Liberal Media... they just don't know any better

[Joe West]

Hi All,

I've had the opportunity to spend some time with a former "anti-gun" journalist (that I've been dating since my divorce a couple of months ago) who works for a local newspaper. We've spent a fair amount of time discussing second amendment rights and how these rights are viewed at various newspapers; Everything from the Baltimore Sun to the Arizona Republic (two relatively opposite extremes on second amendment rights).

There is a common thread that I'm noticing during our discussions... Journalists are simply products of how they were raised... and those who manage to be raised in a conservative pro-freedom environment are quickly converted during their journalistic apprentice program. Imagine if you can... working for an anti-freedom newspaper, sitting in a huge open room with dozens of other journalists (and you are straight out of college) who all HATE guns. You like your job, it is a great newspaper, and you want to make friends. Do you rock the boat? Hell no... you either conform or you keep your opinions to yourself. Either of these two options result in most pro-freedom journalists being silenced (at least at the larger liberal newspapers).

In the case of the woman I am dating... she was raised on the East coast, which (in my opinion) almost automatically spells doom for any appreciation of our second amendment.

This morning... we were talking over coffee and she said "Remember... I was anti-gun". I immediately smiled and pointed out her use of the word "was"
:)

There is hope... Maybe all of you single guys should go out and date a liberal journalist and turn them around :D

Joe

[SavageSun4x4]

I have been know to convert a few:D over my 20 years of being single:eek:

[TRobertsRN]

I have never had the pleasure of turning someone from the anti gun point of view, not even my ex wife. Well done.


I disagree with antigun being a more likely thing growing up in the East. I think it much more likely if having grown up on the West Coast such as the peoples republic of california as I like to call it. I and all the relaltives I am aware of were born in Virginia, North and South Carolina and there is not an anti gun person among them.


These are all at the most one generation removed from farming families so maybe it is more of a city vs rural thing as far as where most anti gun people come from.

I would think that with the history and monuments of the revolution in the East there would be a stronger tie to the 2nd Amendment in the East. I wonder what a survey would reveal West vs East on the issures of the 2nd Amendment.

[mingoglia]

Growing up in New York I'd have to agree with Joe on this one. You can pretty much tell by the map as Democrat states tend to have much more anti gun folks. The vast majority of my family is literally terrified of guns as were friends growing up.

I moved out here when I was 15 so I wasn't really affected by my family's politics. As many I've become more and more involved with politics as I've gotten older. Since then, I've gotten more and more conservative each year. I had a rapid boost in items such as the second amendment when I was 21 and got car jacked by 3 illegal aliens by gun point. This reenforced two things. 1) My belief of everyone's right to defend themselves and 2) My strong opinions on border issues. The two illegals that they caught, I want to every court date that they had and ultimately they were deported and served no time.

Mike

[azdesertrhino]

I think folks from the Northeastern states are pretty much anti-gun, with exceptions of course. New York, Massachussetts and those areas.

When you get into the southeastern states I believe it changes and people are more pro-gun. The Carolinas, Georgia etc. Again, with exceptions.

[Joe West]

I think everyone reading this understands that I'm not talking in terms of absolutes. Indeed... few issues on the face of this planet are black and white.

JW

don't you think you are uneccesarily making the groups black/white?

[Joe West]

For the average apathetic Joe Citizen... I could care less what they believe.
I focus on elected officials as my first and foremost concern and I use voting record to determine whether or not they are anti-gun.

For your specific question below... if someone is actively against assualt rifles (i.e, contacts their government representatives,etc) then they are anti-freedom. If however, they keep their opinions to themselves because they recognize the damage they could cause to our second amendment rights; they are not anti-freedom.

Joe

so how do you decide? if someone against assualt rifles but likes handguns are they antigun?

[My1stJeep]

Is your name John?

[Sautin]

Is your name John?
HAHAHAHA, I was aking myself the same thing while I was reading. "Welcome back John!"

[Sautin]

Is your name John?
HAHAHAHA, I was aking myself the same thing while I was reading the thread.

[FrenchChili]

Maybe it's a brother of his:eek:

[Hunter]

When I first started dateing my finacee, she was, shall we say, anti gun. I asked her why and she said they scared her and everytime she has seen them, it has been envolved with bad things. (i.e. ex husband thug). "Ok, ever shoot one or handle a firearm?" I asked "No" she said,
So, I took her Caswell's and had a ball in the range. I gave her the tour and worked with my Glock. She had a ball. Ironically, a few years ago we had some major troubles with the ex. She said she flet better knowing the gun was in the house. Now, she wants her own.

[Joe West]

What I said was that I don't care about what anti-freedom people think as long as they don't vote or participate in the democratic process.

If they vote or participate in the democratic process... I begin to care about what they think and may consider trying to change their minds.

Hopefully, this makes sense.

Joe



sorry joe you left me a little confused. you said that antigun=antifreedom, but now are say that antifreedom is participating in a democratic way or not speaking up. if that is profreedom it doesn't sound very free to me.

[SavageSun4x4]

For the average apathetic Joe Citizen... I could care less what they believe.
I focus on elected officials as my first and foremost concern and I use voting record to determine whether or not they are anti-gun.

For your specific question below... if someone is actively against assualt rifles (i.e, contacts their government representatives,etc) then they are anti-freedom. If however, they keep their opinions to themselves because they recognize the damage they could cause to our second amendment rights; they are not anti-freedom.

Joe
I am with Joe on this. In fact far as I am concerned there is one and only one acid test that a canadiate or elected official has to pass. It doesn't take much of an answer, only a few words will do. The longer the answer the less I belive.

Sir, would you please tell me you stand on the RKBA 2nd Amendment? ANYTHING other I support it, I look for somebody else to give my vote too.

[Joe West]

RKBA == Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

[Blkruby]

I think folks from the Northeastern states are pretty much anti-gun, with exceptions of course. New York, Massachussetts and those areas.

When you get into the southeastern states I believe it changes and people are more pro-gun. The Carolinas, Georgia etc. Again, with exceptions.


I grow up in NJ and there was always many guns in our house.My dad was a Marine.

[azdesertrhino]

I grow up in NJ and there was always many guns in our house.My dad was a Marine.


As I stated, with exceptions. :D

Same as there are pro-gun advocates living in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia and anti-gun people living in Arizona.

[azrubyman]

I am with Joe on this. In fact far as I am concerned there is one and only one acid test that a canadiate or elected official has to pass. It doesn't take much of an answer, only a few words will do. The longer the answer the less I belive.

Sir, would you please tell me you stand on the RKBA 2nd Amendment? ANYTHING other I support it, I look for somebody else to give my vote too.

And I'm squarely with Don and Joe.
You can't just want a little freedom and be happy with giving the rest away.
Meaning the 2nd Amendment is what it is. It does not state....The right to keep and bear arms, except those arms that are deemed not worthy by someone.

Ken

[TRobertsRN]

My dad saw a bumper sticker today he liked.


Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun.

[azrubyman]

My dad saw a bumper sticker today he liked.


Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun.

Cars don't kill people, Kennedys do. :D

[Trailmix]

What I said was that I don't care about what anti-freedom people think as long as they don't vote or participate in the democratic process.

If they vote or participate in the democratic process... I begin to care about what they think and may consider trying to change their minds.

Hopefully, this makes sense.

Joe

thnaks for clearingthat up joe.

[mingoglia]

My dad saw a bumper sticker today he liked.


Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun.


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[TomHatch]

I read a bumper sticker the other day...

"I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than driving with Ted Kennedy."

[RokNRich]

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Try shooting sober, lol.

[NJSurfCowboy]

well i grew up in south jersey and i know its probably hard to believe for such a small state, but there are vast differences between north and south jersey....mind u, the state is smaller than maricopa county, but the northern part is mostly city and therefore mostly liberal, the southern half is mostly rural and thus conservative....i grew up hunting and a lot of my friends did too....all of the government in south jersey is republican (for the most part) but the larger population in and around the cities make it a blue state...

Keith

[AZdezertgirl]

Try shooting sober, lol.


haha! have you seen the one about Rosie O'Donnel..

its on my husbands Gun Owners of America shirt.. it says..

"Saying Guns kill people is like saying a Spoon made Rosie O'Donnel fat"

haha :D Ive always loved that one!

[AZdezertgirl]

also.. I changed my MOM!! she used to be anti-gun. ;)
I cannot fathom anyone being anti-gun in this messed up world!! Have they SEEN the NEWS!!! :eek:

[Antman]

I grew up in SE Tennessee and SE Arizona on the border. A Hillbilly and a Hick. Most of em are pro 2nd amendment like me.

[AZdezertgirl]

My mom grew up here.. but she grew up a girly girl.. I was the second and last child born.. so my Dad had 2 girls.. my mom couldnt have anymore kids.. and I guess since I was supposed to be a Curtis.. i ended up a Kelli and I was the tomboy that my dad taught how to quail hunt and we had matching overalls and the whole shabang! so I grew up with guns.. i will say my mom wasnt against hunting but she would freak out when she knew i was packing a gun.. it took her awhile but now she gets it.. and sometimes if we ever talk about wierdos she'll go " you just shoot his ***!" haha!!

[SavageSun4x4]

I grew up in SE Tennessee and SE Arizona on the border. A Hillbilly and a Hick. Most of em are pro 2nd amendment like me.
Time I got to be about 14 or so we moved permantly out to the ranch till I went to Nam. I didn't know much about 2nd Amendment stuff but I knew I always had a shotgun and 22 rifle in the truck. I also carried a 22 pistol with a 9 rd cyl as I rember in a hoslter that I often wore and I mean often.

Why?

One word...SNAKES and we had no shortage. Rattlers, Cottonmouths, Copperheads, Water Mocs you name it. We also had livestock and I had fence to work, I had to protect myself and my working horse. The big piney woods of East Texas is crawling with snakes, so is the stock ponds. Not unusual to kill several deadly snakes a day.

I've killed: A rattler and water moc in the living room of the house after seeing it cross the floor while we are watching TV.

[TomHatch]

I've killed: A rattler and water moc in the living room of the house after seeing it cross the floor while we are watching TV.

You've got to send that into Jeff Foxworthy. :D :D

[TomHatch]

I've killed: A rattler and water moc in the living room of the house after seeing it cross the floor while we are watching TV.

You've got to send that to Jeff Foxworthy. :D :D

[Antman]

I saw more snakes as a kid in Tennessee in one summer than I have the whole rest of my life here in Arizona! And I get into the boonies regularly.

[Antman]

I've killed: A rattler and water moc in the living room of the house after seeing it cross the floor while we are watching TV.

Sorry, we just didnt allow them in the house.:rolleyes:

[FrenchChili]

You've got to send that into Jeff Foxworthy. :D :D

You've got to send that into Jeff Foxworthy. :D :D


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:D:D:D

[SavageSun4x4]

Sorry, we just didnt allow them in the house.:rolleyes:
City boy:D