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30064 From: <garegb@a...>
Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 3:32pm
Subject: Please remove me from this list
Please remove me from this list, I cannot handle the volume. I think I need
a valume.
Greg B.
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30065 From: Patrick Green <pgreen@c...>
Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 7:53pm
Subject: Still trying
This is still only a test. Doc.
30066 From: DesertJeep <joey@j...>
Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 8:10pm
Subject: RE: Please remove me from this list
az_vjc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
But if you want you could click "My Groups" then "Edit My Groups" to change from "Individual Emails" to "Daily Digest". That will cut down on the number you receive.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
-----Original Message-----
From: garegb@aol.com [mailto:garegb@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 7:32 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Please remove me from this list
Please remove me from this list, I cannot handle the volume. I think I need
a valume.
Greg B.
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30067 From: <dt_horton@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 9:05pm
Subject: Re: To the radio Guru's
FYI,
Here is the link to the FCC page for GMRS info. It has the form
information for license application.
http://www.fcc.gov/wtb/prs/genmbl.html
I don't think this is anything like a ham operators license. No
testing just a fee and provide information.
Dan
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> The biggest advantage to GMRS is that the radio sevice is
authorized for
> repeater use. This means the range can be greatly extended
by relaying your
> signals through radio repeaters that are located on mountain
tops which then
> greatly increase your range.
>
> The bad parts about GMRS....you need a license and repeaters
are usually not
> free (ie., you need to pay $$ to support their operation). I
personally
> don't know of any Jeepers using GMRS in their vehicles....but
that doesn't
> mean they aren't.
>
> I have CB, FRS, and ham radio in my TJ. For those times
when these are not
> adequate, I bum a cell phone from a friend (assuming they
have coverage).
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick's Mail [mailto:ricknhall@h...]
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:48 AM
> To: AZVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] To the radio Guru's
>
>
> What is GMRS (General Mobile Radio Service) and how does it
differ from a
> CB?. I have an old FRS 2 channel and have been looking for a
newer model
> since a lot of people are starting to use them (I still prefer a CB
> but...when in Rome). I have seen a new radio that has 15
channels 7 of
> which are FRS with subcodes the remaining are GMRS. This
radio transmits up
> to 5 miles and requires a license???
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
30068 From: Kevin Fell <kwfell@y...>
Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 9:34pm
Subject: Overheating...is anyone knowledgable about cooling fans?
Hello all you Cooling Gurus:
I'm running a Grand with the 5.2L V8 that likes to heat up during extended idles. I'm considering one of three things:
1) Swap my stock cooling fan for a FlexFan (about $50)
...or...
2) Running an auxiliary 16" fan between my mechanical fan and the radiator (3" of space doesn't leave me much and around $75)
...or...
3) Completely remove the stock fan and clutch and run with a stock two-speed electric fan out of a '98 5.9L Grand Cherokee (about $200!!!) A sub-benefit would be that I would get a little more horsepower from the lesser load on the engine.
Does anyone have any insight into what would work best (read: most cost-effective increase in cooling) for me? It ONLY overheats on a hot day while idling or rock-crawling and usually only when the AC is on.
Thanks in advance.
Yours truly,
"Jeep in Heat"
(a.k.a. KevinF)
30069 From: Eric Herring <herring@q...>
Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 10:03pm
Subject: RE: Overheating...is anyone knowledgable about cooling fans?
The first thing I would do is check your existing fan clutch. If it's fine then a flex fan probably won't help much. Is there also a factory electric fan in it? If so I would check that.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Fell [mailto:kwfell@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:35 PM
To: AZVJC List
Subject: [az_vjc] Overheating...is anyone knowledgable about cooling fans?
Hello all you Cooling Gurus:
I'm running a Grand with the 5.2L V8 that likes to heat up during extended idles. I'm considering one of three things:
1) Swap my stock cooling fan for a FlexFan (about $50)
...or...
2) Running an auxiliary 16" fan between my mechanical fan and the radiator (3" of space doesn't leave me much and around $75)
...or...
3) Completely remove the stock fan and clutch and run with a stock two-speed electric fan out of a '98 5.9L Grand Cherokee (about $200!!!) A sub-benefit would be that I would get a little more horsepower from the lesser load on the engine.
Does anyone have any insight into what would work best (read: most cost-effective increase in cooling) for me? It ONLY overheats on a hot day while idling or rock-crawling and usually only when the AC is on.
Thanks in advance.
Yours truly,
"Jeep in Heat"
(a.k.a. KevinF)
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30070 From: Durham <bdurham@e...>
Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 10:14pm
Subject: RE: Re: To the radio Guru's
I believe everyone has missed the main benefit of GMRS vs. FRS which is
transmit power. GMRS can output up to 4 watts, while FRS is only 0.5 watt.
Everything else has been covered. Marine VHF is 25 watts.
If you are looking for heavy duty radio stuff go either GMRS which are
available in handhelds or marine VHF which is typically vehicle mount.
Interferance on marine channels out here should be pretty slim.
The reason CBs are so prevelant is they are dirt cheap. They sound like crap
and their range is horrible but they are cheap. Marine VHF is about
$250/install and the GMRS/FRS radios are coming down but are around $120
right now.
If you want some specific product data sheets let me know.
brian durham
durham communications
www.dcicomm.com
(I get paid to do this stuff)
I also rent space for ham repeaters on Mt. Ord on the way to Sunflower.
-----Original Message-----
From: dt_horton@h... [mailto:dt_horton@h...]
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:05 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: To the radio Guru's
FYI,
Here is the link to the FCC page for GMRS info. It has the form
information for license application.
http://www.fcc.gov/wtb/prs/genmbl.html
I don't think this is anything like a ham operators license. No
testing just a fee and provide information.
Dan
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> The biggest advantage to GMRS is that the radio sevice is
authorized for
> repeater use. This means the range can be greatly extended
by relaying your
> signals through radio repeaters that are located on mountain
tops which then
> greatly increase your range.
>
> The bad parts about GMRS....you need a license and repeaters
are usually not
> free (ie., you need to pay $$ to support their operation). I
personally
> don't know of any Jeepers using GMRS in their vehicles....but
that doesn't
> mean they aren't.
>
> I have CB, FRS, and ham radio in my TJ. For those times
when these are not
> adequate, I bum a cell phone from a friend (assuming they
have coverage).
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick's Mail [mailto:ricknhall@h...]
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:48 AM
> To: AZVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] To the radio Guru's
>
>
> What is GMRS (General Mobile Radio Service) and how does it
differ from a
> CB?. I have an old FRS 2 channel and have been looking for a
newer model
> since a lot of people are starting to use them (I still prefer a CB
> but...when in Rome). I have seen a new radio that has 15
channels 7 of
> which are FRS with subcodes the remaining are GMRS. This
radio transmits up
> to 5 miles and requires a license???
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
30071 From: Durham <bdurham@e...>
Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 10:26pm
Subject: RE: Re: To the radio Guru's
For those that remember, the FCC used to require licenses for all CB
operators. They have since decided that it was a lousy idea and scrapped it.
I believe they will do the same with the GMRS radios, it's just a matter of
time.
durham
-----Original Message-----
From: Durham [mailto:bdurham@e...]
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 10:15 PM
To: dt_horton@h...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: To the radio Guru's
I believe everyone has missed the main benefit of GMRS vs. FRS which is
transmit power. GMRS can output up to 4 watts, while FRS is only 0.5 watt.
Everything else has been covered. Marine VHF is 25 watts.
If you are looking for heavy duty radio stuff go either GMRS which are
available in handhelds or marine VHF which is typically vehicle mount.
Interferance on marine channels out here should be pretty slim.
The reason CBs are so prevelant is they are dirt cheap. They sound like crap
and their range is horrible but they are cheap. Marine VHF is about
$250/install and the GMRS/FRS radios are coming down but are around $120
right now.
If you want some specific product data sheets let me know.
brian durham
durham communications
www.dcicomm.com
(I get paid to do this stuff)
I also rent space for ham repeaters on Mt. Ord on the way to Sunflower.
-----Original Message-----
From: dt_horton@h... [mailto:dt_horton@h...]
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:05 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: To the radio Guru's
FYI,
Here is the link to the FCC page for GMRS info. It has the form
information for license application.
http://www.fcc.gov/wtb/prs/genmbl.html
I don't think this is anything like a ham operators license. No
testing just a fee and provide information.
Dan
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> The biggest advantage to GMRS is that the radio sevice is
authorized for
> repeater use. This means the range can be greatly extended
by relaying your
> signals through radio repeaters that are located on mountain
tops which then
> greatly increase your range.
>
> The bad parts about GMRS....you need a license and repeaters
are usually not
> free (ie., you need to pay $$ to support their operation). I
personally
> don't know of any Jeepers using GMRS in their vehicles....but
that doesn't
> mean they aren't.
>
> I have CB, FRS, and ham radio in my TJ. For those times
when these are not
> adequate, I bum a cell phone from a friend (assuming they
have coverage).
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick's Mail [mailto:ricknhall@h...]
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:48 AM
> To: AZVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] To the radio Guru's
>
>
> What is GMRS (General Mobile Radio Service) and how does it
differ from a
> CB?. I have an old FRS 2 channel and have been looking for a
newer model
> since a lot of people are starting to use them (I still prefer a CB
> but...when in Rome). I have seen a new radio that has 15
channels 7 of
> which are FRS with subcodes the remaining are GMRS. This
radio transmits up
> to 5 miles and requires a license???
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
30072 From: Jake Wagner <jakewagner@y...>
Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 10:32pm
Subject: CO Trip Dates
Hi All:
Dates for travel to Telluride/Ouray area:
Leave September 22nd and return the 29th or
Leave September 30th and return October 6th
Will be running class 2 to 3.5 trails. I've got a '00
TJ (Yellow Submarine) with 30x9.50 BFG AT KOs, Fuel
Tank Skid, New Red Rocker Panels, usual tow hooks,
tire chains (hopefully won't need them, but always
that possibility up north in the Rockies. Please
e-mail me directly if interested.
Thanks!
Jake
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30073 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 11:12pm
Subject: **LOSLOCOS4WD** New e-group, read on if you are politically incorrect
I started a new egroup called LOSLOCOS 4WD the other night.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LOSLOCOS4WD
I will always be on the AZVJC, but the group I started is meant for
those who drink beer, have a thick skin, can take a little **** from
someone in stride without getting butt-hurt, joke about your mom, 4-
wheel on hard trails, have a blatant disregard for evrything related
to and including the Sierra Club and its affiliates, and most
importantly, those who are slightly crazy. This will probably be a
big hit with some of you out there, and my flame-proof suit is ready
for the as of lately *****ing crowd.
Cheers,
Chris Mandrick
87 YJ turd brown
30074 From: Kevin Fell <kwfell@y...>
Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 11:36pm
Subject: RE: Overheating...is anyone knowledgable about cooling fans?
Thanks, Eric. The fan clutch is currently working just fine (I'm pretty sure anyway). No factory electric fan unfortunately...I think I probably wouldn't have this problem if it did :-(
=KevinF=
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 8/26/2001 at 10:03 PM Eric Herring wrote:
The first thing I would do is check your existing fan clutch. If it's fine then a flex fan probably won't help much. Is there also a factory electric fan in it? If so I would check that.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Fell [mailto:kwfell@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:35 PM
To: AZVJC List
Subject: [az_vjc] Overheating...is anyone knowledgable about cooling fans?
Hello all you Cooling Gurus:
I'm running a Grand with the 5.2L V8 that likes to heat up during extended idles. I'm considering one of three things:
1) Swap my stock cooling fan for a FlexFan (about $50)
...or...
2) Running an auxiliary 16" fan between my mechanical fan and the radiator (3" of space doesn't leave me much and around $75)
...or...
3) Completely remove the stock fan and clutch and run with a stock two-speed electric fan out of a '98 5.9L Grand Cherokee (about $200!!!) A sub-benefit would be that I would get a little more horsepower from the lesser load on the engine.
Does anyone have any insight into what would work best (read: most cost-effective increase in cooling) for me? It ONLY overheats on a hot day while idling or rock-crawling and usually only when the AC is on.
Thanks in advance.
Yours truly,
"Jeep in Heat"
(a.k.a. KevinF)
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
30075 From: Brent Lizakowski <brent_lizakowski@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 11:53pm
Subject: Re: Please remove me from this list
OR....
Unsubscribe and then just point your web browser here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/messages
Read the messages you want to read, skip the ones you don't want to
read. Then, you won't have to worry about clogging up your inbox with
a bunch of e-mails.
Brent
--- In az_vjc@y..., "DesertJeep" <joey@j...> wrote:
>
> az_vjc-unsubscribe@y...
>
> But if you want you could click "My Groups" then "Edit My Groups" to
> change from "Individual Emails" to "Daily Digest". That will cut
down on
> the number you receive.
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
> www.desertjeep.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: garegb@a... [mailto:garegb@a...]
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 7:32 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Please remove me from this list
>
>
> Please remove me from this list, I cannot handle the volume. I
think I
> need
> a valume.
> Greg B.
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
> <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
30076 From: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 0:52am
Subject: Poll results for az_vjc
The following az_vjc poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:
POLL QUESTION: Do others in a group run bother you
when they consume alcohol
CHOICES AND RESULTS
- YES I wont tolerate it, 10 votes, 33.33%
- Yea it kind of bothers me, 7 votes, 23.33%
- I just want to wheel and will tolerate it, 3 votes, 10.00%
- no., 7 votes, 23.33%
- WHERES THE EVERCLEAR!, 3 votes, 10.00%
For more information about this group, please visit
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30077 From: KHD1972 <KHD1972@m...>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 1:09am
Subject: Re: Overheating...is anyone knowledgable about cooling fans?
Hey Kevin,
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE odn't waste your money on a flex-fan! Did I say please? They actually will reduce the efficientcy of your cooling sustem at higher RPMs. It works on the principle of the blades flattening out at higher speeds, when the fan is not supposed to be necessary because the vehicle speed is enough to provide airflow. The problem with the theory is that when you reach higher RPMs, the fan blades flatten out, effectively giving you a flat, spinning, air damn that blocks air from your engine and pulls squat through your radiator! Imagine the negative side effects this would have on the trail where higher RPMs are frequent, with vehicle speed rather slow! Plus, it will overheat your engine in a heart beat climbing steep grades at highway speeds, especially if the Jeep is loaded down or pulling a trailer. These fans are a spiffy looking waste of money and will not solve your problem. The electric fans should solve your problem. The $75 extra electric fan in addition to the mechanical sounds like the way to go. This fan could be mounted on the outside of the radiator if you have more room there. Just position it to blow through the radiator, rather than suck(hehe, that always cracks me up).
I do have one question, though. How hot is "overheating?" Modern engines run pretty hot to begin with, with 200 to 210 an accepted "norm." Unless it's hitting 230 or higher, I wouldn't even worry about it. Especially if it cools down right away when you get moving again.
Just my .02! Your mileage may vary (missed seein that lately!)
Keirvan
95 YJ, Forest Green with a few stickers, aspiring to be as stickered as Joe's!
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Fell
To: AZVJC List
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:34 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Overheating...is anyone knowledgable about cooling fans?
Hello all you Cooling Gurus:
I'm running a Grand with the 5.2L V8 that likes to heat up during extended idles. I'm considering one of three things:
1) Swap my stock cooling fan for a FlexFan (about $50)
...or...
2) Running an auxiliary 16" fan between my mechanical fan and the radiator (3" of space doesn't leave me much and around $75)
...or...
3) Completely remove the stock fan and clutch and run with a stock two-speed electric fan out of a '98 5.9L Grand Cherokee (about $200!!!) A sub-benefit would be that I would get a little more horsepower from the lesser load on the engine.
Does anyone have any insight into what would work best (read: most cost-effective increase in cooling) for me? It ONLY overheats on a hot day while idling or rock-crawling and usually only when the AC is on.
Thanks in advance.
Yours truly,
"Jeep in Heat"
(a.k.a. KevinF)
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
30078 From: Jesus Chio - AllOffRoad <jchio@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 3:24am
Subject: Re: Poll results for az_vjc
See, you did the poll during the weekend, while I wasn't here so I couldn't
speak out ;) hahahaha
I guess the majority spoke ? (PLEASE DONT START AGAIN OK)
Jesus Chio
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----- Original Message -----
From: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 12:52 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Poll results for az_vjc
>
> The following az_vjc poll is now closed. Here are the
> final results:
>
>
> POLL QUESTION: Do others in a group run bother you
> when they consume alcohol
>
> CHOICES AND RESULTS
> - YES I wont tolerate it, 10 votes, 33.33%
> - Yea it kind of bothers me, 7 votes, 23.33%
> - I just want to wheel and will tolerate it, 3 votes, 10.00%
> - no., 7 votes, 23.33%
> - WHERES THE EVERCLEAR!, 3 votes, 10.00%
>
>
>
> For more information about this group, please visit
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc
>
> For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit
> http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
30079 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 6:36am
Subject: FSJ for sale
I've got a buddy with an '82 Grand Wagoneer for sale. Has a recently rebuilt
360 in it. Also has the TH400 auto. Has A/C, power windows, power doorlocks,
power everything. He's asking $3,000. Looks like it needs new brakes. The
engine was recently rebuilt. He is selling it because all it does is sit. His
wife drives it a few miles every once-in-a-while, but that is it. I'd buy it
myself for a tow rig for the Jeep if I had $3,000 sitting around! If anyone is
interested in taking a look or talking to him, shoot me a message off list and I
will send you a name and number.
--
----------------------------
Jay Eller (http://www.goodnet.com/~eller)
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
30080 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 7:11am
Subject: [FS] ------------WANTED---YJ SKID
Price:
Contact:
YJ Tcase skid needed
92 yj if you're curious.
thanks
beer
30081 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 7:45am
Subject: RE: Re: To the radio Guru's
There are a couple of other even more obvious benefits to GMRS when
comparing them against FRS service. Aside from the power levels, which for
a hand held radio is a big trade off between portability and battery size,
the GMRS radios are allowed to use an externally mounted antenna. This
means you can mount an antenna on your vehicle which will run circles,
performance wise, around the stubby little antenna that the FRS radios MUST
use. (ever notice that the FRS radios do NOT have a detachable
antenna?.....not legal per the FCC)
I was unaware of the fact that VHF marine band radios could be legally used
in a non-marine application. I had always assumed that they must be used in
conjuction with maritime traffic.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Durham [mailto:bdurham@e...]
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 10:15 PM
To: dt_horton@h...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: To the radio Guru's
I believe everyone has missed the main benefit of GMRS vs. FRS which is
transmit power. GMRS can output up to 4 watts, while FRS is only 0.5 watt.
Everything else has been covered. Marine VHF is 25 watts.
If you are looking for heavy duty radio stuff go either GMRS which are
available in handhelds or marine VHF which is typically vehicle mount.
Interferance on marine channels out here should be pretty slim.
The reason CBs are so prevelant is they are dirt cheap. They sound like crap
and their range is horrible but they are cheap. Marine VHF is about
$250/install and the GMRS/FRS radios are coming down but are around $120
right now.
If you want some specific product data sheets let me know.
brian durham
durham communications
www.dcicomm.com
(I get paid to do this stuff)
I also rent space for ham repeaters on Mt. Ord on the way to Sunflower.
-----Original Message-----
From: dt_horton@h... [mailto:dt_horton@h...]
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:05 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: To the radio Guru's
FYI,
Here is the link to the FCC page for GMRS info. It has the form
information for license application.
http://www.fcc.gov/wtb/prs/genmbl.html
I don't think this is anything like a ham operators license. No
testing just a fee and provide information.
Dan
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> The biggest advantage to GMRS is that the radio sevice is
authorized for
> repeater use. This means the range can be greatly extended
by relaying your
> signals through radio repeaters that are located on mountain
tops which then
> greatly increase your range.
>
> The bad parts about GMRS....you need a license and repeaters
are usually not
> free (ie., you need to pay $$ to support their operation). I
personally
> don't know of any Jeepers using GMRS in their vehicles....but
that doesn't
> mean they aren't.
>
> I have CB, FRS, and ham radio in my TJ. For those times
when these are not
> adequate, I bum a cell phone from a friend (assuming they
have coverage).
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick's Mail [mailto:ricknhall@h...]
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:48 AM
> To: AZVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] To the radio Guru's
>
>
> What is GMRS (General Mobile Radio Service) and how does it
differ from a
> CB?. I have an old FRS 2 channel and have been looking for a
newer model
> since a lot of people are starting to use them (I still prefer a CB
> but...when in Rome). I have seen a new radio that has 15
channels 7 of
> which are FRS with subcodes the remaining are GMRS. This
radio transmits up
> to 5 miles and requires a license???
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
30082 From: AzVJC Website <alhofer@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 7:54am
Subject: [FS] 2 air compressors for sale
Price: $150.00 and $200.00
Contact: Allan 480 969 7910
ARB model RDCKA, as new. Craftsman 6hp, 33 gal tank. SCFM @ 40 psi 15.0 at 90 psi 11.5
Allan Hofer
30083 From: AzVJC Website <alhofer@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 7:55am
Subject: [FS] NP 231 transfercase
Price:
Contact: Allan 480 969 7910
Allan Hofer
30084 From: AzVJC Website <alhofer@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 7:55am
Subject: [FS] NP 231 transfercase
Price:
Contact: Allan 480 969 7910
Allan Hofer
30085 From: AzVJC Website <alhofer@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 8:01am
Subject: [FS] NP 231 transfercase
Price: $350.
Contact: Allan 480 969 7910
NP231 from 1999 TJ automatic. never been offroad.
Allan Hofer
30086 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 8:06am
Subject: [FS] 31 10.50 15
Price: 275neg
Contact:
mastercraft at's
80% thread very good shape
beer
30087 From: AzVJC Website <alhofer@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 8:28am
Subject: [FS] T176 trans
Price: $250.
Contact: Allan 480 969 7910
T176 transmission from 1980 CJ. only 33000 miles
Allan Hofer
30088 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 8:47am
Subject: FW: Arizona Outdoorsman Website
Anyone interested in writing up some stories for this?
How about the Coves Clean Up?
Maybe the we could get invited on the Air to talk about the next Coves
Cleanup?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Glenn Willis [mailto:rwilli12@p...]
> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 1:52 PM
> To: AzVJC@A...
> Cc: Ken Coon; Gary McCraw
> Subject: New Virtual Jeep Club
>
> Very Nice Site. I own www.azod.com <http://www.azod.com>. We are
> starting to develop an Arizona offraod section. AZOD gets about 148,000
> hits a week and has a 14 member staff. We do regular shows with Outdoors
> Arizona 910 AM 7-9am on Saturday mornings. AZOD also hosts (for free) the
> Rocky Mt Elk Foundation and B.A.S.S. Federation sites for the state of
> Arizona along with 32 other clubs. Team AZOD members also work with
> Arizona Wilderness Productions on their hunting and fishing video's. I'm
> looking for clubs such as yours to list in our offroad section. We are
> also interested in any stories or pictures. If you want publicity in
> Arizona, AZOD is the place to be. AZOD's paperback edition is expected to
> be on the racks by this time next year.
>
> Thanks for reading the e-mail. Please contact me if you are interested in
> being involved with AZOD.
>
> Sincerely;
>
> Robert G Willis
> AZOD CEO
30064 From: <garegb@a...>
Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 3:32pm
Subject: Please remove me from this list
Please remove me from this list, I cannot handle the volume. I think I need
a valume.
Greg B.
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30065 From: Patrick Green <pgreen@c...>
Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 7:53pm
Subject: Still trying
This is still only a test. Doc.
30066 From: DesertJeep <joey@j...>
Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 8:10pm
Subject: RE: Please remove me from this list
az_vjc-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
But if you want you could click "My Groups" then "Edit My Groups" to change from "Individual Emails" to "Daily Digest". That will cut down on the number you receive.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
-----Original Message-----
From: garegb@aol.com [mailto:garegb@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 7:32 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Please remove me from this list
Please remove me from this list, I cannot handle the volume. I think I need
a valume.
Greg B.
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30067 From: <dt_horton@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 9:05pm
Subject: Re: To the radio Guru's
FYI,
Here is the link to the FCC page for GMRS info. It has the form
information for license application.
http://www.fcc.gov/wtb/prs/genmbl.html
I don't think this is anything like a ham operators license. No
testing just a fee and provide information.
Dan
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> The biggest advantage to GMRS is that the radio sevice is
authorized for
> repeater use. This means the range can be greatly extended
by relaying your
> signals through radio repeaters that are located on mountain
tops which then
> greatly increase your range.
>
> The bad parts about GMRS....you need a license and repeaters
are usually not
> free (ie., you need to pay $$ to support their operation). I
personally
> don't know of any Jeepers using GMRS in their vehicles....but
that doesn't
> mean they aren't.
>
> I have CB, FRS, and ham radio in my TJ. For those times
when these are not
> adequate, I bum a cell phone from a friend (assuming they
have coverage).
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick's Mail [mailto:ricknhall@h...]
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:48 AM
> To: AZVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] To the radio Guru's
>
>
> What is GMRS (General Mobile Radio Service) and how does it
differ from a
> CB?. I have an old FRS 2 channel and have been looking for a
newer model
> since a lot of people are starting to use them (I still prefer a CB
> but...when in Rome). I have seen a new radio that has 15
channels 7 of
> which are FRS with subcodes the remaining are GMRS. This
radio transmits up
> to 5 miles and requires a license???
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
30068 From: Kevin Fell <kwfell@y...>
Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 9:34pm
Subject: Overheating...is anyone knowledgable about cooling fans?
Hello all you Cooling Gurus:
I'm running a Grand with the 5.2L V8 that likes to heat up during extended idles. I'm considering one of three things:
1) Swap my stock cooling fan for a FlexFan (about $50)
...or...
2) Running an auxiliary 16" fan between my mechanical fan and the radiator (3" of space doesn't leave me much and around $75)
...or...
3) Completely remove the stock fan and clutch and run with a stock two-speed electric fan out of a '98 5.9L Grand Cherokee (about $200!!!) A sub-benefit would be that I would get a little more horsepower from the lesser load on the engine.
Does anyone have any insight into what would work best (read: most cost-effective increase in cooling) for me? It ONLY overheats on a hot day while idling or rock-crawling and usually only when the AC is on.
Thanks in advance.
Yours truly,
"Jeep in Heat"
(a.k.a. KevinF)
30069 From: Eric Herring <herring@q...>
Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 10:03pm
Subject: RE: Overheating...is anyone knowledgable about cooling fans?
The first thing I would do is check your existing fan clutch. If it's fine then a flex fan probably won't help much. Is there also a factory electric fan in it? If so I would check that.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Fell [mailto:kwfell@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:35 PM
To: AZVJC List
Subject: [az_vjc] Overheating...is anyone knowledgable about cooling fans?
Hello all you Cooling Gurus:
I'm running a Grand with the 5.2L V8 that likes to heat up during extended idles. I'm considering one of three things:
1) Swap my stock cooling fan for a FlexFan (about $50)
...or...
2) Running an auxiliary 16" fan between my mechanical fan and the radiator (3" of space doesn't leave me much and around $75)
...or...
3) Completely remove the stock fan and clutch and run with a stock two-speed electric fan out of a '98 5.9L Grand Cherokee (about $200!!!) A sub-benefit would be that I would get a little more horsepower from the lesser load on the engine.
Does anyone have any insight into what would work best (read: most cost-effective increase in cooling) for me? It ONLY overheats on a hot day while idling or rock-crawling and usually only when the AC is on.
Thanks in advance.
Yours truly,
"Jeep in Heat"
(a.k.a. KevinF)
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30070 From: Durham <bdurham@e...>
Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 10:14pm
Subject: RE: Re: To the radio Guru's
I believe everyone has missed the main benefit of GMRS vs. FRS which is
transmit power. GMRS can output up to 4 watts, while FRS is only 0.5 watt.
Everything else has been covered. Marine VHF is 25 watts.
If you are looking for heavy duty radio stuff go either GMRS which are
available in handhelds or marine VHF which is typically vehicle mount.
Interferance on marine channels out here should be pretty slim.
The reason CBs are so prevelant is they are dirt cheap. They sound like crap
and their range is horrible but they are cheap. Marine VHF is about
$250/install and the GMRS/FRS radios are coming down but are around $120
right now.
If you want some specific product data sheets let me know.
brian durham
durham communications
www.dcicomm.com
(I get paid to do this stuff)
I also rent space for ham repeaters on Mt. Ord on the way to Sunflower.
-----Original Message-----
From: dt_horton@h... [mailto:dt_horton@h...]
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:05 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: To the radio Guru's
FYI,
Here is the link to the FCC page for GMRS info. It has the form
information for license application.
http://www.fcc.gov/wtb/prs/genmbl.html
I don't think this is anything like a ham operators license. No
testing just a fee and provide information.
Dan
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> The biggest advantage to GMRS is that the radio sevice is
authorized for
> repeater use. This means the range can be greatly extended
by relaying your
> signals through radio repeaters that are located on mountain
tops which then
> greatly increase your range.
>
> The bad parts about GMRS....you need a license and repeaters
are usually not
> free (ie., you need to pay $$ to support their operation). I
personally
> don't know of any Jeepers using GMRS in their vehicles....but
that doesn't
> mean they aren't.
>
> I have CB, FRS, and ham radio in my TJ. For those times
when these are not
> adequate, I bum a cell phone from a friend (assuming they
have coverage).
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick's Mail [mailto:ricknhall@h...]
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:48 AM
> To: AZVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] To the radio Guru's
>
>
> What is GMRS (General Mobile Radio Service) and how does it
differ from a
> CB?. I have an old FRS 2 channel and have been looking for a
newer model
> since a lot of people are starting to use them (I still prefer a CB
> but...when in Rome). I have seen a new radio that has 15
channels 7 of
> which are FRS with subcodes the remaining are GMRS. This
radio transmits up
> to 5 miles and requires a license???
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
30071 From: Durham <bdurham@e...>
Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 10:26pm
Subject: RE: Re: To the radio Guru's
For those that remember, the FCC used to require licenses for all CB
operators. They have since decided that it was a lousy idea and scrapped it.
I believe they will do the same with the GMRS radios, it's just a matter of
time.
durham
-----Original Message-----
From: Durham [mailto:bdurham@e...]
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 10:15 PM
To: dt_horton@h...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: To the radio Guru's
I believe everyone has missed the main benefit of GMRS vs. FRS which is
transmit power. GMRS can output up to 4 watts, while FRS is only 0.5 watt.
Everything else has been covered. Marine VHF is 25 watts.
If you are looking for heavy duty radio stuff go either GMRS which are
available in handhelds or marine VHF which is typically vehicle mount.
Interferance on marine channels out here should be pretty slim.
The reason CBs are so prevelant is they are dirt cheap. They sound like crap
and their range is horrible but they are cheap. Marine VHF is about
$250/install and the GMRS/FRS radios are coming down but are around $120
right now.
If you want some specific product data sheets let me know.
brian durham
durham communications
www.dcicomm.com
(I get paid to do this stuff)
I also rent space for ham repeaters on Mt. Ord on the way to Sunflower.
-----Original Message-----
From: dt_horton@h... [mailto:dt_horton@h...]
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:05 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: To the radio Guru's
FYI,
Here is the link to the FCC page for GMRS info. It has the form
information for license application.
http://www.fcc.gov/wtb/prs/genmbl.html
I don't think this is anything like a ham operators license. No
testing just a fee and provide information.
Dan
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> The biggest advantage to GMRS is that the radio sevice is
authorized for
> repeater use. This means the range can be greatly extended
by relaying your
> signals through radio repeaters that are located on mountain
tops which then
> greatly increase your range.
>
> The bad parts about GMRS....you need a license and repeaters
are usually not
> free (ie., you need to pay $$ to support their operation). I
personally
> don't know of any Jeepers using GMRS in their vehicles....but
that doesn't
> mean they aren't.
>
> I have CB, FRS, and ham radio in my TJ. For those times
when these are not
> adequate, I bum a cell phone from a friend (assuming they
have coverage).
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick's Mail [mailto:ricknhall@h...]
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:48 AM
> To: AZVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] To the radio Guru's
>
>
> What is GMRS (General Mobile Radio Service) and how does it
differ from a
> CB?. I have an old FRS 2 channel and have been looking for a
newer model
> since a lot of people are starting to use them (I still prefer a CB
> but...when in Rome). I have seen a new radio that has 15
channels 7 of
> which are FRS with subcodes the remaining are GMRS. This
radio transmits up
> to 5 miles and requires a license???
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
30072 From: Jake Wagner <jakewagner@y...>
Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 10:32pm
Subject: CO Trip Dates
Hi All:
Dates for travel to Telluride/Ouray area:
Leave September 22nd and return the 29th or
Leave September 30th and return October 6th
Will be running class 2 to 3.5 trails. I've got a '00
TJ (Yellow Submarine) with 30x9.50 BFG AT KOs, Fuel
Tank Skid, New Red Rocker Panels, usual tow hooks,
tire chains (hopefully won't need them, but always
that possibility up north in the Rockies. Please
e-mail me directly if interested.
Thanks!
Jake
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30073 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 11:12pm
Subject: **LOSLOCOS4WD** New e-group, read on if you are politically incorrect
I started a new egroup called LOSLOCOS 4WD the other night.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LOSLOCOS4WD
I will always be on the AZVJC, but the group I started is meant for
those who drink beer, have a thick skin, can take a little **** from
someone in stride without getting butt-hurt, joke about your mom, 4-
wheel on hard trails, have a blatant disregard for evrything related
to and including the Sierra Club and its affiliates, and most
importantly, those who are slightly crazy. This will probably be a
big hit with some of you out there, and my flame-proof suit is ready
for the as of lately *****ing crowd.
Cheers,
Chris Mandrick
87 YJ turd brown
30074 From: Kevin Fell <kwfell@y...>
Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 11:36pm
Subject: RE: Overheating...is anyone knowledgable about cooling fans?
Thanks, Eric. The fan clutch is currently working just fine (I'm pretty sure anyway). No factory electric fan unfortunately...I think I probably wouldn't have this problem if it did :-(
=KevinF=
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 8/26/2001 at 10:03 PM Eric Herring wrote:
The first thing I would do is check your existing fan clutch. If it's fine then a flex fan probably won't help much. Is there also a factory electric fan in it? If so I would check that.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Fell [mailto:kwfell@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:35 PM
To: AZVJC List
Subject: [az_vjc] Overheating...is anyone knowledgable about cooling fans?
Hello all you Cooling Gurus:
I'm running a Grand with the 5.2L V8 that likes to heat up during extended idles. I'm considering one of three things:
1) Swap my stock cooling fan for a FlexFan (about $50)
...or...
2) Running an auxiliary 16" fan between my mechanical fan and the radiator (3" of space doesn't leave me much and around $75)
...or...
3) Completely remove the stock fan and clutch and run with a stock two-speed electric fan out of a '98 5.9L Grand Cherokee (about $200!!!) A sub-benefit would be that I would get a little more horsepower from the lesser load on the engine.
Does anyone have any insight into what would work best (read: most cost-effective increase in cooling) for me? It ONLY overheats on a hot day while idling or rock-crawling and usually only when the AC is on.
Thanks in advance.
Yours truly,
"Jeep in Heat"
(a.k.a. KevinF)
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30075 From: Brent Lizakowski <brent_lizakowski@h...>
Date: Sun Aug 26, 2001 11:53pm
Subject: Re: Please remove me from this list
OR....
Unsubscribe and then just point your web browser here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/messages
Read the messages you want to read, skip the ones you don't want to
read. Then, you won't have to worry about clogging up your inbox with
a bunch of e-mails.
Brent
--- In az_vjc@y..., "DesertJeep" <joey@j...> wrote:
>
> az_vjc-unsubscribe@y...
>
> But if you want you could click "My Groups" then "Edit My Groups" to
> change from "Individual Emails" to "Daily Digest". That will cut
down on
> the number you receive.
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
> www.desertjeep.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: garegb@a... [mailto:garegb@a...]
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 7:32 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Please remove me from this list
>
>
> Please remove me from this list, I cannot handle the volume. I
think I
> need
> a valume.
> Greg B.
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
> <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
30076 From: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 0:52am
Subject: Poll results for az_vjc
The following az_vjc poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:
POLL QUESTION: Do others in a group run bother you
when they consume alcohol
CHOICES AND RESULTS
- YES I wont tolerate it, 10 votes, 33.33%
- Yea it kind of bothers me, 7 votes, 23.33%
- I just want to wheel and will tolerate it, 3 votes, 10.00%
- no., 7 votes, 23.33%
- WHERES THE EVERCLEAR!, 3 votes, 10.00%
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30077 From: KHD1972 <KHD1972@m...>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 1:09am
Subject: Re: Overheating...is anyone knowledgable about cooling fans?
Hey Kevin,
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE odn't waste your money on a flex-fan! Did I say please? They actually will reduce the efficientcy of your cooling sustem at higher RPMs. It works on the principle of the blades flattening out at higher speeds, when the fan is not supposed to be necessary because the vehicle speed is enough to provide airflow. The problem with the theory is that when you reach higher RPMs, the fan blades flatten out, effectively giving you a flat, spinning, air damn that blocks air from your engine and pulls squat through your radiator! Imagine the negative side effects this would have on the trail where higher RPMs are frequent, with vehicle speed rather slow! Plus, it will overheat your engine in a heart beat climbing steep grades at highway speeds, especially if the Jeep is loaded down or pulling a trailer. These fans are a spiffy looking waste of money and will not solve your problem. The electric fans should solve your problem. The $75 extra electric fan in addition to the mechanical sounds like the way to go. This fan could be mounted on the outside of the radiator if you have more room there. Just position it to blow through the radiator, rather than suck(hehe, that always cracks me up).
I do have one question, though. How hot is "overheating?" Modern engines run pretty hot to begin with, with 200 to 210 an accepted "norm." Unless it's hitting 230 or higher, I wouldn't even worry about it. Especially if it cools down right away when you get moving again.
Just my .02! Your mileage may vary (missed seein that lately!)
Keirvan
95 YJ, Forest Green with a few stickers, aspiring to be as stickered as Joe's!
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Fell
To: AZVJC List
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:34 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Overheating...is anyone knowledgable about cooling fans?
Hello all you Cooling Gurus:
I'm running a Grand with the 5.2L V8 that likes to heat up during extended idles. I'm considering one of three things:
1) Swap my stock cooling fan for a FlexFan (about $50)
...or...
2) Running an auxiliary 16" fan between my mechanical fan and the radiator (3" of space doesn't leave me much and around $75)
...or...
3) Completely remove the stock fan and clutch and run with a stock two-speed electric fan out of a '98 5.9L Grand Cherokee (about $200!!!) A sub-benefit would be that I would get a little more horsepower from the lesser load on the engine.
Does anyone have any insight into what would work best (read: most cost-effective increase in cooling) for me? It ONLY overheats on a hot day while idling or rock-crawling and usually only when the AC is on.
Thanks in advance.
Yours truly,
"Jeep in Heat"
(a.k.a. KevinF)
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30078 From: Jesus Chio - AllOffRoad <jchio@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 3:24am
Subject: Re: Poll results for az_vjc
See, you did the poll during the weekend, while I wasn't here so I couldn't
speak out ;) hahahaha
I guess the majority spoke ? (PLEASE DONT START AGAIN OK)
Jesus Chio
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Vice-President : www.OffRoadImage.com: www.Jeepeando.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 12:52 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Poll results for az_vjc
>
> The following az_vjc poll is now closed. Here are the
> final results:
>
>
> POLL QUESTION: Do others in a group run bother you
> when they consume alcohol
>
> CHOICES AND RESULTS
> - YES I wont tolerate it, 10 votes, 33.33%
> - Yea it kind of bothers me, 7 votes, 23.33%
> - I just want to wheel and will tolerate it, 3 votes, 10.00%
> - no., 7 votes, 23.33%
> - WHERES THE EVERCLEAR!, 3 votes, 10.00%
>
>
>
> For more information about this group, please visit
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc
>
> For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit
> http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
30079 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 6:36am
Subject: FSJ for sale
I've got a buddy with an '82 Grand Wagoneer for sale. Has a recently rebuilt
360 in it. Also has the TH400 auto. Has A/C, power windows, power doorlocks,
power everything. He's asking $3,000. Looks like it needs new brakes. The
engine was recently rebuilt. He is selling it because all it does is sit. His
wife drives it a few miles every once-in-a-while, but that is it. I'd buy it
myself for a tow rig for the Jeep if I had $3,000 sitting around! If anyone is
interested in taking a look or talking to him, shoot me a message off list and I
will send you a name and number.
--
----------------------------
Jay Eller (http://www.goodnet.com/~eller)
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
30080 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 7:11am
Subject: [FS] ------------WANTED---YJ SKID
Price:
Contact:
YJ Tcase skid needed
92 yj if you're curious.
thanks
beer
30081 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 7:45am
Subject: RE: Re: To the radio Guru's
There are a couple of other even more obvious benefits to GMRS when
comparing them against FRS service. Aside from the power levels, which for
a hand held radio is a big trade off between portability and battery size,
the GMRS radios are allowed to use an externally mounted antenna. This
means you can mount an antenna on your vehicle which will run circles,
performance wise, around the stubby little antenna that the FRS radios MUST
use. (ever notice that the FRS radios do NOT have a detachable
antenna?.....not legal per the FCC)
I was unaware of the fact that VHF marine band radios could be legally used
in a non-marine application. I had always assumed that they must be used in
conjuction with maritime traffic.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Durham [mailto:bdurham@e...]
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 10:15 PM
To: dt_horton@h...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: To the radio Guru's
I believe everyone has missed the main benefit of GMRS vs. FRS which is
transmit power. GMRS can output up to 4 watts, while FRS is only 0.5 watt.
Everything else has been covered. Marine VHF is 25 watts.
If you are looking for heavy duty radio stuff go either GMRS which are
available in handhelds or marine VHF which is typically vehicle mount.
Interferance on marine channels out here should be pretty slim.
The reason CBs are so prevelant is they are dirt cheap. They sound like crap
and their range is horrible but they are cheap. Marine VHF is about
$250/install and the GMRS/FRS radios are coming down but are around $120
right now.
If you want some specific product data sheets let me know.
brian durham
durham communications
www.dcicomm.com
(I get paid to do this stuff)
I also rent space for ham repeaters on Mt. Ord on the way to Sunflower.
-----Original Message-----
From: dt_horton@h... [mailto:dt_horton@h...]
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:05 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: To the radio Guru's
FYI,
Here is the link to the FCC page for GMRS info. It has the form
information for license application.
http://www.fcc.gov/wtb/prs/genmbl.html
I don't think this is anything like a ham operators license. No
testing just a fee and provide information.
Dan
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> The biggest advantage to GMRS is that the radio sevice is
authorized for
> repeater use. This means the range can be greatly extended
by relaying your
> signals through radio repeaters that are located on mountain
tops which then
> greatly increase your range.
>
> The bad parts about GMRS....you need a license and repeaters
are usually not
> free (ie., you need to pay $$ to support their operation). I
personally
> don't know of any Jeepers using GMRS in their vehicles....but
that doesn't
> mean they aren't.
>
> I have CB, FRS, and ham radio in my TJ. For those times
when these are not
> adequate, I bum a cell phone from a friend (assuming they
have coverage).
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick's Mail [mailto:ricknhall@h...]
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:48 AM
> To: AZVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] To the radio Guru's
>
>
> What is GMRS (General Mobile Radio Service) and how does it
differ from a
> CB?. I have an old FRS 2 channel and have been looking for a
newer model
> since a lot of people are starting to use them (I still prefer a CB
> but...when in Rome). I have seen a new radio that has 15
channels 7 of
> which are FRS with subcodes the remaining are GMRS. This
radio transmits up
> to 5 miles and requires a license???
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
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30082 From: AzVJC Website <alhofer@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 7:54am
Subject: [FS] 2 air compressors for sale
Price: $150.00 and $200.00
Contact: Allan 480 969 7910
ARB model RDCKA, as new. Craftsman 6hp, 33 gal tank. SCFM @ 40 psi 15.0 at 90 psi 11.5
Allan Hofer
30083 From: AzVJC Website <alhofer@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 7:55am
Subject: [FS] NP 231 transfercase
Price:
Contact: Allan 480 969 7910
Allan Hofer
30084 From: AzVJC Website <alhofer@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 7:55am
Subject: [FS] NP 231 transfercase
Price:
Contact: Allan 480 969 7910
Allan Hofer
30085 From: AzVJC Website <alhofer@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 8:01am
Subject: [FS] NP 231 transfercase
Price: $350.
Contact: Allan 480 969 7910
NP231 from 1999 TJ automatic. never been offroad.
Allan Hofer
30086 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 8:06am
Subject: [FS] 31 10.50 15
Price: 275neg
Contact:
mastercraft at's
80% thread very good shape
beer
30087 From: AzVJC Website <alhofer@h...>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 8:28am
Subject: [FS] T176 trans
Price: $250.
Contact: Allan 480 969 7910
T176 transmission from 1980 CJ. only 33000 miles
Allan Hofer
30088 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Mon Aug 27, 2001 8:47am
Subject: FW: Arizona Outdoorsman Website
Anyone interested in writing up some stories for this?
How about the Coves Clean Up?
Maybe the we could get invited on the Air to talk about the next Coves
Cleanup?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Glenn Willis [mailto:rwilli12@p...]
> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 1:52 PM
> To: AzVJC@A...
> Cc: Ken Coon; Gary McCraw
> Subject: New Virtual Jeep Club
>
> Very Nice Site. I own www.azod.com <http://www.azod.com>. We are
> starting to develop an Arizona offraod section. AZOD gets about 148,000
> hits a week and has a 14 member staff. We do regular shows with Outdoors
> Arizona 910 AM 7-9am on Saturday mornings. AZOD also hosts (for free) the
> Rocky Mt Elk Foundation and B.A.S.S. Federation sites for the state of
> Arizona along with 32 other clubs. Team AZOD members also work with
> Arizona Wilderness Productions on their hunting and fishing video's. I'm
> looking for clubs such as yours to list in our offroad section. We are
> also interested in any stories or pictures. If you want publicity in
> Arizona, AZOD is the place to be. AZOD's paperback edition is expected to
> be on the racks by this time next year.
>
> Thanks for reading the e-mail. Please contact me if you are interested in
> being involved with AZOD.
>
> Sincerely;
>
> Robert G Willis
> AZOD CEO