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30267 From: DesertJeep <joey@j...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 6:41pm
Subject: RE: Spring sag question
You might look further. You may have snapped the spring centering bolt. There is a bolt that centers all the leafs. I have snapped both the rear bolt on my DC 3.5" lift spring packs. The Jeep was tracking sideways when I drove it. I also noticed that the passengers rear wheel would rub when that bolt broke.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Whitrock [mailto:marcrock@mindspring.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 6:17 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Spring sag question
Hello All!
I have a 90 YJ with a Dick Cepek 3 1/2 inch spring lift. (4 years old) I noticed my Jeep pulling to the right and under compression my right front tire will hit my fender before my left does. I took some measurements and my axle is 1 inch further back on the right side. Could spring sag cause this? Or do I have to look further?
Thanks,
Marc
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30268 From: Daryl Faust <louddog71@y...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 6:48pm
Subject: 4.0 head on a 258
I've seen on a couple of web sites that putting a 94
or newer head from a 4.0 liter on a 258 adds ~40hp and
best of all, it bolts right on with no fab work. The
hp gain is due to increased air flow through the ports
from a better design.
Anyone do this with success? My head is due for a
rebuild and I'm wondering if this is the way to go.
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30269 From: Eric Herring <herring@q...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 6:57pm
Subject: RE: RE: Box Canyon
Mesa ranger station. It's on Center (I think) north of Main. Hours are like
8-5 m-f.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 5:10 PM
To: AZ_VJC; JNB4PLS@a...
Subject: [az_vjc] RE: Box Canyon
That's it, Bull Dog Canyon. Where do you go for that?
Sorry about the confusion.
--James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JNB4PLS@a... [mailto:JNB4PLS@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 3:18 PM
> To: James.Towle@a...
> Subject: Box Canyon
>
>
> James are you sure that you're not thinking of Bulldog Canyon,
> ther is a gate
> there that you need the combination for.
>
> John Butler
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30270 From: Garrison St.Clair <gunslinger@i...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 6:57pm
Subject: Re: 4.0 head on a 258
Daryl,
Lots of info about this on the 'strokers' list.
strokers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
And yes, its almost as easy as it sounds.
Gunslinger
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daryl Faust" <louddog71@y...>
To: "AZ jeep club" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 29 August, 2001 20:48
Subject: [az_vjc] 4.0 head on a 258
> I've seen on a couple of web sites that putting a 94
> or newer head from a 4.0 liter on a 258 adds ~40hp and
> best of all, it bolts right on with no fab work. The
> hp gain is due to increased air flow through the ports
> from a better design.
>
> Anyone do this with success? My head is due for a
> rebuild and I'm wondering if this is the way to go.
>
>
>
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30271 From: <FLEXYXJ@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 4:10pm
Subject: Re: [FS] WANTED XJ RIMS & TIRES
I just aquired a full set of 5 XJ wheels off of my 98...they are a 5 spoke
design and look like a star . they are in perfect condition and there are 5
of them. they will be ready by next friday eve...just let me know what they
are worth to you!!!!
FlexyXJ@aol.com (Joe and Lisa Daro)
30272 From: <FLEXYXJ@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 4:17pm
Subject: Re: My Heart Goes Out
Ok dan 2 questions...where do you find this stuff and do you still have that
SYE kit??? Let me know I have cash!!!!!
FlexyXJ
30273 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 8:23pm
Subject: [TR] Coke Ovens - Monday, September 3, 2001 - Reminder
Hello All,
Scott Grigsby is leading a Coke Ovens trail run on Monday, September 3, 2001.
When: Monday. Labor Day
Where: meet at the Texaco at Florance Juct. At 7:30 AM
Rating: 2.5+
Length: better part of the day
CB Channel: 4
We go in the back way off battle axe road between Superior and Kearny. Lots of good Scenery to look at. We will come out in near Martinez Canyon.
The Coke Ovens Trail is an all day trip. It covers a lot of different countryside, traveling over and around the rolling hills and traverse some rocks and ledges in the road.
Years ago the Coke Ovens were built to support some of the smelters at the nearby mines. It's a fairly common misconception that they made coke, which is made from coal. However, they were built to make charcoal from the then more plentiful mesquite of the Gila Valley.
Over the years they have been closed to the public numerous times and several have been used as "housing" for the hermits of the hills. At one point (so the story goes) an owner attempted to convert them into a type of tourist resort - and started to make rooms out of them. You can still see the lofts he installed in some of them. This project was never finished.
At this time we are able to see and explore these amazing creations. They are located on the side of a hill along the Gila River and are quite spectacular.
Across the Gila is the old town site of Chochran. If the water is low, there is a river crossing to the west of Chochran that can be taken for an exit out to the Florence-Kelvin Highway
This trail is definitely a favorite for all levels of 4-wheelers. Stock vehicles shouldn't have any problems although clearance is highly recommended. There are several areas of "rock stair steps" that will be a challenge to the novice or stock driver.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
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30274 From: <FLEXYXJ@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 4:32pm
Subject: Re: Cherokee Question
did you happen to see it on northern and I-17?? If so it was us!!! were you
in a YJ with warn stickers on it????
FlexyXJ
30275 From: gandre01 <gandre01@m...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 9:20pm
Subject: Fw: Cherokee Question
Full Size Cherokees were built from '74 to '83 and came in essentially two
models...narrow tracks and wide tracks. The wide tracks are easily
distinguished by the ~5" fender flares and were available in 2 doors only.
The narrow track have small (~1") fender flares and came in either 2 or 4
doors.
The Cherokee on the website pulling the Hummer suffered a catastrophic
accident last year. I have rebuilt another full size Cherokee and am ready
to show her off. I'll have to show you mine on the trail someday.
I have attached a picture of it with Len Sullivan's J10 P/U truck. I have
since added several accessories including lights. I should have pictures
available this weekend to post.
George Andrews
'83 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
'00 TJ
Avondale Arizona
----- Original Message -----
From: <g_rob_williams@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:53 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Cherokee Question
> I saw an old Cherokee that looked like an old Wagoneer, anyone know
> anything about these old Cherokees? I really like the way they look,
> does anyone out there have one? I'm not sure what year it was...
> guessing 70s?? Anyway lemme know if you have any info... thanks!! -Rob
>
>
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30276 From: Scott Legge <scottlegge@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 11:01pm
Subject: Re: OHV Park
I was thinking the same thing about a wash near my house! (Indian bend)
Anyway it would be cool because people drive in there (illegally) anyways
and ALWAYS get stuck and ticketed in stock newer 4x4's the kids had for the
night whenever it rains. I even got flagged down once by a cop that wanted
me to pull one out. I didnt do it for a lack of recovery devices and stock
29" tires needless to say a tow truck (2wd dually) got BURRIED and it was
funny to see all the big blazers and soopr doodies trying to get them
unstuck. Quite an eventful sat morning :) They should open one up in town
except noise and pollution would have people freaking out much less the
LIABILITY!
Scott Legge
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
To: "AZ_VJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 5:20 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] OHV Park
>
> This is just an idea, and maybe a stupid one.
>
> As I was driving along the 202 east today, I was remembering being able to
> run through the river bottom. I noticed further that there are some stair
> steps in the river bottom just west of McClintock.
>
> Now I have never been in favor of OHV park but, if somebody was to put one
> in the river bottom it might be kind of neat. The dirt bikers and quads
> could use it, it if went for a distance. You wouldn't have to worry about
> big boulder (obstacles) being washed down the river when it runs. In
> addition, it would look more natural than a flat piece of reconstructed
> river bottom they have constructed.
> I don't think you would get much support for this in Tempe, but maybe Mesa
> (they may not have a part of the bed) or the planned reconstruct in
Phoenix.
>
> Well that's my idea. If you know anybody willing to take on such a project
> then please through this their way.
>
> --James
>
>
>
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30277 From: AzVJC Website <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 11:50pm
Subject: [TR] Gila Monster - Sunday, September 2, 2001
Hello All,
Dave O'Boyle is leading a Gila Monster trail run on Sunday, September 2, 2001.
When: 6am Circle K on Jackrabbit trail and I10.
Where:
Rating: 3.0+
Length: 3 to 4 hrs..
CB Channel: 4
Solid 3+ there are bypasses at the most difficult obsticles.
This trail is rated a 3+ with optional 4+ to 5's. There are several lines to take so anyone equipped to handle a 3+ can do this trail.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
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30278 From: AzVJC Website <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 11:52pm
Subject: [TR] Gila Monster - Sunday, September 2, 2001 - Reminder
Hello All,
Dave O'Boyle is leading a Gila Monster trail run on Sunday, September 2, 2001.
When: Sunday Sept 2nd
6am Circle K on Jackrabbit trail and I10.
Where: Take I10 west to Jacrabbit trail and head south about 1/2 a mile.
Rating: 3.0+
Length: 3 to 4 hrs..
CB Channel: 4
Solid 3+ there are bypasses at the most difficult obsticles.
This trail is rated a 3+ with optional 4+ to 5's. There are several lines to take so anyone equipped to handle a 3+ can do this trail.
Sign Up List:
Dave O'Boyle Definite
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Thank You,
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30279 From: lynch <lynch@v...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 0:21am
Subject: Re: OHV Park
Hence the idea of running somewhere in the river corridor.. Sky
Harbor uses that as a traffic area (when they're not buzzing
Tempe and North Mesa with 747's! :) so noise is perhaps not as big
of a factor.
Liability is a definite concern, but I'd think if cities can run skate
parks where 12 year olds catch air on skateboards, an OHV park with lotsa
rocks and twisty stuff shouldn't be much different. Some sort of rules
regarding spotting and pedestrians not trafficking the vehicle areas
are probably necessary. Does anyone know what places like Cinder Hills
do? Are there liability release forms and such?
Being a resident for only a year, I don't know what flooding issues
exist for that area either.. and with our 'monsoon' storms in the summer,
such things would need to be carefully analyzed. An OHV park would go under
quickly if a bunch of newbies with stock vehicles got flooded out and
then sued or whatever.
-lynch
On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 11:01:28PM -0700, Scott Legge wrote:
> unstuck. Quite an eventful sat morning :) They should open one up in town
> except noise and pollution would have people freaking out much less the
> LIABILITY!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
> To: "AZ_VJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 5:20 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] OHV Park
>
>
> >
> > This is just an idea, and maybe a stupid one.
> >
> > As I was driving along the 202 east today, I was remembering being able to
> > run through the river bottom. I noticed further that there are some stair
> > steps in the river bottom just west of McClintock.
30280 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 1:07am
Subject: Re: recovery strap choice
While your at it, add a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit, and a
Hi-Lift jack. That should satisfy the "incrementalism" for a week or
so...
Chris M
87 YJ
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> For the SWB Jeeps, it seems that a 30'x2" strap is pretty popular.
I've
> used mine a number of times and it has always done the job.
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tom lafrance [mailto:tlafrance@j...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 10:15 AM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] recovery strap choice
>
>
> It's time to start adding equipment.........
>
> I see recovery straps in 20ft and 30 ft with widths of 2inch or
3inch.
> What's the most popular/useful strap to have for trail use?
>
> TIA,
>
> Tom
>
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30281 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 1:21am
Subject: Re: OHV Park/Cinder Hills
The Cinder Hills OHV area is more of a quad or dirt bike play area.
unless you have paddle tires and lotsa ponies, any of the fun hills
are impossible. There is no release form, warning label, or other
form of liability waiver to sign. Drive in, play, drive out. Pick
up your trash, watch out for cops on dirt bikes, and watch the bikes
catch some sick amounts of altitude. It is on county land however,
outside of Flagstaff city limits. Good luck getting Tempe or Mesa to
set aside land that could be developed and turning it into an OHV
park.
Chris M
87 YJ turd brown with another big-*** dent courtesy of my girlfriend,
a tree, and 4-wheeling by moonlight...
--- In az_vjc@y..., lynch <lynch@v...> wrote:
> Hence the idea of running somewhere in the river corridor.. Sky
> Harbor uses that as a traffic area (when they're not buzzing
> Tempe and North Mesa with 747's! :) so noise is perhaps not as big
> of a factor.
>
> Liability is a definite concern, but I'd think if cities can run
skate
> parks where 12 year olds catch air on skateboards, an OHV park with
lotsa
> rocks and twisty stuff shouldn't be much different. Some sort of
rules
> regarding spotting and pedestrians not trafficking the vehicle areas
> are probably necessary. Does anyone know what places like Cinder
Hills
> do? Are there liability release forms and such?
>
> Being a resident for only a year, I don't know what flooding issues
> exist for that area either.. and with our 'monsoon' storms in the
summer,
> such things would need to be carefully analyzed. An OHV park would
go under
> quickly if a bunch of newbies with stock vehicles got flooded out
and
> then sued or whatever.
>
> -lynch
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 11:01:28PM -0700, Scott Legge wrote:
> > unstuck. Quite an eventful sat morning :) They should open one up
in town
> > except noise and pollution would have people freaking out much
less the
> > LIABILITY!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
> > To: "AZ_VJC" <az_vjc@y...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 5:20 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> >
> >
> > >
> > > This is just an idea, and maybe a stupid one.
> > >
> > > As I was driving along the 202 east today, I was remembering
being able to
> > > run through the river bottom. I noticed further that there are
some stair
> > > steps in the river bottom just west of McClintock.
30282 From: Patrick Burau <pburau@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 6:52am
Subject: Re: 4.0 head on a 258
Daryl,
From what I read there is a water port difference and you have to plug a few
holes in the 4.0L head and use a 4.0L header or exhaust manifold, bolt on
other than that. I have a head to try it on mine.
Pat
'88 YJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daryl Faust" <louddog71@y...>
To: "AZ jeep club" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 6:48 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] 4.0 head on a 258
> I've seen on a couple of web sites that putting a 94
> or newer head from a 4.0 liter on a 258 adds ~40hp and
> best of all, it bolts right on with no fab work. The
> hp gain is due to increased air flow through the ports
> from a better design.
>
> Anyone do this with success? My head is due for a
> rebuild and I'm wondering if this is the way to go.
>
>
>
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30283 From: Eric Herring <herring@q...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 7:28am
Subject: RE: Cherokee Question
What about the Grand Wagoneer? They made those up until 92 or so.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: gandre01 [mailto:gandre01@m...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 9:20 PM
To: azvjc
Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] Cherokee Question
Full Size Cherokees were built from '74 to '83 and came in essentially two
models...narrow tracks and wide tracks. The wide tracks are easily
distinguished by the ~5" fender flares and were available in 2 doors only.
The narrow track have small (~1") fender flares and came in either 2 or 4
doors.
The Cherokee on the website pulling the Hummer suffered a catastrophic
accident last year. I have rebuilt another full size Cherokee and am ready
to show her off. I'll have to show you mine on the trail someday.
I have attached a picture of it with Len Sullivan's J10 P/U truck. I have
since added several accessories including lights. I should have pictures
available this weekend to post.
George Andrews
'83 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
'00 TJ
Avondale Arizona
----- Original Message -----
From: <g_rob_williams@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:53 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Cherokee Question
> I saw an old Cherokee that looked like an old Wagoneer, anyone know
> anything about these old Cherokees? I really like the way they look,
> does anyone out there have one? I'm not sure what year it was...
> guessing 70s?? Anyway lemme know if you have any info... thanks!! -Rob
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
30284 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 8:43am
Subject: RE: 4.0 head on a 258
I have read on the Strokers list that it only adds 10hp and that the
accessory bracket holes are not in the correct place for the 258 brackets.
Also you will need to use the 4.0L header. The 4.0L head just flows better
so why not fix you 258 head to flow better. That is what I did to mine. I
ported it, decked it .020" and did a 3 way valve grind. I would bet it ever
flows better then the 4.0L after the mods.
-----Original Message-----
From: Daryl Faust [mailto:louddog71@y...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 6:48 PM
To: AZ jeep club
Subject: [az_vjc] 4.0 head on a 258
I've seen on a couple of web sites that putting a 94
or newer head from a 4.0 liter on a 258 adds ~40hp and
best of all, it bolts right on with no fab work. The
hp gain is due to increased air flow through the ports
from a better design.
Anyone do this with success? My head is due for a
rebuild and I'm wondering if this is the way to go.
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30285 From: JEEP THANG <jeep_thang@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 8:53am
Subject: Re: Tucson Runs This Weekend?
I think that we are going out, Do not know which trail as of yet, but
you can bet it will either be Charouleau Gap or Reddington, Probably
Charouleau Gap (Catalina to Oracle). If you want to go let me know.
Sincerely: JEEP THANG
Larry Carmen and EMILY
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Brent Lizakowski" <brent_lizakowski@h...> wrote:
> Anyone in the Tucson area going wheeling sometime this weekend?
>
> Let me know. It's been a while since I've been out.
>
> Brent
30286 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 9:10am
Subject: RE: OHV Park
lynch,
As far as flooding, there is usually a warning before they release water
into the river bed. In the past, SRP has warned the water is coming down the
Salt River bed hours if not a day in advance. If it was to be built down
river from Tempe Town Lake there would be a double warning, one from SRP
about the initial release and another from Tempe saying they were going to
collapse the dam. Down river from Tempe Town Lake would be a better spot any
how. The noise wouldn't be a concern and that area (Phoenix part) is
supposed to be reconstructed soon.
The liability is definitely an issue but, I agree though, if the skate parks
are and lakes then why not this? There are quite a few deaths every year on
lakes because of ignorant boaters. I don't believe the state gets sued over
these.
There could be a check it booth on bank of the river bed. That way it
doesn't get washed down stream with the flooding. Also, a trailer parking
area could be on the bank. One way in and out so people would have to would
have to check in and there could be hours of operation.
--James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lynch [mailto:lynch@v...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 12:22 AM
> To: Scott Legge
> Cc: AZ_VJC; James Towle
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
>
>
> Hence the idea of running somewhere in the river corridor.. Sky
> Harbor uses that as a traffic area (when they're not buzzing
> Tempe and North Mesa with 747's! :) so noise is perhaps not as big
> of a factor.
>
> Liability is a definite concern, but I'd think if cities can run skate
> parks where 12 year olds catch air on skateboards, an OHV park with lotsa
> rocks and twisty stuff shouldn't be much different. Some sort of rules
> regarding spotting and pedestrians not trafficking the vehicle areas
> are probably necessary. Does anyone know what places like Cinder Hills
> do? Are there liability release forms and such?
>
> Being a resident for only a year, I don't know what flooding issues
> exist for that area either.. and with our 'monsoon' storms in the summer,
> such things would need to be carefully analyzed. An OHV park
> would go under
> quickly if a bunch of newbies with stock vehicles got flooded out and
> then sued or whatever.
>
> -lynch
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 11:01:28PM -0700, Scott Legge wrote:
> > unstuck. Quite an eventful sat morning :) They should open one
> up in town
> > except noise and pollution would have people freaking out much less the
> > LIABILITY!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
> > To: "AZ_VJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 5:20 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> >
> >
> > >
> > > This is just an idea, and maybe a stupid one.
> > >
> > > As I was driving along the 202 east today, I was remembering
> being able to
> > > run through the river bottom. I noticed further that there
> are some stair
> > > steps in the river bottom just west of McClintock.
30287 From: <azjeepnut@w...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 9:10am
Subject: Re: Re: Tucson Runs This Weekend?
What day?
--
Matt B.
94 YJ
93 XJ
http://azjeeps.offroadhq.net
Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
> I think that we are going out, Do not know which trail as of yet, but
> you can bet it will either be Charouleau Gap or Reddington, Probably
> Charouleau Gap (Catalina to Oracle). If you want to go let me know.
>
> Sincerely: JEEP THANG
> Larry Carmen and EMILY
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Brent Lizakowski" <brent_lizakowski@h...> wrote:
> > Anyone in the Tucson area going wheeling sometime this weekend?
> >
> > Let me know. It's been a while since I've been out.
> >
> > Brent
>
>
>
>
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30288 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 9:32am
Subject: [TR] Box Canyon - Saturday, September 1, 2001
Hello All,
Scott Thomas is leading a Box Canyon trail run on Saturday, September 1, 2001.
When: Meet at the Texaco in Florance at 8:00pm
Where: Meet at the Texaco in Florance and then head to the trail.
Rating: 3.0
Length: 3.5 -4.5 hours
CB Channel: 4
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
30289 From: DesertJeep <joey@j...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 9:35am
Subject: RE: OHV Park
James you have a good idea and I support it. But I don't think they (the
powers that be) would let us put boulders of significant size before the
Tempe Lake. I remember the river flowing in '91 or was it '92 and that
was quite the site. The park would be washed away in a hurry and
anything down stream of the boulders would be in jeopardy. If you look
in the river bottom now you will notice that there is nothing larger
than river rock in the bed.
Don't get me wrong I am for the park idea it's just I think the river
bottom is void of structures for a reason.
My .02 cents
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:10 AM
> To: AZ_VJC; lynch
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] OHV Park
>
>
> lynch,
>
> As far as flooding, there is usually a warning before they
> release water into the river bed. In the past, SRP has warned
> the water is coming down the Salt River bed hours if not a
> day in advance. If it was to be built down river from Tempe
> Town Lake there would be a double warning, one from SRP about
> the initial release and another from Tempe saying they were
> going to collapse the dam. Down river from Tempe Town Lake
> would be a better spot any how. The noise wouldn't be a
> concern and that area (Phoenix part) is supposed to be
> reconstructed soon. The liability is definitely an issue but,
> I agree though, if the skate parks are and lakes then why not
> this? There are quite a few deaths every year on lakes
> because of ignorant boaters. I don't believe the state gets
> sued over these. There could be a check it booth on bank of
> the river bed. That way it doesn't get washed down stream
> with the flooding. Also, a trailer parking area could be on
> the bank. One way in and out so people would have to would
> have to check in and there could be hours of operation.
>
> --James
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lynch [mailto:lynch@v...]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 12:22 AM
> > To: Scott Legge
> > Cc: AZ_VJC; James Towle
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> >
> >
> > Hence the idea of running somewhere in the river corridor..
> Sky Harbor
> > uses that as a traffic area (when they're not buzzing Tempe
> and North
> > Mesa with 747's! :) so noise is perhaps not as big of a factor.
> >
> > Liability is a definite concern, but I'd think if cities
> can run skate
> > parks where 12 year olds catch air on skateboards, an OHV park with
> > lotsa rocks and twisty stuff shouldn't be much different.
> Some sort of
> > rules regarding spotting and pedestrians not trafficking
> the vehicle
> > areas are probably necessary. Does anyone know what places
> like Cinder
> > Hills do? Are there liability release forms and such?
> >
> > Being a resident for only a year, I don't know what flooding issues
> > exist for that area either.. and with our 'monsoon' storms in the
> > summer, such things would need to be carefully analyzed.
> An OHV park
> > would go under quickly if a bunch of newbies with stock
> vehicles got
> > flooded out and then sued or whatever.
> >
> > -lynch
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 11:01:28PM -0700, Scott Legge wrote:
> > > unstuck. Quite an eventful sat morning :) They should open one
> > up in town
> > > except noise and pollution would have people freaking out
> much less
> > > the LIABILITY!
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
> > > To: "AZ_VJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 5:20 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > This is just an idea, and maybe a stupid one.
> > > >
> > > > As I was driving along the 202 east today, I was remembering
> > being able to
> > > > run through the river bottom. I noticed further that there
> > are some stair
> > > > steps in the river bottom just west of McClintock.
>
>
>
>
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30290 From: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 10:01am
Subject: New poll for az_vjc
Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
az_vjc group:
Should trail information on the AzVJC
website be for members only?
o No, Keep it as it is.
o Yes, Only members should be able to access trail information.
o Yes and No, It would be bennificial if SOME trails' info were for members only.
To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/polls
Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.
Thanks!
30291 From: <Mike@A...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 10:05am
Subject: Trail Information
Everyone,
Currently all trails listed on the AzVJC website are available to
both members and guests. The only info not listed for guests is "how
to get there."
After thinking and talking about this, perhaps it would be a better
idea to not have any trail info available for guests. Or perhaps
certain trails should not be listed except for members.
A new poll has been opened and will close Sep 6th. I will change or
not change the website in accordance with what everyone agrees upon
here.
- Mike
30267 From: DesertJeep <joey@j...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 6:41pm
Subject: RE: Spring sag question
You might look further. You may have snapped the spring centering bolt. There is a bolt that centers all the leafs. I have snapped both the rear bolt on my DC 3.5" lift spring packs. The Jeep was tracking sideways when I drove it. I also noticed that the passengers rear wheel would rub when that bolt broke.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Whitrock [mailto:marcrock@mindspring.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 6:17 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Spring sag question
Hello All!
I have a 90 YJ with a Dick Cepek 3 1/2 inch spring lift. (4 years old) I noticed my Jeep pulling to the right and under compression my right front tire will hit my fender before my left does. I took some measurements and my axle is 1 inch further back on the right side. Could spring sag cause this? Or do I have to look further?
Thanks,
Marc
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30268 From: Daryl Faust <louddog71@y...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 6:48pm
Subject: 4.0 head on a 258
I've seen on a couple of web sites that putting a 94
or newer head from a 4.0 liter on a 258 adds ~40hp and
best of all, it bolts right on with no fab work. The
hp gain is due to increased air flow through the ports
from a better design.
Anyone do this with success? My head is due for a
rebuild and I'm wondering if this is the way to go.
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30269 From: Eric Herring <herring@q...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 6:57pm
Subject: RE: RE: Box Canyon
Mesa ranger station. It's on Center (I think) north of Main. Hours are like
8-5 m-f.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 5:10 PM
To: AZ_VJC; JNB4PLS@a...
Subject: [az_vjc] RE: Box Canyon
That's it, Bull Dog Canyon. Where do you go for that?
Sorry about the confusion.
--James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JNB4PLS@a... [mailto:JNB4PLS@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 3:18 PM
> To: James.Towle@a...
> Subject: Box Canyon
>
>
> James are you sure that you're not thinking of Bulldog Canyon,
> ther is a gate
> there that you need the combination for.
>
> John Butler
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30270 From: Garrison St.Clair <gunslinger@i...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 6:57pm
Subject: Re: 4.0 head on a 258
Daryl,
Lots of info about this on the 'strokers' list.
strokers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
And yes, its almost as easy as it sounds.
Gunslinger
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daryl Faust" <louddog71@y...>
To: "AZ jeep club" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 29 August, 2001 20:48
Subject: [az_vjc] 4.0 head on a 258
> I've seen on a couple of web sites that putting a 94
> or newer head from a 4.0 liter on a 258 adds ~40hp and
> best of all, it bolts right on with no fab work. The
> hp gain is due to increased air flow through the ports
> from a better design.
>
> Anyone do this with success? My head is due for a
> rebuild and I'm wondering if this is the way to go.
>
>
>
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30271 From: <FLEXYXJ@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 4:10pm
Subject: Re: [FS] WANTED XJ RIMS & TIRES
I just aquired a full set of 5 XJ wheels off of my 98...they are a 5 spoke
design and look like a star . they are in perfect condition and there are 5
of them. they will be ready by next friday eve...just let me know what they
are worth to you!!!!
FlexyXJ@aol.com (Joe and Lisa Daro)
30272 From: <FLEXYXJ@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 4:17pm
Subject: Re: My Heart Goes Out
Ok dan 2 questions...where do you find this stuff and do you still have that
SYE kit??? Let me know I have cash!!!!!
FlexyXJ
30273 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 8:23pm
Subject: [TR] Coke Ovens - Monday, September 3, 2001 - Reminder
Hello All,
Scott Grigsby is leading a Coke Ovens trail run on Monday, September 3, 2001.
When: Monday. Labor Day
Where: meet at the Texaco at Florance Juct. At 7:30 AM
Rating: 2.5+
Length: better part of the day
CB Channel: 4
We go in the back way off battle axe road between Superior and Kearny. Lots of good Scenery to look at. We will come out in near Martinez Canyon.
The Coke Ovens Trail is an all day trip. It covers a lot of different countryside, traveling over and around the rolling hills and traverse some rocks and ledges in the road.
Years ago the Coke Ovens were built to support some of the smelters at the nearby mines. It's a fairly common misconception that they made coke, which is made from coal. However, they were built to make charcoal from the then more plentiful mesquite of the Gila Valley.
Over the years they have been closed to the public numerous times and several have been used as "housing" for the hermits of the hills. At one point (so the story goes) an owner attempted to convert them into a type of tourist resort - and started to make rooms out of them. You can still see the lofts he installed in some of them. This project was never finished.
At this time we are able to see and explore these amazing creations. They are located on the side of a hill along the Gila River and are quite spectacular.
Across the Gila is the old town site of Chochran. If the water is low, there is a river crossing to the west of Chochran that can be taken for an exit out to the Florence-Kelvin Highway
This trail is definitely a favorite for all levels of 4-wheelers. Stock vehicles shouldn't have any problems although clearance is highly recommended. There are several areas of "rock stair steps" that will be a challenge to the novice or stock driver.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Sign Up List:
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Russell Gevarter Tentative
Clint Ramsey Tentative
Rob Brooks Tentative
Tom LaFrance Tentative
Brian Ferrell Definite
Nick Marce Definite
steve sample Tentative
DJ Johnstone Tentative
John Skelly Tentative
Blaine DePue Definite
Don Turner Tentative
Dave Moore Tentative
Rick Hall Tentative
jake jacobsen Tentative
Jeff Cox Tentative
Jason La Montagne Tentative
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
30274 From: <FLEXYXJ@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 4:32pm
Subject: Re: Cherokee Question
did you happen to see it on northern and I-17?? If so it was us!!! were you
in a YJ with warn stickers on it????
FlexyXJ
30275 From: gandre01 <gandre01@m...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 9:20pm
Subject: Fw: Cherokee Question
Full Size Cherokees were built from '74 to '83 and came in essentially two
models...narrow tracks and wide tracks. The wide tracks are easily
distinguished by the ~5" fender flares and were available in 2 doors only.
The narrow track have small (~1") fender flares and came in either 2 or 4
doors.
The Cherokee on the website pulling the Hummer suffered a catastrophic
accident last year. I have rebuilt another full size Cherokee and am ready
to show her off. I'll have to show you mine on the trail someday.
I have attached a picture of it with Len Sullivan's J10 P/U truck. I have
since added several accessories including lights. I should have pictures
available this weekend to post.
George Andrews
'83 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
'00 TJ
Avondale Arizona
----- Original Message -----
From: <g_rob_williams@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:53 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Cherokee Question
> I saw an old Cherokee that looked like an old Wagoneer, anyone know
> anything about these old Cherokees? I really like the way they look,
> does anyone out there have one? I'm not sure what year it was...
> guessing 70s?? Anyway lemme know if you have any info... thanks!! -Rob
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
30276 From: Scott Legge <scottlegge@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 11:01pm
Subject: Re: OHV Park
I was thinking the same thing about a wash near my house! (Indian bend)
Anyway it would be cool because people drive in there (illegally) anyways
and ALWAYS get stuck and ticketed in stock newer 4x4's the kids had for the
night whenever it rains. I even got flagged down once by a cop that wanted
me to pull one out. I didnt do it for a lack of recovery devices and stock
29" tires needless to say a tow truck (2wd dually) got BURRIED and it was
funny to see all the big blazers and soopr doodies trying to get them
unstuck. Quite an eventful sat morning :) They should open one up in town
except noise and pollution would have people freaking out much less the
LIABILITY!
Scott Legge
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
To: "AZ_VJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 5:20 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] OHV Park
>
> This is just an idea, and maybe a stupid one.
>
> As I was driving along the 202 east today, I was remembering being able to
> run through the river bottom. I noticed further that there are some stair
> steps in the river bottom just west of McClintock.
>
> Now I have never been in favor of OHV park but, if somebody was to put one
> in the river bottom it might be kind of neat. The dirt bikers and quads
> could use it, it if went for a distance. You wouldn't have to worry about
> big boulder (obstacles) being washed down the river when it runs. In
> addition, it would look more natural than a flat piece of reconstructed
> river bottom they have constructed.
> I don't think you would get much support for this in Tempe, but maybe Mesa
> (they may not have a part of the bed) or the planned reconstruct in
Phoenix.
>
> Well that's my idea. If you know anybody willing to take on such a project
> then please through this their way.
>
> --James
>
>
>
>
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>
>
30277 From: AzVJC Website <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 11:50pm
Subject: [TR] Gila Monster - Sunday, September 2, 2001
Hello All,
Dave O'Boyle is leading a Gila Monster trail run on Sunday, September 2, 2001.
When: 6am Circle K on Jackrabbit trail and I10.
Where:
Rating: 3.0+
Length: 3 to 4 hrs..
CB Channel: 4
Solid 3+ there are bypasses at the most difficult obsticles.
This trail is rated a 3+ with optional 4+ to 5's. There are several lines to take so anyone equipped to handle a 3+ can do this trail.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
30278 From: AzVJC Website <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2001 11:52pm
Subject: [TR] Gila Monster - Sunday, September 2, 2001 - Reminder
Hello All,
Dave O'Boyle is leading a Gila Monster trail run on Sunday, September 2, 2001.
When: Sunday Sept 2nd
6am Circle K on Jackrabbit trail and I10.
Where: Take I10 west to Jacrabbit trail and head south about 1/2 a mile.
Rating: 3.0+
Length: 3 to 4 hrs..
CB Channel: 4
Solid 3+ there are bypasses at the most difficult obsticles.
This trail is rated a 3+ with optional 4+ to 5's. There are several lines to take so anyone equipped to handle a 3+ can do this trail.
Sign Up List:
Dave O'Boyle Definite
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
30279 From: lynch <lynch@v...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 0:21am
Subject: Re: OHV Park
Hence the idea of running somewhere in the river corridor.. Sky
Harbor uses that as a traffic area (when they're not buzzing
Tempe and North Mesa with 747's! :) so noise is perhaps not as big
of a factor.
Liability is a definite concern, but I'd think if cities can run skate
parks where 12 year olds catch air on skateboards, an OHV park with lotsa
rocks and twisty stuff shouldn't be much different. Some sort of rules
regarding spotting and pedestrians not trafficking the vehicle areas
are probably necessary. Does anyone know what places like Cinder Hills
do? Are there liability release forms and such?
Being a resident for only a year, I don't know what flooding issues
exist for that area either.. and with our 'monsoon' storms in the summer,
such things would need to be carefully analyzed. An OHV park would go under
quickly if a bunch of newbies with stock vehicles got flooded out and
then sued or whatever.
-lynch
On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 11:01:28PM -0700, Scott Legge wrote:
> unstuck. Quite an eventful sat morning :) They should open one up in town
> except noise and pollution would have people freaking out much less the
> LIABILITY!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
> To: "AZ_VJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 5:20 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] OHV Park
>
>
> >
> > This is just an idea, and maybe a stupid one.
> >
> > As I was driving along the 202 east today, I was remembering being able to
> > run through the river bottom. I noticed further that there are some stair
> > steps in the river bottom just west of McClintock.
30280 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 1:07am
Subject: Re: recovery strap choice
While your at it, add a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit, and a
Hi-Lift jack. That should satisfy the "incrementalism" for a week or
so...
Chris M
87 YJ
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> For the SWB Jeeps, it seems that a 30'x2" strap is pretty popular.
I've
> used mine a number of times and it has always done the job.
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tom lafrance [mailto:tlafrance@j...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 10:15 AM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] recovery strap choice
>
>
> It's time to start adding equipment.........
>
> I see recovery straps in 20ft and 30 ft with widths of 2inch or
3inch.
> What's the most popular/useful strap to have for trail use?
>
> TIA,
>
> Tom
>
>
>
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30281 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 1:21am
Subject: Re: OHV Park/Cinder Hills
The Cinder Hills OHV area is more of a quad or dirt bike play area.
unless you have paddle tires and lotsa ponies, any of the fun hills
are impossible. There is no release form, warning label, or other
form of liability waiver to sign. Drive in, play, drive out. Pick
up your trash, watch out for cops on dirt bikes, and watch the bikes
catch some sick amounts of altitude. It is on county land however,
outside of Flagstaff city limits. Good luck getting Tempe or Mesa to
set aside land that could be developed and turning it into an OHV
park.
Chris M
87 YJ turd brown with another big-*** dent courtesy of my girlfriend,
a tree, and 4-wheeling by moonlight...
--- In az_vjc@y..., lynch <lynch@v...> wrote:
> Hence the idea of running somewhere in the river corridor.. Sky
> Harbor uses that as a traffic area (when they're not buzzing
> Tempe and North Mesa with 747's! :) so noise is perhaps not as big
> of a factor.
>
> Liability is a definite concern, but I'd think if cities can run
skate
> parks where 12 year olds catch air on skateboards, an OHV park with
lotsa
> rocks and twisty stuff shouldn't be much different. Some sort of
rules
> regarding spotting and pedestrians not trafficking the vehicle areas
> are probably necessary. Does anyone know what places like Cinder
Hills
> do? Are there liability release forms and such?
>
> Being a resident for only a year, I don't know what flooding issues
> exist for that area either.. and with our 'monsoon' storms in the
summer,
> such things would need to be carefully analyzed. An OHV park would
go under
> quickly if a bunch of newbies with stock vehicles got flooded out
and
> then sued or whatever.
>
> -lynch
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 11:01:28PM -0700, Scott Legge wrote:
> > unstuck. Quite an eventful sat morning :) They should open one up
in town
> > except noise and pollution would have people freaking out much
less the
> > LIABILITY!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
> > To: "AZ_VJC" <az_vjc@y...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 5:20 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> >
> >
> > >
> > > This is just an idea, and maybe a stupid one.
> > >
> > > As I was driving along the 202 east today, I was remembering
being able to
> > > run through the river bottom. I noticed further that there are
some stair
> > > steps in the river bottom just west of McClintock.
30282 From: Patrick Burau <pburau@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 6:52am
Subject: Re: 4.0 head on a 258
Daryl,
From what I read there is a water port difference and you have to plug a few
holes in the 4.0L head and use a 4.0L header or exhaust manifold, bolt on
other than that. I have a head to try it on mine.
Pat
'88 YJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daryl Faust" <louddog71@y...>
To: "AZ jeep club" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 6:48 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] 4.0 head on a 258
> I've seen on a couple of web sites that putting a 94
> or newer head from a 4.0 liter on a 258 adds ~40hp and
> best of all, it bolts right on with no fab work. The
> hp gain is due to increased air flow through the ports
> from a better design.
>
> Anyone do this with success? My head is due for a
> rebuild and I'm wondering if this is the way to go.
>
>
>
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30283 From: Eric Herring <herring@q...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 7:28am
Subject: RE: Cherokee Question
What about the Grand Wagoneer? They made those up until 92 or so.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: gandre01 [mailto:gandre01@m...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 9:20 PM
To: azvjc
Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] Cherokee Question
Full Size Cherokees were built from '74 to '83 and came in essentially two
models...narrow tracks and wide tracks. The wide tracks are easily
distinguished by the ~5" fender flares and were available in 2 doors only.
The narrow track have small (~1") fender flares and came in either 2 or 4
doors.
The Cherokee on the website pulling the Hummer suffered a catastrophic
accident last year. I have rebuilt another full size Cherokee and am ready
to show her off. I'll have to show you mine on the trail someday.
I have attached a picture of it with Len Sullivan's J10 P/U truck. I have
since added several accessories including lights. I should have pictures
available this weekend to post.
George Andrews
'83 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
'00 TJ
Avondale Arizona
----- Original Message -----
From: <g_rob_williams@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:53 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Cherokee Question
> I saw an old Cherokee that looked like an old Wagoneer, anyone know
> anything about these old Cherokees? I really like the way they look,
> does anyone out there have one? I'm not sure what year it was...
> guessing 70s?? Anyway lemme know if you have any info... thanks!! -Rob
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
30284 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 8:43am
Subject: RE: 4.0 head on a 258
I have read on the Strokers list that it only adds 10hp and that the
accessory bracket holes are not in the correct place for the 258 brackets.
Also you will need to use the 4.0L header. The 4.0L head just flows better
so why not fix you 258 head to flow better. That is what I did to mine. I
ported it, decked it .020" and did a 3 way valve grind. I would bet it ever
flows better then the 4.0L after the mods.
-----Original Message-----
From: Daryl Faust [mailto:louddog71@y...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 6:48 PM
To: AZ jeep club
Subject: [az_vjc] 4.0 head on a 258
I've seen on a couple of web sites that putting a 94
or newer head from a 4.0 liter on a 258 adds ~40hp and
best of all, it bolts right on with no fab work. The
hp gain is due to increased air flow through the ports
from a better design.
Anyone do this with success? My head is due for a
rebuild and I'm wondering if this is the way to go.
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30285 From: JEEP THANG <jeep_thang@h...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 8:53am
Subject: Re: Tucson Runs This Weekend?
I think that we are going out, Do not know which trail as of yet, but
you can bet it will either be Charouleau Gap or Reddington, Probably
Charouleau Gap (Catalina to Oracle). If you want to go let me know.
Sincerely: JEEP THANG
Larry Carmen and EMILY
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Brent Lizakowski" <brent_lizakowski@h...> wrote:
> Anyone in the Tucson area going wheeling sometime this weekend?
>
> Let me know. It's been a while since I've been out.
>
> Brent
30286 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 9:10am
Subject: RE: OHV Park
lynch,
As far as flooding, there is usually a warning before they release water
into the river bed. In the past, SRP has warned the water is coming down the
Salt River bed hours if not a day in advance. If it was to be built down
river from Tempe Town Lake there would be a double warning, one from SRP
about the initial release and another from Tempe saying they were going to
collapse the dam. Down river from Tempe Town Lake would be a better spot any
how. The noise wouldn't be a concern and that area (Phoenix part) is
supposed to be reconstructed soon.
The liability is definitely an issue but, I agree though, if the skate parks
are and lakes then why not this? There are quite a few deaths every year on
lakes because of ignorant boaters. I don't believe the state gets sued over
these.
There could be a check it booth on bank of the river bed. That way it
doesn't get washed down stream with the flooding. Also, a trailer parking
area could be on the bank. One way in and out so people would have to would
have to check in and there could be hours of operation.
--James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lynch [mailto:lynch@v...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 12:22 AM
> To: Scott Legge
> Cc: AZ_VJC; James Towle
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
>
>
> Hence the idea of running somewhere in the river corridor.. Sky
> Harbor uses that as a traffic area (when they're not buzzing
> Tempe and North Mesa with 747's! :) so noise is perhaps not as big
> of a factor.
>
> Liability is a definite concern, but I'd think if cities can run skate
> parks where 12 year olds catch air on skateboards, an OHV park with lotsa
> rocks and twisty stuff shouldn't be much different. Some sort of rules
> regarding spotting and pedestrians not trafficking the vehicle areas
> are probably necessary. Does anyone know what places like Cinder Hills
> do? Are there liability release forms and such?
>
> Being a resident for only a year, I don't know what flooding issues
> exist for that area either.. and with our 'monsoon' storms in the summer,
> such things would need to be carefully analyzed. An OHV park
> would go under
> quickly if a bunch of newbies with stock vehicles got flooded out and
> then sued or whatever.
>
> -lynch
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 11:01:28PM -0700, Scott Legge wrote:
> > unstuck. Quite an eventful sat morning :) They should open one
> up in town
> > except noise and pollution would have people freaking out much less the
> > LIABILITY!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
> > To: "AZ_VJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 5:20 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> >
> >
> > >
> > > This is just an idea, and maybe a stupid one.
> > >
> > > As I was driving along the 202 east today, I was remembering
> being able to
> > > run through the river bottom. I noticed further that there
> are some stair
> > > steps in the river bottom just west of McClintock.
30287 From: <azjeepnut@w...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 9:10am
Subject: Re: Re: Tucson Runs This Weekend?
What day?
--
Matt B.
94 YJ
93 XJ
http://azjeeps.offroadhq.net
Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
> I think that we are going out, Do not know which trail as of yet, but
> you can bet it will either be Charouleau Gap or Reddington, Probably
> Charouleau Gap (Catalina to Oracle). If you want to go let me know.
>
> Sincerely: JEEP THANG
> Larry Carmen and EMILY
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Brent Lizakowski" <brent_lizakowski@h...> wrote:
> > Anyone in the Tucson area going wheeling sometime this weekend?
> >
> > Let me know. It's been a while since I've been out.
> >
> > Brent
>
>
>
>
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>
>
30288 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 9:32am
Subject: [TR] Box Canyon - Saturday, September 1, 2001
Hello All,
Scott Thomas is leading a Box Canyon trail run on Saturday, September 1, 2001.
When: Meet at the Texaco in Florance at 8:00pm
Where: Meet at the Texaco in Florance and then head to the trail.
Rating: 3.0
Length: 3.5 -4.5 hours
CB Channel: 4
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
30289 From: DesertJeep <joey@j...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 9:35am
Subject: RE: OHV Park
James you have a good idea and I support it. But I don't think they (the
powers that be) would let us put boulders of significant size before the
Tempe Lake. I remember the river flowing in '91 or was it '92 and that
was quite the site. The park would be washed away in a hurry and
anything down stream of the boulders would be in jeopardy. If you look
in the river bottom now you will notice that there is nothing larger
than river rock in the bed.
Don't get me wrong I am for the park idea it's just I think the river
bottom is void of structures for a reason.
My .02 cents
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:10 AM
> To: AZ_VJC; lynch
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] OHV Park
>
>
> lynch,
>
> As far as flooding, there is usually a warning before they
> release water into the river bed. In the past, SRP has warned
> the water is coming down the Salt River bed hours if not a
> day in advance. If it was to be built down river from Tempe
> Town Lake there would be a double warning, one from SRP about
> the initial release and another from Tempe saying they were
> going to collapse the dam. Down river from Tempe Town Lake
> would be a better spot any how. The noise wouldn't be a
> concern and that area (Phoenix part) is supposed to be
> reconstructed soon. The liability is definitely an issue but,
> I agree though, if the skate parks are and lakes then why not
> this? There are quite a few deaths every year on lakes
> because of ignorant boaters. I don't believe the state gets
> sued over these. There could be a check it booth on bank of
> the river bed. That way it doesn't get washed down stream
> with the flooding. Also, a trailer parking area could be on
> the bank. One way in and out so people would have to would
> have to check in and there could be hours of operation.
>
> --James
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lynch [mailto:lynch@v...]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 12:22 AM
> > To: Scott Legge
> > Cc: AZ_VJC; James Towle
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> >
> >
> > Hence the idea of running somewhere in the river corridor..
> Sky Harbor
> > uses that as a traffic area (when they're not buzzing Tempe
> and North
> > Mesa with 747's! :) so noise is perhaps not as big of a factor.
> >
> > Liability is a definite concern, but I'd think if cities
> can run skate
> > parks where 12 year olds catch air on skateboards, an OHV park with
> > lotsa rocks and twisty stuff shouldn't be much different.
> Some sort of
> > rules regarding spotting and pedestrians not trafficking
> the vehicle
> > areas are probably necessary. Does anyone know what places
> like Cinder
> > Hills do? Are there liability release forms and such?
> >
> > Being a resident for only a year, I don't know what flooding issues
> > exist for that area either.. and with our 'monsoon' storms in the
> > summer, such things would need to be carefully analyzed.
> An OHV park
> > would go under quickly if a bunch of newbies with stock
> vehicles got
> > flooded out and then sued or whatever.
> >
> > -lynch
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 11:01:28PM -0700, Scott Legge wrote:
> > > unstuck. Quite an eventful sat morning :) They should open one
> > up in town
> > > except noise and pollution would have people freaking out
> much less
> > > the LIABILITY!
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
> > > To: "AZ_VJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 5:20 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] OHV Park
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > This is just an idea, and maybe a stupid one.
> > > >
> > > > As I was driving along the 202 east today, I was remembering
> > being able to
> > > > run through the river bottom. I noticed further that there
> > are some stair
> > > > steps in the river bottom just west of McClintock.
>
>
>
>
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30290 From: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 10:01am
Subject: New poll for az_vjc
Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
az_vjc group:
Should trail information on the AzVJC
website be for members only?
o No, Keep it as it is.
o Yes, Only members should be able to access trail information.
o Yes and No, It would be bennificial if SOME trails' info were for members only.
To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/polls
Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.
Thanks!
30291 From: <Mike@A...>
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2001 10:05am
Subject: Trail Information
Everyone,
Currently all trails listed on the AzVJC website are available to
both members and guests. The only info not listed for guests is "how
to get there."
After thinking and talking about this, perhaps it would be a better
idea to not have any trail info available for guests. Or perhaps
certain trails should not be listed except for members.
A new poll has been opened and will close Sep 6th. I will change or
not change the website in accordance with what everyone agrees upon
here.
- Mike