
> fuses are not
> > > recommended for Detroits in the front as they can trash the
> > > Detriot. In the
> > > last issue of JP they reported of a LocRite in the front that
> > > was trashed
> > > when both front fuses let go. Just wondering.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Fred
> > >
> > >
> > > At 07:01 AM 09/10/2001 -0700, arizonajeep@h... wrote:
> > > >My left hub fuse must have blown at the same time my left
> > > ujoint failed.
> > > >The right fuse blew with one cap on my right ujoint already
> > > turned about 20
> > > >degrees and lifted.
> > > >My wheels were turned almost to the lock so I am impressed
> > > that the fuses
> > > >worked as well as they did. It is fairly clear that the
> > > fuses will *almost*
> > > >protect your ujoints even with the tires at full lock (one
> > > fuse did and one
> > > >didn't). There is no doubt that the fuses will blow first
> > > with the wheels
> > > >straight ahead or even turned. In short, 5 minutes to
> > > replace a hub fuse vs
> > > >45 minutes for an axle... I'll take the fuse any day.
> > > >
> > > >The good news is that both fuses failed before any damage
> > > was done to my
> > > >axles. Even the right hub fuse blew in time to prevent
> > > damage to my axle
> > > >yokes... and the left ujoint didn't fail because the fuse
> > > blew but it was
> > > >damn close to failing.
> > > >
> > > >I wish I had some pictures to show, but I forgot my camera
> > > and Scott's
> > > >camera battery was dead. My jeep was pointed so close
> to 90 degrees
> > > >straight down that Sharky had to dig out sand and gravel to
> > > get to my winch!
> > > >
> > > >I have a spare set of axles I'll be putting in tonight
> and I'll be
> > > >rebuilding the set currently in my Jeep. I am going to be
> > > tack welding the
> > > >caps in after I rebuild the axles... and the next time I
> > > rebuild them I'll
> > > >just use my dremel to remove the tack welds. The next time
> > > I have a u-joint
> > > >fail it will not be because the caps turned and came out...
> > > it will be
> > > >because I twisted the entire ujoint in half or twisted my
> > > axle splines
> > > ><grin>.
> > > >
> > > >Scott did a pretty good job in his short writeup. It
> was amazing how
> > > >difficult it was to descend that waterfall... perhaps with
> > > 38+ inch tires it
> > > >would be easier. Sharky came out with the least damage (4
> > > cylinder and D35C
> > > ><grin>) and I believe that Scott's problem was caused by a
> > > defective front
> > > >track bar (look at the picture of how it was bent... did RE
> > > forget to use
> > > >chrome-moly?).
> > > >
> > > >I guess this was a pretty long answer to a short question...
> > > but to answer
> > > >your question Nick; I won't be driving without the fuses..
> > > they worked
> > > >better than I expected under the absolute worst
> conditions possible
> > > >(completely turned to the lock front tires).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Joe West
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Nick [mailto:nnote@a...]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 10:45 PM
> > > > To: AZVJC
> > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap
> Trick...carnage for all
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So what do you think of the hub fuses Joe?
> > > > Nick
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Scott Kruize
> > > > To: AZVJC
> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 6:48 PM
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello!
> > > >
> > > > What a great run. We had Sharky and his wife Stacy,
> Joe West with
> > > >bride-to-be Joyce, and myself with Jake Wagner (aka
> Bobberman) riding
> > > >shotgun. The trail turned out to be a class 4.5 going up and
> > > 5 coming down.
> > > >Everybody came out with damage coming down, but none going
> > > up.There is a
> > > >fence on the top of this one and a road crosses the wash
> > > just past the
> > > >fence. There is a gate going up in the near future.
> > > Unfortunately not soon
> > >
30917 From: AzVJC Website <twistedxj@h...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 8:00pm
Subject: [FS] longacre raceing scales
Price: 1000
Contact: twistedxj@hotmail.com
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30918 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 6:53pm
Subject: RE: Daddy Splay Legs... was: RE: [FS] Wanted: Looking for a 14' round trampoline for my kid.
Joe,
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-----Original Message-----
From: JW [mailto:joew@avanticorp.com]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 5:07 AM
To: 'DesertJeep'; 'Az_Vjc'; osmtj@yahoo.com
Subject: Daddy Splay Legs... was: RE: [az_vjc] [FS] Wanted: Looking for a 14' round trampoline for my kid.
After this weekend, Scott's rig's new nickname is:
"Daddy splay legs"
hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 4:58 PM
To: 'Az_Vjc'; osmtj@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [FS] Wanted: Looking for a 14' round trampoline for my kid.
Hey... That is what Scott needed when his Track Bar tacoed! His new flat fender mod would have been safe if he could have just bounced right back up that waterfall on Cheap Trick. :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:50 PM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] Wanted: Looking for a 14' round trampoline for my kid.
Price: ?
Contact: blainedepue@yahoo.com
Anyone have a trampoline sitting in the back yard not being used???? I might be interested in it!
Thanks,
Blaine
Blaine DePue
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30919 From: AzVJC Website <twistedxj@h...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 8:03pm
Subject: [FS] ford superduty running boards
Price: make me an offer
Contact: twistedxj@hotmail.com
a set of running boards off of my superduty.great shape.
30920 From: <JNB4PLS@a...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 8:01pm
Subject: Need Knuckles for TJ
I am in need of the knuckles for the Dana 30 in my 2000 TJ. No ABS.
I have found them at 4x4 salvage on Broadway in Phoenix for $75.00
each.
Are there any other salvage yards that I might check with that would
possibly have these? Anyone out there got any that they would part
with?
Thanks in advance for the help.
Regards,
John Butler
30921 From: AzVJC Website <twistedxj@h...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 8:02pm
Subject: [FS] braco race car trailer
Price: 4000
Contact: twistedxj@hotmail.com
a it is a 28 foot braco race car trailer,will work great for a jeep with only minor adj.email me if you have any questions.
30922 From: <JNB4PLS@a...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 8:05pm
Subject: Member sighting on 60
I passed you without waving, I was cruising enjoying the music. It's
not often that you can cruise on US60 at 6:15pm. You were in the
Reddish TJ, no doors, black wheels I beleive. Nice rig. I was in the
red TJ, Black safari top and duster with the loud stereo, no AZVJC
stickers.
Here's your wave.
John Butler
30923 From: AzVJC Website <twistedxj@h...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 7:58pm
Subject: [FS] jeep williys grill
Price: make em an offer
Contact: twistedxj@hotmail.com
it is a grill off of a 45 willies.
30924 From: <FLEXYXJ@a...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 4:15pm
Subject: Re: Alumi-Flex Tie Rod?
See how you are STU??? I get all of that stuff nice and pretty and STRAIGHT
then you gotta go "off-roadin" and just screw it all up....hmmm you jeep guys
can be weird....LOL!!!!! Hope you got it all straightend out stu......:)
FlexyXJ
30925 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 8:41pm
Subject: Re: need information
If you need an adapter, I recommend these people:
Novak Conversions
www.novak-adapt.com
info@n...
877.602.1500 or 435.753.2513
fax:435.787.0452
It's kind of hard to tell if you are looking for info or sources from your
email.
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: <tazjc500@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 7:01 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] need information
> Hi guys,
> I have a 84 CJ7, 258, T5, and i believe everything is stock. Just
> rewire with a painless wiring kit. Will be putting in a 2.5"
> superlift suspenision kits. Does anybody out there have any
> information for a engine swap, e.g. where to find a reliable one, and
> which is a better model or company to go with. Or any information
> that could proivde any help would be appreicated.
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
30926 From: AzVJC Website <ebnhils@e...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 8:55pm
Subject: [FS] LOCKER
Price: $200.00
Contact: ebnhils@earthlink.net
Detroit EZ-Locker for rear Dana 35 new in box
Eben Hobson
30927 From: AzVJC Website <azxjman@h...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 8:12pm
Subject: [FS] Wanted xj roof rack with cutter mounts
Price:
Contact: Peter
Peter (Moose) Zuleger
30928 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 8:59pm
Subject: [FS] FOR SALE Tie Rod for a T.J. Brand new
Price: $40.00
Contact: EvilWarlock@aaahawk.com **Real name is Kevin**LoL
This is a brand new tie rod arm from the dealership. Was only on vehicle for 1 week, upgraded to a steel rock tie rod. No longer need factory rod, still has sticker on rod.
Kevin Kilroy
30929 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 9:24pm
Subject: RE: Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
Fred,
I have ARB air lockers front and rear... they aren't bothered one bit by hub
fuses <grin>.... but of course, they are REAL lockers and not those cheapy
"automatic" lockers like the Detroit. I like to shift using a manual
transmission and I like to shift my lockers on and off... nothing automatic
about my Jeep... manual everything. <grin>.
Now... I can't wait to hear the whining from all the Detroit locker guys and
gals out there... come on... you know you want to make some comment about me
needing a compressor and airlines that leak and seals that leak and the
like... do it... just make your comment.. come on... I dare you....
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
ARBs and OX Lockers RULE and ANY sissy "Automatic" locker SUCKS!!! (as do
SISSY automatic transmissions like the ARCA people use... sissys all of
them... nothing like us real MANLY men who use MANUAL transmissions and
MANUAL lockers)
Joe West
Causing trouble
Trying to get a rise out of Daddy Splay Legs
or anyone...
<grin>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fmw@q... [mailto:fmw@q...]
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 7:27 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
>
>
> Joe, are you locked in the front. I understand that the fuses are not
> recommended for Detroits in the front as they can trash the
> Detriot. In the
> last issue of JP they reported of a LocRite in the front that
> was trashed
> when both front fuses let go. Just wondering.
>
> Thanks,
> Fred
>
>
> At 07:01 AM 09/10/2001 -0700, arizonajeep@h... wrote:
> >My left hub fuse must have blown at the same time my left
> ujoint failed.
> >The right fuse blew with one cap on my right ujoint already
> turned about 20
> >degrees and lifted.
> >My wheels were turned almost to the lock so I am impressed
> that the fuses
> >worked as well as they did. It is fairly clear that the
> fuses will *almost*
> >protect your ujoints even with the tires at full lock (one
> fuse did and one
> >didn't). There is no doubt that the fuses will blow first
> with the wheels
> >straight ahead or even turned. In short, 5 minutes to
> replace a hub fuse vs
> >45 minutes for an axle... I'll take the fuse any day.
> >
> >The good news is that both fuses failed before any damage
> was done to my
> >axles. Even the right hub fuse blew in time to prevent
> damage to my axle
> >yokes... and the left ujoint didn't fail because the fuse
> blew but it was
> >damn close to failing.
> >
> >I wish I had some pictures to show, but I forgot my camera
> and Scott's
> >camera battery was dead. My jeep was pointed so close to 90 degrees
> >straight down that Sharky had to dig out sand and gravel to
> get to my winch!
> >
> >I have a spare set of axles I'll be putting in tonight and I'll be
> >rebuilding the set currently in my Jeep. I am going to be
> tack welding the
> >caps in after I rebuild the axles... and the next time I
> rebuild them I'll
> >just use my dremel to remove the tack welds. The next time
> I have a u-joint
> >fail it will not be because the caps turned and came out...
> it will be
> >because I twisted the entire ujoint in half or twisted my
> axle splines
> ><grin>.
> >
> >Scott did a pretty good job in his short writeup. It was amazing how
> >difficult it was to descend that waterfall... perhaps with
> 38+ inch tires it
> >would be easier. Sharky came out with the least damage (4
> cylinder and D35C
> ><grin>) and I believe that Scott's problem was caused by a
> defective front
> >track bar (look at the picture of how it was bent... did RE
> forget to use
> >chrome-moly?).
> >
> >I guess this was a pretty long answer to a short question...
> but to answer
> >your question Nick; I won't be driving without the fuses..
> they worked
> >better than I expected under the absolute worst conditions possible
> >(completely turned to the lock front tires).
> >
> >
> >Joe West
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nick [mailto:nnote@a...]
> > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 10:45 PM
> > To: AZVJC
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
> >
> >
> > So what do you think of the hub fuses Joe?
> > Nick
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Kruize
> > To: AZVJC
> > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 6:48 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
> >
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > What a great run. We had Sharky and his wife Stacy, Joe West with
> >bride-to-be Joyce, and myself with Jake Wagner (aka Bobberman) riding
> >shotgun. The trail turned out to be a class 4.5 going up and
> 5 coming down.
> >Everybody came out with damage coming down, but none going
> up.There is a
> >fence on the top of this one and a road crosses the wash
> just past the
> >fence. There is a gate going up in the near future.
> Unfortunately not soon
> >enough...<Grin>
> >
> > Joe West tweaked his roof rack, the step on his left
> side flat fender
> >got some mild damage, he blew a ujoint on one side, and a
> hub fuse on the
> >other.
> >
> > Sharky damaged his rear tailgate. It got pretty tweaked.
> >
> > I damaged the passenger flat fender today. Now I need to
> rework them.
> >Not even 12 hours old I managed to damage one :( I damaged
> the fender when
> >the RE Extreme Duty track bar taco'd sending my fender into the rock.
> >
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> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>My
> >left hub fuse must have blown at the same time my left
> ujoint failed.
> The
> >right fuse blew with one cap on my right ujoint already
> turned about 20
> degrees
> >and lifted.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>My
> >wheels were turned almost to the lock so I am impressed that
> the fuses
> worked as
> >well as they did. It is fairly clear that the fuses
> will *almost*
> protect
> >your ujoints even with the tires at full lock (one fuse did and one
> >didn't). There is no doubt that the fuses will blow
> first with the
> wheels
> >straight ahead or even turned. In short, 5 minutes to
> replace a hub fuse
> >vs 45 minutes for an axle... I'll take the fuse any
> day.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>The
> >good news is that both fuses failed before any damage was done to my
> >axles. Even the right hub fuse blew in time to prevent
> damage to my axle
> >yokes... and the left ujoint didn't fail because the fuse
> blew but it was damn
> >close to failing. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>I
> wish
> >I had some pictures to show, but I forgot my camera and
> Scott's camera battery
> >was dead. My jeep was pointed so close to 90 degrees
> straight down that
> >Sharky had to dig out sand and gravel to get to my winch!
> ></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>I
> have
> >a spare set of axles I'll be putting in tonight and I'll be
> rebuilding the set
> >currently in my Jeep. I am going to be tack welding
> the caps in after I
> >rebuild the axles... and the next time I rebuild them I'll
> just use my
> dremel to
> >remove the tack welds. The next time I have a u-joint
> fail it will
> not be
> >because the caps turned and came out... it will be because I
> twisted the
> entire
> >ujoint in half or twisted my axle splines
> <grin>.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> size=2>Scott
> >did a pretty good job in his short writeup. It was
> amazing how difficult
> >it was to descend that waterfall... perhaps with 38+ inch
> tires it would be
> >easier. Sharky came out with the least damage (4
> cylinder and D35C
> ><grin>) and I believe that Scott's problem was caused
> by a defective
> front
> >track bar (look at the picture of how it was bent...
> did RE forget to use
> >chrome-moly?). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>I
> >guess this was a pretty long answer to a short question...
> but to answer your
> >question Nick; I won't be driving without the fuses.. they
> worked better
> than I
> >expected under the absolute worst conditions possible
> (completely turned to
> the
> >lock front tires).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>Joe
> >West</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><BLOCKQUOTE
> >style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
> #0000ff 2px solid">
> > <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
> face=Tahoma
> > size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Nick
> > [mailto:nnote@a...]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday,
> September 09, 2001 10:45
> > PM<BR><B>To:</B> AZVJC<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [az_vjc]
> Trip report: Cheap
> > Trick...carnage for all<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So what do you think of the hub fuses
> > Joe?</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nick</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <BLOCKQUOTE
> > style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
> BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> > <DIV
> > style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
> black"><B>From:</B>
> > <A title=scottkruize@e...
> > href="mailto:scottkruize@e...">Scott Kruize</A> </DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
> title=az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > href="mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com">AZVJC</A> </DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday,
> September 09, 2001 6:48
> > PM</DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [az_vjc]
> Trip report: Cheap
> > Trick...carnage for all</DIV>
> > <DIV><BR></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
> > class=410375900-10092001>Hello!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
> class=410375900-10092001>What a
> > great run. We had Sharky and his wife Stacy, Joe West
> with bride-to-be
> > Joyce, and myself with Jake Wagner (aka Bobberman) riding
> shotgun. The
> > trail turned out to be a </SPAN>class 4.5 going up
> and 5 coming down.
> > Everybody came out with damage coming down, but none
> going up.There is a
> > fence on the top of this one and a road crosses the wash
> just past the
> > fence. There is a gate going <SPAN
> class=410375900-10092001>up</SPAN>
> > in the <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>near </SPAN>future.
> Unfortunately
> > not soon enough...<Grin></FONT></FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Joe West tweaked his <SPAN
> > class=410375900-10092001>roof </SPAN>rack, the step on
> his left side flat
> > fender<SPAN class=410375900-10092001> got some mild
> > damage</SPAN>, <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>he
> </SPAN>blew a ujoint
> > on one side, and a hub fuse on the other. </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sharky damaged his rear
> tailgate. It got
> pretty
> > tweaked. </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
> class=410375900-10092001>I
> > </SPAN>damaged the passenger flat fender<SPAN
> class=410375900-10092001>
> > today</SPAN>. Now I need to rework them. Not even 12 hours old I
> managed to
> > damage one :( <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>I
> </SPAN>damaged the
> > fender when the RE Extreme Duty track bar taco'd sending
> my fender into
> the
> > rock. </FONT></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><TT>Your use of Yahoo!
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30930 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 9:33pm
Subject: RE: Daddy Splay Legs... was: RE: [FS] Wanted: Looking for a 14' round trampoline for my kid.
Scott,
Don't you get it? Clumsy... spread or turned out (like your front tires)... clumsy as in unable to steer... body and wheels going helter skelter this way and that... it's a perfect name for you this weekend... awkward as in all those bushes you ran over as I towed you... get it???????????
(by the way... I didn't laugh even once as I watched you drive over all those endangered bushes as I was towing you around all those left hand turns)
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 6:53 PM
To: joew@avanticorp.com; 'DesertJeep'; 'Az_Vjc'; osmtj@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Daddy Splay Legs... was: RE: [az_vjc] [FS] Wanted: Looking for a 14' round trampoline for my kid.
Joe,
WTF?????????????????????????????????????????????
splay (spl)
adj.
Spread or turned out.
Clumsy or clumsily formed; awkward.
n. Architecture
An oblique angle or bevel given to the sides of an opening in a wall so that the opening is wider on one side of the wall than on the other.
v. splayed, splay·ing, splays
v. tr.
To spread (the limbs, for example) out or apart, especially clumsily.
To make slanting or sloping; bevel.
To dislocate (a bone). Used of an animal.
v. intr.
To be spread out or apart.
To slant or slope.
-----Original Message-----
From: JW [mailto:joew@avanticorp.com]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 5:07 AM
To: 'DesertJeep'; 'Az_Vjc'; osmtj@yahoo.com
Subject: Daddy Splay Legs... was: RE: [az_vjc] [FS] Wanted: Looking for a 14' round trampoline for my kid.
After this weekend, Scott's rig's new nickname is:
"Daddy splay legs"
hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 4:58 PM
To: 'Az_Vjc'; osmtj@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [FS] Wanted: Looking for a 14' round trampoline for my kid.
Hey... That is what Scott needed when his Track Bar tacoed! His new flat fender mod would have been safe if he could have just bounced right back up that waterfall on Cheap Trick. :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:50 PM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] Wanted: Looking for a 14' round trampoline for my kid.
Price: ?
Contact: blainedepue@yahoo.com
Anyone have a trampoline sitting in the back yard not being used???? I might be interested in it!
Thanks,
Blaine
Blaine DePue
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30931 From: lynch <lynch@v...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 9:30pm
Subject: Re: Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
Whats next after this? "Tow straps forever! Long live open diffs!" ?
-lynch
On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 09:24:28PM -0700, Joe W wrote:
> Fred,
>
> I have ARB air lockers front and rear... they aren't bothered one bit by hub
> fuses <grin>.... but of course, they are REAL lockers and not those cheapy
> "automatic" lockers like the Detroit. I like to shift using a manual
> transmission and I like to shift my lockers on and off... nothing automatic
> about my Jeep... manual everything. <grin>.
>
> Now... I can't wait to hear the whining from all the Detroit locker guys and
> gals out there... come on... you know you want to make some comment about me
> needing a compressor and airlines that leak and seals that leak and the
> like... do it... just make your comment.. come on... I dare you....
>
> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>
> ARBs and OX Lockers RULE and ANY sissy "Automatic" locker SUCKS!!! (as do
> SISSY automatic transmissions like the ARCA people use... sissys all of
> them... nothing like us real MANLY men who use MANUAL transmissions and
> MANUAL lockers)
>
>
> Joe West
> Causing trouble
> Trying to get a rise out of Daddy Splay Legs
> or anyone...
>
> <grin>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: fmw@q... [mailto:fmw@q...]
> > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 7:27 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
> >
> >
> > Joe, are you locked in the front. I understand that the fuses are not
> > recommended for Detroits in the front as they can trash the
> > Detriot. In the
> > last issue of JP they reported of a LocRite in the front that
> > was trashed
> > when both front fuses let go. Just wondering.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Fred
> >
> >
> > At 07:01 AM 09/10/2001 -0700, arizonajeep@h... wrote:
> > >My left hub fuse must have blown at the same time my left
> > ujoint failed.
> > >The right fuse blew with one cap on my right ujoint already
> > turned about 20
> > >degrees and lifted.
> > >My wheels were turned almost to the lock so I am impressed
> > that the fuses
> > >worked as well as they did. It is fairly clear that the
> > fuses will *almost*
> > >protect your ujoints even with the tires at full lock (one
> > fuse did and one
> > >didn't). There is no doubt that the fuses will blow first
> > with the wheels
> > >straight ahead or even turned. In short, 5 minutes to
> > replace a hub fuse vs
> > >45 minutes for an axle... I'll take the fuse any day.
> > >
> > >The good news is that both fuses failed before any damage
> > was done to my
> > >axles. Even the right hub fuse blew in time to prevent
> > damage to my axle
> > >yokes... and the left ujoint didn't fail because the fuse
> > blew but it was
> > >damn close to failing.
> > >
> > >I wish I had some pictures to show, but I forgot my camera
> > and Scott's
> > >camera battery was dead. My jeep was pointed so close to 90 degrees
> > >straight down that Sharky had to dig out sand and gravel to
> > get to my winch!
> > >
> > >I have a spare set of axles I'll be putting in tonight and I'll be
> > >rebuilding the set currently in my Jeep. I am going to be
> > tack welding the
> > >caps in after I rebuild the axles... and the next time I
> > rebuild them I'll
> > >just use my dremel to remove the tack welds. The next time
> > I have a u-joint
> > >fail it will not be because the caps turned and came out...
> > it will be
> > >because I twisted the entire ujoint in half or twisted my
> > axle splines
> > ><grin>.
> > >
> > >Scott did a pretty good job in his short writeup. It was amazing how
> > >difficult it was to descend that waterfall... perhaps with
> > 38+ inch tires it
> > >would be easier. Sharky came out with the least damage (4
> > cylinder and D35C
> > ><grin>) and I believe that Scott's problem was caused by a
> > defective front
> > >track bar (look at the picture of how it was bent... did RE
> > forget to use
> > >chrome-moly?).
> > >
> > >I guess this was a pretty long answer to a short question...
> > but to answer
> > >your question Nick; I won't be driving without the fuses..
> > they worked
> > >better than I expected under the absolute worst conditions possible
> > >(completely turned to the lock front tires).
> > >
> > >
> > >Joe West
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Nick [mailto:nnote@a...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 10:45 PM
> > > To: AZVJC
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
> > >
> > >
> > > So what do you think of the hub fuses Joe?
> > > Nick
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Scott Kruize
> > > To: AZVJC
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 6:48 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello!
> > >
> > > What a great run. We had Sharky and his wife Stacy, Joe West with
> > >bride-to-be Joyce, and myself with Jake Wagner (aka Bobberman) riding
> > >shotgun. The trail turned out to be a class 4.5 going up and
> > 5 coming down.
> > >Everybody came out with damage coming down, but none going
> > up.There is a
> > >fence on the top of this one and a road crosses the wash
> > just past the
> > >fence. There is a gate going up in the near future.
> > Unfortunately not soon
> > >enough...<Grin>
> > >
> > > Joe West tweaked his roof rack, the step on his left
> > side flat fender
> > >got some mild damage, he blew a ujoint on one side, and a
> > hub fuse on the
> > >other.
> > >
> > > Sharky damaged his rear tailgate. It got pretty tweaked.
> > >
> > > I damaged the passenger flat fender today. Now I need to
> > rework them.
> > >Not even 12 hours old I managed to damage one :( I damaged
> > the fender when
> > >the RE Extreme Duty track bar taco'd sending my fender into the rock.
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms
> > of Service.
> > >
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> > ><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html;
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> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > color=#0000ff size=2>My
> > >left hub fuse must have blown at the same time my left
> > ujoint failed.
> > The
> > >right fuse blew with one cap on my right ujoint already
> > turned about 20
> > degrees
> > >and lifted.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > color=#0000ff size=2>My
> > >wheels were turned almost to the lock so I am impressed that
> > the fuses
> > worked as
> > >well as they did. It is fairly clear that the fuses
> > will *almost*
> > protect
> > >your ujoints even with the tires at full lock (one fuse did and one
> > >didn't). There is no doubt that the fuses will blow
> > first with the
> > wheels
> > >straight ahead or even turned. In short, 5 minutes to
> > replace a hub fuse
> > >vs 45 minutes for an axle... I'll take the fuse any
> > day.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > color=#0000ff size=2>The
> > >good news is that both fuses failed before any damage was done to my
> > >axles. Even the right hub fuse blew in time to prevent
> > damage to my axle
> > >yokes... and the left ujoint didn't fail because the fuse
> > blew but it was damn
> > >close to failing. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > color=#0000ff size=2>I
> > wish
> > >I had some pictures to show, but I forgot my camera and
> > Scott's camera battery
> > >was dead. My jeep was pointed so close to 90 degrees
> > straight down that
> > >Sharky had to dig out sand and gravel to get to my winch!
> > ></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > color=#0000ff size=2>I
> > have
> > >a spare set of axles I'll be putting in tonight and I'll be
> > rebuilding the set
> > >currently in my Jeep. I am going to be tack welding
> > the caps in after I
> > >rebuild the axles... and the next time I rebuild them I'll
> > just use my
> > dremel to
> > >remove the tack welds. The next time I have a u-joint
> > fail it will
> > not be
> > >because the caps turned and came out... it will be because I
> > twisted the
> > entire
> > >ujoint in half or twisted my axle splines
> > <grin>.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > size=2>Scott
> > >did a pretty good job in his short writeup. It was
> > amazing how difficult
> > >it was to descend that waterfall... perhaps with 38+ inch
> > tires it would be
> > >easier. Sharky came out with the least damage (4
> > cylinder and D35C
> > ><grin>) and I believe that Scott's problem was caused
> > by a defective
> > front
> > >track bar (look at the picture of how it was bent...
> > did RE forget to use
> > >chrome-moly?). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > color=#0000ff size=2>I
> > >guess this was a pretty long answer to a short question...
> > but to answer your
> > >question Nick; I won't be driving without the fuses.. they
> > worked better
> > than I
> > >expected under the absolute worst conditions possible
> > (completely turned to
> > the
> > >lock front tires).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > color=#0000ff size=2>Joe
> > >West</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > ><BLOCKQUOTE
> > >style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
> > #0000ff 2px solid">
> > > <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
> > face=Tahoma
> > > size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Nick
> > > [mailto:nnote@a...]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday,
> > September 09, 2001 10:45
> > > PM<BR><B>To:</B> AZVJC<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [az_vjc]
> > Trip report: Cheap
> > > Trick...carnage for all<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So what do you think of the hub fuses
> > > Joe?</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nick</FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV> </DIV>
> > > <BLOCKQUOTE
> > > style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
> > BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> > > <DIV
> > > style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
> > black"><B>From:</B>
> > > <A title=scottkruize@e...
> > > href="mailto:scottkruize@e...">Scott Kruize</A> </DIV>
> > > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
> > title=az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > href="mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com">AZVJC</A> </DIV>
> > > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday,
> > September 09, 2001 6:48
> > > PM</DIV>
> > > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [az_vjc]
> > Trip report: Cheap
> > > Trick...carnage for all</DIV>
> > > <DIV><BR></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
> > > class=410375900-10092001>Hello!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
> > class=410375900-10092001>What a
> > > great run. We had Sharky and his wife Stacy, Joe West
> > with bride-to-be
> > > Joyce, and myself with Jake Wagner (aka Bobberman) riding
> > shotgun. The
> > > trail turned out to be a </SPAN>class 4.5 going up
> > and 5 coming down.
> > > Everybody came out with damage coming down, but none
> > going up.There is a
> > > fence on the top of this one and a road crosses the wash
> > just past the
> > > fence. There is a gate going <SPAN
> > class=410375900-10092001>up</SPAN>
> > > in the <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>near </SPAN>future.
> > Unfortunately
> > > not soon enough...<Grin></FONT></FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Joe West tweaked his <SPAN
> > > class=410375900-10092001>roof </SPAN>rack, the step on
> > his left side flat
> > > fender<SPAN class=410375900-10092001> got some mild
> > > damage</SPAN>, <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>he
> > </SPAN>blew a ujoint
> > > on one side, and a hub fuse on the other. </FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV> </DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sharky damaged his rear
> > tailgate. It got
> > pretty
> > > tweaked. </FONT></DIV>
> > > <DIV> </DIV>
> > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
> > class=410375900-10092001>I
> > > </SPAN>damaged the passenger flat fender<SPAN
> > class=410375900-10092001>
> > > today</SPAN>. Now I need to rework them. Not even 12 hours old I
> > managed to
> > > damage one :( <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>I
> > </SPAN>damaged the
> > > fender when the RE Extreme Duty track bar taco'd sending
> > my fender into
> > the
> > > rock. </FONT></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><TT>Your use of Yahoo!
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> > >
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30932 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 5:38pm
Subject: Re: Daddy Splay Legs... was: RE: [FS] Wanted: Looking for a 14' roun...
Hes telling the truth Scott, he wasnt laughing...it was me :)
Just playing with ya
Sharky
30933 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 9:23pm
Subject: New Stock TJ Tie Rod Ends
Does anyone know for a fact any places in the valley that have them
in stock? I'll be doing the usual calling of part stores, but if
anyone knows of any place that has them it would save me some time.
Thanks,
Dan
30934 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 9:41pm
Subject: RE: Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
Yes my son... YES!!! YES!!!
Tow straps forever! Long live open diffs!
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lynch [mailto:lynch@v...]
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:31 PM
> To: Joe W
> Cc: fmw@q...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
>
>
> Whats next after this? "Tow straps forever! Long live open diffs!" ?
>
> -lynch
>
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 09:24:28PM -0700, Joe W wrote:
> > Fred,
> >
> > I have ARB air lockers front and rear... they aren't
> bothered one bit by hub
> > fuses <grin>.... but of course, they are REAL lockers and
> not those cheapy
> > "automatic" lockers like the Detroit. I like to shift
> using a manual
> > transmission and I like to shift my lockers on and off...
> nothing automatic
> > about my Jeep... manual everything. <grin>.
> >
> > Now... I can't wait to hear the whining from all the
> Detroit locker guys and
> > gals out there... come on... you know you want to make some
> comment about me
> > needing a compressor and airlines that leak and seals that
> leak and the
> > like... do it... just make your comment.. come on... I dare you....
> >
> > hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
> >
> > ARBs and OX Lockers RULE and ANY sissy "Automatic" locker
> SUCKS!!! (as do
> > SISSY automatic transmissions like the ARCA people use...
> sissys all of
> > them... nothing like us real MANLY men who use MANUAL
> transmissions and
> > MANUAL lockers)
> >
> >
> > Joe West
> > Causing trouble
> > Trying to get a rise out of Daddy Splay Legs
> > or anyone...
> >
> > <grin>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: fmw@q... [mailto:fmw@q...]
> > > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 7:27 AM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe, are you locked in the front. I understand that the
> fuses are not
> > > recommended for Detroits in the front as they can trash the
> > > Detriot. In the
> > > last issue of JP they reported of a LocRite in the front that
> > > was trashed
> > > when both front fuses let go. Just wondering.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Fred
> > >
> > >
> > > At 07:01 AM 09/10/2001 -0700, arizonajeep@h... wrote:
> > > >My left hub fuse must have blown at the same time my left
> > > ujoint failed.
> > > >The right fuse blew with one cap on my right ujoint already
> > > turned about 20
> > > >degrees and lifted.
> > > >My wheels were turned almost to the lock so I am impressed
> > > that the fuses
> > > >worked as well as they did. It is fairly clear that the
> > > fuses will *almost*
> > > >protect your ujoints even with the tires at full lock (one
> > > fuse did and one
> > > >didn't). There is no doubt that the fuses will blow first
> > > with the wheels
> > > >straight ahead or even turned. In short, 5 minutes to
> > > replace a hub fuse vs
> > > >45 minutes for an axle... I'll take the fuse any day.
> > > >
> > > >The good news is that both fuses failed before any damage
> > > was done to my
> > > >axles. Even the right hub fuse blew in time to prevent
> > > damage to my axle
> > > >yokes... and the left ujoint didn't fail because the fuse
> > > blew but it was
> > > >damn close to failing.
> > > >
> > > >I wish I had some pictures to show, but I forgot my camera
> > > and Scott's
> > > >camera battery was dead. My jeep was pointed so close
> to 90 degrees
> > > >straight down that Sharky had to dig out sand and gravel to
> > > get to my winch!
> > > >
> > > >I have a spare set of axles I'll be putting in tonight
> and I'll be
> > > >rebuilding the set currently in my Jeep. I am going to be
> > > tack welding the
> > > >caps in after I rebuild the axles... and the next time I
> > > rebuild them I'll
> > > >just use my dremel to remove the tack welds. The next time
> > > I have a u-joint
> > > >fail it will not be because the caps turned and came out...
> > > it will be
> > > >because I twisted the entire ujoint in half or twisted my
> > > axle splines
> > > ><grin>.
> > > >
> > > >Scott did a pretty good job in his short writeup. It
> was amazing how
> > > >difficult it was to descend that waterfall... perhaps with
> > > 38+ inch tires it
> > > >would be easier. Sharky came out with the least damage (4
> > > cylinder and D35C
> > > ><grin>) and I believe that Scott's problem was caused by a
> > > defective front
> > > >track bar (look at the picture of how it was bent... did RE
> > > forget to use
> > > >chrome-moly?).
> > > >
> > > >I guess this was a pretty long answer to a short question...
> > > but to answer
> > > >your question Nick; I won't be driving without the fuses..
> > > they worked
> > > >better than I expected under the absolute worst
> conditions possible
> > > >(completely turned to the lock front tires).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Joe West
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Nick [mailto:nnote@a...]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 10:45 PM
> > > > To: AZVJC
> > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap
> Trick...carnage for all
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So what do you think of the hub fuses Joe?
> > > > Nick
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Scott Kruize
> > > > To: AZVJC
> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 6:48 PM
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello!
> > > >
> > > > What a great run. We had Sharky and his wife Stacy,
> Joe West with
> > > >bride-to-be Joyce, and myself with Jake Wagner (aka
> Bobberman) riding
> > > >shotgun. The trail turned out to be a class 4.5 going up and
> > > 5 coming down.
> > > >Everybody came out with damage coming down, but none going
> > > up.There is a
> > > >fence on the top of this one and a road crosses the wash
> > > just past the
> > > >fence. There is a gate going up in the near future.
> > > Unfortunately not soon
> > > >enough...<Grin>
> > > >
> > > > Joe West tweaked his roof rack, the step on his left
> > > side flat fender
> > > >got some mild damage, he blew a ujoint on one side, and a
> > > hub fuse on the
> > > >other.
> > > >
> > > > Sharky damaged his rear tailgate. It got pretty tweaked.
> > > >
> > > > I damaged the passenger flat fender today. Now I need to
> > > rework them.
> > > >Not even 12 hours old I managed to damage one :( I damaged
> > > the fender when
> > > >the RE Extreme Duty track bar taco'd sending my fender
> into the rock.
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms
> > > of Service.
> > > >
> > > ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> > > ><HTML><HEAD>
> > > ><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html;
> > > charset=iso-8859-1">
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> > > ><BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > > color=#0000ff size=2>My
> > > >left hub fuse must have blown at the same time my left
> > > ujoint failed.
> > > The
> > > >right fuse blew with one cap on my right ujoint already
> > > turned about 20
> > > degrees
> > > >and lifted.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > > color=#0000ff size=2>My
> > > >wheels were turned almost to the lock so I am impressed that
> > > the fuses
> > > worked as
> > > >well as they did. It is fairly clear that the fuses
> > > will *almost*
> > > protect
> > > >your ujoints even with the tires at full lock (one fuse
> did and one
> > > >didn't). There is no doubt that the fuses will blow
> > > first with the
> > > wheels
> > > >straight ahead or even turned. In short, 5 minutes to
> > > replace a hub fuse
> > > >vs 45 minutes for an axle... I'll take the fuse any
> > > day.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff
> > > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > > color=#0000ff size=2>The
> > > >good news is that both fuses failed before any damage
> was done to my
> > > >axles. Even the right hub fuse blew in time to prevent
> > > damage to my axle
> > > >yokes... and the left ujoint didn't fail because the fuse
> > > blew but it was damn
> > > >close to failing. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff
> > > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > > color=#0000ff size=2>I
> > > wish
> > > >I had some pictures to show, but I forgot my camera and
> > > Scott's camera battery
> > > >was dead. My jeep was pointed so close to 90 degrees
> > > straight down that
> > > >Sharky had to dig out sand and gravel to get to my winch!
> > > ></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff
> > > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > > color=#0000ff size=2>I
> > > have
> > > >a spare set of axles I'll be putting in tonight and I'll be
> > > rebuilding the set
> > > >currently in my Jeep. I am going to be tack welding
> > > the caps in after I
> > > >rebuild the axles... and the next time I rebuild them I'll
> > > just use my
> > > dremel to
> > > >remove the tack welds. The next time I have a u-joint
> > > fail it will
> > > not be
> > > >because the caps turned and came out... it will be because I
> > > twisted the
> > > entire
> > > >ujoint in half or twisted my axle splines
> > > <grin>.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff
> > > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff
> > > size=2>Scott
> > > >did a pretty good job in his short writeup. It was
> > > amazing how difficult
> > > >it was to descend that waterfall... perhaps with 38+ inch
> > > tires it would be
> > > >easier. Sharky came out with the least damage (4
> > > cylinder and D35C
> > > ><grin>) and I believe that Scott's problem was caused
> > > by a defective
> > > front
> > > >track bar (look at the picture of how it was bent...
> > > did RE forget to use
> > > >chrome-moly?). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff
> > > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > > color=#0000ff size=2>I
> > > >guess this was a pretty long answer to a short question...
> > > but to answer your
> > > >question Nick; I won't be driving without the fuses.. they
> > > worked better
> > > than I
> > > >expected under the absolute worst conditions possible
> > > (completely turned to
> > > the
> > > >lock front tires).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff
> > > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff
> > > >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > > ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> > > color=#0000ff size=2>Joe
> > > >West</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > > ><BLOCKQUOTE
> > > >style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
> > > #0000ff 2px solid">
> > > > <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
> > > face=Tahoma
> > > > size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Nick
> > > > [mailto:nnote@a...]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday,
> > > September 09, 2001 10:45
> > > > PM<BR><B>To:</B> AZVJC<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [az_vjc]
> > > Trip report: Cheap
> > > > Trick...carnage for all<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
> > > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So what do you think of
> the hub fuses
> > > > Joe?</FONT></DIV>
> > > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nick</FONT></DIV>
> > > > <DIV> </DIV>
> > > > <BLOCKQUOTE
> > > > style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
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> > > > <DIV
> > > > style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
> > > black"><B>From:</B>
> > > > <A title=scottkruize@e...
> > > > href="mailto:scottkruize@e...">Scott
> Kruize</A> </DIV>
> > > > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
> > > title=az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > > href="mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com">AZVJC</A> </DIV>
> > > > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday,
> > > September 09, 2001 6:48
> > > > PM</DIV>
> > > > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [az_vjc]
> > > Trip report: Cheap
> > > > Trick...carnage for all</DIV>
> > > > <DIV><BR></DIV>
> > > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
> > > > class=410375900-10092001>Hello!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
> > > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
> > > class=410375900-10092001>What a
> > > > great run. We had Sharky and his wife Stacy, Joe West
> > > with bride-to-be
> > > > Joyce, and myself with Jake Wagner (aka Bobberman) riding
> > > shotgun. The
> > > > trail turned out to be a </SPAN>class 4.5 going up
> > > and 5 coming down.
> > > > Everybody came out with damage coming down, but none
> > > going up.There is a
> > > > fence on the top of this one and a road crosses the wash
> > > just past the
> > > > fence. There is a gate going <SPAN
> > > class=410375900-10092001>up</SPAN>
> > > > in the <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>near
> </SPAN>future.
> > > Unfortunately
> > > > not soon enough...<Grin></FONT></FONT></DIV>
> > > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Joe West tweaked his <SPAN
> > > > class=410375900-10092001>roof </SPAN>rack, the step on
> > > his left side flat
> > > > fender<SPAN class=410375900-10092001> got some mild
> > > > damage</SPAN>, <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>he
> > > </SPAN>blew a ujoint
> > > > on one side, and a hub fuse on the other. </FONT></DIV>
> > > > <DIV> </DIV>
> > > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sharky damaged his rear
> > > tailgate. It got
> > > pretty
> > > > tweaked. </FONT></DIV>
> > > > <DIV> </DIV>
> > > > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
> > > class=410375900-10092001>I
> > > > </SPAN>damaged the passenger flat fender<SPAN
> > > class=410375900-10092001>
> > > > today</SPAN>. Now I need to rework them. Not even 12
> hours old I
> > > managed to
> > > > damage one :( <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>I
> > > </SPAN>damaged the
> > > > fender when the RE Extreme Duty track bar taco'd sending
> > > my fender into
> > > the
> > > > rock. </FONT></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><TT>Your
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30935 From: <rocncj7@a...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 5:50pm
Subject: Re: Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
Ah, your just blowing hot air, or is that just from your leaky air line when
it got rocked!! LOL! Detroit rules! Or are your bolts just loose on your
third member?! It's only a matter of time! <grin> Just pokin back!! Happy
Wheeling!
Daron
30936 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 9:45pm
Subject: RE: Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
So why would anyone running such manly equipment, ie., manual transmission,
manual lockers, etc., put some kind of pussy fuse on his hubs? LOL ;)
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@h...]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:24 PM
To: fmw@q...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
Fred,
I have ARB air lockers front and rear... they aren't bothered one bit by hub
fuses <grin>.... but of course, they are REAL lockers and not those cheapy
"automatic" lockers like the Detroit. I like to shift using a manual
transmission and I like to shift my lockers on and off... nothing automatic
about my Jeep... manual everything. <grin>.
Now... I can't wait to hear the whining from all the Detroit locker guys and
gals out there... come on... you know you want to make some comment about me
needing a compressor and airlines that leak and seals that leak and the
like... do it... just make your comment.. come on... I dare you....
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
ARBs and OX Lockers RULE and ANY sissy "Automatic" locker SUCKS!!! (as do
SISSY automatic transmissions like the ARCA people use... sissys all of
them... nothing like us real MANLY men who use MANUAL transmissions and
MANUAL lockers)
Joe West
Causing trouble
Trying to get a rise out of Daddy Splay Legs
or anyone...
<grin>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fmw@q... [mailto:fmw@q...]
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 7:27 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
>
>
> Joe, are you locked in the front. I understand that the fuses are not
> recommended for Detroits in the front as they can trash the
> Detriot. In the
> last issue of JP they reported of a LocRite in the front that
> was trashed
> when both front fuses let go. Just wondering.
>
> Thanks,
> Fred
>
>
> At 07:01 AM 09/10/2001 -0700, arizonajeep@h... wrote:
> >My left hub fuse must have blown at the same time my left
> ujoint failed.
> >The right fuse blew with one cap on my right ujoint already
> turned about 20
> >degrees and lifted.
> >My wheels were turned almost to the lock so I am impressed
> that the fuses
> >worked as well as they did. It is fairly clear that the
> fuses will *almost*
> >protect your ujoints even with the tires at full lock (one
> fuse did and one
> >didn't). There is no doubt that the fuses will blow first
> with the wheels
> >straight ahead or even turned. In short, 5 minutes to
> replace a hub fuse vs
> >45 minutes for an axle... I'll take the fuse any day.
> >
> >The good news is that both fuses failed before any damage
> was done to my
> >axles. Even the right hub fuse blew in time to prevent
> damage to my axle
> >yokes... and the left ujoint didn't fail because the fuse
> blew but it was
> >damn close to failing.
> >
> >I wish I had some pictures to show, but I forgot my camera
> and Scott's
> >camera battery was dead. My jeep was pointed so close to 90 degrees
> >straight down that Sharky had to dig out sand and gravel to
> get to my winch!
> >
> >I have a spare set of axles I'll be putting in tonight and I'll be
> >rebuilding the set currently in my Jeep. I am going to be
> tack welding the
> >caps in after I rebuild the axles... and the next time I
> rebuild them I'll
> >just use my dremel to remove the tack welds. The next time
> I have a u-joint
> >fail it will not be because the caps turned and came out...
> it will be
> >because I twisted the entire ujoint in half or twisted my
> axle splines
> ><grin>.
> >
> >Scott did a pretty good job in his short writeup. It was amazing how
> >difficult it was to descend that waterfall... perhaps with
> 38+ inch tires it
> >would be easier. Sharky came out with the least damage (4
> cylinder and D35C
> ><grin>) and I believe that Scott's problem was caused by a
> defective front
> >track bar (look at the picture of how it was bent... did RE
> forget to use
> >chrome-moly?).
> >
> >I guess this was a pretty long answer to a short question...
> but to answer
> >your question Nick; I won't be driving without the fuses..
> they worked
> >better than I expected under the absolute worst conditions possible
> >(completely turned to the lock front tires).
> >
> >
> >Joe West
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nick [mailto:nnote@a...]
> > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 10:45 PM
> > To: AZVJC
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
> >
> >
> > So what do you think of the hub fuses Joe?
> > Nick
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Kruize
> > To: AZVJC
> > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 6:48 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
> >
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > What a great run. We had Sharky and his wife Stacy, Joe West with
> >bride-to-be Joyce, and myself with Jake Wagner (aka Bobberman) riding
> >shotgun. The trail turned out to be a class 4.5 going up and
> 5 coming down.
> >Everybody came out with damage coming down, but none going
> up.There is a
> >fence on the top of this one and a road crosses the wash
> just past the
> >fence. There is a gate going up in the near future.
> Unfortunately not soon
> >enough...<Grin>
> >
> > Joe West tweaked his roof rack, the step on his left
> side flat fender
> >got some mild damage, he blew a ujoint on one side, and a
> hub fuse on the
> >other.
> >
> > Sharky damaged his rear tailgate. It got pretty tweaked.
> >
> > I damaged the passenger flat fender today. Now I need to
> rework them.
> >Not even 12 hours old I managed to damage one :( I damaged
> the fender when
> >the RE Extreme Duty track bar taco'd sending my fender into the rock.
> >
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> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>My
> >left hub fuse must have blown at the same time my left
> ujoint failed.
> The
> >right fuse blew with one cap on my right ujoint already
> turned about 20
> degrees
> >and lifted.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>My
> >wheels were turned almost to the lock so I am impressed that
> the fuses
> worked as
> >well as they did. It is fairly clear that the fuses
> will *almost*
> protect
> >your ujoints even with the tires at full lock (one fuse did and one
> >didn't). There is no doubt that the fuses will blow
> first with the
> wheels
> >straight ahead or even turned. In short, 5 minutes to
> replace a hub fuse
> >vs 45 minutes for an axle... I'll take the fuse any
> day.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>The
> >good news is that both fuses failed before any damage was done to my
> >axles. Even the right hub fuse blew in time to prevent
> damage to my axle
> >yokes... and the left ujoint didn't fail because the fuse
> blew but it was damn
> >close to failing. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>I
> wish
> >I had some pictures to show, but I forgot my camera and
> Scott's camera battery
> >was dead. My jeep was pointed so close to 90 degrees
> straight down that
> >Sharky had to dig out sand and gravel to get to my winch!
> ></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>I
> have
> >a spare set of axles I'll be putting in tonight and I'll be
> rebuilding the set
> >currently in my Jeep. I am going to be tack welding
> the caps in after I
> >rebuild the axles... and the next time I rebuild them I'll
> just use my
> dremel to
> >remove the tack welds. The next time I have a u-joint
> fail it will
> not be
> >because the caps turned and came out... it will be because I
> twisted the
> entire
> >ujoint in half or twisted my axle splines
> <grin>.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> size=2>Scott
> >did a pretty good job in his short writeup. It was
> amazing how difficult
> >it was to descend that waterfall... perhaps with 38+ inch
> tires it would be
> >easier. Sharky came out with the least damage (4
> cylinder and D35C
> ><grin>) and I believe that Scott's problem was caused
> by a defective
> front
> >track bar (look at the picture of how it was bent...
> did RE forget to use
> >chrome-moly?). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>I
> >guess this was a pretty long answer to a short question...
> but to answer your
> >question Nick; I won't be driving without the fuses.. they
> worked better
> than I
> >expected under the absolute worst conditions possible
> (completely turned to
> the
> >lock front tires).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>Joe
> >West</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><BLOCKQUOTE
> >style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
> #0000ff 2px solid">
> > <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
> face=Tahoma
> > size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Nick
> > [mailto:nnote@a...]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday,
> September 09, 2001 10:45
> > PM<BR><B>To:</B> AZVJC<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [az_vjc]
> Trip report: Cheap
> > Trick...carnage for all<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So what do you think of the hub fuses
> > Joe?</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nick</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <BLOCKQUOTE
> > style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
> BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> > <DIV
> > style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
> black"><B>From:</B>
> > <A title=scottkruize@e...
> > href="mailto:scottkruize@e...">Scott Kruize</A> </DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
> title=az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > href="mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com">AZVJC</A> </DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday,
> September 09, 2001 6:48
> > PM</DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [az_vjc]
> Trip report: Cheap
> > Trick...carnage for all</DIV>
> > <DIV><BR></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
> > class=410375900-10092001>Hello!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
> class=410375900-10092001>What a
> > great run. We had Sharky and his wife Stacy, Joe West
> with bride-to-be
> > Joyce, and myself with Jake Wagner (aka Bobberman) riding
> shotgun. The
> > trail turned out to be a </SPAN>class 4.5 going up
> and 5 coming down.
> > Everybody came out with damage coming down, but none
> going up.There is a
> > fence on the top of this one and a road crosses the wash
> just past the
> > fence. There is a gate going <SPAN
> class=410375900-10092001>up</SPAN>
> > in the <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>near </SPAN>future.
> Unfortunately
> > not soon enough...<Grin></FONT></FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Joe West tweaked his <SPAN
> > class=410375900-10092001>roof </SPAN>rack, the step on
> his left side flat
> > fender<SPAN class=410375900-10092001> got some mild
> > damage</SPAN>, <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>he
> </SPAN>blew a ujoint
> > on one side, and a hub fuse on the other. </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sharky damaged his rear
> tailgate. It got
> pretty
> > tweaked. </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
> class=410375900-10092001>I
> > </SPAN>damaged the passenger flat fender<SPAN
> class=410375900-10092001>
> > today</SPAN>. Now I need to rework them. Not even 12 hours old I
> managed to
> > damage one :( <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>I
> </SPAN>damaged the
> > fender when the RE Extreme Duty track bar taco'd sending
> my fender into
> the
> > rock. </FONT></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><TT>Your use of Yahoo!
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30937 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 10:11pm
Subject: Re: Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
Lockers????? Oooooohhhhhhh. You mean that thing you can do to your spiders
by putting a crap load of welding rod in there. Yeah.....I got a few o' dem
dare locker-ma-jiggies.
----------------------------
Jay Eller (just a little humour)
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
30938 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 10:15pm
Subject: RE: Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
Joe,
Yada yada yada.
Yawn....
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@h...]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:24 PM
To: fmw@q...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
Fred,
I have ARB air lockers front and rear... they aren't bothered one bit by hub
fuses <grin>.... but of course, they are REAL lockers and not those cheapy
"automatic" lockers like the Detroit. I like to shift using a manual
transmission and I like to shift my lockers on and off... nothing automatic
about my Jeep... manual everything. <grin>.
Now... I can't wait to hear the whining from all the Detroit locker guys and
gals out there... come on... you know you want to make some comment about me
needing a compressor and airlines that leak and seals that leak and the
like... do it... just make your comment.. come on... I dare you....
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
ARBs and OX Lockers RULE and ANY sissy "Automatic" locker SUCKS!!! (as do
SISSY automatic transmissions like the ARCA people use... sissys all of
them... nothing like us real MANLY men who use MANUAL transmissions and
MANUAL lockers)
Joe West
Causing trouble
Trying to get a rise out of Daddy Splay Legs
or anyone...
<grin>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fmw@q... [mailto:fmw@q...]
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 7:27 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
>
>
> Joe, are you locked in the front. I understand that the fuses are not
> recommended for Detroits in the front as they can trash the
> Detriot. In the
> last issue of JP they reported of a LocRite in the front that
> was trashed
> when both front fuses let go. Just wondering.
>
> Thanks,
> Fred
>
>
> At 07:01 AM 09/10/2001 -0700, arizonajeep@h... wrote:
> >My left hub fuse must have blown at the same time my left
> ujoint failed.
> >The right fuse blew with one cap on my right ujoint already
> turned about 20
> >degrees and lifted.
> >My wheels were turned almost to the lock so I am impressed
> that the fuses
> >worked as well as they did. It is fairly clear that the
> fuses will *almost*
> >protect your ujoints even with the tires at full lock (one
> fuse did and one
> >didn't). There is no doubt that the fuses will blow first
> with the wheels
> >straight ahead or even turned. In short, 5 minutes to
> replace a hub fuse vs
> >45 minutes for an axle... I'll take the fuse any day.
> >
> >The good news is that both fuses failed before any damage
> was done to my
> >axles. Even the right hub fuse blew in time to prevent
> damage to my axle
> >yokes... and the left ujoint didn't fail because the fuse
> blew but it was
> >damn close to failing.
> >
> >I wish I had some pictures to show, but I forgot my camera
> and Scott's
> >camera battery was dead. My jeep was pointed so close to 90 degrees
> >straight down that Sharky had to dig out sand and gravel to
> get to my winch!
> >
> >I have a spare set of axles I'll be putting in tonight and I'll be
> >rebuilding the set currently in my Jeep. I am going to be
> tack welding the
> >caps in after I rebuild the axles... and the next time I
> rebuild them I'll
> >just use my dremel to remove the tack welds. The next time
> I have a u-joint
> >fail it will not be because the caps turned and came out...
> it will be
> >because I twisted the entire ujoint in half or twisted my
> axle splines
> ><grin>.
> >
> >Scott did a pretty good job in his short writeup. It was amazing how
> >difficult it was to descend that waterfall... perhaps with
> 38+ inch tires it
> >would be easier. Sharky came out with the least damage (4
> cylinder and D35C
> ><grin>) and I believe that Scott's problem was caused by a
> defective front
> >track bar (look at the picture of how it was bent... did RE
> forget to use
> >chrome-moly?).
> >
> >I guess this was a pretty long answer to a short question...
> but to answer
> >your question Nick; I won't be driving without the fuses..
> they worked
> >better than I expected under the absolute worst conditions possible
> >(completely turned to the lock front tires).
> >
> >
> >Joe West
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nick [mailto:nnote@a...]
> > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 10:45 PM
> > To: AZVJC
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
> >
> >
> > So what do you think of the hub fuses Joe?
> > Nick
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Kruize
> > To: AZVJC
> > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 6:48 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
> >
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > What a great run. We had Sharky and his wife Stacy, Joe West with
> >bride-to-be Joyce, and myself with Jake Wagner (aka Bobberman) riding
> >shotgun. The trail turned out to be a class 4.5 going up and
> 5 coming down.
> >Everybody came out with damage coming down, but none going
> up.There is a
> >fence on the top of this one and a road crosses the wash
> just past the
> >fence. There is a gate going up in the near future.
> Unfortunately not soon
> >enough...<Grin>
> >
> > Joe West tweaked his roof rack, the step on his left
> side flat fender
> >got some mild damage, he blew a ujoint on one side, and a
> hub fuse on the
> >other.
> >
> > Sharky damaged his rear tailgate. It got pretty tweaked.
> >
> > I damaged the passenger flat fender today. Now I need to
> rework them.
> >Not even 12 hours old I managed to damage one :( I damaged
> the fender when
> >the RE Extreme Duty track bar taco'd sending my fender into the rock.
> >
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> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>My
> >left hub fuse must have blown at the same time my left
> ujoint failed.
> The
> >right fuse blew with one cap on my right ujoint already
> turned about 20
> degrees
> >and lifted.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>My
> >wheels were turned almost to the lock so I am impressed that
> the fuses
> worked as
> >well as they did. It is fairly clear that the fuses
> will *almost*
> protect
> >your ujoints even with the tires at full lock (one fuse did and one
> >didn't). There is no doubt that the fuses will blow
> first with the
> wheels
> >straight ahead or even turned. In short, 5 minutes to
> replace a hub fuse
> >vs 45 minutes for an axle... I'll take the fuse any
> day.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>The
> >good news is that both fuses failed before any damage was done to my
> >axles. Even the right hub fuse blew in time to prevent
> damage to my axle
> >yokes... and the left ujoint didn't fail because the fuse
> blew but it was damn
> >close to failing. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>I
> wish
> >I had some pictures to show, but I forgot my camera and
> Scott's camera battery
> >was dead. My jeep was pointed so close to 90 degrees
> straight down that
> >Sharky had to dig out sand and gravel to get to my winch!
> ></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>I
> have
> >a spare set of axles I'll be putting in tonight and I'll be
> rebuilding the set
> >currently in my Jeep. I am going to be tack welding
> the caps in after I
> >rebuild the axles... and the next time I rebuild them I'll
> just use my
> dremel to
> >remove the tack welds. The next time I have a u-joint
> fail it will
> not be
> >because the caps turned and came out... it will be because I
> twisted the
> entire
> >ujoint in half or twisted my axle splines
> <grin>.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> size=2>Scott
> >did a pretty good job in his short writeup. It was
> amazing how difficult
> >it was to descend that waterfall... perhaps with 38+ inch
> tires it would be
> >easier. Sharky came out with the least damage (4
> cylinder and D35C
> ><grin>) and I believe that Scott's problem was caused
> by a defective
> front
> >track bar (look at the picture of how it was bent...
> did RE forget to use
> >chrome-moly?). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>I
> >guess this was a pretty long answer to a short question...
> but to answer your
> >question Nick; I won't be driving without the fuses.. they
> worked better
> than I
> >expected under the absolute worst conditions possible
> (completely turned to
> the
> >lock front tires).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=640224613-10092001><FONT face=Arial
> color=#0000ff size=2>Joe
> >West</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><BLOCKQUOTE
> >style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
> #0000ff 2px solid">
> > <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
> face=Tahoma
> > size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Nick
> > [mailto:nnote@a...]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday,
> September 09, 2001 10:45
> > PM<BR><B>To:</B> AZVJC<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [az_vjc]
> Trip report: Cheap
> > Trick...carnage for all<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So what do you think of the hub fuses
> > Joe?</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nick</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <BLOCKQUOTE
> > style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
> BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> > <DIV
> > style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
> black"><B>From:</B>
> > <A title=scottkruize@e...
> > href="mailto:scottkruize@e...">Scott Kruize</A> </DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
> title=az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > href="mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com">AZVJC</A> </DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday,
> September 09, 2001 6:48
> > PM</DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [az_vjc]
> Trip report: Cheap
> > Trick...carnage for all</DIV>
> > <DIV><BR></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
> > class=410375900-10092001>Hello!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
> class=410375900-10092001>What a
> > great run. We had Sharky and his wife Stacy, Joe West
> with bride-to-be
> > Joyce, and myself with Jake Wagner (aka Bobberman) riding
> shotgun. The
> > trail turned out to be a </SPAN>class 4.5 going up
> and 5 coming down.
> > Everybody came out with damage coming down, but none
> going up.There is a
> > fence on the top of this one and a road crosses the wash
> just past the
> > fence. There is a gate going <SPAN
> class=410375900-10092001>up</SPAN>
> > in the <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>near </SPAN>future.
> Unfortunately
> > not soon enough...<Grin></FONT></FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Joe West tweaked his <SPAN
> > class=410375900-10092001>roof </SPAN>rack, the step on
> his left side flat
> > fender<SPAN class=410375900-10092001> got some mild
> > damage</SPAN>, <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>he
> </SPAN>blew a ujoint
> > on one side, and a hub fuse on the other. </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sharky damaged his rear
> tailgate. It got
> pretty
> > tweaked. </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
> class=410375900-10092001>I
> > </SPAN>damaged the passenger flat fender<SPAN
> class=410375900-10092001>
> > today</SPAN>. Now I need to rework them. Not even 12 hours old I
> managed to
> > damage one :( <SPAN class=410375900-10092001>I
> </SPAN>damaged the
> > fender when the RE Extreme Duty track bar taco'd sending
> my fender into
> the
> > rock. </FONT></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><TT>Your use of Yahoo!
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30939 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Mon Sep 10, 2001 10:16pm
Subject: RE: Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
Joe,
You definitely have the flame-o-matic in high gear right now.
LOL,
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@h...]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:42 PM
To: 'lynch'
Cc: fmw@q...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
Yes my son... YES!!! YES!!!
Tow straps forever! Long live open diffs!
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lynch [mailto:lynch@v...]
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:31 PM
> To: Joe W
> Cc: fmw@q...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
>
>
> Whats next after this? "Tow straps forever! Long live open diffs!" ?
>
> -lynch
>
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 09:24:28PM -0700, Joe W wrote:
> > Fred,
> >
> > I have ARB air lockers front and rear... they aren't
> bothered one bit by hub
> > fuses <grin>.... but of course, they are REAL lockers and
> not those cheapy
> > "automatic" lockers like the Detroit. I like to shift
> using a manual
> > transmission and I like to shift my lockers on and off...
> nothing automatic
> > about my Jeep... manual everything. <grin>.
> >
> > Now... I can't wait to hear the whining from all the
> Detroit locker guys and
> > gals out there... come on... you know you want to make some
> comment about me
> > needing a compressor and airlines that leak and seals that
> leak and the
> > like... do it... just make your comment.. come on... I dare you....
> >
> > hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
> >
> > ARBs and OX Lockers RULE and ANY sissy "Automatic" locker
> SUCKS!!! (as do
> > SISSY automatic transmissions like the ARCA people use...
> sissys all of
> > them... nothing like us real MANLY men who use MANUAL
> transmissions and
> > MANUAL lockers)
> >
> >
> > Joe West
> > Causing trouble
> > Trying to get a rise out of Daddy Splay Legs
> > or anyone...
> >
> > <grin>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: fmw@q... [mailto:fmw@q...]
> > > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 7:27 AM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe, are you locked in the front. I understand that the
> fuses are not
> > > recommended for Detroits in the front as they can trash the
> > > Detriot. In the
> > > last issue of JP they reported of a LocRite in the front that
> > > was trashed
> > > when both front fuses let go. Just wondering.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Fred
> > >
> > >
> > > At 07:01 AM 09/10/2001 -0700, arizonajeep@h... wrote:
> > > >My left hub fuse must have blown at the same time my left
> > > ujoint failed.
> > > >The right fuse blew with one cap on my right ujoint already
> > > turned about 20
> > > >degrees and lifted.
> > > >My wheels were turned almost to the lock so I am impressed
> > > that the fuses
> > > >worked as well as they did. It is fairly clear that the
> > > fuses will *almost*
> > > >protect your ujoints even with the tires at full lock (one
> > > fuse did and one
> > > >didn't). There is no doubt that the fuses will blow first
> > > with the wheels
> > > >straight ahead or even turned. In short, 5 minutes to
> > > replace a hub fuse vs
> > > >45 minutes for an axle... I'll take the fuse any day.
> > > >
> > > >The good news is that both fuses failed before any damage
> > > was done to my
> > > >axles. Even the right hub fuse blew in time to prevent
> > > damage to my axle
> > > >yokes... and the left ujoint didn't fail because the fuse
> > > blew but it was
> > > >damn close to failing.
> > > >
> > > >I wish I had some pictures to show, but I forgot my camera
> > > and Scott's
> > > >camera battery was dead. My jeep was pointed so close
> to 90 degrees
> > > >straight down that Sharky had to dig out sand and gravel to
> > > get to my winch!
> > > >
> > > >I have a spare set of axles I'll be putting in tonight
> and I'll be
> > > >rebuilding the set currently in my Jeep. I am going to be
> > > tack welding the
> > > >caps in after I rebuild the axles... and the next time I
> > > rebuild them I'll
> > > >just use my dremel to remove the tack welds. The next time
> > > I have a u-joint
> > > >fail it will not be because the caps turned and came out...
> > > it will be
> > > >because I twisted the entire ujoint in half or twisted my
> > > axle splines
> > > ><grin>.
> > > >
> > > >Scott did a pretty good job in his short writeup. It
> was amazing how
> > > >difficult it was to descend that waterfall... perhaps with
> > > 38+ inch tires it
> > > >would be easier. Sharky came out with the least damage (4
> > > cylinder and D35C
> > > ><grin>) and I believe that Scott's problem was caused by a
> > > defective front
> > > >track bar (look at the picture of how it was bent... did RE
> > > forget to use
> > > >chrome-moly?).
> > > >
> > > >I guess this was a pretty long answer to a short question...
> > > but to answer
> > > >your question Nick; I won't be driving without the fuses..
> > > they worked
> > > >better than I expected under the absolute worst
> conditions possible
> > > >(completely turned to the lock front tires).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Joe West
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Nick [mailto:nnote@a...]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 10:45 PM
> > > > To: AZVJC
> > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap
> Trick...carnage for all
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So what do you think of the hub fuses Joe?
> > > > Nick
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Scott Kruize
> > > > To: AZVJC
> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 6:48 PM
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Trip report: Cheap Trick...carnage for all
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello!
> > > >
> > > > What a great run. We had Sharky and his wife Stacy,
> Joe West with
> > > >bride-to-be Joyce, and myself with Jake Wagner (aka
> Bobberman) riding
> > > >shotgun. The trail turned out to be a class 4.5 going up and
> > > 5 coming down.
> > > >Everybody came out with damage coming down, but none going
> > > up.There is a
> > > >fence on the top of this one and a road crosses the wash
> > > just past the
> > > >fence. There is a gate going up in the near future.
> > > Unfortunately not soon
> > >