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25180 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 8:13am
Subject: Re: Radiators for a TJ
Hawkes radiator in Mesa sells GDI radiators for the TJ. They have an AZVJC
discount as well.
Chris K
> From: Rick VH <rick_vh@y...>
> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 04:47:57 -0700 (PDT)
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Radiators for a TJ
>
> Well it looks like I figured out why my TJ has been
> overheating. At first thought it was the thermostat
> since I never had a problem with it until this year.
> It always ran about 210 degrees day or night any speed
> or stuck in traffic. Lately its been overheating on
> and off, mostly on the highway. Well anyhow, to make
> an already long story somewhat shorter, the bottom
> part of the HIGH QUALITY OEM radiator has produced a
> big crack in it and started shooting out green blood
> all over a parking spot today.
>
> I have my ripoff extended warranty that i could take
> it to the dealer and get another plastic one for
> probably $700 after the 3rd party warranty company
> refuses my claim. But I think it would be a better
> idea to see if i can pickup a 3 core replacement for a
> decent price. Has anyone else found a decent radiator
> short of a custom made Griffen for their TJ? I was
> looking around for a GDI but only saw them available
> for an XJ.
>
> TIA,
>
> rick van hazel
>
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25181 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 8:27am
Subject: RE: another new guy
Joey K. you sound like you are talking from experience...LOL.
Hey how much per tire did you get your MT's for at Discount? If you don't
mind me asking.
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
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On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 14:46:43 -0700, Joey K wrote:
> This is the club you have been looking for. Welcome
> Looks like you have a capable rig.
> You just need the spare. Flats can happen anywhere. (recommendation)
> If you want instead of tow hooks you could put a clevis/shackle in the
rear
> receiver. Just a thought.
> See you on the trail.
> Joey K
> www.desertjeep.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe [mailto:joemik@m...]
> > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 2:21 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] another new guy
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone! I stumbled across this group a few days ago and just
> > had to join. I've been looking for folks in AZ to do some serious
> > wheelin' with since I bought my TJ a few years ago. Looks like I
> > finally found that group!
> >
> > About my rig:
> > '99 TJ Sport, Chili-Pepper Red w/black soft-top
> > Rear: Dana 44 (w/Trac-Lok and 3.73 gears)
> > Front: not sure if it's a 30 or 35c
> > 4" Trailmaster lift
> > 33x12.50x15 BFG All-Terrains
> > 15x8 American Racing Python wheels (2 shiny, 2 not)
> > Trailmaster Steering Stabilizer
> > pre-runner and 2" receiver bumper from fly-n-hi
> > nerf bars
> > front tow-hooks
> >
> > I look forward to running some of the trails with the AZVJC. Sounds
> > like just the group I've been looking for! I know there's a few mods
> > I need before I'm ready to participate in an organized run (rear tow
> > hooks and a full size spare for starters), but now that I found a
> > local group, I've got all the incentive I need.
> >
> > See ya soon,
> > -jm
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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25182 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 8:35am
Subject: Need phone number
Anyone have the phone number for OR-Fab?
I looked in the database at yahoo groups, but it is not in there, or I am
just blind:)
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25183 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 8:37am
Subject: Re: The Cherokee lives on...and other Jeep branded strollers
If you go to Walmart they have one of those bouncy things (you put on a
table or floor and put the child in and they move it kind of bounces)
anyway, it has the same little steering wheel and has the Jeep logo on it.
My wife pointed it out to me over the weekend.
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
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'97 TJ
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On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 17:40:31 -0700 (PDT), Daddy Longlegs wrote:
>
> http://azcentral.com/rep/style/articles/0606kidsjeep.html
>
> I was surprised to come across this today. I thought some of you would
find it amusing. Of course I already hate the 4 wheel independent suspension
<Grin>
>
>
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> Proud owner of "Daddy Longlegs"
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25184 From: Jesus Chio - AllOffRoad <jchio@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 10:44pm
Subject: Re: Need phone number
http://www.alloffroad.com/issue/2001/june/contents/carrier.htm
Company: O-R Fab
Website: www.o-rfab.com
Phone number: 602-749-0588
Installation Time: 3 hours
Jesus Chio
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Vice-President : www.OffRoadImage.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Baney" <jeepin_in_az@y...>
To: "Jeep List" <>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 8:35 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Need phone number
> Anyone have the phone number for OR-Fab?
>
> I looked in the database at yahoo groups, but it is not in there, or I am
> just blind:)
>
> =====
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> 2001 TJ
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25185 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 8:51am
Subject: RE: Boggers vs TSL SX's
I have a set of 35 15.5 TSL SXs on my CJ and although I do not drive my CJ every day I do drive it two top three times a week on the street. I have had my swampers for 7 years and need to replace them only because they are dry rotting.
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Legge [mailto:scottlegge@home.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 11:35 PM
To: AZVJC
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Boggers vs TSL SX's
You are the first person I have ever heard say they ride better on the street. I personally have no experience w/ interco's tire line but have heard they wear like pencil erasers. If I am way off base please correct me :)
Scott Legge
----- Original Message -----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com
To: MudBogr@aol.com ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Boggers vs TSL SX's
I also know a few that run Boggers,and quite a few that did. Alot of them
had the explanation that the Boggers "paddle"design, allowed for the tire to
slip on the rock, left to right. I have seen this happen with my own eyes.
Swampers are more prefered tires on the trail. Plus they ride much better on
the street.
John K
Hunter
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25186 From: JEEP THANG <jeep_thang@h...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:12am
Subject: LU: BLM Meeting Question
Does anybody have directions to the BLM Meeting in Tucson Tomorrow
Night, And What Time , I was able to free up some time. And is the
General Rule to Wear a red shirt, I am also getting two other Jeepers
to go with us, possibly even three. Well anyway we will wear red
shirts regardless. Any info would be appreciated.
Oh Yeah my Dad is going to paint my Jeep with some anti Scratch clear
coat, anybody ever hear of this, I guess it is really expensive,
thank god I only have to pay for materials and help.
Sincerely: JEEP THANG
25187 From: <mike.chatfield@p...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:36am
Subject: Re: dumb newbie question...
From the AzVJC website, select "Message Archive" from the contents
menu. You may be required to log into Yahoo to see it.
- Mike
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Legge" <scottlegge@h...> wrote:
> Are there archives posted on the net anywhere? I looked on the
website
> before asking but didn't see anything I am sure there is a way to
do it
> through the yahoo list server but have been unable to see. TIA
>
> Scott Legge
25188 From: Gary MacLaren <gmaclaren@c...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:43am
Subject: Fw: ASK BUSH TO RESTORE ACCESS IN N. CALIFORNIA
-----Original Message-----
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Date: Monday, June 11, 2001 9:36 AM
Subject: ASK BUSH TO RESTORE ACCESS IN N. CALIFORNIA
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Please send President Bush a letter asking him to restore access to the town
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25189 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 10:27am
Subject: SkyJacker front track bar
For those people who are running the Sky Jacker front adjustable track
bar, where did you pick it up at?
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2001 TJ
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25190 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 7:30am
Subject: Very infromal Thurs. Night Run Here in town
Club,
OK Heres the deal. When your really really hungry, cold pizza tastes
good? Ok I dont get out much and I have the serious urge to wheel. Across
the street from me on Kyrene and Elliot is a very large field that has been
used for dumping dirt from personal pools. The area is like the size of a
very large parking lot of a very large grocery store. I have been out there a
few times and there are no signs. I do know the Tempe lets you sell your car
on the lot so they cant be to picky. And if they can dump, we can wheel.
While it may sound easy or a push over, but in reality, it can be
extremly hard. I guarantee you will flex your suspension harder here than
you ever will at Wood Pecker or Ajax. But the nice thing is, it is soft
dirt, no rocks to give you dents or break parts. Also, you can make your
line as hard as you want. Pick a direction and get silly. If you get stuck,
it it easy to Hilift or dig out. (Most of the times I go with my buggy, I
get stuck.
:::WHY:::
Cause I need to go wheeling and this is a good as it gets for me. I and I
dont like playing alone. Its weird not haveing anyone laughing at you when
you dig.
:::Time and Directions:::
Thursday Night June 13th, 7:00 PM
I plan on haveing dinner at the Sonic Drive-In across the street from the
field at about 7, then maybe head over for a couple of hours. There is also
AMPM Arco gas station lcoated right next door so you can get gas, or a place
to air up if you want. The Sonic and AMPM ar located on the North West
corner of Kyrene and Elloit.
:::The Plan:::
I know I have 3 people all ready planning on attending so hope fully this
would be a good crowd. (Hey, Thursday night TV is all reruns anways). The
plan, have some burgers and fries while sitting in my 4wd, have a couple of
hours of kick *** wheeling and fun, and still make it home in time to catch
the news and Jay Leno.
I tried to post this thru the web page but it didnt work. So please email
me back so I have an idea how many to expect. This field IS BIG, I can
easily see 20 to 30 jeeps out there playing and no one getting in someones
way.
See ya soon.
John K
25191 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 11:38am
Subject: Re: Very infromal Thurs. Night Run Here in town
I might be able to make it, if I can find a spare tire by then.
Be prepared to get chastised by the guys in the club that think this
will make jeeps and our club look bad to all the non-jeepers that
already think we tear up the land and may see us out there! =)
Personally, I don't care, we can't do any more damage than the
developers do building houses all the way up the sides of mountains.
--- In az_vjc@y..., hunteroffroad@a... wrote:
> Club,
> OK Heres the deal. When your really really hungry, cold pizza
tastes
> good? Ok I dont get out much and I have the serious urge to
wheel. Across
> the street from me on Kyrene and Elliot is a very large field that
has been
> used for dumping dirt from personal pools. The area is like the
size of a
> very large parking lot of a very large grocery store. I have been
out there a
> few times and there are no signs. I do know the Tempe lets you
sell your car
> on the lot so they cant be to picky. And if they can dump, we can
wheel.
> While it may sound easy or a push over, but in reality, it can
be
> extremly hard. I guarantee you will flex your suspension harder
here than
> you ever will at Wood Pecker or Ajax. But the nice thing is, it
is soft
> dirt, no rocks to give you dents or break parts. Also, you can
make your
> line as hard as you want. Pick a direction and get silly. If you
get stuck,
> it it easy to Hilift or dig out. (Most of the times I go with my
buggy, I
> get stuck.
>
>
> :::WHY:::
> Cause I need to go wheeling and this is a good as it gets for me.
I and I
> dont like playing alone. Its weird not haveing anyone laughing at
you when
> you dig.
>
> :::Time and Directions:::
> Thursday Night June 13th, 7:00 PM
> I plan on haveing dinner at the Sonic Drive-In across the street
from the
> field at about 7, then maybe head over for a couple of hours. There
is also
> AMPM Arco gas station lcoated right next door so you can get gas,
or a place
> to air up if you want. The Sonic and AMPM ar located on the North
West
> corner of Kyrene and Elloit.
>
> :::The Plan:::
> I know I have 3 people all ready planning on attending so hope
fully this
> would be a good crowd. (Hey, Thursday night TV is all reruns
anways). The
> plan, have some burgers and fries while sitting in my 4wd, have a
couple of
> hours of kick *** wheeling and fun, and still make it home in time
to catch
> the news and Jay Leno.
>
> I tried to post this thru the web page but it didnt work. So
please email
> me back so I have an idea how many to expect. This field IS BIG,
I can
> easily see 20 to 30 jeeps out there playing and no one getting in
someones
> way.
>
> See ya soon.
> John K
25192 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 0:18pm
Subject: Boggers vs TSL SX's....cont.
While we are on the topic (for once), has anyone heard if Interco may
be making the SX in a 33-12.5 or 34-12.5 size anytime soon? I want
to run them because of the sidewall protection, but my drivetrain
cannot take the 15.5" width of the current 33 nor the 36" height of
the current 12.5 offered in the SX?
Basically to run a TSL, I'm stuck with the crappy sidewall of the
regular TSL because of size avail.
Do the Bogger and the SX share the same sidewall construction? It
looks like it does from pictures, but I'm wondering if anyone here
had any real world experience?
Thanks,
Dan
2000 TJ(learning the hard way from the mistake of not buying tires
with replacment warranty)
25193 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 0:48pm
Subject: BFG vs GY MT's
Ok, still comparing tires. Can anyone give me some insight as to the
benefits that make either of these tires better than the other? Is it
really worth the cost of one over the other?
Please include performance on and off road.
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
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25194 From: Nick Notestine <nnote@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 1:08pm
Subject: Re: Very infromal Thurs. Night Run Here in town
The only problems you could have is if the person who owns the land wants you off, and they are probably some big corporation out of state anyways. On the other hand the if you got injured you could sue the person who owns the land and the police may ask you to leave because of that. I don't think it will happen though and if so you just drive off, is nada.
I wheel at the Dobson and Elliot lot after rain and it's great fun!
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:30 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Very infromal Thurs. Night Run Here in town
Club,
OK Heres the deal. When your really really hungry, cold pizza tastes
good? Ok I dont get out much and I have the serious urge to wheel. Across
the street from me on Kyrene and Elliot is a very large field that has been
used for dumping dirt from personal pools. The area is like the size of a
very large parking lot of a very large grocery store. I have been out there a
few times and there are no signs. I do know the Tempe lets you sell your car
on the lot so they cant be to picky. And if they can dump, we can wheel.
While it may sound easy or a push over, but in reality, it can be
extremly hard. I guarantee you will flex your suspension harder here than
you ever will at Wood Pecker or Ajax. But the nice thing is, it is soft
dirt, no rocks to give you dents or break parts. Also, you can make your
line as hard as you want. Pick a direction and get silly. If you get stuck,
it it easy to Hilift or dig out. (Most of the times I go with my buggy, I
get stuck.
:::WHY:::
Cause I need to go wheeling and this is a good as it gets for me. I and I
dont like playing alone. Its weird not haveing anyone laughing at you when
you dig.
:::Time and Directions:::
Thursday Night June 13th, 7:00 PM
I plan on haveing dinner at the Sonic Drive-In across the street from the
field at about 7, then maybe head over for a couple of hours. There is also
AMPM Arco gas station lcoated right next door so you can get gas, or a place
to air up if you want. The Sonic and AMPM ar located on the North West
corner of Kyrene and Elloit.
:::The Plan:::
I know I have 3 people all ready planning on attending so hope fully this
would be a good crowd. (Hey, Thursday night TV is all reruns anways). The
plan, have some burgers and fries while sitting in my 4wd, have a couple of
hours of kick *** wheeling and fun, and still make it home in time to catch
the news and Jay Leno.
I tried to post this thru the web page but it didnt work. So please email
me back so I have an idea how many to expect. This field IS BIG, I can
easily see 20 to 30 jeeps out there playing and no one getting in someones
way.
See ya soon.
John K
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25195 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 1:38pm
Subject: RE: Very infromal Thurs. Night Run Here in town
This is not meant to be a flame.....just comments on the proposed idea.
Maybe I am just getting too old, but is 4 wheelin' in the middle of Tempe the kind of picture we want to give to everyone that lives in that area?
"And if they can dump, we can wheel." Because someone else may or may not have done something legal or illegal, that makes it OK for us to do something else? Sorry, but I think that statemetn lacks some fundamental logic.
I do know for certain that there are dust abatement (sp) laws in Maricopa County and that all cities and property owners have to abide by them. Even if you don't get cited for it, the property owner can and then you have stuck that individual with a fine (and yes, they are held responsible even though they had nothing to do with it). Is this the right thing to do?
I guess my point is pretty simple.....we, the off-road community, are under the gun from just about everyone except those who ride some kind of vehicle on a trail. Given all of the trails in Arizona, why wheel on a lot in the middle of Tempe? Will you be doing something that promotes are sport in the eyes of the public? Will your actions warm the hearts of those who are sitting on the fence, undecided....trying to figure out if they should choose "our side" or the greenies?
Like I said, this is not a flame.....just some questions that some folks might want to consider. From my view point, I can see nothing but the potential for trouble rising out of this.
thanks,
Stu
One last thought....if you do decide to go through with this, do me a favor and remove/cover the AZVJC sticker, if there is one on your Jeep. I hope the reason for this request is obvious.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com [mailto:hunteroffroad@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:31 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Very infromal Thurs. Night Run Here in town
Club,
OK Heres the deal. When your really really hungry, cold pizza tastes
good? Ok I dont get out much and I have the serious urge to wheel. Across
the street from me on Kyrene and Elliot is a very large field that has been
used for dumping dirt from personal pools. The area is like the size of a
very large parking lot of a very large grocery store. I have been out there a
few times and there are no signs. I do know the Tempe lets you sell your car
on the lot so they cant be to picky. And if they can dump, we can wheel.
While it may sound easy or a push over, but in reality, it can be
extremly hard. I guarantee you will flex your suspension harder here than
you ever will at Wood Pecker or Ajax. But the nice thing is, it is soft
dirt, no rocks to give you dents or break parts. Also, you can make your
line as hard as you want. Pick a direction and get silly. If you get stuck,
it it easy to Hilift or dig out. (Most of the times I go with my buggy, I
get stuck.
:::WHY:::
Cause I need to go wheeling and this is a good as it gets for me. I and I
dont like playing alone. Its weird not haveing anyone laughing at you when
you dig.
:::Time and Directions:::
Thursday Night June 13th, 7:00 PM
I plan on haveing dinner at the Sonic Drive-In across the street from the
field at about 7, then maybe head over for a couple of hours. There is also
AMPM Arco gas station lcoated right next door so you can get gas, or a place
to air up if you want. The Sonic and AMPM ar located on the North West
corner of Kyrene and Elloit.
:::The Plan:::
I know I have 3 people all ready planning on attending so hope fully this
would be a good crowd. (Hey, Thursday night TV is all reruns anways). The
plan, have some burgers and fries while sitting in my 4wd, have a couple of
hours of kick *** wheeling and fun, and still make it home in time to catch
the news and Jay Leno.
I tried to post this thru the web page but it didnt work. So please email
me back so I have an idea how many to expect. This field IS BIG, I can
easily see 20 to 30 jeeps out there playing and no one getting in someones
way.
See ya soon.
John K
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25196 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 1:40pm
Subject: Re: BFG vs GY MT's
Ok, I know you are looking for MT's, and here is my experiance with BFG
and Pro Comp MT's.
My first set of tires on my old Jeep was the 32x11.50 BFG MT's. They
seemed like they did not wear at all! BUT, they were not *sticky* on the
rocks. I now have the Pro Comp MT's, and they stick real nice, and the
sidewall is great so far. I ran Predator Saturday night, down to 11 psi,
and the tires were awsome. I have been very impressed with them, and they
are cheaper than BFG's. They do seam to wear a little quicker than the
BFG's. As far as GY MT's, I have heard they are great but do have a
problem slipping off rocks. I don't have the experiance with them, only
what I read from fellow members.
Oy ya, on road, the pro comps are really nice. They have that nice hum,
but they do not wonder, and thats with both sways disco'd!
--- "Chris R." <my1stjeep@e...> wrote:
> Ok, still comparing tires. Can anyone give me some insight as to the
> benefits that make either of these tires better than the other? Is it
> really worth the cost of one over the other?
>
> Please include performance on and off road.
>
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25197 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 1:41pm
Subject: Re: Very infromal Thurs. Night Run Here in town
Isn't Dobson and Elliot under construction with a Baliys gym or
something??
(Behind Mobil, right?)
--- Nick Notestine <nnote@a...> wrote:
> The only problems you could have is if the person who owns the land
> wants you off, and they are probably some big corporation out of state
> anyways. On the other hand the if you got injured you could sue the
> person who owns the land and the police may ask you to leave because of
> that. I don't think it will happen though and if so you just drive off,
> is nada.
> I wheel at the Dobson and Elliot lot after rain and it's great fun!
> Nick
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25198 From: <azmeyer@g...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 1:50pm
Subject: Winch Basics, Tugging, Towing, & Yanking
Last weekend's trip made me realize how unprepared I am to receive,
or give, the "strap".
Is there any chance that how to safely use a winch, how to safely
tug, and how to safely tow an OHV could be taught/demonstrated/tried
during next Saturday's trip at the White Tanks. I would also
appreciate some discussion on what type of attachment points to use
(pros/cons).
Are there some members that would make themselves available so a
newbie like me could see it demonstrated. I've read some about the
subject(also done some really stupid things), but there is nothing
like hands-on with folks who know how to do it safely.
25199 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 10:34am
Subject: Getting Flamed::::: Very infromal Thurs. Night Run Here in town
Well,
The sun hasn't set yet and I am getting flamed beyond well done. Fine,
there have been good points brought up by alot of people. So I hope this
helps.
By 7 o clok the traffic by this place is dead. We will be far enough away
from the road that chances are no one will see us. Yes there is a dust
issue, I was going to talk to the people about at the Sonic, just drive slow
and no horsepower display. There are no houses are resdiential areas for
atleast a mile and half. The section of land we will in is
buiness/commericial zoned so all the rules that apply resdential go out the
window. (Yes I know about those rules, because my shop is in a Businees
district). And no this isnt some small lot between two strip malls, this a 1
mile by 2 mile section of land. Ok the middle of Tempe was a bit much. It
is on the very edge.
The most the police can do is tell us to leave. If they even care. Judgeing
by the amount of dumping that has occurred here,I doubt they do. I have gone
out there myself at night many times after I get home from work, and I have
never had a probelm. I would agree that if 30 jeeps showed up it might be
probem, but some how I dont see that happening.
John Kanicsar
P.S. I dont have a sticker, nor do I have a jeep,so dont worry about it, and
it will be dark so no one will see anyone else's. If we get caught I will
tell them we are from the Seirra Club takeing dirt samples. Hope to see some
of you out there.
25200 From: Felix and Kerry Santi <fes@u...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 2:34pm
Subject: Talked to a Sierra Club type today
Well folks, my friend the "save ___ from people" member (oh, just
fill in the blanks with something thats alive, well, doesn't have to
be alive just in the dictionary)" has won me over. Now I want
everyone in Phoenix to leave and I mean now. Just pack a suitase and
go. Don't laugh Tucson, you are next...
Oh, when you do go, please leave all Jeeps and related items behind.
I promise to use them in saving ants..err.. birds.. err.. well, I
save something thats here using them.
Ok, back to reality here and see you all on the trail
Felix
25201 From: Scott Legge <scottlegge@h...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 2:17pm
Subject: Re: Boggers vs TSL SX's....cont.
This page has all the info you want plus some for the average tire buyer.
http://www.intercotire.com/sssx.htm They don't make a tire in the size you
are looking for. Their website is pretty plane jane but gets the info out
there. http://www.intercotire.com
Scott Legge
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Coley" <mt_b@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 12:18 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Boggers vs TSL SX's....cont.
> While we are on the topic (for once), has anyone heard if Interco may
> be making the SX in a 33-12.5 or 34-12.5 size anytime soon? I want
> to run them because of the sidewall protection, but my drivetrain
> cannot take the 15.5" width of the current 33 nor the 36" height of
> the current 12.5 offered in the SX?
>
> Basically to run a TSL, I'm stuck with the crappy sidewall of the
> regular TSL because of size avail.
>
> Do the Bogger and the SX share the same sidewall construction? It
> looks like it does from pictures, but I'm wondering if anyone here
> had any real world experience?
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
> 2000 TJ(learning the hard way from the mistake of not buying tires
> with replacment warranty)
>
>
>
>
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25202 From: Blake Van de Loo <blake@m...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 2:42pm
Subject: RE: Getting Flamed::::: Very infromal Thurs. Night Run H ere in town
I know this lot Hunter is talking about. It is not typical "dumping" but rather pile after pile of so called clean fill. If I remember correctly there used to be a sign that stated "clean fill wanted". Not that makes much difference. But at least the "off roaders" that show up, would not be associated with a bunch of trash & garbage.
Blake
-----Original Message-----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com [mailto:hunteroffroad@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 2:34 PM
To: solson8@qwest.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Getting Flamed::::: Very infromal Thurs. Night Run Here in town
Well,
The sun hasn't set yet and I am getting flamed beyond well done. Fine,
there have been good points brought up by alot of people. So I hope this
helps.
By 7 o clok the traffic by this place is dead. We will be far enough away
from the road that chances are no one will see us. Yes there is a dust
issue, I was going to talk to the people about at the Sonic, just drive slow
and no horsepower display. There are no houses are resdiential areas for
atleast a mile and half. The section of land we will in is
buiness/commericial zoned so all the rules that apply resdential go out the
window. (Yes I know about those rules, because my shop is in a Businees
district). And no this isnt some small lot between two strip malls, this a 1
mile by 2 mile section of land. Ok the middle of Tempe was a bit much. It
is on the very edge.
The most the police can do is tell us to leave. If they even care. Judgeing
by the amount of dumping that has occurred here,I doubt they do. I have gone
out there myself at night many times after I get home from work, and I have
never had a probelm. I would agree that if 30 jeeps showed up it might be
probem, but some how I dont see that happening.
John Kanicsar
P.S. I dont have a sticker, nor do I have a jeep,so dont worry about it, and
it will be dark so no one will see anyone else's. If we get caught I will
tell them we are from the Seirra Club takeing dirt samples. Hope to see some
of you out there.
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25203 From: KC B <kcbemail@h...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 2:42pm
Subject: Re: Winch Basics, Tugging, Towing, & Yanking
A basics class is probably a pretty good idea, but be careful who's teaching
it...there are a lot of myths and misinformation out there.
The following link is a pretty good primer on "tugging". A lot of common
sense (often very un-common), and a few "gee, I didn't know that's". Well
worth the read...no matter what you think you already know.
Ken
'97 needs-a-winch TJ
http://www.4x4now.com/sf0300.htm
>From: azmeyer@g...
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Winch Basics, Tugging, Towing, & Yanking
>Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:50:15 -0000
>
>Last weekend's trip made me realize how unprepared I am to receive,
>or give, the "strap".
>
>Is there any chance that how to safely use a winch, how to safely
>tug, and how to safely tow an OHV could be taught/demonstrated/tried
>during next Saturday's trip at the White Tanks. I would also
>appreciate some discussion on what type of attachment points to use
>(pros/cons).
>
>Are there some members that would make themselves available so a
>newbie like me could see it demonstrated. I've read some about the
>subject(also done some really stupid things), but there is nothing
>like hands-on with folks who know how to do it safely.
>
>
>
>
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25204 From: Scott Legge <scottlegge@h...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 3:18pm
Subject: Very OT but anyone want to help?
Anyone want to help an aspiring college student w/ a job to help fix up my
4x4? :) I know this is a shameless plug for employment. But pickins are
slim! Anyone who wants to help a computer geek get a foot in the door job
PLEASE send me an e-mail. ANY job would be greatly appreciated. Any hours
night or day. I am big and strong if that's necessary. I feel bad for
posting this being so new but I am at my whit's end. TIA
Scott Legge
25180 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 8:13am
Subject: Re: Radiators for a TJ
Hawkes radiator in Mesa sells GDI radiators for the TJ. They have an AZVJC
discount as well.
Chris K
> From: Rick VH <rick_vh@y...>
> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 04:47:57 -0700 (PDT)
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Radiators for a TJ
>
> Well it looks like I figured out why my TJ has been
> overheating. At first thought it was the thermostat
> since I never had a problem with it until this year.
> It always ran about 210 degrees day or night any speed
> or stuck in traffic. Lately its been overheating on
> and off, mostly on the highway. Well anyhow, to make
> an already long story somewhat shorter, the bottom
> part of the HIGH QUALITY OEM radiator has produced a
> big crack in it and started shooting out green blood
> all over a parking spot today.
>
> I have my ripoff extended warranty that i could take
> it to the dealer and get another plastic one for
> probably $700 after the 3rd party warranty company
> refuses my claim. But I think it would be a better
> idea to see if i can pickup a 3 core replacement for a
> decent price. Has anyone else found a decent radiator
> short of a custom made Griffen for their TJ? I was
> looking around for a GDI but only saw them available
> for an XJ.
>
> TIA,
>
> rick van hazel
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25181 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 8:27am
Subject: RE: another new guy
Joey K. you sound like you are talking from experience...LOL.
Hey how much per tire did you get your MT's for at Discount? If you don't
mind me asking.
Chris
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On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 14:46:43 -0700, Joey K wrote:
> This is the club you have been looking for. Welcome
> Looks like you have a capable rig.
> You just need the spare. Flats can happen anywhere. (recommendation)
> If you want instead of tow hooks you could put a clevis/shackle in the
rear
> receiver. Just a thought.
> See you on the trail.
> Joey K
> www.desertjeep.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe [mailto:joemik@m...]
> > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 2:21 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] another new guy
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone! I stumbled across this group a few days ago and just
> > had to join. I've been looking for folks in AZ to do some serious
> > wheelin' with since I bought my TJ a few years ago. Looks like I
> > finally found that group!
> >
> > About my rig:
> > '99 TJ Sport, Chili-Pepper Red w/black soft-top
> > Rear: Dana 44 (w/Trac-Lok and 3.73 gears)
> > Front: not sure if it's a 30 or 35c
> > 4" Trailmaster lift
> > 33x12.50x15 BFG All-Terrains
> > 15x8 American Racing Python wheels (2 shiny, 2 not)
> > Trailmaster Steering Stabilizer
> > pre-runner and 2" receiver bumper from fly-n-hi
> > nerf bars
> > front tow-hooks
> >
> > I look forward to running some of the trails with the AZVJC. Sounds
> > like just the group I've been looking for! I know there's a few mods
> > I need before I'm ready to participate in an organized run (rear tow
> > hooks and a full size spare for starters), but now that I found a
> > local group, I've got all the incentive I need.
> >
> > See ya soon,
> > -jm
> >
> >
> >
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25182 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 8:35am
Subject: Need phone number
Anyone have the phone number for OR-Fab?
I looked in the database at yahoo groups, but it is not in there, or I am
just blind:)
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25183 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 8:37am
Subject: Re: The Cherokee lives on...and other Jeep branded strollers
If you go to Walmart they have one of those bouncy things (you put on a
table or floor and put the child in and they move it kind of bounces)
anyway, it has the same little steering wheel and has the Jeep logo on it.
My wife pointed it out to me over the weekend.
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
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>
> http://azcentral.com/rep/style/articles/0606kidsjeep.html
>
> I was surprised to come across this today. I thought some of you would
find it amusing. Of course I already hate the 4 wheel independent suspension
<Grin>
>
>
>
> Scott
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25184 From: Jesus Chio - AllOffRoad <jchio@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 10:44pm
Subject: Re: Need phone number
http://www.alloffroad.com/issue/2001/june/contents/carrier.htm
Company: O-R Fab
Website: www.o-rfab.com
Phone number: 602-749-0588
Installation Time: 3 hours
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Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 8:35 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Need phone number
> Anyone have the phone number for OR-Fab?
>
> I looked in the database at yahoo groups, but it is not in there, or I am
> just blind:)
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25185 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 8:51am
Subject: RE: Boggers vs TSL SX's
I have a set of 35 15.5 TSL SXs on my CJ and although I do not drive my CJ every day I do drive it two top three times a week on the street. I have had my swampers for 7 years and need to replace them only because they are dry rotting.
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Legge [mailto:scottlegge@home.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 11:35 PM
To: AZVJC
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Boggers vs TSL SX's
You are the first person I have ever heard say they ride better on the street. I personally have no experience w/ interco's tire line but have heard they wear like pencil erasers. If I am way off base please correct me :)
Scott Legge
----- Original Message -----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com
To: MudBogr@aol.com ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Boggers vs TSL SX's
I also know a few that run Boggers,and quite a few that did. Alot of them
had the explanation that the Boggers "paddle"design, allowed for the tire to
slip on the rock, left to right. I have seen this happen with my own eyes.
Swampers are more prefered tires on the trail. Plus they ride much better on
the street.
John K
Hunter
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25186 From: JEEP THANG <jeep_thang@h...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:12am
Subject: LU: BLM Meeting Question
Does anybody have directions to the BLM Meeting in Tucson Tomorrow
Night, And What Time , I was able to free up some time. And is the
General Rule to Wear a red shirt, I am also getting two other Jeepers
to go with us, possibly even three. Well anyway we will wear red
shirts regardless. Any info would be appreciated.
Oh Yeah my Dad is going to paint my Jeep with some anti Scratch clear
coat, anybody ever hear of this, I guess it is really expensive,
thank god I only have to pay for materials and help.
Sincerely: JEEP THANG
25187 From: <mike.chatfield@p...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:36am
Subject: Re: dumb newbie question...
From the AzVJC website, select "Message Archive" from the contents
menu. You may be required to log into Yahoo to see it.
- Mike
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Legge" <scottlegge@h...> wrote:
> Are there archives posted on the net anywhere? I looked on the
website
> before asking but didn't see anything I am sure there is a way to
do it
> through the yahoo list server but have been unable to see. TIA
>
> Scott Legge
25188 From: Gary MacLaren <gmaclaren@c...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 9:43am
Subject: Fw: ASK BUSH TO RESTORE ACCESS IN N. CALIFORNIA
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Date: Monday, June 11, 2001 9:36 AM
Subject: ASK BUSH TO RESTORE ACCESS IN N. CALIFORNIA
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Please send President Bush a letter asking him to restore access to the town
of Orick and to protect
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25189 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 10:27am
Subject: SkyJacker front track bar
For those people who are running the Sky Jacker front adjustable track
bar, where did you pick it up at?
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25190 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 7:30am
Subject: Very infromal Thurs. Night Run Here in town
Club,
OK Heres the deal. When your really really hungry, cold pizza tastes
good? Ok I dont get out much and I have the serious urge to wheel. Across
the street from me on Kyrene and Elliot is a very large field that has been
used for dumping dirt from personal pools. The area is like the size of a
very large parking lot of a very large grocery store. I have been out there a
few times and there are no signs. I do know the Tempe lets you sell your car
on the lot so they cant be to picky. And if they can dump, we can wheel.
While it may sound easy or a push over, but in reality, it can be
extremly hard. I guarantee you will flex your suspension harder here than
you ever will at Wood Pecker or Ajax. But the nice thing is, it is soft
dirt, no rocks to give you dents or break parts. Also, you can make your
line as hard as you want. Pick a direction and get silly. If you get stuck,
it it easy to Hilift or dig out. (Most of the times I go with my buggy, I
get stuck.
:::WHY:::
Cause I need to go wheeling and this is a good as it gets for me. I and I
dont like playing alone. Its weird not haveing anyone laughing at you when
you dig.
:::Time and Directions:::
Thursday Night June 13th, 7:00 PM
I plan on haveing dinner at the Sonic Drive-In across the street from the
field at about 7, then maybe head over for a couple of hours. There is also
AMPM Arco gas station lcoated right next door so you can get gas, or a place
to air up if you want. The Sonic and AMPM ar located on the North West
corner of Kyrene and Elloit.
:::The Plan:::
I know I have 3 people all ready planning on attending so hope fully this
would be a good crowd. (Hey, Thursday night TV is all reruns anways). The
plan, have some burgers and fries while sitting in my 4wd, have a couple of
hours of kick *** wheeling and fun, and still make it home in time to catch
the news and Jay Leno.
I tried to post this thru the web page but it didnt work. So please email
me back so I have an idea how many to expect. This field IS BIG, I can
easily see 20 to 30 jeeps out there playing and no one getting in someones
way.
See ya soon.
John K
25191 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 11:38am
Subject: Re: Very infromal Thurs. Night Run Here in town
I might be able to make it, if I can find a spare tire by then.
Be prepared to get chastised by the guys in the club that think this
will make jeeps and our club look bad to all the non-jeepers that
already think we tear up the land and may see us out there! =)
Personally, I don't care, we can't do any more damage than the
developers do building houses all the way up the sides of mountains.
--- In az_vjc@y..., hunteroffroad@a... wrote:
> Club,
> OK Heres the deal. When your really really hungry, cold pizza
tastes
> good? Ok I dont get out much and I have the serious urge to
wheel. Across
> the street from me on Kyrene and Elliot is a very large field that
has been
> used for dumping dirt from personal pools. The area is like the
size of a
> very large parking lot of a very large grocery store. I have been
out there a
> few times and there are no signs. I do know the Tempe lets you
sell your car
> on the lot so they cant be to picky. And if they can dump, we can
wheel.
> While it may sound easy or a push over, but in reality, it can
be
> extremly hard. I guarantee you will flex your suspension harder
here than
> you ever will at Wood Pecker or Ajax. But the nice thing is, it
is soft
> dirt, no rocks to give you dents or break parts. Also, you can
make your
> line as hard as you want. Pick a direction and get silly. If you
get stuck,
> it it easy to Hilift or dig out. (Most of the times I go with my
buggy, I
> get stuck.
>
>
> :::WHY:::
> Cause I need to go wheeling and this is a good as it gets for me.
I and I
> dont like playing alone. Its weird not haveing anyone laughing at
you when
> you dig.
>
> :::Time and Directions:::
> Thursday Night June 13th, 7:00 PM
> I plan on haveing dinner at the Sonic Drive-In across the street
from the
> field at about 7, then maybe head over for a couple of hours. There
is also
> AMPM Arco gas station lcoated right next door so you can get gas,
or a place
> to air up if you want. The Sonic and AMPM ar located on the North
West
> corner of Kyrene and Elloit.
>
> :::The Plan:::
> I know I have 3 people all ready planning on attending so hope
fully this
> would be a good crowd. (Hey, Thursday night TV is all reruns
anways). The
> plan, have some burgers and fries while sitting in my 4wd, have a
couple of
> hours of kick *** wheeling and fun, and still make it home in time
to catch
> the news and Jay Leno.
>
> I tried to post this thru the web page but it didnt work. So
please email
> me back so I have an idea how many to expect. This field IS BIG,
I can
> easily see 20 to 30 jeeps out there playing and no one getting in
someones
> way.
>
> See ya soon.
> John K
25192 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 0:18pm
Subject: Boggers vs TSL SX's....cont.
While we are on the topic (for once), has anyone heard if Interco may
be making the SX in a 33-12.5 or 34-12.5 size anytime soon? I want
to run them because of the sidewall protection, but my drivetrain
cannot take the 15.5" width of the current 33 nor the 36" height of
the current 12.5 offered in the SX?
Basically to run a TSL, I'm stuck with the crappy sidewall of the
regular TSL because of size avail.
Do the Bogger and the SX share the same sidewall construction? It
looks like it does from pictures, but I'm wondering if anyone here
had any real world experience?
Thanks,
Dan
2000 TJ(learning the hard way from the mistake of not buying tires
with replacment warranty)
25193 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 0:48pm
Subject: BFG vs GY MT's
Ok, still comparing tires. Can anyone give me some insight as to the
benefits that make either of these tires better than the other? Is it
really worth the cost of one over the other?
Please include performance on and off road.
Chris
http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
My1stJeep@e...
'97 TJ
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25194 From: Nick Notestine <nnote@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 1:08pm
Subject: Re: Very infromal Thurs. Night Run Here in town
The only problems you could have is if the person who owns the land wants you off, and they are probably some big corporation out of state anyways. On the other hand the if you got injured you could sue the person who owns the land and the police may ask you to leave because of that. I don't think it will happen though and if so you just drive off, is nada.
I wheel at the Dobson and Elliot lot after rain and it's great fun!
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:30 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Very infromal Thurs. Night Run Here in town
Club,
OK Heres the deal. When your really really hungry, cold pizza tastes
good? Ok I dont get out much and I have the serious urge to wheel. Across
the street from me on Kyrene and Elliot is a very large field that has been
used for dumping dirt from personal pools. The area is like the size of a
very large parking lot of a very large grocery store. I have been out there a
few times and there are no signs. I do know the Tempe lets you sell your car
on the lot so they cant be to picky. And if they can dump, we can wheel.
While it may sound easy or a push over, but in reality, it can be
extremly hard. I guarantee you will flex your suspension harder here than
you ever will at Wood Pecker or Ajax. But the nice thing is, it is soft
dirt, no rocks to give you dents or break parts. Also, you can make your
line as hard as you want. Pick a direction and get silly. If you get stuck,
it it easy to Hilift or dig out. (Most of the times I go with my buggy, I
get stuck.
:::WHY:::
Cause I need to go wheeling and this is a good as it gets for me. I and I
dont like playing alone. Its weird not haveing anyone laughing at you when
you dig.
:::Time and Directions:::
Thursday Night June 13th, 7:00 PM
I plan on haveing dinner at the Sonic Drive-In across the street from the
field at about 7, then maybe head over for a couple of hours. There is also
AMPM Arco gas station lcoated right next door so you can get gas, or a place
to air up if you want. The Sonic and AMPM ar located on the North West
corner of Kyrene and Elloit.
:::The Plan:::
I know I have 3 people all ready planning on attending so hope fully this
would be a good crowd. (Hey, Thursday night TV is all reruns anways). The
plan, have some burgers and fries while sitting in my 4wd, have a couple of
hours of kick *** wheeling and fun, and still make it home in time to catch
the news and Jay Leno.
I tried to post this thru the web page but it didnt work. So please email
me back so I have an idea how many to expect. This field IS BIG, I can
easily see 20 to 30 jeeps out there playing and no one getting in someones
way.
See ya soon.
John K
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25195 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 1:38pm
Subject: RE: Very infromal Thurs. Night Run Here in town
This is not meant to be a flame.....just comments on the proposed idea.
Maybe I am just getting too old, but is 4 wheelin' in the middle of Tempe the kind of picture we want to give to everyone that lives in that area?
"And if they can dump, we can wheel." Because someone else may or may not have done something legal or illegal, that makes it OK for us to do something else? Sorry, but I think that statemetn lacks some fundamental logic.
I do know for certain that there are dust abatement (sp) laws in Maricopa County and that all cities and property owners have to abide by them. Even if you don't get cited for it, the property owner can and then you have stuck that individual with a fine (and yes, they are held responsible even though they had nothing to do with it). Is this the right thing to do?
I guess my point is pretty simple.....we, the off-road community, are under the gun from just about everyone except those who ride some kind of vehicle on a trail. Given all of the trails in Arizona, why wheel on a lot in the middle of Tempe? Will you be doing something that promotes are sport in the eyes of the public? Will your actions warm the hearts of those who are sitting on the fence, undecided....trying to figure out if they should choose "our side" or the greenies?
Like I said, this is not a flame.....just some questions that some folks might want to consider. From my view point, I can see nothing but the potential for trouble rising out of this.
thanks,
Stu
One last thought....if you do decide to go through with this, do me a favor and remove/cover the AZVJC sticker, if there is one on your Jeep. I hope the reason for this request is obvious.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com [mailto:hunteroffroad@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:31 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Very infromal Thurs. Night Run Here in town
Club,
OK Heres the deal. When your really really hungry, cold pizza tastes
good? Ok I dont get out much and I have the serious urge to wheel. Across
the street from me on Kyrene and Elliot is a very large field that has been
used for dumping dirt from personal pools. The area is like the size of a
very large parking lot of a very large grocery store. I have been out there a
few times and there are no signs. I do know the Tempe lets you sell your car
on the lot so they cant be to picky. And if they can dump, we can wheel.
While it may sound easy or a push over, but in reality, it can be
extremly hard. I guarantee you will flex your suspension harder here than
you ever will at Wood Pecker or Ajax. But the nice thing is, it is soft
dirt, no rocks to give you dents or break parts. Also, you can make your
line as hard as you want. Pick a direction and get silly. If you get stuck,
it it easy to Hilift or dig out. (Most of the times I go with my buggy, I
get stuck.
:::WHY:::
Cause I need to go wheeling and this is a good as it gets for me. I and I
dont like playing alone. Its weird not haveing anyone laughing at you when
you dig.
:::Time and Directions:::
Thursday Night June 13th, 7:00 PM
I plan on haveing dinner at the Sonic Drive-In across the street from the
field at about 7, then maybe head over for a couple of hours. There is also
AMPM Arco gas station lcoated right next door so you can get gas, or a place
to air up if you want. The Sonic and AMPM ar located on the North West
corner of Kyrene and Elloit.
:::The Plan:::
I know I have 3 people all ready planning on attending so hope fully this
would be a good crowd. (Hey, Thursday night TV is all reruns anways). The
plan, have some burgers and fries while sitting in my 4wd, have a couple of
hours of kick *** wheeling and fun, and still make it home in time to catch
the news and Jay Leno.
I tried to post this thru the web page but it didnt work. So please email
me back so I have an idea how many to expect. This field IS BIG, I can
easily see 20 to 30 jeeps out there playing and no one getting in someones
way.
See ya soon.
John K
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25196 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 1:40pm
Subject: Re: BFG vs GY MT's
Ok, I know you are looking for MT's, and here is my experiance with BFG
and Pro Comp MT's.
My first set of tires on my old Jeep was the 32x11.50 BFG MT's. They
seemed like they did not wear at all! BUT, they were not *sticky* on the
rocks. I now have the Pro Comp MT's, and they stick real nice, and the
sidewall is great so far. I ran Predator Saturday night, down to 11 psi,
and the tires were awsome. I have been very impressed with them, and they
are cheaper than BFG's. They do seam to wear a little quicker than the
BFG's. As far as GY MT's, I have heard they are great but do have a
problem slipping off rocks. I don't have the experiance with them, only
what I read from fellow members.
Oy ya, on road, the pro comps are really nice. They have that nice hum,
but they do not wonder, and thats with both sways disco'd!
--- "Chris R." <my1stjeep@e...> wrote:
> Ok, still comparing tires. Can anyone give me some insight as to the
> benefits that make either of these tires better than the other? Is it
> really worth the cost of one over the other?
>
> Please include performance on and off road.
>
> Chris
> http://www.hotstuff.alloffroad.com/
> My1stJeep@e...
> '97 TJ
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> a
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25197 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 1:41pm
Subject: Re: Very infromal Thurs. Night Run Here in town
Isn't Dobson and Elliot under construction with a Baliys gym or
something??
(Behind Mobil, right?)
--- Nick Notestine <nnote@a...> wrote:
> The only problems you could have is if the person who owns the land
> wants you off, and they are probably some big corporation out of state
> anyways. On the other hand the if you got injured you could sue the
> person who owns the land and the police may ask you to leave because of
> that. I don't think it will happen though and if so you just drive off,
> is nada.
> I wheel at the Dobson and Elliot lot after rain and it's great fun!
> Nick
>
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25198 From: <azmeyer@g...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 1:50pm
Subject: Winch Basics, Tugging, Towing, & Yanking
Last weekend's trip made me realize how unprepared I am to receive,
or give, the "strap".
Is there any chance that how to safely use a winch, how to safely
tug, and how to safely tow an OHV could be taught/demonstrated/tried
during next Saturday's trip at the White Tanks. I would also
appreciate some discussion on what type of attachment points to use
(pros/cons).
Are there some members that would make themselves available so a
newbie like me could see it demonstrated. I've read some about the
subject(also done some really stupid things), but there is nothing
like hands-on with folks who know how to do it safely.
25199 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 10:34am
Subject: Getting Flamed::::: Very infromal Thurs. Night Run Here in town
Well,
The sun hasn't set yet and I am getting flamed beyond well done. Fine,
there have been good points brought up by alot of people. So I hope this
helps.
By 7 o clok the traffic by this place is dead. We will be far enough away
from the road that chances are no one will see us. Yes there is a dust
issue, I was going to talk to the people about at the Sonic, just drive slow
and no horsepower display. There are no houses are resdiential areas for
atleast a mile and half. The section of land we will in is
buiness/commericial zoned so all the rules that apply resdential go out the
window. (Yes I know about those rules, because my shop is in a Businees
district). And no this isnt some small lot between two strip malls, this a 1
mile by 2 mile section of land. Ok the middle of Tempe was a bit much. It
is on the very edge.
The most the police can do is tell us to leave. If they even care. Judgeing
by the amount of dumping that has occurred here,I doubt they do. I have gone
out there myself at night many times after I get home from work, and I have
never had a probelm. I would agree that if 30 jeeps showed up it might be
probem, but some how I dont see that happening.
John Kanicsar
P.S. I dont have a sticker, nor do I have a jeep,so dont worry about it, and
it will be dark so no one will see anyone else's. If we get caught I will
tell them we are from the Seirra Club takeing dirt samples. Hope to see some
of you out there.
25200 From: Felix and Kerry Santi <fes@u...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 2:34pm
Subject: Talked to a Sierra Club type today
Well folks, my friend the "save ___ from people" member (oh, just
fill in the blanks with something thats alive, well, doesn't have to
be alive just in the dictionary)" has won me over. Now I want
everyone in Phoenix to leave and I mean now. Just pack a suitase and
go. Don't laugh Tucson, you are next...
Oh, when you do go, please leave all Jeeps and related items behind.
I promise to use them in saving ants..err.. birds.. err.. well, I
save something thats here using them.
Ok, back to reality here and see you all on the trail
Felix
25201 From: Scott Legge <scottlegge@h...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 2:17pm
Subject: Re: Boggers vs TSL SX's....cont.
This page has all the info you want plus some for the average tire buyer.
http://www.intercotire.com/sssx.htm They don't make a tire in the size you
are looking for. Their website is pretty plane jane but gets the info out
there. http://www.intercotire.com
Scott Legge
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Coley" <mt_b@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 12:18 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Boggers vs TSL SX's....cont.
> While we are on the topic (for once), has anyone heard if Interco may
> be making the SX in a 33-12.5 or 34-12.5 size anytime soon? I want
> to run them because of the sidewall protection, but my drivetrain
> cannot take the 15.5" width of the current 33 nor the 36" height of
> the current 12.5 offered in the SX?
>
> Basically to run a TSL, I'm stuck with the crappy sidewall of the
> regular TSL because of size avail.
>
> Do the Bogger and the SX share the same sidewall construction? It
> looks like it does from pictures, but I'm wondering if anyone here
> had any real world experience?
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
> 2000 TJ(learning the hard way from the mistake of not buying tires
> with replacment warranty)
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
25202 From: Blake Van de Loo <blake@m...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 2:42pm
Subject: RE: Getting Flamed::::: Very infromal Thurs. Night Run H ere in town
I know this lot Hunter is talking about. It is not typical "dumping" but rather pile after pile of so called clean fill. If I remember correctly there used to be a sign that stated "clean fill wanted". Not that makes much difference. But at least the "off roaders" that show up, would not be associated with a bunch of trash & garbage.
Blake
-----Original Message-----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com [mailto:hunteroffroad@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 2:34 PM
To: solson8@qwest.net; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Getting Flamed::::: Very infromal Thurs. Night Run Here in town
Well,
The sun hasn't set yet and I am getting flamed beyond well done. Fine,
there have been good points brought up by alot of people. So I hope this
helps.
By 7 o clok the traffic by this place is dead. We will be far enough away
from the road that chances are no one will see us. Yes there is a dust
issue, I was going to talk to the people about at the Sonic, just drive slow
and no horsepower display. There are no houses are resdiential areas for
atleast a mile and half. The section of land we will in is
buiness/commericial zoned so all the rules that apply resdential go out the
window. (Yes I know about those rules, because my shop is in a Businees
district). And no this isnt some small lot between two strip malls, this a 1
mile by 2 mile section of land. Ok the middle of Tempe was a bit much. It
is on the very edge.
The most the police can do is tell us to leave. If they even care. Judgeing
by the amount of dumping that has occurred here,I doubt they do. I have gone
out there myself at night many times after I get home from work, and I have
never had a probelm. I would agree that if 30 jeeps showed up it might be
probem, but some how I dont see that happening.
John Kanicsar
P.S. I dont have a sticker, nor do I have a jeep,so dont worry about it, and
it will be dark so no one will see anyone else's. If we get caught I will
tell them we are from the Seirra Club takeing dirt samples. Hope to see some
of you out there.
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25203 From: KC B <kcbemail@h...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 2:42pm
Subject: Re: Winch Basics, Tugging, Towing, & Yanking
A basics class is probably a pretty good idea, but be careful who's teaching
it...there are a lot of myths and misinformation out there.
The following link is a pretty good primer on "tugging". A lot of common
sense (often very un-common), and a few "gee, I didn't know that's". Well
worth the read...no matter what you think you already know.
Ken
'97 needs-a-winch TJ
http://www.4x4now.com/sf0300.htm
>From: azmeyer@g...
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Winch Basics, Tugging, Towing, & Yanking
>Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:50:15 -0000
>
>Last weekend's trip made me realize how unprepared I am to receive,
>or give, the "strap".
>
>Is there any chance that how to safely use a winch, how to safely
>tug, and how to safely tow an OHV could be taught/demonstrated/tried
>during next Saturday's trip at the White Tanks. I would also
>appreciate some discussion on what type of attachment points to use
>(pros/cons).
>
>Are there some members that would make themselves available so a
>newbie like me could see it demonstrated. I've read some about the
>subject(also done some really stupid things), but there is nothing
>like hands-on with folks who know how to do it safely.
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
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25204 From: Scott Legge <scottlegge@h...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 3:18pm
Subject: Very OT but anyone want to help?
Anyone want to help an aspiring college student w/ a job to help fix up my
4x4? :) I know this is a shameless plug for employment. But pickins are
slim! Anyone who wants to help a computer geek get a foot in the door job
PLEASE send me an e-mail. ANY job would be greatly appreciated. Any hours
night or day. I am big and strong if that's necessary. I feel bad for
posting this being so new but I am at my whit's end. TIA
Scott Legge