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30692 From: <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 3:11pm
Subject: Re: ANOTHER emissions test questions
Your not supposed to crawl under the rock, your supposed to CRAWL
over them! That is unless you drive a Scout...:-o
Mike
P.S. to all: This is all in fun! DO NOT read into the JOKE at all!
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Legge" <scottlegge@h...> wrote:
> Sorry to kill the fun but I seem to be WAYYYYY off on most
controversial
> topics. Like this and the alcohol on the trail thread. SOOOO I
decided I am
> crawling under a rock and hiding from these kinds of threads. I am
never
> right and doesnt do me any good sounding like a ****y fool and
making people
> dislike my opinions and myself before I ever even meet anyone... I
dont
> sneak through emissions and the testing center at 40th street and
greenway
> happens to be the closest one to my house and I personally have had
fairly
> good luck there... Best of luck to all of you in the future getting
through
> the emissions regime!
>
>
> Scott Legge
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DesertJeep" <joey@d...>
> To: <jeepindog@y...>; "'Az_Vjc'" <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 1:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: ANOTHER emissions test questions
>
>
> > Lachlan,
> > Did *you* (read Scott's post)??
> > Maybe he wasn't, "condoning 'sneaking' through an emissions
check, or
> > advocating mods", but it reads pretty close.
> >
> > "You told them it was an 84??? I would have played as dumb as
possible
> > as long as possible."
> >
> > "If all else fails with the jerk offs you have to deal w/ local
go to
> > 40th street and greenway I assure you they dont have a clue."
> >
> > Joey K <----<<<< just downed a liter of Mt. Dew and ready to go :)
> > 93YJ
> > www.desertjeep.com
> >
> > PS. I think Scotts issue is more to the personnel then to the
testing
> > procedure or equipment. Except about the relevancy of an EGR
valve.
> > Scott correct me if I am wrong.
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:27 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: ANOTHER emissions test questions
> > >
> > >
> > > Joey,
> > >
> > > Did you actually read Scott's post? He was by no means
> > > whatsoever condoning "sneaking" through an emissions check, or
> > > advocating mods that make an engine more smoggy. (new word)
Holy
> > > fuel injection, Batman, it's a friggin' ****fest once again...
Just
> > > have fun and RELAX.
> > >
> > > Lachlan <--- VERY relaxed at the moment LOL, <grin> etc...
> > > >
> > > > > From: "DesertJeep" <joey@d...>
> > > > > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 07:08:51 -0700
> > > > > To: "'Scott Legge'" <scottlegge@h...>, "'AZVJC'"
<az_vjc@y...>
> > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] ANOTHER emissions test questions
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott,
> > > > > I am not in the same Choir as you. You should do what it
takes to
> > > pass
> > > > > and keep the vehicle that way. The air is bad enough in the
city
> > > without
> > > > > people like that contributing. You should feel lucky
Maricopa is
> > > as
> > > > > lenient as they are. There are other states and counties
that are
> > > more
> > > > > strict on vehicle inspection.
> > > > > So having said that... Finding a reputable mechanic that
knows
> > > what
> > > > > they're doin', and one you trust is the right way to go.
> > > Specially if
> > > > > you don't know what you are doin' under the hood of your
vehicle.
> > > > > IMO if someone modified a Jeep or Scout II and it does not
pass
> > > > > emissions test it wasn't done right.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joey K
> > > > > 93YJ
> > > > > www.desertjeep.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> From: Scott Legge [mailto:scottlegge@h...]
> > > > >> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:23 AM
> > > > >> To: AZVJC
> > > > >> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] ANOTHER emissions test questions
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You told them it was an 84??? I would have played as dumb
as
> > > > >> possible as long as possible. :) Then again I am a
> > > "punk" 20 year
> > > > >> old... ;) Who obviously by my young age knows nothing
> > > about cars,
> > > > >> engines, trannys, or any other mechanical device... All I
do is
> > > > >> party and do drugs and drink! I am not gonna get dirty
> > > under no car
> > > > >> certainly any jeep where there is mud and grease! ok
enough
> > > > >> sarcasm... As for those bafoons the less they know the
> > > better and
> > > > >> the less you act like you know the better.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Emissions nazi: "what year block is in it?"
> > > > >> You: "not sure its what It came with when I bought it..."
> > > > >>
> > > > >> AND if they start trying to babble techno garbage at you
> > > to confuse
> > > > >> you tell them your "mechanic said..." in response to
> > > their crap. If
> > > > >> all else fails with the jerk offs you have to deal w/
> > > local go to
> > > > >> 40th street and greenway I assure you they dont have a
clue.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> As a side note somewhat on topic... In california red
> > > light cameras
> > > > >> were in use on labor day weekend and hundreds of tickets
> > > had to be
> > > > >> thrown out of court because the cameras were owned and
> > > maintained
> > > > >> by a private company. Private companies CANNOT enforce the
law.
> > > > >> When you test your vehicles you write a check to V.I.P.
NOT Az
> > > > >> state or any part of it... TECHNICALLY you can fight the
whole
> > > > >> goddam thing and not test with those *******s ever
> > > again. BUT get a
> > > > >> good lawyer because no judge will want to set precedence
on that
> > > case :)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Sorry for the language but I am very VERY VERY
> > > passionate about the
> > > > >> (again pardon my french) ****edupppedness of the whole
> > > process of
> > > > >> emissions testing and tags... I agree it needs to be in
> > > place for
> > > > >> some beaters out there but 99% of the vehicles that dont
> > > pass get
> > > > >> rigged somehow to pass and undo the patch for daily use...
I
> > > > >> personally know of 8 cases off hand that do this
> > > (usually removable
> > > > >> cats on hi po cars)... Anyway enough preaching to the
choir.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Scott Legge
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> From: "Blake Shepherd" <shepherdblake@y...>
> > > > >> To: "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>; <az_vjc@y...>
> > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 10:10 PM
> > > > >> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] ANOTHER emissions test questions
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> My 80CJ5 never had to be emmissioned before Novemeber
> > > > >>> of 2000 (I lived in areas that didn't require it). It
has a
> > > > >>> carbureated 350 small block from a '84 Elcamino. In
November, I
> > > > >>> took it to the emmissions place on Chandler and I-10.
> > > The CJ had
> > > > >>> only Cats for emmissions components. They wouldn't
> > > even test the
> > > > >>> tailpipe emmisions because they immediately saw that
> > > > >>> my carb didn't have a bowl vent and I had no charcoal
> > > canister. I
> > > > >>> didn't know what to do, so they sent me to the level two
folks
> > > in
> > > > >>> downtown Phoenix. Those guys wanted to know what exact
> > > year the
> > > > >>> engine was ('84). I was instructed to get a smog legal
> > > carb and a
> > > > >>> charcoal canister. I renturned a week later with a
charcoal
> > > > >>> canister from a junked '80s chevy. I thought I could
sneak the
> > > > >>> carb bowl vent by them. They turned me down again on
> > > account that
> > > > >>> the charcoal canister had only 4 ports and the claimed
> > > I needed a
> > > > >>> 5 port canister. They also noticed the non emmission carb
> > > > >>> again. I ended up having to buy a new carb and new
> > > > >>> charcoal canister. On the fourth time there, they
> > > > >>> finally smogged it using the standards for a '84 chevy
> > > > >>> truck.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I think the moral of the story is simple: Your results may
> > > > >>> vary....
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Blake
> > > > >>> 80CJ5
> > > > >>> 01 TJ
> > > > >>> --- Jay Eller <jay@t...> wrote:
> > > > >>>> OK.....I may come off a little ****y with my reply,
> > > > >>>> but it is ONLY
> > > > >>>> because I am EXTREMELY confident in what I know
> > > > >>>> about this area.
> > > > >>>> Background.....I have an '83 CJ7 with a carbureted
> > > > >>>> 350. Block is 4
> > > > >>>> bolt, heads are from a '67 El Camino, etc.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Here is the story. In 1981, the emissions standards
changed
> > > their
> > > > >>>> testing to use an IM240 test. Somehow they changed
> > > > >>>> how they ran the
> > > > >>>> test and some other BS. The short of it is, any
> > > > >>>> vehicle made before
> > > > >>>> 1981, they will do an underhood inspection and
> > > > >>>> verify that ALL of the
> > > > >>>> emissions control items are there and in "working" order.
> > > > >>>> Example, a friend of mine has a '74 chevy blazer. It
came with
> > > > >>>> a PCV valve and
> > > > >>>> lines that ran charcoal canister into the air
> > > > >>>> filter. Without them in
> > > > >>>> place, he fails. Put them there, he passes. They
> > > > >>>> also check tail pipe
> > > > >>>> emissions to ensure they meet the standards passed
> > > > >>>> for that year of
> > > > >>>> vehicle.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Now.....if your vehicle is manufactured in '81 and
> > > > >>>> newer (up to the last
> > > > >>>> 5 years where they are exempt from testing), they
> > > > >>>> ONLY check 3 items.
> > > > >>>> 1) Does the gas cap hold pressure 2) Does the gas
tank hold
> > > > >>>> pressure (ie no leaks) 3) Does is pass the smog
requirement
> > > > >>>> out the tail pipe
> > > > >>>> for vehicles manufactured in that year. THAT IS ALL
> > > > >>>> THEY CHECK. You
> > > > >>>> will need to have a charcoal canister in place for
> > > > >>>> tank vapor recovery
> > > > >>>> only because they will check to see that it is there
> > > > >>>> since that is where
> > > > >>>> they pinch the line before doing the tank pressure
> > > > >>>> test.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Example: I have an '83 CJ7 with a 350. Engine
> > > > >>>> type is "general" on
> > > > >>>> their system that they enter. I do not have pulse
> > > > >>>> air (required in '83)
> > > > >>>> or PCV valve (required in '83). I do have catalytic
> > > converters
> > > > >>>> because I felt I would not pass emission standard
> > > without them.
> > > > >>>> If I could pass tail pipe emission without them, I would
remove
> > > > >>>> them. They never once
> > > > >>>> looked for them.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> So, those of you with vehicles before '81, you gotta
have the
> > > > >>>> stuff (unless the inspector is dumb and just doesn't look
> > > > >>>> for it). Those in
> > > > >>>> '81 and newer, just pass the tail pipe smog, seal
> > > > >>>> your tank, and get a
> > > > >>>> good gas cap, then your good to go.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Believe me, this is the REAL DEAL!!!!!! This is the
> > > > >> legality of it.
> > > > >>>> Anyone tells you differently, then doubt seriously
> > > > >>>> that they know what
> > > > >>>> they are talking about. Even the guys in the bays
> > > > >>>> doing the tests won't
> > > > >>>> really have a good idea. Talk to a manager and have
> > > > >>>> him show you it in
> > > > >>>> writing if you have doubts. My source is an
> > > > >>>> emissions control station
> > > > >>>> manager and the depart of transportation.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> --
> > > > >>>> ----------------------------
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> > > > >>>> http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
> > > > >>>>
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30693 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 3:16pm
Subject: RE: Re: ANOTHER emissions test questions
Scott,
No worries man. I understood what you meant, I think. I used to get
frustrated with my '79 Celica back in the day. I even had to get a
waiver because they did not know why it was failing at the waiver
station. Hey and I feel pity for the people at those stations. It's no
wonder why they are the way they are. You could go in a rocket scientist
and after a few months of breathing fumes from the cars that wish they
could pass you will come out trying to remember how to spell you own
name. :) It's all good. Hope to see you on the trail.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Legge [mailto:scottlegge@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 1:48 PM
> To: DesertJeep; AZVJC
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: ANOTHER emissions test questions
>
>
> Sorry to kill the fun but I seem to be WAYYYYY off on most
> controversial topics. Like this and the alcohol on the trail
> thread. SOOOO I decided I am crawling under a rock and hiding
> from these kinds of threads. I am never right and doesnt do
> me any good sounding like a ****y fool and making people
> dislike my opinions and myself before I ever even meet
> anyone... I dont sneak through emissions and the testing
> center at 40th street and greenway happens to be the closest
> one to my house and I personally have had fairly good luck
> there... Best of luck to all of you in the future getting
> through the emissions regime!
>
>
> Scott Legge
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DesertJeep" <joey@d...>
> To: <jeepindog@y...>; "'Az_Vjc'" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 1:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: ANOTHER emissions test questions
>
>
> > Lachlan,
> > Did *you* (read Scott's post)??
> > Maybe he wasn't, "condoning 'sneaking' through an emissions
> check, or
> > advocating mods", but it reads pretty close.
> >
> > "You told them it was an 84??? I would have played as dumb
> as possible
> > as long as possible."
> >
> > "If all else fails with the jerk offs you have to deal w/
> local go to
> > 40th street and greenway I assure you they dont have a clue."
> >
> > Joey K <----<<<< just downed a liter of Mt. Dew and ready to go :)
> > 93YJ www.desertjeep.com
> >
> > PS. I think Scotts issue is more to the personnel then to
> the testing
> > procedure or equipment. Except about the relevancy of an EGR valve.
> > Scott correct me if I am wrong.
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:27 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: ANOTHER emissions test questions
> > >
> > >
> > > Joey,
> > >
> > > Did you actually read Scott's post? He was by no means
> > > whatsoever condoning "sneaking" through an emissions check, or
> > > advocating mods that make an engine more smoggy. (new
> word) Holy
> > > fuel injection, Batman, it's a friggin' ****fest once
> again... Just
> > > have fun and RELAX.
> > >
> > > Lachlan <--- VERY relaxed at the moment LOL, <grin> etc...
> > > >
> > > > > From: "DesertJeep" <joey@d...>
> > > > > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 07:08:51 -0700
> > > > > To: "'Scott Legge'" <scottlegge@h...>, "'AZVJC'" <az_vjc@y...>
> > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] ANOTHER emissions test questions
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott,
> > > > > I am not in the same Choir as you. You should do what
> it takes
> > > > > to
> > > pass
> > > > > and keep the vehicle that way. The air is bad enough
> in the city
> > > without
> > > > > people like that contributing. You should feel lucky
> Maricopa is
> > > as
> > > > > lenient as they are. There are other states and counties that
> > > > > are
> > > more
> > > > > strict on vehicle inspection.
> > > > > So having said that... Finding a reputable mechanic that knows
> > > what
> > > > > they're doin', and one you trust is the right way to go.
> > > Specially if
> > > > > you don't know what you are doin' under the hood of your
> > > > > vehicle. IMO if someone modified a Jeep or Scout II
> and it does
> > > > > not pass emissions test it wasn't done right.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joey K
> > > > > 93YJ
> > > > > www.desertjeep.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> From: Scott Legge [mailto:scottlegge@h...]
> > > > >> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:23 AM
> > > > >> To: AZVJC
> > > > >> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] ANOTHER emissions test questions
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You told them it was an 84??? I would have played as dumb as
> > > > >> possible as long as possible. :) Then again I am a
> > > "punk" 20 year
> > > > >> old... ;) Who obviously by my young age knows nothing
> > > about cars,
> > > > >> engines, trannys, or any other mechanical device...
> All I do is
> > > > >> party and do drugs and drink! I am not gonna get dirty
> > > under no car
> > > > >> certainly any jeep where there is mud and grease! ok enough
> > > > >> sarcasm... As for those bafoons the less they know the
> > > better and
> > > > >> the less you act like you know the better.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Emissions nazi: "what year block is in it?"
> > > > >> You: "not sure its what It came with when I bought it..."
> > > > >>
> > > > >> AND if they start trying to babble techno garbage at you
> > > to confuse
> > > > >> you tell them your "mechanic said..." in response to
> > > their crap. If
> > > > >> all else fails with the jerk offs you have to deal w/
> > > local go to
> > > > >> 40th street and greenway I assure you they dont have a clue.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> As a side note somewhat on topic... In california red
> > > light cameras
> > > > >> were in use on labor day weekend and hundreds of tickets
> > > had to be
> > > > >> thrown out of court because the cameras were owned and
> > > maintained
> > > > >> by a private company. Private companies CANNOT
> enforce the law.
> > > > >> When you test your vehicles you write a check to
> V.I.P. NOT Az
> > > > >> state or any part of it... TECHNICALLY you can fight
> the whole
> > > > >> goddam thing and not test with those *******s ever
> > > again. BUT get a
> > > > >> good lawyer because no judge will want to set precedence on
> > > > >> that
> > > case :)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Sorry for the language but I am very VERY VERY
> > > passionate about the
> > > > >> (again pardon my french) ****edupppedness of the whole
> > > process of
> > > > >> emissions testing and tags... I agree it needs to be in
> > > place for
> > > > >> some beaters out there but 99% of the vehicles that dont
> > > pass get
> > > > >> rigged somehow to pass and undo the patch for daily use... I
> > > > >> personally know of 8 cases off hand that do this
> > > (usually removable
> > > > >> cats on hi po cars)... Anyway enough preaching to the choir.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Scott Legge
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> From: "Blake Shepherd" <shepherdblake@y...>
> > > > >> To: "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>; <az_vjc@y...>
> > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 10:10 PM
> > > > >> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] ANOTHER emissions test questions
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> My 80CJ5 never had to be emmissioned before
> Novemeber of 2000
> > > > >>> (I lived in areas that didn't require it). It has a
> > > > >>> carbureated 350 small block from a '84 Elcamino. In
> November,
> > > > >>> I took it to the emmissions place on Chandler and I-10.
> > > The CJ had
> > > > >>> only Cats for emmissions components. They wouldn't
> > > even test the
> > > > >>> tailpipe emmisions because they immediately saw
> that my carb
> > > > >>> didn't have a bowl vent and I had no charcoal
> > > canister. I
> > > > >>> didn't know what to do, so they sent me to the
> level two folks
> > > in
> > > > >>> downtown Phoenix. Those guys wanted to know what exact
> > > year the
> > > > >>> engine was ('84). I was instructed to get a smog legal
> > > carb and a
> > > > >>> charcoal canister. I renturned a week later with a
> charcoal
> > > > >>> canister from a junked '80s chevy. I thought I could sneak
> > > > >>> the carb bowl vent by them. They turned me down again on
> > > account that
> > > > >>> the charcoal canister had only 4 ports and the claimed
> > > I needed a
> > > > >>> 5 port canister. They also noticed the non emmission carb
> > > > >>> again. I ended up having to buy a new carb and new
> charcoal
> > > > >>> canister. On the fourth time there, they finally
> smogged it
> > > > >>> using the standards for a '84 chevy truck.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I think the moral of the story is simple: Your results may
> > > > >>> vary....
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Blake
> > > > >>> 80CJ5
> > > > >>> 01 TJ
> > > > >>> --- Jay Eller <jay@t...> wrote:
> > > > >>>> OK.....I may come off a little ****y with my
> reply, but it is
> > > > >>>> ONLY because I am EXTREMELY confident in what I know
> > > > >>>> about this area.
> > > > >>>> Background.....I have an '83 CJ7 with a carbureted
> > > > >>>> 350. Block is 4
> > > > >>>> bolt, heads are from a '67 El Camino, etc.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Here is the story. In 1981, the emissions
> standards changed
> > > their
> > > > >>>> testing to use an IM240 test. Somehow they
> changed how they
> > > > >>>> ran the test and some other BS. The short of it is, any
> > > > >>>> vehicle made before
> > > > >>>> 1981, they will do an underhood inspection and
> > > > >>>> verify that ALL of the
> > > > >>>> emissions control items are there and in "working" order.
> > > > >>>> Example, a friend of mine has a '74 chevy blazer.
> It came with
> > > > >>>> a PCV valve and
> > > > >>>> lines that ran charcoal canister into the air
> > > > >>>> filter. Without them in
> > > > >>>> place, he fails. Put them there, he passes. They
> > > > >>>> also check tail pipe
> > > > >>>> emissions to ensure they meet the standards passed
> > > > >>>> for that year of
> > > > >>>> vehicle.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Now.....if your vehicle is manufactured in '81 and
> newer (up
> > > > >>>> to the last 5 years where they are exempt from
> testing), they
> > > > >>>> ONLY check 3 items.
> > > > >>>> 1) Does the gas cap hold pressure 2) Does the
> gas tank hold
> > > > >>>> pressure (ie no leaks) 3) Does is pass the smog
> requirement
> > > > >>>> out the tail pipe
> > > > >>>> for vehicles manufactured in that year. THAT IS ALL
> > > > >>>> THEY CHECK. You
> > > > >>>> will need to have a charcoal canister in place for
> > > > >>>> tank vapor recovery
> > > > >>>> only because they will check to see that it is there
> > > > >>>> since that is where
> > > > >>>> they pinch the line before doing the tank pressure
> > > > >>>> test.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Example: I have an '83 CJ7 with a 350. Engine type is
> > > > >>>> "general" on their system that they enter. I do not have
> > > > >>>> pulse air (required in '83)
> > > > >>>> or PCV valve (required in '83). I do have catalytic
> > > converters
> > > > >>>> because I felt I would not pass emission standard
> > > without them.
> > > > >>>> If I could pass tail pipe emission without them, I would
> > > > >>>> remove them. They never once looked for them.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> So, those of you with vehicles before '81, you
> gotta have the
> > > > >>>> stuff (unless the inspector is dumb and just
> doesn't look for
> > > > >>>> it). Those in '81 and newer, just pass the tail
> pipe smog,
> > > > >>>> seal your tank, and get a
> > > > >>>> good gas cap, then your good to go.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Believe me, this is the REAL DEAL!!!!!! This is the
> > > > >> legality of it.
> > > > >>>> Anyone tells you differently, then doubt seriously
> that they
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> in the bays
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> > > > >>>> really have a good idea. Talk to a manager and have
> > > > >>>> him show you it in
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> > > > >>>> emissions control station
> > > > >>>> manager and the depart of transportation.
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30694 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 3:19pm
Subject: OR Fab
I spent some time down at OR Fab. Mark is a nice guy. They just moved into a
new building and are busy setting it up. He is going to get with me, and my
Jeep, and make a spare/gas can/hi-lift carrier. This will be for TJ's that
have flush mount tail lights. He was very honest in saying, they haven't had
much call for them yet although, the demand and inquiries are going up. I am
not in a hurry for it, yet, so the timing between the both of us is good.
So for those that have flush mounts and want one their carriers help is on
the way. Thanks Mark.
--James
30695 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 3:19pm
Subject: RE: Rig Rater
But considerably higher then mine. And I got a nice capable Jeep.
344RRv1.0
Break-Over Angle (BOA) is 21.40 degrees
Did I do something wrong? Must be the stuff like lockers that rate you
the points.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tomedson@a... [mailto:tomedson@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 2:24 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Rig Rater
>
>
> Here's my score (76 CJ5 - 304V8) - looks considerably lower than some
> of yours:
>
> My RigRater Score: 437RRv1.0 with a BOA of 22.52 --
> http://www.rigrater.com
>
>
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30696 From: TRobertsRN <TRobertsRN@e...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 3:37pm
Subject: help, won't start
New problem with Cherokee. Has been starting without problems and has a new optima battery. Recently had A/C repaired and was still starting no problem. Went to start today and I just get one click and amp gauge pegs to the positive side on the right. Put my battery charger on it and does the same on the start setting, and also after charging up the battery. After battery is charge and I attempt to start one time gauge on battery charger reads as if battery is completely discharged again. Sounds like a short to me but where are the likely places to look. My CB and stereo work, headlights and front turn signals work, but rear running lights and turn signals do not (were fine before). Not sure if break lights work as I am home alone.
78 Cherokee WT
30697 From: TRobertsRN <TRobertsRN@e...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 3:40pm
Subject: Re: help won't start
I solved the rear lights problem, was disconnected wiring likely since I had the new bumper made and installed. Still won't start though.
Tom
78 Cherokee WT
30698 From: bonnie durdaller <bdurdaller@y...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 3:44pm
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to az_vjc
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30699 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 3:56pm
Subject: Re: Rig Rater
Joey,
I think mine was a 599. Do you still have the transfer case lowering
on yours? I am not exactly sure what the stock tranfer case is
either, as far as gearing.
The difference between John's long arms and Scott's is interesting.
Like you said, your driving skills aren't factored in.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> But considerably higher then mine. And I got a nice capable Jeep.
> 344RRv1.0
> Break-Over Angle (BOA) is 21.40 degrees
> Did I do something wrong? Must be the stuff like lockers that rate
you
> the points.
> Joey K
> 93YJ
> www.desertjeep.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tomedson@a... [mailto:tomedson@a...]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 2:24 PM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Rig Rater
> >
> >
> > Here's my score (76 CJ5 - 304V8) - looks considerably lower than
some
> > of yours:
> >
> > My RigRater Score: 437RRv1.0 with a BOA of 22.52 --
> > http://www.rigrater.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
30700 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 3:57pm
Subject: RE: help, won't start
Wonder if it could be your starter? Sometimes if a starter (or solenoid) is bad it could act as a short. Checker or AutoZone can check the starter pretty easy. You may have to remove it from the vehicle though.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
-----Original Message-----
From: TRobertsRN [mailto:TRobertsRN@email.msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 3:38 PM
To: FSJ-List@yahoogroups.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; AZ_FSJA@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] help, won't start
New problem with Cherokee. Has been starting without problems and has a new optima battery. Recently had A/C repaired and was still starting no problem. Went to start today and I just get one click and amp gauge pegs to the positive side on the right. Put my battery charger on it and does the same on the start setting, and also after charging up the battery. After battery is charge and I attempt to start one time gauge on battery charger reads as if battery is completely discharged again. Sounds like a short to me but where are the likely places to look. My CB and stereo work, headlights and front turn signals work, but rear running lights and turn signals do not (were fine before). Not sure if break lights work as I am home alone.
78 Cherokee WT
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30701 From: <Mike@A...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 4:06pm
Subject: Re: ANOTHER emissions test questions
I just had to jump in on this one...
This whole emissions thing started back in the early 70's when it was
discovered that traffic in major cities was responsible for about
half the pollution (depending on the city).
Over the years, emissions standards have changed, and gasoline
burning automobile emissions have nearly disappeared, as now these
vehicles are responsible for about 2% of the pollution – that's
right, about 2%. See the original environmentalist (who would now
prefer to be called "conservationist" for obvious reasons) had a good
idea. However, sometime in the late 80's/early 90's the whole Environ-
Nazi movement got started, and they pushed a good, sensible thing
into something that is on the verge of being insanely stupid. Now
that gasoline-powered autos are only responsible for 2% of the
pollution instead of going after the next big polluters (Diesels and
Airlines) they continue to target gasoline-powered autos.
At this point, you have to ask, what is their ultimate goal? Not
sure, but I can hazard a guess. Many of the Environ-Nazi
organizations (Sierra Club, Earth First, etc…) have made statements
to the effect that they would like to return the West back into a
wilderness area. Not portions of the west, mind you, they want the
whole thing; basically all of what the Louisiana Purchase
encompassed. Their goal is to move everyone from the West into big
cities back East, like New York City. In places like New York City,
the average person can live without ever owning a car simply because
everything is within walking distance or mass transit.
The idea of a having every vehicle pass an emissions test is a great
idea, but the system sucks. Next time you're stopped on the Freeway
in "rush" hour traffic, take a look around. Look at every car in
front, behind, next to and in the opposite lane from you. Now look
around and find one semi-truck, usually they are from out of state
and have no real emission standards to pass. That one truck is
putting out more pollution than all of the cars around you. Now take
another look around, look at all of the Semi-Trucks stuck in traffic;
think about how many of those trucks are stuck around the city at
that very moment. Now look out, and see that big 727 that just took
off from Sky Harbor Airport. That single airplane puts out more
pollution taking off than all those trucks do in the same amount of
time.
So what is the deal? Why is the government focusing on our cars,
which if they managed to completely get rid of all the emissions that
they produce, would only reduce the pollution by 2% instead of
focusing on Semi-Trucks and Aircraft? The reason is simple: Airlines
and Trucking companies routinely lobby the lawmakers, and provide
nice fat campaign contributions. Us consumers don't do that, and we
as a people generally don't stand up for our rights until it is too
late.
So don't get too passionate about the joke of an emissions standard
test that we have here, it just isn't worth it.
BTW, do you realize that since the mid 1980's it is impossible to
kill yourself by closing up the garage and letting the engine run.
(Providing of course you're using mid-80's car with function
emissions equipment) About the most you'll accomplish is to pass out,
and wake up with an extreme headache after the car runs out of gas.
With some of the newer (95 up) vehicles, I don't think you'll even
pass out.
- Mike
30702 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 4:10pm
Subject: RE: Help fight the endangered species act...
Did it. thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: jsteele1999@y... [mailto:jsteele1999@y...]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 2:24 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Help fight the endangered species act...
http://capwiz.com/offroad/issues/alert/?alertid=41225&type=PR&azip=
A few keystrokes, a few clicks, and you've got a letter off to the
prez and vice prez.
Jerry
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30703 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 4:16pm
Subject: RE: Re: Rig Rater
What is the T-Case Gearing low range for a 93YJ 4 cylinder? That seems
to be worth about 10 points.
I got a Tow Strap today and now my rating went up to 380!!! I have a 3.5
inch lift and running 33s. The bottom of the skid is up 17 inches. And
that is without a skid lowering kit.
No worries. Like I said you can have a 860 with BOA=29.84 but not know
how to drive! (big grin to... you know who you are)
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 3:56 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Rig Rater
>
>
> Joey,
>
> I think mine was a 599. Do you still have the transfer case lowering
> on yours? I am not exactly sure what the stock tranfer case is
> either, as far as gearing.
> The difference between John's long arms and Scott's is interesting.
>
> Like you said, your driving skills aren't factored in.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> > But considerably higher then mine. And I got a nice capable Jeep.
> > 344RRv1.0
> > Break-Over Angle (BOA) is 21.40 degrees
> > Did I do something wrong? Must be the stuff like lockers that rate
> you
> > the points.
> > Joey K
> > 93YJ
> > www.desertjeep.com
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: tomedson@a... [mailto:tomedson@a...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 2:24 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Rig Rater
> > >
> > >
> > > Here's my score (76 CJ5 - 304V8) - looks considerably lower than
> some
> > > of yours:
> > >
> > > My RigRater Score: 437RRv1.0 with a BOA of 22.52 --
> > > http://www.rigrater.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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30704 From: <JNB4PLS@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 0:16pm
Subject: Rig Rater score
James,
I believe the difference in my rating and Scotts is that he is locked up
front and has a Teralow thus the higher 706RR vs my 663RR. As far as the
Break Over angle score goes mine might be higher because I'm running 36"PJ's
that measure almost 37" giving me a t-case skid clearance of 22". Which I
have found out means nothing by my innate ability to still get hung up on
rocks ;-)
John Butler
30705 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 5:06pm
Subject: [FS] 1988 258ci. runs great/all accessories TRADE?
Price: $600 OBO
Contact: Matt 602-284-0414 mosgood@goprolink.com
complete with wiring / water pump/ alternator/ starter / ac / serp belt / radiator / fan / clutch...
Mobil 1 motor - I know the history of it... did a vette motor swap
Peugoet tranny for sale also
Trades considered, in need of front and rear axles
Mosgood@goprolink.com
Matt Osgood
30706 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 5:15pm
Subject: RE: help, won't start
What is confusing is the amp meter reading.
"Went to start today and I just get one click and amp gauge pegs to the positive side on the right."
For the amp meter to peg positive (assuming it is working), there would have to be current being pushed into the battery (charging it).
For the amp meter to deflect negative, current would be flowing out of the battery (discharging it).
Like I said.....it makes no sense assuming the amp meter is in fact working.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 3:57 PM
To: 'TRobertsRN'; 'Az_Vjc'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] help, won't start
Wonder if it could be your starter? Sometimes if a starter (or solenoid) is bad it could act as a short. Checker or AutoZone can check the starter pretty easy. You may have to remove it from the vehicle though.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
-----Original Message-----
From: TRobertsRN [mailto:TRobertsRN@email.msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 3:38 PM
To: FSJ-List@yahoogroups.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; AZ_FSJA@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] help, won't start
New problem with Cherokee. Has been starting without problems and has a new optima battery. Recently had A/C repaired and was still starting no problem. Went to start today and I just get one click and amp gauge pegs to the positive side on the right. Put my battery charger on it and does the same on the start setting, and also after charging up the battery. After battery is charge and I attempt to start one time gauge on battery charger reads as if battery is completely discharged again. Sounds like a short to me but where are the likely places to look. My CB and stereo work, headlights and front turn signals work, but rear running lights and turn signals do not (were fine before). Not sure if break lights work as I am home alone.
78 Cherokee WT
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30707 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 5:34pm
Subject: SYE Help
Hey all,
I am not going to be able to do the soa this weekend but I figured I could get the SYE out of the way. Anyhow I feel pretty confident in doing it myself, I would just like to have someone around who has done it before just in case. BTW It is a JB conversions kit and I live in Chandler. TIA
Scott "Iron" Maiden
93 Green YJ(Soon to be SOA)
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30708 From: <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2001 4:22pm
Subject: Member Sighting
East bound 101 around 51st Ave, I was in the Yellow TJ, you in the
White XJ. Didn't know if you saw me or not.
Mike Baney
30709 From: <nickcarrie@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2001 11:42am
Subject: F.S. Cobra 75 wxst cb, KC Mounts
This is a Cobra 75 wxst compact remote mount cb radio with sound
tracker system 40 radio channels 10 weather channels, just about
brand new.
asking 80.00 bucks,
I also have hinge mounts to mount your kc lights on your window still
in box. they are black.
asking 20.00
phoenix480@a...
4809620490
Nick
30710 From: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 6:21pm
Subject: Poll results for az_vjc
The following az_vjc poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:
POLL QUESTION: Should trail information on the AzVJC
website be for members only?
CHOICES AND RESULTS
- No, Keep it as it is., 10 votes, 38.46%
- Yes, Only members should be able to access trail information., 11 votes, 42.31%
- Yes and No, It would be bennificial if SOME trails' info were for members only., 5 votes, 19.23%
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30711 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 6:29pm
Subject: RE: help, won't start
Stu,
It would make sense if say the starter was stuck or shorted thereby drawing current. My understanding of the amp meter is, it is telling you how much current is being drawn from the battery. Just the opposite of a volt meter.
Are you thinking of a volt meter maybe?
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 5:15 PM
To: DesertJeep; 'TRobertsRN'; 'Az_Vjc'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] help, won't start
What is confusing is the amp meter reading.
"Went to start today and I just get one click and amp gauge pegs to the positive side on the right."
For the amp meter to peg positive (assuming it is working), there would have to be current being pushed into the battery (charging it).
For the amp meter to deflect negative, current would be flowing out of the battery (discharging it).
Like I said.....it makes no sense assuming the amp meter is in fact working.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 3:57 PM
To: 'TRobertsRN'; 'Az_Vjc'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] help, won't start
Wonder if it could be your starter? Sometimes if a starter (or solenoid) is bad it could act as a short. Checker or AutoZone can check the starter pretty easy. You may have to remove it from the vehicle though.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
-----Original Message-----
From: TRobertsRN [mailto:TRobertsRN@email.msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 3:38 PM
To: FSJ-List@yahoogroups.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; AZ_FSJA@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] help, won't start
New problem with Cherokee. Has been starting without problems and has a new optima battery. Recently had A/C repaired and was still starting no problem. Went to start today and I just get one click and amp gauge pegs to the positive side on the right. Put my battery charger on it and does the same on the start setting, and also after charging up the battery. After battery is charge and I attempt to start one time gauge on battery charger reads as if battery is completely discharged again. Sounds like a short to me but where are the likely places to look. My CB and stereo work, headlights and front turn signals work, but rear running lights and turn signals do not (were fine before). Not sure if break lights work as I am home alone.
78 Cherokee WT
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30712 From: <FLEXYXJ@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 2:34pm
Subject: Re: Re: TeraLo
Ok Ok OK....here is something I have argued with many people about....I am
gonna start it here and see what everyone thinks....We need a good discussion
now and then....:) A off-road tire can be used as a variable gearing
device......:) lets get the minds a-thinkin!!!!! After I see what people
think I will post some math that will PROVE IT!!!!!
FlexyXJ
30713 From: Eric Herring <herring@q...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 6:43pm
Subject: RE: Re: TeraLo
Well it works for drag racers so why not.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: FLEXYXJ@aol.com [mailto:FLEXYXJ@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 6:34 PM
To: Mike@azchatfield.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; arizonaXJ@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: TeraLo
Ok Ok OK....here is something I have argued with many people about....I am
gonna start it here and see what everyone thinks....We need a good discussion
now and then....:) A off-road tire can be used as a variable gearing
device......:) lets get the minds a-thinkin!!!!! After I see what people
think I will post some math that will PROVE IT!!!!!
FlexyXJ
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30714 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 6:46pm
Subject: Re: [arizonaXJ] Re: Re: TeraLo
It is an easy experiment. Lower the tire pressure and see what sort of
fuel mileage you get on the street. It isn't only the engine struggling
but the tire diameter is reduced so it is making more rotations per
mile. Right?
Linda
FLEXYXJ@a... wrote:
>
> Ok Ok OK....here is something I have argued with many people about....I am
> gonna start it here and see what everyone thinks....We need a good discussion
> now and then....:) A off-road tire can be used as a variable gearing
> device......:) lets get the minds a-thinkin!!!!! After I see what people
> think I will post some math that will PROVE IT!!!!!
>
> FlexyXJ
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30715 From: Joe C <joejeeps@h...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 6:55pm
Subject: RR
95 wrangler, 35"tires
696? I'm I reading something into this score?
Score: 696RRv1.0
with a BOA of 23.50
30716 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 6:59pm
Subject: RE: Re: TeraLo
I am by no means an expert but... It would make sense. A smaller tire will afford you more torque.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
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From: FLEXYXJ@aol.com [mailto:FLEXYXJ@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 6:34 PM
To: Mike@azchatfield.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; arizonaXJ@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: TeraLo
Ok Ok OK....here is something I have argued with many people about....I am
gonna start it here and see what everyone thinks....We need a good discussion
now and then....:) A off-road tire can be used as a variable gearing
device......:) lets get the minds a-thinkin!!!!! After I see what people
think I will post some math that will PROVE IT!!!!!
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30692 From: <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 3:11pm
Subject: Re: ANOTHER emissions test questions
Your not supposed to crawl under the rock, your supposed to CRAWL
over them! That is unless you drive a Scout...:-o
Mike
P.S. to all: This is all in fun! DO NOT read into the JOKE at all!
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Legge" <scottlegge@h...> wrote:
> Sorry to kill the fun but I seem to be WAYYYYY off on most
controversial
> topics. Like this and the alcohol on the trail thread. SOOOO I
decided I am
> crawling under a rock and hiding from these kinds of threads. I am
never
> right and doesnt do me any good sounding like a ****y fool and
making people
> dislike my opinions and myself before I ever even meet anyone... I
dont
> sneak through emissions and the testing center at 40th street and
greenway
> happens to be the closest one to my house and I personally have had
fairly
> good luck there... Best of luck to all of you in the future getting
through
> the emissions regime!
>
>
> Scott Legge
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DesertJeep" <joey@d...>
> To: <jeepindog@y...>; "'Az_Vjc'" <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 1:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: ANOTHER emissions test questions
>
>
> > Lachlan,
> > Did *you* (read Scott's post)??
> > Maybe he wasn't, "condoning 'sneaking' through an emissions
check, or
> > advocating mods", but it reads pretty close.
> >
> > "You told them it was an 84??? I would have played as dumb as
possible
> > as long as possible."
> >
> > "If all else fails with the jerk offs you have to deal w/ local
go to
> > 40th street and greenway I assure you they dont have a clue."
> >
> > Joey K <----<<<< just downed a liter of Mt. Dew and ready to go :)
> > 93YJ
> > www.desertjeep.com
> >
> > PS. I think Scotts issue is more to the personnel then to the
testing
> > procedure or equipment. Except about the relevancy of an EGR
valve.
> > Scott correct me if I am wrong.
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:27 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: ANOTHER emissions test questions
> > >
> > >
> > > Joey,
> > >
> > > Did you actually read Scott's post? He was by no means
> > > whatsoever condoning "sneaking" through an emissions check, or
> > > advocating mods that make an engine more smoggy. (new word)
Holy
> > > fuel injection, Batman, it's a friggin' ****fest once again...
Just
> > > have fun and RELAX.
> > >
> > > Lachlan <--- VERY relaxed at the moment LOL, <grin> etc...
> > > >
> > > > > From: "DesertJeep" <joey@d...>
> > > > > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 07:08:51 -0700
> > > > > To: "'Scott Legge'" <scottlegge@h...>, "'AZVJC'"
<az_vjc@y...>
> > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] ANOTHER emissions test questions
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott,
> > > > > I am not in the same Choir as you. You should do what it
takes to
> > > pass
> > > > > and keep the vehicle that way. The air is bad enough in the
city
> > > without
> > > > > people like that contributing. You should feel lucky
Maricopa is
> > > as
> > > > > lenient as they are. There are other states and counties
that are
> > > more
> > > > > strict on vehicle inspection.
> > > > > So having said that... Finding a reputable mechanic that
knows
> > > what
> > > > > they're doin', and one you trust is the right way to go.
> > > Specially if
> > > > > you don't know what you are doin' under the hood of your
vehicle.
> > > > > IMO if someone modified a Jeep or Scout II and it does not
pass
> > > > > emissions test it wasn't done right.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joey K
> > > > > 93YJ
> > > > > www.desertjeep.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> From: Scott Legge [mailto:scottlegge@h...]
> > > > >> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:23 AM
> > > > >> To: AZVJC
> > > > >> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] ANOTHER emissions test questions
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You told them it was an 84??? I would have played as dumb
as
> > > > >> possible as long as possible. :) Then again I am a
> > > "punk" 20 year
> > > > >> old... ;) Who obviously by my young age knows nothing
> > > about cars,
> > > > >> engines, trannys, or any other mechanical device... All I
do is
> > > > >> party and do drugs and drink! I am not gonna get dirty
> > > under no car
> > > > >> certainly any jeep where there is mud and grease! ok
enough
> > > > >> sarcasm... As for those bafoons the less they know the
> > > better and
> > > > >> the less you act like you know the better.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Emissions nazi: "what year block is in it?"
> > > > >> You: "not sure its what It came with when I bought it..."
> > > > >>
> > > > >> AND if they start trying to babble techno garbage at you
> > > to confuse
> > > > >> you tell them your "mechanic said..." in response to
> > > their crap. If
> > > > >> all else fails with the jerk offs you have to deal w/
> > > local go to
> > > > >> 40th street and greenway I assure you they dont have a
clue.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> As a side note somewhat on topic... In california red
> > > light cameras
> > > > >> were in use on labor day weekend and hundreds of tickets
> > > had to be
> > > > >> thrown out of court because the cameras were owned and
> > > maintained
> > > > >> by a private company. Private companies CANNOT enforce the
law.
> > > > >> When you test your vehicles you write a check to V.I.P.
NOT Az
> > > > >> state or any part of it... TECHNICALLY you can fight the
whole
> > > > >> goddam thing and not test with those *******s ever
> > > again. BUT get a
> > > > >> good lawyer because no judge will want to set precedence
on that
> > > case :)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Sorry for the language but I am very VERY VERY
> > > passionate about the
> > > > >> (again pardon my french) ****edupppedness of the whole
> > > process of
> > > > >> emissions testing and tags... I agree it needs to be in
> > > place for
> > > > >> some beaters out there but 99% of the vehicles that dont
> > > pass get
> > > > >> rigged somehow to pass and undo the patch for daily use...
I
> > > > >> personally know of 8 cases off hand that do this
> > > (usually removable
> > > > >> cats on hi po cars)... Anyway enough preaching to the
choir.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Scott Legge
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> From: "Blake Shepherd" <shepherdblake@y...>
> > > > >> To: "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>; <az_vjc@y...>
> > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 10:10 PM
> > > > >> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] ANOTHER emissions test questions
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> My 80CJ5 never had to be emmissioned before Novemeber
> > > > >>> of 2000 (I lived in areas that didn't require it). It
has a
> > > > >>> carbureated 350 small block from a '84 Elcamino. In
November, I
> > > > >>> took it to the emmissions place on Chandler and I-10.
> > > The CJ had
> > > > >>> only Cats for emmissions components. They wouldn't
> > > even test the
> > > > >>> tailpipe emmisions because they immediately saw that
> > > > >>> my carb didn't have a bowl vent and I had no charcoal
> > > canister. I
> > > > >>> didn't know what to do, so they sent me to the level two
folks
> > > in
> > > > >>> downtown Phoenix. Those guys wanted to know what exact
> > > year the
> > > > >>> engine was ('84). I was instructed to get a smog legal
> > > carb and a
> > > > >>> charcoal canister. I renturned a week later with a
charcoal
> > > > >>> canister from a junked '80s chevy. I thought I could
sneak the
> > > > >>> carb bowl vent by them. They turned me down again on
> > > account that
> > > > >>> the charcoal canister had only 4 ports and the claimed
> > > I needed a
> > > > >>> 5 port canister. They also noticed the non emmission carb
> > > > >>> again. I ended up having to buy a new carb and new
> > > > >>> charcoal canister. On the fourth time there, they
> > > > >>> finally smogged it using the standards for a '84 chevy
> > > > >>> truck.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I think the moral of the story is simple: Your results may
> > > > >>> vary....
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Blake
> > > > >>> 80CJ5
> > > > >>> 01 TJ
> > > > >>> --- Jay Eller <jay@t...> wrote:
> > > > >>>> OK.....I may come off a little ****y with my reply,
> > > > >>>> but it is ONLY
> > > > >>>> because I am EXTREMELY confident in what I know
> > > > >>>> about this area.
> > > > >>>> Background.....I have an '83 CJ7 with a carbureted
> > > > >>>> 350. Block is 4
> > > > >>>> bolt, heads are from a '67 El Camino, etc.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Here is the story. In 1981, the emissions standards
changed
> > > their
> > > > >>>> testing to use an IM240 test. Somehow they changed
> > > > >>>> how they ran the
> > > > >>>> test and some other BS. The short of it is, any
> > > > >>>> vehicle made before
> > > > >>>> 1981, they will do an underhood inspection and
> > > > >>>> verify that ALL of the
> > > > >>>> emissions control items are there and in "working" order.
> > > > >>>> Example, a friend of mine has a '74 chevy blazer. It
came with
> > > > >>>> a PCV valve and
> > > > >>>> lines that ran charcoal canister into the air
> > > > >>>> filter. Without them in
> > > > >>>> place, he fails. Put them there, he passes. They
> > > > >>>> also check tail pipe
> > > > >>>> emissions to ensure they meet the standards passed
> > > > >>>> for that year of
> > > > >>>> vehicle.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Now.....if your vehicle is manufactured in '81 and
> > > > >>>> newer (up to the last
> > > > >>>> 5 years where they are exempt from testing), they
> > > > >>>> ONLY check 3 items.
> > > > >>>> 1) Does the gas cap hold pressure 2) Does the gas
tank hold
> > > > >>>> pressure (ie no leaks) 3) Does is pass the smog
requirement
> > > > >>>> out the tail pipe
> > > > >>>> for vehicles manufactured in that year. THAT IS ALL
> > > > >>>> THEY CHECK. You
> > > > >>>> will need to have a charcoal canister in place for
> > > > >>>> tank vapor recovery
> > > > >>>> only because they will check to see that it is there
> > > > >>>> since that is where
> > > > >>>> they pinch the line before doing the tank pressure
> > > > >>>> test.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Example: I have an '83 CJ7 with a 350. Engine
> > > > >>>> type is "general" on
> > > > >>>> their system that they enter. I do not have pulse
> > > > >>>> air (required in '83)
> > > > >>>> or PCV valve (required in '83). I do have catalytic
> > > converters
> > > > >>>> because I felt I would not pass emission standard
> > > without them.
> > > > >>>> If I could pass tail pipe emission without them, I would
remove
> > > > >>>> them. They never once
> > > > >>>> looked for them.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> So, those of you with vehicles before '81, you gotta
have the
> > > > >>>> stuff (unless the inspector is dumb and just doesn't look
> > > > >>>> for it). Those in
> > > > >>>> '81 and newer, just pass the tail pipe smog, seal
> > > > >>>> your tank, and get a
> > > > >>>> good gas cap, then your good to go.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Believe me, this is the REAL DEAL!!!!!! This is the
> > > > >> legality of it.
> > > > >>>> Anyone tells you differently, then doubt seriously
> > > > >>>> that they know what
> > > > >>>> they are talking about. Even the guys in the bays
> > > > >>>> doing the tests won't
> > > > >>>> really have a good idea. Talk to a manager and have
> > > > >>>> him show you it in
> > > > >>>> writing if you have doubts. My source is an
> > > > >>>> emissions control station
> > > > >>>> manager and the depart of transportation.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> --
> > > > >>>> ----------------------------
> > > > >>>> Jay Eller (http://www.goodnet.com/~eller)
> > > > >>>> http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
> > > > >>>>
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30693 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 3:16pm
Subject: RE: Re: ANOTHER emissions test questions
Scott,
No worries man. I understood what you meant, I think. I used to get
frustrated with my '79 Celica back in the day. I even had to get a
waiver because they did not know why it was failing at the waiver
station. Hey and I feel pity for the people at those stations. It's no
wonder why they are the way they are. You could go in a rocket scientist
and after a few months of breathing fumes from the cars that wish they
could pass you will come out trying to remember how to spell you own
name. :) It's all good. Hope to see you on the trail.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Legge [mailto:scottlegge@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 1:48 PM
> To: DesertJeep; AZVJC
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: ANOTHER emissions test questions
>
>
> Sorry to kill the fun but I seem to be WAYYYYY off on most
> controversial topics. Like this and the alcohol on the trail
> thread. SOOOO I decided I am crawling under a rock and hiding
> from these kinds of threads. I am never right and doesnt do
> me any good sounding like a ****y fool and making people
> dislike my opinions and myself before I ever even meet
> anyone... I dont sneak through emissions and the testing
> center at 40th street and greenway happens to be the closest
> one to my house and I personally have had fairly good luck
> there... Best of luck to all of you in the future getting
> through the emissions regime!
>
>
> Scott Legge
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DesertJeep" <joey@d...>
> To: <jeepindog@y...>; "'Az_Vjc'" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 1:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: ANOTHER emissions test questions
>
>
> > Lachlan,
> > Did *you* (read Scott's post)??
> > Maybe he wasn't, "condoning 'sneaking' through an emissions
> check, or
> > advocating mods", but it reads pretty close.
> >
> > "You told them it was an 84??? I would have played as dumb
> as possible
> > as long as possible."
> >
> > "If all else fails with the jerk offs you have to deal w/
> local go to
> > 40th street and greenway I assure you they dont have a clue."
> >
> > Joey K <----<<<< just downed a liter of Mt. Dew and ready to go :)
> > 93YJ www.desertjeep.com
> >
> > PS. I think Scotts issue is more to the personnel then to
> the testing
> > procedure or equipment. Except about the relevancy of an EGR valve.
> > Scott correct me if I am wrong.
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:27 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: ANOTHER emissions test questions
> > >
> > >
> > > Joey,
> > >
> > > Did you actually read Scott's post? He was by no means
> > > whatsoever condoning "sneaking" through an emissions check, or
> > > advocating mods that make an engine more smoggy. (new
> word) Holy
> > > fuel injection, Batman, it's a friggin' ****fest once
> again... Just
> > > have fun and RELAX.
> > >
> > > Lachlan <--- VERY relaxed at the moment LOL, <grin> etc...
> > > >
> > > > > From: "DesertJeep" <joey@d...>
> > > > > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 07:08:51 -0700
> > > > > To: "'Scott Legge'" <scottlegge@h...>, "'AZVJC'" <az_vjc@y...>
> > > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] ANOTHER emissions test questions
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott,
> > > > > I am not in the same Choir as you. You should do what
> it takes
> > > > > to
> > > pass
> > > > > and keep the vehicle that way. The air is bad enough
> in the city
> > > without
> > > > > people like that contributing. You should feel lucky
> Maricopa is
> > > as
> > > > > lenient as they are. There are other states and counties that
> > > > > are
> > > more
> > > > > strict on vehicle inspection.
> > > > > So having said that... Finding a reputable mechanic that knows
> > > what
> > > > > they're doin', and one you trust is the right way to go.
> > > Specially if
> > > > > you don't know what you are doin' under the hood of your
> > > > > vehicle. IMO if someone modified a Jeep or Scout II
> and it does
> > > > > not pass emissions test it wasn't done right.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joey K
> > > > > 93YJ
> > > > > www.desertjeep.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> From: Scott Legge [mailto:scottlegge@h...]
> > > > >> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:23 AM
> > > > >> To: AZVJC
> > > > >> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] ANOTHER emissions test questions
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You told them it was an 84??? I would have played as dumb as
> > > > >> possible as long as possible. :) Then again I am a
> > > "punk" 20 year
> > > > >> old... ;) Who obviously by my young age knows nothing
> > > about cars,
> > > > >> engines, trannys, or any other mechanical device...
> All I do is
> > > > >> party and do drugs and drink! I am not gonna get dirty
> > > under no car
> > > > >> certainly any jeep where there is mud and grease! ok enough
> > > > >> sarcasm... As for those bafoons the less they know the
> > > better and
> > > > >> the less you act like you know the better.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Emissions nazi: "what year block is in it?"
> > > > >> You: "not sure its what It came with when I bought it..."
> > > > >>
> > > > >> AND if they start trying to babble techno garbage at you
> > > to confuse
> > > > >> you tell them your "mechanic said..." in response to
> > > their crap. If
> > > > >> all else fails with the jerk offs you have to deal w/
> > > local go to
> > > > >> 40th street and greenway I assure you they dont have a clue.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> As a side note somewhat on topic... In california red
> > > light cameras
> > > > >> were in use on labor day weekend and hundreds of tickets
> > > had to be
> > > > >> thrown out of court because the cameras were owned and
> > > maintained
> > > > >> by a private company. Private companies CANNOT
> enforce the law.
> > > > >> When you test your vehicles you write a check to
> V.I.P. NOT Az
> > > > >> state or any part of it... TECHNICALLY you can fight
> the whole
> > > > >> goddam thing and not test with those *******s ever
> > > again. BUT get a
> > > > >> good lawyer because no judge will want to set precedence on
> > > > >> that
> > > case :)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Sorry for the language but I am very VERY VERY
> > > passionate about the
> > > > >> (again pardon my french) ****edupppedness of the whole
> > > process of
> > > > >> emissions testing and tags... I agree it needs to be in
> > > place for
> > > > >> some beaters out there but 99% of the vehicles that dont
> > > pass get
> > > > >> rigged somehow to pass and undo the patch for daily use... I
> > > > >> personally know of 8 cases off hand that do this
> > > (usually removable
> > > > >> cats on hi po cars)... Anyway enough preaching to the choir.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Scott Legge
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> From: "Blake Shepherd" <shepherdblake@y...>
> > > > >> To: "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>; <az_vjc@y...>
> > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 10:10 PM
> > > > >> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] ANOTHER emissions test questions
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> My 80CJ5 never had to be emmissioned before
> Novemeber of 2000
> > > > >>> (I lived in areas that didn't require it). It has a
> > > > >>> carbureated 350 small block from a '84 Elcamino. In
> November,
> > > > >>> I took it to the emmissions place on Chandler and I-10.
> > > The CJ had
> > > > >>> only Cats for emmissions components. They wouldn't
> > > even test the
> > > > >>> tailpipe emmisions because they immediately saw
> that my carb
> > > > >>> didn't have a bowl vent and I had no charcoal
> > > canister. I
> > > > >>> didn't know what to do, so they sent me to the
> level two folks
> > > in
> > > > >>> downtown Phoenix. Those guys wanted to know what exact
> > > year the
> > > > >>> engine was ('84). I was instructed to get a smog legal
> > > carb and a
> > > > >>> charcoal canister. I renturned a week later with a
> charcoal
> > > > >>> canister from a junked '80s chevy. I thought I could sneak
> > > > >>> the carb bowl vent by them. They turned me down again on
> > > account that
> > > > >>> the charcoal canister had only 4 ports and the claimed
> > > I needed a
> > > > >>> 5 port canister. They also noticed the non emmission carb
> > > > >>> again. I ended up having to buy a new carb and new
> charcoal
> > > > >>> canister. On the fourth time there, they finally
> smogged it
> > > > >>> using the standards for a '84 chevy truck.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I think the moral of the story is simple: Your results may
> > > > >>> vary....
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Blake
> > > > >>> 80CJ5
> > > > >>> 01 TJ
> > > > >>> --- Jay Eller <jay@t...> wrote:
> > > > >>>> OK.....I may come off a little ****y with my
> reply, but it is
> > > > >>>> ONLY because I am EXTREMELY confident in what I know
> > > > >>>> about this area.
> > > > >>>> Background.....I have an '83 CJ7 with a carbureted
> > > > >>>> 350. Block is 4
> > > > >>>> bolt, heads are from a '67 El Camino, etc.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Here is the story. In 1981, the emissions
> standards changed
> > > their
> > > > >>>> testing to use an IM240 test. Somehow they
> changed how they
> > > > >>>> ran the test and some other BS. The short of it is, any
> > > > >>>> vehicle made before
> > > > >>>> 1981, they will do an underhood inspection and
> > > > >>>> verify that ALL of the
> > > > >>>> emissions control items are there and in "working" order.
> > > > >>>> Example, a friend of mine has a '74 chevy blazer.
> It came with
> > > > >>>> a PCV valve and
> > > > >>>> lines that ran charcoal canister into the air
> > > > >>>> filter. Without them in
> > > > >>>> place, he fails. Put them there, he passes. They
> > > > >>>> also check tail pipe
> > > > >>>> emissions to ensure they meet the standards passed
> > > > >>>> for that year of
> > > > >>>> vehicle.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Now.....if your vehicle is manufactured in '81 and
> newer (up
> > > > >>>> to the last 5 years where they are exempt from
> testing), they
> > > > >>>> ONLY check 3 items.
> > > > >>>> 1) Does the gas cap hold pressure 2) Does the
> gas tank hold
> > > > >>>> pressure (ie no leaks) 3) Does is pass the smog
> requirement
> > > > >>>> out the tail pipe
> > > > >>>> for vehicles manufactured in that year. THAT IS ALL
> > > > >>>> THEY CHECK. You
> > > > >>>> will need to have a charcoal canister in place for
> > > > >>>> tank vapor recovery
> > > > >>>> only because they will check to see that it is there
> > > > >>>> since that is where
> > > > >>>> they pinch the line before doing the tank pressure
> > > > >>>> test.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Example: I have an '83 CJ7 with a 350. Engine type is
> > > > >>>> "general" on their system that they enter. I do not have
> > > > >>>> pulse air (required in '83)
> > > > >>>> or PCV valve (required in '83). I do have catalytic
> > > converters
> > > > >>>> because I felt I would not pass emission standard
> > > without them.
> > > > >>>> If I could pass tail pipe emission without them, I would
> > > > >>>> remove them. They never once looked for them.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> So, those of you with vehicles before '81, you
> gotta have the
> > > > >>>> stuff (unless the inspector is dumb and just
> doesn't look for
> > > > >>>> it). Those in '81 and newer, just pass the tail
> pipe smog,
> > > > >>>> seal your tank, and get a
> > > > >>>> good gas cap, then your good to go.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Believe me, this is the REAL DEAL!!!!!! This is the
> > > > >> legality of it.
> > > > >>>> Anyone tells you differently, then doubt seriously
> that they
> > > > >>>> know what they are talking about. Even the guys
> in the bays
> > > > >>>> doing the tests won't
> > > > >>>> really have a good idea. Talk to a manager and have
> > > > >>>> him show you it in
> > > > >>>> writing if you have doubts. My source is an
> > > > >>>> emissions control station
> > > > >>>> manager and the depart of transportation.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> --
> > > > >>>> ----------------------------
> > > > >>>> Jay Eller (http://www.goodnet.com/~eller)
> > > > >>>> http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
> > > > >>>>
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> > > > >>>>
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30694 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 3:19pm
Subject: OR Fab
I spent some time down at OR Fab. Mark is a nice guy. They just moved into a
new building and are busy setting it up. He is going to get with me, and my
Jeep, and make a spare/gas can/hi-lift carrier. This will be for TJ's that
have flush mount tail lights. He was very honest in saying, they haven't had
much call for them yet although, the demand and inquiries are going up. I am
not in a hurry for it, yet, so the timing between the both of us is good.
So for those that have flush mounts and want one their carriers help is on
the way. Thanks Mark.
--James
30695 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 3:19pm
Subject: RE: Rig Rater
But considerably higher then mine. And I got a nice capable Jeep.
344RRv1.0
Break-Over Angle (BOA) is 21.40 degrees
Did I do something wrong? Must be the stuff like lockers that rate you
the points.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tomedson@a... [mailto:tomedson@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 2:24 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Rig Rater
>
>
> Here's my score (76 CJ5 - 304V8) - looks considerably lower than some
> of yours:
>
> My RigRater Score: 437RRv1.0 with a BOA of 22.52 --
> http://www.rigrater.com
>
>
>
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30696 From: TRobertsRN <TRobertsRN@e...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 3:37pm
Subject: help, won't start
New problem with Cherokee. Has been starting without problems and has a new optima battery. Recently had A/C repaired and was still starting no problem. Went to start today and I just get one click and amp gauge pegs to the positive side on the right. Put my battery charger on it and does the same on the start setting, and also after charging up the battery. After battery is charge and I attempt to start one time gauge on battery charger reads as if battery is completely discharged again. Sounds like a short to me but where are the likely places to look. My CB and stereo work, headlights and front turn signals work, but rear running lights and turn signals do not (were fine before). Not sure if break lights work as I am home alone.
78 Cherokee WT
30697 From: TRobertsRN <TRobertsRN@e...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 3:40pm
Subject: Re: help won't start
I solved the rear lights problem, was disconnected wiring likely since I had the new bumper made and installed. Still won't start though.
Tom
78 Cherokee WT
30698 From: bonnie durdaller <bdurdaller@y...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 3:44pm
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to az_vjc
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30699 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 3:56pm
Subject: Re: Rig Rater
Joey,
I think mine was a 599. Do you still have the transfer case lowering
on yours? I am not exactly sure what the stock tranfer case is
either, as far as gearing.
The difference between John's long arms and Scott's is interesting.
Like you said, your driving skills aren't factored in.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> But considerably higher then mine. And I got a nice capable Jeep.
> 344RRv1.0
> Break-Over Angle (BOA) is 21.40 degrees
> Did I do something wrong? Must be the stuff like lockers that rate
you
> the points.
> Joey K
> 93YJ
> www.desertjeep.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tomedson@a... [mailto:tomedson@a...]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 2:24 PM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Rig Rater
> >
> >
> > Here's my score (76 CJ5 - 304V8) - looks considerably lower than
some
> > of yours:
> >
> > My RigRater Score: 437RRv1.0 with a BOA of 22.52 --
> > http://www.rigrater.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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30700 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 3:57pm
Subject: RE: help, won't start
Wonder if it could be your starter? Sometimes if a starter (or solenoid) is bad it could act as a short. Checker or AutoZone can check the starter pretty easy. You may have to remove it from the vehicle though.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
-----Original Message-----
From: TRobertsRN [mailto:TRobertsRN@email.msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 3:38 PM
To: FSJ-List@yahoogroups.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; AZ_FSJA@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] help, won't start
New problem with Cherokee. Has been starting without problems and has a new optima battery. Recently had A/C repaired and was still starting no problem. Went to start today and I just get one click and amp gauge pegs to the positive side on the right. Put my battery charger on it and does the same on the start setting, and also after charging up the battery. After battery is charge and I attempt to start one time gauge on battery charger reads as if battery is completely discharged again. Sounds like a short to me but where are the likely places to look. My CB and stereo work, headlights and front turn signals work, but rear running lights and turn signals do not (were fine before). Not sure if break lights work as I am home alone.
78 Cherokee WT
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30701 From: <Mike@A...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 4:06pm
Subject: Re: ANOTHER emissions test questions
I just had to jump in on this one...
This whole emissions thing started back in the early 70's when it was
discovered that traffic in major cities was responsible for about
half the pollution (depending on the city).
Over the years, emissions standards have changed, and gasoline
burning automobile emissions have nearly disappeared, as now these
vehicles are responsible for about 2% of the pollution – that's
right, about 2%. See the original environmentalist (who would now
prefer to be called "conservationist" for obvious reasons) had a good
idea. However, sometime in the late 80's/early 90's the whole Environ-
Nazi movement got started, and they pushed a good, sensible thing
into something that is on the verge of being insanely stupid. Now
that gasoline-powered autos are only responsible for 2% of the
pollution instead of going after the next big polluters (Diesels and
Airlines) they continue to target gasoline-powered autos.
At this point, you have to ask, what is their ultimate goal? Not
sure, but I can hazard a guess. Many of the Environ-Nazi
organizations (Sierra Club, Earth First, etc…) have made statements
to the effect that they would like to return the West back into a
wilderness area. Not portions of the west, mind you, they want the
whole thing; basically all of what the Louisiana Purchase
encompassed. Their goal is to move everyone from the West into big
cities back East, like New York City. In places like New York City,
the average person can live without ever owning a car simply because
everything is within walking distance or mass transit.
The idea of a having every vehicle pass an emissions test is a great
idea, but the system sucks. Next time you're stopped on the Freeway
in "rush" hour traffic, take a look around. Look at every car in
front, behind, next to and in the opposite lane from you. Now look
around and find one semi-truck, usually they are from out of state
and have no real emission standards to pass. That one truck is
putting out more pollution than all of the cars around you. Now take
another look around, look at all of the Semi-Trucks stuck in traffic;
think about how many of those trucks are stuck around the city at
that very moment. Now look out, and see that big 727 that just took
off from Sky Harbor Airport. That single airplane puts out more
pollution taking off than all those trucks do in the same amount of
time.
So what is the deal? Why is the government focusing on our cars,
which if they managed to completely get rid of all the emissions that
they produce, would only reduce the pollution by 2% instead of
focusing on Semi-Trucks and Aircraft? The reason is simple: Airlines
and Trucking companies routinely lobby the lawmakers, and provide
nice fat campaign contributions. Us consumers don't do that, and we
as a people generally don't stand up for our rights until it is too
late.
So don't get too passionate about the joke of an emissions standard
test that we have here, it just isn't worth it.
BTW, do you realize that since the mid 1980's it is impossible to
kill yourself by closing up the garage and letting the engine run.
(Providing of course you're using mid-80's car with function
emissions equipment) About the most you'll accomplish is to pass out,
and wake up with an extreme headache after the car runs out of gas.
With some of the newer (95 up) vehicles, I don't think you'll even
pass out.
- Mike
30702 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 4:10pm
Subject: RE: Help fight the endangered species act...
Did it. thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: jsteele1999@y... [mailto:jsteele1999@y...]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 2:24 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Help fight the endangered species act...
http://capwiz.com/offroad/issues/alert/?alertid=41225&type=PR&azip=
A few keystrokes, a few clicks, and you've got a letter off to the
prez and vice prez.
Jerry
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30703 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 4:16pm
Subject: RE: Re: Rig Rater
What is the T-Case Gearing low range for a 93YJ 4 cylinder? That seems
to be worth about 10 points.
I got a Tow Strap today and now my rating went up to 380!!! I have a 3.5
inch lift and running 33s. The bottom of the skid is up 17 inches. And
that is without a skid lowering kit.
No worries. Like I said you can have a 860 with BOA=29.84 but not know
how to drive! (big grin to... you know who you are)
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 3:56 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Rig Rater
>
>
> Joey,
>
> I think mine was a 599. Do you still have the transfer case lowering
> on yours? I am not exactly sure what the stock tranfer case is
> either, as far as gearing.
> The difference between John's long arms and Scott's is interesting.
>
> Like you said, your driving skills aren't factored in.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> > But considerably higher then mine. And I got a nice capable Jeep.
> > 344RRv1.0
> > Break-Over Angle (BOA) is 21.40 degrees
> > Did I do something wrong? Must be the stuff like lockers that rate
> you
> > the points.
> > Joey K
> > 93YJ
> > www.desertjeep.com
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: tomedson@a... [mailto:tomedson@a...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 2:24 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Rig Rater
> > >
> > >
> > > Here's my score (76 CJ5 - 304V8) - looks considerably lower than
> some
> > > of yours:
> > >
> > > My RigRater Score: 437RRv1.0 with a BOA of 22.52 --
> > > http://www.rigrater.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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30704 From: <JNB4PLS@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 0:16pm
Subject: Rig Rater score
James,
I believe the difference in my rating and Scotts is that he is locked up
front and has a Teralow thus the higher 706RR vs my 663RR. As far as the
Break Over angle score goes mine might be higher because I'm running 36"PJ's
that measure almost 37" giving me a t-case skid clearance of 22". Which I
have found out means nothing by my innate ability to still get hung up on
rocks ;-)
John Butler
30705 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 5:06pm
Subject: [FS] 1988 258ci. runs great/all accessories TRADE?
Price: $600 OBO
Contact: Matt 602-284-0414 mosgood@goprolink.com
complete with wiring / water pump/ alternator/ starter / ac / serp belt / radiator / fan / clutch...
Mobil 1 motor - I know the history of it... did a vette motor swap
Peugoet tranny for sale also
Trades considered, in need of front and rear axles
Mosgood@goprolink.com
Matt Osgood
30706 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 5:15pm
Subject: RE: help, won't start
What is confusing is the amp meter reading.
"Went to start today and I just get one click and amp gauge pegs to the positive side on the right."
For the amp meter to peg positive (assuming it is working), there would have to be current being pushed into the battery (charging it).
For the amp meter to deflect negative, current would be flowing out of the battery (discharging it).
Like I said.....it makes no sense assuming the amp meter is in fact working.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 3:57 PM
To: 'TRobertsRN'; 'Az_Vjc'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] help, won't start
Wonder if it could be your starter? Sometimes if a starter (or solenoid) is bad it could act as a short. Checker or AutoZone can check the starter pretty easy. You may have to remove it from the vehicle though.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
-----Original Message-----
From: TRobertsRN [mailto:TRobertsRN@email.msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 3:38 PM
To: FSJ-List@yahoogroups.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; AZ_FSJA@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] help, won't start
New problem with Cherokee. Has been starting without problems and has a new optima battery. Recently had A/C repaired and was still starting no problem. Went to start today and I just get one click and amp gauge pegs to the positive side on the right. Put my battery charger on it and does the same on the start setting, and also after charging up the battery. After battery is charge and I attempt to start one time gauge on battery charger reads as if battery is completely discharged again. Sounds like a short to me but where are the likely places to look. My CB and stereo work, headlights and front turn signals work, but rear running lights and turn signals do not (were fine before). Not sure if break lights work as I am home alone.
78 Cherokee WT
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30707 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 5:34pm
Subject: SYE Help
Hey all,
I am not going to be able to do the soa this weekend but I figured I could get the SYE out of the way. Anyhow I feel pretty confident in doing it myself, I would just like to have someone around who has done it before just in case. BTW It is a JB conversions kit and I live in Chandler. TIA
Scott "Iron" Maiden
93 Green YJ(Soon to be SOA)
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30708 From: <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2001 4:22pm
Subject: Member Sighting
East bound 101 around 51st Ave, I was in the Yellow TJ, you in the
White XJ. Didn't know if you saw me or not.
Mike Baney
30709 From: <nickcarrie@h...>
Date: Wed Sep 5, 2001 11:42am
Subject: F.S. Cobra 75 wxst cb, KC Mounts
This is a Cobra 75 wxst compact remote mount cb radio with sound
tracker system 40 radio channels 10 weather channels, just about
brand new.
asking 80.00 bucks,
I also have hinge mounts to mount your kc lights on your window still
in box. they are black.
asking 20.00
phoenix480@a...
4809620490
Nick
30710 From: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 6:21pm
Subject: Poll results for az_vjc
The following az_vjc poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:
POLL QUESTION: Should trail information on the AzVJC
website be for members only?
CHOICES AND RESULTS
- No, Keep it as it is., 10 votes, 38.46%
- Yes, Only members should be able to access trail information., 11 votes, 42.31%
- Yes and No, It would be bennificial if SOME trails' info were for members only., 5 votes, 19.23%
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30711 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 6:29pm
Subject: RE: help, won't start
Stu,
It would make sense if say the starter was stuck or shorted thereby drawing current. My understanding of the amp meter is, it is telling you how much current is being drawn from the battery. Just the opposite of a volt meter.
Are you thinking of a volt meter maybe?
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 5:15 PM
To: DesertJeep; 'TRobertsRN'; 'Az_Vjc'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] help, won't start
What is confusing is the amp meter reading.
"Went to start today and I just get one click and amp gauge pegs to the positive side on the right."
For the amp meter to peg positive (assuming it is working), there would have to be current being pushed into the battery (charging it).
For the amp meter to deflect negative, current would be flowing out of the battery (discharging it).
Like I said.....it makes no sense assuming the amp meter is in fact working.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 3:57 PM
To: 'TRobertsRN'; 'Az_Vjc'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] help, won't start
Wonder if it could be your starter? Sometimes if a starter (or solenoid) is bad it could act as a short. Checker or AutoZone can check the starter pretty easy. You may have to remove it from the vehicle though.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
-----Original Message-----
From: TRobertsRN [mailto:TRobertsRN@email.msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 3:38 PM
To: FSJ-List@yahoogroups.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; AZ_FSJA@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] help, won't start
New problem with Cherokee. Has been starting without problems and has a new optima battery. Recently had A/C repaired and was still starting no problem. Went to start today and I just get one click and amp gauge pegs to the positive side on the right. Put my battery charger on it and does the same on the start setting, and also after charging up the battery. After battery is charge and I attempt to start one time gauge on battery charger reads as if battery is completely discharged again. Sounds like a short to me but where are the likely places to look. My CB and stereo work, headlights and front turn signals work, but rear running lights and turn signals do not (were fine before). Not sure if break lights work as I am home alone.
78 Cherokee WT
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30712 From: <FLEXYXJ@a...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 2:34pm
Subject: Re: Re: TeraLo
Ok Ok OK....here is something I have argued with many people about....I am
gonna start it here and see what everyone thinks....We need a good discussion
now and then....:) A off-road tire can be used as a variable gearing
device......:) lets get the minds a-thinkin!!!!! After I see what people
think I will post some math that will PROVE IT!!!!!
FlexyXJ
30713 From: Eric Herring <herring@q...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 6:43pm
Subject: RE: Re: TeraLo
Well it works for drag racers so why not.
Eric Herring 92XJ
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Ok Ok OK....here is something I have argued with many people about....I am
gonna start it here and see what everyone thinks....We need a good discussion
now and then....:) A off-road tire can be used as a variable gearing
device......:) lets get the minds a-thinkin!!!!! After I see what people
think I will post some math that will PROVE IT!!!!!
FlexyXJ
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30714 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 6:46pm
Subject: Re: [arizonaXJ] Re: Re: TeraLo
It is an easy experiment. Lower the tire pressure and see what sort of
fuel mileage you get on the street. It isn't only the engine struggling
but the tire diameter is reduced so it is making more rotations per
mile. Right?
Linda
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30715 From: Joe C <joejeeps@h...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 6:55pm
Subject: RR
95 wrangler, 35"tires
696? I'm I reading something into this score?
Score: 696RRv1.0
with a BOA of 23.50
30716 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Sep 6, 2001 6:59pm
Subject: RE: Re: TeraLo
I am by no means an expert but... It would make sense. A smaller tire will afford you more torque.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
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Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: TeraLo
Ok Ok OK....here is something I have argued with many people about....I am
gonna start it here and see what everyone thinks....We need a good discussion
now and then....:) A off-road tire can be used as a variable gearing
device......:) lets get the minds a-thinkin!!!!! After I see what people
think I will post some math that will PROVE IT!!!!!
FlexyXJ
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