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25155 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 6:56pm
Subject: Re: Planning trip to Az next year
Eric,
I would have to say the best time to come out is early April or late
March. At that time the wild flowers will be in bloom, the weather is
just perfect and the streams/creeks are flowing with the run-off from
the northern winter snow-fall.
Look us up when the time get closer and we can plan some runs around
round trip to AZ. There are a number of differnt variety of trails to
do, make sure you let us know your preference.
As far as changing your vehicles I wouldn't think there would be too
much to do. Maybe lower gears and some armor plating on the
body/under carriage. Speaking of armor plating, I hope that you have
figured in the armor for rig your hauling them on, the armor tends to
get heavy.
Send us a link to some pics to view and specs on the vehicles, maybe
we can give you some pointers.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., jpneric@t... wrote:
> This is a general question to all members. A group of us from
Florida
> have been looking at your scenery for a long time view magazines
and
> the web and we are envious of your trails. What we would like to do
> is come out west next year, 2002, and ride with you folks. We have
a
> tractor and trailer rig that can haul 7 jeeps for us. Our first
> question to the club is, when is a good time of year to come out
and
> ride? We are working on changing the rigs from mud hounds into
rock
> crawlers and money is why we have to wait till next year. By
> listening to the other members advice to each other on what works
and
> what doesn't we are getting a clearer picture of the changes we
need
> to make back here.
> Thanks in advance for you information
> Eric Hermann
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25156 From: <mudbogr@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 7:08pm
Subject: Re: Boggers vs TSL SX's
I run with a few people who use boggers. Several of them have swithed
back to the Swamper biased and SXs. Most people I have talked with
feel that the Swampers grip better in the rocks. I run the SX and
from what I have seen of boggers, I will stick with the Swampers.
--- In az_vjc@y..., jeeperaz@q... wrote:
> I dont know anyone who's running boggers and have never seen them
in
> action on the trail.
>
> Does anyone know how well they perform on AZ rocks compared to TSL
> SX's?
25157 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 3:38pm
Subject: Re: Boggers vs TSL SX's
I also know a few that run Boggers,and quite a few that did. Alot of them
had the explanation that the Boggers "paddle"design, allowed for the tire to
slip on the rock, left to right. I have seen this happen with my own eyes.
Swampers are more prefered tires on the trail. Plus they ride much better on
the street.
John K
Hunter
25158 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 3:42pm
Subject: CB Clinic was nice, Thanks Joe
Props to Joe for throwing his CB tuning Clinic, even though only 2 of us
showed up, he worked his magic on my CB and improved it big time. Also,
thanks for getting me out of my house for a couple of hours as well.
John K
25159 From: Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 7:50pm
Subject: Re: Planning trip to Az next year
Get lifts, lockers, and rocker protection...you'll use them all
jpneric@t... wrote:
>
> This is a general question to all members. A group of us from Florida
> have been looking at your scenery for a long time view magazines and
> the web and we are envious of your trails. What we would like to do
> is come out west next year, 2002, and ride with you folks. We have a
> tractor and trailer rig that can haul 7 jeeps for us. Our first
> question to the club is, when is a good time of year to come out and
> ride? We are working on changing the rigs from mud hounds into rock
> crawlers and money is why we have to wait till next year. By
> listening to the other members advice to each other on what works and
> what doesn't we are getting a clearer picture of the changes we need
> to make back here.
> Thanks in advance for you information
> Eric Hermann
>
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25160 From: Jesus Chio - AllOffRoad <jchio@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 9:55am
Subject: Re: Planning trip to Az next year
Best time is Summer ;) can run trails from 6am to 1am! ;)
Well be there this summer and its gonna be HOOOOT
Jesus Chio
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Gevarter" <gev39@y...>
To: <jpneric@t...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Planning trip to Az next year
> Get lifts, lockers, and rocker protection...you'll use them all
>
> jpneric@t... wrote:
> >
> > This is a general question to all members. A group of us from Florida
> > have been looking at your scenery for a long time view magazines and
> > the web and we are envious of your trails. What we would like to do
> > is come out west next year, 2002, and ride with you folks. We have a
> > tractor and trailer rig that can haul 7 jeeps for us. Our first
> > question to the club is, when is a good time of year to come out and
> > ride? We are working on changing the rigs from mud hounds into rock
> > crawlers and money is why we have to wait till next year. By
> > listening to the other members advice to each other on what works and
> > what doesn't we are getting a clearer picture of the changes we need
> > to make back here.
> > Thanks in advance for you information
> > Eric Hermann
> >
> >
> >
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25161 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 8:07pm
Subject: RE: Planning trip to Az next year
I don't think I would seriously invite anyone to Arizona during the summer
to go 4 wheelin'.
Given a choice of wheelin' in 70 degree weather or 110+ degree temps.....why
would you tell someone to come in the worst part of the year?
Maybe I am missing an important point here, but I would suggest any time
from about October through April....unless you just want to be hot. In that
case, forget the Jeep, go to the local health club, and sit in a sauna.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Jesus Chio - AllOffRoad [mailto:jchio@a...]
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 9:55 AM
To: jpneric@t...; Russell Gevarter
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Planning trip to Az next year
Best time is Summer ;) can run trails from 6am to 1am! ;)
Well be there this summer and its gonna be HOOOOT
Jesus Chio
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Gevarter" <gev39@y...>
To: <jpneric@t...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Planning trip to Az next year
> Get lifts, lockers, and rocker protection...you'll use them all
>
> jpneric@t... wrote:
> >
> > This is a general question to all members. A group of us from Florida
> > have been looking at your scenery for a long time view magazines and
> > the web and we are envious of your trails. What we would like to do
> > is come out west next year, 2002, and ride with you folks. We have a
> > tractor and trailer rig that can haul 7 jeeps for us. Our first
> > question to the club is, when is a good time of year to come out and
> > ride? We are working on changing the rigs from mud hounds into rock
> > crawlers and money is why we have to wait till next year. By
> > listening to the other members advice to each other on what works and
> > what doesn't we are getting a clearer picture of the changes we need
> > to make back here.
> > Thanks in advance for you information
> > Eric Hermann
> >
> >
> >
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25162 From: Rick Hall <ricknhall@h...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 8:01pm
Subject: Exploration Trip
Friday 6/15 all day with a very early departure. Right now we are thinking about looking around the Clint Wells area but that almost always changes after a week of scouring the topo maps. The only thing for sure is that it will be in the pines. If you are interested fire me and email.
Rick
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25163 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 8:25pm
Subject: Re: Planning trip to Az next year
Any time on the trail is good time, but summer is pretty much delegated to
night runs to avoid the heat....so fall-spring is preferred (esp Oct-Nov and
March-April. Winter works too, but it can get a little cold in the desert.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: <jpneric@t...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 6:06 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Planning trip to Az next year
> This is a general question to all members. A group of us from Florida
> have been looking at your scenery for a long time view magazines and
> the web and we are envious of your trails. What we would like to do
> is come out west next year, 2002, and ride with you folks. We have a
> tractor and trailer rig that can haul 7 jeeps for us. Our first
> question to the club is, when is a good time of year to come out and
> ride? We are working on changing the rigs from mud hounds into rock
> crawlers and money is why we have to wait till next year. By
> listening to the other members advice to each other on what works and
> what doesn't we are getting a clearer picture of the changes we need
> to make back here.
> Thanks in advance for you information
> Eric Hermann
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
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25164 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 8:21pm
Subject: RE: Planning trip to Az next year
I think Jesus is one of those guys that doesn't want to pay for the club
sauna! Why pay when you can go out in the middle of the desert, sit in
your Jeep, doing *maybe* .5 MPH, and geta FREE sauna in the 110+ temp! ;)
If you do come in the summer, you won't find much of us out on the trails
during the days. We usually start at 7:00 PM and finish about 1 or 2 AM
(even if you bend your drag link!). If you read in to that last line, it
means GET ROCK LIGHTS! and spare parts:)
--- Stu Olson <solson8@q...> wrote:
> I don't think I would seriously invite anyone to Arizona during the
> summer
> to go 4 wheelin'.
>
> Given a choice of wheelin' in 70 degree weather or 110+ degree
> temps.....why
> would you tell someone to come in the worst part of the year?
>
> Maybe I am missing an important point here, but I would suggest any time
> from about October through April....unless you just want to be hot. In
> that
> case, forget the Jeep, go to the local health club, and sit in a sauna.
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesus Chio - AllOffRoad [mailto:jchio@a...]
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 9:55 AM
> To: jpneric@t...; Russell Gevarter
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Planning trip to Az next year
>
>
> Best time is Summer ;) can run trails from 6am to 1am! ;)
>
> Well be there this summer and its gonna be HOOOOT
>
>
>
>
> Jesus Chio
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Russell Gevarter" <gev39@y...>
> To: <jpneric@t...>
> Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 7:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Planning trip to Az next year
>
>
> > Get lifts, lockers, and rocker protection...you'll use them all
> >
> > jpneric@t... wrote:
> > >
> > > This is a general question to all members. A group of us from
> Florida
> > > have been looking at your scenery for a long time view magazines and
> > > the web and we are envious of your trails. What we would like to do
> > > is come out west next year, 2002, and ride with you folks. We have a
> > > tractor and trailer rig that can haul 7 jeeps for us. Our first
> > > question to the club is, when is a good time of year to come out and
> > > ride? We are working on changing the rigs from mud hounds into rock
> > > crawlers and money is why we have to wait till next year. By
> > > listening to the other members advice to each other on what works
> and
> > > what doesn't we are getting a clearer picture of the changes we need
> > > to make back here.
> > > Thanks in advance for you information
> > > Eric Hermann
> > >
> > >
> > >
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25165 From: Joey K <joey@j...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 8:34pm
Subject: RE: Planning trip to Az next year
Be nice. :-) it's a "dry" heat.
As James said early Spring is probably a better time. IMHO. Summer has the
hot days but nice nights. But if you want to see the landscape and beauty of
the Arizona desert the lack of light will not help. Fall is good but the
monsoons can make the washes a hazard. Winter can be a second choice but the
rocks do get cold and if your rig is open it can be pretty uncomfortable.
Personally the heat does not bother me. That is as long as I have shade to
escape to and gallons of cool water to drink.
IMHO
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 8:08 PM
> To: Jesus Chio - AllOffRoad; jpneric@t...
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Planning trip to Az next year
>
>
> I don't think I would seriously invite anyone to Arizona during the summer
> to go 4 wheelin'.
>
> Given a choice of wheelin' in 70 degree weather or 110+ degree
> temps.....why
> would you tell someone to come in the worst part of the year?
>
> Maybe I am missing an important point here, but I would suggest any time
> from about October through April....unless you just want to be
> hot. In that
> case, forget the Jeep, go to the local health club, and sit in a sauna.
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesus Chio - AllOffRoad [mailto:jchio@a...]
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 9:55 AM
> To: jpneric@t...; Russell Gevarter
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Planning trip to Az next year
>
>
> Best time is Summer ;) can run trails from 6am to 1am! ;)
>
> Well be there this summer and its gonna be HOOOOT
>
>
>
>
> Jesus Chio
>
> Chief Editor : www.AllOffRoad.com
> Vice-President : www.OffRoadImage.com
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Russell Gevarter" <gev39@y...>
> To: <jpneric@t...>
> Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 7:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Planning trip to Az next year
>
>
> > Get lifts, lockers, and rocker protection...you'll use them all
> >
> > jpneric@t... wrote:
> > >
> > > This is a general question to all members. A group of us from Florida
> > > have been looking at your scenery for a long time view magazines and
> > > the web and we are envious of your trails. What we would like to do
> > > is come out west next year, 2002, and ride with you folks. We have a
> > > tractor and trailer rig that can haul 7 jeeps for us. Our first
> > > question to the club is, when is a good time of year to come out and
> > > ride? We are working on changing the rigs from mud hounds into rock
> > > crawlers and money is why we have to wait till next year. By
> > > listening to the other members advice to each other on what works and
> > > what doesn't we are getting a clearer picture of the changes we need
> > > to make back here.
> > > Thanks in advance for you information
> > > Eric Hermann
> > >
> > >
> > >
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25166 From: Jesus Chio - AllOffRoad <jchio@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 10:52am
Subject: Re: Planning trip to Az next year
We all think way different and I think that's what make this kind of lists
great.
I believe that if you go to the north pole, you bet it will be cold, and if
you want to go to the desert prepare yourself to be hot!
Long days and lovely nights are possible in the desert during the summer.
Its hot yes but that wont keep you from having a great time.
I don't like to get sunburn or dehydrated! I carry sunblock and a lot, a
looot of water =)
During summer most of us gets off work/college around 5-6pm and its a great
time to start wheeling since you will have 4-5 or maybe more sun hours.
And summer give a lot of us time to rest from college, =)
Those are some of my reasons, but you all have the right to think different
Jesus Chio
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
To: "Jesus Chio - AllOffRoad" <jchio@a...>;
<jpneric@t...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 8:07 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Planning trip to Az next year
> I don't think I would seriously invite anyone to Arizona during the summer
> to go 4 wheelin'.
>
> Given a choice of wheelin' in 70 degree weather or 110+ degree
temps.....why
> would you tell someone to come in the worst part of the year?
>
> Maybe I am missing an important point here, but I would suggest any time
> from about October through April....unless you just want to be hot. In
that
> case, forget the Jeep, go to the local health club, and sit in a sauna.
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesus Chio - AllOffRoad [mailto:jchio@a...]
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 9:55 AM
> To: jpneric@t...; Russell Gevarter
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Planning trip to Az next year
>
>
> Best time is Summer ;) can run trails from 6am to 1am! ;)
>
> Well be there this summer and its gonna be HOOOOT
>
>
>
>
> Jesus Chio
>
> Chief Editor : www.AllOffRoad.com
> Vice-President : www.OffRoadImage.com
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Russell Gevarter" <gev39@y...>
> To: <jpneric@t...>
> Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 7:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Planning trip to Az next year
>
>
> > Get lifts, lockers, and rocker protection...you'll use them all
> >
> > jpneric@t... wrote:
> > >
> > > This is a general question to all members. A group of us from Florida
> > > have been looking at your scenery for a long time view magazines and
> > > the web and we are envious of your trails. What we would like to do
> > > is come out west next year, 2002, and ride with you folks. We have a
> > > tractor and trailer rig that can haul 7 jeeps for us. Our first
> > > question to the club is, when is a good time of year to come out and
> > > ride? We are working on changing the rigs from mud hounds into rock
> > > crawlers and money is why we have to wait till next year. By
> > > listening to the other members advice to each other on what works and
> > > what doesn't we are getting a clearer picture of the changes we need
> > > to make back here.
> > > Thanks in advance for you information
> > > Eric Hermann
> > >
> > >
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25167 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 5:14pm
Subject: Re: Planning trip to Az next year
Preach on brother Joey...preach on! I agree in the fact that Ive driven
my Jeep topless in the snow in Colorado and in 115 degree temps of Glamis and
Az. So if you are really into Jeeping, come when ever your up too it and you
will find someone to go with :)
See ya soon
Sharky
25168 From: <FLEXYXJ@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 5:17pm
Subject: Terminator Night Run PHOTOS....
Well let me start this by apologizing for not having these SOMEWHERE
sooner...:( I tried posting them to photopoint tonight but either this
awesome great provider (hint sarcasm, it's AOL) or the 30 dollar photopoint
membership I just signed up for would not let me post them for some
reason...Let me tell you for those that went EVERONE has at least one photo
of one wheel waaaay in the air!!!! If you would like me to send them to you
personally just shoot me an e-mail (flexyxj@aol.com) and let me know which
jeep yopu were driving (sorry only second time to place names with the
faces/jeep) and I will gladly send them to ya!!! Was a great run, and cant
wait till I have another Jeep (other than the ZJ) to flex again!!!!!
FlexyXJ
25169 From: William Aylesworth <billyayle@h...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 9:29pm
Subject: It doesn't get any Better.
Just a fun one for all concerned. Caught this from Pats last training
run in the National Guard. Seems Pat finally found a gun that was to
much to handle!!! Thanks to Allen Jakob for the excellent artwork.
(Allens favorite quote. " Mr. Smith, your x-ray showed a broken rib,
however we fixed it with photoshop")
Attachment: (image/jpeg) Mad Pat copy.jpg [not stored]
25170 From: William Aylesworth <billyayle@h...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 9:42pm
Subject: Apology for OT post
Would like to apologize for the Off Topic post. This was ment for
Friends only. It seems that all AZ_VJC'rs are my friends as well.
Bill A.
55M38A1
25171 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 9:39pm
Subject: Re: Boggers vs TSL SX's
I OWN a set of Boggers now. I find that they tend to slip side to side
more than most. Most that I have wheeled with have also noted this
problem. It hasn't gotten me into problems (yet), but the potential is
there. Now........I would say that Boggers are probably a much better
all-around tire, though. Wanna run mud? Boggers are unmatched. Wanna
run sand? Boggers paddle like nobody's business. Wanna run rocks?
Work good, but can be outmatched. So.....all around, they are (my
opinion) the best tire.
Now, TSL/SX's. I've seen a number of them on the trails and am blown
away by how well they seem to stick. Saw some guys run Annihilaor a few
weeks ago. Almost all of them were running TSL/SXs (bead locked) and
their traction was AWESOME!
I myself am looking to go to TSL/SXs on my next go round because I
rarely (if ever) run mine in mud or sand. I pretty much hit rocks when
I go out. So Boggers are a detrement to me. If I wanted to blast up
sand or through mud and run the rocks, Boggers would be my first
choice. But it seems that TSL/SXs are unmatched in the rocks.
Just my 0.02c
--
----------------------------
Jay Eller (still running tired, worn out Boggers)
http://www.goodnet.com/~eller
25172 From: <jeep108@h...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 11:41pm
Subject: Re: Boggers vs TSL SX's
I agree with most of what Jay says,but boggers are terrible tires in
the sand.My experience is that they just sink down and dont want to
go.
Ken
--- In az_vjc@y..., Jay Eller <jay@t...> wrote:
> I OWN a set of Boggers now. I find that they tend to slip side to
side
> more than most. Most that I have wheeled with have also noted this
> problem. It hasn't gotten me into problems (yet), but the potential
is
> there. Now........I would say that Boggers are probably a much
better
> all-around tire, though. Wanna run mud? Boggers are unmatched.
Wanna
> run sand? Boggers paddle like nobody's business. Wanna run rocks?
> Work good, but can be outmatched. So.....all around, they are (my
> opinion) the best tire.
>
> Now, TSL/SX's. I've seen a number of them on the trails and am
blown
> away by how well they seem to stick. Saw some guys run Annihilaor a
few
> weeks ago. Almost all of them were running TSL/SXs (bead locked)
and
> their traction was AWESOME!
>
> I myself am looking to go to TSL/SXs on my next go round because I
> rarely (if ever) run mine in mud or sand. I pretty much hit rocks
when
> I go out. So Boggers are a detrement to me. If I wanted to blast
up
> sand or through mud and run the rocks, Boggers would be my first
> choice. But it seems that TSL/SXs are unmatched in the rocks.
>
> Just my 0.02c
>
> --
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller (still running tired, worn out Boggers)
> http://www.goodnet.com/~eller
25173 From: Scott Legge <scottlegge@h...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 11:34pm
Subject: Re: Boggers vs TSL SX's
You are the first person I have ever heard say they ride better on the street. I personally have no experience w/ interco's tire line but have heard they wear like pencil erasers. If I am way off base please correct me :)
Scott Legge
----- Original Message -----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com
To: MudBogr@aol.com ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Boggers vs TSL SX's
I also know a few that run Boggers,and quite a few that did. Alot of them
had the explanation that the Boggers "paddle"design, allowed for the tire to
slip on the rock, left to right. I have seen this happen with my own eyes.
Swampers are more prefered tires on the trail. Plus they ride much better on
the street.
John K
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25174 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 9:25pm
Subject: Re: Boggers vs TSL SX's
Well, what I ment was that Swampers ride better and wear better then the
Boggers.
Or so I have been told by some of my freinds thathave run both. Does a
average swamper wear ride like a average mud terrain? No. I was strcilty
compareing the two interco models
John K
25175 From: Scott Legge <scottlegge@h...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 1:19am
Subject: Re: Boggers vs TSL SX's
Sorry. I misunderstood. I agree with the fact that boggers wear like garbage compared to just about anything short of race only type compounds..
Scott Legge
----- Original Message -----
From: HUNTEROFFROAD@aol.com
To: scottlegge@home.com ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Boggers vs TSL SX's
Well, what I ment was that Swampers ride better and wear better then the
Boggers.
Or so I have been told by some of my freinds thathave run both. Does a
average swamper wear ride like a average mud terrain? No. I was strcilty
compareing the two interco models
John K
25176 From: Rick VH <rick_vh@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 4:47am
Subject: Radiators for a TJ
Well it looks like I figured out why my TJ has been
overheating. At first thought it was the thermostat
since I never had a problem with it until this year.
It always ran about 210 degrees day or night any speed
or stuck in traffic. Lately its been overheating on
and off, mostly on the highway. Well anyhow, to make
an already long story somewhat shorter, the bottom
part of the HIGH QUALITY OEM radiator has produced a
big crack in it and started shooting out green blood
all over a parking spot today.
I have my ripoff extended warranty that i could take
it to the dealer and get another plastic one for
probably $700 after the 3rd party warranty company
refuses my claim. But I think it would be a better
idea to see if i can pickup a 3 core replacement for a
decent price. Has anyone else found a decent radiator
short of a custom made Griffen for their TJ? I was
looking around for a GDI but only saw them available
for an XJ.
TIA,
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25177 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 5:46am
Subject: Re: Radiators for a TJ
Try www.radiators.com. Free delivery and really good prices. The OEM
radiator is a piece of junk. Don't get another one. You can get a 2 core or
3 core all metal from the above site.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick VH" <rick_vh@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:47 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Radiators for a TJ
> Well it looks like I figured out why my TJ has been
> overheating. At first thought it was the thermostat
> since I never had a problem with it until this year.
> It always ran about 210 degrees day or night any speed
> or stuck in traffic. Lately its been overheating on
> and off, mostly on the highway. Well anyhow, to make
> an already long story somewhat shorter, the bottom
> part of the HIGH QUALITY OEM radiator has produced a
> big crack in it and started shooting out green blood
> all over a parking spot today.
>
> I have my ripoff extended warranty that i could take
> it to the dealer and get another plastic one for
> probably $700 after the 3rd party warranty company
> refuses my claim. But I think it would be a better
> idea to see if i can pickup a 3 core replacement for a
> decent price. Has anyone else found a decent radiator
> short of a custom made Griffen for their TJ? I was
> looking around for a GDI but only saw them available
> for an XJ.
>
> TIA,
>
> rick van hazel
>
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25178 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 5:49am
Subject: Fw: Radiators for a TJ
Corrected url is www.radiator.com.
----- Original Message -----
From: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Rick VH" <rick_vh@y...>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 5:46 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Radiators for a TJ
> Try www.radiators.com. Free delivery and really good prices. The OEM
> radiator is a piece of junk. Don't get another one. You can get a 2 core
or
> 3 core all metal from the above site.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick VH" <rick_vh@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:47 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Radiators for a TJ
>
>
> > Well it looks like I figured out why my TJ has been
> > overheating. At first thought it was the thermostat
> > since I never had a problem with it until this year.
> > It always ran about 210 degrees day or night any speed
> > or stuck in traffic. Lately its been overheating on
> > and off, mostly on the highway. Well anyhow, to make
> > an already long story somewhat shorter, the bottom
> > part of the HIGH QUALITY OEM radiator has produced a
> > big crack in it and started shooting out green blood
> > all over a parking spot today.
> >
> > I have my ripoff extended warranty that i could take
> > it to the dealer and get another plastic one for
> > probably $700 after the 3rd party warranty company
> > refuses my claim. But I think it would be a better
> > idea to see if i can pickup a 3 core replacement for a
> > decent price. Has anyone else found a decent radiator
> > short of a custom made Griffen for their TJ? I was
> > looking around for a GDI but only saw them available
> > for an XJ.
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > rick van hazel
> >
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25179 From: David Burke <davewburke@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 7:23am
Subject: Re: Re: Boggers vs TSL SX's
I have run 35x15.5's TSL/SX's before the set of 35x14.5 BOGGERS that I have
currently.
The TSL/SX's worked great in the rocks, the wear was reasonable, I had
balancing
night mares with them, and ran reasonably quiet, They didnt perform as well
as I would have
liked in the sand. The boggers are not as good on rocks due to side slipping,
are way louder on
the road, are awesome in the sand. They are basically paddle tires in the
sand and if you have
enough horsepower....they will throw a roost behind you that is quite
impressive.
-Trick-cj
jeep108@h... wrote:
> I agree with most of what Jay says,but boggers are terrible tires in
> the sand.My experience is that they just sink down and dont want to
> go.
>
> Ken
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Jay Eller <jay@t...> wrote:
> > I OWN a set of Boggers now. I find that they tend to slip side to
> side
> > more than most. Most that I have wheeled with have also noted this
> > problem. It hasn't gotten me into problems (yet), but the potential
> is
> > there. Now........I would say that Boggers are probably a much
> better
> > all-around tire, though. Wanna run mud? Boggers are unmatched.
> Wanna
> > run sand? Boggers paddle like nobody's business. Wanna run rocks?
> > Work good, but can be outmatched. So.....all around, they are (my
> > opinion) the best tire.
> >
> > Now, TSL/SX's. I've seen a number of them on the trails and am
> blown
> > away by how well they seem to stick. Saw some guys run Annihilaor a
> few
> > weeks ago. Almost all of them were running TSL/SXs (bead locked)
> and
> > their traction was AWESOME!
> >
> > I myself am looking to go to TSL/SXs on my next go round because I
> > rarely (if ever) run mine in mud or sand. I pretty much hit rocks
> when
> > I go out. So Boggers are a detrement to me. If I wanted to blast
> up
> > sand or through mud and run the rocks, Boggers would be my first
> > choice. But it seems that TSL/SXs are unmatched in the rocks.
> >
> > Just my 0.02c
> >
> > --
> > ----------------------------
> > Jay Eller (still running tired, worn out Boggers)
> > http://www.goodnet.com/~eller
>
>
>
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25155 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 6:56pm
Subject: Re: Planning trip to Az next year
Eric,
I would have to say the best time to come out is early April or late
March. At that time the wild flowers will be in bloom, the weather is
just perfect and the streams/creeks are flowing with the run-off from
the northern winter snow-fall.
Look us up when the time get closer and we can plan some runs around
round trip to AZ. There are a number of differnt variety of trails to
do, make sure you let us know your preference.
As far as changing your vehicles I wouldn't think there would be too
much to do. Maybe lower gears and some armor plating on the
body/under carriage. Speaking of armor plating, I hope that you have
figured in the armor for rig your hauling them on, the armor tends to
get heavy.
Send us a link to some pics to view and specs on the vehicles, maybe
we can give you some pointers.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., jpneric@t... wrote:
> This is a general question to all members. A group of us from
Florida
> have been looking at your scenery for a long time view magazines
and
> the web and we are envious of your trails. What we would like to do
> is come out west next year, 2002, and ride with you folks. We have
a
> tractor and trailer rig that can haul 7 jeeps for us. Our first
> question to the club is, when is a good time of year to come out
and
> ride? We are working on changing the rigs from mud hounds into
rock
> crawlers and money is why we have to wait till next year. By
> listening to the other members advice to each other on what works
and
> what doesn't we are getting a clearer picture of the changes we
need
> to make back here.
> Thanks in advance for you information
> Eric Hermann
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25156 From: <mudbogr@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 7:08pm
Subject: Re: Boggers vs TSL SX's
I run with a few people who use boggers. Several of them have swithed
back to the Swamper biased and SXs. Most people I have talked with
feel that the Swampers grip better in the rocks. I run the SX and
from what I have seen of boggers, I will stick with the Swampers.
--- In az_vjc@y..., jeeperaz@q... wrote:
> I dont know anyone who's running boggers and have never seen them
in
> action on the trail.
>
> Does anyone know how well they perform on AZ rocks compared to TSL
> SX's?
25157 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 3:38pm
Subject: Re: Boggers vs TSL SX's
I also know a few that run Boggers,and quite a few that did. Alot of them
had the explanation that the Boggers "paddle"design, allowed for the tire to
slip on the rock, left to right. I have seen this happen with my own eyes.
Swampers are more prefered tires on the trail. Plus they ride much better on
the street.
John K
Hunter
25158 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 3:42pm
Subject: CB Clinic was nice, Thanks Joe
Props to Joe for throwing his CB tuning Clinic, even though only 2 of us
showed up, he worked his magic on my CB and improved it big time. Also,
thanks for getting me out of my house for a couple of hours as well.
John K
25159 From: Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 7:50pm
Subject: Re: Planning trip to Az next year
Get lifts, lockers, and rocker protection...you'll use them all
jpneric@t... wrote:
>
> This is a general question to all members. A group of us from Florida
> have been looking at your scenery for a long time view magazines and
> the web and we are envious of your trails. What we would like to do
> is come out west next year, 2002, and ride with you folks. We have a
> tractor and trailer rig that can haul 7 jeeps for us. Our first
> question to the club is, when is a good time of year to come out and
> ride? We are working on changing the rigs from mud hounds into rock
> crawlers and money is why we have to wait till next year. By
> listening to the other members advice to each other on what works and
> what doesn't we are getting a clearer picture of the changes we need
> to make back here.
> Thanks in advance for you information
> Eric Hermann
>
>
>
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25160 From: Jesus Chio - AllOffRoad <jchio@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 9:55am
Subject: Re: Planning trip to Az next year
Best time is Summer ;) can run trails from 6am to 1am! ;)
Well be there this summer and its gonna be HOOOOT
Jesus Chio
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Gevarter" <gev39@y...>
To: <jpneric@t...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Planning trip to Az next year
> Get lifts, lockers, and rocker protection...you'll use them all
>
> jpneric@t... wrote:
> >
> > This is a general question to all members. A group of us from Florida
> > have been looking at your scenery for a long time view magazines and
> > the web and we are envious of your trails. What we would like to do
> > is come out west next year, 2002, and ride with you folks. We have a
> > tractor and trailer rig that can haul 7 jeeps for us. Our first
> > question to the club is, when is a good time of year to come out and
> > ride? We are working on changing the rigs from mud hounds into rock
> > crawlers and money is why we have to wait till next year. By
> > listening to the other members advice to each other on what works and
> > what doesn't we are getting a clearer picture of the changes we need
> > to make back here.
> > Thanks in advance for you information
> > Eric Hermann
> >
> >
> >
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25161 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 8:07pm
Subject: RE: Planning trip to Az next year
I don't think I would seriously invite anyone to Arizona during the summer
to go 4 wheelin'.
Given a choice of wheelin' in 70 degree weather or 110+ degree temps.....why
would you tell someone to come in the worst part of the year?
Maybe I am missing an important point here, but I would suggest any time
from about October through April....unless you just want to be hot. In that
case, forget the Jeep, go to the local health club, and sit in a sauna.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Jesus Chio - AllOffRoad [mailto:jchio@a...]
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 9:55 AM
To: jpneric@t...; Russell Gevarter
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Planning trip to Az next year
Best time is Summer ;) can run trails from 6am to 1am! ;)
Well be there this summer and its gonna be HOOOOT
Jesus Chio
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Gevarter" <gev39@y...>
To: <jpneric@t...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Planning trip to Az next year
> Get lifts, lockers, and rocker protection...you'll use them all
>
> jpneric@t... wrote:
> >
> > This is a general question to all members. A group of us from Florida
> > have been looking at your scenery for a long time view magazines and
> > the web and we are envious of your trails. What we would like to do
> > is come out west next year, 2002, and ride with you folks. We have a
> > tractor and trailer rig that can haul 7 jeeps for us. Our first
> > question to the club is, when is a good time of year to come out and
> > ride? We are working on changing the rigs from mud hounds into rock
> > crawlers and money is why we have to wait till next year. By
> > listening to the other members advice to each other on what works and
> > what doesn't we are getting a clearer picture of the changes we need
> > to make back here.
> > Thanks in advance for you information
> > Eric Hermann
> >
> >
> >
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25162 From: Rick Hall <ricknhall@h...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 8:01pm
Subject: Exploration Trip
Friday 6/15 all day with a very early departure. Right now we are thinking about looking around the Clint Wells area but that almost always changes after a week of scouring the topo maps. The only thing for sure is that it will be in the pines. If you are interested fire me and email.
Rick
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25163 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 8:25pm
Subject: Re: Planning trip to Az next year
Any time on the trail is good time, but summer is pretty much delegated to
night runs to avoid the heat....so fall-spring is preferred (esp Oct-Nov and
March-April. Winter works too, but it can get a little cold in the desert.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: <jpneric@t...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 6:06 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Planning trip to Az next year
> This is a general question to all members. A group of us from Florida
> have been looking at your scenery for a long time view magazines and
> the web and we are envious of your trails. What we would like to do
> is come out west next year, 2002, and ride with you folks. We have a
> tractor and trailer rig that can haul 7 jeeps for us. Our first
> question to the club is, when is a good time of year to come out and
> ride? We are working on changing the rigs from mud hounds into rock
> crawlers and money is why we have to wait till next year. By
> listening to the other members advice to each other on what works and
> what doesn't we are getting a clearer picture of the changes we need
> to make back here.
> Thanks in advance for you information
> Eric Hermann
>
>
>
>
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>
>
25164 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 8:21pm
Subject: RE: Planning trip to Az next year
I think Jesus is one of those guys that doesn't want to pay for the club
sauna! Why pay when you can go out in the middle of the desert, sit in
your Jeep, doing *maybe* .5 MPH, and geta FREE sauna in the 110+ temp! ;)
If you do come in the summer, you won't find much of us out on the trails
during the days. We usually start at 7:00 PM and finish about 1 or 2 AM
(even if you bend your drag link!). If you read in to that last line, it
means GET ROCK LIGHTS! and spare parts:)
--- Stu Olson <solson8@q...> wrote:
> I don't think I would seriously invite anyone to Arizona during the
> summer
> to go 4 wheelin'.
>
> Given a choice of wheelin' in 70 degree weather or 110+ degree
> temps.....why
> would you tell someone to come in the worst part of the year?
>
> Maybe I am missing an important point here, but I would suggest any time
> from about October through April....unless you just want to be hot. In
> that
> case, forget the Jeep, go to the local health club, and sit in a sauna.
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesus Chio - AllOffRoad [mailto:jchio@a...]
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 9:55 AM
> To: jpneric@t...; Russell Gevarter
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Planning trip to Az next year
>
>
> Best time is Summer ;) can run trails from 6am to 1am! ;)
>
> Well be there this summer and its gonna be HOOOOT
>
>
>
>
> Jesus Chio
>
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>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Russell Gevarter" <gev39@y...>
> To: <jpneric@t...>
> Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 7:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Planning trip to Az next year
>
>
> > Get lifts, lockers, and rocker protection...you'll use them all
> >
> > jpneric@t... wrote:
> > >
> > > This is a general question to all members. A group of us from
> Florida
> > > have been looking at your scenery for a long time view magazines and
> > > the web and we are envious of your trails. What we would like to do
> > > is come out west next year, 2002, and ride with you folks. We have a
> > > tractor and trailer rig that can haul 7 jeeps for us. Our first
> > > question to the club is, when is a good time of year to come out and
> > > ride? We are working on changing the rigs from mud hounds into rock
> > > crawlers and money is why we have to wait till next year. By
> > > listening to the other members advice to each other on what works
> and
> > > what doesn't we are getting a clearer picture of the changes we need
> > > to make back here.
> > > Thanks in advance for you information
> > > Eric Hermann
> > >
> > >
> > >
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25165 From: Joey K <joey@j...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 8:34pm
Subject: RE: Planning trip to Az next year
Be nice. :-) it's a "dry" heat.
As James said early Spring is probably a better time. IMHO. Summer has the
hot days but nice nights. But if you want to see the landscape and beauty of
the Arizona desert the lack of light will not help. Fall is good but the
monsoons can make the washes a hazard. Winter can be a second choice but the
rocks do get cold and if your rig is open it can be pretty uncomfortable.
Personally the heat does not bother me. That is as long as I have shade to
escape to and gallons of cool water to drink.
IMHO
Joey K
93YJ
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 8:08 PM
> To: Jesus Chio - AllOffRoad; jpneric@t...
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Planning trip to Az next year
>
>
> I don't think I would seriously invite anyone to Arizona during the summer
> to go 4 wheelin'.
>
> Given a choice of wheelin' in 70 degree weather or 110+ degree
> temps.....why
> would you tell someone to come in the worst part of the year?
>
> Maybe I am missing an important point here, but I would suggest any time
> from about October through April....unless you just want to be
> hot. In that
> case, forget the Jeep, go to the local health club, and sit in a sauna.
>
> Stu
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesus Chio - AllOffRoad [mailto:jchio@a...]
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 9:55 AM
> To: jpneric@t...; Russell Gevarter
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Planning trip to Az next year
>
>
> Best time is Summer ;) can run trails from 6am to 1am! ;)
>
> Well be there this summer and its gonna be HOOOOT
>
>
>
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> From: "Russell Gevarter" <gev39@y...>
> To: <jpneric@t...>
> Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 7:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Planning trip to Az next year
>
>
> > Get lifts, lockers, and rocker protection...you'll use them all
> >
> > jpneric@t... wrote:
> > >
> > > This is a general question to all members. A group of us from Florida
> > > have been looking at your scenery for a long time view magazines and
> > > the web and we are envious of your trails. What we would like to do
> > > is come out west next year, 2002, and ride with you folks. We have a
> > > tractor and trailer rig that can haul 7 jeeps for us. Our first
> > > question to the club is, when is a good time of year to come out and
> > > ride? We are working on changing the rigs from mud hounds into rock
> > > crawlers and money is why we have to wait till next year. By
> > > listening to the other members advice to each other on what works and
> > > what doesn't we are getting a clearer picture of the changes we need
> > > to make back here.
> > > Thanks in advance for you information
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25166 From: Jesus Chio - AllOffRoad <jchio@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 10:52am
Subject: Re: Planning trip to Az next year
We all think way different and I think that's what make this kind of lists
great.
I believe that if you go to the north pole, you bet it will be cold, and if
you want to go to the desert prepare yourself to be hot!
Long days and lovely nights are possible in the desert during the summer.
Its hot yes but that wont keep you from having a great time.
I don't like to get sunburn or dehydrated! I carry sunblock and a lot, a
looot of water =)
During summer most of us gets off work/college around 5-6pm and its a great
time to start wheeling since you will have 4-5 or maybe more sun hours.
And summer give a lot of us time to rest from college, =)
Those are some of my reasons, but you all have the right to think different
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To: "Jesus Chio - AllOffRoad" <jchio@a...>;
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Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 8:07 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Planning trip to Az next year
> I don't think I would seriously invite anyone to Arizona during the summer
> to go 4 wheelin'.
>
> Given a choice of wheelin' in 70 degree weather or 110+ degree
temps.....why
> would you tell someone to come in the worst part of the year?
>
> Maybe I am missing an important point here, but I would suggest any time
> from about October through April....unless you just want to be hot. In
that
> case, forget the Jeep, go to the local health club, and sit in a sauna.
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesus Chio - AllOffRoad [mailto:jchio@a...]
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 9:55 AM
> To: jpneric@t...; Russell Gevarter
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Planning trip to Az next year
>
>
> Best time is Summer ;) can run trails from 6am to 1am! ;)
>
> Well be there this summer and its gonna be HOOOOT
>
>
>
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Russell Gevarter" <gev39@y...>
> To: <jpneric@t...>
> Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 7:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Planning trip to Az next year
>
>
> > Get lifts, lockers, and rocker protection...you'll use them all
> >
> > jpneric@t... wrote:
> > >
> > > This is a general question to all members. A group of us from Florida
> > > have been looking at your scenery for a long time view magazines and
> > > the web and we are envious of your trails. What we would like to do
> > > is come out west next year, 2002, and ride with you folks. We have a
> > > tractor and trailer rig that can haul 7 jeeps for us. Our first
> > > question to the club is, when is a good time of year to come out and
> > > ride? We are working on changing the rigs from mud hounds into rock
> > > crawlers and money is why we have to wait till next year. By
> > > listening to the other members advice to each other on what works and
> > > what doesn't we are getting a clearer picture of the changes we need
> > > to make back here.
> > > Thanks in advance for you information
> > > Eric Hermann
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25167 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 5:14pm
Subject: Re: Planning trip to Az next year
Preach on brother Joey...preach on! I agree in the fact that Ive driven
my Jeep topless in the snow in Colorado and in 115 degree temps of Glamis and
Az. So if you are really into Jeeping, come when ever your up too it and you
will find someone to go with :)
See ya soon
Sharky
25168 From: <FLEXYXJ@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 5:17pm
Subject: Terminator Night Run PHOTOS....
Well let me start this by apologizing for not having these SOMEWHERE
sooner...:( I tried posting them to photopoint tonight but either this
awesome great provider (hint sarcasm, it's AOL) or the 30 dollar photopoint
membership I just signed up for would not let me post them for some
reason...Let me tell you for those that went EVERONE has at least one photo
of one wheel waaaay in the air!!!! If you would like me to send them to you
personally just shoot me an e-mail (flexyxj@aol.com) and let me know which
jeep yopu were driving (sorry only second time to place names with the
faces/jeep) and I will gladly send them to ya!!! Was a great run, and cant
wait till I have another Jeep (other than the ZJ) to flex again!!!!!
FlexyXJ
25169 From: William Aylesworth <billyayle@h...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 9:29pm
Subject: It doesn't get any Better.
Just a fun one for all concerned. Caught this from Pats last training
run in the National Guard. Seems Pat finally found a gun that was to
much to handle!!! Thanks to Allen Jakob for the excellent artwork.
(Allens favorite quote. " Mr. Smith, your x-ray showed a broken rib,
however we fixed it with photoshop")
Attachment: (image/jpeg) Mad Pat copy.jpg [not stored]
25170 From: William Aylesworth <billyayle@h...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 9:42pm
Subject: Apology for OT post
Would like to apologize for the Off Topic post. This was ment for
Friends only. It seems that all AZ_VJC'rs are my friends as well.
Bill A.
55M38A1
25171 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 9:39pm
Subject: Re: Boggers vs TSL SX's
I OWN a set of Boggers now. I find that they tend to slip side to side
more than most. Most that I have wheeled with have also noted this
problem. It hasn't gotten me into problems (yet), but the potential is
there. Now........I would say that Boggers are probably a much better
all-around tire, though. Wanna run mud? Boggers are unmatched. Wanna
run sand? Boggers paddle like nobody's business. Wanna run rocks?
Work good, but can be outmatched. So.....all around, they are (my
opinion) the best tire.
Now, TSL/SX's. I've seen a number of them on the trails and am blown
away by how well they seem to stick. Saw some guys run Annihilaor a few
weeks ago. Almost all of them were running TSL/SXs (bead locked) and
their traction was AWESOME!
I myself am looking to go to TSL/SXs on my next go round because I
rarely (if ever) run mine in mud or sand. I pretty much hit rocks when
I go out. So Boggers are a detrement to me. If I wanted to blast up
sand or through mud and run the rocks, Boggers would be my first
choice. But it seems that TSL/SXs are unmatched in the rocks.
Just my 0.02c
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http://www.goodnet.com/~eller
25172 From: <jeep108@h...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 11:41pm
Subject: Re: Boggers vs TSL SX's
I agree with most of what Jay says,but boggers are terrible tires in
the sand.My experience is that they just sink down and dont want to
go.
Ken
--- In az_vjc@y..., Jay Eller <jay@t...> wrote:
> I OWN a set of Boggers now. I find that they tend to slip side to
side
> more than most. Most that I have wheeled with have also noted this
> problem. It hasn't gotten me into problems (yet), but the potential
is
> there. Now........I would say that Boggers are probably a much
better
> all-around tire, though. Wanna run mud? Boggers are unmatched.
Wanna
> run sand? Boggers paddle like nobody's business. Wanna run rocks?
> Work good, but can be outmatched. So.....all around, they are (my
> opinion) the best tire.
>
> Now, TSL/SX's. I've seen a number of them on the trails and am
blown
> away by how well they seem to stick. Saw some guys run Annihilaor a
few
> weeks ago. Almost all of them were running TSL/SXs (bead locked)
and
> their traction was AWESOME!
>
> I myself am looking to go to TSL/SXs on my next go round because I
> rarely (if ever) run mine in mud or sand. I pretty much hit rocks
when
> I go out. So Boggers are a detrement to me. If I wanted to blast
up
> sand or through mud and run the rocks, Boggers would be my first
> choice. But it seems that TSL/SXs are unmatched in the rocks.
>
> Just my 0.02c
>
> --
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller (still running tired, worn out Boggers)
> http://www.goodnet.com/~eller
25173 From: Scott Legge <scottlegge@h...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 11:34pm
Subject: Re: Boggers vs TSL SX's
You are the first person I have ever heard say they ride better on the street. I personally have no experience w/ interco's tire line but have heard they wear like pencil erasers. If I am way off base please correct me :)
Scott Legge
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From: hunteroffroad@aol.com
To: MudBogr@aol.com ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Boggers vs TSL SX's
I also know a few that run Boggers,and quite a few that did. Alot of them
had the explanation that the Boggers "paddle"design, allowed for the tire to
slip on the rock, left to right. I have seen this happen with my own eyes.
Swampers are more prefered tires on the trail. Plus they ride much better on
the street.
John K
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25174 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 10, 2001 9:25pm
Subject: Re: Boggers vs TSL SX's
Well, what I ment was that Swampers ride better and wear better then the
Boggers.
Or so I have been told by some of my freinds thathave run both. Does a
average swamper wear ride like a average mud terrain? No. I was strcilty
compareing the two interco models
John K
25175 From: Scott Legge <scottlegge@h...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 1:19am
Subject: Re: Boggers vs TSL SX's
Sorry. I misunderstood. I agree with the fact that boggers wear like garbage compared to just about anything short of race only type compounds..
Scott Legge
----- Original Message -----
From: HUNTEROFFROAD@aol.com
To: scottlegge@home.com ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Boggers vs TSL SX's
Well, what I ment was that Swampers ride better and wear better then the
Boggers.
Or so I have been told by some of my freinds thathave run both. Does a
average swamper wear ride like a average mud terrain? No. I was strcilty
compareing the two interco models
John K
25176 From: Rick VH <rick_vh@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 4:47am
Subject: Radiators for a TJ
Well it looks like I figured out why my TJ has been
overheating. At first thought it was the thermostat
since I never had a problem with it until this year.
It always ran about 210 degrees day or night any speed
or stuck in traffic. Lately its been overheating on
and off, mostly on the highway. Well anyhow, to make
an already long story somewhat shorter, the bottom
part of the HIGH QUALITY OEM radiator has produced a
big crack in it and started shooting out green blood
all over a parking spot today.
I have my ripoff extended warranty that i could take
it to the dealer and get another plastic one for
probably $700 after the 3rd party warranty company
refuses my claim. But I think it would be a better
idea to see if i can pickup a 3 core replacement for a
decent price. Has anyone else found a decent radiator
short of a custom made Griffen for their TJ? I was
looking around for a GDI but only saw them available
for an XJ.
TIA,
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25177 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 5:46am
Subject: Re: Radiators for a TJ
Try www.radiators.com. Free delivery and really good prices. The OEM
radiator is a piece of junk. Don't get another one. You can get a 2 core or
3 core all metal from the above site.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick VH" <rick_vh@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:47 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Radiators for a TJ
> Well it looks like I figured out why my TJ has been
> overheating. At first thought it was the thermostat
> since I never had a problem with it until this year.
> It always ran about 210 degrees day or night any speed
> or stuck in traffic. Lately its been overheating on
> and off, mostly on the highway. Well anyhow, to make
> an already long story somewhat shorter, the bottom
> part of the HIGH QUALITY OEM radiator has produced a
> big crack in it and started shooting out green blood
> all over a parking spot today.
>
> I have my ripoff extended warranty that i could take
> it to the dealer and get another plastic one for
> probably $700 after the 3rd party warranty company
> refuses my claim. But I think it would be a better
> idea to see if i can pickup a 3 core replacement for a
> decent price. Has anyone else found a decent radiator
> short of a custom made Griffen for their TJ? I was
> looking around for a GDI but only saw them available
> for an XJ.
>
> TIA,
>
> rick van hazel
>
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25178 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 5:49am
Subject: Fw: Radiators for a TJ
Corrected url is www.radiator.com.
----- Original Message -----
From: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Rick VH" <rick_vh@y...>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 5:46 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Radiators for a TJ
> Try www.radiators.com. Free delivery and really good prices. The OEM
> radiator is a piece of junk. Don't get another one. You can get a 2 core
or
> 3 core all metal from the above site.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick VH" <rick_vh@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:47 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Radiators for a TJ
>
>
> > Well it looks like I figured out why my TJ has been
> > overheating. At first thought it was the thermostat
> > since I never had a problem with it until this year.
> > It always ran about 210 degrees day or night any speed
> > or stuck in traffic. Lately its been overheating on
> > and off, mostly on the highway. Well anyhow, to make
> > an already long story somewhat shorter, the bottom
> > part of the HIGH QUALITY OEM radiator has produced a
> > big crack in it and started shooting out green blood
> > all over a parking spot today.
> >
> > I have my ripoff extended warranty that i could take
> > it to the dealer and get another plastic one for
> > probably $700 after the 3rd party warranty company
> > refuses my claim. But I think it would be a better
> > idea to see if i can pickup a 3 core replacement for a
> > decent price. Has anyone else found a decent radiator
> > short of a custom made Griffen for their TJ? I was
> > looking around for a GDI but only saw them available
> > for an XJ.
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > rick van hazel
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25179 From: David Burke <davewburke@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 11, 2001 7:23am
Subject: Re: Re: Boggers vs TSL SX's
I have run 35x15.5's TSL/SX's before the set of 35x14.5 BOGGERS that I have
currently.
The TSL/SX's worked great in the rocks, the wear was reasonable, I had
balancing
night mares with them, and ran reasonably quiet, They didnt perform as well
as I would have
liked in the sand. The boggers are not as good on rocks due to side slipping,
are way louder on
the road, are awesome in the sand. They are basically paddle tires in the
sand and if you have
enough horsepower....they will throw a roost behind you that is quite
impressive.
-Trick-cj
jeep108@h... wrote:
> I agree with most of what Jay says,but boggers are terrible tires in
> the sand.My experience is that they just sink down and dont want to
> go.
>
> Ken
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Jay Eller <jay@t...> wrote:
> > I OWN a set of Boggers now. I find that they tend to slip side to
> side
> > more than most. Most that I have wheeled with have also noted this
> > problem. It hasn't gotten me into problems (yet), but the potential
> is
> > there. Now........I would say that Boggers are probably a much
> better
> > all-around tire, though. Wanna run mud? Boggers are unmatched.
> Wanna
> > run sand? Boggers paddle like nobody's business. Wanna run rocks?
> > Work good, but can be outmatched. So.....all around, they are (my
> > opinion) the best tire.
> >
> > Now, TSL/SX's. I've seen a number of them on the trails and am
> blown
> > away by how well they seem to stick. Saw some guys run Annihilaor a
> few
> > weeks ago. Almost all of them were running TSL/SXs (bead locked)
> and
> > their traction was AWESOME!
> >
> > I myself am looking to go to TSL/SXs on my next go round because I
> > rarely (if ever) run mine in mud or sand. I pretty much hit rocks
> when
> > I go out. So Boggers are a detrement to me. If I wanted to blast
> up
> > sand or through mud and run the rocks, Boggers would be my first
> > choice. But it seems that TSL/SXs are unmatched in the rocks.
> >
> > Just my 0.02c
> >
> > --
> > ----------------------------
> > Jay Eller (still running tired, worn out Boggers)
> > http://www.goodnet.com/~eller
>
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