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25230 From: <mudbogr@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 7:53pm
Subject: Re: New poll for az_vjc
Unfortunately this poll won't tell anyone much. I could vote for
everything given the stated purpose. Each of these tires excelles at
a specific purpose and all of them are worthy of recommendation.
Although if you are looking for good street tires with off road
ability it would be a couple; whereas mud would be another; and rocks
would be yet another. There is no tire that excelles everywhere over
any other tire. It is all based on priority of use and qualities that
determine the best tire.
If I could, I'd have a set of all 4 for use in their specific
strengths.
--- In az_vjc@y..., az_vjc@y... wrote:
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> az_vjc group:
>
> What brand and model tire do you
> have/had that you would reccommend?
>
> o Swampers
> o Boggers
> o MTR's
> o BFG Mud TA's
> o Other
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/polls
>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
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25231 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 8:11pm
Subject: New Product: TJ flares for YJs
While they won't help me, I've seen numerous posts from YJ owners looking
for TJ flares and then instructions on how to mount them on the YJ.
I just got my new Quadratec catalog and they are now selling TJ style flares
that are a direct fit on YJs. They mount with existing screws and holes
They are made by Xenon
Just FYI
Chris K
25232 From: <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 8:14pm
Subject: Re: ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
Ha-ha ha, ha ha ha ha ha.... rolling on the ground, red-faced,
can't type.... ha ha ha... Rick, you killed me with that one!
Thanks, and I'm right there with you on that one...
Lachlan
In az_vjc@y..., Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...> wrote:
> Gotta agree with Rick on this one. Now you've notified the Police
that it
> does happen and they will watch for it. This we don't need. Before
now, they
> probably had no idea it was happening.
>
> Chris k
>
> > From: Rick VH <rick_vh@y...>
> >
> > You gotta be kidding me! You had nothing better to do
> > with your day than to call and wait on hold just to
> > rat out other members in the jeep club? Especially
> > when the Police have better things to attend to such
> > as burglaries, murders, rapes, and armed robberies.
> > Everytime i've tried to get the police to help me on
> > something such as when my house was burglerized, or
> > when my jeep was broken into, or the time someone hit
> > a car of mine in front of my house and took off, or
> > when i was creamed by some drunk on 7th st, it took
> > several hours for them to respond, even then they
> > couldnt do anything about it. You have to waste their
> > time because someone just *might* go drive their jeep
> > in some dirt in an empty parking lot. Did they give
> > you a Junior Police officer badge so you can
> > personally come down and hand out tickets?
> >
> > Next time you rat someone out, save yourself some time
> > and let them know that the wiring on my brake light is
> > suspect and intermittantly doesnt work. I also drove
> > 10mph over the speed limit today, and last week a gas
> > reciept blew out on the highway. Oh yea, i also didnt
> > signal before turning into my driveway, I tore the
> > label off my mattress, and left the cap off a felt tip
> > pen last night too.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > rick
> >
> >
> > --- johnrabenius@y... wrote:
> >> OK,
> >>
> >> I called the city of Tempe Police department's
> >> information number
> >> (480-966-6211), explained what you wanted to do, and
> >> they said to
> >> call the Tempe City code compliance division
> >> (480-350-8372). I called
> >> them and got a recording explaining that they were
> >> recieving
> >> excessive call volumes, and to leave a message
> >> describing the
> >> complaint or nuisance, my number, and they would
> >> call me back.
> >>
> >> I'll post the answer I get when they call back.
> >>
> >> I'd rather call and know for sure, rather than risk
> >> a citation.
> >>
> >> No, I did not say WHEN you would be out there, or
> >> WHO wanted to go.
> >>
> >> Personally, I'm betting on citations for all who
> >> show. Remember: that
> >> also means points on your license, and higher
> >> insurance premiums.
> >>
> >> Anybody with outstanding warrants might want to pass
> >> . . .
> >>
> >> John Rabenius
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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25233 From: Jesus Chio - AllOffRoad <jchio@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 10:23am
Subject: Re: ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
You guys can tell the cops that my CJ wont have any ebrake, thats ok... Just
dont tell mom or the wife that Ive spent my college savings on the Jeep!!
Thanks!!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick VH" <rick_vh@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
> You gotta be kidding me! You had nothing better to do
> with your day than to call and wait on hold just to
> rat out other members in the jeep club? Especially
> when the Police have better things to attend to such
> as burglaries, murders, rapes, and armed robberies.
> Everytime i've tried to get the police to help me on
> something such as when my house was burglerized, or
> when my jeep was broken into, or the time someone hit
> a car of mine in front of my house and took off, or
> when i was creamed by some drunk on 7th st, it took
> several hours for them to respond, even then they
> couldnt do anything about it. You have to waste their
> time because someone just *might* go drive their jeep
> in some dirt in an empty parking lot. Did they give
> you a Junior Police officer badge so you can
> personally come down and hand out tickets?
>
> Next time you rat someone out, save yourself some time
> and let them know that the wiring on my brake light is
> suspect and intermittantly doesnt work. I also drove
> 10mph over the speed limit today, and last week a gas
> reciept blew out on the highway. Oh yea, i also didnt
> signal before turning into my driveway, I tore the
> label off my mattress, and left the cap off a felt tip
> pen last night too.
>
> Thanks,
>
> rick
>
>
> --- johnrabenius@y... wrote:
> > OK,
> >
> > I called the city of Tempe Police department's
> > information number
> > (480-966-6211), explained what you wanted to do, and
> > they said to
> > call the Tempe City code compliance division
> > (480-350-8372). I called
> > them and got a recording explaining that they were
> > recieving
> > excessive call volumes, and to leave a message
> > describing the
> > complaint or nuisance, my number, and they would
> > call me back.
> >
> > I'll post the answer I get when they call back.
> >
> > I'd rather call and know for sure, rather than risk
> > a citation.
> >
> > No, I did not say WHEN you would be out there, or
> > WHO wanted to go.
> >
> > Personally, I'm betting on citations for all who
> > show. Remember: that
> > also means points on your license, and higher
> > insurance premiums.
> >
> > Anybody with outstanding warrants might want to pass
> > . . .
> >
> > John Rabenius
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
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25234 From: <jeeperaz@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 8:35pm
Subject: Re: ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
Rick.... that was classic! I agree, someone needs to lighten up.
--- In az_vjc@y..., Rick VH <rick_vh@y...> wrote:
> You gotta be kidding me! You had nothing better to do
> with your day than to call and wait on hold just to
> rat out other members in the jeep club? Especially
> when the Police have better things to attend to such
> as burglaries, murders, rapes, and armed robberies.
> Everytime i've tried to get the police to help me on
> something such as when my house was burglerized, or
> when my jeep was broken into, or the time someone hit
> a car of mine in front of my house and took off, or
> when i was creamed by some drunk on 7th st, it took
> several hours for them to respond, even then they
> couldnt do anything about it. You have to waste their
> time because someone just *might* go drive their jeep
> in some dirt in an empty parking lot. Did they give
> you a Junior Police officer badge so you can
> personally come down and hand out tickets?
>
> Next time you rat someone out, save yourself some time
> and let them know that the wiring on my brake light is
> suspect and intermittantly doesnt work. I also drove
> 10mph over the speed limit today, and last week a gas
> reciept blew out on the highway. Oh yea, i also didnt
> signal before turning into my driveway, I tore the
> label off my mattress, and left the cap off a felt tip
> pen last night too.
>
> Thanks,
>
> rick
>
>
> --- johnrabenius@y... wrote:
> > OK,
> >
> > I called the city of Tempe Police department's
> > information number
> > (480-966-6211), explained what you wanted to do, and
> > they said to
> > call the Tempe City code compliance division
> > (480-350-8372). I called
> > them and got a recording explaining that they were
> > recieving
> > excessive call volumes, and to leave a message
> > describing the
> > complaint or nuisance, my number, and they would
> > call me back.
> >
> > I'll post the answer I get when they call back.
> >
> > I'd rather call and know for sure, rather than risk
> > a citation.
> >
> > No, I did not say WHEN you would be out there, or
> > WHO wanted to go.
> >
> > Personally, I'm betting on citations for all who
> > show. Remember: that
> > also means points on your license, and higher
> > insurance premiums.
> >
> > Anybody with outstanding warrants might want to pass
> > . . .
> >
> > John Rabenius
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
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25235 From: KC B <kcbemail@h...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:05pm
Subject: Re: How much Vibe before Mods Required
Rick,
Unlike the Beachboys, there is no such thing as "Good Vibrations" in a
vehicle. Even though you can't feel them after 25MPH, they're still
there...the frequency or speed of the vibration has just changed so you no
longer feel it. Unfortunately, all your seals, bearings, nuts, and bolts
still know its there.
Some 3" lift kits come with spacers to drop your T-case skid plate down an
inch to get the drive shaft angle closer to normal. This "solution" is a
lot like having a 2" lift! Another approach is a motor mount lift, where
the front of the motor is raised, which angles the T-case (and drops the
output end) to accomplish the same thing. The best solution (read most
expensive) is to install a Constant Velocity (CV) drive shaft. Not only
does it get rid of the vibration without other compromises, but they are
usually much stronger than the stock drive shaft.
Bottom line: Don't simply ignore the vibration because you don't feel it at
high speeds. That's like turning up the radio to drown out the rapping
bearing.
Ken
'97 $$$drive shaft TJ
>From: "Rick Hall" <ricknhall@h...>
>To: "AZVJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] How much Vibe before Mods Required
>Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:37:47 -0700
>
>I spoke to soon on that 3" lift. I have a noticiable vibe between 20 and
>25 mph. Not shaking the Jeep apart or anything but it's there. How much
>is bad? I normally blow through that speed pretty quick but I don't what
>abnormal wear (it is my daily ride).
>
>
>Rick
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25236 From: KC B <kcbemail@h...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:05pm
Subject: Re: How much Vibe before Mods Required
Rick,
Unlike the Beachboys, there is no such thing as "Good Vibrations" in a
vehicle. Even though you can't feel them after 25MPH, they're still
there...the frequency or speed of the vibration has just changed so you no
longer feel it. Unfortunately, all your seals, bearings, nuts, and bolts
still know its there.
Some 3" lift kits come with spacers to drop your T-case skid plate down an
inch to get the drive shaft angle closer to normal. This "solution" is a
lot like having a 2" lift! Another approach is a motor mount lift, where
the front of the motor is raised, which angles the T-case (and drops the
output end) to accomplish the same thing. The best solution (read most
expensive) is to install a Constant Velocity (CV) drive shaft. Not only
does it get rid of the vibration without other compromises, but they are
usually much stronger than the stock drive shaft.
Bottom line: Don't simply ignore the vibration because you don't feel it at
high speeds. That's like turning up the radio to drown out the rapping
bearing.
Ken
'97 $$$drive shaft TJ
>From: "Rick Hall" <ricknhall@h...>
>To: "AZVJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] How much Vibe before Mods Required
>Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:37:47 -0700
>
>I spoke to soon on that 3" lift. I have a noticiable vibe between 20 and
>25 mph. Not shaking the Jeep apart or anything but it's there. How much
>is bad? I normally blow through that speed pretty quick but I don't what
>abnormal wear (it is my daily ride).
>
>
>Rick
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25237 From: Joey K <joey@j...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:06pm
Subject: RE: Local Discounts
Or you can do what I do, ask if there is a club discount while you are
shopping around.
The club is getting to the size now that most truck, 4 wheel shops and
retailers know or have heard of AzVJC. The smarter company's see the
potential of giving a discount for the possibility of free advertisement on
this forum. Several members have posted good and bad experiences with
business and believe it or not it has an impact on the company. Good and
bad. I can tell you there are shops and dealers in the valley that I will
not visit just because not one but several individuals have posted negative
experiences with them. On the positive side I have gotten good advice on who
has the deals and the better service for my business. So company's if you
are reading this take heed the force is with us.
IMO
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeepw99@m... [mailto:jeepw99@m...]
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:31 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Local Discounts
>
>
> I always hear of the businesses that give AZVJC club discounts but it
> seems like it's always after I have purchased what I needed. Is
> there somewhere that lists the local companies that give the club
> discounts?
>
> Right now I'm just making note of each company as I read the posts.
> I think this would be a good addition to the site.
>
> Just my .02
>
> Mark
> 99TJ
>
>
>
>
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>
25238 From: Joey K <joey@j...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:06pm
Subject: RE: ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
Horse****!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: johnrabenius@y... [mailto:johnrabenius@y...]
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:50 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
>
>
> OK,
>
> I called the city of Tempe Police department's information number
> (480-966-6211), explained what you wanted to do, and they said to
> call the Tempe City code compliance division (480-350-8372). I called
> them and got a recording explaining that they were recieving
> excessive call volumes, and to leave a message describing the
> complaint or nuisance, my number, and they would call me back.
>
> I'll post the answer I get when they call back.
>
> I'd rather call and know for sure, rather than risk a citation.
>
> No, I did not say WHEN you would be out there, or WHO wanted to go.
>
> Personally, I'm betting on citations for all who show. Remember: that
> also means points on your license, and higher insurance premiums.
>
> Anybody with outstanding warrants might want to pass . . .
>
> John Rabenius
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
25239 From: Ray B. <kb7skv@c...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:17pm
Subject: Re: question?????
FWIW... The Auto-Zone in Coolidge is right next to an ex-Safeway parkinglot (lot is parking for a 'strip-mall' so open to use I would guess). Any-way, I'm sure something could be worked out. AND Bonus point...Coolidge is about half-way between Tucson, and Phoenix!! Whaddya think???
Just our two cents!!
Rick Hall wrote:
There once was a suggestion of a swap meet/maintenance type get together but I don't think they could find a place large enough. I think they were trying to get a Checker to allow us to use the parking lot in case parts were needed but with the number of members in this group it would never do. Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: Daddy Longlegs
To: Peter Zuleger ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] question?????
The largest I've seen is the first Tax Relief Run of 2000. There had to have been close to 65 Jeeps that day. Somewhere there are some groups pics. Anyone know where?
Scott
Peter Zuleger <azxjman@hotmail.com> wrote:
What was the largest number of members that ever showed for a event.
With over 600 members that would be a site to behold.
Peter
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Scott
Proud owner of "Daddy Longlegs"
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25240 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:13pm
Subject: WAS Thursday wheeling NOW: CHILL out!
Ok, I am going to chime in on this one...
I think a few of you are a little too harsh on John. I have met John once
or twice, so I am not defending him because I know him. REMEMBER, THIS IS
MY OPINION......
John called just to *find out* what the legal limit was on this particular
subject...
> > >>
> > >> No, I did not say WHEN you would be out there, or
> > >> WHO wanted to go.
> > >>
Do you really think the cops are going to sit there now for a week to see
if anyone actually does it? Like Rick said, The cops are always 3-4
hours late anyway, so maybe if he said that they would be out there for
lunch, the cops MIGHT show up around 7:00 PM.
John was just going about it leaglly......
> > >>
> > >> I'd rather call and know for sure, rather than risk
> > >> a citation.
Hell, I can't afford a citation, higher insurance premiums, and another 2
nights at a damn driving class!
This is pretty damn funny to me!
> > >>
> > >> Anybody with outstanding warrants might want to pass
> > >>
So, John might have been bored at work, hell, I am bored 7 out of the 8
hours I am at work! What else is there to do? Flame people on the web
site because they want to screw around a little?
How bout make a few calls and try to help out fellow Jeepers so the cops
don't end up making $$ from us in citations, so we can put that $$ back
into our Jeeps!!! (and no this isn't a plug for John Hunter either :), but
I have heard he does good work)
OK, flame away at me, my delete key is ready!
John R. if you do get a response, let me know what it is.
--- jeepindog@y... wrote:
> Ha-ha ha, ha ha ha ha ha.... rolling on the ground, red-faced,
> can't type.... ha ha ha... Rick, you killed me with that one!
>
> Thanks, and I'm right there with you on that one...
>
> Lachlan
>
>
> In az_vjc@y..., Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...> wrote:
> > Gotta agree with Rick on this one. Now you've notified the Police
> that it
> > does happen and they will watch for it. This we don't need. Before
> now, they
> > probably had no idea it was happening.
> >
> > Chris k
> >
> > > From: Rick VH <rick_vh@y...>
> > >
> > > You gotta be kidding me! You had nothing better to do
> > > with your day than to call and wait on hold just to
> > > rat out other members in the jeep club? Especially
> > > when the Police have better things to attend to such
> > > as burglaries, murders, rapes, and armed robberies.
> > > Everytime i've tried to get the police to help me on
> > > something such as when my house was burglerized, or
> > > when my jeep was broken into, or the time someone hit
> > > a car of mine in front of my house and took off, or
> > > when i was creamed by some drunk on 7th st, it took
> > > several hours for them to respond, even then they
> > > couldnt do anything about it. You have to waste their
> > > time because someone just *might* go drive their jeep
> > > in some dirt in an empty parking lot. Did they give
> > > you a Junior Police officer badge so you can
> > > personally come down and hand out tickets?
> > >
> > > Next time you rat someone out, save yourself some time
> > > and let them know that the wiring on my brake light is
> > > suspect and intermittantly doesnt work. I also drove
> > > 10mph over the speed limit today, and last week a gas
> > > reciept blew out on the highway. Oh yea, i also didnt
> > > signal before turning into my driveway, I tore the
> > > label off my mattress, and left the cap off a felt tip
> > > pen last night too.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > rick
> > >
> > >
> > > --- johnrabenius@y... wrote:
> > >> OK,
> > >>
> > >> I called the city of Tempe Police department's
> > >> information number
> > >> (480-966-6211), explained what you wanted to do, and
> > >> they said to
> > >> call the Tempe City code compliance division
> > >> (480-350-8372). I called
> > >> them and got a recording explaining that they were
> > >> recieving
> > >> excessive call volumes, and to leave a message
> > >> describing the
> > >> complaint or nuisance, my number, and they would
> > >> call me back.
> > >>
> > >> I'll post the answer I get when they call back.
> > >>
> > >> I'd rather call and know for sure, rather than risk
> > >> a citation.
> > >>
> > >> No, I did not say WHEN you would be out there, or
> > >> WHO wanted to go.
> > >>
> > >> Personally, I'm betting on citations for all who
> > >> show. Remember: that
> > >> also means points on your license, and higher
> > >> insurance premiums.
> > >>
> > >> Anybody with outstanding warrants might want to pass
> > >> . . .
> > >>
> > >> John Rabenius
=====
Mike Baney
2001 TJ
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25241 From: Ray B. <kb7skv@c...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:19pm
Subject: Re: Re: ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
DITTO!!!!!
jeeperaz@q... wrote:
> Rick.... that was classic! I agree, someone needs to lighten up.
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Rick VH <rick_vh@y...> wrote:
> > You gotta be kidding me! You had nothing better to do
> > with your day than to call and wait on hold just to
> > rat out other members in the jeep club? Especially
> > when the Police have better things to attend to such
> > as burglaries, murders, rapes, and armed robberies.
> > Everytime i've tried to get the police to help me on
> > something such as when my house was burglerized, or
> > when my jeep was broken into, or the time someone hit
> > a car of mine in front of my house and took off, or
> > when i was creamed by some drunk on 7th st, it took
> > several hours for them to respond, even then they
> > couldnt do anything about it. You have to waste their
> > time because someone just *might* go drive their jeep
> > in some dirt in an empty parking lot. Did they give
> > you a Junior Police officer badge so you can
> > personally come down and hand out tickets?
> >
> > Next time you rat someone out, save yourself some time
> > and let them know that the wiring on my brake light is
> > suspect and intermittantly doesnt work. I also drove
> > 10mph over the speed limit today, and last week a gas
> > reciept blew out on the highway. Oh yea, i also didnt
> > signal before turning into my driveway, I tore the
> > label off my mattress, and left the cap off a felt tip
> > pen last night too.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > rick
> >
> >
> > --- johnrabenius@y... wrote:
> > > OK,
> > >
> > > I called the city of Tempe Police department's
> > > information number
> > > (480-966-6211), explained what you wanted to do, and
> > > they said to
> > > call the Tempe City code compliance division
> > > (480-350-8372). I called
> > > them and got a recording explaining that they were
> > > recieving
> > > excessive call volumes, and to leave a message
> > > describing the
> > > complaint or nuisance, my number, and they would
> > > call me back.
> > >
> > > I'll post the answer I get when they call back.
> > >
> > > I'd rather call and know for sure, rather than risk
> > > a citation.
> > >
> > > No, I did not say WHEN you would be out there, or
> > > WHO wanted to go.
> > >
> > > Personally, I'm betting on citations for all who
> > > show. Remember: that
> > > also means points on your license, and higher
> > > insurance premiums.
> > >
> > > Anybody with outstanding warrants might want to pass
> > > . . .
> > >
> > > John Rabenius
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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25242 From: Eric Marble <emarble3@p...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:27pm
Subject: Re: Local Discounts
Speaking of discounts. There is a new fab shop in Tempe. Maverick offroad.
They can do about anything you want. Bumpers,rockguards, SOA, ect.
480-839-6203.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joey K" <joey@j...>
To: <jeepw99@m...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Local Discounts
> Or you can do what I do, ask if there is a club discount while you are
> shopping around.
> The club is getting to the size now that most truck, 4 wheel shops and
> retailers know or have heard of AzVJC. The smarter company's see the
> potential of giving a discount for the possibility of free advertisement
on
> this forum. Several members have posted good and bad experiences with
> business and believe it or not it has an impact on the company. Good and
> bad. I can tell you there are shops and dealers in the valley that I will
> not visit just because not one but several individuals have posted
negative
> experiences with them. On the positive side I have gotten good advice on
who
> has the deals and the better service for my business. So company's if you
> are reading this take heed the force is with us.
> IMO
> Joey K
> 93YJ
> www.desertjeep.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jeepw99@m... [mailto:jeepw99@m...]
> > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:31 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Local Discounts
> >
> >
> > I always hear of the businesses that give AZVJC club discounts but it
> > seems like it's always after I have purchased what I needed. Is
> > there somewhere that lists the local companies that give the club
> > discounts?
> >
> > Right now I'm just making note of each company as I read the posts.
> > I think this would be a good addition to the site.
> >
> > Just my .02
> >
> > Mark
> > 99TJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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25243 From: RICK BEER <RIKNAZ@M...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:21pm
Subject: Fw: FW: Fwd: Fwd: Fwd[2]:Halloween costume
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Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 7:28 PM
To: Rick Biertempfel; David E. Dolinar; Shawn Kelly; Kevin P. Kuhns; Glenn Mack; Bill Schronz; Tom , Nicole Taylor; Glenn Wagner
Subject: Fwd: FW: Fwd: Fwd: Fwd[2]:Halloween costume
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25244 From: Joey K <joey@j...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:30pm
Subject: RE: WAS Thursday wheeling NOW: CHILL out!
I think he wrote it the wrong way. It looks to me like his intentions were
good but he should have waited till he got an answer before telling us. Then
he could have went one of two ways gave us the heads up that it is illegal
OR he could have told us that the Cops don't care and he'll be meetin' us
there.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 9:14 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] WAS Thursday wheeling NOW: CHILL out!
>
>
> Ok, I am going to chime in on this one...
>
> I think a few of you are a little too harsh on John. I have met John once
> or twice, so I am not defending him because I know him. REMEMBER, THIS IS
> MY OPINION......
>
> John called just to *find out* what the legal limit was on this particular
> subject...
> > > >>
> > > >> No, I did not say WHEN you would be out there, or
> > > >> WHO wanted to go.
> > > >>
> Do you really think the cops are going to sit there now for a week to see
> if anyone actually does it? Like Rick said, The cops are always 3-4
> hours late anyway, so maybe if he said that they would be out there for
> lunch, the cops MIGHT show up around 7:00 PM.
>
> John was just going about it leaglly......
> > > >>
> > > >> I'd rather call and know for sure, rather than risk
> > > >> a citation.
> Hell, I can't afford a citation, higher insurance premiums, and another 2
> nights at a damn driving class!
>
> This is pretty damn funny to me!
> > > >>
> > > >> Anybody with outstanding warrants might want to pass
> > > >>
>
> So, John might have been bored at work, hell, I am bored 7 out of the 8
> hours I am at work! What else is there to do? Flame people on the web
> site because they want to screw around a little?
> How bout make a few calls and try to help out fellow Jeepers so the cops
> don't end up making $$ from us in citations, so we can put that $$ back
> into our Jeeps!!! (and no this isn't a plug for John Hunter either :), but
> I have heard he does good work)
>
> OK, flame away at me, my delete key is ready!
>
> John R. if you do get a response, let me know what it is.
>
>
> --- jeepindog@y... wrote:
> > Ha-ha ha, ha ha ha ha ha.... rolling on the ground, red-faced,
> > can't type.... ha ha ha... Rick, you killed me with that one!
> >
> > Thanks, and I'm right there with you on that one...
> >
> > Lachlan
> >
> >
> > In az_vjc@y..., Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...> wrote:
> > > Gotta agree with Rick on this one. Now you've notified the Police
> > that it
> > > does happen and they will watch for it. This we don't need. Before
> > now, they
> > > probably had no idea it was happening.
> > >
> > > Chris k
> > >
> > > > From: Rick VH <rick_vh@y...>
> > > >
> > > > You gotta be kidding me! You had nothing better to do
> > > > with your day than to call and wait on hold just to
> > > > rat out other members in the jeep club? Especially
> > > > when the Police have better things to attend to such
> > > > as burglaries, murders, rapes, and armed robberies.
> > > > Everytime i've tried to get the police to help me on
> > > > something such as when my house was burglerized, or
> > > > when my jeep was broken into, or the time someone hit
> > > > a car of mine in front of my house and took off, or
> > > > when i was creamed by some drunk on 7th st, it took
> > > > several hours for them to respond, even then they
> > > > couldnt do anything about it. You have to waste their
> > > > time because someone just *might* go drive their jeep
> > > > in some dirt in an empty parking lot. Did they give
> > > > you a Junior Police officer badge so you can
> > > > personally come down and hand out tickets?
> > > >
> > > > Next time you rat someone out, save yourself some time
> > > > and let them know that the wiring on my brake light is
> > > > suspect and intermittantly doesnt work. I also drove
> > > > 10mph over the speed limit today, and last week a gas
> > > > reciept blew out on the highway. Oh yea, i also didnt
> > > > signal before turning into my driveway, I tore the
> > > > label off my mattress, and left the cap off a felt tip
> > > > pen last night too.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > rick
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- johnrabenius@y... wrote:
> > > >> OK,
> > > >>
> > > >> I called the city of Tempe Police department's
> > > >> information number
> > > >> (480-966-6211), explained what you wanted to do, and
> > > >> they said to
> > > >> call the Tempe City code compliance division
> > > >> (480-350-8372). I called
> > > >> them and got a recording explaining that they were
> > > >> recieving
> > > >> excessive call volumes, and to leave a message
> > > >> describing the
> > > >> complaint or nuisance, my number, and they would
> > > >> call me back.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'll post the answer I get when they call back.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'd rather call and know for sure, rather than risk
> > > >> a citation.
> > > >>
> > > >> No, I did not say WHEN you would be out there, or
> > > >> WHO wanted to go.
> > > >>
> > > >> Personally, I'm betting on citations for all who
> > > >> show. Remember: that
> > > >> also means points on your license, and higher
> > > >> insurance premiums.
> > > >>
> > > >> Anybody with outstanding warrants might want to pass
> > > >> . . .
> > > >>
> > > >> John Rabenius
>
>
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> 2001 TJ
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25245 From: Daddy Longlegs <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:51pm
Subject: RE: Very infromal Thurs. Night Run Here in town
Stu raises some great points. I don't think its appropriate either. This is what I expect out of a bunch of high schoolers, not the AZVJC. Its not that far out from Tempe to hit some real trails.
Scott
Stu Olson wrote:
This is not meant to be a flame.....just comments on the proposed idea.
Maybe I am just getting too old, but is 4 wheelin' in the middle of Tempe the kind of picture we want to give to everyone that lives in that area?
"And if they can dump, we can wheel." Because someone else may or may not have done something legal or illegal, that makes it OK for us to do something else? Sorry, but I think that statemetn lacks some fundamental logic.
I do know for certain that there are dust abatement (sp) laws in Maricopa County and that all cities and property owners have to abide by them. Even if you don't get cited for it, the property owner can and then you have stuck that individual with a fine (and yes, they are held responsible even though they had nothing to do with it). Is this the right thing to do?
I guess my point is pretty simple.....we, the off-road community, are under the gun from just about everyone except those who ride some kind of vehicle on a trail. Given all of the trails in Arizona, why wheel on a lot in the middle of Tempe? Will you be doing something that promotes are sport in the eyes of the public? Will your actions warm the hearts of those who are sitting on the fence, undecided....trying to figure out if they should choose "our side" or the greenies?
Like I said, this is not a flame.....just some questions that some folks might want to consider. From my view point, I can see nothing but the potential for trouble rising out of this.
thanks,
Stu
One last thought....if you do decide to go through with this, do me a favor and remove/cover the AZVJC sticker, if there is one on your Jeep. I hope the reason for this request is obvious.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com [mailto:hunteroffroad@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:31 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Very infromal Thurs. Night Run Here in town
Club,
OK Heres the deal. When your really really hungry, cold pizza tastes
good? Ok I dont get out much and I have the serious urge to wheel. Across
the street from me on Kyrene and Elliot is a very large field that has been
used for dumping dirt from personal pools. The area is like the size of a
very large parking lot of a very large grocery store. I have been out there a
few times and there are no signs. I do know the Tempe lets you sell your car
on the lot so they cant be to picky. And if they can dump, we can wheel.
While it may sound easy or a push over, but in reality, it can be
extremly hard. I guarantee you will flex your suspension harder here than
you ever will at Wood Pecker or Ajax. But the nice thing is, it is soft
dirt, no rocks to give you dents or break parts. Also, you can make your
line as hard as you want. Pick a direction and get silly. If you get stuck,
it it easy to Hilift or dig out. (Most of the times I go with my buggy, I
get stuck.
:::WHY:::
Cause I need to go wheeling and this is a good as it gets for me. I and I
dont like playing alone. Its weird not haveing anyone laughing at you when
you dig.
:::Time and Directions:::
Thursday Night June 13th, 7:00 PM
I plan on haveing dinner at the Sonic Drive-In across the street from the
field at about 7, then maybe head over for a couple of hours. There is also
AMPM Arco gas station lcoated right next door so you can get gas, or a place
to air up if you want. The Sonic and AMPM ar located on the North West
corner of Kyrene and Elloit.
:::The Plan:::
I know I have 3 people all ready planning on attending so hope fully this
would be a good crowd. (Hey, Thursday night TV is all reruns anways). The
plan, have some burgers and fries while sitting in my 4wd, have a couple of
hours of kick *** wheeling and fun, and still make it home in time to catch
the news and Jay Leno.
I tried to post this thru the web page but it didnt work. So please email
me back so I have an idea how many to expect. This field IS BIG, I can
easily see 20 to 30 jeeps out there playing and no one getting in someones
way.
See ya soon.
John K
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25246 From: Daddy Longlegs <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:51pm
Subject: RE: Very infromal Thurs. Night Run Here in town
Stu raises some great points. I don't think its appropriate either. This is what I expect out of a bunch of high schoolers, not the AZVJC. Its not that far out from Tempe to hit some real trails.
Scott
Stu Olson wrote:
This is not meant to be a flame.....just comments on the proposed idea.
Maybe I am just getting too old, but is 4 wheelin' in the middle of Tempe the kind of picture we want to give to everyone that lives in that area?
"And if they can dump, we can wheel." Because someone else may or may not have done something legal or illegal, that makes it OK for us to do something else? Sorry, but I think that statemetn lacks some fundamental logic.
I do know for certain that there are dust abatement (sp) laws in Maricopa County and that all cities and property owners have to abide by them. Even if you don't get cited for it, the property owner can and then you have stuck that individual with a fine (and yes, they are held responsible even though they had nothing to do with it). Is this the right thing to do?
I guess my point is pretty simple.....we, the off-road community, are under the gun from just about everyone except those who ride some kind of vehicle on a trail. Given all of the trails in Arizona, why wheel on a lot in the middle of Tempe? Will you be doing something that promotes are sport in the eyes of the public? Will your actions warm the hearts of those who are sitting on the fence, undecided....trying to figure out if they should choose "our side" or the greenies?
Like I said, this is not a flame.....just some questions that some folks might want to consider. From my view point, I can see nothing but the potential for trouble rising out of this.
thanks,
Stu
One last thought....if you do decide to go through with this, do me a favor and remove/cover the AZVJC sticker, if there is one on your Jeep. I hope the reason for this request is obvious.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com [mailto:hunteroffroad@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:31 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Very infromal Thurs. Night Run Here in town
Club,
OK Heres the deal. When your really really hungry, cold pizza tastes
good? Ok I dont get out much and I have the serious urge to wheel. Across
the street from me on Kyrene and Elliot is a very large field that has been
used for dumping dirt from personal pools. The area is like the size of a
very large parking lot of a very large grocery store. I have been out there a
few times and there are no signs. I do know the Tempe lets you sell your car
on the lot so they cant be to picky. And if they can dump, we can wheel.
While it may sound easy or a push over, but in reality, it can be
extremly hard. I guarantee you will flex your suspension harder here than
you ever will at Wood Pecker or Ajax. But the nice thing is, it is soft
dirt, no rocks to give you dents or break parts. Also, you can make your
line as hard as you want. Pick a direction and get silly. If you get stuck,
it it easy to Hilift or dig out. (Most of the times I go with my buggy, I
get stuck.
:::WHY:::
Cause I need to go wheeling and this is a good as it gets for me. I and I
dont like playing alone. Its weird not haveing anyone laughing at you when
you dig.
:::Time and Directions:::
Thursday Night June 13th, 7:00 PM
I plan on haveing dinner at the Sonic Drive-In across the street from the
field at about 7, then maybe head over for a couple of hours. There is also
AMPM Arco gas station lcoated right next door so you can get gas, or a place
to air up if you want. The Sonic and AMPM ar located on the North West
corner of Kyrene and Elloit.
:::The Plan:::
I know I have 3 people all ready planning on attending so hope fully this
would be a good crowd. (Hey, Thursday night TV is all reruns anways). The
plan, have some burgers and fries while sitting in my 4wd, have a couple of
hours of kick *** wheeling and fun, and still make it home in time to catch
the news and Jay Leno.
I tried to post this thru the web page but it didnt work. So please email
me back so I have an idea how many to expect. This field IS BIG, I can
easily see 20 to 30 jeeps out there playing and no one getting in someones
way.
See ya soon.
John K
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25247 From: Daddy Longlegs <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:54pm
Subject: Re: Need phone number
Mike,
Their shop number is:
(602) 749-0588
Scott
Mike Baney wrote:
Anyone have the phone number for OR-Fab?
I looked in the database at yahoo groups, but it is not in there, or I am
just blind:)
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25248 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 10:09pm
Subject: Re: ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
I've heard that somewhere before...but I have to agree! A little AR.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joey K" <joey@j...>
To: <johnrabenius@y...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
> Horse****!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: johnrabenius@y... [mailto:johnrabenius@y...]
> > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:50 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
> >
> >
> > OK,
> >
> > I called the city of Tempe Police department's information number
> > (480-966-6211), explained what you wanted to do, and they said to
> > call the Tempe City code compliance division (480-350-8372). I called
> > them and got a recording explaining that they were recieving
> > excessive call volumes, and to leave a message describing the
> > complaint or nuisance, my number, and they would call me back.
> >
> > I'll post the answer I get when they call back.
> >
> > I'd rather call and know for sure, rather than risk a citation.
> >
> > No, I did not say WHEN you would be out there, or WHO wanted to go.
> >
> > Personally, I'm betting on citations for all who show. Remember: that
> > also means points on your license, and higher insurance premiums.
> >
> > Anybody with outstanding warrants might want to pass . . .
> >
> > John Rabenius
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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25249 From: Daddy Longlegs <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 10:07pm
Subject: Re: BFG vs GY MT's
Okay I have to clarify something here. The original "slipping off the rocks" statement was made by either Ross or Bill M or both. Anyway the point was basically a comparison of the side lugs on the Swamper SX to the MT/R. It's obvious that the SX has the most aggressive side lugs out there. It was in reference to using the sidewall lugs to bite into a vertical surface and carry you up it on the rockface on the sidewall lugs alone. I've only seen the SX do this. A BFG, MT/R, Pro Comp or any other tire including the Swamper TSL radial and SSR could never be expected to do what was discussed in this scenario. I've witnessed it with the SX's first hand and driven on many 4+ trails on my MT/R's. Next to the Swamper SX you can't find a better offroad tire. Of course other than the Swamper Bogger you couldn't find a worse onroad tire than the SX. Apples and oranges folks. The MT/R is the best compromise out there for dual use.
When I finally get my trailer this summer and begin towing the TJ to runs you can bet that there will be a set of SX's on my TJ within months. Of course I will also keep the MT/R's in the garage for when I don't use the trailer or go play in the snow.
Scott Kruize
Mike Baney wrote:
Ok, I know you are looking for MT's, and here is my experiance with BFG
and Pro Comp MT's.
My first set of tires on my old Jeep was the 32x11.50 BFG MT's. They
seemed like they did not wear at all! BUT, they were not *sticky* on the
rocks. I now have the Pro Comp MT's, and they stick real nice, and the
sidewall is great so far. I ran Predator Saturday night, down to 11 psi,
and the tires were awsome. I have been very impressed with them, and they
are cheaper than BFG's. They do seam to wear a little quicker than the
BFG's. As far as GY MT's, I have heard they are great but do have a
problem slipping off rocks. I don't have the experiance with them, only
what I read from fellow members.
Oy ya, on road, the pro comps are really nice. They have that nice hum,
but they do not wonder, and thats with both sways disco'd!
--- "Chris R." wrote:
> Ok, still comparing tires. Can anyone give me some insight as to the
> benefits that make either of these tires better than the other? Is it
> really worth the cost of one over the other?
>
> Please include performance on and off road.
>
> Chris
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25250 From: Daddy Longlegs <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 10:24pm
Subject: Re: How much Vibe before Mods Required
Rick,
After owning a YJ for 4 years and the TJ for 2 years I think I might have an opinion on this ;)
I think any amount of driveline vibe should try to solved. You'd be surprised at how short a life ujoints and bearings have when you don't deal with the problem and let it slide. My rear CV just about came apart on the TJ one night because I was too lazy to keep playing with the CV angle until I got it just right. I could literally move it back and forth with about an inch of play in it. I only ran it with vibes for a few months. Honest. I also got lazy and kept ignoring the vibes from the front driveshaft. I know I should have gotten that new Tom Wood driveshaft sooner (or least gotten the stock one balanced) but I kept putting it off. Well by the time I got the new shaft the front output seal on the tcase was leaking and the bearing was making noise. I had to drop the tcase and split it open to replace that bearing. What a major PITA and it could have been prevented. Now I wonder how much life is left in the pinion bearings and the rear output bearing. Who knows!
Anyway I think its best to resolve this. If you don't have lifted motor mounts now is the time to give that a try. You can also try the cam bolt kit on the upper rear arms but this isn't nearly as effective as the MM lift or the adjustable rear arms. Maybe you only need a washer or two to space the crossmember down a bit. If your not sure let me know. I'd be happy to help you work through it. Heck, I might even be willing to get my hands dirty too :)
Scott Kruize
Rick Hall wrote:
I spoke to soon on that 3" lift. I have a noticiable vibe between 20 and 25 mph. Not shaking the Jeep apart or anything but it's there. How much is bad? I normally blow through that speed pretty quick but I don't what abnormal wear (it is my daily ride).
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25251 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 6:29pm
Subject: ::OT::WHOA! HOLD ON About Thursday Night.....
This whole idea was supposed to be for fun. The last thng I wanted was to
piss somebody or, worse, start a fight among the group. I thought it would
be fun. My thoughts were, "Hmm.. Get some burgers, and some fries, do a
little wheeling for an hour or two, and swap some stories." This is not, a
beer fest, or shoot your guns or race around and play tag with the jeeps.
Just some playin on the dirt hills with our 4x4s. THATS IT.
I DID NOT, nor did I WANT this to turn into such bull#$@%. I dont know
about you people, but between my shop, trying to pay an employee, keep the
IRS off my back, pay a landlord, keep a grilfreind happy, keep a business
running, and trying to keep both of my POS 4x4 running, I all ready have
enough drama in my life thank you. And I imagine everyone else in the club
has their own problems to deal with, kids, mortage, IRS, etc,etc, and there
jobs. The last thing we need is more drama. I think we can all agree on that
I plan on going, I have been there dozens of times myself, it is my
little play area, Sad thats all I have time for, but I will take it.
PLEASE, let the issue drop. If you want to come, great. Yes, I will enjoy
the company, wheeling by yourself sucks. If you have a probelm with it well,
Im truly sorry, offending people was the last thing on my mind. We will be
on a or best behavoir. Promise. I dont want to lose my favorite place to
wheel any more than other poeple are worried about our club getting a bad
rap. So before this gets any worse... let it go. We are all grown ups, we
can do what we want and take the heat if we start a fire. But we dont need
to divide the club like this. Not on something so trival.
If you still need to voice your opionin about what I want to do, or if
you have a personal a problem with me, or even the poeple going. Please
flame personaly, and spare evrybody else the drama and save the space for
tires, dents, lifts, lockers.....
Again, I deeply apologize for the trouble.
Sincerly,
John Kanicsar
25252 From: <johnrabenius@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 11:11pm
Subject: I did ask you to READ . . .
. . . but I guess most of you didn't.
I wanted to know if it was legal or not, as Mike pointed out (thanks,
Mike!). If you have a question about something, don't make up your
own answers, they may not hold up in court.
I also said that:
1. I did not give my last name
2. WHERE the event would happen
3. WHEN the event would happen
4. WHO would attend.
I will still post the answer I get, and if you don't want to know,
don't read my post for the answer.
================================================== ====================
. . . and for those of you who jumped all over me, I have this to say
to you: (in the wicked witch voice)
"I'll get you, my little pretty, and your little dog, too!" :)
================================================== ====================
John "It never hurts to ask" Rabenius
25253 From: Daddy Longlegs <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 11:21pm
Subject: Re: New Product: TJ flares for YJs
Hmmm,
I once owned a YJ and when I look at my TJ flares I can see that not only is the flare larger but the sheetmetal opening is too. Most TJ on YJ flare conversions are done because the owner wants a larger wheel opening and has to use a sawzall to accomodate the bigger flares. Before I got the TJ I looked into this mod too. But as far as a trail Jeep goes these new look alike flares are for the posers. Whats the point if you are not making more room for bigger tires?
My 2 cents for now,
Scott
Chris Krieg wrote:
While they won't help me, I've seen numerous posts from YJ owners looking
for TJ flares and then instructions on how to mount them on the YJ.
I just got my new Quadratec catalog and they are now selling TJ style flares
that are a direct fit on YJs. They mount with existing screws and holes
They are made by Xenon
Just FYI
Chris K
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25254 From: UF RULZ <scoopman_2000@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 11:56pm
Subject: Re: ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
Hehe....here's a virtual hi-five from me to you on
that one Rick.
Aaron
99TJ
--- Rick VH <rick_vh@y...> wrote:
> You gotta be kidding me! You had nothing better to
> do
> with your day than to call and wait on hold just to
> rat out other members in the jeep club? Especially
> when the Police have better things to attend to such
> as burglaries, murders, rapes, and armed robberies.
> Everytime i've tried to get the police to help me on
> something such as when my house was burglerized, or
> when my jeep was broken into, or the time someone
> hit
> a car of mine in front of my house and took off, or
> when i was creamed by some drunk on 7th st, it took
> several hours for them to respond, even then they
> couldnt do anything about it. You have to waste
> their
> time because someone just *might* go drive their
> jeep
> in some dirt in an empty parking lot. Did they give
> you a Junior Police officer badge so you can
> personally come down and hand out tickets?
>
> Next time you rat someone out, save yourself some
> time
> and let them know that the wiring on my brake light
> is
> suspect and intermittantly doesnt work. I also
> drove
> 10mph over the speed limit today, and last week a
> gas
> reciept blew out on the highway. Oh yea, i also
> didnt
> signal before turning into my driveway, I tore the
> label off my mattress, and left the cap off a felt
> tip
> pen last night too.
>
> Thanks,
>
> rick
>
>
> --- johnrabenius@y... wrote:
> > OK,
> >
> > I called the city of Tempe Police department's
> > information number
> > (480-966-6211), explained what you wanted to do,
> and
> > they said to
> > call the Tempe City code compliance division
> > (480-350-8372). I called
> > them and got a recording explaining that they were
> > recieving
> > excessive call volumes, and to leave a message
> > describing the
> > complaint or nuisance, my number, and they would
> > call me back.
> >
> > I'll post the answer I get when they call back.
> >
> > I'd rather call and know for sure, rather than
> risk
> > a citation.
> >
> > No, I did not say WHEN you would be out there, or
> > WHO wanted to go.
> >
> > Personally, I'm betting on citations for all who
> > show. Remember: that
> > also means points on your license, and higher
> > insurance premiums.
> >
> > Anybody with outstanding warrants might want to
> pass
> > . . .
> >
> > John Rabenius
> >
> >
> >
> >
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25230 From: <mudbogr@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 7:53pm
Subject: Re: New poll for az_vjc
Unfortunately this poll won't tell anyone much. I could vote for
everything given the stated purpose. Each of these tires excelles at
a specific purpose and all of them are worthy of recommendation.
Although if you are looking for good street tires with off road
ability it would be a couple; whereas mud would be another; and rocks
would be yet another. There is no tire that excelles everywhere over
any other tire. It is all based on priority of use and qualities that
determine the best tire.
If I could, I'd have a set of all 4 for use in their specific
strengths.
--- In az_vjc@y..., az_vjc@y... wrote:
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> az_vjc group:
>
> What brand and model tire do you
> have/had that you would reccommend?
>
> o Swampers
> o Boggers
> o MTR's
> o BFG Mud TA's
> o Other
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25231 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 8:11pm
Subject: New Product: TJ flares for YJs
While they won't help me, I've seen numerous posts from YJ owners looking
for TJ flares and then instructions on how to mount them on the YJ.
I just got my new Quadratec catalog and they are now selling TJ style flares
that are a direct fit on YJs. They mount with existing screws and holes
They are made by Xenon
Just FYI
Chris K
25232 From: <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 8:14pm
Subject: Re: ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
Ha-ha ha, ha ha ha ha ha.... rolling on the ground, red-faced,
can't type.... ha ha ha... Rick, you killed me with that one!
Thanks, and I'm right there with you on that one...
Lachlan
In az_vjc@y..., Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...> wrote:
> Gotta agree with Rick on this one. Now you've notified the Police
that it
> does happen and they will watch for it. This we don't need. Before
now, they
> probably had no idea it was happening.
>
> Chris k
>
> > From: Rick VH <rick_vh@y...>
> >
> > You gotta be kidding me! You had nothing better to do
> > with your day than to call and wait on hold just to
> > rat out other members in the jeep club? Especially
> > when the Police have better things to attend to such
> > as burglaries, murders, rapes, and armed robberies.
> > Everytime i've tried to get the police to help me on
> > something such as when my house was burglerized, or
> > when my jeep was broken into, or the time someone hit
> > a car of mine in front of my house and took off, or
> > when i was creamed by some drunk on 7th st, it took
> > several hours for them to respond, even then they
> > couldnt do anything about it. You have to waste their
> > time because someone just *might* go drive their jeep
> > in some dirt in an empty parking lot. Did they give
> > you a Junior Police officer badge so you can
> > personally come down and hand out tickets?
> >
> > Next time you rat someone out, save yourself some time
> > and let them know that the wiring on my brake light is
> > suspect and intermittantly doesnt work. I also drove
> > 10mph over the speed limit today, and last week a gas
> > reciept blew out on the highway. Oh yea, i also didnt
> > signal before turning into my driveway, I tore the
> > label off my mattress, and left the cap off a felt tip
> > pen last night too.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > rick
> >
> >
> > --- johnrabenius@y... wrote:
> >> OK,
> >>
> >> I called the city of Tempe Police department's
> >> information number
> >> (480-966-6211), explained what you wanted to do, and
> >> they said to
> >> call the Tempe City code compliance division
> >> (480-350-8372). I called
> >> them and got a recording explaining that they were
> >> recieving
> >> excessive call volumes, and to leave a message
> >> describing the
> >> complaint or nuisance, my number, and they would
> >> call me back.
> >>
> >> I'll post the answer I get when they call back.
> >>
> >> I'd rather call and know for sure, rather than risk
> >> a citation.
> >>
> >> No, I did not say WHEN you would be out there, or
> >> WHO wanted to go.
> >>
> >> Personally, I'm betting on citations for all who
> >> show. Remember: that
> >> also means points on your license, and higher
> >> insurance premiums.
> >>
> >> Anybody with outstanding warrants might want to pass
> >> . . .
> >>
> >> John Rabenius
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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25233 From: Jesus Chio - AllOffRoad <jchio@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 10:23am
Subject: Re: ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
You guys can tell the cops that my CJ wont have any ebrake, thats ok... Just
dont tell mom or the wife that Ive spent my college savings on the Jeep!!
Thanks!!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick VH" <rick_vh@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
> You gotta be kidding me! You had nothing better to do
> with your day than to call and wait on hold just to
> rat out other members in the jeep club? Especially
> when the Police have better things to attend to such
> as burglaries, murders, rapes, and armed robberies.
> Everytime i've tried to get the police to help me on
> something such as when my house was burglerized, or
> when my jeep was broken into, or the time someone hit
> a car of mine in front of my house and took off, or
> when i was creamed by some drunk on 7th st, it took
> several hours for them to respond, even then they
> couldnt do anything about it. You have to waste their
> time because someone just *might* go drive their jeep
> in some dirt in an empty parking lot. Did they give
> you a Junior Police officer badge so you can
> personally come down and hand out tickets?
>
> Next time you rat someone out, save yourself some time
> and let them know that the wiring on my brake light is
> suspect and intermittantly doesnt work. I also drove
> 10mph over the speed limit today, and last week a gas
> reciept blew out on the highway. Oh yea, i also didnt
> signal before turning into my driveway, I tore the
> label off my mattress, and left the cap off a felt tip
> pen last night too.
>
> Thanks,
>
> rick
>
>
> --- johnrabenius@y... wrote:
> > OK,
> >
> > I called the city of Tempe Police department's
> > information number
> > (480-966-6211), explained what you wanted to do, and
> > they said to
> > call the Tempe City code compliance division
> > (480-350-8372). I called
> > them and got a recording explaining that they were
> > recieving
> > excessive call volumes, and to leave a message
> > describing the
> > complaint or nuisance, my number, and they would
> > call me back.
> >
> > I'll post the answer I get when they call back.
> >
> > I'd rather call and know for sure, rather than risk
> > a citation.
> >
> > No, I did not say WHEN you would be out there, or
> > WHO wanted to go.
> >
> > Personally, I'm betting on citations for all who
> > show. Remember: that
> > also means points on your license, and higher
> > insurance premiums.
> >
> > Anybody with outstanding warrants might want to pass
> > . . .
> >
> > John Rabenius
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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25234 From: <jeeperaz@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 8:35pm
Subject: Re: ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
Rick.... that was classic! I agree, someone needs to lighten up.
--- In az_vjc@y..., Rick VH <rick_vh@y...> wrote:
> You gotta be kidding me! You had nothing better to do
> with your day than to call and wait on hold just to
> rat out other members in the jeep club? Especially
> when the Police have better things to attend to such
> as burglaries, murders, rapes, and armed robberies.
> Everytime i've tried to get the police to help me on
> something such as when my house was burglerized, or
> when my jeep was broken into, or the time someone hit
> a car of mine in front of my house and took off, or
> when i was creamed by some drunk on 7th st, it took
> several hours for them to respond, even then they
> couldnt do anything about it. You have to waste their
> time because someone just *might* go drive their jeep
> in some dirt in an empty parking lot. Did they give
> you a Junior Police officer badge so you can
> personally come down and hand out tickets?
>
> Next time you rat someone out, save yourself some time
> and let them know that the wiring on my brake light is
> suspect and intermittantly doesnt work. I also drove
> 10mph over the speed limit today, and last week a gas
> reciept blew out on the highway. Oh yea, i also didnt
> signal before turning into my driveway, I tore the
> label off my mattress, and left the cap off a felt tip
> pen last night too.
>
> Thanks,
>
> rick
>
>
> --- johnrabenius@y... wrote:
> > OK,
> >
> > I called the city of Tempe Police department's
> > information number
> > (480-966-6211), explained what you wanted to do, and
> > they said to
> > call the Tempe City code compliance division
> > (480-350-8372). I called
> > them and got a recording explaining that they were
> > recieving
> > excessive call volumes, and to leave a message
> > describing the
> > complaint or nuisance, my number, and they would
> > call me back.
> >
> > I'll post the answer I get when they call back.
> >
> > I'd rather call and know for sure, rather than risk
> > a citation.
> >
> > No, I did not say WHEN you would be out there, or
> > WHO wanted to go.
> >
> > Personally, I'm betting on citations for all who
> > show. Remember: that
> > also means points on your license, and higher
> > insurance premiums.
> >
> > Anybody with outstanding warrants might want to pass
> > . . .
> >
> > John Rabenius
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
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25235 From: KC B <kcbemail@h...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:05pm
Subject: Re: How much Vibe before Mods Required
Rick,
Unlike the Beachboys, there is no such thing as "Good Vibrations" in a
vehicle. Even though you can't feel them after 25MPH, they're still
there...the frequency or speed of the vibration has just changed so you no
longer feel it. Unfortunately, all your seals, bearings, nuts, and bolts
still know its there.
Some 3" lift kits come with spacers to drop your T-case skid plate down an
inch to get the drive shaft angle closer to normal. This "solution" is a
lot like having a 2" lift! Another approach is a motor mount lift, where
the front of the motor is raised, which angles the T-case (and drops the
output end) to accomplish the same thing. The best solution (read most
expensive) is to install a Constant Velocity (CV) drive shaft. Not only
does it get rid of the vibration without other compromises, but they are
usually much stronger than the stock drive shaft.
Bottom line: Don't simply ignore the vibration because you don't feel it at
high speeds. That's like turning up the radio to drown out the rapping
bearing.
Ken
'97 $$$drive shaft TJ
>From: "Rick Hall" <ricknhall@h...>
>To: "AZVJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] How much Vibe before Mods Required
>Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:37:47 -0700
>
>I spoke to soon on that 3" lift. I have a noticiable vibe between 20 and
>25 mph. Not shaking the Jeep apart or anything but it's there. How much
>is bad? I normally blow through that speed pretty quick but I don't what
>abnormal wear (it is my daily ride).
>
>
>Rick
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25236 From: KC B <kcbemail@h...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:05pm
Subject: Re: How much Vibe before Mods Required
Rick,
Unlike the Beachboys, there is no such thing as "Good Vibrations" in a
vehicle. Even though you can't feel them after 25MPH, they're still
there...the frequency or speed of the vibration has just changed so you no
longer feel it. Unfortunately, all your seals, bearings, nuts, and bolts
still know its there.
Some 3" lift kits come with spacers to drop your T-case skid plate down an
inch to get the drive shaft angle closer to normal. This "solution" is a
lot like having a 2" lift! Another approach is a motor mount lift, where
the front of the motor is raised, which angles the T-case (and drops the
output end) to accomplish the same thing. The best solution (read most
expensive) is to install a Constant Velocity (CV) drive shaft. Not only
does it get rid of the vibration without other compromises, but they are
usually much stronger than the stock drive shaft.
Bottom line: Don't simply ignore the vibration because you don't feel it at
high speeds. That's like turning up the radio to drown out the rapping
bearing.
Ken
'97 $$$drive shaft TJ
>From: "Rick Hall" <ricknhall@h...>
>To: "AZVJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] How much Vibe before Mods Required
>Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:37:47 -0700
>
>I spoke to soon on that 3" lift. I have a noticiable vibe between 20 and
>25 mph. Not shaking the Jeep apart or anything but it's there. How much
>is bad? I normally blow through that speed pretty quick but I don't what
>abnormal wear (it is my daily ride).
>
>
>Rick
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25237 From: Joey K <joey@j...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:06pm
Subject: RE: Local Discounts
Or you can do what I do, ask if there is a club discount while you are
shopping around.
The club is getting to the size now that most truck, 4 wheel shops and
retailers know or have heard of AzVJC. The smarter company's see the
potential of giving a discount for the possibility of free advertisement on
this forum. Several members have posted good and bad experiences with
business and believe it or not it has an impact on the company. Good and
bad. I can tell you there are shops and dealers in the valley that I will
not visit just because not one but several individuals have posted negative
experiences with them. On the positive side I have gotten good advice on who
has the deals and the better service for my business. So company's if you
are reading this take heed the force is with us.
IMO
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeepw99@m... [mailto:jeepw99@m...]
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:31 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Local Discounts
>
>
> I always hear of the businesses that give AZVJC club discounts but it
> seems like it's always after I have purchased what I needed. Is
> there somewhere that lists the local companies that give the club
> discounts?
>
> Right now I'm just making note of each company as I read the posts.
> I think this would be a good addition to the site.
>
> Just my .02
>
> Mark
> 99TJ
>
>
>
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25238 From: Joey K <joey@j...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:06pm
Subject: RE: ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
Horse****!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: johnrabenius@y... [mailto:johnrabenius@y...]
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:50 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
>
>
> OK,
>
> I called the city of Tempe Police department's information number
> (480-966-6211), explained what you wanted to do, and they said to
> call the Tempe City code compliance division (480-350-8372). I called
> them and got a recording explaining that they were recieving
> excessive call volumes, and to leave a message describing the
> complaint or nuisance, my number, and they would call me back.
>
> I'll post the answer I get when they call back.
>
> I'd rather call and know for sure, rather than risk a citation.
>
> No, I did not say WHEN you would be out there, or WHO wanted to go.
>
> Personally, I'm betting on citations for all who show. Remember: that
> also means points on your license, and higher insurance premiums.
>
> Anybody with outstanding warrants might want to pass . . .
>
> John Rabenius
>
>
>
>
>
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25239 From: Ray B. <kb7skv@c...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:17pm
Subject: Re: question?????
FWIW... The Auto-Zone in Coolidge is right next to an ex-Safeway parkinglot (lot is parking for a 'strip-mall' so open to use I would guess). Any-way, I'm sure something could be worked out. AND Bonus point...Coolidge is about half-way between Tucson, and Phoenix!! Whaddya think???
Just our two cents!!
Rick Hall wrote:
There once was a suggestion of a swap meet/maintenance type get together but I don't think they could find a place large enough. I think they were trying to get a Checker to allow us to use the parking lot in case parts were needed but with the number of members in this group it would never do. Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: Daddy Longlegs
To: Peter Zuleger ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] question?????
The largest I've seen is the first Tax Relief Run of 2000. There had to have been close to 65 Jeeps that day. Somewhere there are some groups pics. Anyone know where?
Scott
Peter Zuleger <azxjman@hotmail.com> wrote:
What was the largest number of members that ever showed for a event.
With over 600 members that would be a site to behold.
Peter
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25240 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:13pm
Subject: WAS Thursday wheeling NOW: CHILL out!
Ok, I am going to chime in on this one...
I think a few of you are a little too harsh on John. I have met John once
or twice, so I am not defending him because I know him. REMEMBER, THIS IS
MY OPINION......
John called just to *find out* what the legal limit was on this particular
subject...
> > >>
> > >> No, I did not say WHEN you would be out there, or
> > >> WHO wanted to go.
> > >>
Do you really think the cops are going to sit there now for a week to see
if anyone actually does it? Like Rick said, The cops are always 3-4
hours late anyway, so maybe if he said that they would be out there for
lunch, the cops MIGHT show up around 7:00 PM.
John was just going about it leaglly......
> > >>
> > >> I'd rather call and know for sure, rather than risk
> > >> a citation.
Hell, I can't afford a citation, higher insurance premiums, and another 2
nights at a damn driving class!
This is pretty damn funny to me!
> > >>
> > >> Anybody with outstanding warrants might want to pass
> > >>
So, John might have been bored at work, hell, I am bored 7 out of the 8
hours I am at work! What else is there to do? Flame people on the web
site because they want to screw around a little?
How bout make a few calls and try to help out fellow Jeepers so the cops
don't end up making $$ from us in citations, so we can put that $$ back
into our Jeeps!!! (and no this isn't a plug for John Hunter either :), but
I have heard he does good work)
OK, flame away at me, my delete key is ready!
John R. if you do get a response, let me know what it is.
--- jeepindog@y... wrote:
> Ha-ha ha, ha ha ha ha ha.... rolling on the ground, red-faced,
> can't type.... ha ha ha... Rick, you killed me with that one!
>
> Thanks, and I'm right there with you on that one...
>
> Lachlan
>
>
> In az_vjc@y..., Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...> wrote:
> > Gotta agree with Rick on this one. Now you've notified the Police
> that it
> > does happen and they will watch for it. This we don't need. Before
> now, they
> > probably had no idea it was happening.
> >
> > Chris k
> >
> > > From: Rick VH <rick_vh@y...>
> > >
> > > You gotta be kidding me! You had nothing better to do
> > > with your day than to call and wait on hold just to
> > > rat out other members in the jeep club? Especially
> > > when the Police have better things to attend to such
> > > as burglaries, murders, rapes, and armed robberies.
> > > Everytime i've tried to get the police to help me on
> > > something such as when my house was burglerized, or
> > > when my jeep was broken into, or the time someone hit
> > > a car of mine in front of my house and took off, or
> > > when i was creamed by some drunk on 7th st, it took
> > > several hours for them to respond, even then they
> > > couldnt do anything about it. You have to waste their
> > > time because someone just *might* go drive their jeep
> > > in some dirt in an empty parking lot. Did they give
> > > you a Junior Police officer badge so you can
> > > personally come down and hand out tickets?
> > >
> > > Next time you rat someone out, save yourself some time
> > > and let them know that the wiring on my brake light is
> > > suspect and intermittantly doesnt work. I also drove
> > > 10mph over the speed limit today, and last week a gas
> > > reciept blew out on the highway. Oh yea, i also didnt
> > > signal before turning into my driveway, I tore the
> > > label off my mattress, and left the cap off a felt tip
> > > pen last night too.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > rick
> > >
> > >
> > > --- johnrabenius@y... wrote:
> > >> OK,
> > >>
> > >> I called the city of Tempe Police department's
> > >> information number
> > >> (480-966-6211), explained what you wanted to do, and
> > >> they said to
> > >> call the Tempe City code compliance division
> > >> (480-350-8372). I called
> > >> them and got a recording explaining that they were
> > >> recieving
> > >> excessive call volumes, and to leave a message
> > >> describing the
> > >> complaint or nuisance, my number, and they would
> > >> call me back.
> > >>
> > >> I'll post the answer I get when they call back.
> > >>
> > >> I'd rather call and know for sure, rather than risk
> > >> a citation.
> > >>
> > >> No, I did not say WHEN you would be out there, or
> > >> WHO wanted to go.
> > >>
> > >> Personally, I'm betting on citations for all who
> > >> show. Remember: that
> > >> also means points on your license, and higher
> > >> insurance premiums.
> > >>
> > >> Anybody with outstanding warrants might want to pass
> > >> . . .
> > >>
> > >> John Rabenius
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25241 From: Ray B. <kb7skv@c...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:19pm
Subject: Re: Re: ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
DITTO!!!!!
jeeperaz@q... wrote:
> Rick.... that was classic! I agree, someone needs to lighten up.
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Rick VH <rick_vh@y...> wrote:
> > You gotta be kidding me! You had nothing better to do
> > with your day than to call and wait on hold just to
> > rat out other members in the jeep club? Especially
> > when the Police have better things to attend to such
> > as burglaries, murders, rapes, and armed robberies.
> > Everytime i've tried to get the police to help me on
> > something such as when my house was burglerized, or
> > when my jeep was broken into, or the time someone hit
> > a car of mine in front of my house and took off, or
> > when i was creamed by some drunk on 7th st, it took
> > several hours for them to respond, even then they
> > couldnt do anything about it. You have to waste their
> > time because someone just *might* go drive their jeep
> > in some dirt in an empty parking lot. Did they give
> > you a Junior Police officer badge so you can
> > personally come down and hand out tickets?
> >
> > Next time you rat someone out, save yourself some time
> > and let them know that the wiring on my brake light is
> > suspect and intermittantly doesnt work. I also drove
> > 10mph over the speed limit today, and last week a gas
> > reciept blew out on the highway. Oh yea, i also didnt
> > signal before turning into my driveway, I tore the
> > label off my mattress, and left the cap off a felt tip
> > pen last night too.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > rick
> >
> >
> > --- johnrabenius@y... wrote:
> > > OK,
> > >
> > > I called the city of Tempe Police department's
> > > information number
> > > (480-966-6211), explained what you wanted to do, and
> > > they said to
> > > call the Tempe City code compliance division
> > > (480-350-8372). I called
> > > them and got a recording explaining that they were
> > > recieving
> > > excessive call volumes, and to leave a message
> > > describing the
> > > complaint or nuisance, my number, and they would
> > > call me back.
> > >
> > > I'll post the answer I get when they call back.
> > >
> > > I'd rather call and know for sure, rather than risk
> > > a citation.
> > >
> > > No, I did not say WHEN you would be out there, or
> > > WHO wanted to go.
> > >
> > > Personally, I'm betting on citations for all who
> > > show. Remember: that
> > > also means points on your license, and higher
> > > insurance premiums.
> > >
> > > Anybody with outstanding warrants might want to pass
> > > . . .
> > >
> > > John Rabenius
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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25242 From: Eric Marble <emarble3@p...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:27pm
Subject: Re: Local Discounts
Speaking of discounts. There is a new fab shop in Tempe. Maverick offroad.
They can do about anything you want. Bumpers,rockguards, SOA, ect.
480-839-6203.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joey K" <joey@j...>
To: <jeepw99@m...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Local Discounts
> Or you can do what I do, ask if there is a club discount while you are
> shopping around.
> The club is getting to the size now that most truck, 4 wheel shops and
> retailers know or have heard of AzVJC. The smarter company's see the
> potential of giving a discount for the possibility of free advertisement
on
> this forum. Several members have posted good and bad experiences with
> business and believe it or not it has an impact on the company. Good and
> bad. I can tell you there are shops and dealers in the valley that I will
> not visit just because not one but several individuals have posted
negative
> experiences with them. On the positive side I have gotten good advice on
who
> has the deals and the better service for my business. So company's if you
> are reading this take heed the force is with us.
> IMO
> Joey K
> 93YJ
> www.desertjeep.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jeepw99@m... [mailto:jeepw99@m...]
> > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:31 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Local Discounts
> >
> >
> > I always hear of the businesses that give AZVJC club discounts but it
> > seems like it's always after I have purchased what I needed. Is
> > there somewhere that lists the local companies that give the club
> > discounts?
> >
> > Right now I'm just making note of each company as I read the posts.
> > I think this would be a good addition to the site.
> >
> > Just my .02
> >
> > Mark
> > 99TJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> >
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25243 From: RICK BEER <RIKNAZ@M...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:21pm
Subject: Fw: FW: Fwd: Fwd: Fwd[2]:Halloween costume
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Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 7:28 PM
To: Rick Biertempfel; David E. Dolinar; Shawn Kelly; Kevin P. Kuhns; Glenn Mack; Bill Schronz; Tom , Nicole Taylor; Glenn Wagner
Subject: Fwd: FW: Fwd: Fwd: Fwd[2]:Halloween costume
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25244 From: Joey K <joey@j...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:30pm
Subject: RE: WAS Thursday wheeling NOW: CHILL out!
I think he wrote it the wrong way. It looks to me like his intentions were
good but he should have waited till he got an answer before telling us. Then
he could have went one of two ways gave us the heads up that it is illegal
OR he could have told us that the Cops don't care and he'll be meetin' us
there.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 9:14 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] WAS Thursday wheeling NOW: CHILL out!
>
>
> Ok, I am going to chime in on this one...
>
> I think a few of you are a little too harsh on John. I have met John once
> or twice, so I am not defending him because I know him. REMEMBER, THIS IS
> MY OPINION......
>
> John called just to *find out* what the legal limit was on this particular
> subject...
> > > >>
> > > >> No, I did not say WHEN you would be out there, or
> > > >> WHO wanted to go.
> > > >>
> Do you really think the cops are going to sit there now for a week to see
> if anyone actually does it? Like Rick said, The cops are always 3-4
> hours late anyway, so maybe if he said that they would be out there for
> lunch, the cops MIGHT show up around 7:00 PM.
>
> John was just going about it leaglly......
> > > >>
> > > >> I'd rather call and know for sure, rather than risk
> > > >> a citation.
> Hell, I can't afford a citation, higher insurance premiums, and another 2
> nights at a damn driving class!
>
> This is pretty damn funny to me!
> > > >>
> > > >> Anybody with outstanding warrants might want to pass
> > > >>
>
> So, John might have been bored at work, hell, I am bored 7 out of the 8
> hours I am at work! What else is there to do? Flame people on the web
> site because they want to screw around a little?
> How bout make a few calls and try to help out fellow Jeepers so the cops
> don't end up making $$ from us in citations, so we can put that $$ back
> into our Jeeps!!! (and no this isn't a plug for John Hunter either :), but
> I have heard he does good work)
>
> OK, flame away at me, my delete key is ready!
>
> John R. if you do get a response, let me know what it is.
>
>
> --- jeepindog@y... wrote:
> > Ha-ha ha, ha ha ha ha ha.... rolling on the ground, red-faced,
> > can't type.... ha ha ha... Rick, you killed me with that one!
> >
> > Thanks, and I'm right there with you on that one...
> >
> > Lachlan
> >
> >
> > In az_vjc@y..., Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...> wrote:
> > > Gotta agree with Rick on this one. Now you've notified the Police
> > that it
> > > does happen and they will watch for it. This we don't need. Before
> > now, they
> > > probably had no idea it was happening.
> > >
> > > Chris k
> > >
> > > > From: Rick VH <rick_vh@y...>
> > > >
> > > > You gotta be kidding me! You had nothing better to do
> > > > with your day than to call and wait on hold just to
> > > > rat out other members in the jeep club? Especially
> > > > when the Police have better things to attend to such
> > > > as burglaries, murders, rapes, and armed robberies.
> > > > Everytime i've tried to get the police to help me on
> > > > something such as when my house was burglerized, or
> > > > when my jeep was broken into, or the time someone hit
> > > > a car of mine in front of my house and took off, or
> > > > when i was creamed by some drunk on 7th st, it took
> > > > several hours for them to respond, even then they
> > > > couldnt do anything about it. You have to waste their
> > > > time because someone just *might* go drive their jeep
> > > > in some dirt in an empty parking lot. Did they give
> > > > you a Junior Police officer badge so you can
> > > > personally come down and hand out tickets?
> > > >
> > > > Next time you rat someone out, save yourself some time
> > > > and let them know that the wiring on my brake light is
> > > > suspect and intermittantly doesnt work. I also drove
> > > > 10mph over the speed limit today, and last week a gas
> > > > reciept blew out on the highway. Oh yea, i also didnt
> > > > signal before turning into my driveway, I tore the
> > > > label off my mattress, and left the cap off a felt tip
> > > > pen last night too.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > rick
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- johnrabenius@y... wrote:
> > > >> OK,
> > > >>
> > > >> I called the city of Tempe Police department's
> > > >> information number
> > > >> (480-966-6211), explained what you wanted to do, and
> > > >> they said to
> > > >> call the Tempe City code compliance division
> > > >> (480-350-8372). I called
> > > >> them and got a recording explaining that they were
> > > >> recieving
> > > >> excessive call volumes, and to leave a message
> > > >> describing the
> > > >> complaint or nuisance, my number, and they would
> > > >> call me back.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'll post the answer I get when they call back.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'd rather call and know for sure, rather than risk
> > > >> a citation.
> > > >>
> > > >> No, I did not say WHEN you would be out there, or
> > > >> WHO wanted to go.
> > > >>
> > > >> Personally, I'm betting on citations for all who
> > > >> show. Remember: that
> > > >> also means points on your license, and higher
> > > >> insurance premiums.
> > > >>
> > > >> Anybody with outstanding warrants might want to pass
> > > >> . . .
> > > >>
> > > >> John Rabenius
>
>
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> 2001 TJ
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25245 From: Daddy Longlegs <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:51pm
Subject: RE: Very infromal Thurs. Night Run Here in town
Stu raises some great points. I don't think its appropriate either. This is what I expect out of a bunch of high schoolers, not the AZVJC. Its not that far out from Tempe to hit some real trails.
Scott
Stu Olson wrote:
This is not meant to be a flame.....just comments on the proposed idea.
Maybe I am just getting too old, but is 4 wheelin' in the middle of Tempe the kind of picture we want to give to everyone that lives in that area?
"And if they can dump, we can wheel." Because someone else may or may not have done something legal or illegal, that makes it OK for us to do something else? Sorry, but I think that statemetn lacks some fundamental logic.
I do know for certain that there are dust abatement (sp) laws in Maricopa County and that all cities and property owners have to abide by them. Even if you don't get cited for it, the property owner can and then you have stuck that individual with a fine (and yes, they are held responsible even though they had nothing to do with it). Is this the right thing to do?
I guess my point is pretty simple.....we, the off-road community, are under the gun from just about everyone except those who ride some kind of vehicle on a trail. Given all of the trails in Arizona, why wheel on a lot in the middle of Tempe? Will you be doing something that promotes are sport in the eyes of the public? Will your actions warm the hearts of those who are sitting on the fence, undecided....trying to figure out if they should choose "our side" or the greenies?
Like I said, this is not a flame.....just some questions that some folks might want to consider. From my view point, I can see nothing but the potential for trouble rising out of this.
thanks,
Stu
One last thought....if you do decide to go through with this, do me a favor and remove/cover the AZVJC sticker, if there is one on your Jeep. I hope the reason for this request is obvious.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com [mailto:hunteroffroad@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:31 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Very infromal Thurs. Night Run Here in town
Club,
OK Heres the deal. When your really really hungry, cold pizza tastes
good? Ok I dont get out much and I have the serious urge to wheel. Across
the street from me on Kyrene and Elliot is a very large field that has been
used for dumping dirt from personal pools. The area is like the size of a
very large parking lot of a very large grocery store. I have been out there a
few times and there are no signs. I do know the Tempe lets you sell your car
on the lot so they cant be to picky. And if they can dump, we can wheel.
While it may sound easy or a push over, but in reality, it can be
extremly hard. I guarantee you will flex your suspension harder here than
you ever will at Wood Pecker or Ajax. But the nice thing is, it is soft
dirt, no rocks to give you dents or break parts. Also, you can make your
line as hard as you want. Pick a direction and get silly. If you get stuck,
it it easy to Hilift or dig out. (Most of the times I go with my buggy, I
get stuck.
:::WHY:::
Cause I need to go wheeling and this is a good as it gets for me. I and I
dont like playing alone. Its weird not haveing anyone laughing at you when
you dig.
:::Time and Directions:::
Thursday Night June 13th, 7:00 PM
I plan on haveing dinner at the Sonic Drive-In across the street from the
field at about 7, then maybe head over for a couple of hours. There is also
AMPM Arco gas station lcoated right next door so you can get gas, or a place
to air up if you want. The Sonic and AMPM ar located on the North West
corner of Kyrene and Elloit.
:::The Plan:::
I know I have 3 people all ready planning on attending so hope fully this
would be a good crowd. (Hey, Thursday night TV is all reruns anways). The
plan, have some burgers and fries while sitting in my 4wd, have a couple of
hours of kick *** wheeling and fun, and still make it home in time to catch
the news and Jay Leno.
I tried to post this thru the web page but it didnt work. So please email
me back so I have an idea how many to expect. This field IS BIG, I can
easily see 20 to 30 jeeps out there playing and no one getting in someones
way.
See ya soon.
John K
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25246 From: Daddy Longlegs <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:51pm
Subject: RE: Very infromal Thurs. Night Run Here in town
Stu raises some great points. I don't think its appropriate either. This is what I expect out of a bunch of high schoolers, not the AZVJC. Its not that far out from Tempe to hit some real trails.
Scott
Stu Olson wrote:
This is not meant to be a flame.....just comments on the proposed idea.
Maybe I am just getting too old, but is 4 wheelin' in the middle of Tempe the kind of picture we want to give to everyone that lives in that area?
"And if they can dump, we can wheel." Because someone else may or may not have done something legal or illegal, that makes it OK for us to do something else? Sorry, but I think that statemetn lacks some fundamental logic.
I do know for certain that there are dust abatement (sp) laws in Maricopa County and that all cities and property owners have to abide by them. Even if you don't get cited for it, the property owner can and then you have stuck that individual with a fine (and yes, they are held responsible even though they had nothing to do with it). Is this the right thing to do?
I guess my point is pretty simple.....we, the off-road community, are under the gun from just about everyone except those who ride some kind of vehicle on a trail. Given all of the trails in Arizona, why wheel on a lot in the middle of Tempe? Will you be doing something that promotes are sport in the eyes of the public? Will your actions warm the hearts of those who are sitting on the fence, undecided....trying to figure out if they should choose "our side" or the greenies?
Like I said, this is not a flame.....just some questions that some folks might want to consider. From my view point, I can see nothing but the potential for trouble rising out of this.
thanks,
Stu
One last thought....if you do decide to go through with this, do me a favor and remove/cover the AZVJC sticker, if there is one on your Jeep. I hope the reason for this request is obvious.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com [mailto:hunteroffroad@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:31 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Very infromal Thurs. Night Run Here in town
Club,
OK Heres the deal. When your really really hungry, cold pizza tastes
good? Ok I dont get out much and I have the serious urge to wheel. Across
the street from me on Kyrene and Elliot is a very large field that has been
used for dumping dirt from personal pools. The area is like the size of a
very large parking lot of a very large grocery store. I have been out there a
few times and there are no signs. I do know the Tempe lets you sell your car
on the lot so they cant be to picky. And if they can dump, we can wheel.
While it may sound easy or a push over, but in reality, it can be
extremly hard. I guarantee you will flex your suspension harder here than
you ever will at Wood Pecker or Ajax. But the nice thing is, it is soft
dirt, no rocks to give you dents or break parts. Also, you can make your
line as hard as you want. Pick a direction and get silly. If you get stuck,
it it easy to Hilift or dig out. (Most of the times I go with my buggy, I
get stuck.
:::WHY:::
Cause I need to go wheeling and this is a good as it gets for me. I and I
dont like playing alone. Its weird not haveing anyone laughing at you when
you dig.
:::Time and Directions:::
Thursday Night June 13th, 7:00 PM
I plan on haveing dinner at the Sonic Drive-In across the street from the
field at about 7, then maybe head over for a couple of hours. There is also
AMPM Arco gas station lcoated right next door so you can get gas, or a place
to air up if you want. The Sonic and AMPM ar located on the North West
corner of Kyrene and Elloit.
:::The Plan:::
I know I have 3 people all ready planning on attending so hope fully this
would be a good crowd. (Hey, Thursday night TV is all reruns anways). The
plan, have some burgers and fries while sitting in my 4wd, have a couple of
hours of kick *** wheeling and fun, and still make it home in time to catch
the news and Jay Leno.
I tried to post this thru the web page but it didnt work. So please email
me back so I have an idea how many to expect. This field IS BIG, I can
easily see 20 to 30 jeeps out there playing and no one getting in someones
way.
See ya soon.
John K
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25247 From: Daddy Longlegs <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:54pm
Subject: Re: Need phone number
Mike,
Their shop number is:
(602) 749-0588
Scott
Mike Baney wrote:
Anyone have the phone number for OR-Fab?
I looked in the database at yahoo groups, but it is not in there, or I am
just blind:)
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25248 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 10:09pm
Subject: Re: ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
I've heard that somewhere before...but I have to agree! A little AR.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joey K" <joey@j...>
To: <johnrabenius@y...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
> Horse****!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: johnrabenius@y... [mailto:johnrabenius@y...]
> > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:50 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
> >
> >
> > OK,
> >
> > I called the city of Tempe Police department's information number
> > (480-966-6211), explained what you wanted to do, and they said to
> > call the Tempe City code compliance division (480-350-8372). I called
> > them and got a recording explaining that they were recieving
> > excessive call volumes, and to leave a message describing the
> > complaint or nuisance, my number, and they would call me back.
> >
> > I'll post the answer I get when they call back.
> >
> > I'd rather call and know for sure, rather than risk a citation.
> >
> > No, I did not say WHEN you would be out there, or WHO wanted to go.
> >
> > Personally, I'm betting on citations for all who show. Remember: that
> > also means points on your license, and higher insurance premiums.
> >
> > Anybody with outstanding warrants might want to pass . . .
> >
> > John Rabenius
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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25249 From: Daddy Longlegs <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 10:07pm
Subject: Re: BFG vs GY MT's
Okay I have to clarify something here. The original "slipping off the rocks" statement was made by either Ross or Bill M or both. Anyway the point was basically a comparison of the side lugs on the Swamper SX to the MT/R. It's obvious that the SX has the most aggressive side lugs out there. It was in reference to using the sidewall lugs to bite into a vertical surface and carry you up it on the rockface on the sidewall lugs alone. I've only seen the SX do this. A BFG, MT/R, Pro Comp or any other tire including the Swamper TSL radial and SSR could never be expected to do what was discussed in this scenario. I've witnessed it with the SX's first hand and driven on many 4+ trails on my MT/R's. Next to the Swamper SX you can't find a better offroad tire. Of course other than the Swamper Bogger you couldn't find a worse onroad tire than the SX. Apples and oranges folks. The MT/R is the best compromise out there for dual use.
When I finally get my trailer this summer and begin towing the TJ to runs you can bet that there will be a set of SX's on my TJ within months. Of course I will also keep the MT/R's in the garage for when I don't use the trailer or go play in the snow.
Scott Kruize
Mike Baney wrote:
Ok, I know you are looking for MT's, and here is my experiance with BFG
and Pro Comp MT's.
My first set of tires on my old Jeep was the 32x11.50 BFG MT's. They
seemed like they did not wear at all! BUT, they were not *sticky* on the
rocks. I now have the Pro Comp MT's, and they stick real nice, and the
sidewall is great so far. I ran Predator Saturday night, down to 11 psi,
and the tires were awsome. I have been very impressed with them, and they
are cheaper than BFG's. They do seam to wear a little quicker than the
BFG's. As far as GY MT's, I have heard they are great but do have a
problem slipping off rocks. I don't have the experiance with them, only
what I read from fellow members.
Oy ya, on road, the pro comps are really nice. They have that nice hum,
but they do not wonder, and thats with both sways disco'd!
--- "Chris R." wrote:
> Ok, still comparing tires. Can anyone give me some insight as to the
> benefits that make either of these tires better than the other? Is it
> really worth the cost of one over the other?
>
> Please include performance on and off road.
>
> Chris
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25250 From: Daddy Longlegs <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 10:24pm
Subject: Re: How much Vibe before Mods Required
Rick,
After owning a YJ for 4 years and the TJ for 2 years I think I might have an opinion on this ;)
I think any amount of driveline vibe should try to solved. You'd be surprised at how short a life ujoints and bearings have when you don't deal with the problem and let it slide. My rear CV just about came apart on the TJ one night because I was too lazy to keep playing with the CV angle until I got it just right. I could literally move it back and forth with about an inch of play in it. I only ran it with vibes for a few months. Honest. I also got lazy and kept ignoring the vibes from the front driveshaft. I know I should have gotten that new Tom Wood driveshaft sooner (or least gotten the stock one balanced) but I kept putting it off. Well by the time I got the new shaft the front output seal on the tcase was leaking and the bearing was making noise. I had to drop the tcase and split it open to replace that bearing. What a major PITA and it could have been prevented. Now I wonder how much life is left in the pinion bearings and the rear output bearing. Who knows!
Anyway I think its best to resolve this. If you don't have lifted motor mounts now is the time to give that a try. You can also try the cam bolt kit on the upper rear arms but this isn't nearly as effective as the MM lift or the adjustable rear arms. Maybe you only need a washer or two to space the crossmember down a bit. If your not sure let me know. I'd be happy to help you work through it. Heck, I might even be willing to get my hands dirty too :)
Scott Kruize
Rick Hall wrote:
I spoke to soon on that 3" lift. I have a noticiable vibe between 20 and 25 mph. Not shaking the Jeep apart or anything but it's there. How much is bad? I normally blow through that speed pretty quick but I don't what abnormal wear (it is my daily ride).
Rick
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25251 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 6:29pm
Subject: ::OT::WHOA! HOLD ON About Thursday Night.....
This whole idea was supposed to be for fun. The last thng I wanted was to
piss somebody or, worse, start a fight among the group. I thought it would
be fun. My thoughts were, "Hmm.. Get some burgers, and some fries, do a
little wheeling for an hour or two, and swap some stories." This is not, a
beer fest, or shoot your guns or race around and play tag with the jeeps.
Just some playin on the dirt hills with our 4x4s. THATS IT.
I DID NOT, nor did I WANT this to turn into such bull#$@%. I dont know
about you people, but between my shop, trying to pay an employee, keep the
IRS off my back, pay a landlord, keep a grilfreind happy, keep a business
running, and trying to keep both of my POS 4x4 running, I all ready have
enough drama in my life thank you. And I imagine everyone else in the club
has their own problems to deal with, kids, mortage, IRS, etc,etc, and there
jobs. The last thing we need is more drama. I think we can all agree on that
I plan on going, I have been there dozens of times myself, it is my
little play area, Sad thats all I have time for, but I will take it.
PLEASE, let the issue drop. If you want to come, great. Yes, I will enjoy
the company, wheeling by yourself sucks. If you have a probelm with it well,
Im truly sorry, offending people was the last thing on my mind. We will be
on a or best behavoir. Promise. I dont want to lose my favorite place to
wheel any more than other poeple are worried about our club getting a bad
rap. So before this gets any worse... let it go. We are all grown ups, we
can do what we want and take the heat if we start a fire. But we dont need
to divide the club like this. Not on something so trival.
If you still need to voice your opionin about what I want to do, or if
you have a personal a problem with me, or even the poeple going. Please
flame personaly, and spare evrybody else the drama and save the space for
tires, dents, lifts, lockers.....
Again, I deeply apologize for the trouble.
Sincerly,
John Kanicsar
25252 From: <johnrabenius@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 11:11pm
Subject: I did ask you to READ . . .
. . . but I guess most of you didn't.
I wanted to know if it was legal or not, as Mike pointed out (thanks,
Mike!). If you have a question about something, don't make up your
own answers, they may not hold up in court.
I also said that:
1. I did not give my last name
2. WHERE the event would happen
3. WHEN the event would happen
4. WHO would attend.
I will still post the answer I get, and if you don't want to know,
don't read my post for the answer.
================================================== ====================
. . . and for those of you who jumped all over me, I have this to say
to you: (in the wicked witch voice)
"I'll get you, my little pretty, and your little dog, too!" :)
================================================== ====================
John "It never hurts to ask" Rabenius
25253 From: Daddy Longlegs <osmtj@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 11:21pm
Subject: Re: New Product: TJ flares for YJs
Hmmm,
I once owned a YJ and when I look at my TJ flares I can see that not only is the flare larger but the sheetmetal opening is too. Most TJ on YJ flare conversions are done because the owner wants a larger wheel opening and has to use a sawzall to accomodate the bigger flares. Before I got the TJ I looked into this mod too. But as far as a trail Jeep goes these new look alike flares are for the posers. Whats the point if you are not making more room for bigger tires?
My 2 cents for now,
Scott
Chris Krieg wrote:
While they won't help me, I've seen numerous posts from YJ owners looking
for TJ flares and then instructions on how to mount them on the YJ.
I just got my new Quadratec catalog and they are now selling TJ style flares
that are a direct fit on YJs. They mount with existing screws and holes
They are made by Xenon
Just FYI
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25254 From: UF RULZ <scoopman_2000@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 11:56pm
Subject: Re: ** PLEASE READ ** Thursday wheeling in Tempe
Hehe....here's a virtual hi-five from me to you on
that one Rick.
Aaron
99TJ
--- Rick VH <rick_vh@y...> wrote:
> You gotta be kidding me! You had nothing better to
> do
> with your day than to call and wait on hold just to
> rat out other members in the jeep club? Especially
> when the Police have better things to attend to such
> as burglaries, murders, rapes, and armed robberies.
> Everytime i've tried to get the police to help me on
> something such as when my house was burglerized, or
> when my jeep was broken into, or the time someone
> hit
> a car of mine in front of my house and took off, or
> when i was creamed by some drunk on 7th st, it took
> several hours for them to respond, even then they
> couldnt do anything about it. You have to waste
> their
> time because someone just *might* go drive their
> jeep
> in some dirt in an empty parking lot. Did they give
> you a Junior Police officer badge so you can
> personally come down and hand out tickets?
>
> Next time you rat someone out, save yourself some
> time
> and let them know that the wiring on my brake light
> is
> suspect and intermittantly doesnt work. I also
> drove
> 10mph over the speed limit today, and last week a
> gas
> reciept blew out on the highway. Oh yea, i also
> didnt
> signal before turning into my driveway, I tore the
> label off my mattress, and left the cap off a felt
> tip
> pen last night too.
>
> Thanks,
>
> rick
>
>
> --- johnrabenius@y... wrote:
> > OK,
> >
> > I called the city of Tempe Police department's
> > information number
> > (480-966-6211), explained what you wanted to do,
> and
> > they said to
> > call the Tempe City code compliance division
> > (480-350-8372). I called
> > them and got a recording explaining that they were
> > recieving
> > excessive call volumes, and to leave a message
> > describing the
> > complaint or nuisance, my number, and they would
> > call me back.
> >
> > I'll post the answer I get when they call back.
> >
> > I'd rather call and know for sure, rather than
> risk
> > a citation.
> >
> > No, I did not say WHEN you would be out there, or
> > WHO wanted to go.
> >
> > Personally, I'm betting on citations for all who
> > show. Remember: that
> > also means points on your license, and higher
> > insurance premiums.
> >
> > Anybody with outstanding warrants might want to
> pass
> > . . .
> >
> > John Rabenius
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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