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24879 From: Frank and Amanda Zepeda <zepeda199@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 5:24pm
Subject: Buying a new jeep
I'm trying to find a good friend of mine a good deal
on a new jeep. He has always wanted a jeep and he has
been saving for quite some time now, and has a
considerable amount of money to put down. Anyways, he
knows exactly what he wants but wants to avoid
ordering from the factory, so he is willing to bend on
a few things. What I would like to find out from the
group since I'm new to the area is, who in the greater
Pheonix area has the best deals or salesperson willing
to work for his money. Any comments on the buying
experience in the Pheonix scene would be appreciated.
Thanks alot.
FRZ
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24880 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 1:27pm
Subject: Roll Bar padding
Does anyone know where I can get the colored foam roll bar
padding...anything I use that has material to it is fading in a month.
thanks
Sharky
24881 From: Joey K <joey@j...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 5:27pm
Subject: OT: Attn: Chris R.
All sorry for the post but my reply's to Chris are not going thru.
Thanks for your understanding.
Chris,
What's up with excite mail?? I have sent at least 3 replys all refused.
Email me off list. don't want to offend anyone.
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<My1stJeep@e...>... Deferred: Connection refused by mta.excite.com.
Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
Will keep trying until message is 3 days old
Joey K.
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
24882 From: Eric Herring <herring@q...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 5:39pm
Subject: RE: Roll Bar padding
Lopers has it.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: sharxjeep@c... [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:28 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Roll Bar padding
Does anyone know where I can get the colored foam roll bar
padding...anything I use that has material to it is fading in a month.
thanks
Sharky
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24883 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 5:58pm
Subject: RE: Buying a new jeep
Here's what works at all local dealerships... but Earnhardt's sells the most
Jeeps here in the state and probably has the most profit margin so it may be
easier to squeeze a bit more out of them.
The steps are:
Get on the internet and RESEARCH the vehicle you want. Print out dealer
cost (invoice) information as well as MSRP information which can be found
on:
http://www.kbb.com
AND
http://www.edmunds.com
Go to both sites and print out everything you can concerning the vehicle you
are interested in.
Then... figure out what dealer cost is for the exact vehicle you want with
the exact options you want and walk into the dealership of your choice with
every piece of paperwork you printed, as well as a list of the vehicle and
options you want.
Place the stack of paperwork on Mr/Ms Salesperson's desk and say:
"I'd like to purchase this vehicle with these options at invoice cost, can
you do it, yes or no?"
"If the answer is no, I don't want to haggle about it, I'm in a hurry and I
don't want to waste your time, or my own time. I'll go to another dealership
if you can't meet my price."
Make sure that they see you have edmunds AND Kelly Blue Book pricing... make
sure that they see stacks and stacks of research paperwork. Once they know
you've done your homework, they will probably just meet your price to make a
quick sale.
Please note that dealerships still make a profit on even invoice pricing.
If you'd like, you can set your price to less than invoice and mention the
words "dealer holdback"... they will get the picture. If you pinch it too
tight though, you'll just be wasting your time. I've had really good luck
getting vehicles at invoice, and once, just once, I got one below invoice.
Make sure you research the REBATES and INCENTIVES (they are different) and
take whatever they are and deduct them from INVOICE pricing. If there are
rebates and/or incentives on the vehicle you want; you can get them
SIGNIFICANTLY lower than invoice cost.
Good luck and do your homework.
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank and Amanda Zepeda [mailto:zepeda199@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:25 PM
> To: AZ VJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] Buying a new jeep
>
>
> I'm trying to find a good friend of mine a good deal
> on a new jeep. He has always wanted a jeep and he has
> been saving for quite some time now, and has a
> considerable amount of money to put down. Anyways, he
> knows exactly what he wants but wants to avoid
> ordering from the factory, so he is willing to bend on
> a few things. What I would like to find out from the
> group since I'm new to the area is, who in the greater
> Pheonix area has the best deals or salesperson willing
> to work for his money. Any comments on the buying
> experience in the Pheonix scene would be appreciated.
> Thanks alot.
> FRZ
>
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24884 From: Joey K <joey@j...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 6:10pm
Subject: RE: Buying a new jeep
When I get my next vehicle I am taking Joe for support!!! And give him a
percentage of what I save. ;-)
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@h...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:58 PM
> To: 'Frank and Amanda Zepeda'; 'AZ VJC'
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Buying a new jeep
>
>
> Here's what works at all local dealerships... but Earnhardt's
> sells the most
> Jeeps here in the state and probably has the most profit margin
> so it may be
> easier to squeeze a bit more out of them.
>
> The steps are:
>
> Get on the internet and RESEARCH the vehicle you want. Print out dealer
> cost (invoice) information as well as MSRP information which can be found
> on:
>
> http://www.kbb.com
>
> AND
>
> http://www.edmunds.com
>
>
> Go to both sites and print out everything you can concerning the
> vehicle you
> are interested in.
>
> Then... figure out what dealer cost is for the exact vehicle you want with
> the exact options you want and walk into the dealership of your
> choice with
> every piece of paperwork you printed, as well as a list of the vehicle and
> options you want.
>
> Place the stack of paperwork on Mr/Ms Salesperson's desk and say:
>
> "I'd like to purchase this vehicle with these options at invoice cost, can
> you do it, yes or no?"
> "If the answer is no, I don't want to haggle about it, I'm in a
> hurry and I
> don't want to waste your time, or my own time. I'll go to another
> dealership
> if you can't meet my price."
>
> Make sure that they see you have edmunds AND Kelly Blue Book
> pricing... make
> sure that they see stacks and stacks of research paperwork. Once
> they know
> you've done your homework, they will probably just meet your
> price to make a
> quick sale.
>
> Please note that dealerships still make a profit on even invoice pricing.
> If you'd like, you can set your price to less than invoice and mention the
> words "dealer holdback"... they will get the picture. If you pinch it too
> tight though, you'll just be wasting your time. I've had really good luck
> getting vehicles at invoice, and once, just once, I got one below invoice.
>
> Make sure you research the REBATES and INCENTIVES (they are different) and
> take whatever they are and deduct them from INVOICE pricing. If there are
> rebates and/or incentives on the vehicle you want; you can get them
> SIGNIFICANTLY lower than invoice cost.
>
> Good luck and do your homework.
>
>
> Joe West
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank and Amanda Zepeda [mailto:zepeda199@y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:25 PM
> > To: AZ VJC
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Buying a new jeep
> >
> >
> > I'm trying to find a good friend of mine a good deal
> > on a new jeep. He has always wanted a jeep and he has
> > been saving for quite some time now, and has a
> > considerable amount of money to put down. Anyways, he
> > knows exactly what he wants but wants to avoid
> > ordering from the factory, so he is willing to bend on
> > a few things. What I would like to find out from the
> > group since I'm new to the area is, who in the greater
> > Pheonix area has the best deals or salesperson willing
> > to work for his money. Any comments on the buying
> > experience in the Pheonix scene would be appreciated.
> > Thanks alot.
> > FRZ
> >
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24885 From: <jeeperaz@q...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 6:17pm
Subject: Re: Buying a new jeep
I did the very thing Joe mentioned at Earnhardts. I paid exactly what
I wanted and was in and out of there in two hours (including test
drive time).
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> wrote:
> Here's what works at all local dealerships... but Earnhardt's sells
the most
> Jeeps here in the state and probably has the most profit margin so
it may be
> easier to squeeze a bit more out of them.
>
> The steps are:
>
> Get on the internet and RESEARCH the vehicle you want. Print out
dealer
> cost (invoice) information as well as MSRP information which can be
found
> on:
>
> http://www.kbb.com
>
> AND
>
> http://www.edmunds.com
>
>
> Go to both sites and print out everything you can concerning the
vehicle you
> are interested in.
>
> Then... figure out what dealer cost is for the exact vehicle you
want with
> the exact options you want and walk into the dealership of your
choice with
> every piece of paperwork you printed, as well as a list of the
vehicle and
> options you want.
>
> Place the stack of paperwork on Mr/Ms Salesperson's desk and say:
>
> "I'd like to purchase this vehicle with these options at invoice
cost, can
> you do it, yes or no?"
> "If the answer is no, I don't want to haggle about it, I'm in a
hurry and I
> don't want to waste your time, or my own time. I'll go to another
dealership
> if you can't meet my price."
>
> Make sure that they see you have edmunds AND Kelly Blue Book
pricing... make
> sure that they see stacks and stacks of research paperwork. Once
they know
> you've done your homework, they will probably just meet your price
to make a
> quick sale.
>
> Please note that dealerships still make a profit on even invoice
pricing.
> If you'd like, you can set your price to less than invoice and
mention the
> words "dealer holdback"... they will get the picture. If you pinch
it too
> tight though, you'll just be wasting your time. I've had really
good luck
> getting vehicles at invoice, and once, just once, I got one below
invoice.
>
> Make sure you research the REBATES and INCENTIVES (they are
different) and
> take whatever they are and deduct them from INVOICE pricing. If
there are
> rebates and/or incentives on the vehicle you want; you can get them
> SIGNIFICANTLY lower than invoice cost.
>
> Good luck and do your homework.
>
>
> Joe West
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank and Amanda Zepeda [mailto:zepeda199@y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:25 PM
> > To: AZ VJC
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Buying a new jeep
> >
> >
> > I'm trying to find a good friend of mine a good deal
> > on a new jeep. He has always wanted a jeep and he has
> > been saving for quite some time now, and has a
> > considerable amount of money to put down. Anyways, he
> > knows exactly what he wants but wants to avoid
> > ordering from the factory, so he is willing to bend on
> > a few things. What I would like to find out from the
> > group since I'm new to the area is, who in the greater
> > Pheonix area has the best deals or salesperson willing
> > to work for his money. Any comments on the buying
> > experience in the Pheonix scene would be appreciated.
> > Thanks alot.
> > FRZ
> >
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24886 From: Eric Herring <herring@q...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 6:28pm
Subject: RE: Buying a new jeep
I have to agree. Back in 93 I went dealer to dealer getting them to beat
each others price. Earnhardt was the cheapest by quite a bit. I got a 94
Wrangler S with A/C for 10,300 out the door.
Also carsdirect.com & cars.com have good prices. Just print out a quote from
them & take it with you to the dealer.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@h...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:58 PM
To: 'Frank and Amanda Zepeda'; 'AZ VJC'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Buying a new jeep
Here's what works at all local dealerships... but Earnhardt's sells the most
Jeeps here in the state and probably has the most profit margin so it may be
easier to squeeze a bit more out of them.
The steps are:
Get on the internet and RESEARCH the vehicle you want. Print out dealer
cost (invoice) information as well as MSRP information which can be found
on:
http://www.kbb.com
AND
http://www.edmunds.com
Go to both sites and print out everything you can concerning the vehicle you
are interested in.
Then... figure out what dealer cost is for the exact vehicle you want with
the exact options you want and walk into the dealership of your choice with
every piece of paperwork you printed, as well as a list of the vehicle and
options you want.
Place the stack of paperwork on Mr/Ms Salesperson's desk and say:
"I'd like to purchase this vehicle with these options at invoice cost, can
you do it, yes or no?"
"If the answer is no, I don't want to haggle about it, I'm in a hurry and I
don't want to waste your time, or my own time. I'll go to another dealership
if you can't meet my price."
Make sure that they see you have edmunds AND Kelly Blue Book pricing... make
sure that they see stacks and stacks of research paperwork. Once they know
you've done your homework, they will probably just meet your price to make a
quick sale.
Please note that dealerships still make a profit on even invoice pricing.
If you'd like, you can set your price to less than invoice and mention the
words "dealer holdback"... they will get the picture. If you pinch it too
tight though, you'll just be wasting your time. I've had really good luck
getting vehicles at invoice, and once, just once, I got one below invoice.
Make sure you research the REBATES and INCENTIVES (they are different) and
take whatever they are and deduct them from INVOICE pricing. If there are
rebates and/or incentives on the vehicle you want; you can get them
SIGNIFICANTLY lower than invoice cost.
Good luck and do your homework.
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank and Amanda Zepeda [mailto:zepeda199@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:25 PM
> To: AZ VJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] Buying a new jeep
>
>
> I'm trying to find a good friend of mine a good deal
> on a new jeep. He has always wanted a jeep and he has
> been saving for quite some time now, and has a
> considerable amount of money to put down. Anyways, he
> knows exactly what he wants but wants to avoid
> ordering from the factory, so he is willing to bend on
> a few things. What I would like to find out from the
> group since I'm new to the area is, who in the greater
> Pheonix area has the best deals or salesperson willing
> to work for his money. Any comments on the buying
> experience in the Pheonix scene would be appreciated.
> Thanks alot.
> FRZ
>
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24887 From: <ALIRAL17@A...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 2:27pm
Subject: LOOKING FOR KEIRIVAN DAVISONS E-MAIL ADDRESS
JUST LOOKING FOR KEIRIVANS E-MAIL ADDRESS. THANKS.
BRANDON
24888 From: Garrison St.Clair <gunslinger@i...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 6:39pm
Subject: Re: Buying a new jeep
Adding to what Joe said:
The "holdback" on Jeeps is 3% of MSRP.
Consumer Incentives are listed on DC's website.
Dealer "cash back" can be found on various website. These payments change
frequently and vary by state/region.
The dealer will add to the "invoice" cost a charge DC makes for advertising.
In general, you should be able to buy at invoice LESS any consumer
incentives PLUS advertising.
A VERY IMPORTANT TIP: About a week before the end of the month go to all the
local dealers and find a Jeep that is ON the lot that you would be happy
with. Don't buy it. Go back on the very last day of the month and make
your offer. Every dealership reports monthly sales to DC; they often have
financial incentives to hit certain gross sales, model sales, etc. Every
salesman, and more importantly every sales manager works on commission and
additional incentives. On the last day of the month they will make deals
they would not otherwise consider. They very often will give up the "dealer
cash" on the last day.
BTW, don't let them take you for a ride on the financing. dealers make
large amounts of their profit from financing. Info on financing is also
available on the web. You will probably get a better rate, if you have good
credit, from your bank. And it goes without saying that you don't buy
insurance, undercoating, etc. from the dealer.
Hope this helps.
Gunslinger
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...>
To: "'Frank and Amanda Zepeda'" <zepeda199@y...>; "'AZ VJC'"
<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 05 June, 2001 19:58
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Buying a new jeep
> Here's what works at all local dealerships... but Earnhardt's sells the
most
> Jeeps here in the state and probably has the most profit margin so it may
be
> easier to squeeze a bit more out of them.
>
> The steps are:
>
> Get on the internet and RESEARCH the vehicle you want. Print out dealer
> cost (invoice) information as well as MSRP information which can be found
> on:
>
> http://www.kbb.com
>
> AND
>
> http://www.edmunds.com
>
>
> Go to both sites and print out everything you can concerning the vehicle
you
> are interested in.
>
> Then... figure out what dealer cost is for the exact vehicle you want with
> the exact options you want and walk into the dealership of your choice
with
> every piece of paperwork you printed, as well as a list of the vehicle and
> options you want.
>
> Place the stack of paperwork on Mr/Ms Salesperson's desk and say:
>
> "I'd like to purchase this vehicle with these options at invoice cost, can
> you do it, yes or no?"
> "If the answer is no, I don't want to haggle about it, I'm in a hurry and
I
> don't want to waste your time, or my own time. I'll go to another
dealership
> if you can't meet my price."
>
> Make sure that they see you have edmunds AND Kelly Blue Book pricing...
make
> sure that they see stacks and stacks of research paperwork. Once they
know
> you've done your homework, they will probably just meet your price to make
a
> quick sale.
>
> Please note that dealerships still make a profit on even invoice pricing.
> If you'd like, you can set your price to less than invoice and mention the
> words "dealer holdback"... they will get the picture. If you pinch it too
> tight though, you'll just be wasting your time. I've had really good luck
> getting vehicles at invoice, and once, just once, I got one below invoice.
>
> Make sure you research the REBATES and INCENTIVES (they are different) and
> take whatever they are and deduct them from INVOICE pricing. If there are
> rebates and/or incentives on the vehicle you want; you can get them
> SIGNIFICANTLY lower than invoice cost.
>
> Good luck and do your homework.
>
>
> Joe West
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank and Amanda Zepeda [mailto:zepeda199@y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:25 PM
> > To: AZ VJC
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Buying a new jeep
> >
> >
> > I'm trying to find a good friend of mine a good deal
> > on a new jeep. He has always wanted a jeep and he has
> > been saving for quite some time now, and has a
> > considerable amount of money to put down. Anyways, he
> > knows exactly what he wants but wants to avoid
> > ordering from the factory, so he is willing to bend on
> > a few things. What I would like to find out from the
> > group since I'm new to the area is, who in the greater
> > Pheonix area has the best deals or salesperson willing
> > to work for his money. Any comments on the buying
> > experience in the Pheonix scene would be appreciated.
> > Thanks alot.
> > FRZ
24889 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 7:29pm
Subject: RE: Roll Bar padding
To spin off an old quote from Henry Ford...."You can have any color you want
as long as it is black". 4 Wheelers Supply carrys roll bar padding in
black. It would contrast nicely with your red. ;)
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: sharxjeep@c... [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:28 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Roll Bar padding
Does anyone know where I can get the colored foam roll bar
padding...anything I use that has material to it is fading in a month.
thanks
Sharky
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
24890 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 7:42pm
Subject: Re: Roll Bar padding
4 Wheeler Supply has padding, though I'm not sure of the color selection.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: <sharxjeep@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:27 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Roll Bar padding
> Does anyone know where I can get the colored foam roll bar
> padding...anything I use that has material to it is fading in a month.
>
> thanks
> Sharky
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
24891 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 3:41pm
Subject: "FS" TJ Hard Top for sale
My Father is selling his 98 TJ Hardtop. He is asking 1000.00 OBO
* Is the darker Tan color/or Spice color
* Tinted windows
* New rear wiper blade assembly
* Has the defrost rear window option.
* Is in good condtion, very little wear and tear. No dings or dents. (His
son is all
grown up and his own 4x4s to trash)
My dad lives in Chandler if you would like to take a look at it
You can reply to email or call me at the shop 480-557-7577
Thanks John K
24892 From: Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 7:45pm
Subject: RAW DEAL WED NITE???
I want to run RAW-DEAL tomorrow night , a friend of mine is in town from
VA, and I want to get him hooked on JEEPIN.... (He's moving to AZ in
Aug.01) Anyone want to go? Around 7:30-8:00... How 'bout Upper R-D
Backwards???
Russ 623-465-2939
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24893 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 8:44pm
Subject: Re: Buying a new jeep
Do reaserch on MSN Carpoint and find out what the MSRP is for the Jeep he
wants. Go to each dealer with the sheet, and see how close each one gets.
Tell them you are going to shop around for the best price, and make them
give you a quote in writing! I had a great experiance with Earnhardts,
many others hate them, but they do have the biggest and prob the best
selection in town. With their big selection, you will get a price that
you are looking for. The other dealer on the east side is Darners.
Good Luck!
--- Frank and Amanda Zepeda <zepeda199@y...> wrote:
> I'm trying to find a good friend of mine a good deal
> on a new jeep. He has always wanted a jeep and he has
> been saving for quite some time now, and has a
> considerable amount of money to put down. Anyways, he
> knows exactly what he wants but wants to avoid
> ordering from the factory, so he is willing to bend on
> a few things. What I would like to find out from the
> group since I'm new to the area is, who in the greater
> Pheonix area has the best deals or salesperson willing
> to work for his money. Any comments on the buying
> experience in the Pheonix scene would be appreciated.
> Thanks alot.
> FRZ
>
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2001 TJ
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24894 From: Gary MacLaren <gmaclaren@c...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 8:50pm
Subject: Dealing with the Dealers Service Department - an ORC FAQ.htm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dealing with the Service Department
A primer on getting your vehicle fixed under warrantee
By Jack Longmont
What do you do when you've brought your new 4x4 in for service and you're told "it can't be fixed, they all do that, we can't find anything wrong with it..."?
A common problem with a simple answer-be persistent!
Here's a little background. I have been involved in the automobile business for 7 years as a salesperson and inventory manager. I can tell you quite a bit about how to deal with a recalcitrant service writer and get yourself some satisfaction!
The first thing to remember is that the service writer has the hardest job in the dealership. Everyone wants their car fixed now, everyone wants their vehicle to have priority. The service writer performs a delicate balancing act trying to keep everyone happy and also trying to productively schedule his mechanics for the whole day and week. Unfortunately many of them do this badly. That said, of course as a customer you only care about your vehicle and getting it fixed in a timely manner, and fixed correctly the first time. There are right and wrong ways to go about this.
The best example is a customer of mine, let's just call her Erin, who bought a Jeep Grand Cherokee V8 from me. She lived a long way away from the dealership, up in the mountains and had a long drive to and from work every day. Erin and her husband noticed the transmission was acting funny and brought it in for examination. This was a well-to-do couple who have owned a number of luxury cars, Audis, Porsches, Saabs and some Jeeps. They knew what they were talking about when they said their car had a transmission problem. The service department, as always seems to be the case, couldn't replicate the problem and told them their was nothing wrong.
A week later they were back, stating very matter-of-factly that there was a problem with their transmission and they wanted it fixed. Again, no problem found. Again, they brought it back. This happened several times. Needless to say they were upset at the time they had to spend trying to get the problem fixed and still no resolution. Sound familiar? They of course came to me, their salesman, and here's what I told them to do.
The rules vary somewhat by state but generally read that after a certain number of repeat visits for the same problem, whether it's been replicated or not, a customer has some recourse.
If it is determined that the vehicle cannot be fixed, you can, under most state Lemon Laws either: a) Get your money refunded, less a certain amount of use that you have had before the problem, or b) Get a new vehicle. The procedure is usually a long hard haul, but you'll get there.
Every manufacturer has a customer service department. The contact number will be in your owners manual, probably in the back. Call the number. Keep documentation of your service visits so you can prove your case. The manufacturer will send a representative to the dealership regularly to deal with service and warranty problems. An appointment will be made for you to come in and see this person and have them look at your vehicle. If you've been having a serious problem with a particular dealership, sometimes they will meet you at another dealership, "neutral ground" so to speak. This usually gets the vehicle fixed, but not always. The key is persistence . The squeaky wheel gets the grease you know.
My customer Erin went through this process, and got a new transmission, with an admission from the District Rep (this is what Chrysler calls him anyway) that there was a known transmission problem This is known as a "silent recall", where the manufacturer is aware of a problem, but there either are not enough people complaining or they've managed to keep it quiet. The only way to get service under a "silent recall" is to complain, loudly, until you are satisfied.
The new transmission was not the end of Erin's problems. The Jeep started acting up again, same problem, with the new tranny. This time, the District Rep offered them a $2,000 voucher to trade in their not-quite 1 year old vehicle on a new one. The 2 G's was to soften the blow of depreciation that their vehicle had suffered during that time to make the problem go away. And they did buy a new one, a Limited model this time, that they are happy with. Interestingly enough, the dealer sold the trade-in to someone else who, to my knowledge, has never complained about the transmission.
What should you do? If your vehicle is not being repaired to your satisfaction, your first step should be to talk to the service manager. This is the "boss" of the service department and sometimes once you speak to him your problems are over. The next step is to see the General Manager or even the owner, the Dealer himself. Chrysler actually spells this procedure out in their warranty literature that comes with every new vehicle. If the GM or the owner don't deal with your problem satisfactorily, then you contact the manufacturer. There will be a local office from which someone will be dispatched to help you. Probably they will want you to call the 800 number and not contact the local office directly. If you can find out the local number, from your salesman probably, I would call that and the 800 number. Once the manufacturer is involved, your problem should go away - quickly.
It's disappointing when your new vehicle starts acting up, and even more so when you feel you are being ignored or just not being treated fairly by the service department. Every manufacturer has programs in place to deal with these sorts of problems, and every dealer is rated for their C.S.I., or Customer Satisfaction Index. Surveys are sent to you when you buy a new vehicle and every time you service it. Fill them out and send 'em back. It's the only way to let the manufacturer know the good dealers form the bad, and it does matter to the dealership, believe me. High scores mean more allocation and bonus money and the dealer wants that money.
You can get satisfaction with a nagging service problem. It might be a long haul, but eventually it will be fixed, your money will be refunded or you'll get a new vehicle. Be persistent. Don't back down. Let them know you won't be dissuaded. And good luck!
[ Click Here for a list of corporate service contacts ]
PJ (Jack) Longmont, Colorado
No Longer a Jeep Salesman,
But I play one on the Web!
http://www.cris.com/~pjacke
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24895 From: Leah & Geoff <leahlsq@q...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 9:13pm
Subject: Re: Tucson OHV Park to Open end of month
I was just out there tonight.
I had some fun too!
I made it all the way through the mud bog!!
(it didn't have any water yet ;-) )
I was the first one on the desert trail.
I have not read the article yet but,
If the Tucson Rough Riders don't get some more
help we are going to loose it by the end of this month!!!!
No one else is helping the with planning, making suggestions or
working out there. I know there is six miles of fencing
that needs to be done before it opens.
The same five fourwheelers seem work on everything in this town
and the rest just sit back and let them do it.
I hope you all get to enjoy it.
Leah 94YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: JEEP THANG <jeep_thang@h...>
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 12:24 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Tucson OHV Park to Open end of month
>For all who did not know, the Pima County OHV Park will be opening
>at the end of this month. Got Check it out.
>
>http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/local/
>
>ANd read all about it.
>
>WoooHooo
>
>Sincerely: JEEP THANG
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
24896 From: <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 10:05pm
Subject: First trip
I would like to go jeepin' this weekend, and since I haven't been
on a AZVJC trip yet, I was hoping that someone would be leading
something pretty fun. If anyone is going anywhere (that leaves it
fairly open...) this weekend please let me know. I have 31s and a
new rear locker that needs some lovin'! I have done a lot of jeepin'
in Colorado, and I've done Crown King too many times, Bartlett Lake,
and the like. I am looking for something a bit more challenging, but
I don't know where to go.
Email me at jeepindog@h... or give me a call at
602.705.6984 and give me the word.
Thanks,
Lachlan '98 TJ
o|||||o
24897 From: Joey K <joey@j...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 10:42pm
Subject: RE: First trip
There are two runs this weekend posted. Sycamore Creek and Gila Monster in
White Tanks. You might find Gila Monster a good test for that new locker.
Joey K.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 10:06 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] First trip
>
>
> I would like to go jeepin' this weekend, and since I haven't been
> on a AZVJC trip yet, I was hoping that someone would be leading
> something pretty fun. If anyone is going anywhere (that leaves it
> fairly open...) this weekend please let me know. I have 31s and a
> new rear locker that needs some lovin'! I have done a lot of jeepin'
> in Colorado, and I've done Crown King too many times, Bartlett Lake,
> and the like. I am looking for something a bit more challenging, but
> I don't know where to go.
>
> Email me at jeepindog@h... or give me a call at
> 602.705.6984 and give me the word.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lachlan '98 TJ
>
> o|||||o
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
24898 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 11:26pm
Subject: Re: Who's Jeep is This?
No way, build a hood and fenders out of .250 wall tube, add
sheetmetal for a hood and fender tops. Ditch the windsheild
completely and buy motorcycle goggles!!! = )
Chris M
> It can be saved. A new windshield frame & a fiberglass front end &
it'll be
> good as new.
>
> Or at least good enough to rock crawl.
>
> Eric Herring 92XJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joey K [mailto:joey@j...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 4:26 PM
> To: Brent Lizakowski; az_vjc@y...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Who's Jeep is This?
>
>
> Please let's all observe a moment of silence for our fallen Jeep.
> May all the donor recipients carry on this Jeeps legacy.
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ waitin' for new shoes
> www.desertjeep.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brent Lizakowski [mailto:brent_lizakowski@h...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 2:58 PM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Who's Jeep is This?
> >
> >
> > Who's Jeep is this?
> >
> > http://copartfinder.com/pix/20001127/07044200_4X.jpg
> >
> > Looks like an AZVJC sticker on the side.
> >
> > What happened?
> >
> > Hope everyone is OK.
> >
> > Brent
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
24899 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 11:36pm
Subject: Re: First trip
RAW DEAL!!! I did this run at like 2 am after the Terminator clean-
up. My jeep had 31's and a locker, with stock suspension, and with
some good spotting I made it.
Chris M
87 YJ
"When in doubt, throttle out."
--- In az_vjc@y..., jeepindog@y... wrote:
> I would like to go jeepin' this weekend, and since I haven't
been
> on a AZVJC trip yet, I was hoping that someone would be leading
> something pretty fun. If anyone is going anywhere (that leaves it
> fairly open...) this weekend please let me know. I have 31s and a
> new rear locker that needs some lovin'! I have done a lot of
jeepin'
> in Colorado, and I've done Crown King too many times, Bartlett
Lake,
> and the like. I am looking for something a bit more challenging,
but
> I don't know where to go.
>
> Email me at jeepindog@h... or give me a call at
> 602.705.6984 and give me the word.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lachlan '98 TJ
>
> o|||||o
24900 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 11:43pm
Subject: Spare tranny parts/d44 front questions
Where can I buy spare synchronizers and bearing/seal kits? I think
these items would be good to keep on hand for an NP435 ford tranny.
Also, is the Ford D35 hub assembly compatible with a waggy d44 front
axle? I need to keep the 5 on 4.5 bolt pattern, and I thought d30
knuckels and hubs worked on d44 axles, I was wondering if d35
knuckles and hubs matched as well. Also, is the width of a waggy d44
front is comparable to an explorer 8.8 rear axle. Hope someone knows
this!
Chris M
87 YJ turd brown w/stuff
24901 From: Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...>
Date: Wed Jun 6, 2001 5:58am
Subject: Re: Buying a new jeep
Dont forget to get your loan from YOUR bank or credit union. That way
you avoid their 'other' games!!!! The dealers biggest profit center is
financing.
Russ
Joe W wrote:
>
> Here's what works at all local dealerships... but Earnhardt's sells the most
> Jeeps here in the state and probably has the most profit margin so it may be
> easier to squeeze a bit more out of them.
>
> The steps are:
>
> Get on the internet and RESEARCH the vehicle you want. Print out dealer
> cost (invoice) information as well as MSRP information which can be found
> on:
>
> http://www.kbb.com
>
> AND
>
> http://www.edmunds.com
>
> Go to both sites and print out everything you can concerning the vehicle you
> are interested in.
>
> Then... figure out what dealer cost is for the exact vehicle you want with
> the exact options you want and walk into the dealership of your choice with
> every piece of paperwork you printed, as well as a list of the vehicle and
> options you want.
>
> Place the stack of paperwork on Mr/Ms Salesperson's desk and say:
>
> "I'd like to purchase this vehicle with these options at invoice cost, can
> you do it, yes or no?"
> "If the answer is no, I don't want to haggle about it, I'm in a hurry and I
> don't want to waste your time, or my own time. I'll go to another dealership
> if you can't meet my price."
>
> Make sure that they see you have edmunds AND Kelly Blue Book pricing... make
> sure that they see stacks and stacks of research paperwork. Once they know
> you've done your homework, they will probably just meet your price to make a
> quick sale.
>
> Please note that dealerships still make a profit on even invoice pricing.
> If you'd like, you can set your price to less than invoice and mention the
> words "dealer holdback"... they will get the picture. If you pinch it too
> tight though, you'll just be wasting your time. I've had really good luck
> getting vehicles at invoice, and once, just once, I got one below invoice.
>
> Make sure you research the REBATES and INCENTIVES (they are different) and
> take whatever they are and deduct them from INVOICE pricing. If there are
> rebates and/or incentives on the vehicle you want; you can get them
> SIGNIFICANTLY lower than invoice cost.
>
> Good luck and do your homework.
>
> Joe West
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank and Amanda Zepeda [mailto:zepeda199@y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:25 PM
> > To: AZ VJC
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Buying a new jeep
> >
> >
> > I'm trying to find a good friend of mine a good deal
> > on a new jeep. He has always wanted a jeep and he has
> > been saving for quite some time now, and has a
> > considerable amount of money to put down. Anyways, he
> > knows exactly what he wants but wants to avoid
> > ordering from the factory, so he is willing to bend on
> > a few things. What I would like to find out from the
> > group since I'm new to the area is, who in the greater
> > Pheonix area has the best deals or salesperson willing
> > to work for his money. Any comments on the buying
> > experience in the Pheonix scene would be appreciated.
> > Thanks alot.
> > FRZ
> >
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> >
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24902 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Jun 6, 2001 7:28am
Subject: Tire softness/stickyness chart
A while back somebody posted a tire chart that showed stickyness. Can
whoever posted this chart post it in the "Database" section for
reference?
Thanks,
--James
24903 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Wed Jun 6, 2001 7:52am
Subject: Re: Buying a new jeep
Mike Baney wrote:
> Do reaserch on MSN Carpoint and find out what the MSRP is for the Jeep he
> wants. Go to each dealer with the sheet, and see how close each one gets.
I haven't found a dealer yet that wasn't willing to sell nearly ANY car
below MSRP. In general, you should be able to get Invoice ~to~ Invoice +
1-2% at MOST. NEVER pay MSRP.
24879 From: Frank and Amanda Zepeda <zepeda199@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 5:24pm
Subject: Buying a new jeep
I'm trying to find a good friend of mine a good deal
on a new jeep. He has always wanted a jeep and he has
been saving for quite some time now, and has a
considerable amount of money to put down. Anyways, he
knows exactly what he wants but wants to avoid
ordering from the factory, so he is willing to bend on
a few things. What I would like to find out from the
group since I'm new to the area is, who in the greater
Pheonix area has the best deals or salesperson willing
to work for his money. Any comments on the buying
experience in the Pheonix scene would be appreciated.
Thanks alot.
FRZ
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24880 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 1:27pm
Subject: Roll Bar padding
Does anyone know where I can get the colored foam roll bar
padding...anything I use that has material to it is fading in a month.
thanks
Sharky
24881 From: Joey K <joey@j...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 5:27pm
Subject: OT: Attn: Chris R.
All sorry for the post but my reply's to Chris are not going thru.
Thanks for your understanding.
Chris,
What's up with excite mail?? I have sent at least 3 replys all refused.
Email me off list. don't want to offend anyone.
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Warning: message still undelivered after 4 hours
Will keep trying until message is 3 days old
Joey K.
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
24882 From: Eric Herring <herring@q...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 5:39pm
Subject: RE: Roll Bar padding
Lopers has it.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: sharxjeep@c... [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:28 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Roll Bar padding
Does anyone know where I can get the colored foam roll bar
padding...anything I use that has material to it is fading in a month.
thanks
Sharky
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24883 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 5:58pm
Subject: RE: Buying a new jeep
Here's what works at all local dealerships... but Earnhardt's sells the most
Jeeps here in the state and probably has the most profit margin so it may be
easier to squeeze a bit more out of them.
The steps are:
Get on the internet and RESEARCH the vehicle you want. Print out dealer
cost (invoice) information as well as MSRP information which can be found
on:
http://www.kbb.com
AND
http://www.edmunds.com
Go to both sites and print out everything you can concerning the vehicle you
are interested in.
Then... figure out what dealer cost is for the exact vehicle you want with
the exact options you want and walk into the dealership of your choice with
every piece of paperwork you printed, as well as a list of the vehicle and
options you want.
Place the stack of paperwork on Mr/Ms Salesperson's desk and say:
"I'd like to purchase this vehicle with these options at invoice cost, can
you do it, yes or no?"
"If the answer is no, I don't want to haggle about it, I'm in a hurry and I
don't want to waste your time, or my own time. I'll go to another dealership
if you can't meet my price."
Make sure that they see you have edmunds AND Kelly Blue Book pricing... make
sure that they see stacks and stacks of research paperwork. Once they know
you've done your homework, they will probably just meet your price to make a
quick sale.
Please note that dealerships still make a profit on even invoice pricing.
If you'd like, you can set your price to less than invoice and mention the
words "dealer holdback"... they will get the picture. If you pinch it too
tight though, you'll just be wasting your time. I've had really good luck
getting vehicles at invoice, and once, just once, I got one below invoice.
Make sure you research the REBATES and INCENTIVES (they are different) and
take whatever they are and deduct them from INVOICE pricing. If there are
rebates and/or incentives on the vehicle you want; you can get them
SIGNIFICANTLY lower than invoice cost.
Good luck and do your homework.
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank and Amanda Zepeda [mailto:zepeda199@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:25 PM
> To: AZ VJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] Buying a new jeep
>
>
> I'm trying to find a good friend of mine a good deal
> on a new jeep. He has always wanted a jeep and he has
> been saving for quite some time now, and has a
> considerable amount of money to put down. Anyways, he
> knows exactly what he wants but wants to avoid
> ordering from the factory, so he is willing to bend on
> a few things. What I would like to find out from the
> group since I'm new to the area is, who in the greater
> Pheonix area has the best deals or salesperson willing
> to work for his money. Any comments on the buying
> experience in the Pheonix scene would be appreciated.
> Thanks alot.
> FRZ
>
> __________________________________________________
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24884 From: Joey K <joey@j...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 6:10pm
Subject: RE: Buying a new jeep
When I get my next vehicle I am taking Joe for support!!! And give him a
percentage of what I save. ;-)
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@h...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:58 PM
> To: 'Frank and Amanda Zepeda'; 'AZ VJC'
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Buying a new jeep
>
>
> Here's what works at all local dealerships... but Earnhardt's
> sells the most
> Jeeps here in the state and probably has the most profit margin
> so it may be
> easier to squeeze a bit more out of them.
>
> The steps are:
>
> Get on the internet and RESEARCH the vehicle you want. Print out dealer
> cost (invoice) information as well as MSRP information which can be found
> on:
>
> http://www.kbb.com
>
> AND
>
> http://www.edmunds.com
>
>
> Go to both sites and print out everything you can concerning the
> vehicle you
> are interested in.
>
> Then... figure out what dealer cost is for the exact vehicle you want with
> the exact options you want and walk into the dealership of your
> choice with
> every piece of paperwork you printed, as well as a list of the vehicle and
> options you want.
>
> Place the stack of paperwork on Mr/Ms Salesperson's desk and say:
>
> "I'd like to purchase this vehicle with these options at invoice cost, can
> you do it, yes or no?"
> "If the answer is no, I don't want to haggle about it, I'm in a
> hurry and I
> don't want to waste your time, or my own time. I'll go to another
> dealership
> if you can't meet my price."
>
> Make sure that they see you have edmunds AND Kelly Blue Book
> pricing... make
> sure that they see stacks and stacks of research paperwork. Once
> they know
> you've done your homework, they will probably just meet your
> price to make a
> quick sale.
>
> Please note that dealerships still make a profit on even invoice pricing.
> If you'd like, you can set your price to less than invoice and mention the
> words "dealer holdback"... they will get the picture. If you pinch it too
> tight though, you'll just be wasting your time. I've had really good luck
> getting vehicles at invoice, and once, just once, I got one below invoice.
>
> Make sure you research the REBATES and INCENTIVES (they are different) and
> take whatever they are and deduct them from INVOICE pricing. If there are
> rebates and/or incentives on the vehicle you want; you can get them
> SIGNIFICANTLY lower than invoice cost.
>
> Good luck and do your homework.
>
>
> Joe West
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank and Amanda Zepeda [mailto:zepeda199@y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:25 PM
> > To: AZ VJC
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Buying a new jeep
> >
> >
> > I'm trying to find a good friend of mine a good deal
> > on a new jeep. He has always wanted a jeep and he has
> > been saving for quite some time now, and has a
> > considerable amount of money to put down. Anyways, he
> > knows exactly what he wants but wants to avoid
> > ordering from the factory, so he is willing to bend on
> > a few things. What I would like to find out from the
> > group since I'm new to the area is, who in the greater
> > Pheonix area has the best deals or salesperson willing
> > to work for his money. Any comments on the buying
> > experience in the Pheonix scene would be appreciated.
> > Thanks alot.
> > FRZ
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24885 From: <jeeperaz@q...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 6:17pm
Subject: Re: Buying a new jeep
I did the very thing Joe mentioned at Earnhardts. I paid exactly what
I wanted and was in and out of there in two hours (including test
drive time).
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...> wrote:
> Here's what works at all local dealerships... but Earnhardt's sells
the most
> Jeeps here in the state and probably has the most profit margin so
it may be
> easier to squeeze a bit more out of them.
>
> The steps are:
>
> Get on the internet and RESEARCH the vehicle you want. Print out
dealer
> cost (invoice) information as well as MSRP information which can be
found
> on:
>
> http://www.kbb.com
>
> AND
>
> http://www.edmunds.com
>
>
> Go to both sites and print out everything you can concerning the
vehicle you
> are interested in.
>
> Then... figure out what dealer cost is for the exact vehicle you
want with
> the exact options you want and walk into the dealership of your
choice with
> every piece of paperwork you printed, as well as a list of the
vehicle and
> options you want.
>
> Place the stack of paperwork on Mr/Ms Salesperson's desk and say:
>
> "I'd like to purchase this vehicle with these options at invoice
cost, can
> you do it, yes or no?"
> "If the answer is no, I don't want to haggle about it, I'm in a
hurry and I
> don't want to waste your time, or my own time. I'll go to another
dealership
> if you can't meet my price."
>
> Make sure that they see you have edmunds AND Kelly Blue Book
pricing... make
> sure that they see stacks and stacks of research paperwork. Once
they know
> you've done your homework, they will probably just meet your price
to make a
> quick sale.
>
> Please note that dealerships still make a profit on even invoice
pricing.
> If you'd like, you can set your price to less than invoice and
mention the
> words "dealer holdback"... they will get the picture. If you pinch
it too
> tight though, you'll just be wasting your time. I've had really
good luck
> getting vehicles at invoice, and once, just once, I got one below
invoice.
>
> Make sure you research the REBATES and INCENTIVES (they are
different) and
> take whatever they are and deduct them from INVOICE pricing. If
there are
> rebates and/or incentives on the vehicle you want; you can get them
> SIGNIFICANTLY lower than invoice cost.
>
> Good luck and do your homework.
>
>
> Joe West
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank and Amanda Zepeda [mailto:zepeda199@y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:25 PM
> > To: AZ VJC
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Buying a new jeep
> >
> >
> > I'm trying to find a good friend of mine a good deal
> > on a new jeep. He has always wanted a jeep and he has
> > been saving for quite some time now, and has a
> > considerable amount of money to put down. Anyways, he
> > knows exactly what he wants but wants to avoid
> > ordering from the factory, so he is willing to bend on
> > a few things. What I would like to find out from the
> > group since I'm new to the area is, who in the greater
> > Pheonix area has the best deals or salesperson willing
> > to work for his money. Any comments on the buying
> > experience in the Pheonix scene would be appreciated.
> > Thanks alot.
> > FRZ
> >
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24886 From: Eric Herring <herring@q...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 6:28pm
Subject: RE: Buying a new jeep
I have to agree. Back in 93 I went dealer to dealer getting them to beat
each others price. Earnhardt was the cheapest by quite a bit. I got a 94
Wrangler S with A/C for 10,300 out the door.
Also carsdirect.com & cars.com have good prices. Just print out a quote from
them & take it with you to the dealer.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@h...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:58 PM
To: 'Frank and Amanda Zepeda'; 'AZ VJC'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Buying a new jeep
Here's what works at all local dealerships... but Earnhardt's sells the most
Jeeps here in the state and probably has the most profit margin so it may be
easier to squeeze a bit more out of them.
The steps are:
Get on the internet and RESEARCH the vehicle you want. Print out dealer
cost (invoice) information as well as MSRP information which can be found
on:
http://www.kbb.com
AND
http://www.edmunds.com
Go to both sites and print out everything you can concerning the vehicle you
are interested in.
Then... figure out what dealer cost is for the exact vehicle you want with
the exact options you want and walk into the dealership of your choice with
every piece of paperwork you printed, as well as a list of the vehicle and
options you want.
Place the stack of paperwork on Mr/Ms Salesperson's desk and say:
"I'd like to purchase this vehicle with these options at invoice cost, can
you do it, yes or no?"
"If the answer is no, I don't want to haggle about it, I'm in a hurry and I
don't want to waste your time, or my own time. I'll go to another dealership
if you can't meet my price."
Make sure that they see you have edmunds AND Kelly Blue Book pricing... make
sure that they see stacks and stacks of research paperwork. Once they know
you've done your homework, they will probably just meet your price to make a
quick sale.
Please note that dealerships still make a profit on even invoice pricing.
If you'd like, you can set your price to less than invoice and mention the
words "dealer holdback"... they will get the picture. If you pinch it too
tight though, you'll just be wasting your time. I've had really good luck
getting vehicles at invoice, and once, just once, I got one below invoice.
Make sure you research the REBATES and INCENTIVES (they are different) and
take whatever they are and deduct them from INVOICE pricing. If there are
rebates and/or incentives on the vehicle you want; you can get them
SIGNIFICANTLY lower than invoice cost.
Good luck and do your homework.
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank and Amanda Zepeda [mailto:zepeda199@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:25 PM
> To: AZ VJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] Buying a new jeep
>
>
> I'm trying to find a good friend of mine a good deal
> on a new jeep. He has always wanted a jeep and he has
> been saving for quite some time now, and has a
> considerable amount of money to put down. Anyways, he
> knows exactly what he wants but wants to avoid
> ordering from the factory, so he is willing to bend on
> a few things. What I would like to find out from the
> group since I'm new to the area is, who in the greater
> Pheonix area has the best deals or salesperson willing
> to work for his money. Any comments on the buying
> experience in the Pheonix scene would be appreciated.
> Thanks alot.
> FRZ
>
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24887 From: <ALIRAL17@A...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 2:27pm
Subject: LOOKING FOR KEIRIVAN DAVISONS E-MAIL ADDRESS
JUST LOOKING FOR KEIRIVANS E-MAIL ADDRESS. THANKS.
BRANDON
24888 From: Garrison St.Clair <gunslinger@i...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 6:39pm
Subject: Re: Buying a new jeep
Adding to what Joe said:
The "holdback" on Jeeps is 3% of MSRP.
Consumer Incentives are listed on DC's website.
Dealer "cash back" can be found on various website. These payments change
frequently and vary by state/region.
The dealer will add to the "invoice" cost a charge DC makes for advertising.
In general, you should be able to buy at invoice LESS any consumer
incentives PLUS advertising.
A VERY IMPORTANT TIP: About a week before the end of the month go to all the
local dealers and find a Jeep that is ON the lot that you would be happy
with. Don't buy it. Go back on the very last day of the month and make
your offer. Every dealership reports monthly sales to DC; they often have
financial incentives to hit certain gross sales, model sales, etc. Every
salesman, and more importantly every sales manager works on commission and
additional incentives. On the last day of the month they will make deals
they would not otherwise consider. They very often will give up the "dealer
cash" on the last day.
BTW, don't let them take you for a ride on the financing. dealers make
large amounts of their profit from financing. Info on financing is also
available on the web. You will probably get a better rate, if you have good
credit, from your bank. And it goes without saying that you don't buy
insurance, undercoating, etc. from the dealer.
Hope this helps.
Gunslinger
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...>
To: "'Frank and Amanda Zepeda'" <zepeda199@y...>; "'AZ VJC'"
<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 05 June, 2001 19:58
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Buying a new jeep
> Here's what works at all local dealerships... but Earnhardt's sells the
most
> Jeeps here in the state and probably has the most profit margin so it may
be
> easier to squeeze a bit more out of them.
>
> The steps are:
>
> Get on the internet and RESEARCH the vehicle you want. Print out dealer
> cost (invoice) information as well as MSRP information which can be found
> on:
>
> http://www.kbb.com
>
> AND
>
> http://www.edmunds.com
>
>
> Go to both sites and print out everything you can concerning the vehicle
you
> are interested in.
>
> Then... figure out what dealer cost is for the exact vehicle you want with
> the exact options you want and walk into the dealership of your choice
with
> every piece of paperwork you printed, as well as a list of the vehicle and
> options you want.
>
> Place the stack of paperwork on Mr/Ms Salesperson's desk and say:
>
> "I'd like to purchase this vehicle with these options at invoice cost, can
> you do it, yes or no?"
> "If the answer is no, I don't want to haggle about it, I'm in a hurry and
I
> don't want to waste your time, or my own time. I'll go to another
dealership
> if you can't meet my price."
>
> Make sure that they see you have edmunds AND Kelly Blue Book pricing...
make
> sure that they see stacks and stacks of research paperwork. Once they
know
> you've done your homework, they will probably just meet your price to make
a
> quick sale.
>
> Please note that dealerships still make a profit on even invoice pricing.
> If you'd like, you can set your price to less than invoice and mention the
> words "dealer holdback"... they will get the picture. If you pinch it too
> tight though, you'll just be wasting your time. I've had really good luck
> getting vehicles at invoice, and once, just once, I got one below invoice.
>
> Make sure you research the REBATES and INCENTIVES (they are different) and
> take whatever they are and deduct them from INVOICE pricing. If there are
> rebates and/or incentives on the vehicle you want; you can get them
> SIGNIFICANTLY lower than invoice cost.
>
> Good luck and do your homework.
>
>
> Joe West
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank and Amanda Zepeda [mailto:zepeda199@y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:25 PM
> > To: AZ VJC
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Buying a new jeep
> >
> >
> > I'm trying to find a good friend of mine a good deal
> > on a new jeep. He has always wanted a jeep and he has
> > been saving for quite some time now, and has a
> > considerable amount of money to put down. Anyways, he
> > knows exactly what he wants but wants to avoid
> > ordering from the factory, so he is willing to bend on
> > a few things. What I would like to find out from the
> > group since I'm new to the area is, who in the greater
> > Pheonix area has the best deals or salesperson willing
> > to work for his money. Any comments on the buying
> > experience in the Pheonix scene would be appreciated.
> > Thanks alot.
> > FRZ
24889 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 7:29pm
Subject: RE: Roll Bar padding
To spin off an old quote from Henry Ford...."You can have any color you want
as long as it is black". 4 Wheelers Supply carrys roll bar padding in
black. It would contrast nicely with your red. ;)
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: sharxjeep@c... [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:28 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Roll Bar padding
Does anyone know where I can get the colored foam roll bar
padding...anything I use that has material to it is fading in a month.
thanks
Sharky
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24890 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 7:42pm
Subject: Re: Roll Bar padding
4 Wheeler Supply has padding, though I'm not sure of the color selection.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: <sharxjeep@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:27 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Roll Bar padding
> Does anyone know where I can get the colored foam roll bar
> padding...anything I use that has material to it is fading in a month.
>
> thanks
> Sharky
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
24891 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 3:41pm
Subject: "FS" TJ Hard Top for sale
My Father is selling his 98 TJ Hardtop. He is asking 1000.00 OBO
* Is the darker Tan color/or Spice color
* Tinted windows
* New rear wiper blade assembly
* Has the defrost rear window option.
* Is in good condtion, very little wear and tear. No dings or dents. (His
son is all
grown up and his own 4x4s to trash)
My dad lives in Chandler if you would like to take a look at it
You can reply to email or call me at the shop 480-557-7577
Thanks John K
24892 From: Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 7:45pm
Subject: RAW DEAL WED NITE???
I want to run RAW-DEAL tomorrow night , a friend of mine is in town from
VA, and I want to get him hooked on JEEPIN.... (He's moving to AZ in
Aug.01) Anyone want to go? Around 7:30-8:00... How 'bout Upper R-D
Backwards???
Russ 623-465-2939
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24893 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 8:44pm
Subject: Re: Buying a new jeep
Do reaserch on MSN Carpoint and find out what the MSRP is for the Jeep he
wants. Go to each dealer with the sheet, and see how close each one gets.
Tell them you are going to shop around for the best price, and make them
give you a quote in writing! I had a great experiance with Earnhardts,
many others hate them, but they do have the biggest and prob the best
selection in town. With their big selection, you will get a price that
you are looking for. The other dealer on the east side is Darners.
Good Luck!
--- Frank and Amanda Zepeda <zepeda199@y...> wrote:
> I'm trying to find a good friend of mine a good deal
> on a new jeep. He has always wanted a jeep and he has
> been saving for quite some time now, and has a
> considerable amount of money to put down. Anyways, he
> knows exactly what he wants but wants to avoid
> ordering from the factory, so he is willing to bend on
> a few things. What I would like to find out from the
> group since I'm new to the area is, who in the greater
> Pheonix area has the best deals or salesperson willing
> to work for his money. Any comments on the buying
> experience in the Pheonix scene would be appreciated.
> Thanks alot.
> FRZ
>
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24894 From: Gary MacLaren <gmaclaren@c...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 8:50pm
Subject: Dealing with the Dealers Service Department - an ORC FAQ.htm
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dealing with the Service Department
A primer on getting your vehicle fixed under warrantee
By Jack Longmont
What do you do when you've brought your new 4x4 in for service and you're told "it can't be fixed, they all do that, we can't find anything wrong with it..."?
A common problem with a simple answer-be persistent!
Here's a little background. I have been involved in the automobile business for 7 years as a salesperson and inventory manager. I can tell you quite a bit about how to deal with a recalcitrant service writer and get yourself some satisfaction!
The first thing to remember is that the service writer has the hardest job in the dealership. Everyone wants their car fixed now, everyone wants their vehicle to have priority. The service writer performs a delicate balancing act trying to keep everyone happy and also trying to productively schedule his mechanics for the whole day and week. Unfortunately many of them do this badly. That said, of course as a customer you only care about your vehicle and getting it fixed in a timely manner, and fixed correctly the first time. There are right and wrong ways to go about this.
The best example is a customer of mine, let's just call her Erin, who bought a Jeep Grand Cherokee V8 from me. She lived a long way away from the dealership, up in the mountains and had a long drive to and from work every day. Erin and her husband noticed the transmission was acting funny and brought it in for examination. This was a well-to-do couple who have owned a number of luxury cars, Audis, Porsches, Saabs and some Jeeps. They knew what they were talking about when they said their car had a transmission problem. The service department, as always seems to be the case, couldn't replicate the problem and told them their was nothing wrong.
A week later they were back, stating very matter-of-factly that there was a problem with their transmission and they wanted it fixed. Again, no problem found. Again, they brought it back. This happened several times. Needless to say they were upset at the time they had to spend trying to get the problem fixed and still no resolution. Sound familiar? They of course came to me, their salesman, and here's what I told them to do.
The rules vary somewhat by state but generally read that after a certain number of repeat visits for the same problem, whether it's been replicated or not, a customer has some recourse.
If it is determined that the vehicle cannot be fixed, you can, under most state Lemon Laws either: a) Get your money refunded, less a certain amount of use that you have had before the problem, or b) Get a new vehicle. The procedure is usually a long hard haul, but you'll get there.
Every manufacturer has a customer service department. The contact number will be in your owners manual, probably in the back. Call the number. Keep documentation of your service visits so you can prove your case. The manufacturer will send a representative to the dealership regularly to deal with service and warranty problems. An appointment will be made for you to come in and see this person and have them look at your vehicle. If you've been having a serious problem with a particular dealership, sometimes they will meet you at another dealership, "neutral ground" so to speak. This usually gets the vehicle fixed, but not always. The key is persistence . The squeaky wheel gets the grease you know.
My customer Erin went through this process, and got a new transmission, with an admission from the District Rep (this is what Chrysler calls him anyway) that there was a known transmission problem This is known as a "silent recall", where the manufacturer is aware of a problem, but there either are not enough people complaining or they've managed to keep it quiet. The only way to get service under a "silent recall" is to complain, loudly, until you are satisfied.
The new transmission was not the end of Erin's problems. The Jeep started acting up again, same problem, with the new tranny. This time, the District Rep offered them a $2,000 voucher to trade in their not-quite 1 year old vehicle on a new one. The 2 G's was to soften the blow of depreciation that their vehicle had suffered during that time to make the problem go away. And they did buy a new one, a Limited model this time, that they are happy with. Interestingly enough, the dealer sold the trade-in to someone else who, to my knowledge, has never complained about the transmission.
What should you do? If your vehicle is not being repaired to your satisfaction, your first step should be to talk to the service manager. This is the "boss" of the service department and sometimes once you speak to him your problems are over. The next step is to see the General Manager or even the owner, the Dealer himself. Chrysler actually spells this procedure out in their warranty literature that comes with every new vehicle. If the GM or the owner don't deal with your problem satisfactorily, then you contact the manufacturer. There will be a local office from which someone will be dispatched to help you. Probably they will want you to call the 800 number and not contact the local office directly. If you can find out the local number, from your salesman probably, I would call that and the 800 number. Once the manufacturer is involved, your problem should go away - quickly.
It's disappointing when your new vehicle starts acting up, and even more so when you feel you are being ignored or just not being treated fairly by the service department. Every manufacturer has programs in place to deal with these sorts of problems, and every dealer is rated for their C.S.I., or Customer Satisfaction Index. Surveys are sent to you when you buy a new vehicle and every time you service it. Fill them out and send 'em back. It's the only way to let the manufacturer know the good dealers form the bad, and it does matter to the dealership, believe me. High scores mean more allocation and bonus money and the dealer wants that money.
You can get satisfaction with a nagging service problem. It might be a long haul, but eventually it will be fixed, your money will be refunded or you'll get a new vehicle. Be persistent. Don't back down. Let them know you won't be dissuaded. And good luck!
[ Click Here for a list of corporate service contacts ]
PJ (Jack) Longmont, Colorado
No Longer a Jeep Salesman,
But I play one on the Web!
http://www.cris.com/~pjacke
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24895 From: Leah & Geoff <leahlsq@q...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 9:13pm
Subject: Re: Tucson OHV Park to Open end of month
I was just out there tonight.
I had some fun too!
I made it all the way through the mud bog!!
(it didn't have any water yet ;-) )
I was the first one on the desert trail.
I have not read the article yet but,
If the Tucson Rough Riders don't get some more
help we are going to loose it by the end of this month!!!!
No one else is helping the with planning, making suggestions or
working out there. I know there is six miles of fencing
that needs to be done before it opens.
The same five fourwheelers seem work on everything in this town
and the rest just sit back and let them do it.
I hope you all get to enjoy it.
Leah 94YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: JEEP THANG <jeep_thang@h...>
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 12:24 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Tucson OHV Park to Open end of month
>For all who did not know, the Pima County OHV Park will be opening
>at the end of this month. Got Check it out.
>
>http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/local/
>
>ANd read all about it.
>
>WoooHooo
>
>Sincerely: JEEP THANG
>
>
>
>
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24896 From: <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 10:05pm
Subject: First trip
I would like to go jeepin' this weekend, and since I haven't been
on a AZVJC trip yet, I was hoping that someone would be leading
something pretty fun. If anyone is going anywhere (that leaves it
fairly open...) this weekend please let me know. I have 31s and a
new rear locker that needs some lovin'! I have done a lot of jeepin'
in Colorado, and I've done Crown King too many times, Bartlett Lake,
and the like. I am looking for something a bit more challenging, but
I don't know where to go.
Email me at jeepindog@h... or give me a call at
602.705.6984 and give me the word.
Thanks,
Lachlan '98 TJ
o|||||o
24897 From: Joey K <joey@j...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 10:42pm
Subject: RE: First trip
There are two runs this weekend posted. Sycamore Creek and Gila Monster in
White Tanks. You might find Gila Monster a good test for that new locker.
Joey K.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 10:06 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] First trip
>
>
> I would like to go jeepin' this weekend, and since I haven't been
> on a AZVJC trip yet, I was hoping that someone would be leading
> something pretty fun. If anyone is going anywhere (that leaves it
> fairly open...) this weekend please let me know. I have 31s and a
> new rear locker that needs some lovin'! I have done a lot of jeepin'
> in Colorado, and I've done Crown King too many times, Bartlett Lake,
> and the like. I am looking for something a bit more challenging, but
> I don't know where to go.
>
> Email me at jeepindog@h... or give me a call at
> 602.705.6984 and give me the word.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lachlan '98 TJ
>
> o|||||o
>
>
>
>
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>
>
24898 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 11:26pm
Subject: Re: Who's Jeep is This?
No way, build a hood and fenders out of .250 wall tube, add
sheetmetal for a hood and fender tops. Ditch the windsheild
completely and buy motorcycle goggles!!! = )
Chris M
> It can be saved. A new windshield frame & a fiberglass front end &
it'll be
> good as new.
>
> Or at least good enough to rock crawl.
>
> Eric Herring 92XJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joey K [mailto:joey@j...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 4:26 PM
> To: Brent Lizakowski; az_vjc@y...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Who's Jeep is This?
>
>
> Please let's all observe a moment of silence for our fallen Jeep.
> May all the donor recipients carry on this Jeeps legacy.
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ waitin' for new shoes
> www.desertjeep.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brent Lizakowski [mailto:brent_lizakowski@h...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 2:58 PM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Who's Jeep is This?
> >
> >
> > Who's Jeep is this?
> >
> > http://copartfinder.com/pix/20001127/07044200_4X.jpg
> >
> > Looks like an AZVJC sticker on the side.
> >
> > What happened?
> >
> > Hope everyone is OK.
> >
> > Brent
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
>
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24899 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 11:36pm
Subject: Re: First trip
RAW DEAL!!! I did this run at like 2 am after the Terminator clean-
up. My jeep had 31's and a locker, with stock suspension, and with
some good spotting I made it.
Chris M
87 YJ
"When in doubt, throttle out."
--- In az_vjc@y..., jeepindog@y... wrote:
> I would like to go jeepin' this weekend, and since I haven't
been
> on a AZVJC trip yet, I was hoping that someone would be leading
> something pretty fun. If anyone is going anywhere (that leaves it
> fairly open...) this weekend please let me know. I have 31s and a
> new rear locker that needs some lovin'! I have done a lot of
jeepin'
> in Colorado, and I've done Crown King too many times, Bartlett
Lake,
> and the like. I am looking for something a bit more challenging,
but
> I don't know where to go.
>
> Email me at jeepindog@h... or give me a call at
> 602.705.6984 and give me the word.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lachlan '98 TJ
>
> o|||||o
24900 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 11:43pm
Subject: Spare tranny parts/d44 front questions
Where can I buy spare synchronizers and bearing/seal kits? I think
these items would be good to keep on hand for an NP435 ford tranny.
Also, is the Ford D35 hub assembly compatible with a waggy d44 front
axle? I need to keep the 5 on 4.5 bolt pattern, and I thought d30
knuckels and hubs worked on d44 axles, I was wondering if d35
knuckles and hubs matched as well. Also, is the width of a waggy d44
front is comparable to an explorer 8.8 rear axle. Hope someone knows
this!
Chris M
87 YJ turd brown w/stuff
24901 From: Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...>
Date: Wed Jun 6, 2001 5:58am
Subject: Re: Buying a new jeep
Dont forget to get your loan from YOUR bank or credit union. That way
you avoid their 'other' games!!!! The dealers biggest profit center is
financing.
Russ
Joe W wrote:
>
> Here's what works at all local dealerships... but Earnhardt's sells the most
> Jeeps here in the state and probably has the most profit margin so it may be
> easier to squeeze a bit more out of them.
>
> The steps are:
>
> Get on the internet and RESEARCH the vehicle you want. Print out dealer
> cost (invoice) information as well as MSRP information which can be found
> on:
>
> http://www.kbb.com
>
> AND
>
> http://www.edmunds.com
>
> Go to both sites and print out everything you can concerning the vehicle you
> are interested in.
>
> Then... figure out what dealer cost is for the exact vehicle you want with
> the exact options you want and walk into the dealership of your choice with
> every piece of paperwork you printed, as well as a list of the vehicle and
> options you want.
>
> Place the stack of paperwork on Mr/Ms Salesperson's desk and say:
>
> "I'd like to purchase this vehicle with these options at invoice cost, can
> you do it, yes or no?"
> "If the answer is no, I don't want to haggle about it, I'm in a hurry and I
> don't want to waste your time, or my own time. I'll go to another dealership
> if you can't meet my price."
>
> Make sure that they see you have edmunds AND Kelly Blue Book pricing... make
> sure that they see stacks and stacks of research paperwork. Once they know
> you've done your homework, they will probably just meet your price to make a
> quick sale.
>
> Please note that dealerships still make a profit on even invoice pricing.
> If you'd like, you can set your price to less than invoice and mention the
> words "dealer holdback"... they will get the picture. If you pinch it too
> tight though, you'll just be wasting your time. I've had really good luck
> getting vehicles at invoice, and once, just once, I got one below invoice.
>
> Make sure you research the REBATES and INCENTIVES (they are different) and
> take whatever they are and deduct them from INVOICE pricing. If there are
> rebates and/or incentives on the vehicle you want; you can get them
> SIGNIFICANTLY lower than invoice cost.
>
> Good luck and do your homework.
>
> Joe West
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank and Amanda Zepeda [mailto:zepeda199@y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:25 PM
> > To: AZ VJC
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Buying a new jeep
> >
> >
> > I'm trying to find a good friend of mine a good deal
> > on a new jeep. He has always wanted a jeep and he has
> > been saving for quite some time now, and has a
> > considerable amount of money to put down. Anyways, he
> > knows exactly what he wants but wants to avoid
> > ordering from the factory, so he is willing to bend on
> > a few things. What I would like to find out from the
> > group since I'm new to the area is, who in the greater
> > Pheonix area has the best deals or salesperson willing
> > to work for his money. Any comments on the buying
> > experience in the Pheonix scene would be appreciated.
> > Thanks alot.
> > FRZ
> >
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24902 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Jun 6, 2001 7:28am
Subject: Tire softness/stickyness chart
A while back somebody posted a tire chart that showed stickyness. Can
whoever posted this chart post it in the "Database" section for
reference?
Thanks,
--James
24903 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Wed Jun 6, 2001 7:52am
Subject: Re: Buying a new jeep
Mike Baney wrote:
> Do reaserch on MSN Carpoint and find out what the MSRP is for the Jeep he
> wants. Go to each dealer with the sheet, and see how close each one gets.
I haven't found a dealer yet that wasn't willing to sell nearly ANY car
below MSRP. In general, you should be able to get Invoice ~to~ Invoice +
1-2% at MOST. NEVER pay MSRP.