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25555 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 11:28am
Subject: Re: Re: Annihilator
I watched a group of guys/gals go up it that were here from Colorado. All of
the CJ7's (3 or 4) were running 38.5" TSL/SX's. There were two short
wheelbased ones (Sami and Willy) that were running 35's. All were fuel
injected and well setup. I watched the first 3 people (2 CJ7's and a
Willy's) get up the first waterfall without too much problem. The second
waterfall was a problem!! I couldn't hang around after that, but the trail
made my mouth water!!!! Haven't run it yet.......maybe soon...............
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25556 From: Tomie Skramstad <mudmaid@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 11:53am
Subject: Re: So long..
Good Luck Kelly, I'm here in WA, so hopefully after
you get settled you'll let me take you wheeling.
~ Tomie
--- Kelly McCormick <fxyjeep@h...> wrote:
> Well I'm off to WA at the wee early hours of 4 am
> tommorrow, so just wanted
> to leave a post saying thanks to those of you who
> helped me out with my
> jeep, (you know who you are), and to let anyone know
> that if they are ever
> up that way, give me an email. Thanks, oohh and Eric
> my jeep will always be
> bigger!!:)Later
> Kelly
>
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25557 From: <sfugatejeremy75@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 8:09am
Subject: Re: Coil spacer question
I dont know if its necessary but on some lifts but, I have pro comp 4"
springs and the weight of the winch made the front end dip a little. So I
used 1 3/4 spacers in the front to even it out. It probably depends on what
kind of springs your running some are softer then others.
Jeremy TJ 2000
25558 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 0:17pm
Subject: [FS] Need half doors.....
Contact: michael.sturn@bannerhealth.com
Need half doors for 99 tj.
Michael Sturn
25559 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 2:15pm
Subject: RE: Re: Annihilator
Anyone have PICs?
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:25 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
The fist waterfall is soooooo nasty that I think most sensible people
would decide against attempting it. And, for those that might consider
attempting it, make sure you climb up and over the waterfall first to
take a peak at the second obstacle. Pay particular attention to all
the scrape marks on the rocks and walls. ;-}
-Roger
Dan Coley wrote:
>
> The description really doesn't do that any justice. The only thing
> it does is invite people out to see it, decide if they just move ALOT
> of rocks then they can make it, which makes it easier and less
> challenging.
>
> There aren't that many really hard trails left around here, I would
> hate to see a good new one made easy.
> M2C
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25560 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 2:26pm
Subject: Re: Re: Annihilator
I have never seen any posted anywhere.
Ross Skinner wrote:
>
> Anyone have PICs?
>
> Ross
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:25 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
>
> The first waterfall is soooooo nasty that I think most sensible people
> would decide against attempting it. And, for those that might consider
> attempting it, make sure you climb up and over the waterfall first to
> take a peak at the second obstacle. Pay particular attention to all
> the scrape marks on the rocks and walls. ;-}
25561 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 2:27pm
Subject: Re: Annihilator
I'll have pics as soon as I watch you go up it Ross, eh?
--- In az_vjc@y..., Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...> wrote:
> Anyone have PICs?
>
> Ross
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:25 AM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
>
>
> The fist waterfall is soooooo nasty that I think most sensible
people
> would decide against attempting it. And, for those that might
consider
> attempting it, make sure you climb up and over the waterfall first
to
> take a peak at the second obstacle. Pay particular attention to all
> the scrape marks on the rocks and walls. ;-}
>
> -Roger
>
> Dan Coley wrote:
> >
> > The description really doesn't do that any justice. The only
thing
> > it does is invite people out to see it, decide if they just move
ALOT
> > of rocks then they can make it, which makes it easier and less
> > challenging.
> >
> > There aren't that many really hard trails left around here, I
would
> > hate to see a good new one made easy.
> > M2C
>
>
>
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25562 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 2:27pm
Subject: RE: Re: Annihilator
Sounds like a night run. I have not been out in two months...
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Coley [mailto:mt_b@y...]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 2:27 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
I'll have pics as soon as I watch you go up it Ross, eh?
--- In az_vjc@y..., Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...> wrote:
> Anyone have PICs?
>
> Ross
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:25 AM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
>
>
> The fist waterfall is soooooo nasty that I think most sensible
people
> would decide against attempting it. And, for those that might
consider
> attempting it, make sure you climb up and over the waterfall first
to
> take a peak at the second obstacle. Pay particular attention to all
> the scrape marks on the rocks and walls. ;-}
>
> -Roger
>
> Dan Coley wrote:
> >
> > The description really doesn't do that any justice. The only
thing
> > it does is invite people out to see it, decide if they just move
ALOT
> > of rocks then they can make it, which makes it easier and less
> > challenging.
> >
> > There aren't that many really hard trails left around here, I
would
> > hate to see a good new one made easy.
> > M2C
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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25563 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 4:21pm
Subject: RE: Re: Annihilator
Ross you may want to make a trip out there to check it out first. The first
two waterfalls are very interesting. We went back quite a ways about 4 to 5
water falls they did not get any harder but one of them is interesting also.
We did not get to the end I do not know what else is on it. Let me know when
you want to go I will take pics for you. Jim F.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s...]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 2:27 PM
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
Sounds like a night run. I have not been out in two months...
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Coley [mailto:mt_b@y...]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 2:27 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
I'll have pics as soon as I watch you go up it Ross, eh?
--- In az_vjc@y..., Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...> wrote:
> Anyone have PICs?
>
> Ross
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:25 AM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
>
>
> The fist waterfall is soooooo nasty that I think most sensible
people
> would decide against attempting it. And, for those that might
consider
> attempting it, make sure you climb up and over the waterfall first
to
> take a peak at the second obstacle. Pay particular attention to all
> the scrape marks on the rocks and walls. ;-}
>
> -Roger
>
> Dan Coley wrote:
> >
> > The description really doesn't do that any justice. The only
thing
> > it does is invite people out to see it, decide if they just move
ALOT
> > of rocks then they can make it, which makes it easier and less
> > challenging.
> >
> > There aren't that many really hard trails left around here, I
would
> > hate to see a good new one made easy.
> > M2C
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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25564 From: <amstaff@e...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 4:48pm
Subject: Still can't get TeraLow 4:1 for YJ
Having been waiting for about two months now for a TeraLow 4:1 unit
for my NP231, I guess I'm a little peeved.
In the beginning of May, Tera said they'd have units by the end of
May. No deal. Last week, they said they've have them by the end of the
week. No deal.
Just got off the phone with them and now they're saying it'll be at
least the end of the month.
What gives? It's so frustrating to have the $$ for a needed mod and
have the manufacturer dragging its feet.
I guess when you have a monopoly on a part, you can do whatever you
want. I wish there was another option (can't afford the Atlas).
Anyone know a distributor with 4:1s in stock at a reasonable price
(~$900)? I'm really frustrated.
Dion
25565 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 5:12pm
Subject: [FS] 4- 31x10.50x15 BFG MUD T/A
$350
Contact: P35X1250X15@AOL.COM
AROUND 1500 MILES EXCELLENT CONDITION
25566 From: <P35X1250X15@A...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 1:14pm
Subject: TIRES 4 SALE
I HAVE 4 BFG MUD TERRAIN WITH AROUND 1500 MILES IN EXCELLENT SHAPE WILL TAKE
$350
PEANUTS PRIDE
25567 From: <Jeep2Deep@c...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 1:32pm
Subject: New Member Introduction.
Hello AZVJC members. I signed up yesterday and just wanted to take a moment
to introduce myself. My name is Joe Pollick and my self explanatory moniker
is Jeep2Deep. My junk is a 1999 TJ with all of the usual mods for a TJ plus a
snorkel for the Florida mud that can quickly become water much deeper than it
appears, rapidly.
A friend of mine here in West Central Florida and AZVJC member Eric Hermann
brought this list to my attention and we are already discussing a
Trans-American trip out to Az............See you then.
Joe Pollick
25568 From: Frank and Amanda Zepeda <zepeda199@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 5:46pm
Subject: amc engine
I apoligize if I confused anyone. Yes I meant an I-6
not a v-6 sorry for the mistake. I wasn't paying
careful enough attention when I typed the first
message. My friend is looking for an amc I-6, need
not be in great condition but that would be a bonus.
It must be running though. I am not exactly how much
he is willing to pay because he is out of town right
now. I will find out as soon as he gets back. Thanks
again Frank
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25569 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 6:27pm
Subject: Re: New Member Introduction.
Welcome.
We are really becoming a national non-club. How many out of state members do we have? Chime in if you don't live in AZ please.
From: Jeep2Deep@cs.com
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:32:29 EDT
To: AZ_VJC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] New Member Introduction.
Hello AZVJC members. I signed up yesterday and just wanted to take a moment
to introduce myself. My name is Joe Pollick and my self explanatory moniker
is Jeep2Deep. My junk is a 1999 TJ with all of the usual mods for a TJ plus a
snorkel for the Florida mud that can quickly become water much deeper than it
appears, rapidly.
A friend of mine here in West Central Florida and AZVJC member Eric Hermann
brought this list to my attention and we are already discussing a
Trans-American trip out to Az............See you then.
Joe Pollick
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25570 From: AzVJC Website <scoopman_2000@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 6:27pm
Subject: [FS] Still got wheels and tires.....
$200
Contact: uf_rulz@yahoo.com
I still have my 5 stocker 15x8 gambler style wheels from my TJ along with tires. 4 of the tires have probably about 5K left on them and there is a new spare. Oh....they are BFG 31x10.50 KO's. The wheels are in really great shape. I'm asking $200 or best offer. Thanks!
Aaron
Aaron Gale
25571 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 7:47pm
Subject: RE: New Member Introduction.
Welcome Joe.....looking forward to your coming out this way!
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeep2Deep@cs.com [mailto:Jeep2Deep@cs.com]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 5:32 PM
To: AZ_VJC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] New Member Introduction.
Hello AZVJC members. I signed up yesterday and just wanted to take a moment
to introduce myself. My name is Joe Pollick and my self explanatory moniker
is Jeep2Deep. My junk is a 1999 TJ with all of the usual mods for a TJ plus a
snorkel for the Florida mud that can quickly become water much deeper than it
appears, rapidly.
A friend of mine here in West Central Florida and AZVJC member Eric Hermann
brought this list to my attention and we are already discussing a
Trans-American trip out to Az............See you then.
Joe Pollick
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25572 From: Joey K <joey@j...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 7:46pm
Subject: RE: New Member Introduction.
It would be cool to make it out on T-Shirt Day run. Then you could take home some souvenirs. Besides the other souvenirs you will get on the trail. :-)
I look forward to seeing you people.
Joey K
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeep2Deep@cs.com [mailto:Jeep2Deep@cs.com]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 5:32 PM
To: AZ_VJC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] New Member Introduction.
Hello AZVJC members. I signed up yesterday and just wanted to take a moment
to introduce myself. My name is Joe Pollick and my self explanatory moniker
is Jeep2Deep. My junk is a 1999 TJ with all of the usual mods for a TJ plus a
snorkel for the Florida mud that can quickly become water much deeper than it
appears, rapidly.
A friend of mine here in West Central Florida and AZVJC member Eric Hermann
brought this list to my attention and we are already discussing a
Trans-American trip out to Az............See you then.
Joe Pollick
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25573 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 8:07pm
Subject: Re: New Member Introduction.
Welcome, and looking forward to some runs w/ you Gators.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeep2Deep@cs.com
To: AZ_VJC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 5:32 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] New Member Introduction.
Hello AZVJC members. I signed up yesterday and just wanted to take a moment
to introduce myself. My name is Joe Pollick and my self explanatory moniker
is Jeep2Deep. My junk is a 1999 TJ with all of the usual mods for a TJ plus a
snorkel for the Florida mud that can quickly become water much deeper than it
appears, rapidly.
A friend of mine here in West Central Florida and AZVJC member Eric Hermann
brought this list to my attention and we are already discussing a
Trans-American trip out to Az............See you then.
Joe Pollick
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25574 From: AzVJC Website <rickandvanda@p...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 8:05pm
Subject: [FS] WANTED--3.54 gears for a Front Chrysler Dana 44
Contact: rickandvanda@prodigy.net
Wanted. Ring and pinion gears for a front Dana 44. Its for a dodge truck that a friend owns. Name your price.
Rick Norman
25575 From: Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 8:06pm
Subject: Locked up front/Wednesday night outing??
I got my Lock-Right installed and it seems to be functional. I need a
test run before I'll know for sure. At first I thought I could install
it without removing the carrier, but I couldn't get the cross-shaft
retaining pin out. Once I decided to remove the carrier, everything came
out easy and went back in easy. I have a 'thin' ring gear so the
cross-shaft comes out without removing it. I marked the bearing caps and
races and put them back exactly the way they came out. I recovered the
thrust washers and put them in behind the drivers. I filled the diff
with 140w gear oil. I even replaced the worn-out brake pads (thanks Auto
Zone lifetime warranty)
I test dove it on my driveway and 23rd Ave, (all dirt roads where I
live) and it definitely feels locked in 4H and 4L, and unlocks nicely in
2H
Can't wait to try it out! I can't do it Tuesday, but how about a
Wednesday night Raw Deal or Terminator? I would like to go around 7:30.
Any takers?
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25576 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 7:59pm
Subject: RE: Re: Annihilator
Is it considered harder then H2H?
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: Hackle
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 6/18/01 4:21 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
Ross you may want to make a trip out there to check it out
first. The first
two waterfalls are very interesting. We went back quite a ways about 4
to 5
water falls they did not get any harder but one of them is interesting
also.
We did not get to the end I do not know what else is on it. Let me know
when
you want to go I will take pics for you. Jim F.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s...]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 2:27 PM
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
Sounds like a night run. I have not been out in two months...
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Coley [mailto:mt_b@y...]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 2:27 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
I'll have pics as soon as I watch you go up it Ross, eh?
--- In az_vjc@y..., Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...> wrote:
> Anyone have PICs?
>
> Ross
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:25 AM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
>
>
> The fist waterfall is soooooo nasty that I think most sensible
people
> would decide against attempting it. And, for those that might
consider
> attempting it, make sure you climb up and over the waterfall first
to
> take a peak at the second obstacle. Pay particular attention to all
> the scrape marks on the rocks and walls. ;-}
>
> -Roger
>
> Dan Coley wrote:
> >
> > The description really doesn't do that any justice. The only
thing
> > it does is invite people out to see it, decide if they just move
ALOT
> > of rocks then they can make it, which makes it easier and less
> > challenging.
> >
> > There aren't that many really hard trails left around here, I
would
> > hate to see a good new one made easy.
> > M2C
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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25577 From: <amstaff@e...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 8:41pm
Subject: Re: Annihilator
Ross: Having done H2H and only walked
Annihilator, I'd say Annihilator is
substantially more difficult.
Where you been? I broke my new Tom Wood
long-travel driveshaft in a chute at the end
of Firebird Saturday night.
Dion
--- In az_vjc@y..., Ross Skinner <
rskinner@s...> wrote:
> Is it considered harder then H2H?
> Ross
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hackle
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Sent: 6/18/01 4:21 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
>
> Ross you may want to make a trip out there to check it out
> first. The first
> two waterfalls are very interesting. We went back quite a ways about 4
> to 5
> water falls they did not get any harder but one of them is interesting
> also.
> We did not get to the end I do not know what else is on it. Let me know
> when
> you want to go I will take pics for you. Jim F.
>
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
> http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s...]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 2:27 PM
> To: 'az_vjc@y...'
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
>
> Sounds like a night run. I have not been out in two months...
> Ross
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Coley [mailto:mt_b@y...]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 2:27 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
>
>
> I'll have pics as soon as I watch you go up it Ross, eh?
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...> wrote:
> > Anyone have PICs?
> >
> > Ross
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:25 AM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
> >
> >
> > The fist waterfall is soooooo nasty that I think most sensible
> people
> > would decide against attempting it. And, for those that might
> consider
> > attempting it, make sure you climb up and over the waterfall first
> to
> > take a peak at the second obstacle. Pay particular attention to all
> > the scrape marks on the rocks and walls. ;-}
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> > Dan Coley wrote:
> > >
> > > The description really doesn't do that any justice. The only
> thing
> > > it does is invite people out to see it, decide if they just move
> ALOT
> > > of rocks then they can make it, which makes it easier and less
> > > challenging.
> > >
> > > There aren't that many really hard trails left around here, I
> would
> > > hate to see a good new one made easy.
> > > M2C
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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>
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>
>
>
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25578 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 8:48pm
Subject: Re: Still can't get TeraLow 4:1 for YJ
You should try getting Revolver Shackles out of them!! Same story. Almost
like the movie "The Money Pit". "How much longer?" "Oh......2 weeks!". 2
MONTHS later, one set!
Just venting..............
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25579 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 8:54pm
Subject: Re: Re: Annihilator
I usually don't like to disagree with people on opinions on trails and their
difficulty (because it is subjective.....highly subjective) but I would say
that Annihilator is not "substantially" harder than H2H. H2H is MUCH longer
with more obstacles. Annihilator has 3 hard obstacles where I've seen the
first one look easier than H2H's hardest and the second equal to H2H's
hardest (I'm thinking of the giant water fall on H2H about in the middle that
you pretty much need a winch to get up due to a short wheel based Jeep).
Annihilator is certainly do-able without a winch (I've seen it done) as well
as H2H probably is. They are hard in their own way. But I would rate
Annihilator as not substantially harder. More like.....the same......yet
different. <big grin>
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25555 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 11:28am
Subject: Re: Re: Annihilator
I watched a group of guys/gals go up it that were here from Colorado. All of
the CJ7's (3 or 4) were running 38.5" TSL/SX's. There were two short
wheelbased ones (Sami and Willy) that were running 35's. All were fuel
injected and well setup. I watched the first 3 people (2 CJ7's and a
Willy's) get up the first waterfall without too much problem. The second
waterfall was a problem!! I couldn't hang around after that, but the trail
made my mouth water!!!! Haven't run it yet.......maybe soon...............
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25556 From: Tomie Skramstad <mudmaid@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 11:53am
Subject: Re: So long..
Good Luck Kelly, I'm here in WA, so hopefully after
you get settled you'll let me take you wheeling.
~ Tomie
--- Kelly McCormick <fxyjeep@h...> wrote:
> Well I'm off to WA at the wee early hours of 4 am
> tommorrow, so just wanted
> to leave a post saying thanks to those of you who
> helped me out with my
> jeep, (you know who you are), and to let anyone know
> that if they are ever
> up that way, give me an email. Thanks, oohh and Eric
> my jeep will always be
> bigger!!:)Later
> Kelly
>
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25557 From: <sfugatejeremy75@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 8:09am
Subject: Re: Coil spacer question
I dont know if its necessary but on some lifts but, I have pro comp 4"
springs and the weight of the winch made the front end dip a little. So I
used 1 3/4 spacers in the front to even it out. It probably depends on what
kind of springs your running some are softer then others.
Jeremy TJ 2000
25558 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 0:17pm
Subject: [FS] Need half doors.....
Contact: michael.sturn@bannerhealth.com
Need half doors for 99 tj.
Michael Sturn
25559 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 2:15pm
Subject: RE: Re: Annihilator
Anyone have PICs?
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:25 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
The fist waterfall is soooooo nasty that I think most sensible people
would decide against attempting it. And, for those that might consider
attempting it, make sure you climb up and over the waterfall first to
take a peak at the second obstacle. Pay particular attention to all
the scrape marks on the rocks and walls. ;-}
-Roger
Dan Coley wrote:
>
> The description really doesn't do that any justice. The only thing
> it does is invite people out to see it, decide if they just move ALOT
> of rocks then they can make it, which makes it easier and less
> challenging.
>
> There aren't that many really hard trails left around here, I would
> hate to see a good new one made easy.
> M2C
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25560 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 2:26pm
Subject: Re: Re: Annihilator
I have never seen any posted anywhere.
Ross Skinner wrote:
>
> Anyone have PICs?
>
> Ross
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:25 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
>
> The first waterfall is soooooo nasty that I think most sensible people
> would decide against attempting it. And, for those that might consider
> attempting it, make sure you climb up and over the waterfall first to
> take a peak at the second obstacle. Pay particular attention to all
> the scrape marks on the rocks and walls. ;-}
25561 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 2:27pm
Subject: Re: Annihilator
I'll have pics as soon as I watch you go up it Ross, eh?
--- In az_vjc@y..., Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...> wrote:
> Anyone have PICs?
>
> Ross
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:25 AM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
>
>
> The fist waterfall is soooooo nasty that I think most sensible
people
> would decide against attempting it. And, for those that might
consider
> attempting it, make sure you climb up and over the waterfall first
to
> take a peak at the second obstacle. Pay particular attention to all
> the scrape marks on the rocks and walls. ;-}
>
> -Roger
>
> Dan Coley wrote:
> >
> > The description really doesn't do that any justice. The only
thing
> > it does is invite people out to see it, decide if they just move
ALOT
> > of rocks then they can make it, which makes it easier and less
> > challenging.
> >
> > There aren't that many really hard trails left around here, I
would
> > hate to see a good new one made easy.
> > M2C
>
>
>
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25562 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 2:27pm
Subject: RE: Re: Annihilator
Sounds like a night run. I have not been out in two months...
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Coley [mailto:mt_b@y...]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 2:27 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
I'll have pics as soon as I watch you go up it Ross, eh?
--- In az_vjc@y..., Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...> wrote:
> Anyone have PICs?
>
> Ross
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:25 AM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
>
>
> The fist waterfall is soooooo nasty that I think most sensible
people
> would decide against attempting it. And, for those that might
consider
> attempting it, make sure you climb up and over the waterfall first
to
> take a peak at the second obstacle. Pay particular attention to all
> the scrape marks on the rocks and walls. ;-}
>
> -Roger
>
> Dan Coley wrote:
> >
> > The description really doesn't do that any justice. The only
thing
> > it does is invite people out to see it, decide if they just move
ALOT
> > of rocks then they can make it, which makes it easier and less
> > challenging.
> >
> > There aren't that many really hard trails left around here, I
would
> > hate to see a good new one made easy.
> > M2C
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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25563 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 4:21pm
Subject: RE: Re: Annihilator
Ross you may want to make a trip out there to check it out first. The first
two waterfalls are very interesting. We went back quite a ways about 4 to 5
water falls they did not get any harder but one of them is interesting also.
We did not get to the end I do not know what else is on it. Let me know when
you want to go I will take pics for you. Jim F.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s...]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 2:27 PM
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
Sounds like a night run. I have not been out in two months...
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Coley [mailto:mt_b@y...]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 2:27 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
I'll have pics as soon as I watch you go up it Ross, eh?
--- In az_vjc@y..., Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...> wrote:
> Anyone have PICs?
>
> Ross
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:25 AM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
>
>
> The fist waterfall is soooooo nasty that I think most sensible
people
> would decide against attempting it. And, for those that might
consider
> attempting it, make sure you climb up and over the waterfall first
to
> take a peak at the second obstacle. Pay particular attention to all
> the scrape marks on the rocks and walls. ;-}
>
> -Roger
>
> Dan Coley wrote:
> >
> > The description really doesn't do that any justice. The only
thing
> > it does is invite people out to see it, decide if they just move
ALOT
> > of rocks then they can make it, which makes it easier and less
> > challenging.
> >
> > There aren't that many really hard trails left around here, I
would
> > hate to see a good new one made easy.
> > M2C
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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25564 From: <amstaff@e...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 4:48pm
Subject: Still can't get TeraLow 4:1 for YJ
Having been waiting for about two months now for a TeraLow 4:1 unit
for my NP231, I guess I'm a little peeved.
In the beginning of May, Tera said they'd have units by the end of
May. No deal. Last week, they said they've have them by the end of the
week. No deal.
Just got off the phone with them and now they're saying it'll be at
least the end of the month.
What gives? It's so frustrating to have the $$ for a needed mod and
have the manufacturer dragging its feet.
I guess when you have a monopoly on a part, you can do whatever you
want. I wish there was another option (can't afford the Atlas).
Anyone know a distributor with 4:1s in stock at a reasonable price
(~$900)? I'm really frustrated.
Dion
25565 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 5:12pm
Subject: [FS] 4- 31x10.50x15 BFG MUD T/A
$350
Contact: P35X1250X15@AOL.COM
AROUND 1500 MILES EXCELLENT CONDITION
25566 From: <P35X1250X15@A...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 1:14pm
Subject: TIRES 4 SALE
I HAVE 4 BFG MUD TERRAIN WITH AROUND 1500 MILES IN EXCELLENT SHAPE WILL TAKE
$350
PEANUTS PRIDE
25567 From: <Jeep2Deep@c...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 1:32pm
Subject: New Member Introduction.
Hello AZVJC members. I signed up yesterday and just wanted to take a moment
to introduce myself. My name is Joe Pollick and my self explanatory moniker
is Jeep2Deep. My junk is a 1999 TJ with all of the usual mods for a TJ plus a
snorkel for the Florida mud that can quickly become water much deeper than it
appears, rapidly.
A friend of mine here in West Central Florida and AZVJC member Eric Hermann
brought this list to my attention and we are already discussing a
Trans-American trip out to Az............See you then.
Joe Pollick
25568 From: Frank and Amanda Zepeda <zepeda199@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 5:46pm
Subject: amc engine
I apoligize if I confused anyone. Yes I meant an I-6
not a v-6 sorry for the mistake. I wasn't paying
careful enough attention when I typed the first
message. My friend is looking for an amc I-6, need
not be in great condition but that would be a bonus.
It must be running though. I am not exactly how much
he is willing to pay because he is out of town right
now. I will find out as soon as he gets back. Thanks
again Frank
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25569 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 6:27pm
Subject: Re: New Member Introduction.
Welcome.
We are really becoming a national non-club. How many out of state members do we have? Chime in if you don't live in AZ please.
From: Jeep2Deep@cs.com
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:32:29 EDT
To: AZ_VJC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] New Member Introduction.
Hello AZVJC members. I signed up yesterday and just wanted to take a moment
to introduce myself. My name is Joe Pollick and my self explanatory moniker
is Jeep2Deep. My junk is a 1999 TJ with all of the usual mods for a TJ plus a
snorkel for the Florida mud that can quickly become water much deeper than it
appears, rapidly.
A friend of mine here in West Central Florida and AZVJC member Eric Hermann
brought this list to my attention and we are already discussing a
Trans-American trip out to Az............See you then.
Joe Pollick
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25570 From: AzVJC Website <scoopman_2000@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 6:27pm
Subject: [FS] Still got wheels and tires.....
$200
Contact: uf_rulz@yahoo.com
I still have my 5 stocker 15x8 gambler style wheels from my TJ along with tires. 4 of the tires have probably about 5K left on them and there is a new spare. Oh....they are BFG 31x10.50 KO's. The wheels are in really great shape. I'm asking $200 or best offer. Thanks!
Aaron
Aaron Gale
25571 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 7:47pm
Subject: RE: New Member Introduction.
Welcome Joe.....looking forward to your coming out this way!
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeep2Deep@cs.com [mailto:Jeep2Deep@cs.com]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 5:32 PM
To: AZ_VJC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] New Member Introduction.
Hello AZVJC members. I signed up yesterday and just wanted to take a moment
to introduce myself. My name is Joe Pollick and my self explanatory moniker
is Jeep2Deep. My junk is a 1999 TJ with all of the usual mods for a TJ plus a
snorkel for the Florida mud that can quickly become water much deeper than it
appears, rapidly.
A friend of mine here in West Central Florida and AZVJC member Eric Hermann
brought this list to my attention and we are already discussing a
Trans-American trip out to Az............See you then.
Joe Pollick
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25572 From: Joey K <joey@j...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 7:46pm
Subject: RE: New Member Introduction.
It would be cool to make it out on T-Shirt Day run. Then you could take home some souvenirs. Besides the other souvenirs you will get on the trail. :-)
I look forward to seeing you people.
Joey K
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeep2Deep@cs.com [mailto:Jeep2Deep@cs.com]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 5:32 PM
To: AZ_VJC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] New Member Introduction.
Hello AZVJC members. I signed up yesterday and just wanted to take a moment
to introduce myself. My name is Joe Pollick and my self explanatory moniker
is Jeep2Deep. My junk is a 1999 TJ with all of the usual mods for a TJ plus a
snorkel for the Florida mud that can quickly become water much deeper than it
appears, rapidly.
A friend of mine here in West Central Florida and AZVJC member Eric Hermann
brought this list to my attention and we are already discussing a
Trans-American trip out to Az............See you then.
Joe Pollick
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25573 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 8:07pm
Subject: Re: New Member Introduction.
Welcome, and looking forward to some runs w/ you Gators.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeep2Deep@cs.com
To: AZ_VJC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 5:32 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] New Member Introduction.
Hello AZVJC members. I signed up yesterday and just wanted to take a moment
to introduce myself. My name is Joe Pollick and my self explanatory moniker
is Jeep2Deep. My junk is a 1999 TJ with all of the usual mods for a TJ plus a
snorkel for the Florida mud that can quickly become water much deeper than it
appears, rapidly.
A friend of mine here in West Central Florida and AZVJC member Eric Hermann
brought this list to my attention and we are already discussing a
Trans-American trip out to Az............See you then.
Joe Pollick
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25574 From: AzVJC Website <rickandvanda@p...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 8:05pm
Subject: [FS] WANTED--3.54 gears for a Front Chrysler Dana 44
Contact: rickandvanda@prodigy.net
Wanted. Ring and pinion gears for a front Dana 44. Its for a dodge truck that a friend owns. Name your price.
Rick Norman
25575 From: Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 8:06pm
Subject: Locked up front/Wednesday night outing??
I got my Lock-Right installed and it seems to be functional. I need a
test run before I'll know for sure. At first I thought I could install
it without removing the carrier, but I couldn't get the cross-shaft
retaining pin out. Once I decided to remove the carrier, everything came
out easy and went back in easy. I have a 'thin' ring gear so the
cross-shaft comes out without removing it. I marked the bearing caps and
races and put them back exactly the way they came out. I recovered the
thrust washers and put them in behind the drivers. I filled the diff
with 140w gear oil. I even replaced the worn-out brake pads (thanks Auto
Zone lifetime warranty)
I test dove it on my driveway and 23rd Ave, (all dirt roads where I
live) and it definitely feels locked in 4H and 4L, and unlocks nicely in
2H
Can't wait to try it out! I can't do it Tuesday, but how about a
Wednesday night Raw Deal or Terminator? I would like to go around 7:30.
Any takers?
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25576 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 7:59pm
Subject: RE: Re: Annihilator
Is it considered harder then H2H?
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: Hackle
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 6/18/01 4:21 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
Ross you may want to make a trip out there to check it out
first. The first
two waterfalls are very interesting. We went back quite a ways about 4
to 5
water falls they did not get any harder but one of them is interesting
also.
We did not get to the end I do not know what else is on it. Let me know
when
you want to go I will take pics for you. Jim F.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s...]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 2:27 PM
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
Sounds like a night run. I have not been out in two months...
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Coley [mailto:mt_b@y...]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 2:27 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
I'll have pics as soon as I watch you go up it Ross, eh?
--- In az_vjc@y..., Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...> wrote:
> Anyone have PICs?
>
> Ross
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:25 AM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
>
>
> The fist waterfall is soooooo nasty that I think most sensible
people
> would decide against attempting it. And, for those that might
consider
> attempting it, make sure you climb up and over the waterfall first
to
> take a peak at the second obstacle. Pay particular attention to all
> the scrape marks on the rocks and walls. ;-}
>
> -Roger
>
> Dan Coley wrote:
> >
> > The description really doesn't do that any justice. The only
thing
> > it does is invite people out to see it, decide if they just move
ALOT
> > of rocks then they can make it, which makes it easier and less
> > challenging.
> >
> > There aren't that many really hard trails left around here, I
would
> > hate to see a good new one made easy.
> > M2C
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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25577 From: <amstaff@e...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 8:41pm
Subject: Re: Annihilator
Ross: Having done H2H and only walked
Annihilator, I'd say Annihilator is
substantially more difficult.
Where you been? I broke my new Tom Wood
long-travel driveshaft in a chute at the end
of Firebird Saturday night.
Dion
--- In az_vjc@y..., Ross Skinner <
rskinner@s...> wrote:
> Is it considered harder then H2H?
> Ross
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hackle
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Sent: 6/18/01 4:21 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
>
> Ross you may want to make a trip out there to check it out
> first. The first
> two waterfalls are very interesting. We went back quite a ways about 4
> to 5
> water falls they did not get any harder but one of them is interesting
> also.
> We did not get to the end I do not know what else is on it. Let me know
> when
> you want to go I will take pics for you. Jim F.
>
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
> http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ross Skinner [mailto:rskinner@s...]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 2:27 PM
> To: 'az_vjc@y...'
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
>
> Sounds like a night run. I have not been out in two months...
> Ross
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Coley [mailto:mt_b@y...]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 2:27 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
>
>
> I'll have pics as soon as I watch you go up it Ross, eh?
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...> wrote:
> > Anyone have PICs?
> >
> > Ross
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:25 AM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Annihilator
> >
> >
> > The fist waterfall is soooooo nasty that I think most sensible
> people
> > would decide against attempting it. And, for those that might
> consider
> > attempting it, make sure you climb up and over the waterfall first
> to
> > take a peak at the second obstacle. Pay particular attention to all
> > the scrape marks on the rocks and walls. ;-}
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> > Dan Coley wrote:
> > >
> > > The description really doesn't do that any justice. The only
> thing
> > > it does is invite people out to see it, decide if they just move
> ALOT
> > > of rocks then they can make it, which makes it easier and less
> > > challenging.
> > >
> > > There aren't that many really hard trails left around here, I
> would
> > > hate to see a good new one made easy.
> > > M2C
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
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>
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25578 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 8:48pm
Subject: Re: Still can't get TeraLow 4:1 for YJ
You should try getting Revolver Shackles out of them!! Same story. Almost
like the movie "The Money Pit". "How much longer?" "Oh......2 weeks!". 2
MONTHS later, one set!
Just venting..............
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25579 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2001 8:54pm
Subject: Re: Re: Annihilator
I usually don't like to disagree with people on opinions on trails and their
difficulty (because it is subjective.....highly subjective) but I would say
that Annihilator is not "substantially" harder than H2H. H2H is MUCH longer
with more obstacles. Annihilator has 3 hard obstacles where I've seen the
first one look easier than H2H's hardest and the second equal to H2H's
hardest (I'm thinking of the giant water fall on H2H about in the middle that
you pretty much need a winch to get up due to a short wheel based Jeep).
Annihilator is certainly do-able without a winch (I've seen it done) as well
as H2H probably is. They are hard in their own way. But I would rate
Annihilator as not substantially harder. More like.....the same......yet
different. <big grin>
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