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25756 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 11:14am
Subject: Re: Jeep Noise
The thing that sucks is that when whatever it is does finally go out,
I'll probably be halfway through Predator or something....Murphy's
Law will take over from that point.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Nick" <nnote@a...> wrote:
> I have the exact same thing going on and already replaced the xfer
case, so
> it's not that. It does come when there is slack in the driveline.
I've
> also had both driveshafts removed and found nothing wrong with the
u-joints
> or anything.
> I've always thought, clutch or tranny.
> Nick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Damon Gentile" <dgentile@s...>
> To: "Dan Coley" <mt_b@y...>
> Cc: <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 10:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Jeep Noise
>
>
> > So the noise only comes when coasting in neutral-
> >
> > A noise during coast is usually slack in the drivetrain in
> > some form. Stepping on the clutch relevies the engine
> > load (accel or decel).
> >
> > So loginally the culprit is either axle, d-shaft,t-case
> > or tranny.
> >
> > I know that's not a lot of help. Maybe a loose pinion?
> > How many miles on the chain driven t-case ? Probably
> > my best guess is a loose d-shaft yoke on the rear.
> >
> > Try driving w/o front d-shaft, then without rear and
> > that would narrow it down a bit.
> >
> > HTH,
> > -d
> >
> > Dan Coley wrote:
> > >
> > > Ok Darner says there is no problem with the cat. conv. which I
> > > expected. They also said that if you go 4 wheeling, then you
void
> > > your warranty....funny how all the ads for Jeep so them off-
road.
> > >
> > > Anyways, I've made some more specific conclusions to my problem:
> > > When coasting from speeds above 30mph or so, there is a
consistant
> > > (but not very rotational) metallic noise coming from under the
jeep.
> > > It only happens if the jeep is not in gear when slowing down (no
> > > power applied); the clutch pedal can be anywhere from engaged
to not
> > > engaged.
> > >
> > > The clutch pedal can also be to the floor and the jeep in gear,
and
> > > the noise is there.
> > >
> > > If you put the jeep in gear and slow using engine compression
there
> > > is no noise.
> > >
> > > But it won't happen right after startup, the jeep has to be
driven
> > > around for a while.
> > >
> > > There is no noise under power (except when you shift and the
jeep is
> > > momentarily not in gear). There is no noise at idle and not
moving.
> > > The loudness of the noise is related to speed at which you start
> > > slowing down from; barely hear it from 20mph, but it is VERY
evident
> > > when getting off the freeway.
> > >
> > > Right as the noise starts you can also feel some sort of
metallic
> > > connection made through the clutch pedal, but then it goes away.
> > >
> > > As far as I can tell it's not affecting performance or function
at
> > > this time, and I'm not going to keep dumping money into the
dealer
> > > only to be told they don't know what's wrong.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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25757 From: Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 11:17am
Subject: Re: Jeep Noise
If you are off the clutch pedal it should be quiet. I;'d imagine if
it was balking enough to be that loud the clutch would be slipping
and grabbing and driving you nuts.
Could it be something along the lines of a loose nut holding on
a pinion yoke ? (usually hear that as a nasty howl from the pinion
walking)
On a completely different subject - A buddy came by my place and we
replaced his clutch. (94 YJ 4.0, AX15) The old pilot bearing literally
fell out of the end of the crank. He threw in another one that laster
for about a week then it started to slip. Sounds like helllllllll
with that little bearing rattling loose between the input shaft
and crank. Pulled the clutch again, and plop out fell the new bearing,
showing signs of getting bounced around. That forced it to pump all
the greast out in a nifty starburst pattern.. NOT saying that's what's
happening here, but it was an interesting noise to diagnose....
-d
Nick wrote:
>
> I have the exact same thing going on and already replaced the xfer case, so
> it's not that. It does come when there is slack in the driveline. I've
> also had both driveshafts removed and found nothing wrong with the u-joints
> or anything.
> I've always thought, clutch or tranny.
> Nick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Damon Gentile" <dgentile@s...>
> To: "Dan Coley" <mt_b@y...>
> Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 10:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Jeep Noise
>
> > So the noise only comes when coasting in neutral-
> >
> > A noise during coast is usually slack in the drivetrain in
> > some form. Stepping on the clutch relevies the engine
> > load (accel or decel).
> >
> > So loginally the culprit is either axle, d-shaft,t-case
> > or tranny.
> >
> > I know that's not a lot of help. Maybe a loose pinion?
> > How many miles on the chain driven t-case ? Probably
> > my best guess is a loose d-shaft yoke on the rear.
> >
> > Try driving w/o front d-shaft, then without rear and
> > that would narrow it down a bit.
> >
> > HTH,
> > -d
> >
> > Dan Coley wrote:
> > >
> > > Ok Darner says there is no problem with the cat. conv. which I
> > > expected. They also said that if you go 4 wheeling, then you void
> > > your warranty....funny how all the ads for Jeep so them off-road.
> > >
> > > Anyways, I've made some more specific conclusions to my problem:
> > > When coasting from speeds above 30mph or so, there is a consistant
> > > (but not very rotational) metallic noise coming from under the jeep.
> > > It only happens if the jeep is not in gear when slowing down (no
> > > power applied); the clutch pedal can be anywhere from engaged to not
> > > engaged.
> > >
> > > The clutch pedal can also be to the floor and the jeep in gear, and
> > > the noise is there.
> > >
> > > If you put the jeep in gear and slow using engine compression there
> > > is no noise.
> > >
> > > But it won't happen right after startup, the jeep has to be driven
> > > around for a while.
> > >
> > > There is no noise under power (except when you shift and the jeep is
> > > momentarily not in gear). There is no noise at idle and not moving.
> > > The loudness of the noise is related to speed at which you start
> > > slowing down from; barely hear it from 20mph, but it is VERY evident
> > > when getting off the freeway.
> > >
> > > Right as the noise starts you can also feel some sort of metallic
> > > connection made through the clutch pedal, but then it goes away.
> > >
> > > As far as I can tell it's not affecting performance or function at
> > > this time, and I'm not going to keep dumping money into the dealer
> > > only to be told they don't know what's wrong.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
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25758 From: Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 11:20am
Subject: Re: Re: Jeep Noise
T/O will only make noise when you are stepping on the clutch pedal.
Otherwise the t/o is just sitting still.
I've seen T/O bearings bad out of the box, and others with really
short lives due to surface damage on the input bearing retainer.
14K stock miles or 14k on clutch replacement.... ?
-d
Dan Coley wrote:
>
> Well I just put new u-joints in the rear driveshaft, so that's all
> tight. I think I'm gonna pull the front DS and drive without it and
> see if that eliminates anything.
>
> I'm just wondering if it may be a throwout bearing or something
> similar. But I only have 14K miles on it.
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...> wrote:
> > So the noise only comes when coasting in neutral-
> >
> > A noise during coast is usually slack in the drivetrain in
> > some form. Stepping on the clutch relevies the engine
> > load (accel or decel).
> >
> > So loginally the culprit is either axle, d-shaft,t-case
> > or tranny.
> >
> > I know that's not a lot of help. Maybe a loose pinion?
> > How many miles on the chain driven t-case ? Probably
> > my best guess is a loose d-shaft yoke on the rear.
> >
> > Try driving w/o front d-shaft, then without rear and
> > that would narrow it down a bit.
> >
> > HTH,
> > -d
> >
> > Dan Coley wrote:
> > >
> > > Ok Darner says there is no problem with the cat. conv. which I
> > > expected. They also said that if you go 4 wheeling, then you void
> > > your warranty....funny how all the ads for Jeep so them off-road.
> > >
> > > Anyways, I've made some more specific conclusions to my problem:
> > > When coasting from speeds above 30mph or so, there is a consistant
> > > (but not very rotational) metallic noise coming from under the
> jeep.
> > > It only happens if the jeep is not in gear when slowing down (no
> > > power applied); the clutch pedal can be anywhere from engaged to
> not
> > > engaged.
> > >
> > > The clutch pedal can also be to the floor and the jeep in gear,
> and
> > > the noise is there.
> > >
> > > If you put the jeep in gear and slow using engine compression
> there
> > > is no noise.
> > >
> > > But it won't happen right after startup, the jeep has to be driven
> > > around for a while.
> > >
> > > There is no noise under power (except when you shift and the jeep
> is
> > > momentarily not in gear). There is no noise at idle and not
> moving.
> > > The loudness of the noise is related to speed at which you start
> > > slowing down from; barely hear it from 20mph, but it is VERY
> evident
> > > when getting off the freeway.
> > >
> > > Right as the noise starts you can also feel some sort of metallic
> > > connection made through the clutch pedal, but then it goes away.
> > >
> > > As far as I can tell it's not affecting performance or function at
> > > this time, and I'm not going to keep dumping money into the dealer
> > > only to be told they don't know what's wrong.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>
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25759 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 11:29am
Subject: Re: [Q] Modification mistakes....
Or, buy a snorkel kit, and get the fresh air from outside! No more engine
compartment heat going in!
Right James? BTW, how is it doing on gas mileage and torque?
Mike Baney
--- "Chris R." <my1stjeep@e...> wrote:
> Turbo City Air Intake: It is a metal tube which retains the heat from
> the
> engine and heats up the air heading into the throttle body. After
> installing it there was a test that was performed that tested a similar
> metal intake with a K&N to a stock intake to a stock intake with a K&N
> replacement. The stock set up with a K&N installed and the restrictor
> on
> the end removed gave the best overall performance gains, then the Metal
> intake tube came in second.
>
> I heard that Turbo City now makes a Plastic one, the one problem they
> still
> have not overcome is that it ends above the engine, where the stock one
> ends
> at the front where cooler air can be taken in.
>
> I do have better performance when the overall air temps outside are
> cooler
> and first thing in the morning, but on the ride home in the heat coupled
> with the engine heat and it does not perform nearly as well. There is
> an
> exhaust tape(looks like gauze) that I am going to wrap around it to
> attempt
> to insulate the tube. When used on headers it is to keep the heat in
> and
> make it exit through the exhaust, so I am hoping it will work to keep
> the
> heat off the metal tube and keep the tube cooler.
>
> Save the money and just install a K&N in the stock box or just add a
> cone
> intake where the box is at. I know the Airaid one puts it where the
> stock
> box is, but the overall price of $199 is outrageous for a 90 degree
> elbow
> and a K&N filter.
>
> Chris
> http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> My1stJeep@e...
> '97 TJ
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25760 From: <azyoyo7@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 7:32am
Subject: Thanks
I would like to thank Rick Beers a member who works at Dicount tire on Bell @
43Ave.He gave me the best deal I could find on a set of Super Swamper
TSL/SXs.He also put on a new set of lug nuts on all 4 tires for free. I will
be calling him if I need any more tires.
David 95 YJ
25761 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 11:38am
Subject: Re: [Q] Modification mistakes....
Where does the water go in heavy horiz. rain?
--- In az_vjc@y..., Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...> wrote:
> Or, buy a snorkel kit, and get the fresh air from outside! No more
engine
> compartment heat going in!
>
> Right James? BTW, how is it doing on gas mileage and torque?
>
> Mike Baney
>
>
> --- "Chris R." <my1stjeep@e...> wrote:
> > Turbo City Air Intake: It is a metal tube which retains the heat
from
> > the
> > engine and heats up the air heading into the throttle body. After
> > installing it there was a test that was performed that tested a
similar
> > metal intake with a K&N to a stock intake to a stock intake with
a K&N
> > replacement. The stock set up with a K&N installed and the
restrictor
> > on
> > the end removed gave the best overall performance gains, then the
Metal
> > intake tube came in second.
> >
> > I heard that Turbo City now makes a Plastic one, the one problem
they
> > still
> > have not overcome is that it ends above the engine, where the
stock one
> > ends
> > at the front where cooler air can be taken in.
> >
> > I do have better performance when the overall air temps outside
are
> > cooler
> > and first thing in the morning, but on the ride home in the heat
coupled
> > with the engine heat and it does not perform nearly as well.
There is
> > an
> > exhaust tape(looks like gauze) that I am going to wrap around it
to
> > attempt
> > to insulate the tube. When used on headers it is to keep the
heat in
> > and
> > make it exit through the exhaust, so I am hoping it will work to
keep
> > the
> > heat off the metal tube and keep the tube cooler.
> >
> > Save the money and just install a K&N in the stock box or just
add a
> > cone
> > intake where the box is at. I know the Airaid one puts it where
the
> > stock
> > box is, but the overall price of $199 is outrageous for a 90
degree
> > elbow
> > and a K&N filter.
> >
> > Chris
> > http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> > My1stJeep@e...
> > '97 TJ
> > ___
> > [___]
> > -(O|||||O)-
> > =======
> > [||]----O--[||]
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask
remains
> > a
> > fool forever."
> >
> >
> >
> >
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25762 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 0:10pm
Subject: RE: Re: [Q] Modification mistakes....
The water travels in through the snorkel intake and pools at the bottom
u-shaped "trap" at the bottom of the snorkel where it sits and is evaporated
by the air rushing by it on it's way to the intake manifold. Rest assured
that the water will not somehow be ingested in large enough quantities to
cause hydro-lock of the engine... unless of course the "heavy horizontal
rain" is actually you driving through a lake.
<grin>
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Coley [mailto:mt_b@y...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:38 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [Q] Modification mistakes....
>
>
> Where does the water go in heavy horiz. rain?
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...> wrote:
> > Or, buy a snorkel kit, and get the fresh air from outside! No more
> engine
> > compartment heat going in!
> >
> > Right James? BTW, how is it doing on gas mileage and torque?
> >
> > Mike Baney
> >
> >
> > --- "Chris R." <my1stjeep@e...> wrote:
> > > Turbo City Air Intake: It is a metal tube which retains the heat
> from
> > > the
> > > engine and heats up the air heading into the throttle body. After
> > > installing it there was a test that was performed that tested a
> similar
> > > metal intake with a K&N to a stock intake to a stock intake with
> a K&N
> > > replacement. The stock set up with a K&N installed and the
> restrictor
> > > on
> > > the end removed gave the best overall performance gains, then the
> Metal
> > > intake tube came in second.
> > >
> > > I heard that Turbo City now makes a Plastic one, the one problem
> they
> > > still
> > > have not overcome is that it ends above the engine, where the
> stock one
> > > ends
> > > at the front where cooler air can be taken in.
> > >
> > > I do have better performance when the overall air temps outside
> are
> > > cooler
> > > and first thing in the morning, but on the ride home in the heat
> coupled
> > > with the engine heat and it does not perform nearly as well.
> There is
> > > an
> > > exhaust tape(looks like gauze) that I am going to wrap around it
> to
> > > attempt
> > > to insulate the tube. When used on headers it is to keep the
> heat in
> > > and
> > > make it exit through the exhaust, so I am hoping it will work to
> keep
> > > the
> > > heat off the metal tube and keep the tube cooler.
> > >
> > > Save the money and just install a K&N in the stock box or just
> add a
> > > cone
> > > intake where the box is at. I know the Airaid one puts it where
> the
> > > stock
> > > box is, but the overall price of $199 is outrageous for a 90
> degree
> > > elbow
> > > and a K&N filter.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> > > My1stJeep@e...
> > > '97 TJ
> > > ___
> > > [___]
> > > -(O|||||O)-
> > > =======
> > > [||]----O--[||]
> > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask
> remains
> > > a
> > > fool forever."
> > >
> > >
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25763 From: <amstaff@e...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 0:13pm
Subject: Re: Thanks
Wow, this Rick seems to be doing a lot of folks right. I'll call him
next time I need tires, too.
David, I saw you a couple weeks ago on the 60. I was in the 4Runner,
not the Jeep. Anyway, wanted to tell you how cool that top looks on
your Jeep. Man, to tell the truth, I'm kinda sorry I got rid of it
now.
Dion
--- In az_vjc@y..., azyoyo7@a... wrote:
> I would like to thank Rick Beers a member who works at Dicount tire on Bell @
> 43Ave.He gave me the best deal I could find on a set of Super Swamper
> TSL/SXs.He also put on a new set of lug nuts on all 4 tires for free. I will
> be calling him if I need any more tires.
>
> David 95 YJ
25764 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 0:18pm
Subject: Re: [Q] Modification mistakes....
I didn't actually make it "through" the lake, just in. =)
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> wrote:
> The water travels in through the snorkel intake and pools at the
bottom
> u-shaped "trap" at the bottom of the snorkel where it sits and is
evaporated
> by the air rushing by it on it's way to the intake manifold. Rest
assured
> that the water will not somehow be ingested in large enough
quantities to
> cause hydro-lock of the engine... unless of course the "heavy
horizontal
> rain" is actually you driving through a lake.
> <grin>
>
> Joe West
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dan Coley [mailto:mt_b@y...]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:38 AM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [Q] Modification mistakes....
> >
> >
> > Where does the water go in heavy horiz. rain?
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...> wrote:
> > > Or, buy a snorkel kit, and get the fresh air from outside! No
more
> > engine
> > > compartment heat going in!
> > >
> > > Right James? BTW, how is it doing on gas mileage and torque?
> > >
> > > Mike Baney
> > >
> > >
> > > --- "Chris R." <my1stjeep@e...> wrote:
> > > > Turbo City Air Intake: It is a metal tube which retains the
heat
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > engine and heats up the air heading into the throttle body.
After
> > > > installing it there was a test that was performed that tested
a
> > similar
> > > > metal intake with a K&N to a stock intake to a stock intake
with
> > a K&N
> > > > replacement. The stock set up with a K&N installed and the
> > restrictor
> > > > on
> > > > the end removed gave the best overall performance gains, then
the
> > Metal
> > > > intake tube came in second.
> > > >
> > > > I heard that Turbo City now makes a Plastic one, the one
problem
> > they
> > > > still
> > > > have not overcome is that it ends above the engine, where the
> > stock one
> > > > ends
> > > > at the front where cooler air can be taken in.
> > > >
> > > > I do have better performance when the overall air temps
outside
> > are
> > > > cooler
> > > > and first thing in the morning, but on the ride home in the
heat
> > coupled
> > > > with the engine heat and it does not perform nearly as well.
> > There is
> > > > an
> > > > exhaust tape(looks like gauze) that I am going to wrap around
it
> > to
> > > > attempt
> > > > to insulate the tube. When used on headers it is to keep the
> > heat in
> > > > and
> > > > make it exit through the exhaust, so I am hoping it will work
to
> > keep
> > > > the
> > > > heat off the metal tube and keep the tube cooler.
> > > >
> > > > Save the money and just install a K&N in the stock box or just
> > add a
> > > > cone
> > > > intake where the box is at. I know the Airaid one puts it
where
> > the
> > > > stock
> > > > box is, but the overall price of $199 is outrageous for a 90
> > degree
> > > > elbow
> > > > and a K&N filter.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > > http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> > > > My1stJeep@e...
> > > > '97 TJ
> > > > ___
> > > > [___]
> > > > -(O|||||O)-
> > > > =======
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25765 From: Bill Aylesworth <julbill@r...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 0:40pm
Subject: Re: Is Anyone using Yahoo Messenger?
I'm on everyday! I have a deaf co-worker and justified
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25766 From: David Burke <davewburke@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 0:47pm
Subject: Re: Fuel Cell's and Emissions Testing
I am assuming that you will, anticipate problems with the fuel system
pressure test portion. This is where they pinch off the vent line that goes
from your tank to the canister, at the canister, and pressurize the fuel tank
at the fill nozzle with a couple of psi of air. I am assuming that there must
be a way around that as there are many street legal sand rails that run fuel
cells on the streets.
I would call a place that builds rails and see how they get around it. I am
thinking that the type of motors that they are using in rails didn't come
with a charcoal canister in the first place, thus not requiring one for
emissions. Yours did come with one, and they may require you to modify the
fuel cell to incorporate the vent lines.
-Trick-cj
jeeperaz@q... wrote:
> Im putting a fuel cell in there bed of my CJ and getting rid of the
> stock tank.
>
> Should anticipate problems with passing the equipment portion of the
> emissions test.... Is it legal?
>
> Regards,
> LarryM
>
>
>
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25767 From: Bill Aylesworth <julbill@r...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 0:52pm
Subject: Re: Re: Jeep Noise
I have the same noise with my rear driveshaft. I was
thinking that it was the T-case. but upon inspection
it is ok. (or seems that way) Mine puts out a DEADLY
noise!! it is really bad at speed. My next cure is to
put a new CV driveshaft in. my angles are really bad
and the splined section of the driveshaft has play in
it.
Exact same thing as your though. no noise untill the
driveline is unloaded. I even took out the rear
driveshaft and drove around on the front only. ZERO
noise!! put the rear DS back in, and you scare
children on the sidewalk.
If you find out what it is let me know. I have to put
a driveshaft in mine reguardless now. (stupid rock!
Big Dent!)
Bill A.
55M38A1
--- Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...>
wrote:
> T/O will only make noise when you are stepping on
> the clutch pedal.
> Otherwise the t/o is just sitting still.
>
> I've seen T/O bearings bad out of the box, and
> others with really
> short lives due to surface damage on the input
> bearing retainer.
> 14K stock miles or 14k on clutch replacement.... ?
>
> -d
>
> Dan Coley wrote:
> >
> > Well I just put new u-joints in the rear
> driveshaft, so that's all
> > tight. I think I'm gonna pull the front DS and
> drive without it and
> > see if that eliminates anything.
> >
> > I'm just wondering if it may be a throwout bearing
> or something
> > similar. But I only have 14K miles on it.
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...>
> wrote:
> > > So the noise only comes when coasting in
> neutral-
> > >
> > > A noise during coast is usually slack in the
> drivetrain in
> > > some form. Stepping on the clutch relevies the
> engine
> > > load (accel or decel).
> > >
> > > So loginally the culprit is either axle,
> d-shaft,t-case
> > > or tranny.
> > >
> > > I know that's not a lot of help. Maybe a loose
> pinion?
> > > How many miles on the chain driven t-case ?
> Probably
> > > my best guess is a loose d-shaft yoke on the
> rear.
> > >
> > > Try driving w/o front d-shaft, then without rear
> and
> > > that would narrow it down a bit.
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > > -d
> > >
> > > Dan Coley wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ok Darner says there is no problem with the
> cat. conv. which I
> > > > expected. They also said that if you go 4
> wheeling, then you void
> > > > your warranty....funny how all the ads for
> Jeep so them off-road.
> > > >
> > > > Anyways, I've made some more specific
> conclusions to my problem:
> > > > When coasting from speeds above 30mph or so,
> there is a consistant
> > > > (but not very rotational) metallic noise
> coming from under the
> > jeep.
> > > > It only happens if the jeep is not in gear
> when slowing down (no
> > > > power applied); the clutch pedal can be
> anywhere from engaged to
> > not
> > > > engaged.
> > > >
> > > > The clutch pedal can also be to the floor and
> the jeep in gear,
> > and
> > > > the noise is there.
> > > >
> > > > If you put the jeep in gear and slow using
> engine compression
> > there
> > > > is no noise.
> > > >
> > > > But it won't happen right after startup, the
> jeep has to be driven
> > > > around for a while.
> > > >
> > > > There is no noise under power (except when you
> shift and the jeep
> > is
> > > > momentarily not in gear). There is no noise
> at idle and not
> > moving.
> > > > The loudness of the noise is related to speed
> at which you start
> > > > slowing down from; barely hear it from 20mph,
> but it is VERY
> > evident
> > > > when getting off the freeway.
> > > >
> > > > Right as the noise starts you can also feel
> some sort of metallic
> > > > connection made through the clutch pedal, but
> then it goes away.
> > > >
> > > > As far as I can tell it's not affecting
> performance or function at
> > > > this time, and I'm not going to keep dumping
> money into the dealer
> > > > only to be told they don't know what's wrong.
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25768 From: Brent Lizakowski <brent_lizakowski@h...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 1:18pm
Subject: Re: [Q] Modification mistakes....
Chris,
Just curious, where'd you see that test at? I'd like to take a look at
the results.
FWIW, I've got a TC air tube. I didn't really buy it for its
performance gains, mainly just so I could make some room under my hood
for my York compressor.
Also, I think only the YJ's have those restrictors in them. Maybe I'm
wrong though.
Does having the intake just above the hood really make a huge
difference when it's 120 degrees out??? ;)
Brent
25769 From: Sullivan, Len <kermit@e...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 1:59pm
Subject: they actually printed it.......
Wow.....I didn't expect the Republic to actually print my letter to the
editor.
http://www.arizonarepublic.com/opinions/articles/0621thurlet211.html
Len Sullivan
VDT Coordinator
CSK Automotive, Inc.
602.631.7845
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25770 From: David W. Smith <dwsmith69@h...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 2:01pm
Subject: Re: Fuel Cell's and Emissions Testing
I installed a fuel cell in the back of my Datsun 240Z right below the hatch
back. They never hassled me about the fuel cell. But with the V-8 under the
hood I got a lot questions each time. But they alway's passed it.
>From: jeeperaz@q...
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Fuel Cell's and Emissions Testing
>Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:28:07 -0000
>
>Im putting a fuel cell in there bed of my CJ and getting rid of the
>stock tank.
>
>Should anticipate problems with passing the equipment portion of the
>emissions test.... Is it legal?
>
>Regards,
>LarryM
>
>
>
>
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25771 From: James Smith <jeepinsmitty@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 2:09pm
Subject: Buying a newJeep...??????
Ok, I know htis thread was discussed about a week or
two ago. But, I have one more question.
Ok, this time it is not about Buying a new Jeep, but
Leasing it. My boss is looking at trading in her TJ
for a new Grand Cherokee. I saw the lease proposal
yesterday and saw that they are charging her MSRP.
So my question is that will the steps that were
outlined before about doing the research on the net
and finding what I want to pay for the Jeep and making
them accept my price, work for a lease? Or has anybody
had any dealing with this subject?
Any help would be greatly appreciated, by both me and
my boss.
Thanks a bunch,
Smitty
95' YJ
In need of a lift..
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25772 From: Scott Legge <scottlegge@h...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 2:03pm
Subject: Re: Fuel Cell's and Emissions Testing
In regards to this I know a guy who runs a fuel cell in his trunk. He plugs
the main inlet line just to pass emissions. I know its illegal as h-e(double
hockey stick) but They told him there was no way around it. He has a dummy
line. He takes off his real fill hose and puts the other one thats plugged
on one end and they ***** about not much volume (of air) going in and he
says his tank is full. he also puts a couple ounces of gas down the dummy
hose for the smell or if they suck a sample. :) The lengths some people go
to for performance <shrug>. I think its worth the extra safety for the
person driving the vehicle to even ***** at them about vapors... JMO
Scott Legge
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Burke" <davewburke@y...>
To: <jeeperaz@q...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Fuel Cell's and Emissions Testing
> I am assuming that you will, anticipate problems with the fuel system
> pressure test portion. This is where they pinch off the vent line that
goes
> from your tank to the canister, at the canister, and pressurize the fuel
tank
> at the fill nozzle with a couple of psi of air. I am assuming that there
must
> be a way around that as there are many street legal sand rails that run
fuel
> cells on the streets.
>
> I would call a place that builds rails and see how they get around it. I
am
> thinking that the type of motors that they are using in rails didn't come
> with a charcoal canister in the first place, thus not requiring one for
> emissions. Yours did come with one, and they may require you to modify the
> fuel cell to incorporate the vent lines.
>
> -Trick-cj
>
> jeeperaz@q... wrote:
>
> > Im putting a fuel cell in there bed of my CJ and getting rid of the
> > stock tank.
> >
> > Should anticipate problems with passing the equipment portion of the
> > emissions test.... Is it legal?
> >
> > Regards,
> > LarryM
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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25773 From: <amstaff@e...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 2:40pm
Subject: Bolts needed, please help
Hi all: I need the bolts that hold the soft top tub rails to the tub.
This is for a YJ; don't know if TJs are the same. They're Torx bolts
with the flat plate nut on the bottom.
If anyone has some they would sell or otherwise part with, I'd
appreciate it. I need 6 or 8 of them total. Drop me a line if you've
got some and I'll come get them at your convenience. I will be out of
town until Sunday, so don't worry if you don't hear back right away.
You can reach me at amstaff@e... or 480.460.0399. Thanks.
Dion
25774 From: Dale Domingue <rogueforce1@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 3:11pm
Subject: Re: Is Anyone using Yahoo Messenger?
what about the chat room for the group on yahoo groups? does anyone ever chat there?
Tomie Skramstad wrote:
I use Yahoo messenger all the time. Do a lot of people
on this list chat on Yahoo?
~ Tomie
Yahoo SN - mudmaid
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25775 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 3:15pm
Subject: [FS] 93 yj for sale
Price: 6100
Contact: Nick 4809620490
The "Little Mule" is for sale. you can see pics of it at my member listing, under Nicholas Lara. It was for 6500 but the guy who was supposed to paint it can't do it for another month, so I took Off 400 bucks. I also have a 1" body lift still in box. It has a 2" body lift now. It has a SOA, 35" mts with full spare, good shape, nice int.(grey) Black soft top.
Nicholas L.
25776 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 3:15pm
Subject: [FS] 93 yj for sale
Price: 6100
Contact: Nick 4809620490
The "Little Mule" is for sale. you can see pics of it at my member listing, under Nicholas Lara. It was for 6500 but the guy who was supposed to paint it can't do it for another month, so I took Off 400 bucks. I also have a 1" body lift still in box. It has a 2" body lift now. It has a SOA, 35" mts with full spare, good shape, nice int.(grey) Black soft top. 90k
Nicholas L.
25777 From: <nickcarrie@h...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 3:18pm
Subject: sorry for the double post
25778 From: Daddy Longlegs <osmtj@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 3:26pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Noise
Those are words to think about. Darner is definitely one to stay away from. Offroading voids the warranty? How ridiculous. Remember how DC introduced the Liberty to the public coming down that big rock at the show? I suppose that was a parking lot at the neighborhood grocery, huh ;) I for one say boycott them and try another. I have had the best service at Glendale Jeep. The service manager I deal with is Kim Rhymes. Call and ask for her. She never once complained about the 35's on my TJ.
Scott
Dan Coley wrote:
Ok so Darner says no problem with cat. converter, which I expected.
They also told me if you go 4wheeling, you void your warranty...but
that's a different topic.
After driving the jeep some more I've made the following conclusions,
which are very specific:
I've now determined that it does it whenever the jeep is
decelerating, but only if you don't have it in gear. If you put it
in gear (and have engine compression upon slowing down), no noise; if
you put it in neutral (clutch pedal up or down) lots of metallic
noise. In other words I can make the jeep make the noise depending
on clutch positin/gear postion (neutral vs. any gear).
You can also kind of feel some sort of abnormal contact through the
clutch petal right as it starts.
Will do it under acceleration sometimes, but always under
deceleration. I guess I'm thinking it may be something in the
clutch.
The other problem is that it only does it after driving the jeep for
a few minutes, never right after startup. Which is the reason that
the dealer didn't hear anything, because they wouldn't drive it long
enough.
Anyone had these symptons before?
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25779 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 3:56pm
Subject: [FS] Super Swampers on Eagle Alloys for sale
Price: 500
Contact: Contact me at: bermboy@hotmail.com or 480-236-5090
33X15.50 Super Swamper TSL SX Steel Belted Tires mounted on 15X10 Eagle Alloy 589's (Baja design) 75% tread left Center caps included, about 1200 new, will sell for 500
Scott Maiden
25780 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 0:35pm
Subject: Saturday, June 23 night run
I just tried posting a night run on the club web server and my 10 minutes of
detailed typing ended in a Server 500 error. So I am posting it here
instead.
When: 5:30 PM (prompt) Saturday, June 23
Where: mile marker #11 on the Carefree Highway (aka, Highway 74), about 8~9
miles west of Lake Pleasent Marina turnoff
Channel: 4
Trail name: Tin Can Alley
Duration: ~6 hours
A little bit of something for everyone on this trail. Yes, stock Jeeps can
make it...maybe with a tow strap (been used before) in one or two places.
Locked Jeeps can try the harder obstacles and impress everyone. Bypasses
are available on the hard obstacles.
Depending on how many people come and how many drivers pick the fun lines on
obstacles, we can get done by midnight (usually). It takes about an hour to
get back to Phoenix from there so plan on a late night, OK? That way you
won't stress when you realize you told the babysitter you would be home by
10:00.
Hope to see some folks there. I'll try to get this on the website but don't
hold your breath. (I hate servers!)
Prior run details and pics at
http://www.stu-offroad.com/others/other17-1.htm
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
25756 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 11:14am
Subject: Re: Jeep Noise
The thing that sucks is that when whatever it is does finally go out,
I'll probably be halfway through Predator or something....Murphy's
Law will take over from that point.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Nick" <nnote@a...> wrote:
> I have the exact same thing going on and already replaced the xfer
case, so
> it's not that. It does come when there is slack in the driveline.
I've
> also had both driveshafts removed and found nothing wrong with the
u-joints
> or anything.
> I've always thought, clutch or tranny.
> Nick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Damon Gentile" <dgentile@s...>
> To: "Dan Coley" <mt_b@y...>
> Cc: <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 10:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Jeep Noise
>
>
> > So the noise only comes when coasting in neutral-
> >
> > A noise during coast is usually slack in the drivetrain in
> > some form. Stepping on the clutch relevies the engine
> > load (accel or decel).
> >
> > So loginally the culprit is either axle, d-shaft,t-case
> > or tranny.
> >
> > I know that's not a lot of help. Maybe a loose pinion?
> > How many miles on the chain driven t-case ? Probably
> > my best guess is a loose d-shaft yoke on the rear.
> >
> > Try driving w/o front d-shaft, then without rear and
> > that would narrow it down a bit.
> >
> > HTH,
> > -d
> >
> > Dan Coley wrote:
> > >
> > > Ok Darner says there is no problem with the cat. conv. which I
> > > expected. They also said that if you go 4 wheeling, then you
void
> > > your warranty....funny how all the ads for Jeep so them off-
road.
> > >
> > > Anyways, I've made some more specific conclusions to my problem:
> > > When coasting from speeds above 30mph or so, there is a
consistant
> > > (but not very rotational) metallic noise coming from under the
jeep.
> > > It only happens if the jeep is not in gear when slowing down (no
> > > power applied); the clutch pedal can be anywhere from engaged
to not
> > > engaged.
> > >
> > > The clutch pedal can also be to the floor and the jeep in gear,
and
> > > the noise is there.
> > >
> > > If you put the jeep in gear and slow using engine compression
there
> > > is no noise.
> > >
> > > But it won't happen right after startup, the jeep has to be
driven
> > > around for a while.
> > >
> > > There is no noise under power (except when you shift and the
jeep is
> > > momentarily not in gear). There is no noise at idle and not
moving.
> > > The loudness of the noise is related to speed at which you start
> > > slowing down from; barely hear it from 20mph, but it is VERY
evident
> > > when getting off the freeway.
> > >
> > > Right as the noise starts you can also feel some sort of
metallic
> > > connection made through the clutch pedal, but then it goes away.
> > >
> > > As far as I can tell it's not affecting performance or function
at
> > > this time, and I'm not going to keep dumping money into the
dealer
> > > only to be told they don't know what's wrong.
> > >
> > >
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25757 From: Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 11:17am
Subject: Re: Jeep Noise
If you are off the clutch pedal it should be quiet. I;'d imagine if
it was balking enough to be that loud the clutch would be slipping
and grabbing and driving you nuts.
Could it be something along the lines of a loose nut holding on
a pinion yoke ? (usually hear that as a nasty howl from the pinion
walking)
On a completely different subject - A buddy came by my place and we
replaced his clutch. (94 YJ 4.0, AX15) The old pilot bearing literally
fell out of the end of the crank. He threw in another one that laster
for about a week then it started to slip. Sounds like helllllllll
with that little bearing rattling loose between the input shaft
and crank. Pulled the clutch again, and plop out fell the new bearing,
showing signs of getting bounced around. That forced it to pump all
the greast out in a nifty starburst pattern.. NOT saying that's what's
happening here, but it was an interesting noise to diagnose....
-d
Nick wrote:
>
> I have the exact same thing going on and already replaced the xfer case, so
> it's not that. It does come when there is slack in the driveline. I've
> also had both driveshafts removed and found nothing wrong with the u-joints
> or anything.
> I've always thought, clutch or tranny.
> Nick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Damon Gentile" <dgentile@s...>
> To: "Dan Coley" <mt_b@y...>
> Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 10:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Jeep Noise
>
> > So the noise only comes when coasting in neutral-
> >
> > A noise during coast is usually slack in the drivetrain in
> > some form. Stepping on the clutch relevies the engine
> > load (accel or decel).
> >
> > So loginally the culprit is either axle, d-shaft,t-case
> > or tranny.
> >
> > I know that's not a lot of help. Maybe a loose pinion?
> > How many miles on the chain driven t-case ? Probably
> > my best guess is a loose d-shaft yoke on the rear.
> >
> > Try driving w/o front d-shaft, then without rear and
> > that would narrow it down a bit.
> >
> > HTH,
> > -d
> >
> > Dan Coley wrote:
> > >
> > > Ok Darner says there is no problem with the cat. conv. which I
> > > expected. They also said that if you go 4 wheeling, then you void
> > > your warranty....funny how all the ads for Jeep so them off-road.
> > >
> > > Anyways, I've made some more specific conclusions to my problem:
> > > When coasting from speeds above 30mph or so, there is a consistant
> > > (but not very rotational) metallic noise coming from under the jeep.
> > > It only happens if the jeep is not in gear when slowing down (no
> > > power applied); the clutch pedal can be anywhere from engaged to not
> > > engaged.
> > >
> > > The clutch pedal can also be to the floor and the jeep in gear, and
> > > the noise is there.
> > >
> > > If you put the jeep in gear and slow using engine compression there
> > > is no noise.
> > >
> > > But it won't happen right after startup, the jeep has to be driven
> > > around for a while.
> > >
> > > There is no noise under power (except when you shift and the jeep is
> > > momentarily not in gear). There is no noise at idle and not moving.
> > > The loudness of the noise is related to speed at which you start
> > > slowing down from; barely hear it from 20mph, but it is VERY evident
> > > when getting off the freeway.
> > >
> > > Right as the noise starts you can also feel some sort of metallic
> > > connection made through the clutch pedal, but then it goes away.
> > >
> > > As far as I can tell it's not affecting performance or function at
> > > this time, and I'm not going to keep dumping money into the dealer
> > > only to be told they don't know what's wrong.
> > >
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25758 From: Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 11:20am
Subject: Re: Re: Jeep Noise
T/O will only make noise when you are stepping on the clutch pedal.
Otherwise the t/o is just sitting still.
I've seen T/O bearings bad out of the box, and others with really
short lives due to surface damage on the input bearing retainer.
14K stock miles or 14k on clutch replacement.... ?
-d
Dan Coley wrote:
>
> Well I just put new u-joints in the rear driveshaft, so that's all
> tight. I think I'm gonna pull the front DS and drive without it and
> see if that eliminates anything.
>
> I'm just wondering if it may be a throwout bearing or something
> similar. But I only have 14K miles on it.
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...> wrote:
> > So the noise only comes when coasting in neutral-
> >
> > A noise during coast is usually slack in the drivetrain in
> > some form. Stepping on the clutch relevies the engine
> > load (accel or decel).
> >
> > So loginally the culprit is either axle, d-shaft,t-case
> > or tranny.
> >
> > I know that's not a lot of help. Maybe a loose pinion?
> > How many miles on the chain driven t-case ? Probably
> > my best guess is a loose d-shaft yoke on the rear.
> >
> > Try driving w/o front d-shaft, then without rear and
> > that would narrow it down a bit.
> >
> > HTH,
> > -d
> >
> > Dan Coley wrote:
> > >
> > > Ok Darner says there is no problem with the cat. conv. which I
> > > expected. They also said that if you go 4 wheeling, then you void
> > > your warranty....funny how all the ads for Jeep so them off-road.
> > >
> > > Anyways, I've made some more specific conclusions to my problem:
> > > When coasting from speeds above 30mph or so, there is a consistant
> > > (but not very rotational) metallic noise coming from under the
> jeep.
> > > It only happens if the jeep is not in gear when slowing down (no
> > > power applied); the clutch pedal can be anywhere from engaged to
> not
> > > engaged.
> > >
> > > The clutch pedal can also be to the floor and the jeep in gear,
> and
> > > the noise is there.
> > >
> > > If you put the jeep in gear and slow using engine compression
> there
> > > is no noise.
> > >
> > > But it won't happen right after startup, the jeep has to be driven
> > > around for a while.
> > >
> > > There is no noise under power (except when you shift and the jeep
> is
> > > momentarily not in gear). There is no noise at idle and not
> moving.
> > > The loudness of the noise is related to speed at which you start
> > > slowing down from; barely hear it from 20mph, but it is VERY
> evident
> > > when getting off the freeway.
> > >
> > > Right as the noise starts you can also feel some sort of metallic
> > > connection made through the clutch pedal, but then it goes away.
> > >
> > > As far as I can tell it's not affecting performance or function at
> > > this time, and I'm not going to keep dumping money into the dealer
> > > only to be told they don't know what's wrong.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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25759 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 11:29am
Subject: Re: [Q] Modification mistakes....
Or, buy a snorkel kit, and get the fresh air from outside! No more engine
compartment heat going in!
Right James? BTW, how is it doing on gas mileage and torque?
Mike Baney
--- "Chris R." <my1stjeep@e...> wrote:
> Turbo City Air Intake: It is a metal tube which retains the heat from
> the
> engine and heats up the air heading into the throttle body. After
> installing it there was a test that was performed that tested a similar
> metal intake with a K&N to a stock intake to a stock intake with a K&N
> replacement. The stock set up with a K&N installed and the restrictor
> on
> the end removed gave the best overall performance gains, then the Metal
> intake tube came in second.
>
> I heard that Turbo City now makes a Plastic one, the one problem they
> still
> have not overcome is that it ends above the engine, where the stock one
> ends
> at the front where cooler air can be taken in.
>
> I do have better performance when the overall air temps outside are
> cooler
> and first thing in the morning, but on the ride home in the heat coupled
> with the engine heat and it does not perform nearly as well. There is
> an
> exhaust tape(looks like gauze) that I am going to wrap around it to
> attempt
> to insulate the tube. When used on headers it is to keep the heat in
> and
> make it exit through the exhaust, so I am hoping it will work to keep
> the
> heat off the metal tube and keep the tube cooler.
>
> Save the money and just install a K&N in the stock box or just add a
> cone
> intake where the box is at. I know the Airaid one puts it where the
> stock
> box is, but the overall price of $199 is outrageous for a 90 degree
> elbow
> and a K&N filter.
>
> Chris
> http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
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25760 From: <azyoyo7@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 7:32am
Subject: Thanks
I would like to thank Rick Beers a member who works at Dicount tire on Bell @
43Ave.He gave me the best deal I could find on a set of Super Swamper
TSL/SXs.He also put on a new set of lug nuts on all 4 tires for free. I will
be calling him if I need any more tires.
David 95 YJ
25761 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 11:38am
Subject: Re: [Q] Modification mistakes....
Where does the water go in heavy horiz. rain?
--- In az_vjc@y..., Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...> wrote:
> Or, buy a snorkel kit, and get the fresh air from outside! No more
engine
> compartment heat going in!
>
> Right James? BTW, how is it doing on gas mileage and torque?
>
> Mike Baney
>
>
> --- "Chris R." <my1stjeep@e...> wrote:
> > Turbo City Air Intake: It is a metal tube which retains the heat
from
> > the
> > engine and heats up the air heading into the throttle body. After
> > installing it there was a test that was performed that tested a
similar
> > metal intake with a K&N to a stock intake to a stock intake with
a K&N
> > replacement. The stock set up with a K&N installed and the
restrictor
> > on
> > the end removed gave the best overall performance gains, then the
Metal
> > intake tube came in second.
> >
> > I heard that Turbo City now makes a Plastic one, the one problem
they
> > still
> > have not overcome is that it ends above the engine, where the
stock one
> > ends
> > at the front where cooler air can be taken in.
> >
> > I do have better performance when the overall air temps outside
are
> > cooler
> > and first thing in the morning, but on the ride home in the heat
coupled
> > with the engine heat and it does not perform nearly as well.
There is
> > an
> > exhaust tape(looks like gauze) that I am going to wrap around it
to
> > attempt
> > to insulate the tube. When used on headers it is to keep the
heat in
> > and
> > make it exit through the exhaust, so I am hoping it will work to
keep
> > the
> > heat off the metal tube and keep the tube cooler.
> >
> > Save the money and just install a K&N in the stock box or just
add a
> > cone
> > intake where the box is at. I know the Airaid one puts it where
the
> > stock
> > box is, but the overall price of $199 is outrageous for a 90
degree
> > elbow
> > and a K&N filter.
> >
> > Chris
> > http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> > My1stJeep@e...
> > '97 TJ
> > ___
> > [___]
> > -(O|||||O)-
> > =======
> > [||]----O--[||]
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask
remains
> > a
> > fool forever."
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25762 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 0:10pm
Subject: RE: Re: [Q] Modification mistakes....
The water travels in through the snorkel intake and pools at the bottom
u-shaped "trap" at the bottom of the snorkel where it sits and is evaporated
by the air rushing by it on it's way to the intake manifold. Rest assured
that the water will not somehow be ingested in large enough quantities to
cause hydro-lock of the engine... unless of course the "heavy horizontal
rain" is actually you driving through a lake.
<grin>
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Coley [mailto:mt_b@y...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:38 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [Q] Modification mistakes....
>
>
> Where does the water go in heavy horiz. rain?
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...> wrote:
> > Or, buy a snorkel kit, and get the fresh air from outside! No more
> engine
> > compartment heat going in!
> >
> > Right James? BTW, how is it doing on gas mileage and torque?
> >
> > Mike Baney
> >
> >
> > --- "Chris R." <my1stjeep@e...> wrote:
> > > Turbo City Air Intake: It is a metal tube which retains the heat
> from
> > > the
> > > engine and heats up the air heading into the throttle body. After
> > > installing it there was a test that was performed that tested a
> similar
> > > metal intake with a K&N to a stock intake to a stock intake with
> a K&N
> > > replacement. The stock set up with a K&N installed and the
> restrictor
> > > on
> > > the end removed gave the best overall performance gains, then the
> Metal
> > > intake tube came in second.
> > >
> > > I heard that Turbo City now makes a Plastic one, the one problem
> they
> > > still
> > > have not overcome is that it ends above the engine, where the
> stock one
> > > ends
> > > at the front where cooler air can be taken in.
> > >
> > > I do have better performance when the overall air temps outside
> are
> > > cooler
> > > and first thing in the morning, but on the ride home in the heat
> coupled
> > > with the engine heat and it does not perform nearly as well.
> There is
> > > an
> > > exhaust tape(looks like gauze) that I am going to wrap around it
> to
> > > attempt
> > > to insulate the tube. When used on headers it is to keep the
> heat in
> > > and
> > > make it exit through the exhaust, so I am hoping it will work to
> keep
> > > the
> > > heat off the metal tube and keep the tube cooler.
> > >
> > > Save the money and just install a K&N in the stock box or just
> add a
> > > cone
> > > intake where the box is at. I know the Airaid one puts it where
> the
> > > stock
> > > box is, but the overall price of $199 is outrageous for a 90
> degree
> > > elbow
> > > and a K&N filter.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> > > My1stJeep@e...
> > > '97 TJ
> > > ___
> > > [___]
> > > -(O|||||O)-
> > > =======
> > > [||]----O--[||]
> > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not ask
> remains
> > > a
> > > fool forever."
> > >
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25763 From: <amstaff@e...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 0:13pm
Subject: Re: Thanks
Wow, this Rick seems to be doing a lot of folks right. I'll call him
next time I need tires, too.
David, I saw you a couple weeks ago on the 60. I was in the 4Runner,
not the Jeep. Anyway, wanted to tell you how cool that top looks on
your Jeep. Man, to tell the truth, I'm kinda sorry I got rid of it
now.
Dion
--- In az_vjc@y..., azyoyo7@a... wrote:
> I would like to thank Rick Beers a member who works at Dicount tire on Bell @
> 43Ave.He gave me the best deal I could find on a set of Super Swamper
> TSL/SXs.He also put on a new set of lug nuts on all 4 tires for free. I will
> be calling him if I need any more tires.
>
> David 95 YJ
25764 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 0:18pm
Subject: Re: [Q] Modification mistakes....
I didn't actually make it "through" the lake, just in. =)
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> wrote:
> The water travels in through the snorkel intake and pools at the
bottom
> u-shaped "trap" at the bottom of the snorkel where it sits and is
evaporated
> by the air rushing by it on it's way to the intake manifold. Rest
assured
> that the water will not somehow be ingested in large enough
quantities to
> cause hydro-lock of the engine... unless of course the "heavy
horizontal
> rain" is actually you driving through a lake.
> <grin>
>
> Joe West
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dan Coley [mailto:mt_b@y...]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 11:38 AM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [Q] Modification mistakes....
> >
> >
> > Where does the water go in heavy horiz. rain?
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...> wrote:
> > > Or, buy a snorkel kit, and get the fresh air from outside! No
more
> > engine
> > > compartment heat going in!
> > >
> > > Right James? BTW, how is it doing on gas mileage and torque?
> > >
> > > Mike Baney
> > >
> > >
> > > --- "Chris R." <my1stjeep@e...> wrote:
> > > > Turbo City Air Intake: It is a metal tube which retains the
heat
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > engine and heats up the air heading into the throttle body.
After
> > > > installing it there was a test that was performed that tested
a
> > similar
> > > > metal intake with a K&N to a stock intake to a stock intake
with
> > a K&N
> > > > replacement. The stock set up with a K&N installed and the
> > restrictor
> > > > on
> > > > the end removed gave the best overall performance gains, then
the
> > Metal
> > > > intake tube came in second.
> > > >
> > > > I heard that Turbo City now makes a Plastic one, the one
problem
> > they
> > > > still
> > > > have not overcome is that it ends above the engine, where the
> > stock one
> > > > ends
> > > > at the front where cooler air can be taken in.
> > > >
> > > > I do have better performance when the overall air temps
outside
> > are
> > > > cooler
> > > > and first thing in the morning, but on the ride home in the
heat
> > coupled
> > > > with the engine heat and it does not perform nearly as well.
> > There is
> > > > an
> > > > exhaust tape(looks like gauze) that I am going to wrap around
it
> > to
> > > > attempt
> > > > to insulate the tube. When used on headers it is to keep the
> > heat in
> > > > and
> > > > make it exit through the exhaust, so I am hoping it will work
to
> > keep
> > > > the
> > > > heat off the metal tube and keep the tube cooler.
> > > >
> > > > Save the money and just install a K&N in the stock box or just
> > add a
> > > > cone
> > > > intake where the box is at. I know the Airaid one puts it
where
> > the
> > > > stock
> > > > box is, but the overall price of $199 is outrageous for a 90
> > degree
> > > > elbow
> > > > and a K&N filter.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > > http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> > > > My1stJeep@e...
> > > > '97 TJ
> > > > ___
> > > > [___]
> > > > -(O|||||O)-
> > > > =======
> > > > [||]----O--[||]
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > > "He who asks is a fool for five minutes, but he who does not
ask
> > remains
> > > > a
> > > > fool forever."
> > > >
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25765 From: Bill Aylesworth <julbill@r...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 0:40pm
Subject: Re: Is Anyone using Yahoo Messenger?
I'm on everyday! I have a deaf co-worker and justified
Yahoo messenger, and internet access as a business
expense. My ID is Billyayle.
Bill A.
55M38A1
--- Tomie Skramstad <mudmaid@y...> wrote:
> I use Yahoo messenger all the time. Do a lot of
> people
> on this list chat on Yahoo?
>
> ~ Tomie
> Yahoo SN - mudmaid
>
>
> --- Rick Hall <rnealh@y...> wrote:
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> > since
> > we all have Yahoo ID's.
> >
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25766 From: David Burke <davewburke@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 0:47pm
Subject: Re: Fuel Cell's and Emissions Testing
I am assuming that you will, anticipate problems with the fuel system
pressure test portion. This is where they pinch off the vent line that goes
from your tank to the canister, at the canister, and pressurize the fuel tank
at the fill nozzle with a couple of psi of air. I am assuming that there must
be a way around that as there are many street legal sand rails that run fuel
cells on the streets.
I would call a place that builds rails and see how they get around it. I am
thinking that the type of motors that they are using in rails didn't come
with a charcoal canister in the first place, thus not requiring one for
emissions. Yours did come with one, and they may require you to modify the
fuel cell to incorporate the vent lines.
-Trick-cj
jeeperaz@q... wrote:
> Im putting a fuel cell in there bed of my CJ and getting rid of the
> stock tank.
>
> Should anticipate problems with passing the equipment portion of the
> emissions test.... Is it legal?
>
> Regards,
> LarryM
>
>
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25767 From: Bill Aylesworth <julbill@r...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 0:52pm
Subject: Re: Re: Jeep Noise
I have the same noise with my rear driveshaft. I was
thinking that it was the T-case. but upon inspection
it is ok. (or seems that way) Mine puts out a DEADLY
noise!! it is really bad at speed. My next cure is to
put a new CV driveshaft in. my angles are really bad
and the splined section of the driveshaft has play in
it.
Exact same thing as your though. no noise untill the
driveline is unloaded. I even took out the rear
driveshaft and drove around on the front only. ZERO
noise!! put the rear DS back in, and you scare
children on the sidewalk.
If you find out what it is let me know. I have to put
a driveshaft in mine reguardless now. (stupid rock!
Big Dent!)
Bill A.
55M38A1
--- Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...>
wrote:
> T/O will only make noise when you are stepping on
> the clutch pedal.
> Otherwise the t/o is just sitting still.
>
> I've seen T/O bearings bad out of the box, and
> others with really
> short lives due to surface damage on the input
> bearing retainer.
> 14K stock miles or 14k on clutch replacement.... ?
>
> -d
>
> Dan Coley wrote:
> >
> > Well I just put new u-joints in the rear
> driveshaft, so that's all
> > tight. I think I'm gonna pull the front DS and
> drive without it and
> > see if that eliminates anything.
> >
> > I'm just wondering if it may be a throwout bearing
> or something
> > similar. But I only have 14K miles on it.
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...>
> wrote:
> > > So the noise only comes when coasting in
> neutral-
> > >
> > > A noise during coast is usually slack in the
> drivetrain in
> > > some form. Stepping on the clutch relevies the
> engine
> > > load (accel or decel).
> > >
> > > So loginally the culprit is either axle,
> d-shaft,t-case
> > > or tranny.
> > >
> > > I know that's not a lot of help. Maybe a loose
> pinion?
> > > How many miles on the chain driven t-case ?
> Probably
> > > my best guess is a loose d-shaft yoke on the
> rear.
> > >
> > > Try driving w/o front d-shaft, then without rear
> and
> > > that would narrow it down a bit.
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > > -d
> > >
> > > Dan Coley wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ok Darner says there is no problem with the
> cat. conv. which I
> > > > expected. They also said that if you go 4
> wheeling, then you void
> > > > your warranty....funny how all the ads for
> Jeep so them off-road.
> > > >
> > > > Anyways, I've made some more specific
> conclusions to my problem:
> > > > When coasting from speeds above 30mph or so,
> there is a consistant
> > > > (but not very rotational) metallic noise
> coming from under the
> > jeep.
> > > > It only happens if the jeep is not in gear
> when slowing down (no
> > > > power applied); the clutch pedal can be
> anywhere from engaged to
> > not
> > > > engaged.
> > > >
> > > > The clutch pedal can also be to the floor and
> the jeep in gear,
> > and
> > > > the noise is there.
> > > >
> > > > If you put the jeep in gear and slow using
> engine compression
> > there
> > > > is no noise.
> > > >
> > > > But it won't happen right after startup, the
> jeep has to be driven
> > > > around for a while.
> > > >
> > > > There is no noise under power (except when you
> shift and the jeep
> > is
> > > > momentarily not in gear). There is no noise
> at idle and not
> > moving.
> > > > The loudness of the noise is related to speed
> at which you start
> > > > slowing down from; barely hear it from 20mph,
> but it is VERY
> > evident
> > > > when getting off the freeway.
> > > >
> > > > Right as the noise starts you can also feel
> some sort of metallic
> > > > connection made through the clutch pedal, but
> then it goes away.
> > > >
> > > > As far as I can tell it's not affecting
> performance or function at
> > > > this time, and I'm not going to keep dumping
> money into the dealer
> > > > only to be told they don't know what's wrong.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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25768 From: Brent Lizakowski <brent_lizakowski@h...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 1:18pm
Subject: Re: [Q] Modification mistakes....
Chris,
Just curious, where'd you see that test at? I'd like to take a look at
the results.
FWIW, I've got a TC air tube. I didn't really buy it for its
performance gains, mainly just so I could make some room under my hood
for my York compressor.
Also, I think only the YJ's have those restrictors in them. Maybe I'm
wrong though.
Does having the intake just above the hood really make a huge
difference when it's 120 degrees out??? ;)
Brent
25769 From: Sullivan, Len <kermit@e...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 1:59pm
Subject: they actually printed it.......
Wow.....I didn't expect the Republic to actually print my letter to the
editor.
http://www.arizonarepublic.com/opinions/articles/0621thurlet211.html
Len Sullivan
VDT Coordinator
CSK Automotive, Inc.
602.631.7845
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25770 From: David W. Smith <dwsmith69@h...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 2:01pm
Subject: Re: Fuel Cell's and Emissions Testing
I installed a fuel cell in the back of my Datsun 240Z right below the hatch
back. They never hassled me about the fuel cell. But with the V-8 under the
hood I got a lot questions each time. But they alway's passed it.
>From: jeeperaz@q...
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Fuel Cell's and Emissions Testing
>Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:28:07 -0000
>
>Im putting a fuel cell in there bed of my CJ and getting rid of the
>stock tank.
>
>Should anticipate problems with passing the equipment portion of the
>emissions test.... Is it legal?
>
>Regards,
>LarryM
>
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25771 From: James Smith <jeepinsmitty@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 2:09pm
Subject: Buying a newJeep...??????
Ok, I know htis thread was discussed about a week or
two ago. But, I have one more question.
Ok, this time it is not about Buying a new Jeep, but
Leasing it. My boss is looking at trading in her TJ
for a new Grand Cherokee. I saw the lease proposal
yesterday and saw that they are charging her MSRP.
So my question is that will the steps that were
outlined before about doing the research on the net
and finding what I want to pay for the Jeep and making
them accept my price, work for a lease? Or has anybody
had any dealing with this subject?
Any help would be greatly appreciated, by both me and
my boss.
Thanks a bunch,
Smitty
95' YJ
In need of a lift..
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25772 From: Scott Legge <scottlegge@h...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 2:03pm
Subject: Re: Fuel Cell's and Emissions Testing
In regards to this I know a guy who runs a fuel cell in his trunk. He plugs
the main inlet line just to pass emissions. I know its illegal as h-e(double
hockey stick) but They told him there was no way around it. He has a dummy
line. He takes off his real fill hose and puts the other one thats plugged
on one end and they ***** about not much volume (of air) going in and he
says his tank is full. he also puts a couple ounces of gas down the dummy
hose for the smell or if they suck a sample. :) The lengths some people go
to for performance <shrug>. I think its worth the extra safety for the
person driving the vehicle to even ***** at them about vapors... JMO
Scott Legge
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Burke" <davewburke@y...>
To: <jeeperaz@q...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Fuel Cell's and Emissions Testing
> I am assuming that you will, anticipate problems with the fuel system
> pressure test portion. This is where they pinch off the vent line that
goes
> from your tank to the canister, at the canister, and pressurize the fuel
tank
> at the fill nozzle with a couple of psi of air. I am assuming that there
must
> be a way around that as there are many street legal sand rails that run
fuel
> cells on the streets.
>
> I would call a place that builds rails and see how they get around it. I
am
> thinking that the type of motors that they are using in rails didn't come
> with a charcoal canister in the first place, thus not requiring one for
> emissions. Yours did come with one, and they may require you to modify the
> fuel cell to incorporate the vent lines.
>
> -Trick-cj
>
> jeeperaz@q... wrote:
>
> > Im putting a fuel cell in there bed of my CJ and getting rid of the
> > stock tank.
> >
> > Should anticipate problems with passing the equipment portion of the
> > emissions test.... Is it legal?
> >
> > Regards,
> > LarryM
> >
> >
> >
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25773 From: <amstaff@e...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 2:40pm
Subject: Bolts needed, please help
Hi all: I need the bolts that hold the soft top tub rails to the tub.
This is for a YJ; don't know if TJs are the same. They're Torx bolts
with the flat plate nut on the bottom.
If anyone has some they would sell or otherwise part with, I'd
appreciate it. I need 6 or 8 of them total. Drop me a line if you've
got some and I'll come get them at your convenience. I will be out of
town until Sunday, so don't worry if you don't hear back right away.
You can reach me at amstaff@e... or 480.460.0399. Thanks.
Dion
25774 From: Dale Domingue <rogueforce1@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 3:11pm
Subject: Re: Is Anyone using Yahoo Messenger?
what about the chat room for the group on yahoo groups? does anyone ever chat there?
Tomie Skramstad wrote:
I use Yahoo messenger all the time. Do a lot of people
on this list chat on Yahoo?
~ Tomie
Yahoo SN - mudmaid
--- Rick Hall wrote:
> It seems to work this time. I was just curious
> since
> we all have Yahoo ID's.
>
> Rick
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25775 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 3:15pm
Subject: [FS] 93 yj for sale
Price: 6100
Contact: Nick 4809620490
The "Little Mule" is for sale. you can see pics of it at my member listing, under Nicholas Lara. It was for 6500 but the guy who was supposed to paint it can't do it for another month, so I took Off 400 bucks. I also have a 1" body lift still in box. It has a 2" body lift now. It has a SOA, 35" mts with full spare, good shape, nice int.(grey) Black soft top.
Nicholas L.
25776 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 3:15pm
Subject: [FS] 93 yj for sale
Price: 6100
Contact: Nick 4809620490
The "Little Mule" is for sale. you can see pics of it at my member listing, under Nicholas Lara. It was for 6500 but the guy who was supposed to paint it can't do it for another month, so I took Off 400 bucks. I also have a 1" body lift still in box. It has a 2" body lift now. It has a SOA, 35" mts with full spare, good shape, nice int.(grey) Black soft top. 90k
Nicholas L.
25777 From: <nickcarrie@h...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 3:18pm
Subject: sorry for the double post
25778 From: Daddy Longlegs <osmtj@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 3:26pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Noise
Those are words to think about. Darner is definitely one to stay away from. Offroading voids the warranty? How ridiculous. Remember how DC introduced the Liberty to the public coming down that big rock at the show? I suppose that was a parking lot at the neighborhood grocery, huh ;) I for one say boycott them and try another. I have had the best service at Glendale Jeep. The service manager I deal with is Kim Rhymes. Call and ask for her. She never once complained about the 35's on my TJ.
Scott
Dan Coley wrote:
Ok so Darner says no problem with cat. converter, which I expected.
They also told me if you go 4wheeling, you void your warranty...but
that's a different topic.
After driving the jeep some more I've made the following conclusions,
which are very specific:
I've now determined that it does it whenever the jeep is
decelerating, but only if you don't have it in gear. If you put it
in gear (and have engine compression upon slowing down), no noise; if
you put it in neutral (clutch pedal up or down) lots of metallic
noise. In other words I can make the jeep make the noise depending
on clutch positin/gear postion (neutral vs. any gear).
You can also kind of feel some sort of abnormal contact through the
clutch petal right as it starts.
Will do it under acceleration sometimes, but always under
deceleration. I guess I'm thinking it may be something in the
clutch.
The other problem is that it only does it after driving the jeep for
a few minutes, never right after startup. Which is the reason that
the dealer didn't hear anything, because they wouldn't drive it long
enough.
Anyone had these symptons before?
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25779 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 3:56pm
Subject: [FS] Super Swampers on Eagle Alloys for sale
Price: 500
Contact: Contact me at: bermboy@hotmail.com or 480-236-5090
33X15.50 Super Swamper TSL SX Steel Belted Tires mounted on 15X10 Eagle Alloy 589's (Baja design) 75% tread left Center caps included, about 1200 new, will sell for 500
Scott Maiden
25780 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Thu Jun 21, 2001 0:35pm
Subject: Saturday, June 23 night run
I just tried posting a night run on the club web server and my 10 minutes of
detailed typing ended in a Server 500 error. So I am posting it here
instead.
When: 5:30 PM (prompt) Saturday, June 23
Where: mile marker #11 on the Carefree Highway (aka, Highway 74), about 8~9
miles west of Lake Pleasent Marina turnoff
Channel: 4
Trail name: Tin Can Alley
Duration: ~6 hours
A little bit of something for everyone on this trail. Yes, stock Jeeps can
make it...maybe with a tow strap (been used before) in one or two places.
Locked Jeeps can try the harder obstacles and impress everyone. Bypasses
are available on the hard obstacles.
Depending on how many people come and how many drivers pick the fun lines on
obstacles, we can get done by midnight (usually). It takes about an hour to
get back to Phoenix from there so plan on a late night, OK? That way you
won't stress when you realize you told the babysitter you would be home by
10:00.
Hope to see some folks there. I'll try to get this on the website but don't
hold your breath. (I hate servers!)
Prior run details and pics at
http://www.stu-offroad.com/others/other17-1.htm
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com