The new 4 door Wrangler

[blooddrive]

For those of you who haven't seen it yet: http://autos.msn.com/as/minishow/article.aspx?contentID=4023923&s=NewYork2006

[FrenchChili]

The unlimited would look sick with the doors off!!!

[jeepboy]

Why are they only offering the Dielsel engine outside North America, Thats Lame :mad:

[mingoglia]

Why are they only offering the Dielsel engine outside North America, Thats Lame :mad:

It's really lame. Although I don't know for sure, this may have something to do with our high-sulfur fuel but with the success of the liberty CRD I don't know how they couldn't find an engine to make it work. They have to eventually release a diesel, I just get tired of the games auto makers play.

Mike

[SavageSun4x4]

Why are they only offering the Dielsel engine outside North America, Thats Lame :mad:
The engine will appear this fall in some other passenger cars, most likely a spring or early summer debut in the Jeep Wrangler. see:

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/08/detroit-auto-show-mercedes-benz-launches-clean-diesels-for-the/

[FrenchChili]

Why are they only offering the Dielsel engine outside North America, Thats Lame :mad:

Diesel has a slight lydifferent mixture over there, at least that's what I was told.

[wannabejeeper]

It's really lame. Although I don't know for sure, this may have something to do with our high-sulfur fuel but with the success of the liberty CRD I don't know how they couldn't find an engine to make it work. They have to eventually release a diesel, I just get tired of the games auto makers play.

Mike

My boss actually told me that they were discontinuing the CRD due to low #'s.

[mingoglia]

Diesel has a slight lydifferent mixture over there, at least that's what I was told.

The slight difference is they have low sulfur fuel. One of the reasons why Mercedes was slow bringing the diesel back to market and now others are starting to follow (vw, and now Jeep).

[azshtr]

The specs have "electronic sway bar disconnect" for 28% more travel. I'd guess we get way more than 28% more travel, but interesting nontheless.

[SavageSun4x4]

Diesel has a slight lydifferent mixture over there, at least that's what I was told.
"The new rule requires refiners and importers to produce highway diesel meeting a 15 parts per million (ppm) maximum requirement, starting June 1, 2006; however, pipelines are expected to require refiners to provide diesel fuel with an even lower sulfur content, somewhat below 10 ppm, in order to compensate for contamination from higher sulfur products in the system, and to provide a tolerance for testing. Diesel meeting the new specification will be required at terminals by July 15, 2006, and at retail stations and wholesalers by September 1, 2006. Under a “temporary compliance option” (phase-in), up to 20 percent of highway diesel fuel produced may continue to meet the current 500 ppm sulfur limit through May 2010; the remaining 80 percent of the highway diesel fuel produced must meet the new 15 ppm maximum."

see: http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/servicerpt/ulsd/index.html

[xFallen]

"The new rule requires refiners and importers to produce highway diesel meeting a 15 parts per million (ppm) maximum requirement, starting June 1, 2006; however, pipelines are expected to require refiners to provide diesel fuel with an even lower sulfur content, somewhat below 10 ppm, in order to compensate for contamination from higher sulfur products in the system, and to provide a tolerance for testing. Diesel meeting the new specification will be required at terminals by July 15, 2006, and at retail stations and wholesalers by September 1, 2006. Under a “temporary compliance option” (phase-in), up to 20 percent of highway diesel fuel produced may continue to meet the current 500 ppm sulfur limit through May 2010; the remaining 80 percent of the highway diesel fuel produced must meet the new 15 ppm maximum."

see: http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/servicerpt/ulsd/index.html

It'll be interesting to see how the whole biodiesel thing plays out. I don't know that the economics are there yet, but that can change.


Barry

[SavageSun4x4]

It'll be interesting to see how the whole biodiesel thing plays out. I don't know that the economics are there yet, but that can change.


Barry
At best it’s many years off. We have to develop the resources and they just are not here.

As best as I can find out is a 2-8 % overall impact. Same goes for ethanol. The life cycle is measured in years. Even if we give creds to the land exists and is ready to plant. You would be looking out 3-5 years before any real impact is felt on a nationwide basis.

In spite of the current oil shortage and the one is the mid 70s the US and the world has had a steady supply of petrol products since the 1900s and steady pricing. If you really want to have, fuel prices that vary just switch to bio-dependent system. Where weather starts driving the prices, supply and our ability to even produce. In fact, bio-fuels scare me to death.

Someone is gonna jump on this and say yea but the price of corn, etc has been stable over the years. YEA, only in your crack pipe dreams sunshine. In fact the price of fresh corn at the retail level in any given recent year will vary from $1 per ear to 10 ears for a $1, check it out at your local grocery store.

The price of foodstuffs as a whole is tempered by our ability to preserve food for future sale. Frozen and canned mostly. Price of fresh corn get too high, buy canned or frozen. When that happens, the price of fresh comes down and a good amount of the supply is diverted to canning or frozen. Purchased by companies that can step up to the plate and buy it by the trainloads, thus getting a much lower price.

Lets say it a better than average year for weather and bio-fuels grow like weeds. What do we do with the excess? Store it, where?

Auto fuels have an inelastic demand curve, meaning the price per gallon has little to do with how much we drive. The US as a whole drives X miles per person per month/year and all of this data is well known. Hence, we almost always have fuel when and where we want it. The supply of fuel is so well managed that there is little storage capacity for it. It is moved to the refinery as crude and exits as fuel to be sent to local tank farms for distribution to retail points. There is no massive storage of fuel.

Since there is little storage capacity then what happens in a bad weather year. Where do we get fuel?

[FrenchChili]

Since there is little storage capacity then what happens in a bad weather year. Where do we get fuel?

siphon from the neighbor:D

[azranger]

The unlimited would look sick with the doors off!!!

It looks like an H3 (yuck!)