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30367 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 8:56am
Subject: [LU] Kartchner Caverns in DANGER - Please HELP!
For those of you who have been to Kartchner Caverns south of Benson, skip to the next paragraph.
If not, please believe me (and people who may have told you about the caverns) that Kartchner is a rare pristine “LIVE” cavern. A cavern unlike most you will ever have an opportunity to visit. I’ve traveled all over the world and have enjoyed visiting caverns everywhere. Kartchner takes a back seat to nobody. The formations are incredible. The environmental protection and ergonomic design in order to open Kartchner to us, the public, was planned and executed with surgical grace. DO NOT MISS THIS WONDER!
Kartchner is being threatened by the potential development of a resort. A “what”, you say? That’s right, a r-e-s-o-r-t that hopes to build on land adjacent to Kartchner. The ecological balance of cave and cavern formations is an unbelievable fine balance of soils and water. Anything unnatural can destroy that balance and turn this “LIVE” cavern into a “DEAD” one-dimensional postcard future generations will miss.
Included are links to better educate you.
State Park site
ABC News article
Arizona Republic 8/24
Arizona Republic 8/30
The article on the 30th explains what you can do. WAIT- STOP! Don’t leave your thoughts to someone else’s voice.
This requires a flood of opinions to get to the correct people right now. Wednesday the 6th of September, bureaucrats and money hungry developers will decide the fate of this ‘pristine palace.’ Please take a moment to read the articles and let your voices be heard.
Thank you for your interest and concern!
Ted Stratton
602-418-4965
Ted Stratton
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30368 From: JEEP THANG <jeep_thang@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 9:04am
Subject: Drive Shaft
Probably a dumb question but here goes.
Does anybody have a driveshaft from an 80's CJ7 that they do not want,
Or stock YJ Springs? If so let me know.
Sincerely:JEEP THANG
30369 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 8:57am
Subject: [LU] Kartchner Caverns in DANGER - Please HELP!
For those of you who have been to Kartchner Caverns south of Benson, skip to the next paragraph.
If not, please believe me (and people who may have told you about the caverns) that Kartchner is a rare pristine “LIVE” cavern. A cavern unlike most you will ever have an opportunity to visit. I’ve traveled all over the world and have enjoyed visiting caverns everywhere. Kartchner takes a back seat to nobody. The formations are incredible. The environmental protection and ergonomic design in order to open Kartchner to us, the public, was planned and executed with surgical grace. DO NOT MISS THIS WONDER!
Kartchner is being threatened by the potential development of a resort. A “what”, you say? That’s right, a r-e-s-o-r-t that hopes to build on land adjacent to Kartchner. The ecological balance of cave and cavern formations is an unbelievable fine balance of soils and water. Anything unnatural can destroy that balance and turn this “LIVE” cavern into a “DEAD” one-dimensional postcard future generations will miss.
Included are links to better educate you.
State Park site
ABC News article
Arizona Republic 8/24
Arizona Republic 8/30
The article on the 30th explains what you can do. WAIT- STOP! Don’t leave your thoughts to someone else’s voice.
This requires a flood of opinions to get to the correct people right now. Wednesday the 6th of September, bureaucrats and money hungry developers will decide the fate of this ‘pristine palace.’ Please take a moment to read the articles and let your voices be heard.
Thank you for your interest and concern!
Ted Stratton
602-418-4965
Ted Stratton
30370 From: <snowyleilani@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 9:39am
Subject: 91 Jeep Wrangler 4-Sale
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30371 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 9:51am
Subject: RE: NAXJA Moab October Run.
Scott,
I guess I did not clarify myself properly in my last post. Sorry if it didn't come out right.
Yes, I am going to Moab to wheel during the week of Oct. 7th.
No, I am not going to Moab because of the XJ get together....I'm not a member of NAXJA.
Yes, I will certainly be more than happy to run with Keith & friends, as you and I did discuss.
When someone says there is an "event" happening in Moab and are you going to the event, I would say that yes I am if I was in fact involved with the event....ie., when JU had their 2001 run in April, I was very much involved with that one. So, when the NAXJA is having an event in Moab, I responded no, I am not going to Moab because of that.
Does this make any more sense?
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Daddy Longlegs [mailto:scottkruize@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 11:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NAXJA Moab October Run.
Stu,
I thought I mentioned that Keith invited us to go on a few runs with the XJ's. I was planning on the 3 TJ's (Stu & Donna, Joe & Joyce, Theresa & myself) doing at least a couple runs with them and then a few ourselves.
Keith,
We all run 35's, locked, and 4:1 tcases. Please let us know which runs you'd be taking us on.
Thanks.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 7:58 PM
To: Keith D. Orr; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NAXJA Moab October Run.
Casper,
I am not goin gto Moab to participate in the XJ get together, but I plan on being in Moab during that week to do some wheelin'. I'll be arriving on Sunday, the 7th (later afternoon) and leaving at the end of the week, on Saturday morning. You can drop me e-mail off line if you wish.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith D. Orr [mailto:korr@zekes.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 7:21 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] NAXJA Moab October Run.
Hello Gang,
Interests have it that we should start a list of who is going to the NAXJA October Moab Event from the 8th thru the 14th. OK, This is the start of the list.......................
1. Casper ( Keith Orr ) 8th - 14th
2. Rags ( Ragnaar Soong ) 8th - 10th
3. Brian H. ( ?? ) 8th - 13th
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30372 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 9:53am
Subject: [FS] 91' Jeep Wrangler
Price: Make me an Offer
Contact: Leilani Griffin (775) 750-1280 snowyleilani@hotmail.com
Black, w/ soft top, two sets of doors, 33" Wild Cats and an extra set of 32" BFG Mud Terrains, Spring over, Custom Front/ rear bumpers, carpet kit, tons of extras. So clean and Straight. I can e-mail a picture by request.
30373 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 9:57am
Subject: [FS] 91' Jeep Wrangler
Price: Make me an Offer
Contact: Leilani Griffin (775) 750-1280 snowyleilani@hotmail.com
Black, w/ soft top, two sets of doors, 33" Wild Cats and an extra set of 32" BFG Mud Terrains, Spring over, Custom Front/ rear bumpers, carpet kit, tons of extras. So clean and Straight. I can e-mail a picture by request.
30374 From: Daddy Longlegs <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 10:27am
Subject: RE: NAXJA Moab October Run.
Stu,
I didn't mean to imply that we were going on the NAXJA event just that we were running a few trails with them. Sorry about the confusion.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:51 AM
To: Daddy Longlegs; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NAXJA Moab October Run.
Scott,
I guess I did not clarify myself properly in my last post. Sorry if it didn't come out right.
Yes, I am going to Moab to wheel during the week of Oct. 7th.
No, I am not going to Moab because of the XJ get together....I'm not a member of NAXJA.
Yes, I will certainly be more than happy to run with Keith & friends, as you and I did discuss.
When someone says there is an "event" happening in Moab and are you going to the event, I would say that yes I am if I was in fact involved with the event....ie., when JU had their 2001 run in April, I was very much involved with that one. So, when the NAXJA is having an event in Moab, I responded no, I am not going to Moab because of that.
Does this make any more sense?
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Daddy Longlegs [mailto:scottkruize@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 11:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NAXJA Moab October Run.
Stu,
I thought I mentioned that Keith invited us to go on a few runs with the XJ's. I was planning on the 3 TJ's (Stu & Donna, Joe & Joyce, Theresa & myself) doing at least a couple runs with them and then a few ourselves.
Keith,
We all run 35's, locked, and 4:1 tcases. Please let us know which runs you'd be taking us on.
Thanks.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 7:58 PM
To: Keith D. Orr; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NAXJA Moab October Run.
Casper,
I am not goin gto Moab to participate in the XJ get together, but I plan on being in Moab during that week to do some wheelin'. I'll be arriving on Sunday, the 7th (later afternoon) and leaving at the end of the week, on Saturday morning. You can drop me e-mail off line if you wish.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith D. Orr [mailto:korr@zekes.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 7:21 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] NAXJA Moab October Run.
Hello Gang,
Interests have it that we should start a list of who is going to the NAXJA October Moab Event from the 8th thru the 14th. OK, This is the start of the list.......................
1. Casper ( Keith Orr ) 8th - 14th
2. Rags ( Ragnaar Soong ) 8th - 10th
3. Brian H. ( ?? ) 8th - 13th
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30375 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 10:38am
Subject: Member Sighting - Tucson
I saw a black (or dark color) YJ (I think a YJ) with trimmed front
fenders, and no top on Palo Verde almost at Ajo yesterday (Thursday)
morning. I was in a Tahoe, and didn't have a chance to wave, so here is
your wave! Who was that?
Mike Baney
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30376 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 10:58am
Subject: Re: Gila Monster Run time
I was happy with the early start time. Oh well.
-Roger
David O'Boyle wrote:
>
> Ok the majority wants a later start time...
>
> 8am Sunday Sept 2nd..
> Circle K on Jackrabbit trail and I10....
> Don't forget to bring lots of water.......................
> It will be HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!
> ps. if your trailering your rigs there is plenty of room to park your
> tow rigs...
>
> Dave
> 623-327-1486
30377 From: Leilani Griffin <snowyleilani@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 11:05am
Subject: Re: Member Sighting - Tucson
Wasn't me, im in Reno Nevada, but hello anyways
Leilani Griffin
>From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
>To: Jeep List <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] Member Sighting - Tucson
>Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:38:45 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I saw a black (or dark color) YJ (I think a YJ) with trimmed front
>fenders, and no top on Palo Verde almost at Ajo yesterday (Thursday)
>morning. I was in a Tahoe, and didn't have a chance to wave, so here is
>your wave! Who was that?
>
>Mike Baney
>
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30378 From: Jim <ibe4x4in@e...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 11:07am
Subject: unsubscribe, remove , begone
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Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 11:53 PM
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30379 From: <kmichael02@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 11:33am
Subject: >>>>Fossil Creek>>>>
Does anyone have any info they can share, I'd like to go
wheeling/camping in that area as I've heard alot of cool things about
it.
thanks
mike
30380 From: Baja Fleg <fleigle@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 11:53am
Subject: Trail Map
I was looking for a few trails today on the webpage when the idea hit
me....an interactive trail map of AZ. Would be simple enough I think to
make. Basicly a big map of AZ with the trails on it. If anyone has seen
the new Geocaching state map feature where you can see the map of a state
with all the caches and names of caches in it thats what I'm talking about.
Would something like that be possible on azvjc.org?
Fleg
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30381 From: Shawn Passmore <jeepcj5nut@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 0:08pm
Subject: NAPA "SALE"
NAPA IS HAVING A 25% OFF SALE SEP. 1st-3rd.
GOOD TIME TO PICK UP THOSE EXTRA PARTS!!!!!!!!!!!
SHAWN PASSMORE
JEEPCJ5NUT
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30382 From: <jeeperaz@b...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 0:14pm
Subject: Looking for clutch pedal from 80-83 CJ with 4cyl
I need the (hydraulic) clutch pedal from any 80-83 CJ that had the
4cylinder engine.
Does anyone have one of these laying around in their misc. parts box?
I've tried the local salvage yards with no luck.
Regards,
Larry
30383 From: Nick <nnote@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 0:23pm
Subject: Tire rotation
While trying to rotate my tires I found I have one nut that just turns and turns and turns. What ordeal am I looking forward to here?
Of course I've never understood rotating my tires or brake components.....I've got them going at 70 mph all the time...... j/k
Nick
30384 From: Daddy Longlegs <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 0:32pm
Subject: RE: Tire rotation
Nick,
It sounds like you'll need to replace the wheel stud. This isn't very hard to do. What is hard to do is getting the wheel off with the old spun stud place. You'll have to try to get that stud cut off or broken off so you can remove the wheel to replace the stud. Once you have the wheel off its pretty easy to remove everything so you can press a replacement stud in.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick [mailto:nnote@azboss.net]
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 12:24 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Tire rotation
While trying to rotate my tires I found I have one nut that just turns and turns and turns. What ordeal am I looking forward to here?
Of course I've never understood rotating my tires or brake components.....I've got them going at 70 mph all the time...... j/k
Nick
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30385 From: <msa12171@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 0:51pm
Subject: ATTN LINDA: PAYSON TRAILS
Did you tell me that there is a new trail opened up near Woods Canyon
Lake? Who would I try to get in touch with that can give me location
info? TIA!
Mike Anderson
30386 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 0:53pm
Subject: [TR] Broken Arrow - Saturday, September 1, 2001
Hello All,
Matt Wazny is leading a Broken Arrow trail run on Saturday, September 1, 2001.
When: 10:00-11:00
Where: Trail head, never done the trail before, but I am hard to miss in a 2000 WJ on 32" MTRs.
Rating: 2.5+
Length: 2-3 hours
CB Channel: 10
Taking the Girlfriend on a wheeling trip with good scenery. Anybody is welcome.
Broken Arrow is a fun trail with great scenery. A stock Jeep can make this run and there are areas for those with built rigs to test and flex their suspension, such as the Crack. Pay attention to the signs, as part of this trail is a one-way loop.
A lot of Pink Jeeps share the trail so please put your best foot forward while representing our club. For many of the passengers on those Jeep tours, you are the first real off-roader they have ever seen (gosh, that is a scarey thought!) You will find that most of the pink drivers are pretty cool!
The Devil's Staircase is fun, and some members have been known to run it bottom-to-top. If you do, please post a look-out at the top to prevent someone from coming down while you are trying to go up.
It usually takes a couple of hours to make the loop, which allows ample time for pictures and a stop at Chicken Point for lunch (you did bring lunch, didn't you?)
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
30387 From: Randall A. Mutter <ramaz@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 1:03pm
Subject: RE: Trail Map
Fleg
That sounds like a great idea. I would be willing to lend a hand to get it
done.
RAM
Randall A. Mutter
ramaz@h... <mailto:ramaz@h...>
Thank goodness there are no 12 step programs for Jeeping...
-----Original Message-----
From: Baja Fleg [mailto:fleigle@h...]
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:54 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Trail Map
I was looking for a few trails today on the webpage when the idea hit
me....an interactive trail map of AZ. Would be simple enough I think to
make. Basicly a big map of AZ with the trails on it. If anyone has seen
the new Geocaching state map feature where you can see the map of a state
with all the caches and names of caches in it thats what I'm talking about.
Would something like that be possible on azvjc.org?
Fleg
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30388 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 1:33pm
Subject: Re: ATTN LINDA: PAYSON TRAILS
Let me know too. I camp up at Woods Canyon during the summer.
Chris K
> From: msa12171@a...
> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:51:42 -0000
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] ATTN LINDA: PAYSON TRAILS
>
> Did you tell me that there is a new trail opened up near Woods Canyon
> Lake? Who would I try to get in touch with that can give me location
> info? TIA!
>
> Mike Anderson
>
>
>
>
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30389 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 1:50pm
Subject: Re: ATTN LINDA: PAYSON TRAILS
Let me know too, please. My wife would like to get up to Payson more often
she really likes it up there.
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
My1stJeep@e...
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On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:33:30 -0700, Chris Krieg wrote:
> Let me know too. I camp up at Woods Canyon during the summer.
>
> Chris K
>
> > From: msa12171@a...
> > Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:51:42 -0000
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] ATTN LINDA: PAYSON TRAILS
> >
> > Did you tell me that there is a new trail opened up near Woods Canyon
> > Lake? Who would I try to get in touch with that can give me location
> > info? TIA!
> >
> > Mike Anderson
> >
> >
> >
> >
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30390 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 2:01pm
Subject: Re: >>>>Fossil Creek>>>>
A while back, Arizona Highways came out with "Backroad Adventures" book
that describes 20 backroad trips. One of them takes you through the
Fossil Creek area. If you can locate that book, it will give you some info.
-Roger
kmichael02@y... wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any info they can share, I'd like to go
> wheeling/camping in that area as I've heard alot of cool things about
> it.
>
> thanks
> mike
30391 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 2:15pm
Subject: Re: >>>>Fossil Creek>>>>
Very nice spot. If you want to go the LOOONG way there, you can reach it via
trails along the west side of the Verde, and run all the way from Cave
Creek/Carefree to Fossil Creek. Or, just take SR87 to Strawberry, and head
over to the creek from there. Nice hiking in the area. There's a small hydro
plant that's either been de-commissioned of is about to be, that's located
in the canyon. Lots of nice swim holes there...and camping spots, but please
pack out what you pack in. The area has been trashed in the past.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: <kmichael02@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:33 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] >>>>Fossil Creek>>>>
> Does anyone have any info they can share, I'd like to go
> wheeling/camping in that area as I've heard alot of cool things about
> it.
>
> thanks
> mike
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
30367 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 8:56am
Subject: [LU] Kartchner Caverns in DANGER - Please HELP!
For those of you who have been to Kartchner Caverns south of Benson, skip to the next paragraph.
If not, please believe me (and people who may have told you about the caverns) that Kartchner is a rare pristine “LIVE” cavern. A cavern unlike most you will ever have an opportunity to visit. I’ve traveled all over the world and have enjoyed visiting caverns everywhere. Kartchner takes a back seat to nobody. The formations are incredible. The environmental protection and ergonomic design in order to open Kartchner to us, the public, was planned and executed with surgical grace. DO NOT MISS THIS WONDER!
Kartchner is being threatened by the potential development of a resort. A “what”, you say? That’s right, a r-e-s-o-r-t that hopes to build on land adjacent to Kartchner. The ecological balance of cave and cavern formations is an unbelievable fine balance of soils and water. Anything unnatural can destroy that balance and turn this “LIVE” cavern into a “DEAD” one-dimensional postcard future generations will miss.
Included are links to better educate you.
State Park site
ABC News article
Arizona Republic 8/24
Arizona Republic 8/30
The article on the 30th explains what you can do. WAIT- STOP! Don’t leave your thoughts to someone else’s voice.
This requires a flood of opinions to get to the correct people right now. Wednesday the 6th of September, bureaucrats and money hungry developers will decide the fate of this ‘pristine palace.’ Please take a moment to read the articles and let your voices be heard.
Thank you for your interest and concern!
Ted Stratton
602-418-4965
Ted Stratton
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30368 From: JEEP THANG <jeep_thang@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 9:04am
Subject: Drive Shaft
Probably a dumb question but here goes.
Does anybody have a driveshaft from an 80's CJ7 that they do not want,
Or stock YJ Springs? If so let me know.
Sincerely:JEEP THANG
30369 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 8:57am
Subject: [LU] Kartchner Caverns in DANGER - Please HELP!
For those of you who have been to Kartchner Caverns south of Benson, skip to the next paragraph.
If not, please believe me (and people who may have told you about the caverns) that Kartchner is a rare pristine “LIVE” cavern. A cavern unlike most you will ever have an opportunity to visit. I’ve traveled all over the world and have enjoyed visiting caverns everywhere. Kartchner takes a back seat to nobody. The formations are incredible. The environmental protection and ergonomic design in order to open Kartchner to us, the public, was planned and executed with surgical grace. DO NOT MISS THIS WONDER!
Kartchner is being threatened by the potential development of a resort. A “what”, you say? That’s right, a r-e-s-o-r-t that hopes to build on land adjacent to Kartchner. The ecological balance of cave and cavern formations is an unbelievable fine balance of soils and water. Anything unnatural can destroy that balance and turn this “LIVE” cavern into a “DEAD” one-dimensional postcard future generations will miss.
Included are links to better educate you.
State Park site
ABC News article
Arizona Republic 8/24
Arizona Republic 8/30
The article on the 30th explains what you can do. WAIT- STOP! Don’t leave your thoughts to someone else’s voice.
This requires a flood of opinions to get to the correct people right now. Wednesday the 6th of September, bureaucrats and money hungry developers will decide the fate of this ‘pristine palace.’ Please take a moment to read the articles and let your voices be heard.
Thank you for your interest and concern!
Ted Stratton
602-418-4965
Ted Stratton
30370 From: <snowyleilani@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 9:39am
Subject: 91 Jeep Wrangler 4-Sale
91' Wrangler Black 100,00 Miles
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30371 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 9:51am
Subject: RE: NAXJA Moab October Run.
Scott,
I guess I did not clarify myself properly in my last post. Sorry if it didn't come out right.
Yes, I am going to Moab to wheel during the week of Oct. 7th.
No, I am not going to Moab because of the XJ get together....I'm not a member of NAXJA.
Yes, I will certainly be more than happy to run with Keith & friends, as you and I did discuss.
When someone says there is an "event" happening in Moab and are you going to the event, I would say that yes I am if I was in fact involved with the event....ie., when JU had their 2001 run in April, I was very much involved with that one. So, when the NAXJA is having an event in Moab, I responded no, I am not going to Moab because of that.
Does this make any more sense?
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Daddy Longlegs [mailto:scottkruize@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 11:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NAXJA Moab October Run.
Stu,
I thought I mentioned that Keith invited us to go on a few runs with the XJ's. I was planning on the 3 TJ's (Stu & Donna, Joe & Joyce, Theresa & myself) doing at least a couple runs with them and then a few ourselves.
Keith,
We all run 35's, locked, and 4:1 tcases. Please let us know which runs you'd be taking us on.
Thanks.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 7:58 PM
To: Keith D. Orr; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NAXJA Moab October Run.
Casper,
I am not goin gto Moab to participate in the XJ get together, but I plan on being in Moab during that week to do some wheelin'. I'll be arriving on Sunday, the 7th (later afternoon) and leaving at the end of the week, on Saturday morning. You can drop me e-mail off line if you wish.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith D. Orr [mailto:korr@zekes.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 7:21 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] NAXJA Moab October Run.
Hello Gang,
Interests have it that we should start a list of who is going to the NAXJA October Moab Event from the 8th thru the 14th. OK, This is the start of the list.......................
1. Casper ( Keith Orr ) 8th - 14th
2. Rags ( Ragnaar Soong ) 8th - 10th
3. Brian H. ( ?? ) 8th - 13th
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30372 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 9:53am
Subject: [FS] 91' Jeep Wrangler
Price: Make me an Offer
Contact: Leilani Griffin (775) 750-1280 snowyleilani@hotmail.com
Black, w/ soft top, two sets of doors, 33" Wild Cats and an extra set of 32" BFG Mud Terrains, Spring over, Custom Front/ rear bumpers, carpet kit, tons of extras. So clean and Straight. I can e-mail a picture by request.
30373 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 9:57am
Subject: [FS] 91' Jeep Wrangler
Price: Make me an Offer
Contact: Leilani Griffin (775) 750-1280 snowyleilani@hotmail.com
Black, w/ soft top, two sets of doors, 33" Wild Cats and an extra set of 32" BFG Mud Terrains, Spring over, Custom Front/ rear bumpers, carpet kit, tons of extras. So clean and Straight. I can e-mail a picture by request.
30374 From: Daddy Longlegs <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 10:27am
Subject: RE: NAXJA Moab October Run.
Stu,
I didn't mean to imply that we were going on the NAXJA event just that we were running a few trails with them. Sorry about the confusion.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:51 AM
To: Daddy Longlegs; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NAXJA Moab October Run.
Scott,
I guess I did not clarify myself properly in my last post. Sorry if it didn't come out right.
Yes, I am going to Moab to wheel during the week of Oct. 7th.
No, I am not going to Moab because of the XJ get together....I'm not a member of NAXJA.
Yes, I will certainly be more than happy to run with Keith & friends, as you and I did discuss.
When someone says there is an "event" happening in Moab and are you going to the event, I would say that yes I am if I was in fact involved with the event....ie., when JU had their 2001 run in April, I was very much involved with that one. So, when the NAXJA is having an event in Moab, I responded no, I am not going to Moab because of that.
Does this make any more sense?
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Daddy Longlegs [mailto:scottkruize@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 11:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NAXJA Moab October Run.
Stu,
I thought I mentioned that Keith invited us to go on a few runs with the XJ's. I was planning on the 3 TJ's (Stu & Donna, Joe & Joyce, Theresa & myself) doing at least a couple runs with them and then a few ourselves.
Keith,
We all run 35's, locked, and 4:1 tcases. Please let us know which runs you'd be taking us on.
Thanks.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 7:58 PM
To: Keith D. Orr; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] NAXJA Moab October Run.
Casper,
I am not goin gto Moab to participate in the XJ get together, but I plan on being in Moab during that week to do some wheelin'. I'll be arriving on Sunday, the 7th (later afternoon) and leaving at the end of the week, on Saturday morning. You can drop me e-mail off line if you wish.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith D. Orr [mailto:korr@zekes.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 7:21 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] NAXJA Moab October Run.
Hello Gang,
Interests have it that we should start a list of who is going to the NAXJA October Moab Event from the 8th thru the 14th. OK, This is the start of the list.......................
1. Casper ( Keith Orr ) 8th - 14th
2. Rags ( Ragnaar Soong ) 8th - 10th
3. Brian H. ( ?? ) 8th - 13th
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30375 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 10:38am
Subject: Member Sighting - Tucson
I saw a black (or dark color) YJ (I think a YJ) with trimmed front
fenders, and no top on Palo Verde almost at Ajo yesterday (Thursday)
morning. I was in a Tahoe, and didn't have a chance to wave, so here is
your wave! Who was that?
Mike Baney
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30376 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 10:58am
Subject: Re: Gila Monster Run time
I was happy with the early start time. Oh well.
-Roger
David O'Boyle wrote:
>
> Ok the majority wants a later start time...
>
> 8am Sunday Sept 2nd..
> Circle K on Jackrabbit trail and I10....
> Don't forget to bring lots of water.......................
> It will be HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!
> ps. if your trailering your rigs there is plenty of room to park your
> tow rigs...
>
> Dave
> 623-327-1486
30377 From: Leilani Griffin <snowyleilani@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 11:05am
Subject: Re: Member Sighting - Tucson
Wasn't me, im in Reno Nevada, but hello anyways
Leilani Griffin
>From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
>To: Jeep List <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] Member Sighting - Tucson
>Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:38:45 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I saw a black (or dark color) YJ (I think a YJ) with trimmed front
>fenders, and no top on Palo Verde almost at Ajo yesterday (Thursday)
>morning. I was in a Tahoe, and didn't have a chance to wave, so here is
>your wave! Who was that?
>
>Mike Baney
>
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30378 From: Jim <ibe4x4in@e...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 11:07am
Subject: unsubscribe, remove , begone
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Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 11:53 PM
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> --- In az_vjc@y..., "DesertJeep" <joey@j...> wrote:
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30379 From: <kmichael02@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 11:33am
Subject: >>>>Fossil Creek>>>>
Does anyone have any info they can share, I'd like to go
wheeling/camping in that area as I've heard alot of cool things about
it.
thanks
mike
30380 From: Baja Fleg <fleigle@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 11:53am
Subject: Trail Map
I was looking for a few trails today on the webpage when the idea hit
me....an interactive trail map of AZ. Would be simple enough I think to
make. Basicly a big map of AZ with the trails on it. If anyone has seen
the new Geocaching state map feature where you can see the map of a state
with all the caches and names of caches in it thats what I'm talking about.
Would something like that be possible on azvjc.org?
Fleg
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30381 From: Shawn Passmore <jeepcj5nut@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 0:08pm
Subject: NAPA "SALE"
NAPA IS HAVING A 25% OFF SALE SEP. 1st-3rd.
GOOD TIME TO PICK UP THOSE EXTRA PARTS!!!!!!!!!!!
SHAWN PASSMORE
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30382 From: <jeeperaz@b...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 0:14pm
Subject: Looking for clutch pedal from 80-83 CJ with 4cyl
I need the (hydraulic) clutch pedal from any 80-83 CJ that had the
4cylinder engine.
Does anyone have one of these laying around in their misc. parts box?
I've tried the local salvage yards with no luck.
Regards,
Larry
30383 From: Nick <nnote@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 0:23pm
Subject: Tire rotation
While trying to rotate my tires I found I have one nut that just turns and turns and turns. What ordeal am I looking forward to here?
Of course I've never understood rotating my tires or brake components.....I've got them going at 70 mph all the time...... j/k
Nick
30384 From: Daddy Longlegs <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 0:32pm
Subject: RE: Tire rotation
Nick,
It sounds like you'll need to replace the wheel stud. This isn't very hard to do. What is hard to do is getting the wheel off with the old spun stud place. You'll have to try to get that stud cut off or broken off so you can remove the wheel to replace the stud. Once you have the wheel off its pretty easy to remove everything so you can press a replacement stud in.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick [mailto:nnote@azboss.net]
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 12:24 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Tire rotation
While trying to rotate my tires I found I have one nut that just turns and turns and turns. What ordeal am I looking forward to here?
Of course I've never understood rotating my tires or brake components.....I've got them going at 70 mph all the time...... j/k
Nick
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30385 From: <msa12171@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 0:51pm
Subject: ATTN LINDA: PAYSON TRAILS
Did you tell me that there is a new trail opened up near Woods Canyon
Lake? Who would I try to get in touch with that can give me location
info? TIA!
Mike Anderson
30386 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 0:53pm
Subject: [TR] Broken Arrow - Saturday, September 1, 2001
Hello All,
Matt Wazny is leading a Broken Arrow trail run on Saturday, September 1, 2001.
When: 10:00-11:00
Where: Trail head, never done the trail before, but I am hard to miss in a 2000 WJ on 32" MTRs.
Rating: 2.5+
Length: 2-3 hours
CB Channel: 10
Taking the Girlfriend on a wheeling trip with good scenery. Anybody is welcome.
Broken Arrow is a fun trail with great scenery. A stock Jeep can make this run and there are areas for those with built rigs to test and flex their suspension, such as the Crack. Pay attention to the signs, as part of this trail is a one-way loop.
A lot of Pink Jeeps share the trail so please put your best foot forward while representing our club. For many of the passengers on those Jeep tours, you are the first real off-roader they have ever seen (gosh, that is a scarey thought!) You will find that most of the pink drivers are pretty cool!
The Devil's Staircase is fun, and some members have been known to run it bottom-to-top. If you do, please post a look-out at the top to prevent someone from coming down while you are trying to go up.
It usually takes a couple of hours to make the loop, which allows ample time for pictures and a stop at Chicken Point for lunch (you did bring lunch, didn't you?)
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
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Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
30387 From: Randall A. Mutter <ramaz@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 1:03pm
Subject: RE: Trail Map
Fleg
That sounds like a great idea. I would be willing to lend a hand to get it
done.
RAM
Randall A. Mutter
ramaz@h... <mailto:ramaz@h...>
Thank goodness there are no 12 step programs for Jeeping...
-----Original Message-----
From: Baja Fleg [mailto:fleigle@h...]
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:54 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Trail Map
I was looking for a few trails today on the webpage when the idea hit
me....an interactive trail map of AZ. Would be simple enough I think to
make. Basicly a big map of AZ with the trails on it. If anyone has seen
the new Geocaching state map feature where you can see the map of a state
with all the caches and names of caches in it thats what I'm talking about.
Would something like that be possible on azvjc.org?
Fleg
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30388 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 1:33pm
Subject: Re: ATTN LINDA: PAYSON TRAILS
Let me know too. I camp up at Woods Canyon during the summer.
Chris K
> From: msa12171@a...
> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:51:42 -0000
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] ATTN LINDA: PAYSON TRAILS
>
> Did you tell me that there is a new trail opened up near Woods Canyon
> Lake? Who would I try to get in touch with that can give me location
> info? TIA!
>
> Mike Anderson
>
>
>
>
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30389 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 1:50pm
Subject: Re: ATTN LINDA: PAYSON TRAILS
Let me know too, please. My wife would like to get up to Payson more often
she really likes it up there.
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
My1stJeep@e...
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On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:33:30 -0700, Chris Krieg wrote:
> Let me know too. I camp up at Woods Canyon during the summer.
>
> Chris K
>
> > From: msa12171@a...
> > Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:51:42 -0000
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] ATTN LINDA: PAYSON TRAILS
> >
> > Did you tell me that there is a new trail opened up near Woods Canyon
> > Lake? Who would I try to get in touch with that can give me location
> > info? TIA!
> >
> > Mike Anderson
> >
> >
> >
> >
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30390 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 2:01pm
Subject: Re: >>>>Fossil Creek>>>>
A while back, Arizona Highways came out with "Backroad Adventures" book
that describes 20 backroad trips. One of them takes you through the
Fossil Creek area. If you can locate that book, it will give you some info.
-Roger
kmichael02@y... wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any info they can share, I'd like to go
> wheeling/camping in that area as I've heard alot of cool things about
> it.
>
> thanks
> mike
30391 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2001 2:15pm
Subject: Re: >>>>Fossil Creek>>>>
Very nice spot. If you want to go the LOOONG way there, you can reach it via
trails along the west side of the Verde, and run all the way from Cave
Creek/Carefree to Fossil Creek. Or, just take SR87 to Strawberry, and head
over to the creek from there. Nice hiking in the area. There's a small hydro
plant that's either been de-commissioned of is about to be, that's located
in the canyon. Lots of nice swim holes there...and camping spots, but please
pack out what you pack in. The area has been trashed in the past.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: <kmichael02@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:33 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] >>>>Fossil Creek>>>>
> Does anyone have any info they can share, I'd like to go
> wheeling/camping in that area as I've heard alot of cool things about
> it.
>
> thanks
> mike
>
>
>
>
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>