Carnage?

[VIVIsectI]

Got some probs with my Jeep. Seems the person that owned the jeep before me put a 4" lift on just before they sold it (were talking days before they sold it). Well I don't know if it just wasn't done right or if they were just starting work on it and didn't finish or what. But the picture directly below should explain the problem that I'm having just fine.http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5552&stc=1&d=1146942408

I'm wondering if the reason it's rubbing on the DShaft is because the skid plate is missing spacers on the forward 2 bolts. If you look at the following pictures you can see that spacers are between the skidplate and the frame, there are none towards the front of the skid.
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5553&stc=1&d=1146942631

So, first of all I'm wondering if that front DShaft is shot as a result of the rubbing on the skid. Secondly, does anyone have any skidplate or spacer solutions that would resolve this rubbing problem? If I pull that skidplate the entire tranny pan is exposed, that's not something I want given that I've only had it out a few times and it's already seen extensive use. :D

Next on the list: I think that this lift was done half *** for sure, the stock control arms are still in place both forward and back. I've done some damage to the lower passanger rear control arm which is pictured below. The picture doesn't do the damage justice cause it's pretty geniuenly bent up.
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5554&stc=1&d=1146942408

Anyone have any control arm solutions for my 4" lift that would allow me to eventually ad another inch of body lift? I'm not looking to break the bank but I do have some extra cash right now and I'd like to do my best to eliminate this death wobble that I think may be resulting from a combo of the DShaft and the controll arm in the rear. I have yet to ally myself with a 4x4 shop so you big forum sponsors may have a lifetime customer if you can help me out. Appreciate any help and advise.

EDIT!: If I change out the control arms now and then decide later to put in D44s will I have to completely redo the work that I'm thinking about doing to it now? If that's the case then I may well just wait to fix the control arms until I'm ready to convert over to the heavier axles. I'm running 35c 30 right now with no work done to them.

TJ

[thedon]

with you at trans you need to lower the skid plate for the trans pan. with the lift you have you have to take the skid plate off. the front suspenions can travel alot and the factory dont cont for the mount of travel ypou can get with a after market lift. I had to take one of my friends jeep becouse the plate wouldnt let the suspension travel . after market control arms work with 30 or 44 axels. you can do a 1" body lift but will not help you with travel of the suspension. Daystar makes control arms for your jeep so does about every other suspension company. all depends what you wish to spend. I would call around and see who has the best price. what module jeep do you have?

[DREDnot]

My understanding is that with a lift the stock trans skid needs to go . Try a jeep medic skid. covers the engine and trans. You wont be sorry.:D

[FrenchChili]

and as ar as the contrrol arms/mounts, all of mine have been dented to crap but work just as good, didn't notice any change

[VIVIsectI]

and as ar as the contrrol arms/mounts, all of mine have been dented to crap but work just as good, didn't notice any change
I started noticing the "death wobble" is getting progressivly worse since I bent the crap out of the rear one. It has always shaked at about 40 to 45 mph, but not terribly bad. Now it doesn't happen all the time but it's happening more frequently that as I'm goin down the road at about 35 - 50 mph it the steering wheel will start shaking violently back and forth and I have to actually slow it down to a crawl and then accelerate again befor it will go away. It's kinda scary.

[VIVIsectI]

I wonder if I could just cut that portion of the stock skid out that is rubbing?

[FrenchChili]

I started noticing the "death wobble" is getting progressivly worse since I bent the crap out of the rear one. It has always shaked at about 40 to 45 mph, but not terribly bad. Now it doesn't happen all the time but it's happening more frequently that as I'm goin down the road at about 35 - 50 mph it the steering wheel will start shaking violently back and forth and I have to actually slow it down to a crawl and then accelerate again befor it will go away. It's kinda scary.


I can't see how the rear would affect death wobble. Do u have aftermarket tracbar in the front? Or was the stock one relocated? Also uneven tire wear and too much tow in can affect death wobble as well as many other factors (there we go again, I'm sure some of you will jump on this sentence). Do u have rear track bar bracket and if so how tall is it.

Why don't you tell us what the lift came with.

[Tom Schenk]

I started noticing the "death wobble" is getting progressivly worse

That's just the nature of DW, and has nothing to do with your rear LCA. If you have DW you have other things to address, like say, 4" of lift with stock LCA's for example. If it does not already have one, get an adjustable front track bar and at a bracket for the rear to get your axles centered again. Also, adjust the front camber using the cam bolts on the front LCA's. Adjust them as far as they'll go. Then check the tire balance, and check the torque of the track bar, tie rod, and drag link. In the meantime, you can lower your front tire pressure by 5lbs or so to help keep the DW at bay. Good luck.

[thedon]

it sounds like your track bar is gone. that is a wreek part of the suspenions and when you lift and add larger wheels the track bars will not last long. you should look at getting a adjustable track bar. :cool:

[Steve]

I started noticing the "death wobble" is getting progressivly worse since I bent the crap out of the rear one. It has always shaked at about 40 to 45 mph, but not terribly bad. Now it doesn't happen all the time but it's happening more frequently that as I'm goin down the road at about 35 - 50 mph it the steering wheel will start shaking violently back and forth and I have to actually slow it down to a crawl and then accelerate again befor it will go away. It's kinda scary.

Have you tried tightening your front steering and suspension bolts. My recent encounter with the DW was my steering componets were loose. All I had to do was tighten them down. Just a thought.:rolleyes:

[VIVIsectI]

I really appreciate all the recommendations here guys. I will certainly look to the front track bar as the cause of my recent DW problems as well as check the rest of the front end out for any wear and tear. Toe in looks fine on the front end but some camber adjustments may need to be done. Anyone have any experience with the Teraflex Long-Arm Upgrade? Is it worth a crap?

[VIVIsectI]

I really appreciate all the recommendations here guys. I will certainly look to the front track bar as the cause of my recent DW problems as well as check the rest of the front end out for any wear and tear. Toe in looks fine on the front end but some camber adjustments may need to be done.

[LOWTECH]

and as ar as the contrrol arms/mounts, all of mine have been dented to crap but work just as good, didn't notice any change

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[Craig]

Toe in looks fine on the front end but some camber adjustments may need to be done.

This is incorrect. You can not adjust camber as you have ball joints that set the camber and are not adjustable. /----\ |----| \----/ this is camber as viewed from the front of the jeep.

You may need to adjust the "castor" which would be would be viewed from the side and would be the line drawn through the ball joints \ | /

Tighten everything up first and see what happens.

[VIVIsectI]

Went and got my alighnment done today. Purchased a lifetime alignment at Firestone cause they've always been good to me. No more DW! They said that the previous person that balanced the tires was a retard cause they put the wrong type of weights on it and they had nearly all fell off. I asked them to put the stick-on weights this time but when I came to get it they told me up front that they couldn't get them to stick but that they made sure to put the correct type of clip-on weight this time. Could hardly get to work this morning I was wobbling so bad so I finally got it done. Now I can get the alignment whenever I want and don't have to pay JACK!

[xFallen]

Went and got my alighnment done today. Purchased a lifetime alignment at Firestone cause they've always been good to me. No more DW! They said that the previous person that balanced the tires was a retard cause they put the wrong type of weights on it and they had nearly all fell off. I asked them to put the stick-on weights this time but when I came to get it they told me up front that they couldn't get them to stick but that they made sure to put the correct type of clip-on weight this time. Could hardly get to work this morning I was wobbling so bad so I finally got it done. Now I can get the alignment whenever I want and don't have to pay JACK!

Other than the fact that I couldn't see the picture, I was following along nicely. I am not sure who this Jack person is and why you would have to pay him. :confused:





















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Oh. Bent CAs can most definitely affect steering geomtery and therefore induce DW despite what others may have suggested or implied. You certainly had DW as opposed to just nasty vibrations. Glad you got it fixed.


Barry