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25430 From: Chatfield, Mike <mike.chatfield@p...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 10:43am
Subject: Website - Tech articles now functional.
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- Mike
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25431 From: <sinanturel@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 10:54am
Subject: Mounting Tires
Anyone in Tucson know where I can get a pair of Swampers
mounted for cheap. I can operate the old fashion machine, and am
willing to give the tire irons a try !
Thanks
Sinan
25432 From: James Smith <jeepinsmitty@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 10:56am
Subject: Re: Re: Need one tire
Nick, Daryl,
Well shoot if you are giving two away and Daryl only
needs one, I would be happy to take the other one off
your hands, IT would help to have a Full size spare..
But, Only if Daryl doesn't want it and no one else has
claimed it..
Thanks,
James
--- nickcarrie@h... wrote:
> Daryl: I got two 31x10.50 goodyear wrangler, at. you
> can have I live
> in mesa, near off road, they're in pretty good
> shape. Come and get em
>
> Nick L. 93 yj soa
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Daryl Faust <louddog71@y...>
> wrote:
> > Anyone have one 31x10.50 tire laying around taking
> up
> > space?
> > Ran Over something and the hole is too big to
> repair.
> > The other tires are worn enough where I don't want
> to
> > put a new one on, but they have enough tread where
> I
> > don't need to replace all 4 yet.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> >
> >
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25433 From: <jhogg1@m...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 11:01am
Subject: Re: Does anyone run a Jeepster Commando
I've got '67 spread out in my garage.
There'a a great forum at
http://bbs.off-road.com that's just for Jeepsters.
Great source of information, and very civil to boot!
Also, you can look at the American Jeepster Club's web site at
http://www.off-road.com/jeepster/
You will find out that there are very few after market parts
available, But a lot of parts are crossed over from CJ's . That said,
there are a couple of companies that do make lifted springs for the
Commando.
What's the year and condition of the one you're looking at?
Jerry
--- In az_vjc@y..., azmbtucson@y... wrote:
> Do any of you guys run a Jeepster Commando. I got a line
> on one and am seriously considering it. I am a little
> concerned that lifting it would be a serious endeavor of
> custom fabrication. What do you guys think?
>
> Ty
25434 From: Randall A. Mutter <ramaz@h...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 11:30am
Subject: Replacing rear main seal on 4.0
Hi Group
My son is looking at picking up a 88 XJ, however it has a leaking rear main seal in the engine. Has anyone replaced one of these? Is it do able at home or is it a garage thing?
Any input would be great.
Thanks
RAM 95 XJ
25435 From: Robert <rlpii@q...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 11:40am
Subject: Re: Idea for Posted Pictures
And I thought I was good lookin! No match for yous guys.
(That's what I get for thinking. My wife always tells me that I
don't think nor listen - or something like that!)
rlp
--- In az_vjc@y..., jeepin_in_az@y... wrote:
> Man, thats what I thought you looked like anyway! Great mug shot!
> Sure it wasn't taken at the TPD??
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Brent Lizakowski" <brent_lizakowski@h...>
wrote:
> > Funny you should say that....
> >
> > I was just up at K-Mart this past weekend having some portraits
> taken.
> > I went ahead and scanned one in and posted it:
> >
> > http://www.artsconnected.org/artsnetmn/identity/closc01d.jpg
> >
> > I think it's a great idea. I can't wait to see everyone else's
mug!
> >
> > Brent
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Robert" <rlpii@q...> wrote:
> > > As I was looking at some of the recent trip photos that get
> posted,
> > I
> > > thought that it might be a good idea if, while on the trip, we
> try
> > to
> > > get pictures of some of the members so we can put a face with a
> > name.
> > >
> > > Any comments?
> > >
> > > And, no I have not posted any pictures, as I am not very
computer
> > > savy. It's a pretty big deal for me just to open those
pictures
> > that
> > > you all post. I always look forward to seeing the areas and
rigs,
> > > and
> > > just thought that it would be interesting to see some of the
> folks
> > > that I read about on this list.
> > >
> > > rlp
> > > 74 CJ-5
> > > Westsider
25436 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 0:16pm
Subject: [Tech] All - Four Wheeling 101
4WD 101
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Notes:
1) This is information about 4-wheeling that I have gathered over the years. I will add more when I have the time.
2) The ASA4WDC offers 4x4 Awareness training. This is a great class for novice Four-Wheelers. Contact the ASA4WDC at asa4wdc@asa4wdc.org for class times and places.
Linda
Additionally, one of the original purposes of the AZ-VJC was to educate others about four-wheeling and Jeeping in particular. Many club members will be willing to "show you the ropes" if asked. -Jim
Rough Road Driving Tips
Never go four-wheeling alone! However, if you must go it alone, make sure someone "back home" knows where you are headed, how to get there, and when you are expected back.
Use low-range four-wheel drive and First gear
When starting the vehicle on obstacles, start in gear without pressing the clutch, giving a little throttle if needed.
Always use engine compression going downhill. Idle over obstacles. It may be necessary to use throttle slightly going uphill. Keep your foot off the clutch at all times. Start and stop with your key.
Always have the vehicle in gear; don't hold the clutch in while coasting down hills. This forces you to use the brakes. Brakes fail when they are too hot...
Drive slowly. Crawl over obstacles without using your clutch. If you start to spin or slip, give a little throttle. Keep the vehicle moving.
If you have an auto trans, use low-range and the lowest drive gear. Use the left foot on the brake and the right foot on the throttle. Apply gas only as needed.
Don't straddle large rocks. Put a tire on top of the rocks and crawl over slowly. Use gas only as needed.
Maintain adequate speed. Going fast will only tear up the environment -- and your vehicle.
Keep moving once you are committed. Proper momentum and smooth handling are the keys to forward progress
Trail Etiquette: How to Have Fun in the Long Run
Driver finesse is the key when it comes to traversing trails without upsetting anything or anybody (or getting through it, for that matter), but the vehicle can help achieve that goal if equipped correctly. Some things that work well with any 4x4 are as follows:
Less aggressive tires may do the job as well (or maybe even better depending on the terrain) while leaving less visible tracks.
Larger wider tires offer a bigger footprint spreading the load more and hence are less likely to leave ruts.
Airing down any tire makes it better conforming, in turn giving the same benefits as running a larger tire and, additionally, reducing the chance of wheel-spin.
Softer suspensions tend to let the axles articulate better, thereby keeping all four tires on the ground, and that really cuts down on spinning them and the need for speed.
Limited-slip differentials and/or lockers are usually a plus, as they prevent slippage. However, in tight turns they can lead to leaving tracks where an open diff won't.
Correct axle and/or transmission gearing allows a slower steadier progress, and especially when combined with the above, allows a much more enjoyable trip.
Used correctly, a winch will pull your vehicle across sections of the trail that would be hard or impossible to drive -- let alone without leaving evidence thereof. A winch, then, is ideal as a tool for eliminating the need to make new side trails.
Basically, anything that helps the vehicle to be more capable on the trail tends to make it easier to travel through it without stirring up dust or emotions.
Good things to bring along on a trail ride
Things that are absolutely necessary:
Tow strap
first aid kit
jack capable of lifting the vehicle and a tool capable of removing lug nuts
A spare tire equal to or within 3 inches diameter of existing tires on the vehicle
fire extinguisher
seat belts for all passengers
tow hooks front and rear
battery tie-downs (no bungee cords)
water for you, your passengers, pets, and 4x4
Tool kit
Things that are recommended:
CB radio
extra fuel (for really long trips)
spare vehicle parts
axe/hatchet
blanket or towel
shovel
flashlight (w/spare batteries)
Winch owners:
Winch owners should check cable prior to trail rides for frays, fishhooks, and snags. Also check the hook for cracks and signs of fatigue.
Winch owners should also carry winch accessories such as gloves and a blanket to throw over the cable.
Never use a trailer ball as an attachment point to winch or drag from. The ball can snap off, possibly injuring someone.
Miscellaneous
tire repair kit
tree saver
radiator hose
engine belts
fuses
saw
spare fasteners
duct tape
engine, transmission, brake, gear oils
trash bags
more spare parts
specialized tools
Etc.
Other Sources
Note: This is an older list and some of the tapes may no longer be available. I am sure there are more on the market. I'll try to keep this list up to date. - Linda
Frank Noel
Southwest Regional UFWDA Awareness Director (9-hour Driver Awareness Clinic)
Address Pending approval
Jean-Paul Luc Winter Driving School Video
P.O. Box 774167
Steam Boat Springs, CO 80477
(303) 879-6104
Rick Russell's Off-Highway Adventure Series
12475 Central Ave, Suite 352
Chino, California 91710
(909) 628-7227
Unstuck! A Guide to Vehicle Recovery and More. 4-Wheeling America
2134 S. Humboldt St.
Denver, CO 80210-4619
(303) 778-9144
Where the Pavement Ends (A Tread Lightly sponsored video)
298 24th St. Suite 325-C
Ogden, Utah 84401
(800) 966-9900
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Mike Chatfield
25437 From: <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 0:15pm
Subject: Re: Idea for Posted Pictures
Your wife was right, you didn't think when you first posted it!
HAHAHA just kidding!
Mike
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Robert" <rlpii@q...> wrote:
> And I thought I was good lookin! No match for yous guys.
>
> (That's what I get for thinking. My wife always tells me that I
> don't think nor listen - or something like that!)
>
> rlp
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., jeepin_in_az@y... wrote:
> > Man, thats what I thought you looked like anyway! Great mug
shot!
> > Sure it wasn't taken at the TPD??
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Brent Lizakowski" <brent_lizakowski@h...>
> wrote:
> > > Funny you should say that....
> > >
> > > I was just up at K-Mart this past weekend having some portraits
> > taken.
> > > I went ahead and scanned one in and posted it:
> > >
> > > http://www.artsconnected.org/artsnetmn/identity/closc01d.jpg
> > >
> > > I think it's a great idea. I can't wait to see everyone else's
> mug!
> > >
> > > Brent
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Robert" <rlpii@q...> wrote:
> > > > As I was looking at some of the recent trip photos that get
> > posted,
> > > I
> > > > thought that it might be a good idea if, while on the trip,
we
> > try
> > > to
> > > > get pictures of some of the members so we can put a face with
a
> > > name.
> > > >
> > > > Any comments?
> > > >
> > > > And, no I have not posted any pictures, as I am not very
> computer
> > > > savy. It's a pretty big deal for me just to open those
> pictures
> > > that
> > > > you all post. I always look forward to seeing the areas and
> rigs,
> > > > and
> > > > just thought that it would be interesting to see some of the
> > folks
> > > > that I read about on this list.
> > > >
> > > > rlp
> > > > 74 CJ-5
> > > > Westsider
25438 From: <msa12171@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 0:33pm
Subject: Re: 4.56 or 4.88s
I found a site before when I was looking to regear that had a chart
for engine RPM for tire size to gear ratio. It is a great way to get
an idea of the RPM you want on the highway. Randysringandpinion.com
has a calculator that will calculate it for you if you input the
different options. That should give you an idea of which way to go.
Mike Anderson
(go with 4.88's!)
:)
25439 From: Robert <rlpii@q...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 0:39pm
Subject: LU - Re: Land Closer
I too hope they catch the slob. Last year when the big fire was
burning outside of Globe, I was visiting a friend's cabin up by Young
and as I was driving out towards Payson on a Forest Service Road, I
came across a camp fire that was still smoking and had a large log
smoldering in the ring. Along side the fire ring there was a very
large wet spot, apparently from the "camper" emptying an ice chest.
Not on the fire, but right next too it.
All the liquids that my wife and I had were two small water bottles
and an half gallon of milk. We spent about an half an hour putting
it out, using the "mud" he had left behind, milk, a little water and
a shovel. Did I mention that the wind was blowing pretty hard too.
Stopped at a camp ground on the way out and talked to the owner who
took 5 gals. of water back to the campsite and put it dead out.
No doubt in my mind that if we hadn't come along, Christopher Creek
would now be a desert. I truly do not understand people like that!
I now always carry 5 gals of water.
rlp
--- In az_vjc@y..., Daver <daver@c...> wrote:
> "David W. Smith" wrote:
> > I don't know if anyone seen this article in the Republic this
morning. It
> > basically say's that if the Forrest would have been closed the
fire would
> > possibly not happenend in flagstaff.
>
> Yeah, I saw that. I suppose that they are right, in a way, if no
one was
> allowed in there, there wouldn't have boon a campfire left burning
to
> start the forest fire. But let's take that logir a step forward
then,
> shall we? A lot of people die on the highways each year. Couldn't we
> eliminate that by simply closing all of them? No one on the highway
= no
> accidents on the highway. Once we get done with that, why don't we
take
> a look at autos in general. I mean, lots of people die in auto
accidents
> around the city too. Why don't we just....
>
> Anyway. Keep the roads open and nail the sorry SOB's who don't know
how
> to put out a campfire, says I.
25440 From: Robert <rlpii@q...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 0:44pm
Subject: Re: Idea for Posted Pictures
My wife is always right! And I'm not kidding :-( (grin)
--- In az_vjc@y..., jeepin_in_az@y... wrote:
> Your wife was right, you didn't think when you first posted it!
> HAHAHA just kidding!
>
> Mike
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Robert" <rlpii@q...> wrote:
> > And I thought I was good lookin! No match for yous guys.
> >
> > (That's what I get for thinking. My wife always tells me that I
> > don't think nor listen - or something like that!)
> >
> > rlp
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., jeepin_in_az@y... wrote:
> > > Man, thats what I thought you looked like anyway! Great mug
> shot!
> > > Sure it wasn't taken at the TPD??
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Brent Lizakowski" <brent_lizakowski@h...>
> > wrote:
> > > > Funny you should say that....
> > > >
> > > > I was just up at K-Mart this past weekend having some
portraits
> > > taken.
> > > > I went ahead and scanned one in and posted it:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.artsconnected.org/artsnetmn/identity/closc01d.jpg
> > > >
> > > > I think it's a great idea. I can't wait to see everyone
else's
> > mug!
> > > >
> > > > Brent
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Robert" <rlpii@q...> wrote:
> > > > > As I was looking at some of the recent trip photos that get
> > > posted,
> > > > I
> > > > > thought that it might be a good idea if, while on the trip,
> we
> > > try
> > > > to
> > > > > get pictures of some of the members so we can put a face
with
> a
> > > > name.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any comments?
> > > > >
> > > > > And, no I have not posted any pictures, as I am not very
> > computer
> > > > > savy. It's a pretty big deal for me just to open those
> > pictures
> > > > that
> > > > > you all post. I always look forward to seeing the areas
and
> > rigs,
> > > > > and
> > > > > just thought that it would be interesting to see some of
the
> > > folks
> > > > > that I read about on this list.
> > > > >
> > > > > rlp
> > > > > 74 CJ-5
> > > > > Westsider
25441 From: <ansink@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 1:37pm
Subject: FS - DT 3000 Shocks for YJ (~ 4" lift)
The shocks are Doetsch Tech 3000. The specific information is as
follows:
Front: Part # DT3386
compressed 17"
extended 29 1/2"
Rear: Part # 32650 LL
compressed 14 1/2"
extended 24 1/2"
There is also a steering stabilizer that fits the stock location. All
of the shocks have only had approximately 3,000 miles on them. They
have never been offroad and are not bent/ dented in the body either.
All (5) for $55. Shoot me an e-mail or give me a call @ 602-318-
6330. Thanks! - Andy
25442 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 2:08pm
Subject: RE: Land Closer
Here is a better one....
If the idiot that composed that awesome comment was not employed by the
Republic, we wouldn't have to read the garbage that he/she wrote. DOH!
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: David W. Smith [mailto:dwsmith69@h...]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 9:08 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Land Closer
I don't know if anyone seen this article in the Republic this morning. It
basically say's that if the Forrest would have been closed the fire would
possibly not happenend in flagstaff.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/0614fire14.html
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25443 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 2:16pm
Subject: RE: Land Closer
Maybe we all need to write a letter to the Republic about the stupidity of
his comments.
Thinking if we had closed the land there would have been no fire, if we
eliminate electricity no one can be shocked and there would be no need for
rolling blackouts, if we eliminate water in anything but an 8 oz cup we can
stop drownings, if we eliminate gas powered vehicles and factories and
breathing by animals and humans we can stop pollution, if we grow grass in
place of roadways and freeways we could produce more oxygen and reduce
global warming, if we don't eat anything that is alive we can stop
cannabalism, etc...
This would make for some broke, out of work always on the run from debt
collectors, stinky, hungry, out of breath cold people. Just the type of
place these idiots want.
So what would kill us first, teh debt collectors, the cold temps, the lack
of food(if you think about it plants are alive too) or the lack of
breathing?
Sorry had to vent, I feel much better now. Of course if I could give the
moron that wrote it just 1% of my common sense I would feel like the King of
the World and maybe we could get a decent writer on the staff!!!!!!!!!!!
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:08:11 -0700, Stu Olson wrote:
> Here is a better one....
>
> If the idiot that composed that awesome comment was not employed by the
> Republic, we wouldn't have to read the garbage that he/she wrote. DOH!
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David W. Smith [mailto:dwsmith69@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 9:08 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Land Closer
>
>
> I don't know if anyone seen this article in the Republic this morning. It
> basically say's that if the Forrest would have been closed the fire would
> possibly not happenend in flagstaff.
>
> http://www.azcentral.com/news/0614fire14.html
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25444 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 3:49pm
Subject: Land Closer due to fire in Flag
Well I must say that if there used to be wheeling here in Flag, there
is absolutely none now. Schultz Pass is closed, Snowbowl road is
closed, and from talking to the USFS guys guarding the FR gates they
wouldn't mind if everything was closed. Talking with some of the
hotshot crews, I learned the fire was caused by an unattended camp
fire right off of Snow Bowl road. As of this morning it has reached
2000 acres, with less than 5 percent containment. My favorite
running trails are all closed, pretty much the whole San Francisco
peaks area is closed, and everywhere there are no campfire signs up.
A-1 mountain also has a small fire burning from a campfire, but only
one crew is working it. Personally, I cannot leave my camp until the
fire has been covered in dirt, all of my extra water poured on it,
and I am positive it is out. Everyone do your part, carry an
extinguisher even for day trips in the desert, and use common sense
when burning.
Chris "Smokey" M.
87 YJ
--- In az_vjc@y..., "David W. Smith" <dwsmith69@h...> wrote:
> I don't know if anyone seen this article in the Republic this
morning. It
> basically say's that if the Forrest would have been closed the fire
would
> possibly not happenend in flagstaff.
>
> http://www.azcentral.com/news/0614fire14.html
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25445 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 3:52pm
Subject: [LU] Testing the functionality here...
Test
Mike Chatfield
25446 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 3:53pm
Subject: [LU] Testing the functionality here...
Test
Mike Chatfield
25447 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 3:53pm
Subject: Re: Does anyone run a Jeepster Commando
My cousin had one, put 31s on it and played in the mud all day in
South Carolina, but other than that I don't know anything about them.
I don't think it was lifted though.
--- In az_vjc@y..., jhogg1@m... wrote:
> I've got '67 spread out in my garage.
> There'a a great forum at
> http://bbs.off-road.com that's just for Jeepsters.
> Great source of information, and very civil to boot!
> Also, you can look at the American Jeepster Club's web site at
> http://www.off-road.com/jeepster/
>
> You will find out that there are very few after market parts
> available, But a lot of parts are crossed over from CJ's . That
said,
> there are a couple of companies that do make lifted springs for the
> Commando.
> What's the year and condition of the one you're looking at?
>
> Jerry
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., azmbtucson@y... wrote:
> > Do any of you guys run a Jeepster Commando. I got a line
> > on one and am seriously considering it. I am a little
> > concerned that lifting it would be a serious endeavor of
> > custom fabrication. What do you guys think?
> >
> > Ty
25448 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 4:42pm
Subject: Re:Idea for posted pics
Brent - I didn't know you smoked!!
At 09:16 PM 6/14/2001 +0000, you wrote:
Message: 8
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:16:05 -0000
From: "Brent Lizakowski"
Subject: Re: Idea for Posted Pictures
Funny you should say that....
I was just up at K-Mart this past weekend having some portraits taken.
I went ahead and scanned one in and posted it:
http://www.artsconnected.org/artsnetmn/identity/closc01d.jpg
I think it's a great idea. I can't wait to see everyone else's mug!
Brent
25449 From: Ray B. <kb7skv@c...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 4:50pm
Subject: Re: LU - Re: Land Closer
On another track with the same idea, if the forest was closed, then there would
be absolutely no roads, trails, tracks etc...therefore, if there were a fire
(lightning) fire crews would have NO access!!!! Our trails in the forrests
are usually old logging and fire control roads, by using them we maintain
access to the areas for EVERYONE and this obviously includes
'emergency-services'!!!
Just our .02!!
Daver wrote:
> "David W. Smith" wrote:
> > I don't know if anyone seen this article in the Republic this morning. It
> > basically say's that if the Forrest would have been closed the fire would
> > possibly not happenend in flagstaff.
>
> Yeah, I saw that. I suppose that they are right, in a way, if no one was
> allowed in there, there wouldn't have boon a campfire left burning to
> start the forest fire. But let's take that logir a step forward then,
> shall we? A lot of people die on the highways each year. Couldn't we
> eliminate that by simply closing all of them? No one on the highway = no
> accidents on the highway. Once we get done with that, why don't we take
> a look at autos in general. I mean, lots of people die in auto accidents
> around the city too. Why don't we just....
>
> Anyway. Keep the roads open and nail the sorry SOB's who don't know how
> to put out a campfire, says I.
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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'94 ZJ (cushy cruiser)
'76 CJ5 (AZAV8ER)
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Has a Dark and Light side, and it
Holds the Universe together!" :-)
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25450 From: <mike.chatfield@p...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 4:55pm
Subject: Website - Classifieds
Classifieds section is now operational.
Also I added a "Webrings" page to list the webrings that the AzVJC
belongs to.
With this, the website is pretty much complete. I may decide later
on to add the ability to link pictures to Tech Articles, Classifieds
and maybe Product reviews.
If anyone finds a defect, please let me know.
Thanks
- Mike
25451 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 5:04pm
Subject: Pricing Question
Hi all...I've got some tranny stuff taking up space in my garage that I want
to try and get rid of but have no idea what to ask for it...maybe some you
could help me out....
GM M22 4 speed tranny w/Dana 20 transfer case adapter
GM Splatter Shield (Magazines have these listed @ about 400.00)
Clutch assy (plate, flywheel, linkage, etc)
any help would be greatly appreciated....
TJ Gill
75 CJ5
327/TH350
If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made with meat???
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25452 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 5:30pm
Subject: RE: LU - Re: Land Closer
How about the fact that now that the logging is slowed down so much to save
the owls there is so much dead wood and under brush that it makes the fires
harder to get under control.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Ray B. [mailto:kb7skv@c...]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 4:51 PM
To: Daver
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: LU - Re: [az_vjc] Land Closer
On another track with the same idea, if the forest was closed, then there
would
be absolutely no roads, trails, tracks etc...therefore, if there were a fire
(lightning) fire crews would have NO access!!!! Our trails in the forrests
are usually old logging and fire control roads, by using them we maintain
access to the areas for EVERYONE and this obviously includes
'emergency-services'!!!
Just our .02!!
Daver wrote:
> "David W. Smith" wrote:
> > I don't know if anyone seen this article in the Republic this morning.
It
> > basically say's that if the Forrest would have been closed the fire
would
> > possibly not happenend in flagstaff.
>
> Yeah, I saw that. I suppose that they are right, in a way, if no one was
> allowed in there, there wouldn't have boon a campfire left burning to
> start the forest fire. But let's take that logir a step forward then,
> shall we? A lot of people die on the highways each year. Couldn't we
> eliminate that by simply closing all of them? No one on the highway = no
> accidents on the highway. Once we get done with that, why don't we take
> a look at autos in general. I mean, lots of people die in auto accidents
> around the city too. Why don't we just....
>
> Anyway. Keep the roads open and nail the sorry SOB's who don't know how
> to put out a campfire, says I.
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
--
_____________________________
...---=== Ray and Amanda ===---...
'94 ZJ (cushy cruiser)
'76 CJ5 (AZAV8ER)
"DuctTape is like the force...It
Has a Dark and Light side, and it
Holds the Universe together!" :-)
_____________________________
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25453 From: Daryl Faust <louddog71@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 5:43pm
Subject: RE: LU - Re: Land Closer
I like to think the responsible campers that control
their fires and put them out when they leave help
reduce forest fire risk because they gather all the
dead wood laying around on the ground and burn it
responsibly. No campers, more dead wood on the
ground, bigger hotter wild fires? Am I wrong?
--- Hackle <hackle@q...> wrote:
> How about the fact that now that the logging is
> slowed down so much to save
> the owls there is so much dead wood and under brush
> that it makes the fires
> harder to get under control.
>
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me
> as a member!
> http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ray B. [mailto:kb7skv@c...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 4:51 PM
> To: Daver
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: LU - Re: [az_vjc] Land Closer
>
> On another track with the same idea, if the forest
> was closed, then there
> would
> be absolutely no roads, trails, tracks
> etc...therefore, if there were a fire
> (lightning) fire crews would have NO access!!!!
> Our trails in the forrests
> are usually old logging and fire control roads, by
> using them we maintain
> access to the areas for EVERYONE and this obviously
> includes
> 'emergency-services'!!!
>
> Just our .02!!
>
> Daver wrote:
>
> > "David W. Smith" wrote:
> > > I don't know if anyone seen this article in the
> Republic this morning.
> It
> > > basically say's that if the Forrest would have
> been closed the fire
> would
> > > possibly not happenend in flagstaff.
> >
> > Yeah, I saw that. I suppose that they are right,
> in a way, if no one was
> > allowed in there, there wouldn't have boon a
> campfire left burning to
> > start the forest fire. But let's take that logir a
> step forward then,
> > shall we? A lot of people die on the highways each
> year. Couldn't we
> > eliminate that by simply closing all of them? No
> one on the highway = no
> > accidents on the highway. Once we get done with
> that, why don't we take
> > a look at autos in general. I mean, lots of people
> die in auto accidents
> > around the city too. Why don't we just....
> >
> > Anyway. Keep the roads open and nail the sorry
> SOB's who don't know how
> > to put out a campfire, says I.
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
> --
> _____________________________
> ...---=== Ray and Amanda ===---...
> '94 ZJ (cushy cruiser)
> '76 CJ5 (AZAV8ER)
> "DuctTape is like the force...It
> Has a Dark and Light side, and it
> Holds the Universe together!" :-)
> _____________________________
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
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> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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25454 From: Ralph Williams <ralphbw@q...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 7:03pm
Subject: Re: Mounting Tires
I always use R&G Tire. They have several stores around town. I
usually go to the original store on the east side of Flowing
Wells between Wetmore and River. Great guys, very, very fast
service and reasonable pricing. These guys *RUN* when they are
busy to get you in and out as quickly as possible.
Ralph
sinanturel@y... wrote:
>
> Anyone in Tucson know where I can get a pair of Swampers
> mounted for cheap. I can operate the old fashion machine, and am
> willing to give the tire irons a try !
> Thanks
>
> Sinan
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
25430 From: Chatfield, Mike <mike.chatfield@p...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 10:43am
Subject: Website - Tech articles now functional.
Enjoy!
- Mike
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25431 From: <sinanturel@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 10:54am
Subject: Mounting Tires
Anyone in Tucson know where I can get a pair of Swampers
mounted for cheap. I can operate the old fashion machine, and am
willing to give the tire irons a try !
Thanks
Sinan
25432 From: James Smith <jeepinsmitty@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 10:56am
Subject: Re: Re: Need one tire
Nick, Daryl,
Well shoot if you are giving two away and Daryl only
needs one, I would be happy to take the other one off
your hands, IT would help to have a Full size spare..
But, Only if Daryl doesn't want it and no one else has
claimed it..
Thanks,
James
--- nickcarrie@h... wrote:
> Daryl: I got two 31x10.50 goodyear wrangler, at. you
> can have I live
> in mesa, near off road, they're in pretty good
> shape. Come and get em
>
> Nick L. 93 yj soa
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Daryl Faust <louddog71@y...>
> wrote:
> > Anyone have one 31x10.50 tire laying around taking
> up
> > space?
> > Ran Over something and the hole is too big to
> repair.
> > The other tires are worn enough where I don't want
> to
> > put a new one on, but they have enough tread where
> I
> > don't need to replace all 4 yet.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
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25433 From: <jhogg1@m...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 11:01am
Subject: Re: Does anyone run a Jeepster Commando
I've got '67 spread out in my garage.
There'a a great forum at
http://bbs.off-road.com that's just for Jeepsters.
Great source of information, and very civil to boot!
Also, you can look at the American Jeepster Club's web site at
http://www.off-road.com/jeepster/
You will find out that there are very few after market parts
available, But a lot of parts are crossed over from CJ's . That said,
there are a couple of companies that do make lifted springs for the
Commando.
What's the year and condition of the one you're looking at?
Jerry
--- In az_vjc@y..., azmbtucson@y... wrote:
> Do any of you guys run a Jeepster Commando. I got a line
> on one and am seriously considering it. I am a little
> concerned that lifting it would be a serious endeavor of
> custom fabrication. What do you guys think?
>
> Ty
25434 From: Randall A. Mutter <ramaz@h...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 11:30am
Subject: Replacing rear main seal on 4.0
Hi Group
My son is looking at picking up a 88 XJ, however it has a leaking rear main seal in the engine. Has anyone replaced one of these? Is it do able at home or is it a garage thing?
Any input would be great.
Thanks
RAM 95 XJ
25435 From: Robert <rlpii@q...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 11:40am
Subject: Re: Idea for Posted Pictures
And I thought I was good lookin! No match for yous guys.
(That's what I get for thinking. My wife always tells me that I
don't think nor listen - or something like that!)
rlp
--- In az_vjc@y..., jeepin_in_az@y... wrote:
> Man, thats what I thought you looked like anyway! Great mug shot!
> Sure it wasn't taken at the TPD??
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Brent Lizakowski" <brent_lizakowski@h...>
wrote:
> > Funny you should say that....
> >
> > I was just up at K-Mart this past weekend having some portraits
> taken.
> > I went ahead and scanned one in and posted it:
> >
> > http://www.artsconnected.org/artsnetmn/identity/closc01d.jpg
> >
> > I think it's a great idea. I can't wait to see everyone else's
mug!
> >
> > Brent
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Robert" <rlpii@q...> wrote:
> > > As I was looking at some of the recent trip photos that get
> posted,
> > I
> > > thought that it might be a good idea if, while on the trip, we
> try
> > to
> > > get pictures of some of the members so we can put a face with a
> > name.
> > >
> > > Any comments?
> > >
> > > And, no I have not posted any pictures, as I am not very
computer
> > > savy. It's a pretty big deal for me just to open those
pictures
> > that
> > > you all post. I always look forward to seeing the areas and
rigs,
> > > and
> > > just thought that it would be interesting to see some of the
> folks
> > > that I read about on this list.
> > >
> > > rlp
> > > 74 CJ-5
> > > Westsider
25436 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 0:16pm
Subject: [Tech] All - Four Wheeling 101
4WD 101
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Notes:
1) This is information about 4-wheeling that I have gathered over the years. I will add more when I have the time.
2) The ASA4WDC offers 4x4 Awareness training. This is a great class for novice Four-Wheelers. Contact the ASA4WDC at asa4wdc@asa4wdc.org for class times and places.
Linda
Additionally, one of the original purposes of the AZ-VJC was to educate others about four-wheeling and Jeeping in particular. Many club members will be willing to "show you the ropes" if asked. -Jim
Rough Road Driving Tips
Never go four-wheeling alone! However, if you must go it alone, make sure someone "back home" knows where you are headed, how to get there, and when you are expected back.
Use low-range four-wheel drive and First gear
When starting the vehicle on obstacles, start in gear without pressing the clutch, giving a little throttle if needed.
Always use engine compression going downhill. Idle over obstacles. It may be necessary to use throttle slightly going uphill. Keep your foot off the clutch at all times. Start and stop with your key.
Always have the vehicle in gear; don't hold the clutch in while coasting down hills. This forces you to use the brakes. Brakes fail when they are too hot...
Drive slowly. Crawl over obstacles without using your clutch. If you start to spin or slip, give a little throttle. Keep the vehicle moving.
If you have an auto trans, use low-range and the lowest drive gear. Use the left foot on the brake and the right foot on the throttle. Apply gas only as needed.
Don't straddle large rocks. Put a tire on top of the rocks and crawl over slowly. Use gas only as needed.
Maintain adequate speed. Going fast will only tear up the environment -- and your vehicle.
Keep moving once you are committed. Proper momentum and smooth handling are the keys to forward progress
Trail Etiquette: How to Have Fun in the Long Run
Driver finesse is the key when it comes to traversing trails without upsetting anything or anybody (or getting through it, for that matter), but the vehicle can help achieve that goal if equipped correctly. Some things that work well with any 4x4 are as follows:
Less aggressive tires may do the job as well (or maybe even better depending on the terrain) while leaving less visible tracks.
Larger wider tires offer a bigger footprint spreading the load more and hence are less likely to leave ruts.
Airing down any tire makes it better conforming, in turn giving the same benefits as running a larger tire and, additionally, reducing the chance of wheel-spin.
Softer suspensions tend to let the axles articulate better, thereby keeping all four tires on the ground, and that really cuts down on spinning them and the need for speed.
Limited-slip differentials and/or lockers are usually a plus, as they prevent slippage. However, in tight turns they can lead to leaving tracks where an open diff won't.
Correct axle and/or transmission gearing allows a slower steadier progress, and especially when combined with the above, allows a much more enjoyable trip.
Used correctly, a winch will pull your vehicle across sections of the trail that would be hard or impossible to drive -- let alone without leaving evidence thereof. A winch, then, is ideal as a tool for eliminating the need to make new side trails.
Basically, anything that helps the vehicle to be more capable on the trail tends to make it easier to travel through it without stirring up dust or emotions.
Good things to bring along on a trail ride
Things that are absolutely necessary:
Tow strap
first aid kit
jack capable of lifting the vehicle and a tool capable of removing lug nuts
A spare tire equal to or within 3 inches diameter of existing tires on the vehicle
fire extinguisher
seat belts for all passengers
tow hooks front and rear
battery tie-downs (no bungee cords)
water for you, your passengers, pets, and 4x4
Tool kit
Things that are recommended:
CB radio
extra fuel (for really long trips)
spare vehicle parts
axe/hatchet
blanket or towel
shovel
flashlight (w/spare batteries)
Winch owners:
Winch owners should check cable prior to trail rides for frays, fishhooks, and snags. Also check the hook for cracks and signs of fatigue.
Winch owners should also carry winch accessories such as gloves and a blanket to throw over the cable.
Never use a trailer ball as an attachment point to winch or drag from. The ball can snap off, possibly injuring someone.
Miscellaneous
tire repair kit
tree saver
radiator hose
engine belts
fuses
saw
spare fasteners
duct tape
engine, transmission, brake, gear oils
trash bags
more spare parts
specialized tools
Etc.
Other Sources
Note: This is an older list and some of the tapes may no longer be available. I am sure there are more on the market. I'll try to keep this list up to date. - Linda
Frank Noel
Southwest Regional UFWDA Awareness Director (9-hour Driver Awareness Clinic)
Address Pending approval
Jean-Paul Luc Winter Driving School Video
P.O. Box 774167
Steam Boat Springs, CO 80477
(303) 879-6104
Rick Russell's Off-Highway Adventure Series
12475 Central Ave, Suite 352
Chino, California 91710
(909) 628-7227
Unstuck! A Guide to Vehicle Recovery and More. 4-Wheeling America
2134 S. Humboldt St.
Denver, CO 80210-4619
(303) 778-9144
Where the Pavement Ends (A Tread Lightly sponsored video)
298 24th St. Suite 325-C
Ogden, Utah 84401
(800) 966-9900
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mike Chatfield
25437 From: <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 0:15pm
Subject: Re: Idea for Posted Pictures
Your wife was right, you didn't think when you first posted it!
HAHAHA just kidding!
Mike
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Robert" <rlpii@q...> wrote:
> And I thought I was good lookin! No match for yous guys.
>
> (That's what I get for thinking. My wife always tells me that I
> don't think nor listen - or something like that!)
>
> rlp
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., jeepin_in_az@y... wrote:
> > Man, thats what I thought you looked like anyway! Great mug
shot!
> > Sure it wasn't taken at the TPD??
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Brent Lizakowski" <brent_lizakowski@h...>
> wrote:
> > > Funny you should say that....
> > >
> > > I was just up at K-Mart this past weekend having some portraits
> > taken.
> > > I went ahead and scanned one in and posted it:
> > >
> > > http://www.artsconnected.org/artsnetmn/identity/closc01d.jpg
> > >
> > > I think it's a great idea. I can't wait to see everyone else's
> mug!
> > >
> > > Brent
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Robert" <rlpii@q...> wrote:
> > > > As I was looking at some of the recent trip photos that get
> > posted,
> > > I
> > > > thought that it might be a good idea if, while on the trip,
we
> > try
> > > to
> > > > get pictures of some of the members so we can put a face with
a
> > > name.
> > > >
> > > > Any comments?
> > > >
> > > > And, no I have not posted any pictures, as I am not very
> computer
> > > > savy. It's a pretty big deal for me just to open those
> pictures
> > > that
> > > > you all post. I always look forward to seeing the areas and
> rigs,
> > > > and
> > > > just thought that it would be interesting to see some of the
> > folks
> > > > that I read about on this list.
> > > >
> > > > rlp
> > > > 74 CJ-5
> > > > Westsider
25438 From: <msa12171@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 0:33pm
Subject: Re: 4.56 or 4.88s
I found a site before when I was looking to regear that had a chart
for engine RPM for tire size to gear ratio. It is a great way to get
an idea of the RPM you want on the highway. Randysringandpinion.com
has a calculator that will calculate it for you if you input the
different options. That should give you an idea of which way to go.
Mike Anderson
(go with 4.88's!)
:)
25439 From: Robert <rlpii@q...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 0:39pm
Subject: LU - Re: Land Closer
I too hope they catch the slob. Last year when the big fire was
burning outside of Globe, I was visiting a friend's cabin up by Young
and as I was driving out towards Payson on a Forest Service Road, I
came across a camp fire that was still smoking and had a large log
smoldering in the ring. Along side the fire ring there was a very
large wet spot, apparently from the "camper" emptying an ice chest.
Not on the fire, but right next too it.
All the liquids that my wife and I had were two small water bottles
and an half gallon of milk. We spent about an half an hour putting
it out, using the "mud" he had left behind, milk, a little water and
a shovel. Did I mention that the wind was blowing pretty hard too.
Stopped at a camp ground on the way out and talked to the owner who
took 5 gals. of water back to the campsite and put it dead out.
No doubt in my mind that if we hadn't come along, Christopher Creek
would now be a desert. I truly do not understand people like that!
I now always carry 5 gals of water.
rlp
--- In az_vjc@y..., Daver <daver@c...> wrote:
> "David W. Smith" wrote:
> > I don't know if anyone seen this article in the Republic this
morning. It
> > basically say's that if the Forrest would have been closed the
fire would
> > possibly not happenend in flagstaff.
>
> Yeah, I saw that. I suppose that they are right, in a way, if no
one was
> allowed in there, there wouldn't have boon a campfire left burning
to
> start the forest fire. But let's take that logir a step forward
then,
> shall we? A lot of people die on the highways each year. Couldn't we
> eliminate that by simply closing all of them? No one on the highway
= no
> accidents on the highway. Once we get done with that, why don't we
take
> a look at autos in general. I mean, lots of people die in auto
accidents
> around the city too. Why don't we just....
>
> Anyway. Keep the roads open and nail the sorry SOB's who don't know
how
> to put out a campfire, says I.
25440 From: Robert <rlpii@q...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 0:44pm
Subject: Re: Idea for Posted Pictures
My wife is always right! And I'm not kidding :-( (grin)
--- In az_vjc@y..., jeepin_in_az@y... wrote:
> Your wife was right, you didn't think when you first posted it!
> HAHAHA just kidding!
>
> Mike
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Robert" <rlpii@q...> wrote:
> > And I thought I was good lookin! No match for yous guys.
> >
> > (That's what I get for thinking. My wife always tells me that I
> > don't think nor listen - or something like that!)
> >
> > rlp
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., jeepin_in_az@y... wrote:
> > > Man, thats what I thought you looked like anyway! Great mug
> shot!
> > > Sure it wasn't taken at the TPD??
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Brent Lizakowski" <brent_lizakowski@h...>
> > wrote:
> > > > Funny you should say that....
> > > >
> > > > I was just up at K-Mart this past weekend having some
portraits
> > > taken.
> > > > I went ahead and scanned one in and posted it:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.artsconnected.org/artsnetmn/identity/closc01d.jpg
> > > >
> > > > I think it's a great idea. I can't wait to see everyone
else's
> > mug!
> > > >
> > > > Brent
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Robert" <rlpii@q...> wrote:
> > > > > As I was looking at some of the recent trip photos that get
> > > posted,
> > > > I
> > > > > thought that it might be a good idea if, while on the trip,
> we
> > > try
> > > > to
> > > > > get pictures of some of the members so we can put a face
with
> a
> > > > name.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any comments?
> > > > >
> > > > > And, no I have not posted any pictures, as I am not very
> > computer
> > > > > savy. It's a pretty big deal for me just to open those
> > pictures
> > > > that
> > > > > you all post. I always look forward to seeing the areas
and
> > rigs,
> > > > > and
> > > > > just thought that it would be interesting to see some of
the
> > > folks
> > > > > that I read about on this list.
> > > > >
> > > > > rlp
> > > > > 74 CJ-5
> > > > > Westsider
25441 From: <ansink@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 1:37pm
Subject: FS - DT 3000 Shocks for YJ (~ 4" lift)
The shocks are Doetsch Tech 3000. The specific information is as
follows:
Front: Part # DT3386
compressed 17"
extended 29 1/2"
Rear: Part # 32650 LL
compressed 14 1/2"
extended 24 1/2"
There is also a steering stabilizer that fits the stock location. All
of the shocks have only had approximately 3,000 miles on them. They
have never been offroad and are not bent/ dented in the body either.
All (5) for $55. Shoot me an e-mail or give me a call @ 602-318-
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25442 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 2:08pm
Subject: RE: Land Closer
Here is a better one....
If the idiot that composed that awesome comment was not employed by the
Republic, we wouldn't have to read the garbage that he/she wrote. DOH!
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: David W. Smith [mailto:dwsmith69@h...]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 9:08 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Land Closer
I don't know if anyone seen this article in the Republic this morning. It
basically say's that if the Forrest would have been closed the fire would
possibly not happenend in flagstaff.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/0614fire14.html
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25443 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 2:16pm
Subject: RE: Land Closer
Maybe we all need to write a letter to the Republic about the stupidity of
his comments.
Thinking if we had closed the land there would have been no fire, if we
eliminate electricity no one can be shocked and there would be no need for
rolling blackouts, if we eliminate water in anything but an 8 oz cup we can
stop drownings, if we eliminate gas powered vehicles and factories and
breathing by animals and humans we can stop pollution, if we grow grass in
place of roadways and freeways we could produce more oxygen and reduce
global warming, if we don't eat anything that is alive we can stop
cannabalism, etc...
This would make for some broke, out of work always on the run from debt
collectors, stinky, hungry, out of breath cold people. Just the type of
place these idiots want.
So what would kill us first, teh debt collectors, the cold temps, the lack
of food(if you think about it plants are alive too) or the lack of
breathing?
Sorry had to vent, I feel much better now. Of course if I could give the
moron that wrote it just 1% of my common sense I would feel like the King of
the World and maybe we could get a decent writer on the staff!!!!!!!!!!!
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:08:11 -0700, Stu Olson wrote:
> Here is a better one....
>
> If the idiot that composed that awesome comment was not employed by the
> Republic, we wouldn't have to read the garbage that he/she wrote. DOH!
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David W. Smith [mailto:dwsmith69@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 9:08 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Land Closer
>
>
> I don't know if anyone seen this article in the Republic this morning. It
> basically say's that if the Forrest would have been closed the fire would
> possibly not happenend in flagstaff.
>
> http://www.azcentral.com/news/0614fire14.html
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25444 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 3:49pm
Subject: Land Closer due to fire in Flag
Well I must say that if there used to be wheeling here in Flag, there
is absolutely none now. Schultz Pass is closed, Snowbowl road is
closed, and from talking to the USFS guys guarding the FR gates they
wouldn't mind if everything was closed. Talking with some of the
hotshot crews, I learned the fire was caused by an unattended camp
fire right off of Snow Bowl road. As of this morning it has reached
2000 acres, with less than 5 percent containment. My favorite
running trails are all closed, pretty much the whole San Francisco
peaks area is closed, and everywhere there are no campfire signs up.
A-1 mountain also has a small fire burning from a campfire, but only
one crew is working it. Personally, I cannot leave my camp until the
fire has been covered in dirt, all of my extra water poured on it,
and I am positive it is out. Everyone do your part, carry an
extinguisher even for day trips in the desert, and use common sense
when burning.
Chris "Smokey" M.
87 YJ
--- In az_vjc@y..., "David W. Smith" <dwsmith69@h...> wrote:
> I don't know if anyone seen this article in the Republic this
morning. It
> basically say's that if the Forrest would have been closed the fire
would
> possibly not happenend in flagstaff.
>
> http://www.azcentral.com/news/0614fire14.html
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25445 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 3:52pm
Subject: [LU] Testing the functionality here...
Test
Mike Chatfield
25446 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 3:53pm
Subject: [LU] Testing the functionality here...
Test
Mike Chatfield
25447 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 3:53pm
Subject: Re: Does anyone run a Jeepster Commando
My cousin had one, put 31s on it and played in the mud all day in
South Carolina, but other than that I don't know anything about them.
I don't think it was lifted though.
--- In az_vjc@y..., jhogg1@m... wrote:
> I've got '67 spread out in my garage.
> There'a a great forum at
> http://bbs.off-road.com that's just for Jeepsters.
> Great source of information, and very civil to boot!
> Also, you can look at the American Jeepster Club's web site at
> http://www.off-road.com/jeepster/
>
> You will find out that there are very few after market parts
> available, But a lot of parts are crossed over from CJ's . That
said,
> there are a couple of companies that do make lifted springs for the
> Commando.
> What's the year and condition of the one you're looking at?
>
> Jerry
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., azmbtucson@y... wrote:
> > Do any of you guys run a Jeepster Commando. I got a line
> > on one and am seriously considering it. I am a little
> > concerned that lifting it would be a serious endeavor of
> > custom fabrication. What do you guys think?
> >
> > Ty
25448 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 4:42pm
Subject: Re:Idea for posted pics
Brent - I didn't know you smoked!!
At 09:16 PM 6/14/2001 +0000, you wrote:
Message: 8
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:16:05 -0000
From: "Brent Lizakowski"
Subject: Re: Idea for Posted Pictures
Funny you should say that....
I was just up at K-Mart this past weekend having some portraits taken.
I went ahead and scanned one in and posted it:
http://www.artsconnected.org/artsnetmn/identity/closc01d.jpg
I think it's a great idea. I can't wait to see everyone else's mug!
Brent
25449 From: Ray B. <kb7skv@c...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 4:50pm
Subject: Re: LU - Re: Land Closer
On another track with the same idea, if the forest was closed, then there would
be absolutely no roads, trails, tracks etc...therefore, if there were a fire
(lightning) fire crews would have NO access!!!! Our trails in the forrests
are usually old logging and fire control roads, by using them we maintain
access to the areas for EVERYONE and this obviously includes
'emergency-services'!!!
Just our .02!!
Daver wrote:
> "David W. Smith" wrote:
> > I don't know if anyone seen this article in the Republic this morning. It
> > basically say's that if the Forrest would have been closed the fire would
> > possibly not happenend in flagstaff.
>
> Yeah, I saw that. I suppose that they are right, in a way, if no one was
> allowed in there, there wouldn't have boon a campfire left burning to
> start the forest fire. But let's take that logir a step forward then,
> shall we? A lot of people die on the highways each year. Couldn't we
> eliminate that by simply closing all of them? No one on the highway = no
> accidents on the highway. Once we get done with that, why don't we take
> a look at autos in general. I mean, lots of people die in auto accidents
> around the city too. Why don't we just....
>
> Anyway. Keep the roads open and nail the sorry SOB's who don't know how
> to put out a campfire, says I.
>
>
>
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25450 From: <mike.chatfield@p...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 4:55pm
Subject: Website - Classifieds
Classifieds section is now operational.
Also I added a "Webrings" page to list the webrings that the AzVJC
belongs to.
With this, the website is pretty much complete. I may decide later
on to add the ability to link pictures to Tech Articles, Classifieds
and maybe Product reviews.
If anyone finds a defect, please let me know.
Thanks
- Mike
25451 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 5:04pm
Subject: Pricing Question
Hi all...I've got some tranny stuff taking up space in my garage that I want
to try and get rid of but have no idea what to ask for it...maybe some you
could help me out....
GM M22 4 speed tranny w/Dana 20 transfer case adapter
GM Splatter Shield (Magazines have these listed @ about 400.00)
Clutch assy (plate, flywheel, linkage, etc)
any help would be greatly appreciated....
TJ Gill
75 CJ5
327/TH350
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25452 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 5:30pm
Subject: RE: LU - Re: Land Closer
How about the fact that now that the logging is slowed down so much to save
the owls there is so much dead wood and under brush that it makes the fires
harder to get under control.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Ray B. [mailto:kb7skv@c...]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 4:51 PM
To: Daver
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: LU - Re: [az_vjc] Land Closer
On another track with the same idea, if the forest was closed, then there
would
be absolutely no roads, trails, tracks etc...therefore, if there were a fire
(lightning) fire crews would have NO access!!!! Our trails in the forrests
are usually old logging and fire control roads, by using them we maintain
access to the areas for EVERYONE and this obviously includes
'emergency-services'!!!
Just our .02!!
Daver wrote:
> "David W. Smith" wrote:
> > I don't know if anyone seen this article in the Republic this morning.
It
> > basically say's that if the Forrest would have been closed the fire
would
> > possibly not happenend in flagstaff.
>
> Yeah, I saw that. I suppose that they are right, in a way, if no one was
> allowed in there, there wouldn't have boon a campfire left burning to
> start the forest fire. But let's take that logir a step forward then,
> shall we? A lot of people die on the highways each year. Couldn't we
> eliminate that by simply closing all of them? No one on the highway = no
> accidents on the highway. Once we get done with that, why don't we take
> a look at autos in general. I mean, lots of people die in auto accidents
> around the city too. Why don't we just....
>
> Anyway. Keep the roads open and nail the sorry SOB's who don't know how
> to put out a campfire, says I.
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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25453 From: Daryl Faust <louddog71@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 5:43pm
Subject: RE: LU - Re: Land Closer
I like to think the responsible campers that control
their fires and put them out when they leave help
reduce forest fire risk because they gather all the
dead wood laying around on the ground and burn it
responsibly. No campers, more dead wood on the
ground, bigger hotter wild fires? Am I wrong?
--- Hackle <hackle@q...> wrote:
> How about the fact that now that the logging is
> slowed down so much to save
> the owls there is so much dead wood and under brush
> that it makes the fires
> harder to get under control.
>
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me
> as a member!
> http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ray B. [mailto:kb7skv@c...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 4:51 PM
> To: Daver
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: LU - Re: [az_vjc] Land Closer
>
> On another track with the same idea, if the forest
> was closed, then there
> would
> be absolutely no roads, trails, tracks
> etc...therefore, if there were a fire
> (lightning) fire crews would have NO access!!!!
> Our trails in the forrests
> are usually old logging and fire control roads, by
> using them we maintain
> access to the areas for EVERYONE and this obviously
> includes
> 'emergency-services'!!!
>
> Just our .02!!
>
> Daver wrote:
>
> > "David W. Smith" wrote:
> > > I don't know if anyone seen this article in the
> Republic this morning.
> It
> > > basically say's that if the Forrest would have
> been closed the fire
> would
> > > possibly not happenend in flagstaff.
> >
> > Yeah, I saw that. I suppose that they are right,
> in a way, if no one was
> > allowed in there, there wouldn't have boon a
> campfire left burning to
> > start the forest fire. But let's take that logir a
> step forward then,
> > shall we? A lot of people die on the highways each
> year. Couldn't we
> > eliminate that by simply closing all of them? No
> one on the highway = no
> > accidents on the highway. Once we get done with
> that, why don't we take
> > a look at autos in general. I mean, lots of people
> die in auto accidents
> > around the city too. Why don't we just....
> >
> > Anyway. Keep the roads open and nail the sorry
> SOB's who don't know how
> > to put out a campfire, says I.
> >
> >
> >
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> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> '76 CJ5 (AZAV8ER)
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> Has a Dark and Light side, and it
> Holds the Universe together!" :-)
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25454 From: Ralph Williams <ralphbw@q...>
Date: Thu Jun 14, 2001 7:03pm
Subject: Re: Mounting Tires
I always use R&G Tire. They have several stores around town. I
usually go to the original store on the east side of Flowing
Wells between Wetmore and River. Great guys, very, very fast
service and reasonable pricing. These guys *RUN* when they are
busy to get you in and out as quickly as possible.
Ralph
sinanturel@y... wrote:
>
> Anyone in Tucson know where I can get a pair of Swampers
> mounted for cheap. I can operate the old fashion machine, and am
> willing to give the tire irons a try !
> Thanks
>
> Sinan
>
>
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