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30392 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 2:50pm
Subject: [FS] HARDTOP FOR CJ7 (WILL FIT EARLY YJ W/O THIRD BRAKE LIGHT
Price: $250.00 OR OFFER...WILL TRADE FOR FULL DOORS FOR YJ, OR ??
Contact: 480-940-7263 OR E-MAIL JKRYN@QWEST.NET
HARD TOP FOR CJ7...DARK PRIMER GREY IN COLOR..TOP IN
GOOD SHAPE...LIFT GATE IN GOOD SHAPE WITH MINOR RUST (SOLID)
ALL WINDOW GLASS IN GOOD SHAPE...HARDWARE ALL THERE, NO KEY TO
LIFTGATE LOCK. READY TO PAINT WITH MINOR SANDING AND GLAZING PUTTY.
TOP HAS GLUE STRIPS IN THE INTERIOR WHERE SOMEONE HAD REMOVED
THE LINER..NEEDS A NEW LINER, GLUE STRIPS DO NOT WANT TO COME OUT...
ASKING $250.00 OR BEST OFFER...WILL CONSIDER TRADING THE
HARDTOP FOR ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
* DOORS FOR MY YJ
* LIFT KIT (NOT BODY LIFT) FOR THE YJ
* WHEELS AND TIRES IN GOOD SHAPE (5 X 4.5 FOR JEEP)
32" OR 33"
* UPPER DOOR SLIDERS...SPICE IN COLOR CANVAS
FIBERGLASS
Jerry Kryn
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30393 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 2:55pm
Subject: CJ6 FS
Saw a white CJ6 FS near Country Club and Broadway (on the east side), in
Mesa. Didn't get a chance to stop and check it out, but it looked in very
good shape.
30394 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 2:58pm
Subject: MS: 101 to 60
I spotted Larry F heading off at 8:45AM. He had that Yellow Wrangler loaded
down.
ChrisK - You need to talk to him about those air bags.
--James
30395 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 3:03pm
Subject: Moab 9/15 - ??
Tim Naylor and I will be doing approx 5 to 6 days of Jeeping heaven in Moab.
Will go up Sat, the 15th (or there abouts), and wheel until we puke, then
head back probably later that week or 9/22 at the latest. We'll be staying
at the Red Rock. Trails we'll likely do will be Hell's Revenge, Pritchard
Canyon, Moab Rim, Golden Spike, Poison Spider, and what ever else we can
find.
Anyway, it's be great if we could get another couple of Jeeps to join us.
Anyone interested??
Doug
30396 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 3:15pm
Subject: You said count Sheep, I thought you said Jeep...
What happens when Jeepers count XJ's instead of sheep...
http://www.ilovejeeps.net/showthread.php?threadid=2834
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
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30397 From: Blake Shepherd <shepherdblake@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 3:43pm
Subject: Re: Looking for clutch pedal from 80-83 CJ with 4cyl
My old '80 used to have a 4 banger. The clutch and
brake pedal are part the same assembly. I don't think
they easily come apart.
Blake
80CJ5
01 TJ
--- jeeperaz@b... wrote:
> I need the (hydraulic) clutch pedal from any 80-83
> CJ that had the
> 4cylinder engine.
>
> Does anyone have one of these laying around in their
> misc. parts box?
> I've tried the local salvage yards with no luck.
>
>
> Regards,
> Larry
>
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30398 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 4:23pm
Subject: [FS] Wanted 4.10 gears.
Price:
Contact: Dennis Thomadsckthomas@uswest.net
I am looking for a set of 4.10 gears for my 85 CJ7. It has a model 30 front and a Model 20 rear { I think}.
I might be interested in lockers for both.
Dennis Thomas
30399 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 4:33pm
Subject: [FS] Wanted: 4.10 gears
Price: Whatever they are worth.
Contact: Dennis Thomas, dsckthomas@uswest.net
I am looking for a set of 4.10 gears for my
'85 CJ7. It has a model 30 front end and a
model 20 {I think} rear end. Also, I might
be interested in lockers for both.
Dennis Thomas
30400 From: <jeeperaz@b...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 5:41pm
Subject: Re: Looking for clutch pedal from 80-83 CJ with 4cyl
They come apart very easily.... like 'one little hinge pin' easy.
--- In az_vjc@y..., Blake Shepherd <shepherdblake@y...> wrote:
> My old '80 used to have a 4 banger. The clutch and
> brake pedal are part the same assembly. I don't think
> they easily come apart.
> Blake
> 80CJ5
> 01 TJ
> --- jeeperaz@b... wrote:
> > I need the (hydraulic) clutch pedal from any 80-83
> > CJ that had the
> > 4cylinder engine.
> >
> > Does anyone have one of these laying around in their
> > misc. parts box?
> > I've tried the local salvage yards with no luck.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> >
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30401 From: <FLEXYXJ@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 2:55pm
Subject: Re: TJ tranny mount blues are gone
..... And scince you shortened your upper arms, you increased your POSITIVE
caster so it should "seem" to drive a little more stable...hope it dosent
pull but if it does then SHORTEN the upper on the side OPPOSITE of the
pull...then try it....!!!!!
FlexyXJ
30402 From: Daddy Longlegs <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 7:13pm
Subject: RE: TJ tranny mount blues are gone
Flexxy,
I only adjusted the angle for the rear CV. The front end was untouched.
Thanks for thinking of me though.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: FLEXYXJ@aol.com [mailto:FLEXYXJ@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:55 PM
To: scottkruize@earthlink.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] TJ tranny mount blues are gone
..... And scince you shortened your upper arms, you increased your POSITIVE
caster so it should "seem" to drive a little more stable...hope it dosent
pull but if it does then SHORTEN the upper on the side OPPOSITE of the
pull...then try it....!!!!!
FlexyXJ
30403 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 7:14pm
Subject: [TR] Coke Ovens - Monday, September 3, 2001 - Reminder
Hello All,
Scott Grigsby is leading a Coke Ovens trail run on Monday, September 3, 2001.
When: Monday. Labor Day
Where: meet at the Texaco at Florance Juct. At 7:30 AM
Rating: 2.5+
Length: better part of the day
CB Channel: 4
We go in the back way off battle axe road between Superior and Kearny. Lots of good Scenery to look at. We will come out in near Martinez Canyon.
The Coke Ovens Trail is an all day trip. It covers a lot of different countryside, traveling over and around the rolling hills and traverse some rocks and ledges in the road.
Years ago the Coke Ovens were built to support some of the smelters at the nearby mines. It's a fairly common misconception that they made coke, which is made from coal. However, they were built to make charcoal from the then more plentiful mesquite of the Gila Valley.
Over the years they have been closed to the public numerous times and several have been used as "housing" for the hermits of the hills. At one point (so the story goes) an owner attempted to convert them into a type of tourist resort - and started to make rooms out of them. You can still see the lofts he installed in some of them. This project was never finished.
At this time we are able to see and explore these amazing creations. They are located on the side of a hill along the Gila River and are quite spectacular.
Across the Gila is the old town site of Chochran. If the water is low, there is a river crossing to the west of Chochran that can be taken for an exit out to the Florence-Kelvin Highway
This trail is definitely a favorite for all levels of 4-wheelers. Stock vehicles shouldn't have any problems although clearance is highly recommended. There are several areas of "rock stair steps" that will be a challenge to the novice or stock driver.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
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Russell Gevarter Tentative
Clint Ramsey Tentative
Rob Brooks Tentative
Brian Ferrell Definite
Nick Marce Definite
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John Skelly Tentative
Blaine DePue Definite
Don Turner Tentative
Dave Moore Tentative
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30404 From: gandre01 <gandre01@m...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 7:35pm
Subject: Re: Cherokee Question
Yep...there were very slight changes made in the mid-seventies and of course
the drive trains were assembled from whatever parts were most plentiful in a
given year....but they are basically the same vehicle...in fact, I have a
"rhino-chaser" grill from a '63 on my Cherokee.
George Andrews
'83 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
'00 TJ
Avondale Arizona
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Herring" <erich@b...>
To: "'gandre01'" <gandre01@m...>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 7:17 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Cherokee Question
> I thought they were made on the same platform.
>
> Eric
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gandre01 [mailto:gandre01@m...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 7:50 PM
> To: erich@b...
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Cherokee Question
>
>
> You are correct, the Wagoneers first debuted in 1962 and the last Grand
> Wagoneer was a 1991 sold into 1992....but the question was about
Cherokees.
>
> George Andrews
> '83 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs,
> '00 TJ
> Avondale Arizona
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Herring" <herring@q...>
> To: "'azvjc'" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 7:28 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Cherokee Question
>
>
> > What about the Grand Wagoneer? They made those up until 92 or so.
> >
> > Eric Herring 92XJ
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gandre01 [mailto:gandre01@m...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 9:20 PM
> > To: azvjc
> > Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] Cherokee Question
> >
> >
> > Full Size Cherokees were built from '74 to '83 and came in essentially
two
> > models...narrow tracks and wide tracks. The wide tracks are easily
> > distinguished by the ~5" fender flares and were available in 2 doors
only.
> > The narrow track have small (~1") fender flares and came in either 2 or
4
> > doors.
> >
> > The Cherokee on the website pulling the Hummer suffered a catastrophic
> > accident last year. I have rebuilt another full size Cherokee and am
ready
> > to show her off. I'll have to show you mine on the trail someday.
> >
> > I have attached a picture of it with Len Sullivan's J10 P/U truck. I
have
> > since added several accessories including lights. I should have pictures
> > available this weekend to post.
> >
> > George Andrews
> > '83 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
> > '00 TJ
> > Avondale Arizona
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <g_rob_williams@y...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:53 AM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Cherokee Question
> >
> >
> > > I saw an old Cherokee that looked like an old Wagoneer, anyone know
> > > anything about these old Cherokees? I really like the way they look,
> > > does anyone out there have one? I'm not sure what year it was...
> > > guessing 70s?? Anyway lemme know if you have any info... thanks!! -Rob
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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30405 From: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 8:37pm
Subject: [TR] Coke Ovens - Monday, September 3, 2001 - Reminder
just a making sure. You are going in at the turnoff that is right at the top of the hill before the Ray Mine Pit is that correct.
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@azvjc.org>
To: AzVJC <az_vjc@YahooGroups.com>
Date: Friday, August 31, 2001 7:13 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] [TR] Coke Ovens - Monday, September 3, 2001 - Reminder
Hello All,
Scott Grigsby is leading a Coke Ovens trail run on Monday, September 3, 2001.
When: Monday. Labor Day
Where: meet at the Texaco at Florance Juct. At 7:30 AM
Rating: 2.5+
Length: better part of the day
CB Channel: 4
We go in the back way off battle axe road between Superior and Kearny. Lots of good Scenery to look at. We will come out in near Martinez Canyon.
The Coke Ovens Trail is an all day trip. It covers a lot of different countryside, traveling over and around the rolling hills and traverse some rocks and ledges in the road.
Years ago the Coke Ovens were built to support some of the smelters at the nearby mines. It's a fairly common misconception that they made coke, which is made from coal. However, they were built to make charcoal from the then more plentiful mesquite of the Gila Valley.
Over the years they have been closed to the public numerous times and several have been used as "housing" for the hermits of the hills. At one point (so the story goes) an owner attempted to convert them into a type of tourist resort - and started to make rooms out of them. You can still see the lofts he installed in some of them. This project was never finished.
At this time we are able to see and explore these amazing creations. They are located on the side of a hill along the Gila River and are quite spectacular.
Across the Gila is the old town site of Chochran. If the water is low, there is a river crossing to the west of Chochran that can be taken for an exit out to the Florence-Kelvin Highway
This trail is definitely a favorite for all levels of 4-wheelers. Stock vehicles shouldn't have any problems although clearance is highly recommended. There are several areas of "rock stair steps" that will be a challenge to the novice or stock driver.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Sign Up List:
Scott Grigsby Definite
Russell Gevarter Tentative
Clint Ramsey Tentative
Rob Brooks Tentative
Brian Ferrell Definite
Nick Marce Definite
steve sample Tentative
DJ Johnstone Tentative
John Skelly Tentative
Blaine DePue Definite
Don Turner Tentative
Dave Moore Tentative
Rick Hall Tentative
jake jacobsen Tentative
Jeff Cox Tentative
Jason La Montagne Tentative
Scott Liberty Tentative
Raj Mitra Tentative
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
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30406 From: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 8:53pm
Subject: OHV Park
>It's a lung disease from breathing all the silicate in the dust. We hear
>about it all the time in the mines. one major reason why they make
>construction sites and places like that run water trucks. With all the
>construction in the PHX area all the time it would get really dusty down
>there and after living in that the dust starts building up in your lungs.
>At least thats how I understood it. The water is more for the guys that
have
>to work in the dust and people that live around gravel pits and such. It's
>like the black lung disease in coal miners.
>
>Clint
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
>To: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
>Date: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:56 PM
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
>
>
>>Well, actually, no. I've lived here in the Phoenix area for over
>>40 years and I've never heard of it. What is it?
>>
>>-Roger
>>
>>Clint Ramsey wrote:
>>>
>>> ever hear of silicosis. Thats why
>>>
>>> Clint
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
>>> To: AZ_VJC <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Date: Thursday, August 30, 2001 1:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
>>>
>>> >Well, you all got me going now. Am I the only one who thinks it's
>>> >retarded to waste water to keep dust down? We live in a frickin'
>>> >desert. It's naturally dusty here - deal with it. It's also
>>> >naturally short on water. This makes no sense to me. And it really
>>> >infuriates me when they water down a construction zone to keep the
>>> >dust down. Not only do the waste that water, but the people whose
>>> >cars get muddy driving through the construction zone end up having
>>> >to wash their cars which wastes even more water.
>>> >
>>> >And what makes people think they can buy homes next to the desert's
>>> >edge and then get upset about dust?
>>> >
>>> >It also doesn't make any sense that the feds give our state money
>>> >to keep dust down. It seems to me they should be giving us money
>>> >to reduce all the other pollutants. Getting paid to keep the dust
>>> >down seems like just a token gesture. Bogus!
>>> >
>>> >-Roger
>>
>
30407 From: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 8:54pm
Subject: CJ6 FS
>I saw it too didn't stop either body looked straight
>-----Original Message-----
>From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
>To: AzVJC <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Date: Friday, August 31, 2001 2:55 PM
>Subject: [az_vjc] CJ6 FS
>
>
>>Saw a white CJ6 FS near Country Club and Broadway (on the east side), in
>>Mesa. Didn't get a chance to stop and check it out, but it looked in very
>>good shape.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>>
>
30408 From: <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 9:13pm
Subject: Re: OHV Park and dust, and fungus...
There's also a fungus that lives in the soil here in the desert
that causes respiratory diseases. The fungus involved is called
Coccidioides immitus and is usually inhaled by people who live, work,
or travel near areas of highly concentrated organism. That's the
major reason that dust ordinances are in place all across the
valley. The respiratory ailment primarily caused by Coccidioides is
called "Valley Fever" and resembles the flu. In the elderly, in
small children, and immunocompromised individuals it can even cause
death. Sure, watering down construction sites wastes precious water,
but the alternative could be deadly. People shouldn't live here, for
that matter- this is a VERY hostile environment that we have tamed
and shaped to our needs. Phoenix is a logistical miracle to even
exist. Breathe lightly, tolerate the watered down construction
zones, and remember that we need someplace to live so that we can be
close to year 'round 'wheelin'.
Lachlan
P.S. Anybody want to invest in my newest invention? It's a K&N
airfilter that fits in my mouth and comes with a nose plug so that I
only breathe filtered air...
> >It's a lung disease from breathing all the silicate in the dust.
We hear
> >about it all the time in the mines. one major reason why they make
> >construction sites and places like that run water trucks. With
all the
> >construction in the PHX area all the time it would get really
dusty down
> >there and after living in that the dust starts building up in your
lungs.
> >At least thats how I understood it. The water is more for the guys
that
> have
> >to work in the dust and people that live around gravel pits and
such. It's
> >like the black lung disease in coal miners.
> >
> >Clint
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
> >To: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
> >Date: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:56 PM
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> >
> >
> >>Well, actually, no. I've lived here in the Phoenix area for over
> >>40 years and I've never heard of it. What is it?
> >>
> >>-Roger
> >>
> >>Clint Ramsey wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ever hear of silicosis. Thats why
> >>>
> >>> Clint
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
> >>> To: AZ_VJC <az_vjc@y...>
> >>> Date: Thursday, August 30, 2001 1:20 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> >>>
> >>> >Well, you all got me going now. Am I the only one who thinks
it's
> >>> >retarded to waste water to keep dust down? We live in a
frickin'
> >>> >desert. It's naturally dusty here - deal with it. It's also
> >>> >naturally short on water. This makes no sense to me. And it
really
> >>> >infuriates me when they water down a construction zone to keep
the
> >>> >dust down. Not only do the waste that water, but the people
whose
> >>> >cars get muddy driving through the construction zone end up
having
> >>> >to wash their cars which wastes even more water.
> >>> >
> >>> >And what makes people think they can buy homes next to the
desert's
> >>> >edge and then get upset about dust?
> >>> >
> >>> >It also doesn't make any sense that the feds give our state
money
> >>> >to keep dust down. It seems to me they should be giving us
money
> >>> >to reduce all the other pollutants. Getting paid to keep the
dust
> >>> >down seems like just a token gesture. Bogus!
> >>> >
> >>> >-Roger
> >>
> >
30409 From: lynch <lynch@v...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 9:36pm
Subject: Re: Re: OHV Park and dust, and fungus...
Wasting water is relative. A friend of mine in Gilbert gets a million
gallons of water a year for $3/month, from the irrigation canals.
I imagine the flood/river runoff gets us a lot of water now. The issue
will be when Comrade Davis and the rest of California get hungry for
even more of the Colorado river.
Where I used to live in the SF Bay Area, we had water issues, and I
lived by the Delta where two large rivers combined with the pacific.
Why the problem?
The feds were diverting the flows of one river to save some worthless
fish and this was causing the ocean water to flow farther inland,
drastically increasing salinity and affecting water quality for ~1
million people. Go figure.
Dust concerns aside, I think the person who earlier brought up that
wherever we tried to get a park built, some never-before-seen 'life
form' would be found.
Maybe we should pitch in on an F350 longbed and put a snack shack in the
back, and take it on AzJC runs instead. ;)
-lynch
On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 04:13:49AM -0000, jeepindog@y... wrote:
> There's also a fungus that lives in the soil here in the desert
> that causes respiratory diseases. The fungus involved is called
> Coccidioides immitus and is usually inhaled by people who live, work,
> or travel near areas of highly concentrated organism. That's the
> major reason that dust ordinances are in place all across the
> valley. The respiratory ailment primarily caused by Coccidioides is
> called "Valley Fever" and resembles the flu. In the elderly, in
> small children, and immunocompromised individuals it can even cause
> death. Sure, watering down construction sites wastes precious water,
> but the alternative could be deadly. People shouldn't live here, for
> that matter- this is a VERY hostile environment that we have tamed
> and shaped to our needs. Phoenix is a logistical miracle to even
> exist. Breathe lightly, tolerate the watered down construction
> zones, and remember that we need someplace to live so that we can be
> close to year 'round 'wheelin'.
>
> Lachlan
>
> P.S. Anybody want to invest in my newest invention? It's a K&N
> airfilter that fits in my mouth and comes with a nose plug so that I
> only breathe filtered air...
>
>
> > >It's a lung disease from breathing all the silicate in the dust.
> We hear
> > >about it all the time in the mines. one major reason why they make
> > >construction sites and places like that run water trucks. With
> all the
> > >construction in the PHX area all the time it would get really
> dusty down
> > >there and after living in that the dust starts building up in your
> lungs.
> > >At least thats how I understood it. The water is more for the guys
> that
> > have
> > >to work in the dust and people that live around gravel pits and
> such. It's
> > >like the black lung disease in coal miners.
> > >
> > >Clint
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
> > >To: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
> > >Date: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:56 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> > >
> > >
> > >>Well, actually, no. I've lived here in the Phoenix area for over
> > >>40 years and I've never heard of it. What is it?
> > >>
> > >>-Roger
> > >>
> > >>Clint Ramsey wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> ever hear of silicosis. Thats why
> > >>>
> > >>> Clint
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
> > >>> To: AZ_VJC <az_vjc@y...>
> > >>> Date: Thursday, August 30, 2001 1:20 PM
> > >>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> > >>>
> > >>> >Well, you all got me going now. Am I the only one who thinks
> it's
> > >>> >retarded to waste water to keep dust down? We live in a
> frickin'
> > >>> >desert. It's naturally dusty here - deal with it. It's also
> > >>> >naturally short on water. This makes no sense to me. And it
> really
> > >>> >infuriates me when they water down a construction zone to keep
> the
> > >>> >dust down. Not only do the waste that water, but the people
> whose
> > >>> >cars get muddy driving through the construction zone end up
> having
> > >>> >to wash their cars which wastes even more water.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >And what makes people think they can buy homes next to the
> desert's
> > >>> >edge and then get upset about dust?
> > >>> >
> > >>> >It also doesn't make any sense that the feds give our state
> money
> > >>> >to keep dust down. It seems to me they should be giving us
> money
> > >>> >to reduce all the other pollutants. Getting paid to keep the
> dust
> > >>> >down seems like just a token gesture. Bogus!
> > >>> >
> > >>> >-Roger
> > >>
> > >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
30410 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 9:52pm
Subject: [FS] Lots of Jeep Parts
Price:
Contact: John at 480-917-5454 or e-mail Lerews@att.net
T-18 w/Novak adapter Dana 20 Tcase and bellhousing 1000.00
1990 Wrangler tub w/ rollbar 500.00
360 engine complete 500.00
Dana 44 w/4.88's open rear from cj5 300.00
Dana 30 w/3.73's drum cj front 200.00
Corporate 14 bolt full floater 175.00
1969 CJ5 complete body w/cage 300.00
Swamper thornbirds 33's w 5 on 5.5 10" rims 400.00
Dana 27 front w/4.88's 100.00
Soft top w doors early CJ5 tan w/frame 100.00
30411 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 9:53pm
Subject: [FS] Lots of Jeep Parts
Price:
Contact: John at 480-917-5454 or e-mail Lerews@att.net
T-18 w/Novak adapter Dana 20 Tcase and bellhousing 1000.00
1990 Wrangler tub w/ rollbar 500.00
360 engine complete 500.00
Dana 44 w/4.88's open rear from cj5 300.00
Dana 30 w/3.73's drum cj front 200.00
Corporate 14 bolt full floater 175.00
1969 CJ5 complete body w/cage 300.00
Swamper thornbirds 33's w 5 on 5.5 10" rims 400.00
Dana 27 front w/4.88's 100.00
Soft top w doors early CJ5 tan w/frame 100.00
30412 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 8:55pm
Subject: Modified my Turbo City sidebars to match body lift
After I installed the MORE 1" body lift on my TJ, I had a big ugly gap
between the body and the Turbo City sidebars. It just didn't look right.
Plus, this negated the clearance that I should have gained by installing the
body lift. Well, over the past couple days, I modified the sidebars to match
the body lift.
You can see how I did it here:
http://members.home.net/rv6a/SideBars.html
For those who missed the original link to my new website (it was buried in
one of the alcohol posts), here it is too:
http://members.home.net/rv6a/jeeptjsite.html
I've added a few more mod writeups since then too.
Chris K
30413 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 9:57pm
Subject: [FS] Wanted ;Exploer rear axle
Price:
Contact: John at 480-917-5454 or e-mail Lerews@att.net
Looking for 95 or newer explorer 8.8 rear end prefer 3.55 ratio but any will work
30414 From: Ralph Williams <ralphbw@q...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 10:01pm
Subject: Re: OHV Park
For informational purposes:
Water on a construction site where they are moving the dirt
around is needed to make it possible to compact the soil so that
it will support whatever loads are going to be placed upon the
site. It has nothing whatsoever to do with dust, although the
suppression of dust is a secondary effect.
So....when you see them thoroughly soaking an area, they are not
wasting water, they are using it to accomplish the task they are
paid to do...to make building sites, roads and other things that
everyone finds so useful.
Soil engineering is pretty interesting, without water, those
folks would just be pushing a bunch of loose particles around and
your houses and roads would be very cracked and unstable. Water
makes it possible to make the loose particles into something.
Have Fun!
Ralph
Clint Ramsey wrote:
>
> >It's a lung disease from breathing all the silicate in the dust. We hear
> >about it all the time in the mines. one major reason why they make
> >construction sites and places like that run water trucks. With all the
> >construction in the PHX area all the time it would get really dusty down
> >there and after living in that the dust starts building up in your lungs.
> >At least thats how I understood it. The water is more for the guys that
> have
> >to work in the dust and people that live around gravel pits and such. It's
> >like the black lung disease in coal miners.
> >
> >Clint
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
> >To: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
> >Date: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:56 PM
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> >
> >
> >>Well, actually, no. I've lived here in the Phoenix area for over
> >>40 years and I've never heard of it. What is it?
> >>
> >>-Roger
> >>
> >>Clint Ramsey wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ever hear of silicosis. Thats why
> >>>
> >>> Clint
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
> >>> To: AZ_VJC <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> >>> Date: Thursday, August 30, 2001 1:20 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> >>>
> >>> >Well, you all got me going now. Am I the only one who thinks it's
> >>> >retarded to waste water to keep dust down? We live in a frickin'
> >>> >desert. It's naturally dusty here - deal with it. It's also
> >>> >naturally short on water. This makes no sense to me. And it really
> >>> >infuriates me when they water down a construction zone to keep the
> >>> >dust down. Not only do the waste that water, but the people whose
> >>> >cars get muddy driving through the construction zone end up having
> >>> >to wash their cars which wastes even more water.
> >>> >
> >>> >And what makes people think they can buy homes next to the desert's
> >>> >edge and then get upset about dust?
> >>> >
> >>> >It also doesn't make any sense that the feds give our state money
> >>> >to keep dust down. It seems to me they should be giving us money
> >>> >to reduce all the other pollutants. Getting paid to keep the dust
> >>> >down seems like just a token gesture. Bogus!
> >>> >
> >>> >-Roger
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
30415 From: Daddy Longlegs <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 10:22pm
Subject: RE: OHV Park
Ralph,
Excellent point!
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph Williams [mailto:ralphbw@q...]
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 10:02 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
For informational purposes:
Water on a construction site where they are moving the dirt
around is needed to make it possible to compact the soil so that
it will support whatever loads are going to be placed upon the
site. It has nothing whatsoever to do with dust, although the
suppression of dust is a secondary effect.
So....when you see them thoroughly soaking an area, they are not
wasting water, they are using it to accomplish the task they are
paid to do...to make building sites, roads and other things that
everyone finds so useful.
Soil engineering is pretty interesting, without water, those
folks would just be pushing a bunch of loose particles around and
your houses and roads would be very cracked and unstable. Water
makes it possible to make the loose particles into something.
Have Fun!
Ralph
Clint Ramsey wrote:
>
> >It's a lung disease from breathing all the silicate in the dust. We hear
> >about it all the time in the mines. one major reason why they make
> >construction sites and places like that run water trucks. With all the
> >construction in the PHX area all the time it would get really dusty down
> >there and after living in that the dust starts building up in your lungs.
> >At least thats how I understood it. The water is more for the guys that
> have
> >to work in the dust and people that live around gravel pits and such.
It's
> >like the black lung disease in coal miners.
> >
> >Clint
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
> >To: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
> >Date: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:56 PM
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> >
> >
> >>Well, actually, no. I've lived here in the Phoenix area for over
> >>40 years and I've never heard of it. What is it?
> >>
> >>-Roger
> >>
> >>Clint Ramsey wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ever hear of silicosis. Thats why
> >>>
> >>> Clint
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
> >>> To: AZ_VJC <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> >>> Date: Thursday, August 30, 2001 1:20 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> >>>
> >>> >Well, you all got me going now. Am I the only one who thinks it's
> >>> >retarded to waste water to keep dust down? We live in a frickin'
> >>> >desert. It's naturally dusty here - deal with it. It's also
> >>> >naturally short on water. This makes no sense to me. And it really
> >>> >infuriates me when they water down a construction zone to keep the
> >>> >dust down. Not only do the waste that water, but the people whose
> >>> >cars get muddy driving through the construction zone end up having
> >>> >to wash their cars which wastes even more water.
> >>> >
> >>> >And what makes people think they can buy homes next to the desert's
> >>> >edge and then get upset about dust?
> >>> >
> >>> >It also doesn't make any sense that the feds give our state money
> >>> >to keep dust down. It seems to me they should be giving us money
> >>> >to reduce all the other pollutants. Getting paid to keep the dust
> >>> >down seems like just a token gesture. Bogus!
> >>> >
> >>> >-Roger
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
30416 From: Bill Witt <k7ant@t...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 10:25pm
Subject: Fw: Re: OHV Park and dust, and fungus...
> I had Valley Fever back in the 70's. I went from 196 lbs. to 168 lbs. in
35
> days! I couldn't work
> for over a year. it took the doc's about a week to figure out what I had.
I
> had a rough time of it for
> a long time and still have spots or scar tissue on my lungs. Some people
> have it and don't even know
> they have had it. If your immune system is very good it acts like the flu,
> but if you are already in bad
> shape like I was from heat exhaustion and working 15, 16 hour days in the
> summer, it hits very hard.
> But, it doesn't keep me from enjoying 4 wheeling in my JEEP TJ!
> Bill W
> Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and Four Wheeler's country.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jeepindog@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:13 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: OHV Park and dust, and fungus...
>
>
> > There's also a fungus that lives in the soil here in the desert
> > that causes respiratory diseases. The fungus involved is called
> > Coccidioides immitus and is usually inhaled by people who live, work,
> > or travel near areas of highly concentrated organism. That's the
> > major reason that dust ordinances are in place all across the
> > valley. The respiratory ailment primarily caused by Coccidioides is
> > called "Valley Fever" and resembles the flu. In the elderly, in
> > small children, and immunocompromised individuals it can even cause
> > death. Sure, watering down construction sites wastes precious water,
> > but the alternative could be deadly. People shouldn't live here, for
> > that matter- this is a VERY hostile environment that we have tamed
> > and shaped to our needs. Phoenix is a logistical miracle to even
> > exist. Breathe lightly, tolerate the watered down construction
> > zones, and remember that we need someplace to live so that we can be
> > close to year 'round 'wheelin'.
> >
> > Lachlan
> >
> > P.S. Anybody want to invest in my newest invention? It's a K&N
> > airfilter that fits in my mouth and comes with a nose plug so that I
> > only breathe filtered air...
> >
> >
> > > >It's a lung disease from breathing all the silicate in the dust.
> > We hear
> > > >about it all the time in the mines. one major reason why they make
> > > >construction sites and places like that run water trucks. With
> > all the
> > > >construction in the PHX area all the time it would get really
> > dusty down
> > > >there and after living in that the dust starts building up in your
> > lungs.
> > > >At least thats how I understood it. The water is more for the guys
> > that
> > > have
> > > >to work in the dust and people that live around gravel pits and
> > such. It's
> > > >like the black lung disease in coal miners.
> > > >
> > > >Clint
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
> > > >To: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
> > > >Date: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:56 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Well, actually, no. I've lived here in the Phoenix area for over
> > > >>40 years and I've never heard of it. What is it?
> > > >>
> > > >>-Roger
> > > >>
> > > >>Clint Ramsey wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ever hear of silicosis. Thats why
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Clint
> > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>> From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
> > > >>> To: AZ_VJC <az_vjc@y...>
> > > >>> Date: Thursday, August 30, 2001 1:20 PM
> > > >>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> > > >>>
> > > >>> >Well, you all got me going now. Am I the only one who thinks
> > it's
> > > >>> >retarded to waste water to keep dust down? We live in a
> > frickin'
> > > >>> >desert. It's naturally dusty here - deal with it. It's also
> > > >>> >naturally short on water. This makes no sense to me. And it
> > really
> > > >>> >infuriates me when they water down a construction zone to keep
> > the
> > > >>> >dust down. Not only do the waste that water, but the people
> > whose
> > > >>> >cars get muddy driving through the construction zone end up
> > having
> > > >>> >to wash their cars which wastes even more water.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >And what makes people think they can buy homes next to the
> > desert's
> > > >>> >edge and then get upset about dust?
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >It also doesn't make any sense that the feds give our state
> > money
> > > >>> >to keep dust down. It seems to me they should be giving us
> > money
> > > >>> >to reduce all the other pollutants. Getting paid to keep the
> > dust
> > > >>> >down seems like just a token gesture. Bogus!
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >-Roger
> > > >>
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
30392 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 2:50pm
Subject: [FS] HARDTOP FOR CJ7 (WILL FIT EARLY YJ W/O THIRD BRAKE LIGHT
Price: $250.00 OR OFFER...WILL TRADE FOR FULL DOORS FOR YJ, OR ??
Contact: 480-940-7263 OR E-MAIL JKRYN@QWEST.NET
HARD TOP FOR CJ7...DARK PRIMER GREY IN COLOR..TOP IN
GOOD SHAPE...LIFT GATE IN GOOD SHAPE WITH MINOR RUST (SOLID)
ALL WINDOW GLASS IN GOOD SHAPE...HARDWARE ALL THERE, NO KEY TO
LIFTGATE LOCK. READY TO PAINT WITH MINOR SANDING AND GLAZING PUTTY.
TOP HAS GLUE STRIPS IN THE INTERIOR WHERE SOMEONE HAD REMOVED
THE LINER..NEEDS A NEW LINER, GLUE STRIPS DO NOT WANT TO COME OUT...
ASKING $250.00 OR BEST OFFER...WILL CONSIDER TRADING THE
HARDTOP FOR ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
* DOORS FOR MY YJ
* LIFT KIT (NOT BODY LIFT) FOR THE YJ
* WHEELS AND TIRES IN GOOD SHAPE (5 X 4.5 FOR JEEP)
32" OR 33"
* UPPER DOOR SLIDERS...SPICE IN COLOR CANVAS
FIBERGLASS
Jerry Kryn
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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30393 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 2:55pm
Subject: CJ6 FS
Saw a white CJ6 FS near Country Club and Broadway (on the east side), in
Mesa. Didn't get a chance to stop and check it out, but it looked in very
good shape.
30394 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 2:58pm
Subject: MS: 101 to 60
I spotted Larry F heading off at 8:45AM. He had that Yellow Wrangler loaded
down.
ChrisK - You need to talk to him about those air bags.
--James
30395 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 3:03pm
Subject: Moab 9/15 - ??
Tim Naylor and I will be doing approx 5 to 6 days of Jeeping heaven in Moab.
Will go up Sat, the 15th (or there abouts), and wheel until we puke, then
head back probably later that week or 9/22 at the latest. We'll be staying
at the Red Rock. Trails we'll likely do will be Hell's Revenge, Pritchard
Canyon, Moab Rim, Golden Spike, Poison Spider, and what ever else we can
find.
Anyway, it's be great if we could get another couple of Jeeps to join us.
Anyone interested??
Doug
30396 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 3:15pm
Subject: You said count Sheep, I thought you said Jeep...
What happens when Jeepers count XJ's instead of sheep...
http://www.ilovejeeps.net/showthread.php?threadid=2834
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
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30397 From: Blake Shepherd <shepherdblake@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 3:43pm
Subject: Re: Looking for clutch pedal from 80-83 CJ with 4cyl
My old '80 used to have a 4 banger. The clutch and
brake pedal are part the same assembly. I don't think
they easily come apart.
Blake
80CJ5
01 TJ
--- jeeperaz@b... wrote:
> I need the (hydraulic) clutch pedal from any 80-83
> CJ that had the
> 4cylinder engine.
>
> Does anyone have one of these laying around in their
> misc. parts box?
> I've tried the local salvage yards with no luck.
>
>
> Regards,
> Larry
>
>
>
>
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>
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30398 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 4:23pm
Subject: [FS] Wanted 4.10 gears.
Price:
Contact: Dennis Thomadsckthomas@uswest.net
I am looking for a set of 4.10 gears for my 85 CJ7. It has a model 30 front and a Model 20 rear { I think}.
I might be interested in lockers for both.
Dennis Thomas
30399 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 4:33pm
Subject: [FS] Wanted: 4.10 gears
Price: Whatever they are worth.
Contact: Dennis Thomas, dsckthomas@uswest.net
I am looking for a set of 4.10 gears for my
'85 CJ7. It has a model 30 front end and a
model 20 {I think} rear end. Also, I might
be interested in lockers for both.
Dennis Thomas
30400 From: <jeeperaz@b...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 5:41pm
Subject: Re: Looking for clutch pedal from 80-83 CJ with 4cyl
They come apart very easily.... like 'one little hinge pin' easy.
--- In az_vjc@y..., Blake Shepherd <shepherdblake@y...> wrote:
> My old '80 used to have a 4 banger. The clutch and
> brake pedal are part the same assembly. I don't think
> they easily come apart.
> Blake
> 80CJ5
> 01 TJ
> --- jeeperaz@b... wrote:
> > I need the (hydraulic) clutch pedal from any 80-83
> > CJ that had the
> > 4cylinder engine.
> >
> > Does anyone have one of these laying around in their
> > misc. parts box?
> > I've tried the local salvage yards with no luck.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
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30401 From: <FLEXYXJ@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 2:55pm
Subject: Re: TJ tranny mount blues are gone
..... And scince you shortened your upper arms, you increased your POSITIVE
caster so it should "seem" to drive a little more stable...hope it dosent
pull but if it does then SHORTEN the upper on the side OPPOSITE of the
pull...then try it....!!!!!
FlexyXJ
30402 From: Daddy Longlegs <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 7:13pm
Subject: RE: TJ tranny mount blues are gone
Flexxy,
I only adjusted the angle for the rear CV. The front end was untouched.
Thanks for thinking of me though.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: FLEXYXJ@aol.com [mailto:FLEXYXJ@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:55 PM
To: scottkruize@earthlink.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] TJ tranny mount blues are gone
..... And scince you shortened your upper arms, you increased your POSITIVE
caster so it should "seem" to drive a little more stable...hope it dosent
pull but if it does then SHORTEN the upper on the side OPPOSITE of the
pull...then try it....!!!!!
FlexyXJ
30403 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 7:14pm
Subject: [TR] Coke Ovens - Monday, September 3, 2001 - Reminder
Hello All,
Scott Grigsby is leading a Coke Ovens trail run on Monday, September 3, 2001.
When: Monday. Labor Day
Where: meet at the Texaco at Florance Juct. At 7:30 AM
Rating: 2.5+
Length: better part of the day
CB Channel: 4
We go in the back way off battle axe road between Superior and Kearny. Lots of good Scenery to look at. We will come out in near Martinez Canyon.
The Coke Ovens Trail is an all day trip. It covers a lot of different countryside, traveling over and around the rolling hills and traverse some rocks and ledges in the road.
Years ago the Coke Ovens were built to support some of the smelters at the nearby mines. It's a fairly common misconception that they made coke, which is made from coal. However, they were built to make charcoal from the then more plentiful mesquite of the Gila Valley.
Over the years they have been closed to the public numerous times and several have been used as "housing" for the hermits of the hills. At one point (so the story goes) an owner attempted to convert them into a type of tourist resort - and started to make rooms out of them. You can still see the lofts he installed in some of them. This project was never finished.
At this time we are able to see and explore these amazing creations. They are located on the side of a hill along the Gila River and are quite spectacular.
Across the Gila is the old town site of Chochran. If the water is low, there is a river crossing to the west of Chochran that can be taken for an exit out to the Florence-Kelvin Highway
This trail is definitely a favorite for all levels of 4-wheelers. Stock vehicles shouldn't have any problems although clearance is highly recommended. There are several areas of "rock stair steps" that will be a challenge to the novice or stock driver.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
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Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
30404 From: gandre01 <gandre01@m...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 7:35pm
Subject: Re: Cherokee Question
Yep...there were very slight changes made in the mid-seventies and of course
the drive trains were assembled from whatever parts were most plentiful in a
given year....but they are basically the same vehicle...in fact, I have a
"rhino-chaser" grill from a '63 on my Cherokee.
George Andrews
'83 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
'00 TJ
Avondale Arizona
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Herring" <erich@b...>
To: "'gandre01'" <gandre01@m...>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 7:17 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Cherokee Question
> I thought they were made on the same platform.
>
> Eric
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gandre01 [mailto:gandre01@m...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 7:50 PM
> To: erich@b...
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Cherokee Question
>
>
> You are correct, the Wagoneers first debuted in 1962 and the last Grand
> Wagoneer was a 1991 sold into 1992....but the question was about
Cherokees.
>
> George Andrews
> '83 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs,
> '00 TJ
> Avondale Arizona
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Herring" <herring@q...>
> To: "'azvjc'" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 7:28 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Cherokee Question
>
>
> > What about the Grand Wagoneer? They made those up until 92 or so.
> >
> > Eric Herring 92XJ
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gandre01 [mailto:gandre01@m...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 9:20 PM
> > To: azvjc
> > Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] Cherokee Question
> >
> >
> > Full Size Cherokees were built from '74 to '83 and came in essentially
two
> > models...narrow tracks and wide tracks. The wide tracks are easily
> > distinguished by the ~5" fender flares and were available in 2 doors
only.
> > The narrow track have small (~1") fender flares and came in either 2 or
4
> > doors.
> >
> > The Cherokee on the website pulling the Hummer suffered a catastrophic
> > accident last year. I have rebuilt another full size Cherokee and am
ready
> > to show her off. I'll have to show you mine on the trail someday.
> >
> > I have attached a picture of it with Len Sullivan's J10 P/U truck. I
have
> > since added several accessories including lights. I should have pictures
> > available this weekend to post.
> >
> > George Andrews
> > '83 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
> > '00 TJ
> > Avondale Arizona
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <g_rob_williams@y...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:53 AM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Cherokee Question
> >
> >
> > > I saw an old Cherokee that looked like an old Wagoneer, anyone know
> > > anything about these old Cherokees? I really like the way they look,
> > > does anyone out there have one? I'm not sure what year it was...
> > > guessing 70s?? Anyway lemme know if you have any info... thanks!! -Rob
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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30405 From: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 8:37pm
Subject: [TR] Coke Ovens - Monday, September 3, 2001 - Reminder
just a making sure. You are going in at the turnoff that is right at the top of the hill before the Ray Mine Pit is that correct.
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@azvjc.org>
To: AzVJC <az_vjc@YahooGroups.com>
Date: Friday, August 31, 2001 7:13 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] [TR] Coke Ovens - Monday, September 3, 2001 - Reminder
Hello All,
Scott Grigsby is leading a Coke Ovens trail run on Monday, September 3, 2001.
When: Monday. Labor Day
Where: meet at the Texaco at Florance Juct. At 7:30 AM
Rating: 2.5+
Length: better part of the day
CB Channel: 4
We go in the back way off battle axe road between Superior and Kearny. Lots of good Scenery to look at. We will come out in near Martinez Canyon.
The Coke Ovens Trail is an all day trip. It covers a lot of different countryside, traveling over and around the rolling hills and traverse some rocks and ledges in the road.
Years ago the Coke Ovens were built to support some of the smelters at the nearby mines. It's a fairly common misconception that they made coke, which is made from coal. However, they were built to make charcoal from the then more plentiful mesquite of the Gila Valley.
Over the years they have been closed to the public numerous times and several have been used as "housing" for the hermits of the hills. At one point (so the story goes) an owner attempted to convert them into a type of tourist resort - and started to make rooms out of them. You can still see the lofts he installed in some of them. This project was never finished.
At this time we are able to see and explore these amazing creations. They are located on the side of a hill along the Gila River and are quite spectacular.
Across the Gila is the old town site of Chochran. If the water is low, there is a river crossing to the west of Chochran that can be taken for an exit out to the Florence-Kelvin Highway
This trail is definitely a favorite for all levels of 4-wheelers. Stock vehicles shouldn't have any problems although clearance is highly recommended. There are several areas of "rock stair steps" that will be a challenge to the novice or stock driver.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
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30406 From: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 8:53pm
Subject: OHV Park
>It's a lung disease from breathing all the silicate in the dust. We hear
>about it all the time in the mines. one major reason why they make
>construction sites and places like that run water trucks. With all the
>construction in the PHX area all the time it would get really dusty down
>there and after living in that the dust starts building up in your lungs.
>At least thats how I understood it. The water is more for the guys that
have
>to work in the dust and people that live around gravel pits and such. It's
>like the black lung disease in coal miners.
>
>Clint
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
>To: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
>Date: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:56 PM
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
>
>
>>Well, actually, no. I've lived here in the Phoenix area for over
>>40 years and I've never heard of it. What is it?
>>
>>-Roger
>>
>>Clint Ramsey wrote:
>>>
>>> ever hear of silicosis. Thats why
>>>
>>> Clint
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
>>> To: AZ_VJC <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Date: Thursday, August 30, 2001 1:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
>>>
>>> >Well, you all got me going now. Am I the only one who thinks it's
>>> >retarded to waste water to keep dust down? We live in a frickin'
>>> >desert. It's naturally dusty here - deal with it. It's also
>>> >naturally short on water. This makes no sense to me. And it really
>>> >infuriates me when they water down a construction zone to keep the
>>> >dust down. Not only do the waste that water, but the people whose
>>> >cars get muddy driving through the construction zone end up having
>>> >to wash their cars which wastes even more water.
>>> >
>>> >And what makes people think they can buy homes next to the desert's
>>> >edge and then get upset about dust?
>>> >
>>> >It also doesn't make any sense that the feds give our state money
>>> >to keep dust down. It seems to me they should be giving us money
>>> >to reduce all the other pollutants. Getting paid to keep the dust
>>> >down seems like just a token gesture. Bogus!
>>> >
>>> >-Roger
>>
>
30407 From: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 8:54pm
Subject: CJ6 FS
>I saw it too didn't stop either body looked straight
>-----Original Message-----
>From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
>To: AzVJC <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Date: Friday, August 31, 2001 2:55 PM
>Subject: [az_vjc] CJ6 FS
>
>
>>Saw a white CJ6 FS near Country Club and Broadway (on the east side), in
>>Mesa. Didn't get a chance to stop and check it out, but it looked in very
>>good shape.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>>
>
30408 From: <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 9:13pm
Subject: Re: OHV Park and dust, and fungus...
There's also a fungus that lives in the soil here in the desert
that causes respiratory diseases. The fungus involved is called
Coccidioides immitus and is usually inhaled by people who live, work,
or travel near areas of highly concentrated organism. That's the
major reason that dust ordinances are in place all across the
valley. The respiratory ailment primarily caused by Coccidioides is
called "Valley Fever" and resembles the flu. In the elderly, in
small children, and immunocompromised individuals it can even cause
death. Sure, watering down construction sites wastes precious water,
but the alternative could be deadly. People shouldn't live here, for
that matter- this is a VERY hostile environment that we have tamed
and shaped to our needs. Phoenix is a logistical miracle to even
exist. Breathe lightly, tolerate the watered down construction
zones, and remember that we need someplace to live so that we can be
close to year 'round 'wheelin'.
Lachlan
P.S. Anybody want to invest in my newest invention? It's a K&N
airfilter that fits in my mouth and comes with a nose plug so that I
only breathe filtered air...
> >It's a lung disease from breathing all the silicate in the dust.
We hear
> >about it all the time in the mines. one major reason why they make
> >construction sites and places like that run water trucks. With
all the
> >construction in the PHX area all the time it would get really
dusty down
> >there and after living in that the dust starts building up in your
lungs.
> >At least thats how I understood it. The water is more for the guys
that
> have
> >to work in the dust and people that live around gravel pits and
such. It's
> >like the black lung disease in coal miners.
> >
> >Clint
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
> >To: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
> >Date: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:56 PM
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> >
> >
> >>Well, actually, no. I've lived here in the Phoenix area for over
> >>40 years and I've never heard of it. What is it?
> >>
> >>-Roger
> >>
> >>Clint Ramsey wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ever hear of silicosis. Thats why
> >>>
> >>> Clint
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
> >>> To: AZ_VJC <az_vjc@y...>
> >>> Date: Thursday, August 30, 2001 1:20 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> >>>
> >>> >Well, you all got me going now. Am I the only one who thinks
it's
> >>> >retarded to waste water to keep dust down? We live in a
frickin'
> >>> >desert. It's naturally dusty here - deal with it. It's also
> >>> >naturally short on water. This makes no sense to me. And it
really
> >>> >infuriates me when they water down a construction zone to keep
the
> >>> >dust down. Not only do the waste that water, but the people
whose
> >>> >cars get muddy driving through the construction zone end up
having
> >>> >to wash their cars which wastes even more water.
> >>> >
> >>> >And what makes people think they can buy homes next to the
desert's
> >>> >edge and then get upset about dust?
> >>> >
> >>> >It also doesn't make any sense that the feds give our state
money
> >>> >to keep dust down. It seems to me they should be giving us
money
> >>> >to reduce all the other pollutants. Getting paid to keep the
dust
> >>> >down seems like just a token gesture. Bogus!
> >>> >
> >>> >-Roger
> >>
> >
30409 From: lynch <lynch@v...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 9:36pm
Subject: Re: Re: OHV Park and dust, and fungus...
Wasting water is relative. A friend of mine in Gilbert gets a million
gallons of water a year for $3/month, from the irrigation canals.
I imagine the flood/river runoff gets us a lot of water now. The issue
will be when Comrade Davis and the rest of California get hungry for
even more of the Colorado river.
Where I used to live in the SF Bay Area, we had water issues, and I
lived by the Delta where two large rivers combined with the pacific.
Why the problem?
The feds were diverting the flows of one river to save some worthless
fish and this was causing the ocean water to flow farther inland,
drastically increasing salinity and affecting water quality for ~1
million people. Go figure.
Dust concerns aside, I think the person who earlier brought up that
wherever we tried to get a park built, some never-before-seen 'life
form' would be found.
Maybe we should pitch in on an F350 longbed and put a snack shack in the
back, and take it on AzJC runs instead. ;)
-lynch
On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 04:13:49AM -0000, jeepindog@y... wrote:
> There's also a fungus that lives in the soil here in the desert
> that causes respiratory diseases. The fungus involved is called
> Coccidioides immitus and is usually inhaled by people who live, work,
> or travel near areas of highly concentrated organism. That's the
> major reason that dust ordinances are in place all across the
> valley. The respiratory ailment primarily caused by Coccidioides is
> called "Valley Fever" and resembles the flu. In the elderly, in
> small children, and immunocompromised individuals it can even cause
> death. Sure, watering down construction sites wastes precious water,
> but the alternative could be deadly. People shouldn't live here, for
> that matter- this is a VERY hostile environment that we have tamed
> and shaped to our needs. Phoenix is a logistical miracle to even
> exist. Breathe lightly, tolerate the watered down construction
> zones, and remember that we need someplace to live so that we can be
> close to year 'round 'wheelin'.
>
> Lachlan
>
> P.S. Anybody want to invest in my newest invention? It's a K&N
> airfilter that fits in my mouth and comes with a nose plug so that I
> only breathe filtered air...
>
>
> > >It's a lung disease from breathing all the silicate in the dust.
> We hear
> > >about it all the time in the mines. one major reason why they make
> > >construction sites and places like that run water trucks. With
> all the
> > >construction in the PHX area all the time it would get really
> dusty down
> > >there and after living in that the dust starts building up in your
> lungs.
> > >At least thats how I understood it. The water is more for the guys
> that
> > have
> > >to work in the dust and people that live around gravel pits and
> such. It's
> > >like the black lung disease in coal miners.
> > >
> > >Clint
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
> > >To: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
> > >Date: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:56 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> > >
> > >
> > >>Well, actually, no. I've lived here in the Phoenix area for over
> > >>40 years and I've never heard of it. What is it?
> > >>
> > >>-Roger
> > >>
> > >>Clint Ramsey wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> ever hear of silicosis. Thats why
> > >>>
> > >>> Clint
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
> > >>> To: AZ_VJC <az_vjc@y...>
> > >>> Date: Thursday, August 30, 2001 1:20 PM
> > >>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> > >>>
> > >>> >Well, you all got me going now. Am I the only one who thinks
> it's
> > >>> >retarded to waste water to keep dust down? We live in a
> frickin'
> > >>> >desert. It's naturally dusty here - deal with it. It's also
> > >>> >naturally short on water. This makes no sense to me. And it
> really
> > >>> >infuriates me when they water down a construction zone to keep
> the
> > >>> >dust down. Not only do the waste that water, but the people
> whose
> > >>> >cars get muddy driving through the construction zone end up
> having
> > >>> >to wash their cars which wastes even more water.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >And what makes people think they can buy homes next to the
> desert's
> > >>> >edge and then get upset about dust?
> > >>> >
> > >>> >It also doesn't make any sense that the feds give our state
> money
> > >>> >to keep dust down. It seems to me they should be giving us
> money
> > >>> >to reduce all the other pollutants. Getting paid to keep the
> dust
> > >>> >down seems like just a token gesture. Bogus!
> > >>> >
> > >>> >-Roger
> > >>
> > >
>
>
>
>
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>
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30410 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 9:52pm
Subject: [FS] Lots of Jeep Parts
Price:
Contact: John at 480-917-5454 or e-mail Lerews@att.net
T-18 w/Novak adapter Dana 20 Tcase and bellhousing 1000.00
1990 Wrangler tub w/ rollbar 500.00
360 engine complete 500.00
Dana 44 w/4.88's open rear from cj5 300.00
Dana 30 w/3.73's drum cj front 200.00
Corporate 14 bolt full floater 175.00
1969 CJ5 complete body w/cage 300.00
Swamper thornbirds 33's w 5 on 5.5 10" rims 400.00
Dana 27 front w/4.88's 100.00
Soft top w doors early CJ5 tan w/frame 100.00
30411 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 9:53pm
Subject: [FS] Lots of Jeep Parts
Price:
Contact: John at 480-917-5454 or e-mail Lerews@att.net
T-18 w/Novak adapter Dana 20 Tcase and bellhousing 1000.00
1990 Wrangler tub w/ rollbar 500.00
360 engine complete 500.00
Dana 44 w/4.88's open rear from cj5 300.00
Dana 30 w/3.73's drum cj front 200.00
Corporate 14 bolt full floater 175.00
1969 CJ5 complete body w/cage 300.00
Swamper thornbirds 33's w 5 on 5.5 10" rims 400.00
Dana 27 front w/4.88's 100.00
Soft top w doors early CJ5 tan w/frame 100.00
30412 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 8:55pm
Subject: Modified my Turbo City sidebars to match body lift
After I installed the MORE 1" body lift on my TJ, I had a big ugly gap
between the body and the Turbo City sidebars. It just didn't look right.
Plus, this negated the clearance that I should have gained by installing the
body lift. Well, over the past couple days, I modified the sidebars to match
the body lift.
You can see how I did it here:
http://members.home.net/rv6a/SideBars.html
For those who missed the original link to my new website (it was buried in
one of the alcohol posts), here it is too:
http://members.home.net/rv6a/jeeptjsite.html
I've added a few more mod writeups since then too.
Chris K
30413 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 9:57pm
Subject: [FS] Wanted ;Exploer rear axle
Price:
Contact: John at 480-917-5454 or e-mail Lerews@att.net
Looking for 95 or newer explorer 8.8 rear end prefer 3.55 ratio but any will work
30414 From: Ralph Williams <ralphbw@q...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 10:01pm
Subject: Re: OHV Park
For informational purposes:
Water on a construction site where they are moving the dirt
around is needed to make it possible to compact the soil so that
it will support whatever loads are going to be placed upon the
site. It has nothing whatsoever to do with dust, although the
suppression of dust is a secondary effect.
So....when you see them thoroughly soaking an area, they are not
wasting water, they are using it to accomplish the task they are
paid to do...to make building sites, roads and other things that
everyone finds so useful.
Soil engineering is pretty interesting, without water, those
folks would just be pushing a bunch of loose particles around and
your houses and roads would be very cracked and unstable. Water
makes it possible to make the loose particles into something.
Have Fun!
Ralph
Clint Ramsey wrote:
>
> >It's a lung disease from breathing all the silicate in the dust. We hear
> >about it all the time in the mines. one major reason why they make
> >construction sites and places like that run water trucks. With all the
> >construction in the PHX area all the time it would get really dusty down
> >there and after living in that the dust starts building up in your lungs.
> >At least thats how I understood it. The water is more for the guys that
> have
> >to work in the dust and people that live around gravel pits and such. It's
> >like the black lung disease in coal miners.
> >
> >Clint
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
> >To: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
> >Date: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:56 PM
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> >
> >
> >>Well, actually, no. I've lived here in the Phoenix area for over
> >>40 years and I've never heard of it. What is it?
> >>
> >>-Roger
> >>
> >>Clint Ramsey wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ever hear of silicosis. Thats why
> >>>
> >>> Clint
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
> >>> To: AZ_VJC <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> >>> Date: Thursday, August 30, 2001 1:20 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> >>>
> >>> >Well, you all got me going now. Am I the only one who thinks it's
> >>> >retarded to waste water to keep dust down? We live in a frickin'
> >>> >desert. It's naturally dusty here - deal with it. It's also
> >>> >naturally short on water. This makes no sense to me. And it really
> >>> >infuriates me when they water down a construction zone to keep the
> >>> >dust down. Not only do the waste that water, but the people whose
> >>> >cars get muddy driving through the construction zone end up having
> >>> >to wash their cars which wastes even more water.
> >>> >
> >>> >And what makes people think they can buy homes next to the desert's
> >>> >edge and then get upset about dust?
> >>> >
> >>> >It also doesn't make any sense that the feds give our state money
> >>> >to keep dust down. It seems to me they should be giving us money
> >>> >to reduce all the other pollutants. Getting paid to keep the dust
> >>> >down seems like just a token gesture. Bogus!
> >>> >
> >>> >-Roger
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
30415 From: Daddy Longlegs <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 10:22pm
Subject: RE: OHV Park
Ralph,
Excellent point!
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph Williams [mailto:ralphbw@q...]
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 10:02 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
For informational purposes:
Water on a construction site where they are moving the dirt
around is needed to make it possible to compact the soil so that
it will support whatever loads are going to be placed upon the
site. It has nothing whatsoever to do with dust, although the
suppression of dust is a secondary effect.
So....when you see them thoroughly soaking an area, they are not
wasting water, they are using it to accomplish the task they are
paid to do...to make building sites, roads and other things that
everyone finds so useful.
Soil engineering is pretty interesting, without water, those
folks would just be pushing a bunch of loose particles around and
your houses and roads would be very cracked and unstable. Water
makes it possible to make the loose particles into something.
Have Fun!
Ralph
Clint Ramsey wrote:
>
> >It's a lung disease from breathing all the silicate in the dust. We hear
> >about it all the time in the mines. one major reason why they make
> >construction sites and places like that run water trucks. With all the
> >construction in the PHX area all the time it would get really dusty down
> >there and after living in that the dust starts building up in your lungs.
> >At least thats how I understood it. The water is more for the guys that
> have
> >to work in the dust and people that live around gravel pits and such.
It's
> >like the black lung disease in coal miners.
> >
> >Clint
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
> >To: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
> >Date: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:56 PM
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> >
> >
> >>Well, actually, no. I've lived here in the Phoenix area for over
> >>40 years and I've never heard of it. What is it?
> >>
> >>-Roger
> >>
> >>Clint Ramsey wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ever hear of silicosis. Thats why
> >>>
> >>> Clint
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
> >>> To: AZ_VJC <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> >>> Date: Thursday, August 30, 2001 1:20 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> >>>
> >>> >Well, you all got me going now. Am I the only one who thinks it's
> >>> >retarded to waste water to keep dust down? We live in a frickin'
> >>> >desert. It's naturally dusty here - deal with it. It's also
> >>> >naturally short on water. This makes no sense to me. And it really
> >>> >infuriates me when they water down a construction zone to keep the
> >>> >dust down. Not only do the waste that water, but the people whose
> >>> >cars get muddy driving through the construction zone end up having
> >>> >to wash their cars which wastes even more water.
> >>> >
> >>> >And what makes people think they can buy homes next to the desert's
> >>> >edge and then get upset about dust?
> >>> >
> >>> >It also doesn't make any sense that the feds give our state money
> >>> >to keep dust down. It seems to me they should be giving us money
> >>> >to reduce all the other pollutants. Getting paid to keep the dust
> >>> >down seems like just a token gesture. Bogus!
> >>> >
> >>> >-Roger
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
30416 From: Bill Witt <k7ant@t...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 10:25pm
Subject: Fw: Re: OHV Park and dust, and fungus...
> I had Valley Fever back in the 70's. I went from 196 lbs. to 168 lbs. in
35
> days! I couldn't work
> for over a year. it took the doc's about a week to figure out what I had.
I
> had a rough time of it for
> a long time and still have spots or scar tissue on my lungs. Some people
> have it and don't even know
> they have had it. If your immune system is very good it acts like the flu,
> but if you are already in bad
> shape like I was from heat exhaustion and working 15, 16 hour days in the
> summer, it hits very hard.
> But, it doesn't keep me from enjoying 4 wheeling in my JEEP TJ!
> Bill W
> Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and Four Wheeler's country.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jeepindog@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:13 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: OHV Park and dust, and fungus...
>
>
> > There's also a fungus that lives in the soil here in the desert
> > that causes respiratory diseases. The fungus involved is called
> > Coccidioides immitus and is usually inhaled by people who live, work,
> > or travel near areas of highly concentrated organism. That's the
> > major reason that dust ordinances are in place all across the
> > valley. The respiratory ailment primarily caused by Coccidioides is
> > called "Valley Fever" and resembles the flu. In the elderly, in
> > small children, and immunocompromised individuals it can even cause
> > death. Sure, watering down construction sites wastes precious water,
> > but the alternative could be deadly. People shouldn't live here, for
> > that matter- this is a VERY hostile environment that we have tamed
> > and shaped to our needs. Phoenix is a logistical miracle to even
> > exist. Breathe lightly, tolerate the watered down construction
> > zones, and remember that we need someplace to live so that we can be
> > close to year 'round 'wheelin'.
> >
> > Lachlan
> >
> > P.S. Anybody want to invest in my newest invention? It's a K&N
> > airfilter that fits in my mouth and comes with a nose plug so that I
> > only breathe filtered air...
> >
> >
> > > >It's a lung disease from breathing all the silicate in the dust.
> > We hear
> > > >about it all the time in the mines. one major reason why they make
> > > >construction sites and places like that run water trucks. With
> > all the
> > > >construction in the PHX area all the time it would get really
> > dusty down
> > > >there and after living in that the dust starts building up in your
> > lungs.
> > > >At least thats how I understood it. The water is more for the guys
> > that
> > > have
> > > >to work in the dust and people that live around gravel pits and
> > such. It's
> > > >like the black lung disease in coal miners.
> > > >
> > > >Clint
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
> > > >To: Clint Ramsey <cwramsey@t...>
> > > >Date: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:56 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Well, actually, no. I've lived here in the Phoenix area for over
> > > >>40 years and I've never heard of it. What is it?
> > > >>
> > > >>-Roger
> > > >>
> > > >>Clint Ramsey wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ever hear of silicosis. Thats why
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Clint
> > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>> From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
> > > >>> To: AZ_VJC <az_vjc@y...>
> > > >>> Date: Thursday, August 30, 2001 1:20 PM
> > > >>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> > > >>>
> > > >>> >Well, you all got me going now. Am I the only one who thinks
> > it's
> > > >>> >retarded to waste water to keep dust down? We live in a
> > frickin'
> > > >>> >desert. It's naturally dusty here - deal with it. It's also
> > > >>> >naturally short on water. This makes no sense to me. And it
> > really
> > > >>> >infuriates me when they water down a construction zone to keep
> > the
> > > >>> >dust down. Not only do the waste that water, but the people
> > whose
> > > >>> >cars get muddy driving through the construction zone end up
> > having
> > > >>> >to wash their cars which wastes even more water.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >And what makes people think they can buy homes next to the
> > desert's
> > > >>> >edge and then get upset about dust?
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >It also doesn't make any sense that the feds give our state
> > money
> > > >>> >to keep dust down. It seems to me they should be giving us
> > money
> > > >>> >to reduce all the other pollutants. Getting paid to keep the
> > dust
> > > >>> >down seems like just a token gesture. Bogus!
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >-Roger
> > > >>
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
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