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25255 From: Nick Notestine <nnote@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 0:12am
Subject: Empty lot wheeling
This will be the third time I've written this.....
This is the word from a policeman that I knew (after I wheeled in a lot and
asked him).
Unless the OWNER of the property complains you are not tresspassing and you
are fine. He stated that he wouldn't be concerned about people there unless
they were breaking another law. In other words, be cool, don't act stupid
and be spilling oil, setting a tire bead by blowing it up and other various
examples. I would also say it wouldn't be a good idea for 25 Jeeps to show!
If your not breaking the law and the owner hasn't complained the most they
can do is check your ID and tell you to leave.
Nick
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25256 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 8:49pm
Subject: WHOA!! Thursday wheeling in Tempe
This whole idea was supposed to be for fun. The last thng I wanted was to
piss somebody or, worse, start a fight among the group. I thought it would
be fun. My thoughts were, "Hmm.. Get some burgers, and some fries, do a
little wheeling for an hour or two, and swap some stories." This is not, a
beer fest, or shoot your guns or race around and play tag with the jeeps.
Just some playin on the dirt hills with our 4x4s. THATS IT.
I DID NOT, nor did I WANT this to turn into such bull#$@%. I dont know
about you people, but between my shop, trying to pay an employee, keep the
IRS off my back, pay a landlord, keep a grilfreind happy, keep a business
running, and trying to keep both of my POS 4x4 running, I all ready have
enough drama in my life thank you. And I imagine everyone else in the club
has their own problems to deal with, kids, mortage, IRS, etc,etc, and there
jobs. The last thing we need is more drama. I think we can all agree on that
I plan on going, I have been there dozens of times myself, it is my little
play area, Sad thats all I have time for, but I will take it. PLEASE, let
the issue drop. If you want to come, great. Yes, I will enjoy the company,
wheeling by yourself sucks. If you have a probelm with it well, Im truly
sorry, offending people was the last thing on my mind. We will be on a or
best behavoir. Promise. I dont want to lose my favorite place to wheel any
more than other poeple are worried about our club getting a bad rap. So
before this gets any worse... let it go. We are all grown ups, we can do
what we want and take the heat if we start a fire. But we dont need to
divide the club like this. Not on something so trival.
If you still need to voice your opionin about what I want to do, or if you
have a personal a problem with me, or even the poeple going. Please flame
personaly, and spare evrybody else the drama and save the space for tires,
dents, lifts, lockers.....
Again, I deeply apologize for the trouble.
Sincerly,
John Kanicsar
25257 From: Scott Legge <scottlegge@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 3:13am
Subject: D30 strength.
Ok I am a pretty conservative 4 wheeler. My front dana 30 has an open diff
and I think 27 spline axles. How big of a tire could I get away with
conservatively before I run the fear of breaking stuff? Is my dana 44 where
I should be concerned? Is there a general rule of thumb I am missing? TIA.
Scott Legge
25258 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 5:37am
Subject: Re: D30 strength.
I've been running 35's for quite a while now. I have an ARB, which I use
only when needed. I mark the u-joints to keep an eye on them to tell when
they're getting ready to pop (bearing cap starts to spin when the yoke
stretches). I've had to change out my axle shafts once so far (easy
job)...they never broke, but the yokes were stretched pretty good.
Anyway, the D30 (in a TJ) is really pretty strong. Uses 297x (D44) joints,
and can take quite a lot, if your gentle on the throttle, esp. when the
wheels are turned.
Doug
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From: "Scott Legge" <scottlegge@h...>
To: "AZVJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 3:13 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] D30 strength.
> Ok I am a pretty conservative 4 wheeler. My front dana 30 has an open diff
> and I think 27 spline axles. How big of a tire could I get away with
> conservatively before I run the fear of breaking stuff? Is my dana 44
where
> I should be concerned? Is there a general rule of thumb I am missing? TIA.
>
> Scott Legge
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25259 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 6:32am
Subject: Re: Re: New poll for az_vjc
Good Point!!!! I don't buy Boggers or Swampers for the street. I know they
are terrible for that! I buy them for wheeling. Lots of people I know have
a set of trail tires and a set of street tires. So I agree, that poll
doesn't help much to settle the debate and may mislead some to think that
Swampers or BFGs or whatever are a bad choice. Tires are a fickle little
discussion. Ask 5 people what they like and you'll get 8 different answers.
The only REAL solution is to just try 'em and experience them yourself.
Eventually they will wear out and you'll have to go buy something new again.
Maybe you stick with what you got, maybe you do something different. That's
what is so great about wheeling. Nothing beats PERSONAL experience.
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25260 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 6:33am
Subject: Re: BFG vs GY MT's
The way I read the post was, after they got on the rock, and the rock was
either a little wet or the rock was slippery, and thats when they slipped
off the rock. Saturday after the predator run, I was talking to someone
about the Pro Comps, and they do seam to stick better when they are a
little wet too. JMO. Every one has one about tires. I also could have
taken whta the wrote wrong, maybe they can clariy it....
--- Daddy Longlegs <osmtj@y...> wrote:
>
> Okay I have to clarify something here. The original "slipping off the
> rocks" statement was made by either Ross or Bill M or both. Anyway the
> point was basically a comparison of the side lugs on the Swamper SX to
> the MT/R. It's obvious that the SX has the most aggressive side lugs out
> there. It was in reference to using the sidewall lugs to bite into a
> vertical surface and carry you up it on the rockface on the sidewall
> lugs alone. I've only seen the SX do this. A BFG, MT/R, Pro Comp or any
> other tire including the Swamper TSL radial and SSR could never be
> expected to do what was discussed in this scenario. I've witnessed it
> with the SX's first hand and driven on many 4+ trails on my MT/R's. Next
> to the Swamper SX you can't find a better offroad tire. Of course other
> than the Swamper Bogger you couldn't find a worse onroad tire than the
> SX. Apples and oranges folks. The MT/R is the best compromise out there
> for dual use.
> When I finally get my trailer this summer and begin towing the TJ to
> runs you can bet that there will be a set of SX's on my TJ within
> months. Of course I will also keep the MT/R's in the garage for when I
> don't use the trailer or go play in the snow.
> Scott Kruize
> Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...> wrote: Ok, I know you are looking
> for MT's, and here is my experiance with BFG
> and Pro Comp MT's.
>
> My first set of tires on my old Jeep was the 32x11.50 BFG MT's. They
> seemed like they did not wear at all! BUT, they were not *sticky* on the
> rocks. I now have the Pro Comp MT's, and they stick real nice, and the
> sidewall is great so far. I ran Predator Saturday night, down to 11 psi,
> and the tires were awsome. I have been very impressed with them, and
> they
> are cheaper than BFG's. They do seam to wear a little quicker than the
> BFG's. As far as GY MT's, I have heard they are great but do have a
> problem slipping off rocks. I don't have the experiance with them, only
> what I read from fellow members.
> Oy ya, on road, the pro comps are really nice. They have that nice hum,
> but they do not wonder, and thats with both sways disco'd!
>
>
>
>
>
> --- "Chris R." wrote:
> > Ok, still comparing tires. Can anyone give me some insight as to the
> > benefits that make either of these tires better than the other? Is it
> > really worth the cost of one over the other?
> >
> > Please include performance on and off road.
> >
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25261 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 7:21am
Subject: RE: Re: New poll for az_vjc
With all the talk about tires going around I thought I would ask a question.
I am running TSL SX supper swampers 35x15.5 and they are about shot(dry
rotting as they are 7 years old). I am thinking about going to the new
Parnelli Jones Dirt Grip in 36x14.5. Have any of you used or seen these
tires in action? I have not been able to find any comparisons in any mags or
the internet
-----Original Message-----
From: mudbogr@a... [mailto:mudbogr@a...]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 7:53 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: New poll for az_vjc
Unfortunately this poll won't tell anyone much. I could vote for
everything given the stated purpose. Each of these tires excelles at
a specific purpose and all of them are worthy of recommendation.
Although if you are looking for good street tires with off road
ability it would be a couple; whereas mud would be another; and rocks
would be yet another. There is no tire that excelles everywhere over
any other tire. It is all based on priority of use and qualities that
determine the best tire.
If I could, I'd have a set of all 4 for use in their specific
strengths.
--- In az_vjc@y..., az_vjc@y... wrote:
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> az_vjc group:
>
> What brand and model tire do you
> have/had that you would reccommend?
>
> o Swampers
> o Boggers
> o MTR's
> o BFG Mud TA's
> o Other
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/polls
>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
> web site listed above.
>
> Thanks!
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25262 From: <Jeepguy@z...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 7:47am
Subject: Re: ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
Okay buddy I just forwarded your e-mail to the cops... they did tell
me to have you expect the mattress police by tonight! LOL I think
some people need to go wheelin, and get out of the city because I
think some eggs have been scrambled!! What is wrong with everyone? No
more fighting, no more flames, no more nukes! oops anyway you guys
get the point! I was giving John the benefit of the doubt and not
reading that he turned everyone in, but maybe was trying to find out
IF in fact it is legal or not. I would't have done it the smae way
becuause like the others said... you just inadvertently turned in
your fellow Jeepers. GROUP HUG!!!!! -Rob
--- In az_vjc@y..., Rick VH <rick_vh@y...> wrote:
> You gotta be kidding me! You had nothing better to do
> with your day than to call and wait on hold just to
> rat out other members in the jeep club? Especially
> when the Police have better things to attend to such
> as burglaries, murders, rapes, and armed robberies.
> Everytime i've tried to get the police to help me on
> something such as when my house was burglerized, or
> when my jeep was broken into, or the time someone hit
> a car of mine in front of my house and took off, or
> when i was creamed by some drunk on 7th st, it took
> several hours for them to respond, even then they
> couldnt do anything about it. You have to waste their
> time because someone just *might* go drive their jeep
> in some dirt in an empty parking lot. Did they give
> you a Junior Police officer badge so you can
> personally come down and hand out tickets?
>
> Next time you rat someone out, save yourself some time
> and let them know that the wiring on my brake light is
> suspect and intermittantly doesnt work. I also drove
> 10mph over the speed limit today, and last week a gas
> reciept blew out on the highway. Oh yea, i also didnt
> signal before turning into my driveway, I tore the
> label off my mattress, and left the cap off a felt tip
> pen last night too.
>
> Thanks,
>
> rick
25263 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 7:49am
Subject: Action Alert
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USA-ALL ACTION ALERT
YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS IMPORTANT MATTER IS APPRECIATED
THIS ALERT CONTAINS IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS AND QUICK COMMENT SUGGESTIONS
ACTION NEEDED BY JUNE 20, 2001!
Situation:
The Cedar City Ranger District of the Dixie National Forest is conducting an
analysis in
preparation for an Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) that will amend the
travel plan for the
Duck Creek-Swains area. Importantly, the process will try and go one giant
step further and
attempt to amend the Forest Plan and impose a "Closed Unless Posted Open"
(CUPO) travel regime for
the area.
How it affects you:
Even if you don't recreate in the Duck Creek area, this plan amendment could
serve as a "template"
for the rest of the Dixie National Forest and perhaps other forests near
you. It is vitally
important that every one comment by June 20, 2001. Comment suggestions are
contained in this
ACTION ALERT. Comment letters can be submitted via e-mail. PLEASE TAKE
ACTION TODAY!
Thank you,
Brian Hawthorne
Utah Shared Access Alliance
Here's the scoop:
The Duck Creek-Swains Creek area is located in the Dixie National Forest
along the scenic Hwy 14
that travels between Cedar City and Hwy 89. The area is prized for its
world-class snowmobiling,
hunting, 4 wheeling, and ATV riding. These varied recreational activities
occur on a large network
of old logging roads.
A few years ago, the Forest Service (FS) attempted to close over 75% of the
roads via an
administrative action, with virtually no public input. After hearing from an
outraged citizenry,
as well as being informed by USA-ALL that such illegal road closures would
likely land them in
court, the FS has agreed to prepare an EIS and has asked for our input.
USA-ALL representatives met with various user groups to discuss the FS's
proposal and spent
several days touring the planning area. Even though the proposal closes over
50% of the roads and
trails, it is clear that the FS has attempted to designate a travel system
similar to the Paiute
ATV Trail system. We believe that such a system is appropriate for this
area.
While the proposed action has potential, it contains several major
shortcomings that will result
in a situation that is simply unmanageable. That is why your input is vital.
The FS must be
persuaded to make these changes in the early part of the process, otherwise,
users will be left
with an inadequate recreational opportunity and the FS will be left with an
unenforceable travel
plan.
ACTION ITEMS:
1. If you would like to follow this process closely, please e-mail Priscilla
Summers at
psummers@f... and ask her to send you the information on the proposed
action. The packet will
include a description of their proposed action and some maps.
2. Submit Comments. Use the comment suggestions below to submit comments.
You can e mail them to
Pricilla Summers at psummers@f...
COMMENT SUGGESTIONS:
Comment letters should be mailed to: Ronald Wilson, District Ranger, Cedar
City Ranger District,
Dixie National Forest, 82 North 100 East Cedar City, UT 84720
OR via e-mail to: Pricilla Summers psummers@f...
ISSUE: The proposed action would amend the Forest Plan to impose a Closed
Unless Posted Open
travel regime for this area. This action is inappropriate for several
reasons:
*CUPO often leads to misunderstanding among users and law enforcement.
* CUPO is a major, controversial change in the Forest Plan. This kind of
change should not be made
at the district or sub-district level.
* The Dixie NF will be amending their Forest Plan soon. To consider such a
controversial change in
the plan at this time is inappropriate.
*CUPO is too controversial and in some case found to be illegal.
SUGGESTED COMMENT: Insist the FS abandon the effort to amend the Forest Plan
to impose a closed
unless posted open travel designation.
ISSUE: The proposed action puts most OHV riders on well-maintained Forest
development roads that
are suitable for travel even by passenger car. There are very few rugged
roads left open, and
almost no real ATV trails. This is dangerous and shows a lack of understand
of what kind of
experience is desired by the OHV user.
SUGGESTED COMMENT: Tell the FS how much you enjoy the rugged trails. Tell
them now much you hate
to ride your OHV on maintained roads. Remind them that this is not the
experience you travel to
the forest for.
ISSUE: The proposed action closes many, many campsites and hunting camps.
There is a very real
concern about the impacts of displaced camping by OHV'ers and hunters.
SUGGESTED COMMENT: Ask the FS if they know how many campsites they are
closing. Ask them how they
plan to deal with the displaced camping, and if they have adequately planned
for hunting camps.
ISSUE: The FS has stated that formulating a travel plan for the entire
district would be too large
and complicated for their staff. While there may be some justification for
this, it has resulted
in a major flaw in the proposed action because it does not consider access
in and out of the area.
This is a major pitfall identified by local landowners and business owners.
Without some assurance
that access to the Paiute and Freemont trail systems, the town of Hatch,
Panguitch Lake, and
BrianHead will be allowed, the travel plan means little.
SUGGESTED COMMENT: Ask the FS to expand the planning process in order to
designate OHV trails that
connect to the Paiute and Freemont trail systems as well as the proposed
High Desert Trail.
ISSUE: The FS has published 2 different dates as comment deadlines. In the
Dear Interested Citizen
letter dated May 21, 2001 they ask for comments by June 25th. In the Notice
of Intent (NOI) they
ask for comments by June 20th.
SUGGESTED COMMENT: Ask the FS: Why the comment deadline differs in the Dear
Interested Citizen
letter and the NOI?
######## END OF ALERT #########
Regards
Randy Siade
Engineering Manager
Unisys Unigen Operations
6161 W. Erie Street
Chandler, AZ 85226
Phone 480 783-5911
Fax 480 783-5960
Cell 602-329-0699
randy.siade@u...
25264 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 7:56am
Subject: RE: Re: New poll for az_vjc
There is a write up on them in the JP magazine, the same one Scott Kruise
a couple of days ago. If you can't find it, let me know, I have the mag
at work, and I can type the write up and send it to you.
--- "Siade, Randy" <randy.siade@u...> wrote:
> With all the talk about tires going around I thought I would ask a
> question.
> I am running TSL SX supper swampers 35x15.5 and they are about shot(dry
> rotting as they are 7 years old). I am thinking about going to the new
> Parnelli Jones Dirt Grip in 36x14.5. Have any of you used or seen these
> tires in action? I have not been able to find any comparisons in any
> mags or
> the internet
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mudbogr@a... [mailto:mudbogr@a...]
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 7:53 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: New poll for az_vjc
>
>
> Unfortunately this poll won't tell anyone much. I could vote for
> everything given the stated purpose. Each of these tires excelles at
> a specific purpose and all of them are worthy of recommendation.
> Although if you are looking for good street tires with off road
> ability it would be a couple; whereas mud would be another; and rocks
> would be yet another. There is no tire that excelles everywhere over
> any other tire. It is all based on priority of use and qualities that
> determine the best tire.
>
> If I could, I'd have a set of all 4 for use in their specific
> strengths.
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., az_vjc@y... wrote:
> >
> > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> > az_vjc group:
> >
> > What brand and model tire do you
> > have/had that you would reccommend?
> >
> > o Swampers
> > o Boggers
> > o MTR's
> > o BFG Mud TA's
> > o Other
> >
> >
> > To vote, please visit the following web page:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/polls
> >
> > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
> > web site listed above.
> >
> > Thanks!
>
>
>
>
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>
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25265 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 7:54am
Subject: RE: ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
Double horse****.....
Having been a local Police Officer, trust me. They do not care one bit about
this.
To many dount shops going out of business to worry about ;-)
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: Joey K
To: johnrabenius@y...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 6/11/01 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
Horse****!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: johnrabenius@y... [mailto:johnrabenius@y...]
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:50 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
>
>
> OK,
>
> I called the city of Tempe Police department's information number
> (480-966-6211), explained what you wanted to do, and they said to
> call the Tempe City code compliance division (480-350-8372). I called
> them and got a recording explaining that they were recieving
> excessive call volumes, and to leave a message describing the
> complaint or nuisance, my number, and they would call me back.
>
> I'll post the answer I get when they call back.
>
> I'd rather call and know for sure, rather than risk a citation.
>
> No, I did not say WHEN you would be out there, or WHO wanted to go.
>
> Personally, I'm betting on citations for all who show. Remember: that
> also means points on your license, and higher insurance premiums.
>
> Anybody with outstanding warrants might want to pass . . .
>
> John Rabenius
>
>
>
>
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25266 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 8:06am
Subject: Re: Re: ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
James,
Not sure where you got your info, but John has been a member for quite some
time and unless he recently quit still is.
While tipping the hat a bit by making the call might upset a few he was
trying to be a friend by warning those who may attend of the potential
citations(and these can be costly). To me someone who is trying to save me
some coin and giving me a warning of the potential hazard of the citations
is a friend.
That said it does not mean you have to listen, you can still go wheel there,
if you get caught play dumb and maybe you can get out of it, then again
maybe you won't. At least with John's research you will know what to expect
if an officer shows up.
Basically he was letting you know the potential consequences of your
actions, he was not telling you not to do, just trying to let you know what
the potential outcome might be.
So James if we are all trying to be friends maybe you should tone down your
responses. You yourself could have used your advice and been a little nicer
in your response if you had taken to heart the "Friends" theme.
In either case have fun whether you go or not.
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 01:49:29 -0000, James Towle wrote:
> John Rabenius,
>
> You know I usually try to stay away from this flame sh** but.... why
> don't you take a pill. We try to be friends here at AZVJC, since I
> noticed you are not a member of AZVJC and you are not try to be a
> friend why don't you take a friggin' hike.
>
> --James Towle
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., johnrabenius@y... wrote:
> > OK,
> >
> > I called the city of Tempe Police department's information number
> > (480-966-6211), explained what you wanted to do, and they said to
> > call the Tempe City code compliance division (480-350-8372). I
> called
> > them and got a recording explaining that they were recieving
> > excessive call volumes, and to leave a message describing the
> > complaint or nuisance, my number, and they would call me back.
> >
> > I'll post the answer I get when they call back.
> >
> > I'd rather call and know for sure, rather than risk a citation.
> >
> > No, I did not say WHEN you would be out there, or WHO wanted to go.
> >
> > Personally, I'm betting on citations for all who show. Remember:
> that
> > also means points on your license, and higher insurance premiums.
> >
> > Anybody with outstanding warrants might want to pass . . .
> >
> > John Rabenius
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25267 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 8:07am
Subject: Re: Re: ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
Jeepguy@z... wrote:
> I was giving John the benefit of the doubt and not
> reading that he turned everyone in, but maybe was trying to find out
> IF in fact it is legal or not. I would't have done it the smae way
> becuause like the others said... you just inadvertently turned in
> your fellow Jeepers. GROUP HUG!!!!! -Rob
I too read the original message as an attempt to determine the legality
of the event. Doesn't matter to me in that I won't be attending one way
or the other, but I _am_ curious as to the legality of the event, and
find _very_ interesting the amount of crap heaped on johnrabenius for
simply trying to determine said legality. Seems to me like it would be
something y'all would WANT to know. To each his own, I suppose, and I
hope john posts his findings.
As to inadvertently "turn[ing] in your fellow Jeepers," well, that would
be assuming that it IS illegal, and that they are doing something wrong.
As that isn't necessarily the case, I don't think he was turning anyone
in. I DO think that is appropiate for y'all to know whether it is legal
or not, from there I suppose you can make your own decision. I rode
motorbikes illegally around Forest Lakes up on the Rim for years, the
cops were THERE and they didn't care, no one cared. The trails had been
there for years when they were closed. Is that right or wrong? I dunno.
It just kinda _IS_ in our world today.
Take care.
-daver
25268 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 8:12am
Subject: Re: question?????
Actually if I remember correctly we had 49 Jeeps and 1 Blazer.
If you go to my website, then Trips then find the link for that run, go to
the bottom of the review there are links to the pics.
Chris
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:06:49 -0700 (PDT), Daddy Longlegs wrote:
>
> The largest I've seen is the first Tax Relief Run of 2000. There had to
have been close to 65 Jeeps that day. Somewhere there are some groups pics.
Anyone know where?
> Scott
> Peter Zuleger <azxjman@h...> wrote: What was the largest number
of members that ever showed for a event.
> With over 600 members that would be a site to behold.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
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25269 From: David W. Smith <dwsmith69@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 8:18am
Subject: Re: New Product: TJ flares for YJs
I have TJ flares on my YJ and there is no way to use the factory mounting
holes if you want to gain anything by putting TJ flares on. You have to trim
the sheet metal to fit the Stock TJ flares almost all the stock holes go
away. I would caution anyone on purchasing these if they want to get the
advantage of a TJ Flare on a YJ or at least research it to makes sure they
suit your needs.
>From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
>To: Virtual Jeep Club <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] New Product: TJ flares for YJs
>Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:11:14 -0700
>
>While they won't help me, I've seen numerous posts from YJ owners looking
>for TJ flares and then instructions on how to mount them on the YJ.
>I just got my new Quadratec catalog and they are now selling TJ style
>flares
>that are a direct fit on YJs. They mount with existing screws and holes
>
>They are made by Xenon
>
>Just FYI
>
>Chris K
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25270 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 8:20am
Subject: LU - State Trust Land Conservation Meeting
FYI: I've been told that this meeting may be an early organizational one
to try and start another inititive like the failed one last year. It may
be interesting to attend to find out what it is all about. Tammy pike is
apparently attending. It may not affect 4x4 use at all. No one seems to
know what it is all about. Anyway, here ya go.
------------------
Subj: State Trust Land Conservation Meeting
Date: 6/1/01 11:35:20 AM US Mountain Standard Time
From: information@n... (N.A.I.L.E.M. NEWS)
To: information@n... (N.A.I.L.E.M. NEWS)
Please attend this important State Trust Lands Meeting!
On Tuesday, June 12, 2001, at 6pm, there will be a briefing on a
possible
state trust land conservation initiative. The meeting will be held in
the
public education building at the Phoenix Zoo.
You have probably heard a little about this measure, now is your
opportunity
to learn more, to see the maps, and to provide feedback on the proposal.
Representatives from several groups that have been working on this
measure
will provide an overview of the proposed measure, and then devote the
bulk of
the time to your questions and comments.
Please call or email Sandy Bahr and let her know if you plan to attend.
You
can reach me at (602) 253-8633 or grandcanyon@q.... Please attend
if
you can. Thanks!
25271 From: David W. Smith <dwsmith69@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 8:23am
Subject: Re: question?????
I'm all for it. There was a post back in january I think that there was
going to be a swap meet down there. But it never panned out and hadn't heard
anything about it.
>From: "Ray B." <kb7skv@c...>
>To: Rick Hall <ricknhall@h...>
>CC: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] question?????
>Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:17:35 -0700
>
>FWIW... The Auto-Zone in Coolidge is right next to an ex-Safeway
>parkinglot (lot is parking for a 'strip-mall' so open to use I would
>guess). Any-way, I'm sure something could be worked out. AND Bonus
>point...Coolidge is about half-way between Tucson, and Phoenix!!
>Whaddya think???
>Just our two cents!!
>
>Rick Hall wrote:
>
> > There once was a suggestion of a swap meet/maintenance type get
> > together but I don't think they could find a place large enough. I
> > think they were trying to get a Checker to allow us to use the parking
> > lot in case parts were needed but with the number of members in this
> > group it would never do. Rick
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Daddy Longlegs
> > To: Peter Zuleger ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 7:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] question?????
> > The largest I've seen is the first Tax Relief Run of 2000.
> > There had to have been close to 65 Jeeps that day. Somewhere
> > there are some groups pics. Anyone know where?
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > Peter Zuleger <azxjman@h...> wrote:
> >
> > What was the largest number of members that ever
> > showed for a event.
> > With over 600 members that would be a site to
> > behold.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> >
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25272 From: Bryan Loveless <bryan.loveless@n...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 8:38am
Subject: KJ question...
I was checking out the new Liberty in payson's lot and noticed a couple
of oddities. I noticed the driveshafts have wierd looking weights on
them? Why do they have to be so big? Also I crawled under the Limited
and noticed two big weights attached to the pinion area of the
differential. They look like big skate board wheels. What do you
suppose they do?
Other than that, it looks "damn cute" and "it seems like it has a
personality of its own." According to my s/o. She still likes her ZJ
Limited waaayyy more though.
I'm still undecided.
--Bryan
Bryan.Loveless@n...
"80 degrees in Flagstaff, damn that's hot!"
25273 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 8:42am
Subject: Re: question?????
Date??? Time??? If the day is clear I am there!!!! Any trails near by we
could run afterwards???
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:23:55 -0700, David W. Smith wrote:
> I'm all for it. There was a post back in january I think that there was
> going to be a swap meet down there. But it never panned out and hadn't
heard
> anything about it.
>
>
> >From: "Ray B." <kb7skv@c...>
> >To: Rick Hall <ricknhall@h...>
> >CC: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] question?????
> >Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:17:35 -0700
> >
> >FWIW... The Auto-Zone in Coolidge is right next to an ex-Safeway
> >parkinglot (lot is parking for a 'strip-mall' so open to use I would
> >guess). Any-way, I'm sure something could be worked out. AND Bonus
> >point...Coolidge is about half-way between Tucson, and Phoenix!!
> >Whaddya think???
> >Just our two cents!!
> >
> >Rick Hall wrote:
> >
> > > There once was a suggestion of a swap meet/maintenance type get
> > > together but I don't think they could find a place large enough. I
> > > think they were trying to get a Checker to allow us to use the
parking
> > > lot in case parts were needed but with the number of members in this
> > > group it would never do. Rick
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Daddy Longlegs
> > > To: Peter Zuleger ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 7:06 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] question?????
> > > The largest I've seen is the first Tax Relief Run of 2000.
> > > There had to have been close to 65 Jeeps that day. Somewhere
> > > there are some groups pics. Anyone know where?
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > Peter Zuleger <azxjman@h...> wrote:
> > >
> > > What was the largest number of members that ever
> > > showed for a event.
> > > With over 600 members that would be a site to
> > > behold.
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Proud owner of "Daddy Longlegs"
> > >
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25274 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 9:00am
Subject: Re: KJ question...
Those are caster wheels so it "rolls" over any rocks! That was stright
from the dealers mouth!
--- Bryan Loveless <bryan.loveless@n...> wrote:
> I was checking out the new Liberty in payson's lot and noticed a couple
> of oddities. I noticed the driveshafts have wierd looking weights on
> them? Why do they have to be so big? Also I crawled under the Limited
> and noticed two big weights attached to the pinion area of the
> differential. They look like big skate board wheels. What do you
> suppose they do?
>
> Other than that, it looks "damn cute" and "it seems like it has a
> personality of its own." According to my s/o. She still likes her ZJ
> Limited waaayyy more though.
>
> I'm still undecided.
>
> --Bryan
> Bryan.Loveless@n...
>
> "80 degrees in Flagstaff, damn that's hot!"
>
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25275 From: Blake Van de Loo <blake@m...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 9:09am
Subject: RE: KJ question...
I think they are their to help it over speed bumps.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:01 AM
To: Bryan Loveless; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; 4bangers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] KJ question...
Those are caster wheels so it "rolls" over any rocks! That was stright
from the dealers mouth!
--- Bryan Loveless <bryan.loveless@n...> wrote:
> I was checking out the new Liberty in payson's lot and noticed a couple
> of oddities. I noticed the driveshafts have wierd looking weights on
> them? Why do they have to be so big? Also I crawled under the Limited
> and noticed two big weights attached to the pinion area of the
> differential. They look like big skate board wheels. What do you
> suppose they do?
>
> Other than that, it looks "damn cute" and "it seems like it has a
> personality of its own." According to my s/o. She still likes her ZJ
> Limited waaayyy more though.
>
> I'm still undecided.
>
> --Bryan
> Bryan.Loveless@n...
>
> "80 degrees in Flagstaff, damn that's hot!"
>
>
>
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25276 From: Blake Shepherd <shepherdblake@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 9:15am
Subject: RE: KJ question...
Maybe they should put them on the TJ's then!!!!!!
Blake
80CJ5
01 TJ
--- Blake Van de Loo <blake@m...> wrote:
> I think they are their to help it over speed bumps.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:01 AM
> To: Bryan Loveless; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com;
> 4bangers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] KJ question...
>
>
> Those are caster wheels so it "rolls" over any
> rocks! That was stright
> from the dealers mouth!
>
>
> --- Bryan Loveless <bryan.loveless@n...> wrote:
> > I was checking out the new Liberty in payson's lot
> and noticed a couple
> > of oddities. I noticed the driveshafts have wierd
> looking weights on
> > them? Why do they have to be so big? Also I
> crawled under the Limited
> > and noticed two big weights attached to the pinion
> area of the
> > differential. They look like big skate board
> wheels. What do you
> > suppose they do?
> >
> > Other than that, it looks "damn cute" and "it
> seems like it has a
> > personality of its own." According to my s/o.
> She still likes her ZJ
> > Limited waaayyy more though.
> >
> > I'm still undecided.
> >
> > --Bryan
> > Bryan.Loveless@n...
> >
> > "80 degrees in Flagstaff, damn that's hot!"
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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25277 From: JEEP THANG <jeep_thang@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 9:26am
Subject: Re: Local Discounts
And I will bet that if we were to allow them one free Banner ad on
our site, that is free advertisement. I think that it would be cool.
Sincerely: JEEP THANG
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Eric Marble" <emarble3@p...> wrote:
> Speaking of discounts. There is a new fab shop in Tempe. Maverick
offroad.
> They can do about anything you want. Bumpers,rockguards, SOA, ect.
> 480-839-6203.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joey K" <joey@j...>
> To: <jeepw99@m...>; <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 9:06 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Local Discounts
>
>
> > Or you can do what I do, ask if there is a club discount while
you are
> > shopping around.
> > The club is getting to the size now that most truck, 4 wheel
shops and
> > retailers know or have heard of AzVJC. The smarter company's see
the
> > potential of giving a discount for the possibility of free
advertisement
> on
> > this forum. Several members have posted good and bad experiences
with
> > business and believe it or not it has an impact on the company.
Good and
> > bad. I can tell you there are shops and dealers in the valley
that I will
> > not visit just because not one but several individuals have posted
> negative
> > experiences with them. On the positive side I have gotten good
advice on
> who
> > has the deals and the better service for my business. So
company's if you
> > are reading this take heed the force is with us.
> > IMO
> > Joey K
> > 93YJ
> > www.desertjeep.com
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jeepw99@m... [mailto:jeepw99@m...]
> > > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:31 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Local Discounts
> > >
> > >
> > > I always hear of the businesses that give AZVJC club discounts
but it
> > > seems like it's always after I have purchased what I needed. Is
> > > there somewhere that lists the local companies that give the
club
> > > discounts?
> > >
> > > Right now I'm just making note of each company as I read the
posts.
> > > I think this would be a good addition to the site.
> > >
> > > Just my .02
> > >
> > > Mark
> > > 99TJ
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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25278 From: Rabenius John-AJR300 <AJR300@m...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 9:46am
Subject: RE: KJ question...
There is a large balancer/dampener up at the end of the rear drive shaft near the transfer case to dampen driveline vibrations. It looks like a 6 inch diameter steel plate, 1-1/2 inches thick. I don't think Chrysler intended it to be a "rock wheel". It is positioned perpendicular to the direction of travel, and is of no benefit as such. If anything, it would serve as an additional point to get high centered on or catch on the boulder that is 1/4" too high.
The 2 large steel wheels down on the differential housing are indeed "rock wheels". Personally, I would rather have a skid plate than the wheels. I have had to replace my rear differential cover, as I peeled the mounting flange back on some rocks. Those rock wheels would do nothing to prevent that.
As far as sales knowledge, take what they say with a grain of salt. They are given a quick over view of new models, and what ever they can get from customers and magazine articles.
John Rabenius
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:01 AM
To: Bryan Loveless; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; 4bangers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] KJ question...
Those are caster wheels so it "rolls" over any rocks! That was stright
from the dealers mouth!
--- Bryan Loveless <bryan.loveless@n...> wrote:
> I was checking out the new Liberty in payson's lot and noticed a couple
> of oddities. I noticed the driveshafts have wierd looking weights on
> them? Why do they have to be so big? Also I crawled under the Limited
> and noticed two big weights attached to the pinion area of the
> differential. They look like big skate board wheels. What do you
> suppose they do?
>
> Other than that, it looks "damn cute" and "it seems like it has a
> personality of its own." According to my s/o. She still likes her ZJ
> Limited waaayyy more though.
>
> I'm still undecided.
>
> --Bryan
> Bryan.Loveless@n...
>
> "80 degrees in Flagstaff, damn that's hot!"
>
>
>
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25279 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 9:57am
Subject: RE: KJ question...
OH BOY!!! Now its a speed bump dragging KJ??
--- Blake Van de Loo <blake@m...> wrote:
> I think they are their to help it over speed bumps.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:01 AM
> To: Bryan Loveless; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; 4bangers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] KJ question...
>
>
> Those are caster wheels so it "rolls" over any rocks! That was stright
> from the dealers mouth!
>
>
> --- Bryan Loveless <bryan.loveless@n...> wrote:
> > I was checking out the new Liberty in payson's lot and noticed a
> couple
> > of oddities. I noticed the driveshafts have wierd looking weights on
> > them? Why do they have to be so big? Also I crawled under the
> Limited
> > and noticed two big weights attached to the pinion area of the
> > differential. They look like big skate board wheels. What do you
> > suppose they do?
> >
> > Other than that, it looks "damn cute" and "it seems like it has a
> > personality of its own." According to my s/o. She still likes her
> ZJ
> > Limited waaayyy more though.
> >
> > I'm still undecided.
> >
> > --Bryan
> > Bryan.Loveless@n...
> >
> > "80 degrees in Flagstaff, damn that's hot!"
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> >
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25255 From: Nick Notestine <nnote@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 0:12am
Subject: Empty lot wheeling
This will be the third time I've written this.....
This is the word from a policeman that I knew (after I wheeled in a lot and
asked him).
Unless the OWNER of the property complains you are not tresspassing and you
are fine. He stated that he wouldn't be concerned about people there unless
they were breaking another law. In other words, be cool, don't act stupid
and be spilling oil, setting a tire bead by blowing it up and other various
examples. I would also say it wouldn't be a good idea for 25 Jeeps to show!
If your not breaking the law and the owner hasn't complained the most they
can do is check your ID and tell you to leave.
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25256 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 8:49pm
Subject: WHOA!! Thursday wheeling in Tempe
This whole idea was supposed to be for fun. The last thng I wanted was to
piss somebody or, worse, start a fight among the group. I thought it would
be fun. My thoughts were, "Hmm.. Get some burgers, and some fries, do a
little wheeling for an hour or two, and swap some stories." This is not, a
beer fest, or shoot your guns or race around and play tag with the jeeps.
Just some playin on the dirt hills with our 4x4s. THATS IT.
I DID NOT, nor did I WANT this to turn into such bull#$@%. I dont know
about you people, but between my shop, trying to pay an employee, keep the
IRS off my back, pay a landlord, keep a grilfreind happy, keep a business
running, and trying to keep both of my POS 4x4 running, I all ready have
enough drama in my life thank you. And I imagine everyone else in the club
has their own problems to deal with, kids, mortage, IRS, etc,etc, and there
jobs. The last thing we need is more drama. I think we can all agree on that
I plan on going, I have been there dozens of times myself, it is my little
play area, Sad thats all I have time for, but I will take it. PLEASE, let
the issue drop. If you want to come, great. Yes, I will enjoy the company,
wheeling by yourself sucks. If you have a probelm with it well, Im truly
sorry, offending people was the last thing on my mind. We will be on a or
best behavoir. Promise. I dont want to lose my favorite place to wheel any
more than other poeple are worried about our club getting a bad rap. So
before this gets any worse... let it go. We are all grown ups, we can do
what we want and take the heat if we start a fire. But we dont need to
divide the club like this. Not on something so trival.
If you still need to voice your opionin about what I want to do, or if you
have a personal a problem with me, or even the poeple going. Please flame
personaly, and spare evrybody else the drama and save the space for tires,
dents, lifts, lockers.....
Again, I deeply apologize for the trouble.
Sincerly,
John Kanicsar
25257 From: Scott Legge <scottlegge@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 3:13am
Subject: D30 strength.
Ok I am a pretty conservative 4 wheeler. My front dana 30 has an open diff
and I think 27 spline axles. How big of a tire could I get away with
conservatively before I run the fear of breaking stuff? Is my dana 44 where
I should be concerned? Is there a general rule of thumb I am missing? TIA.
Scott Legge
25258 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 5:37am
Subject: Re: D30 strength.
I've been running 35's for quite a while now. I have an ARB, which I use
only when needed. I mark the u-joints to keep an eye on them to tell when
they're getting ready to pop (bearing cap starts to spin when the yoke
stretches). I've had to change out my axle shafts once so far (easy
job)...they never broke, but the yokes were stretched pretty good.
Anyway, the D30 (in a TJ) is really pretty strong. Uses 297x (D44) joints,
and can take quite a lot, if your gentle on the throttle, esp. when the
wheels are turned.
Doug
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Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 3:13 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] D30 strength.
> Ok I am a pretty conservative 4 wheeler. My front dana 30 has an open diff
> and I think 27 spline axles. How big of a tire could I get away with
> conservatively before I run the fear of breaking stuff? Is my dana 44
where
> I should be concerned? Is there a general rule of thumb I am missing? TIA.
>
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25259 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 6:32am
Subject: Re: Re: New poll for az_vjc
Good Point!!!! I don't buy Boggers or Swampers for the street. I know they
are terrible for that! I buy them for wheeling. Lots of people I know have
a set of trail tires and a set of street tires. So I agree, that poll
doesn't help much to settle the debate and may mislead some to think that
Swampers or BFGs or whatever are a bad choice. Tires are a fickle little
discussion. Ask 5 people what they like and you'll get 8 different answers.
The only REAL solution is to just try 'em and experience them yourself.
Eventually they will wear out and you'll have to go buy something new again.
Maybe you stick with what you got, maybe you do something different. That's
what is so great about wheeling. Nothing beats PERSONAL experience.
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25260 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 6:33am
Subject: Re: BFG vs GY MT's
The way I read the post was, after they got on the rock, and the rock was
either a little wet or the rock was slippery, and thats when they slipped
off the rock. Saturday after the predator run, I was talking to someone
about the Pro Comps, and they do seam to stick better when they are a
little wet too. JMO. Every one has one about tires. I also could have
taken whta the wrote wrong, maybe they can clariy it....
--- Daddy Longlegs <osmtj@y...> wrote:
>
> Okay I have to clarify something here. The original "slipping off the
> rocks" statement was made by either Ross or Bill M or both. Anyway the
> point was basically a comparison of the side lugs on the Swamper SX to
> the MT/R. It's obvious that the SX has the most aggressive side lugs out
> there. It was in reference to using the sidewall lugs to bite into a
> vertical surface and carry you up it on the rockface on the sidewall
> lugs alone. I've only seen the SX do this. A BFG, MT/R, Pro Comp or any
> other tire including the Swamper TSL radial and SSR could never be
> expected to do what was discussed in this scenario. I've witnessed it
> with the SX's first hand and driven on many 4+ trails on my MT/R's. Next
> to the Swamper SX you can't find a better offroad tire. Of course other
> than the Swamper Bogger you couldn't find a worse onroad tire than the
> SX. Apples and oranges folks. The MT/R is the best compromise out there
> for dual use.
> When I finally get my trailer this summer and begin towing the TJ to
> runs you can bet that there will be a set of SX's on my TJ within
> months. Of course I will also keep the MT/R's in the garage for when I
> don't use the trailer or go play in the snow.
> Scott Kruize
> Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...> wrote: Ok, I know you are looking
> for MT's, and here is my experiance with BFG
> and Pro Comp MT's.
>
> My first set of tires on my old Jeep was the 32x11.50 BFG MT's. They
> seemed like they did not wear at all! BUT, they were not *sticky* on the
> rocks. I now have the Pro Comp MT's, and they stick real nice, and the
> sidewall is great so far. I ran Predator Saturday night, down to 11 psi,
> and the tires were awsome. I have been very impressed with them, and
> they
> are cheaper than BFG's. They do seam to wear a little quicker than the
> BFG's. As far as GY MT's, I have heard they are great but do have a
> problem slipping off rocks. I don't have the experiance with them, only
> what I read from fellow members.
> Oy ya, on road, the pro comps are really nice. They have that nice hum,
> but they do not wonder, and thats with both sways disco'd!
>
>
>
>
>
> --- "Chris R." wrote:
> > Ok, still comparing tires. Can anyone give me some insight as to the
> > benefits that make either of these tires better than the other? Is it
> > really worth the cost of one over the other?
> >
> > Please include performance on and off road.
> >
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25261 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 7:21am
Subject: RE: Re: New poll for az_vjc
With all the talk about tires going around I thought I would ask a question.
I am running TSL SX supper swampers 35x15.5 and they are about shot(dry
rotting as they are 7 years old). I am thinking about going to the new
Parnelli Jones Dirt Grip in 36x14.5. Have any of you used or seen these
tires in action? I have not been able to find any comparisons in any mags or
the internet
-----Original Message-----
From: mudbogr@a... [mailto:mudbogr@a...]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 7:53 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: New poll for az_vjc
Unfortunately this poll won't tell anyone much. I could vote for
everything given the stated purpose. Each of these tires excelles at
a specific purpose and all of them are worthy of recommendation.
Although if you are looking for good street tires with off road
ability it would be a couple; whereas mud would be another; and rocks
would be yet another. There is no tire that excelles everywhere over
any other tire. It is all based on priority of use and qualities that
determine the best tire.
If I could, I'd have a set of all 4 for use in their specific
strengths.
--- In az_vjc@y..., az_vjc@y... wrote:
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> az_vjc group:
>
> What brand and model tire do you
> have/had that you would reccommend?
>
> o Swampers
> o Boggers
> o MTR's
> o BFG Mud TA's
> o Other
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/polls
>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
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25262 From: <Jeepguy@z...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 7:47am
Subject: Re: ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
Okay buddy I just forwarded your e-mail to the cops... they did tell
me to have you expect the mattress police by tonight! LOL I think
some people need to go wheelin, and get out of the city because I
think some eggs have been scrambled!! What is wrong with everyone? No
more fighting, no more flames, no more nukes! oops anyway you guys
get the point! I was giving John the benefit of the doubt and not
reading that he turned everyone in, but maybe was trying to find out
IF in fact it is legal or not. I would't have done it the smae way
becuause like the others said... you just inadvertently turned in
your fellow Jeepers. GROUP HUG!!!!! -Rob
--- In az_vjc@y..., Rick VH <rick_vh@y...> wrote:
> You gotta be kidding me! You had nothing better to do
> with your day than to call and wait on hold just to
> rat out other members in the jeep club? Especially
> when the Police have better things to attend to such
> as burglaries, murders, rapes, and armed robberies.
> Everytime i've tried to get the police to help me on
> something such as when my house was burglerized, or
> when my jeep was broken into, or the time someone hit
> a car of mine in front of my house and took off, or
> when i was creamed by some drunk on 7th st, it took
> several hours for them to respond, even then they
> couldnt do anything about it. You have to waste their
> time because someone just *might* go drive their jeep
> in some dirt in an empty parking lot. Did they give
> you a Junior Police officer badge so you can
> personally come down and hand out tickets?
>
> Next time you rat someone out, save yourself some time
> and let them know that the wiring on my brake light is
> suspect and intermittantly doesnt work. I also drove
> 10mph over the speed limit today, and last week a gas
> reciept blew out on the highway. Oh yea, i also didnt
> signal before turning into my driveway, I tore the
> label off my mattress, and left the cap off a felt tip
> pen last night too.
>
> Thanks,
>
> rick
25263 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 7:49am
Subject: Action Alert
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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USA-ALL ACTION ALERT
YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS IMPORTANT MATTER IS APPRECIATED
THIS ALERT CONTAINS IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS AND QUICK COMMENT SUGGESTIONS
ACTION NEEDED BY JUNE 20, 2001!
Situation:
The Cedar City Ranger District of the Dixie National Forest is conducting an
analysis in
preparation for an Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) that will amend the
travel plan for the
Duck Creek-Swains area. Importantly, the process will try and go one giant
step further and
attempt to amend the Forest Plan and impose a "Closed Unless Posted Open"
(CUPO) travel regime for
the area.
How it affects you:
Even if you don't recreate in the Duck Creek area, this plan amendment could
serve as a "template"
for the rest of the Dixie National Forest and perhaps other forests near
you. It is vitally
important that every one comment by June 20, 2001. Comment suggestions are
contained in this
ACTION ALERT. Comment letters can be submitted via e-mail. PLEASE TAKE
ACTION TODAY!
Thank you,
Brian Hawthorne
Utah Shared Access Alliance
Here's the scoop:
The Duck Creek-Swains Creek area is located in the Dixie National Forest
along the scenic Hwy 14
that travels between Cedar City and Hwy 89. The area is prized for its
world-class snowmobiling,
hunting, 4 wheeling, and ATV riding. These varied recreational activities
occur on a large network
of old logging roads.
A few years ago, the Forest Service (FS) attempted to close over 75% of the
roads via an
administrative action, with virtually no public input. After hearing from an
outraged citizenry,
as well as being informed by USA-ALL that such illegal road closures would
likely land them in
court, the FS has agreed to prepare an EIS and has asked for our input.
USA-ALL representatives met with various user groups to discuss the FS's
proposal and spent
several days touring the planning area. Even though the proposal closes over
50% of the roads and
trails, it is clear that the FS has attempted to designate a travel system
similar to the Paiute
ATV Trail system. We believe that such a system is appropriate for this
area.
While the proposed action has potential, it contains several major
shortcomings that will result
in a situation that is simply unmanageable. That is why your input is vital.
The FS must be
persuaded to make these changes in the early part of the process, otherwise,
users will be left
with an inadequate recreational opportunity and the FS will be left with an
unenforceable travel
plan.
ACTION ITEMS:
1. If you would like to follow this process closely, please e-mail Priscilla
Summers at
psummers@f... and ask her to send you the information on the proposed
action. The packet will
include a description of their proposed action and some maps.
2. Submit Comments. Use the comment suggestions below to submit comments.
You can e mail them to
Pricilla Summers at psummers@f...
COMMENT SUGGESTIONS:
Comment letters should be mailed to: Ronald Wilson, District Ranger, Cedar
City Ranger District,
Dixie National Forest, 82 North 100 East Cedar City, UT 84720
OR via e-mail to: Pricilla Summers psummers@f...
ISSUE: The proposed action would amend the Forest Plan to impose a Closed
Unless Posted Open
travel regime for this area. This action is inappropriate for several
reasons:
*CUPO often leads to misunderstanding among users and law enforcement.
* CUPO is a major, controversial change in the Forest Plan. This kind of
change should not be made
at the district or sub-district level.
* The Dixie NF will be amending their Forest Plan soon. To consider such a
controversial change in
the plan at this time is inappropriate.
*CUPO is too controversial and in some case found to be illegal.
SUGGESTED COMMENT: Insist the FS abandon the effort to amend the Forest Plan
to impose a closed
unless posted open travel designation.
ISSUE: The proposed action puts most OHV riders on well-maintained Forest
development roads that
are suitable for travel even by passenger car. There are very few rugged
roads left open, and
almost no real ATV trails. This is dangerous and shows a lack of understand
of what kind of
experience is desired by the OHV user.
SUGGESTED COMMENT: Tell the FS how much you enjoy the rugged trails. Tell
them now much you hate
to ride your OHV on maintained roads. Remind them that this is not the
experience you travel to
the forest for.
ISSUE: The proposed action closes many, many campsites and hunting camps.
There is a very real
concern about the impacts of displaced camping by OHV'ers and hunters.
SUGGESTED COMMENT: Ask the FS if they know how many campsites they are
closing. Ask them how they
plan to deal with the displaced camping, and if they have adequately planned
for hunting camps.
ISSUE: The FS has stated that formulating a travel plan for the entire
district would be too large
and complicated for their staff. While there may be some justification for
this, it has resulted
in a major flaw in the proposed action because it does not consider access
in and out of the area.
This is a major pitfall identified by local landowners and business owners.
Without some assurance
that access to the Paiute and Freemont trail systems, the town of Hatch,
Panguitch Lake, and
BrianHead will be allowed, the travel plan means little.
SUGGESTED COMMENT: Ask the FS to expand the planning process in order to
designate OHV trails that
connect to the Paiute and Freemont trail systems as well as the proposed
High Desert Trail.
ISSUE: The FS has published 2 different dates as comment deadlines. In the
Dear Interested Citizen
letter dated May 21, 2001 they ask for comments by June 25th. In the Notice
of Intent (NOI) they
ask for comments by June 20th.
SUGGESTED COMMENT: Ask the FS: Why the comment deadline differs in the Dear
Interested Citizen
letter and the NOI?
######## END OF ALERT #########
Regards
Randy Siade
Engineering Manager
Unisys Unigen Operations
6161 W. Erie Street
Chandler, AZ 85226
Phone 480 783-5911
Fax 480 783-5960
Cell 602-329-0699
randy.siade@u...
25264 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 7:56am
Subject: RE: Re: New poll for az_vjc
There is a write up on them in the JP magazine, the same one Scott Kruise
a couple of days ago. If you can't find it, let me know, I have the mag
at work, and I can type the write up and send it to you.
--- "Siade, Randy" <randy.siade@u...> wrote:
> With all the talk about tires going around I thought I would ask a
> question.
> I am running TSL SX supper swampers 35x15.5 and they are about shot(dry
> rotting as they are 7 years old). I am thinking about going to the new
> Parnelli Jones Dirt Grip in 36x14.5. Have any of you used or seen these
> tires in action? I have not been able to find any comparisons in any
> mags or
> the internet
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mudbogr@a... [mailto:mudbogr@a...]
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 7:53 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: New poll for az_vjc
>
>
> Unfortunately this poll won't tell anyone much. I could vote for
> everything given the stated purpose. Each of these tires excelles at
> a specific purpose and all of them are worthy of recommendation.
> Although if you are looking for good street tires with off road
> ability it would be a couple; whereas mud would be another; and rocks
> would be yet another. There is no tire that excelles everywhere over
> any other tire. It is all based on priority of use and qualities that
> determine the best tire.
>
> If I could, I'd have a set of all 4 for use in their specific
> strengths.
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., az_vjc@y... wrote:
> >
> > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> > az_vjc group:
> >
> > What brand and model tire do you
> > have/had that you would reccommend?
> >
> > o Swampers
> > o Boggers
> > o MTR's
> > o BFG Mud TA's
> > o Other
> >
> >
> > To vote, please visit the following web page:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/polls
> >
> > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
> > web site listed above.
> >
> > Thanks!
>
>
>
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25265 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 7:54am
Subject: RE: ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
Double horse****.....
Having been a local Police Officer, trust me. They do not care one bit about
this.
To many dount shops going out of business to worry about ;-)
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: Joey K
To: johnrabenius@y...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 6/11/01 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
Horse****!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: johnrabenius@y... [mailto:johnrabenius@y...]
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:50 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
>
>
> OK,
>
> I called the city of Tempe Police department's information number
> (480-966-6211), explained what you wanted to do, and they said to
> call the Tempe City code compliance division (480-350-8372). I called
> them and got a recording explaining that they were recieving
> excessive call volumes, and to leave a message describing the
> complaint or nuisance, my number, and they would call me back.
>
> I'll post the answer I get when they call back.
>
> I'd rather call and know for sure, rather than risk a citation.
>
> No, I did not say WHEN you would be out there, or WHO wanted to go.
>
> Personally, I'm betting on citations for all who show. Remember: that
> also means points on your license, and higher insurance premiums.
>
> Anybody with outstanding warrants might want to pass . . .
>
> John Rabenius
>
>
>
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25266 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 8:06am
Subject: Re: Re: ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
James,
Not sure where you got your info, but John has been a member for quite some
time and unless he recently quit still is.
While tipping the hat a bit by making the call might upset a few he was
trying to be a friend by warning those who may attend of the potential
citations(and these can be costly). To me someone who is trying to save me
some coin and giving me a warning of the potential hazard of the citations
is a friend.
That said it does not mean you have to listen, you can still go wheel there,
if you get caught play dumb and maybe you can get out of it, then again
maybe you won't. At least with John's research you will know what to expect
if an officer shows up.
Basically he was letting you know the potential consequences of your
actions, he was not telling you not to do, just trying to let you know what
the potential outcome might be.
So James if we are all trying to be friends maybe you should tone down your
responses. You yourself could have used your advice and been a little nicer
in your response if you had taken to heart the "Friends" theme.
In either case have fun whether you go or not.
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 01:49:29 -0000, James Towle wrote:
> John Rabenius,
>
> You know I usually try to stay away from this flame sh** but.... why
> don't you take a pill. We try to be friends here at AZVJC, since I
> noticed you are not a member of AZVJC and you are not try to be a
> friend why don't you take a friggin' hike.
>
> --James Towle
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., johnrabenius@y... wrote:
> > OK,
> >
> > I called the city of Tempe Police department's information number
> > (480-966-6211), explained what you wanted to do, and they said to
> > call the Tempe City code compliance division (480-350-8372). I
> called
> > them and got a recording explaining that they were recieving
> > excessive call volumes, and to leave a message describing the
> > complaint or nuisance, my number, and they would call me back.
> >
> > I'll post the answer I get when they call back.
> >
> > I'd rather call and know for sure, rather than risk a citation.
> >
> > No, I did not say WHEN you would be out there, or WHO wanted to go.
> >
> > Personally, I'm betting on citations for all who show. Remember:
> that
> > also means points on your license, and higher insurance premiums.
> >
> > Anybody with outstanding warrants might want to pass . . .
> >
> > John Rabenius
>
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25267 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 8:07am
Subject: Re: Re: ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
Jeepguy@z... wrote:
> I was giving John the benefit of the doubt and not
> reading that he turned everyone in, but maybe was trying to find out
> IF in fact it is legal or not. I would't have done it the smae way
> becuause like the others said... you just inadvertently turned in
> your fellow Jeepers. GROUP HUG!!!!! -Rob
I too read the original message as an attempt to determine the legality
of the event. Doesn't matter to me in that I won't be attending one way
or the other, but I _am_ curious as to the legality of the event, and
find _very_ interesting the amount of crap heaped on johnrabenius for
simply trying to determine said legality. Seems to me like it would be
something y'all would WANT to know. To each his own, I suppose, and I
hope john posts his findings.
As to inadvertently "turn[ing] in your fellow Jeepers," well, that would
be assuming that it IS illegal, and that they are doing something wrong.
As that isn't necessarily the case, I don't think he was turning anyone
in. I DO think that is appropiate for y'all to know whether it is legal
or not, from there I suppose you can make your own decision. I rode
motorbikes illegally around Forest Lakes up on the Rim for years, the
cops were THERE and they didn't care, no one cared. The trails had been
there for years when they were closed. Is that right or wrong? I dunno.
It just kinda _IS_ in our world today.
Take care.
-daver
25268 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 8:12am
Subject: Re: question?????
Actually if I remember correctly we had 49 Jeeps and 1 Blazer.
If you go to my website, then Trips then find the link for that run, go to
the bottom of the review there are links to the pics.
Chris
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:06:49 -0700 (PDT), Daddy Longlegs wrote:
>
> The largest I've seen is the first Tax Relief Run of 2000. There had to
have been close to 65 Jeeps that day. Somewhere there are some groups pics.
Anyone know where?
> Scott
> Peter Zuleger <azxjman@h...> wrote: What was the largest number
of members that ever showed for a event.
> With over 600 members that would be a site to behold.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
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25269 From: David W. Smith <dwsmith69@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 8:18am
Subject: Re: New Product: TJ flares for YJs
I have TJ flares on my YJ and there is no way to use the factory mounting
holes if you want to gain anything by putting TJ flares on. You have to trim
the sheet metal to fit the Stock TJ flares almost all the stock holes go
away. I would caution anyone on purchasing these if they want to get the
advantage of a TJ Flare on a YJ or at least research it to makes sure they
suit your needs.
>From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
>To: Virtual Jeep Club <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] New Product: TJ flares for YJs
>Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:11:14 -0700
>
>While they won't help me, I've seen numerous posts from YJ owners looking
>for TJ flares and then instructions on how to mount them on the YJ.
>I just got my new Quadratec catalog and they are now selling TJ style
>flares
>that are a direct fit on YJs. They mount with existing screws and holes
>
>They are made by Xenon
>
>Just FYI
>
>Chris K
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25270 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 8:20am
Subject: LU - State Trust Land Conservation Meeting
FYI: I've been told that this meeting may be an early organizational one
to try and start another inititive like the failed one last year. It may
be interesting to attend to find out what it is all about. Tammy pike is
apparently attending. It may not affect 4x4 use at all. No one seems to
know what it is all about. Anyway, here ya go.
------------------
Subj: State Trust Land Conservation Meeting
Date: 6/1/01 11:35:20 AM US Mountain Standard Time
From: information@n... (N.A.I.L.E.M. NEWS)
To: information@n... (N.A.I.L.E.M. NEWS)
Please attend this important State Trust Lands Meeting!
On Tuesday, June 12, 2001, at 6pm, there will be a briefing on a
possible
state trust land conservation initiative. The meeting will be held in
the
public education building at the Phoenix Zoo.
You have probably heard a little about this measure, now is your
opportunity
to learn more, to see the maps, and to provide feedback on the proposal.
Representatives from several groups that have been working on this
measure
will provide an overview of the proposed measure, and then devote the
bulk of
the time to your questions and comments.
Please call or email Sandy Bahr and let her know if you plan to attend.
You
can reach me at (602) 253-8633 or grandcanyon@q.... Please attend
if
you can. Thanks!
25271 From: David W. Smith <dwsmith69@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 8:23am
Subject: Re: question?????
I'm all for it. There was a post back in january I think that there was
going to be a swap meet down there. But it never panned out and hadn't heard
anything about it.
>From: "Ray B." <kb7skv@c...>
>To: Rick Hall <ricknhall@h...>
>CC: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] question?????
>Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:17:35 -0700
>
>FWIW... The Auto-Zone in Coolidge is right next to an ex-Safeway
>parkinglot (lot is parking for a 'strip-mall' so open to use I would
>guess). Any-way, I'm sure something could be worked out. AND Bonus
>point...Coolidge is about half-way between Tucson, and Phoenix!!
>Whaddya think???
>Just our two cents!!
>
>Rick Hall wrote:
>
> > There once was a suggestion of a swap meet/maintenance type get
> > together but I don't think they could find a place large enough. I
> > think they were trying to get a Checker to allow us to use the parking
> > lot in case parts were needed but with the number of members in this
> > group it would never do. Rick
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Daddy Longlegs
> > To: Peter Zuleger ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 7:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] question?????
> > The largest I've seen is the first Tax Relief Run of 2000.
> > There had to have been close to 65 Jeeps that day. Somewhere
> > there are some groups pics. Anyone know where?
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > Peter Zuleger <azxjman@h...> wrote:
> >
> > What was the largest number of members that ever
> > showed for a event.
> > With over 600 members that would be a site to
> > behold.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> >
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25272 From: Bryan Loveless <bryan.loveless@n...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 8:38am
Subject: KJ question...
I was checking out the new Liberty in payson's lot and noticed a couple
of oddities. I noticed the driveshafts have wierd looking weights on
them? Why do they have to be so big? Also I crawled under the Limited
and noticed two big weights attached to the pinion area of the
differential. They look like big skate board wheels. What do you
suppose they do?
Other than that, it looks "damn cute" and "it seems like it has a
personality of its own." According to my s/o. She still likes her ZJ
Limited waaayyy more though.
I'm still undecided.
--Bryan
Bryan.Loveless@n...
"80 degrees in Flagstaff, damn that's hot!"
25273 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 8:42am
Subject: Re: question?????
Date??? Time??? If the day is clear I am there!!!! Any trails near by we
could run afterwards???
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:23:55 -0700, David W. Smith wrote:
> I'm all for it. There was a post back in january I think that there was
> going to be a swap meet down there. But it never panned out and hadn't
heard
> anything about it.
>
>
> >From: "Ray B." <kb7skv@c...>
> >To: Rick Hall <ricknhall@h...>
> >CC: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] question?????
> >Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:17:35 -0700
> >
> >FWIW... The Auto-Zone in Coolidge is right next to an ex-Safeway
> >parkinglot (lot is parking for a 'strip-mall' so open to use I would
> >guess). Any-way, I'm sure something could be worked out. AND Bonus
> >point...Coolidge is about half-way between Tucson, and Phoenix!!
> >Whaddya think???
> >Just our two cents!!
> >
> >Rick Hall wrote:
> >
> > > There once was a suggestion of a swap meet/maintenance type get
> > > together but I don't think they could find a place large enough. I
> > > think they were trying to get a Checker to allow us to use the
parking
> > > lot in case parts were needed but with the number of members in this
> > > group it would never do. Rick
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Daddy Longlegs
> > > To: Peter Zuleger ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 7:06 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] question?????
> > > The largest I've seen is the first Tax Relief Run of 2000.
> > > There had to have been close to 65 Jeeps that day. Somewhere
> > > there are some groups pics. Anyone know where?
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > Peter Zuleger <azxjman@h...> wrote:
> > >
> > > What was the largest number of members that ever
> > > showed for a event.
> > > With over 600 members that would be a site to
> > > behold.
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Proud owner of "Daddy Longlegs"
> > >
> > >
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25274 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 9:00am
Subject: Re: KJ question...
Those are caster wheels so it "rolls" over any rocks! That was stright
from the dealers mouth!
--- Bryan Loveless <bryan.loveless@n...> wrote:
> I was checking out the new Liberty in payson's lot and noticed a couple
> of oddities. I noticed the driveshafts have wierd looking weights on
> them? Why do they have to be so big? Also I crawled under the Limited
> and noticed two big weights attached to the pinion area of the
> differential. They look like big skate board wheels. What do you
> suppose they do?
>
> Other than that, it looks "damn cute" and "it seems like it has a
> personality of its own." According to my s/o. She still likes her ZJ
> Limited waaayyy more though.
>
> I'm still undecided.
>
> --Bryan
> Bryan.Loveless@n...
>
> "80 degrees in Flagstaff, damn that's hot!"
>
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25275 From: Blake Van de Loo <blake@m...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 9:09am
Subject: RE: KJ question...
I think they are their to help it over speed bumps.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:01 AM
To: Bryan Loveless; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; 4bangers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] KJ question...
Those are caster wheels so it "rolls" over any rocks! That was stright
from the dealers mouth!
--- Bryan Loveless <bryan.loveless@n...> wrote:
> I was checking out the new Liberty in payson's lot and noticed a couple
> of oddities. I noticed the driveshafts have wierd looking weights on
> them? Why do they have to be so big? Also I crawled under the Limited
> and noticed two big weights attached to the pinion area of the
> differential. They look like big skate board wheels. What do you
> suppose they do?
>
> Other than that, it looks "damn cute" and "it seems like it has a
> personality of its own." According to my s/o. She still likes her ZJ
> Limited waaayyy more though.
>
> I'm still undecided.
>
> --Bryan
> Bryan.Loveless@n...
>
> "80 degrees in Flagstaff, damn that's hot!"
>
>
>
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25276 From: Blake Shepherd <shepherdblake@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 9:15am
Subject: RE: KJ question...
Maybe they should put them on the TJ's then!!!!!!
Blake
80CJ5
01 TJ
--- Blake Van de Loo <blake@m...> wrote:
> I think they are their to help it over speed bumps.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:01 AM
> To: Bryan Loveless; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com;
> 4bangers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] KJ question...
>
>
> Those are caster wheels so it "rolls" over any
> rocks! That was stright
> from the dealers mouth!
>
>
> --- Bryan Loveless <bryan.loveless@n...> wrote:
> > I was checking out the new Liberty in payson's lot
> and noticed a couple
> > of oddities. I noticed the driveshafts have wierd
> looking weights on
> > them? Why do they have to be so big? Also I
> crawled under the Limited
> > and noticed two big weights attached to the pinion
> area of the
> > differential. They look like big skate board
> wheels. What do you
> > suppose they do?
> >
> > Other than that, it looks "damn cute" and "it
> seems like it has a
> > personality of its own." According to my s/o.
> She still likes her ZJ
> > Limited waaayyy more though.
> >
> > I'm still undecided.
> >
> > --Bryan
> > Bryan.Loveless@n...
> >
> > "80 degrees in Flagstaff, damn that's hot!"
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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25277 From: JEEP THANG <jeep_thang@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 9:26am
Subject: Re: Local Discounts
And I will bet that if we were to allow them one free Banner ad on
our site, that is free advertisement. I think that it would be cool.
Sincerely: JEEP THANG
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Eric Marble" <emarble3@p...> wrote:
> Speaking of discounts. There is a new fab shop in Tempe. Maverick
offroad.
> They can do about anything you want. Bumpers,rockguards, SOA, ect.
> 480-839-6203.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joey K" <joey@j...>
> To: <jeepw99@m...>; <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 9:06 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Local Discounts
>
>
> > Or you can do what I do, ask if there is a club discount while
you are
> > shopping around.
> > The club is getting to the size now that most truck, 4 wheel
shops and
> > retailers know or have heard of AzVJC. The smarter company's see
the
> > potential of giving a discount for the possibility of free
advertisement
> on
> > this forum. Several members have posted good and bad experiences
with
> > business and believe it or not it has an impact on the company.
Good and
> > bad. I can tell you there are shops and dealers in the valley
that I will
> > not visit just because not one but several individuals have posted
> negative
> > experiences with them. On the positive side I have gotten good
advice on
> who
> > has the deals and the better service for my business. So
company's if you
> > are reading this take heed the force is with us.
> > IMO
> > Joey K
> > 93YJ
> > www.desertjeep.com
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jeepw99@m... [mailto:jeepw99@m...]
> > > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:31 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Local Discounts
> > >
> > >
> > > I always hear of the businesses that give AZVJC club discounts
but it
> > > seems like it's always after I have purchased what I needed. Is
> > > there somewhere that lists the local companies that give the
club
> > > discounts?
> > >
> > > Right now I'm just making note of each company as I read the
posts.
> > > I think this would be a good addition to the site.
> > >
> > > Just my .02
> > >
> > > Mark
> > > 99TJ
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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25278 From: Rabenius John-AJR300 <AJR300@m...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 9:46am
Subject: RE: KJ question...
There is a large balancer/dampener up at the end of the rear drive shaft near the transfer case to dampen driveline vibrations. It looks like a 6 inch diameter steel plate, 1-1/2 inches thick. I don't think Chrysler intended it to be a "rock wheel". It is positioned perpendicular to the direction of travel, and is of no benefit as such. If anything, it would serve as an additional point to get high centered on or catch on the boulder that is 1/4" too high.
The 2 large steel wheels down on the differential housing are indeed "rock wheels". Personally, I would rather have a skid plate than the wheels. I have had to replace my rear differential cover, as I peeled the mounting flange back on some rocks. Those rock wheels would do nothing to prevent that.
As far as sales knowledge, take what they say with a grain of salt. They are given a quick over view of new models, and what ever they can get from customers and magazine articles.
John Rabenius
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:01 AM
To: Bryan Loveless; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; 4bangers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] KJ question...
Those are caster wheels so it "rolls" over any rocks! That was stright
from the dealers mouth!
--- Bryan Loveless <bryan.loveless@n...> wrote:
> I was checking out the new Liberty in payson's lot and noticed a couple
> of oddities. I noticed the driveshafts have wierd looking weights on
> them? Why do they have to be so big? Also I crawled under the Limited
> and noticed two big weights attached to the pinion area of the
> differential. They look like big skate board wheels. What do you
> suppose they do?
>
> Other than that, it looks "damn cute" and "it seems like it has a
> personality of its own." According to my s/o. She still likes her ZJ
> Limited waaayyy more though.
>
> I'm still undecided.
>
> --Bryan
> Bryan.Loveless@n...
>
> "80 degrees in Flagstaff, damn that's hot!"
>
>
>
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25279 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 12, 2001 9:57am
Subject: RE: KJ question...
OH BOY!!! Now its a speed bump dragging KJ??
--- Blake Van de Loo <blake@m...> wrote:
> I think they are their to help it over speed bumps.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:01 AM
> To: Bryan Loveless; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; 4bangers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] KJ question...
>
>
> Those are caster wheels so it "rolls" over any rocks! That was stright
> from the dealers mouth!
>
>
> --- Bryan Loveless <bryan.loveless@n...> wrote:
> > I was checking out the new Liberty in payson's lot and noticed a
> couple
> > of oddities. I noticed the driveshafts have wierd looking weights on
> > them? Why do they have to be so big? Also I crawled under the
> Limited
> > and noticed two big weights attached to the pinion area of the
> > differential. They look like big skate board wheels. What do you
> > suppose they do?
> >
> > Other than that, it looks "damn cute" and "it seems like it has a
> > personality of its own." According to my s/o. She still likes her
> ZJ
> > Limited waaayyy more though.
> >
> > I'm still undecided.
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