Add my Cobra to the list...

[JamesT]

Yesterday while at work with my Cobra parked in full view of our security guards and the off duty Phoenix police officer, my Cobra was hit by a person that spoke no English, had no driver's license and had no insurance. Even though my car was parked on a public street, the person tried to take off and all the other circumstances with the new laws, the police officer gave her 3-4 citations and let her drive off. Aren't they sweet?

The Phoenix PD is a flipping joke. We have laws and consequences, they choose not to enforce any of these or choose to enforce them when it is convenient.

Now I have to make a claim on my insurance, hope the deductible will be waived, hope the person gave her correct information, get my car repaired, get a rental, hope that my car is repaired correctly (with no bondo) and she gets .... .

For all of you that think we are being to hard on these people, think about this: If I was in Rocky Pointe and got into an accident with no license and insurance, you know where they would take me? To jail. No if's, and's or but's about it. I have seen it happen.
So we are the bad guys, right? B f'n S.

Oh yeah, and my work was kind enough to provide a translator for the 1.5 hours it took to get all the paper work done. You think the Mexicans would have done this in Rocky Pointe? Not on your life.

Next year when your insurance rates go up, please send a nice thank you letter to the Phoenix PD and to President Fox. I know I will.

[ThumpAZ]

Damn, dude. I know the feeling... honestly. I was in a similar accident about 8 years ago that was different only by the fact that I was driving when someone turned left across me. Witnesses stated that he had been "hot-dogging it" down the road by speeding, passing in the suicide lane, etc.
Took several cops to hold me down when I found out about the no ins issue. And all his info was fake. Especially after seeing my wife injured, and my car totalled (was my wife's 21st b-day present! Apple Green Mitsu Eclipse GSX)
No Engrisch
No License
No insurance
Expired tags
Tags not belonging to vehicle
Vehicle not his
Gave false info (addy was a vacant lot in an industrial area)

I feel your pain, man

[twstdtj]

Man that sucks.

[My1stJeep]

James,

Sorry about your car, that blows. I totally agree!!!!

Several years ago while turning left a guy tried to ride his bike between the car that had turned left in front of me and us. We were on the green arrow. He hit the front of my wife's Stratus, went across the hood and the bike went flying.

He tried to leave, :mad: I would not let him until the cops got there. A Phoenix PD was at the intersection, watched it happen. Stopped to see if everyone was ok and he tried to leave :mad: :mad: (had a prisoner in the back). I said no one was leaving until I had something in writing for my insurance company.

Guy spoke no english, but did understand NO when I told he was not leaving. Cop wrote up the information (all bogus). Insurance fixed it, but I had to pay the deductible to get it fixed. :mad:

I sure wish I could find a country where I could go cause damage and harm to others, let them pay for it and feel no consequences. :confused: Wait I already live here, just can't do that cause I am here legally... :eek:

[mingoglia]

I know I've told this story many times but I was car jacked by gun point in Scottsdale by 3 illegals. The 2 they caught (I'm assuming the third was illegal) ultimately ended up being deported. I know, I was at court for all the court dates.

[boonduff]

In 2001 my dad spends $50,000 on a fully loaded F350 SD Dually on a Friday night. The next day while we take her for a spin a illegal in a Chevy pickup rearends us. His truck is jammed under the rearend if the F350. We climb out of the F350 The illegal throws his pickup into reverse and floors it. His pickup is hung up on our bumper so it just sits there with smoke rolling. I climb through the window get him in a headlock and shutoff the motor as the police show up. I get a ticket for assault. HOORAY FOR AMERICAN JUSTICE!!!!

[Kyron]

To bad some people cant be "put down"

[shack]

Hey guys, Not trying to hijack your thread, but I do have something to add....Police Officers in this state are as frustrated as you are! We would love to enforce state law but are prohibited from doing so by our leaders, and I do mean the chiefs, city council, mayors and also the governor. Until our government decides to start prosecuting the illegals, which by the way are the root cause of the majority of all our crime, we cannot hold them accountable. If you knew the true extent of the problems that we encounter on a daily basis, you would have nothing but contempt for our leadership as I do! Our government is giving away our childrens future and security for the sole purpose of providing big business with cheap labor!! There, now I'm off my soapbox!

[Wildcat455]

I don't have a story to tell. :(

Yet.

My time is coming, I'm sure.

Sorry to hear about all your unfortunate circumstances, especially yours, James... Since you started this thread.

[JamesT]

Hey guys, Not trying to hijack your thread, but I do have something to add....Police Officers in this state are as frustrated as you are! We would love to enforce state law but are prohibited from doing so by our leaders, and I do mean the chiefs, city council, mayors and also the governor. Until our government decides to start prosecuting the illegals, which by the way are the root cause of the majority of all our crime, we cannot hold them accountable. If you knew the true extent of the problems that we encounter on a daily basis, you would have nothing but contempt for our leadership as I do! Our government is giving away our childrens future and security for the sole purpose of providing big business with cheap labor!! There, now I'm off my soapbox!

Off your "soapbox"? You have got to be kidding me, right?
Write the tickets for the ARS, book the people into jail, tow their vehicles or whatever the case. What are they, your supervisors, going to do? Fire you? That is what the union is for, that is what the federal whistle blowers law is for, to protect you. Selective prosecution of the laws is illegal and immoral. They can't fire you. What the 'F' do you pay union dues for? You want me to feel sorry for you and your colleges? Not a chance in Hell.
You haven't even begun to get on the "soapbox" yet, Hell you haven't even got close to it. Stop being so whimpy and step up, "you've got to stand for something, or you fall for anything".
Where sir do you draw the line? You were 'sworn in' to uphold the laws of this state, you are not doing that, you are not doing your job. The job, we citizens, pay you for.


Just for clairification: I never said this woman that hit me was illegal, although she probably was JMO. I did say she didn't have a valid driver's license, she didn't have insurance and she didn't speak english.

[JamesT]

Sorry to hear about all your unfortunate circumstances, especially yours, James... Since you started this thread.


Thanks Bill.

I found out I have to come up with my deductible, $200, then the insurance company goes after the woman (if they can find her). If they collect the money, they will give me back my deductible. Luckily, when I got my insurance on my car I opted to get rental car coverage, so I won't have to pay for that, up to $40/day. I can't wait to see that rental car.

[JamesT]

.... I get a ticket for assault. HOORAY FOR AMERICAN JUSTICE!!!!


Go to court and fight it (you won't even need a lawyer).
This means the person that you had an altercation with will have to show up to court. You have the right to face your accuser(s) in a court of law. You know what the chances of that are? They are probably moved already, can't read english court documents, are affraid of the government and/or won't take the time, whatever the case, my money would be on you getting the charges dropped.

[Wildcat455]

Off your "soapbox"? You have got to be kidding me, right?
Write the tickets for the ARS, book the people into jail, tow their vehicles or whatever the case. What are they, your supervisors, going to do? Fire you? That is what the union is for, that is what the federal whistle blowers law is for, to protect you. Selective prosecution of the laws is illegal and immoral. They can't fire you. What the 'F' do you pay union dues for? You want me to feel sorry for you and your colleges? Not a chance in Hell.
You haven't even begun to get on the "soapbox" yet, Hell you haven't even got close to it. Stop being so whimpy and step up, "you've got to stand for something, or you fall for anything".
Where sir do you draw the line? You were 'sworn in' to uphold the laws of this state, you are not doing that, you are not doing your job. The job, we citizens, pay you for.


Just for clairification: I never said this woman that hit me was illegal, although she probably was JMO. I did say she didn't have a valid driver's license, she didn't have insurance and she didn't speak english.

Are you gonna feed his family, pay his bills etc. while he's out of work?

It's gonna take ALOT more than ONE person to make a difference here.

Perhaps we should discuss who we vote for, as most of the people he mentioned are elected officials.

Again, it's gonna take allot more than one person to impact a change, and it CERTAINLY wont be fast enough to help ANY of us...

I am certain the view fron his management is there are allot bigger fish to fry that are getting away with "murder" (Other serious crimes), and the focus needs to be there.

You asking him to sacrifice his livelihood in addition to putting himself on the line everyday, because you had an unfortunate financial loss is pretty bad.

You could say "If he was a good cop, he'd be doing it".

I could say, If "Good Cops" were doing it, they may not be a cop at all for long. Then what do we have?

The point I'm making, is knowing how you feel about the "Injustice" that you feel was done to you, how would you feel if one of your family was murdered, raped, killed by a DUI driver, etc. and those criminals got away?

Everyone has to answer for something, nothing is perfect.

Nothing said here is going to make you feel any better about the time and money this is going to cost you, James. Especially attacking him as part of the problem.

ALL of us have equal parts in ALL the problems with this society, so pointing a finger at him just really points 3 more back at you.

I still feel bad for what happened to all of you, (Yes, especially you James) but really it's all just a rant unless we ALL take some kind of action.

Even what I wrote! :p

[JamesT]

Are you gonna feed his family, pay his bills etc. while he's out of work?

Why does he pay union dues? Why does the union provide lawyers in these circumstances (people getting terminated without cause)?
There is the Federal Whistle Blowers protection, that I believe would apply in this case. The police department could not fire him for doing his job.

It's gonna take ALOT more than ONE person to make a difference here.


Police Officers in this state are as frustrated as you are!

Again, why do they have unions? There is obviously more than one person, get them all to start doing their jobs, that we pay them for.

Perhaps we should discuss who we vote for, as most of the people he mentioned are elected officials.

The police chief is not an elected position and just like Sheriff Joe, that police chief can inforce the laws on the books.

I am certain the view fron his management is there are allot bigger fish to fry that are getting away with "murder" (Other serious crimes), and the focus needs to be there.

illegals ... which by the way are the root cause of the majority of all our crime, ....

How much bigger of a problem does it need to be? As stated by 'shack', "... the majority of all crimes".

You asking him to sacrifice his livelihood in addition to putting himself on the line everyday, because you had an unfortunate financial loss is pretty bad.

You could say "If he was a good cop, he'd be doing it".

No, I am not asking him to put anything 'on the line' for my loss. I am asking him to do what he was 'swore in' to do, in addition to preventing further crimes against all.

I could say, If "Good Cops" were doing it, they may not be a cop at all for long. Then what do we have?

The point I'm making, is knowing how you feel about the "Injustice" that you feel was done to you, how would you feel if one of your family was murdered, raped, killed by a DUI driver, etc. and those criminals got away?

I don't believe there wouldn't be any cops, I do believe the police chief would get fired and elected officials would be held accountable.

... Especially attacking him as part of the problem.

Who is not making the arrests? I don't have the power to arrest them, I wish I did.

ALL of us have equal parts in ALL the problems with this society, so pointing a finger at him just really points 3 more back at you.

I was not, as a 'sworn officier' to do a job, pointing at someone else and saying 'they are not letting me do my job'.
We the people have passed the laws that these officiers are supposed to uphold, they are not doing it. I cannot force them to uphold the laws which we have passed, it is their sworn duty to uphold these laws.

Three branches of government:
Executive
Legislative
Judicial
If one breaks down the other 2 will fail. We the people have control over the legislative and the upper branches of the executive. We have no control over the lower branches of the excutive, which is where police officers are. We have done our part in the legislative, we have no control over the Judicial.
We do need to vote for the proper people to run our executive branch, that is correct. That doesn't excuse someone from doing their job.


I can handle my losses, my problem and the whole point of this thread, is the enforcement that is not being done.

[shack]

Okay James, since you've chosen to attack me personally about issues you know nothing about, lets break it down:

Yes, we all do pay union dues, but the union will not protect me for direct violations of departmental policy. Neither myself nor any other officer is going to take such a challenge on ourselves, as we also have families to feed. We would quickly be labeled "racists" because our dept would not stand behind us, even if we do have 13 or 28 code violations. The Border Patrol also does not enforce the laws because "politicians" will not allow them to.

You are right, the Police cheif is not an elected official, but he is my boss. He reports to the city Mayor and city council who are elected officials. We have been instructed not to tow the vehicles belonging to illegal aliens, even if they have an accident with no insurance. As a matter of fact, we are no longer even allowed to ask if they are in our country illegally for fear that we may be "profiling" them because of their brown skin.

You say that you are asking me to do what I was sworn to do: I do take my job very seriously, but at the end of the day it is still a job. After 15 years on the job I have come to realize that we, as Americans are the only ones that have to abide by the law. There is another set of laws for people that are here illegally. I didn't make the laws, I dont like the laws, and we all try to hold them accountable as much as possible, but whether you believe it or not, the changes have to come from the top.

You are not the one that has to physically be present to see the blood and heartache caused by their illegal acts, then not have the ability to hold them accountable. Half the time we can't even accurately identify them. If we "wildcard" the name they give us in our computer, we have thousands of aka's and sound-alikes that it would take hours to decipher.

I do feel bad for your financial loss, but I feel MUCH worse for the victim's of violent felony crimes who often times have lost family members. Your anger and frustration with the police is unfounded. We are simply a reflection of our society, not all good or all bad!

[JamesT]

I am locking this thread and forwarding the link to some 'press people'.

Thanks for the in sight.